What an absolutely strange correlation , ADHD and psychopathy! I know I have ADHD but I also know I do not have Anti-Social Personality Disorder since the guilt I feel for doing wrong can be overwhelming! Not t to mention there are people in my life I genuinely care about.
You mentioned something interesting. I might be crazy but I think Sociopathy is a state the mind is in. And Psycopathy is being born like that. Because I relate to a lot of things people say but I can't relate to everything. Due to a slightly or really rough childhood I had to shut off emotion. (It's why I can't tell you whether it was really bad or just so so bad) just like a psychopath and a sociopath. But with practice you can turn it back on. Tell me if you've also noticed times where you are able to completely handle a situation where normal people would cry. See I have a sneaking suspicion that it isn't all bad. But ofc the only ones who need help are the worse ones. So why would we ever hear about semi healthy individuals who are living their life with maybe a chip on the shoulder or maybe more.
I have ADHD, OCD, Avoidant Personality Disorder, and PTSD... I freaking hate it. There have been times in my life that I could of slipped into Anti-social Personality Disorder... (and stayed there)... I remember it clearly at age 6 and the again at age 12 but I made the choice not to go there (I don't know how to explain it... there was situations that happened that at those ages that almost pushed me over the edge and I clearly remember making the choice to stay connected to myself.
My hypothesis is that the imbalances of attention that occur during an ADHDer's formative years is what makes us prone to missing out on learning experiences, hence garnering deficiencies leading to co-morbid or secondary disorders.
My ex husband was diagnosed with ADHD at a young age. He went on in his teenage years doing hard drugs and alcohol and going to jail a lot. By 18 he stopped all of it but man! The stories he had!! We were married for 8 years and I thought it seemed alright but I was ignored and uncared about. His needs and wants were always the priority and he was unmoved/didn’t care about me. After many attempts and warnings, I told him I am leaving. I never expected the way he turned on me. He became incredibly manipulative, and started to use force I never thought he would use on me. And said I was ridiculous when I told him I was afraid of him. After moving out, things got worse and so much more scary. I didn’t recognize the person he was. I am pretty sure this isn’t just ADHD, but it progressed to ASPD. It’s sad but good that the symptoms tend to go away in the 40’s. We almost made it. But I couldn’t handle anymore loneliness and the lack of companionship in a marriage with issues that were always neglected.
When you are Neurodivergent, Neurotypical people for the most part spit you out use and abuse you. So. it's just less wear and tair to keep to yourself. We suffer long term trauma. If you break your leg, you don't go running around on it. You get the bone set, a cast on and rest it. Imagine getting your leg broken every day and everyone taking a wack at it when you go out. It makes sense to stay away from the people who are taking shots at your leg. If that mean you have to be anti social so be it. It doesn't mean you have a disorder. The problem is the people taking shots at your leg. Society has a bad Victim Blaiming habit when it comes to Mental Health.
Since ADHD is a executive function disorder (speaks before think, reacts one emotion at a time instinctively), other personality disorders may appear as a protective learned behaviour regarding the environmental issues such as bad parenting, poor income, or no finantial problema but bad pareting, school issues. I'm just saying what i got from Dr. Russel Barkley's lectures. For instance, a child with ADHD and the worse verbal parenting may learn instinctively that a fews lies may bring him protection from bad parenting sometimes. This may pass to social behaviour. What are your words on this Dr. Todd Grande ?
This is very interesting. I have ADHD but I’m definitely not a psychopath. When I do something wrong(mainly stealing, lying, and putting strains on relationships) I’ll feel bad about it, but I usually don’t regret it as long as it doesn’t negatively impact me.
ADHD is a sign of huge empathy. If you're seeing otherwise, comorbidities at work. Ppl get bored at school because young humans aren't designed to sit through repetitive indoctrination day after day for hours. They're meant to be outside.
I think the reason a good majority of adhd individuals tend to have personality disorders is when they are children and lack self control the authority figures don’t handle it well. Edit: you mentioned this in the video after I commented. Lol
FYI the Dutch government department of Justice produced a really interesting science & policy paper around 2006 on this. Ultimately recommending screening for the development of ASPD in children with ADHD and children with parents with risk factors.
My young adult stepson has clear signs of ADHD and shows signs of antisocial/sociopathic or narcissistic tendencies. In his case, good parenting from his mother and family has kept him in line, but I think the early childhood trauma of an abusive father and the sudden abandonment of said father at boy's age seven resulted in his survival mentality and extreme problematic lack of empathy and being able to understand the affect of others.
i can’t tell people in my school that i have adhd, because they’ll either respond with “oh, so that’s what’s wrong with you” or “are you going to murder me?” i’ve lost a lot of friends because i told them i have adhd.
Not an expert, but it seems a lot of top artists, entrepreneurs and scientists seem to fall quite a bit above average on the attention deficit spectrum like Richard Feynman, Steve Jobs, and many more... perhaps even everyone's favorite Jordan Peterson... I think sometimes the positives of ADHD can be overlooked and it's unfortunately been heavily stigmatized.
Gabor Mate has ADD, and has written on it. I want to read his book. I have never seen anyone so clearly un-ADD-like and yet have the disorder. You're right about unfair stigma, but, consider a lot of it could be rooted in these other comorbid conditions that are not adhd, and are relatively uncommon. By the way, I have heard that Steve Jobs was pretty narcissistic. Brilliant as he was.
ADHD can look very different in ppl .. It's more to do with executive functioning. A person with with ADHD could either be a criminal or they could represent the very epitome of humanity. Ppl with ADHD are often very good in emergency services and usually sensitive, empathic ppl, often they show their heart on their sleeve.. in the very least many are down to earth as pretty much headless chooks in everyday life at least, if you can't laugh you just get depressed.. Anxiety is also very common with ADHD and Idk about ASPD exactly but I don't think anxiety is something that Psychopaths get. Imo many ppl with ADHD might be under diagnosed in terms of BPD though...Tbh I wonder if Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria really needs to be a 'thing' as imo it's a natural way to feel given how little is understood about ADHD. Emotions can be dysregulated with ADHD though and medication really does help provided it's done right for right person. Emotionally, ppl with ADHD are supposed to be behind in emotional maturity but up until a point.. and then I think it's possibly BPD or something else if they seem to stay the same their whole lives and never grow in emotional intelligence etc. I don't think Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria is supposed to make you devious either.
ADHD is obviously complex. Not everyone expresses it the same. I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, and depression. I’m just wired differently than others and I’m okay with that. I’m not antisocial, I just find more peace in nature and animals. I tend not to gravitate towards large crowds, social groups, or stages. I’m a bit shy and a total goofball when it comes to initiating a conversation. But if you come up to me and start talking, I will actually enjoy it. Just my personal input. Great video ✌🏻
@J M there are ADHD who are psychopaths/ASPD, and there are ADHD who are highly sensitive and empathic, and they do suffer a lot of anxiety. Even sociopaths feel anxiety on some level, very short ones but they do. Psychopathic brains are very sensitive to dopamine, their brain releases much more dopamine than the average healthy brain. That's why they crave so many things and they always "on the go", always busy and have stuff to do, everything can be exciting to them. ADHD brain that is not psychopathic have a decrease of dopamine activity in the brain, that even when they do things that stimulates them it's still not enough for their brain, the brain have a problem with collecting the dopamine and keep it there. Psychopaths are very sensitive to dopamine meaning they can get a rush from many things compared to other type of ADHD. If you don't feel anxiety with ADHD, you're likely a psychopath.
@J M The reason a ADHD person might engage in risk taking is to upstart the regulation systems that lack dopamine. We are also impulsive. But it really has nothing to do with empathy or ASPD. ADHD can cause problems with emotional regulation (all part of that regulation system). It often comes off as sub-clinical ODD however.
My husband is psychopathic and has ADHD. He keeps his psychopathy in check because he doesnt want to lose what he has (his company). His aggression is expressed in impulsivity, grandiosity, manipulation, addictions and verbal abuse. He did much better on Vyvanse however he refuses to take his meds now and his behaviours mentioned above have gotten bad. He did grow up with a father who showed no emotion, was verbally abusive to his mother and neglectful. His father was always in content. His mother and many of her family members have ADHD and dyslexia. She and my husband are hyperactive. Unlike my husband, she cannot process regular information well, like following a GPS. She always gets lost. She also thought stealing and disregard for authority as funny. My husband does not understand how to be nice. He has no filter and it takes him immense energy ro understand how to be nice when I am explaining it to him. He just doesn't get it. He doesn't understand why verbally jabbing people is inappropriate. He lacks empathy. He however had an experience as a child where his pet rabbit's cage door slammed down on the rabbits head and chopped it off. This could have gone both ways. He could have not been disgusted and instead intrigued, but thankfully was grossed out beyond belief that he threw up. As much as I didn't want the rabbit to die, I'm thankful that this event happened to keep him away from morbid stuff with his psycopathy. He can't eat meat very well so there is some empathy there. He just had an unsafe upbringing where he felt that the world wasn't a safe place. His family lacked loved and never expressed it. He would have to cry by himself as a baby and if he did something wrong his was punished with a belt and wooden spoon. Not all psychopaths can kill. Lots are white collar psychopaths that manipulate in business and that's what he does. Him and his mother both agree that you have to take things in life and that life isn't fair. These thoughts create a world where you become predatorial and in survival mode, avoiding the social norms of society. This is how they think. They have distorted thoughts of the world, coupled with ADHD, lack of emotional expression and environmental upbringing issues. The neurological and environmental combination have created a perfect storm for my husband to become (white collar) psychopathic.
We can't pay attention to everything. If truth and authenticity are the main drivers for someone, that won't always be equally paired with compassion. We all have something to bring to the table.
I'm cringing as I listen to this video and peruse the comments. This correlation is akin to comparing someone with heart failure to someone with antisocial personality disorder; because they too experience depression and mood swings. People with ADHD are born with it. It is not a character flaw, rather more of a learning disability/ difference. Many of the comorbidities mentioned here develop as a result of hopelessness and frustration from enduring years of ignorant care takers and educators. I am surprised and disappointed that Dr. Grande is carelessly perpetuating painful and damaging misinformation about ADHD.
I have adhd and I am confused about my emotions, I feel anhedonia, a need for strong emotions, I feel remorse but I also feel a need to manipulate or disrupt other peoples emotions for fun, to feel excitement. I love to be polemic, I like to hurt people a bit (disrupt their emotions) but also to make people feel good, like to destroy and rebuild. Without my adderall I am violent and prone to engage in fights, I just started to feel attachment about 2 years ago when I turned 40. But I dont understand my emotions, I really dont care about people unless they are in my very close vicinity like my wife but I really have the want to feel nirmal emotions, but I feel remorse of what I have done but not for too long. I dont know, whatever
What do you think about Sam Vaknin's view on NPD / ASPD being post traumatic conditions and could this be a retrospective link to ADHD also? I know anecdotally at least that many ADHD children are hardly inconspicuous and tend to draw more abuse from peers and authority figures than their better behaved or organised peers.
I have ADHD but I've always been bothered by a lack of emotion that's sometimes in me. (And my sadness and depression are completely hidden from my sight as well as anyone else) and here's how I understand this confusion. Since my life has been pretty shitty pretty often, my brain started to think "well hold one we can't have this much sadness and depression or else this boy will literally die." And slowly turned me partly into a callous machine. So yes I can completely see it being PTSD related. But it's not so much of an issue because now I can deal with these issues like their nothing and that's useful when everyone else is going crazy. (Admittedly though I am still trouble by my lack of sadness. It's a defense mechanism in a ways.)
Dr. Grande, do you have an idea of the following disorders combined and, perhaps, a generalized plan of action? ADHD, PTSD, MDD since childhood and avoidant behavior disorder. This has become progressively worsened, especially AVD, with aging, almost to the point of isolation. I'll leave it here and will check back to see if this is worth an answer. Thank you.
ASPD may decline in the 40's simply due to wisdom. Ik I think a lot like a sociopath but I've also realized the importance of human emotion and being genuine. I also know that lying (the tool that's associated with these disorders) is infact a terrible tool. It takes so much work to lie effectively. Don't get me wrong it's easy for me. But that's exhausting. You can't keep it up forever. But I guess this all came because I also learned to humble myself as much as I could (also a sociopathic trait...) I still believe I'm the bee's knees. And that's because I am. But I also know that despite all of my pros I'm sti just the same as everyone else. Just like people can grow out of ADHD in adulthood but learning how to hide the symptoms I believe there's a possibility for the same to be done with ASPD.
Interesting stuff. I have also read links between ADHD and ASD, which made a lot of sense. And of course, ASD and ASPD have also said to have some similar pathology, but etiologically that is harder for me to digest. The point is, when we look at spectrum "stuff" (whether ODD or CD or ASD, not saying ODD and CD are classified as being spectrum stuff) in relation to other psychological phenomenon, it is easy to see overlaps. I am far more interested in etiology, because patterns (if not taken into extreme consideration) can and will muddy the clinical water until you have comorbidities out the wazzu. As always, great stuff.
Interesting video, but mentioning that ADHD and ASPD are correlated and one may predict the other doesn't tell us much about the relationship between them. I know that there was a recent systematic review/meta-analysis on brain abnormalities in ASPD in the journal Molecular Psychiatry. It would be interesting if you could take a systematic review/meta-analysis of ADHD and one of ASPD and discuss the similarities/differences in brain structure between these disorders. That discussion would be more fitting for the title of this video.
Excellent question...I tried researching myself, but it's really confusing for one without the neurology, biochemistry background. We need someone like Doctor Grande to help explain what the newer imaging studies can show.
I was recently diagnosed and treated for ADHD, things have become much more clear and looking back I now see that I pretty much had displayed or masked all ADHD symptoms. I'm 40. I need to know why all my family are boomers who all act infantile and deny their responsibility for negative outcomes and do not accept their children's individuality. They either talk way too much, never talk, aggressive, no remorse, believe whatever their preferred 'news source' tells them. Any decisions are made in blazingly quick time, like no actual thought has occurred they just become enraged and then feel like that means they're correct.
I am autistic with ADHD. I also suspect I have BPD AND AVPD, but these are undiagnosed currently and I also feel this is a result of undiagnosed autism & adhd. I picked up the ADHD and ASPD link recently after consecutively meeting undiagnosed adults who went for a significant period of their lives undiagnosed for ADHD who now display ASPD. As an autistic, how i identify these people is that it feels like you are talking to a hypnotherapist or salesman and the gaslighting is constant, its every sentence out of their mouth. They are not very good at keeping track of their lies, thanks to the ADHD. My own findings: Undiagnosed/ unsupported ADHD + significant childhood trauma = ASPD. Undiagnosed/ unsupported Autism + ADHD + constantly being gaslit and invalidated by caregivers (autism is its own language and neurotype, you are constantly accused of using language with secret meaning and subtext that you have not and cannot use which does the same thing to the brain as an abuse victim who is gaslit and invalidated constantly) = BPD.
Interestingly, there's increasing evidence that ADHD has common genetic roots with autism, bi polar and schizophrenia. If you have one, you're more likely to have another too, and it's also known that Antisocial personality disorder is more common in people with schizophrenia. My guess is that in years to come, we'll have an understanding that Antisocial personality disorder isn't actually a personality disorder at all - it's largely a separate genetic condition with similar genetic roots to ADHD, schizophrenia etc. it would explain why some people with ADHD have what we now call antisocial personality disorder, and some don't. It seems likely they have the same roots, if you have one you're more likely to have the other, but they are still only comorbid in some people depending on the precise genetics they inherited and their upbringing.
Hi, Dr G, I have 2 questions: 1. Is conduct disorder/ODD a condition limited to children? 2. Do any of the other Cluster B personality disorders have as strong a link to psychopathy as APD does?
Idk about in America but in Australia Hyperactive, combined and inattentive are all under "ADHD" now as even if you appear inattentive you're often hyper in the mind.. however some ppl with ADHD can also be slow on cognitive processing so I'm not sure how that works but I tested as fast in cognitive testing (however terrible working memory) but often I can appear slow on the outside because of other mental happenings that get in the way plus sensory overload... expectations... anxiety... picturing too many options... self esteem. Ppl with slow processing you might think would have lower intellect (unless they really do plus added learning disorders) but at least some are very intelligent, I'm envious of them in a way as I imagine much of the time they'd appear calmer and probably more likely to be precise...I imagine they'd be more concise but I haven't spoken to anybody who's been diagnosed who has slow processing
Interesting? Can you do a video about the MMPI test? And explain results, what this test reveals, the validity? My ex took this and he scored, per him in having traits in ASPD, NPD and BPD. The psychiatrist said he has childhood PTSD, ADD/ADHD, depression also. Thanks
Can you give a lesson on Testosterone and it's affects on ADHD/Anti-social personality disorder, etc. because it seems the majority of these disorders are on the male side, a lot of it manifesting itself seems to increase at 13-14-15. I remember my studies and one point of view being that when those diagnosed with these disorders often slow down in their later years, 40-50... could that be because of the level of testosterone decreasing? Could there be a more physical approach to this if it were true, and then what could science tell us. Although, my son was hyperactive from at least 3-4 yrs old.
I just read a study that theorized if child abuse was present then it was never adhd, it was conduct disorder by trauma if it continues into adulthood you have bpd/aspd or several combinations that may end up coexisting. You should see my ex wife she would probably set a record for comorbid disorders and sadly most likely would be a completely different person if not for her abusive mother.
Another factor ASPD isn't diagnosed until 18 might be because too many teenage boys would qualify, yet these same individuals by 30 are often law-abiding, docile and domesticated. I had three (other beside myself) childhood friends who were absolutely batsh*t out of control insane ADHD-hyperactive trouble makers with the law, the neighbours, the girls and the schools. One is now a police CHIEF. One is a transit-cop. One is in prison doing six years for defrauding the elderly. I just wrote and deleted 100 lines about the last one, no use boring you all but I'll add.. I grew up with him.. I know him inside out...a nice guy... he just happens to also be criminally #@$*& insane!!!! I would say he's at least got ADHD combined. We were both hyperactive and in trouble in school but he would copy from my homework, not vice-versa. His family is mother dominant father quiet and reserved, good people, hard working. His only brother, younger, a stand-up moral regular guy. Nobody can explain it though all have wondered aloud.
I have ADHD and ODD, and I found this topic very interesting! Thank you very much Doc! I also show some CD-like behaviours, but I don't know whether that is due to my ODD, or I actually have Conduct Disorder! I will see the results in my psych evaluation soon, but guess we'll have to see.
The ADHD rate for adults and children is virtually the same. The difference in the numbers, 2.5% for adults and 5%, lies different diagnosis incentives for the respective groups. For example, (free) adults don‘t have to attend compulsory schooling and nobody can make them go to a doctor.
Interesting lit.review synopsis. I wonder about the nuanced overlap of behaviors one displays whether zie suffers from Anti-social Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder. It would be interesting to read a comparative analysis of one's experiences of these psychological afflictions in conjunction with valid quantitative measures. It would be interesting to see credible qualitative studies which capture participants' experiences of such which are written in a manner which imbibes readers with a sense of vicarious empathy which complements established "hard science." Sometimes,I watch your videos, and I think so hard....like some smoke comes out of my ears. Thanks so much. I wouldn't have subscribed...but your videos got me through advanced stats with an A minus. Always a slice of empirical, psychological heaven.
I have ADHD (inattentive and hyperactive/impulsive) and my father has ASPD (felon). I had CD as a child (psychologist called into the school after I flooded the girls locker room and slapped another kid across the face amongst many other things). The PG mentionable things I can say I did… hid the teachers projector remote, took staples out of the stapler, poured water in a students chair and watched them sit down, told the ESL kid “crotch” is how you say pencil, pulled out chairs from underneath people, duct taped a girl to the floor while she was sleeping (sleepover), and lying/cheating/aggressive behavior countless times. Substance use, yes. Never been arrested though.
Having very severe ADHD, I’m not sure how I feel about this video. A lot of what you’re saying is a theory or based off an observation and isn’t scientifically proven yet...and I understand you’re not attacking those of us with ADHD, but I feel attacked. 😂😂 This video is very well done, regardless of how I feel though. Always love your videos and how you stay unbiased and neutral.
I’m interested in the different types of research too, how it was carried out ( in all the subjects you cover) and the differences in the methods, and your learned opinions on the validity. I’ve heard of ADHD being linked to BPD. I guess it makes sense that it is linked with ASPD. I’m going to say something really controversial now, all of the children I have known with a diagnosis of ADHD have been really really naughty children, with one thing in common, really bad parenting. I’m not saying that’s everybody’s experience, but that’s mine. Do you think there is an increase in ASPD in the UK? Thanks for the video, great information as always 🙏🏻😊
Dotty P I think that many children with ADHD appear to be “really naughty” due to many factors, such as lack of impulse control, hyperactivity, etc. and they often appear to not be following directions when in fact they didn’t hear the directions (due to inattentiveness or hyperactive thoughts at the time the directions were given). They can also have the tendency to have more tantrums and explosive behaviors due to their inability to regulate and control their emotions. This can often be exacerbated perhaps by “bad parenting” in the sense that the parents don’t recognize the particular symptoms, don’t respond to them appropriately or fail to seek proper care for their child’s symptoms.
When you find that there is a wide variety of conclusions (sometimes mutually contradictory) from different studies, like in this case about a hypothesized association between ADHD and ASPD, and a consensus does not seem to emerge, do you as a practicing clinician adopt one of these conclusions in favor of others, or do you remain neutral, or do you try to distill some commonality among the studies (perhaps not at the level of their conclusions, but at the level of their reasoning and analysis)? Thank you.
I'm not him. But sifting through all of these different studies had shown me how similar all of these disorders are. Just like how only a tiny change in our DNA changes us from monkey to human. Small changes in the development of the brain may be all that's necessary to be indentified as many different things. Like on the top of my head I connected these dots from all my research People who are autistic have developmental issues. They also are known to be able to access different parts of the body no one else can access (kinda like how a blind person has enhanced senses. Perhaps this is because of a part of your brain that maybe faulty) I also know that ADHD is defined as a developmental disorder. They are right now the only two. And they are shockingly similar. I also know that Psycopathy is believed to be a problem with development in the part of the brain that regulates emotion. People with Autism and ADHD however may experience extreme emotions. Around 10-20% of people with ADHD are gonna have An anti social personality disorder. But a ASPD will only effect 1-3% of the population. Maybe those with ADHD and autism possibly have unconscious access to different systems of the brain. And we can slowly tell ourselves to stop thinking. Ofc I'd think anyone can do that but the disorder rate is so high for people with ADHD and Idek the number for autism. This could also be Incredibly incorrect seeing how this is just research and intuition and not scientific study. But since he didn't answer I just had to provide one.
I want a video on evidence for the existence of personality at all its an act part of the game. All of the things that make a personality is based on absolute concept of what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable within culture.
I haven't still understood why in the dark triad there isn't sadism in place of Macchiavelianism. Macchiavelians are selfish but rarely dangerous, whereas sadists are as dangerous as ASPD and paths. Please, can you explain me about this choice?
Nicolette James I knew that psychopathy and sadism are two different things. Not all psychopaths are sadistic - that doesn't mean they are not dangerous or exploitative - and many sadists are not psychopaths. That's because sadism and lack of emotional empathy are not the same thing, even though sadists usually have a deficit of emotional empathy
I need help and I still do my best to be in control of my ADHD and control of my antisocial behaviors. I still hope that I can find good people to help me to become better and be more independent.
Dr. Grande, I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder and the psychiatrist also said she believed I have a personality disorder as well. The questions she was asking lead me to believe that she was considering Antisocial Personality Disorder (lots of questions on criminality). My question is this, can I have APD even though I have had minimal run ins with the law?
It would be extremely difficult to associate ADHD and APD with any reliable significance, simply because of the fact that APD prevalence is like 3%. Parenting is a much much more reliable factor in associating those particular two. I also believe ADHD is diagnosed in more than 5% of children, ADD is for sure. ADD and perhaps ADHD also seemed to be misdiagnosed and/or overdiagnosed. Lastly, I hope Ritalin will eventually stopped being prescribed altogether (for ADD and ADHD). I took it for 3 to 4 years (from around age 4 or 5, up until 8 or 9 for ADHD) and feel like it had a negative impact on brain chemistry later in life (acute onset of MDD at age 20).
I didn't know what AHDH was until I met a psychopath who told me she had it. I ignored it thinking it was a small problem. Wrong, she nearly destroyed me.
ADHD is different from person to person for me I sometimes lack empathy idk why but happens where I won’t even feel shit for shit and then other times I feel ALOOOOOTA shit!! WHICH DRIVES ME CRAZY
I hv HDHD . I'm not psychopath.and not narcissism. Yes I'm impulsive. Forget thing Can stand still and boring line can't focus and learning disabilities also over sensitive Over all I'm a kind person
I do not think so and 90% percent of people with ADHD are xxnps in mbti. In fact in my family all of us that have ADHA/ADD are XXNPs. There is a strong correlation between Extrovert intuition and ADHD/ADD. ADHD is extrovert form that created impulses to get someone to something else. Also extroverted Perceivers more incline to dislike authority and go their own way. also test for ADHA/ADD unaware that they are test for extroverted intuition because it scored by how they react to simulation form the outside world. in fact I believe MBTI test be much accurate if base on how some one reacts to situations than self reporting preferences. also XXNP develop other mental disorders because because society force them act like the SJ temperament.
How can you be borderline and a psychopath.. the first implies too much of emotional reaction while the former is the opposite in most aspects, except for impulsive behaviour? But there are deficits in feelings like remorse and...you get the idea. Anything apart from "BOOM, PLEASURE, I WANT NOW", for a lack of a better word :'D
I guess AdHd makes you lose faith in humanity bit by bit. I noticed I've became a bit antisocial after years of abuse. Who knows where this will lead me, but I have to say that it concerns me a bit
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What an absolutely strange correlation , ADHD and psychopathy!
I know I have ADHD but I also know I do not have Anti-Social Personality Disorder since the guilt I feel for doing wrong can be overwhelming! Not t to mention there are people in my life I genuinely care about.
You mentioned something interesting. I might be crazy but I think Sociopathy is a state the mind is in. And Psycopathy is being born like that. Because I relate to a lot of things people say but I can't relate to everything. Due to a slightly or really rough childhood I had to shut off emotion. (It's why I can't tell you whether it was really bad or just so so bad) just like a psychopath and a sociopath. But with practice you can turn it back on. Tell me if you've also noticed times where you are able to completely handle a situation where normal people would cry. See I have a sneaking suspicion that it isn't all bad. But ofc the only ones who need help are the worse ones. So why would we ever hear about semi healthy individuals who are living their life with maybe a chip on the shoulder or maybe more.
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So,was it because you are a gigantic, prehistoric white shark?@carcharodon megalodon
Lol 😂 good joke.
I have ADHD, OCD, Avoidant Personality Disorder, and PTSD... I freaking hate it. There have been times in my life that I could of slipped into Anti-social Personality Disorder... (and stayed there)... I remember it clearly at age 6 and the again at age 12 but I made the choice not to go there (I don't know how to explain it... there was situations that happened that at those ages that almost pushed me over the edge and I clearly remember making the choice to stay connected to myself.
My hypothesis is that the imbalances of attention that occur during an ADHDer's formative years is what makes us prone to missing out on learning experiences, hence garnering deficiencies leading to co-morbid or secondary disorders.
My ex husband was diagnosed with ADHD at a young age. He went on in his teenage years doing hard drugs and alcohol and going to jail a lot. By 18 he stopped all of it but man! The stories he had!!
We were married for 8 years and I thought it seemed alright but I was ignored and uncared about. His needs and wants were always the priority and he was unmoved/didn’t care about me.
After many attempts and warnings, I told him I am leaving. I never expected the way he turned on me. He became incredibly manipulative, and started to use force I never thought he would use on me. And said I was ridiculous when I told him I was afraid of him.
After moving out, things got worse and so much more scary. I didn’t recognize the person he was.
I am pretty sure this isn’t just ADHD, but it progressed to ASPD.
It’s sad but good that the symptoms tend to go away in the 40’s. We almost made it. But I couldn’t handle anymore loneliness and the lack of companionship in a marriage with issues that were always neglected.
When you are Neurodivergent, Neurotypical people for the most part spit you out use and abuse you. So. it's just less wear and tair to keep to yourself. We suffer long term trauma. If you break your leg, you don't go running around on it. You get the bone set, a cast on and rest it. Imagine getting your leg broken every day and everyone taking a wack at it when you go out. It makes sense to stay away from the people who are taking shots at your leg. If that mean you have to be anti social so be it. It doesn't mean you have a disorder. The problem is the people taking shots at your leg. Society has a bad Victim Blaiming habit when it comes to Mental Health.
Since ADHD is a executive function disorder (speaks before think, reacts one emotion at a time instinctively), other personality disorders may appear as a protective learned behaviour regarding the environmental issues such as bad parenting, poor income, or no finantial problema but bad pareting, school issues. I'm just saying what i got from Dr. Russel Barkley's lectures. For instance, a child with ADHD and the worse verbal parenting may learn instinctively that a fews lies may bring him protection from bad parenting sometimes. This may pass to social behaviour. What are your words on this Dr. Todd Grande ?
This is very interesting.
I have ADHD but I’m definitely not a psychopath.
When I do something wrong(mainly stealing, lying, and putting strains on relationships) I’ll feel bad about it, but I usually don’t regret it as long as it doesn’t negatively impact me.
ADHD is a sign of huge empathy.
If you're seeing otherwise, comorbidities at work.
Ppl get bored at school because young humans aren't designed to sit through repetitive indoctrination day after day for hours.
They're meant to be outside.
I think the reason a good majority of adhd individuals tend to have personality disorders is when they are children and lack self control the authority figures don’t handle it well.
Edit: you mentioned this in the video after I commented. Lol
FYI the Dutch government department of Justice produced a really interesting science & policy paper around 2006 on this. Ultimately recommending screening for the development of ASPD in children with ADHD and children with parents with risk factors.
This makes so much sense! I've been diagnosed with ADHD and Borderline Disorder, but I have many other Cluster B traits too.
Must be difficult with marriage
Same with me.
I think this is one of the best series on the internet. The doctor too. Five stars.
My young adult stepson has clear signs of ADHD and shows signs of antisocial/sociopathic or narcissistic tendencies. In his case, good parenting from his mother and family has kept him in line, but I think the early childhood trauma of an abusive father and the sudden abandonment of said father at boy's age seven resulted in his survival mentality and extreme problematic lack of empathy and being able to understand the affect of others.
This man is very astute and he knows what hes talking about
Astute makes him sound crafty which I’m sure it’s not what you meant
Yes. If you like lists.
Only because you agree with him.
i can’t tell people in my school that i have adhd, because they’ll either respond with “oh, so that’s what’s wrong with you” or “are you going to murder me?” i’ve lost a lot of friends because i told them i have adhd.
i also have bipolar disorder, and even that’s something i’d never tell any of my close friends.
Its best to be by your self anyways
Not an expert, but it seems a lot of top artists, entrepreneurs and scientists seem to fall quite a bit above average on the attention deficit spectrum like Richard Feynman, Steve Jobs, and many more... perhaps even everyone's favorite Jordan Peterson... I think sometimes the positives of ADHD can be overlooked and it's unfortunately been heavily stigmatized.
Gabor Mate has ADD, and has written on it. I want to read his book. I have never seen anyone so clearly un-ADD-like and yet have the disorder.
You're right about unfair stigma, but, consider a lot of it could be rooted in these other comorbid conditions that are not adhd, and are relatively uncommon. By the way, I have heard that Steve Jobs was pretty narcissistic. Brilliant as he was.
I have a "friend" who is diagnosed with ADHD and he displays a lot of psychopathic behaviours.
Me too. And she uses the ADHD diagnosis as an excuse and disguise for her aggression and cluster b/dark triad behaviors and thinking patterns.
ADHD can look very different in ppl .. It's more to do with executive functioning. A person with with ADHD could either be a criminal or they could represent the very epitome of humanity. Ppl with ADHD are often very good in emergency services and usually sensitive, empathic ppl, often they show their heart on their sleeve.. in the very least many are down to earth as pretty much headless chooks in everyday life at least, if you can't laugh you just get depressed.. Anxiety is also very common with ADHD and Idk about ASPD exactly but I don't think anxiety is something that Psychopaths get.
Imo many ppl with ADHD might be under diagnosed in terms of BPD though...Tbh I wonder if Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria really needs to be a 'thing' as imo it's a natural way to feel given how little is understood about ADHD. Emotions can be dysregulated with ADHD though and medication really does help provided it's done right for right person. Emotionally, ppl with ADHD are supposed to be behind in emotional maturity but up until a point.. and then I think it's possibly BPD or something else if they seem to stay the same their whole lives and never grow in emotional intelligence etc. I don't think Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria is supposed to make you devious either.
ADHD is obviously complex. Not everyone expresses it the same. I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, and depression. I’m just wired differently than others and I’m okay with that. I’m not antisocial, I just find more peace in nature and animals. I tend not to gravitate towards large crowds, social groups, or stages. I’m a bit shy and a total goofball when it comes to initiating a conversation. But if you come up to me and start talking, I will actually enjoy it. Just my personal input. Great video ✌🏻
@J M there are ADHD who are psychopaths/ASPD, and there are ADHD who are highly sensitive and empathic, and they do suffer a lot of anxiety. Even sociopaths feel anxiety on some level, very short ones but they do. Psychopathic brains are very sensitive to dopamine, their brain releases much more dopamine than the average healthy brain. That's why they crave so many things and they always "on the go", always busy and have stuff to do, everything can be exciting to them. ADHD brain that is not psychopathic have a decrease of dopamine activity in the brain, that even when they do things that stimulates them it's still not enough for their brain, the brain have a problem with collecting the dopamine and keep it there. Psychopaths are very sensitive to dopamine meaning they can get a rush from many things compared to other type of ADHD.
If you don't feel anxiety with ADHD, you're likely a psychopath.
@J M The reason a ADHD person might engage in risk taking is to upstart the regulation systems that lack dopamine. We are also impulsive. But it really has nothing to do with empathy or ASPD. ADHD can cause problems with emotional regulation (all part of that regulation system). It often comes off as sub-clinical ODD however.
Always a treat to listen to you
Thank you!
My husband is psychopathic and has ADHD. He keeps his psychopathy in check because he doesnt want to lose what he has (his company). His aggression is expressed in impulsivity, grandiosity, manipulation, addictions and verbal abuse. He did much better on Vyvanse however he refuses to take his meds now and his behaviours mentioned above have gotten bad.
He did grow up with a father who showed no emotion, was verbally abusive to his mother and neglectful. His father was always in content.
His mother and many of her family members have ADHD and dyslexia. She and my husband are hyperactive. Unlike my husband, she cannot process regular information well, like following a GPS. She always gets lost. She also thought stealing and disregard for authority as funny.
My husband does not understand how to be nice. He has no filter and it takes him immense energy ro understand how to be nice when I am explaining it to him. He just doesn't get it. He doesn't understand why verbally jabbing people is inappropriate. He lacks empathy. He however had an experience as a child where his pet rabbit's cage door slammed down on the rabbits head and chopped it off. This could have gone both ways. He could have not been disgusted and instead intrigued, but thankfully was grossed out beyond belief that he threw up. As much as I didn't want the rabbit to die, I'm thankful that this event happened to keep him away from morbid stuff with his psycopathy. He can't eat meat very well so there is some empathy there. He just had an unsafe upbringing where he felt that the world wasn't a safe place. His family lacked loved and never expressed it. He would have to cry by himself as a baby and if he did something wrong his was punished with a belt and wooden spoon.
Not all psychopaths can kill. Lots are white collar psychopaths that manipulate in business and that's what he does. Him and his mother both agree that you have to take things in life and that life isn't fair. These thoughts create a world where you become predatorial and in survival mode, avoiding the social norms of society. This is how they think. They have distorted thoughts of the world, coupled with ADHD, lack of emotional expression and environmental upbringing issues.
The neurological and environmental combination have created a perfect storm for my husband to become (white collar) psychopathic.
We can't pay attention to everything. If truth and authenticity are the main drivers for someone, that won't always be equally paired with compassion. We all have something to bring to the table.
A thorough video on a topic I haven't yet seen covered. Good job!
I'm cringing as I listen to this video and peruse the comments. This correlation is akin to comparing someone with heart failure to someone with antisocial personality disorder; because they too experience depression and mood swings. People with ADHD are born with it. It is not a character flaw, rather more of a learning disability/ difference. Many of the comorbidities mentioned here develop as a result of hopelessness and frustration from enduring years of ignorant care takers and educators. I am surprised and disappointed that Dr. Grande is carelessly perpetuating painful and damaging misinformation about ADHD.
2:32 I'm both inattentive and hyperactive so I'm on the edge of my seat right now
So interesting dude, especially having a brother with ASPD.
This is the only place I've seen anything on this subject and I've often wondered about it. Thanks!
I have ADHD but often told that my guilt is inappropriate and excessive.
I have adhd and I am confused about my emotions, I feel anhedonia, a need for strong emotions, I feel remorse but I also feel a need to manipulate or disrupt other peoples emotions for fun, to feel excitement. I love to be polemic, I like to hurt people a bit (disrupt their emotions) but also to make people feel good, like to destroy and rebuild. Without my adderall I am violent and prone to engage in fights, I just started to feel attachment about 2 years ago when I turned 40. But I dont understand my emotions, I really dont care about people unless they are in my very close vicinity like my wife but I really have the want to feel nirmal emotions, but I feel remorse of what I have done but not for too long. I dont know, whatever
ADHD is soul destroying, whereas antisocial personality disorder destroys souls.
What do you think about Sam Vaknin's view on NPD / ASPD being post traumatic conditions and could this be a retrospective link to ADHD also? I know anecdotally at least that many ADHD children are hardly inconspicuous and tend to draw more abuse from peers and authority figures than their better behaved or organised peers.
Wow, that’s a fascinating viewpoint/possibility
I have ADHD but I've always been bothered by a lack of emotion that's sometimes in me. (And my sadness and depression are completely hidden from my sight as well as anyone else) and here's how I understand this confusion. Since my life has been pretty shitty pretty often, my brain started to think "well hold one we can't have this much sadness and depression or else this boy will literally die." And slowly turned me partly into a callous machine. So yes I can completely see it being PTSD related. But it's not so much of an issue because now I can deal with these issues like their nothing and that's useful when everyone else is going crazy. (Admittedly though I am still trouble by my lack of sadness. It's a defense mechanism in a ways.)
@@MadMax22 yeah that pretty much mirrors my situation.
Dr. Grande, do you have an idea of the following disorders combined and, perhaps, a generalized plan of action? ADHD, PTSD, MDD since childhood and avoidant behavior disorder. This has become progressively worsened, especially AVD, with aging, almost to the point of isolation. I'll leave it here and will check back to see if this is worth an answer. Thank you.
Excellent video as always! Can you do a video on ADHD and if it’s linked to narcissism?
Maybe, let me see what I can find on ADHD and Narcissism -
Watch Dr Russel Barkley videos. He's actually an expert on ADHD.
I'd say I'm well-rounded as a Combined Type, but really I'm all over the place!
ASPD may decline in the 40's simply due to wisdom. Ik I think a lot like a sociopath but I've also realized the importance of human emotion and being genuine. I also know that lying (the tool that's associated with these disorders) is infact a terrible tool. It takes so much work to lie effectively. Don't get me wrong it's easy for me. But that's exhausting. You can't keep it up forever. But I guess this all came because I also learned to humble myself as much as I could (also a sociopathic trait...) I still believe I'm the bee's knees. And that's because I am. But I also know that despite all of my pros I'm sti just the same as everyone else. Just like people can grow out of ADHD in adulthood but learning how to hide the symptoms I believe there's a possibility for the same to be done with ASPD.
Interesting stuff. I have also read links between ADHD and ASD, which made a lot of sense. And of course, ASD and ASPD have also said to have some similar pathology, but etiologically that is harder for me to digest. The point is, when we look at spectrum "stuff" (whether ODD or CD or ASD, not saying ODD and CD are classified as being spectrum stuff) in relation to other psychological phenomenon, it is easy to see overlaps. I am far more interested in etiology, because patterns (if not taken into extreme consideration) can and will muddy the clinical water until you have comorbidities out the wazzu.
As always, great stuff.
Interesting video, but mentioning that ADHD and ASPD are correlated and one may predict the other doesn't tell us much about the relationship between them. I know that there was a recent systematic review/meta-analysis on brain abnormalities in ASPD in the journal Molecular Psychiatry. It would be interesting if you could take a systematic review/meta-analysis of ADHD and one of ASPD and discuss the similarities/differences in brain structure between these disorders. That discussion would be more fitting for the title of this video.
Excellent question...I tried researching myself, but it's really confusing for one without the neurology, biochemistry background. We need someone like Doctor Grande to help explain what the newer imaging studies can show.
The light reflection gives you Indigo eyeshadow! Looking fly Grande!
Youve got such a calming voice, id love you to be my doctor!
I was recently diagnosed and treated for ADHD, things have become much more clear and looking back I now see that I pretty much had displayed or masked all ADHD symptoms. I'm 40. I need to know why all my family are boomers who all act infantile and deny their responsibility for negative outcomes and do not accept their children's individuality. They either talk way too much, never talk, aggressive, no remorse, believe whatever their preferred 'news source' tells them. Any decisions are made in blazingly quick time, like no actual thought has occurred they just become enraged and then feel like that means they're correct.
I am autistic with ADHD. I also suspect I have BPD AND AVPD, but these are undiagnosed currently and I also feel this is a result of undiagnosed autism & adhd. I picked up the ADHD and ASPD link recently after consecutively meeting undiagnosed adults who went for a significant period of their lives undiagnosed for ADHD who now display ASPD. As an autistic, how i identify these people is that it feels like you are talking to a hypnotherapist or salesman and the gaslighting is constant, its every sentence out of their mouth. They are not very good at keeping track of their lies, thanks to the ADHD. My own findings: Undiagnosed/ unsupported ADHD + significant childhood trauma = ASPD. Undiagnosed/ unsupported Autism + ADHD + constantly being gaslit and invalidated by caregivers (autism is its own language and neurotype, you are constantly accused of using language with secret meaning and subtext that you have not and cannot use which does the same thing to the brain as an abuse victim who is gaslit and invalidated constantly) = BPD.
Interestingly, there's increasing evidence that ADHD has common genetic roots with autism, bi polar and schizophrenia. If you have one, you're more likely to have another too, and it's also known that Antisocial personality disorder is more common in people with schizophrenia. My guess is that in years to come, we'll have an understanding that Antisocial personality disorder isn't actually a personality disorder at all - it's largely a separate genetic condition with similar genetic roots to ADHD, schizophrenia etc. it would explain why some people with ADHD have what we now call antisocial personality disorder, and some don't. It seems likely they have the same roots, if you have one you're more likely to have the other, but they are still only comorbid in some people depending on the precise genetics they inherited and their upbringing.
Dr Grande. Your videos have helped me so much. Thank you
Hi, Dr G, I have 2 questions:
1. Is conduct disorder/ODD a condition limited to children?
2. Do any of the other Cluster B personality disorders have as strong a link to psychopathy as APD does?
Great video, I would really like to know more about the prevention you mentioned, so ADHD doesn't become anti social. Thanks Dr.
Same
Idk about in America but in Australia Hyperactive, combined and inattentive are all under "ADHD" now as even if you appear inattentive you're often hyper in the mind.. however some ppl with ADHD can also be slow on cognitive processing so I'm not sure how that works but I tested as fast in cognitive testing (however terrible working memory) but often I can appear slow on the outside because of other mental happenings that get in the way plus sensory overload... expectations... anxiety... picturing too many options... self esteem. Ppl with slow processing you might think would have lower intellect (unless they really do plus added learning disorders) but at least some are very intelligent, I'm envious of them in a way as I imagine much of the time they'd appear calmer and probably more likely to be precise...I imagine they'd be more concise but I haven't spoken to anybody who's been diagnosed who has slow processing
Interesting? Can you do a video about the MMPI test? And explain results, what this test reveals, the validity? My ex took this and he scored, per him in having traits in ASPD, NPD and BPD. The psychiatrist said he has childhood PTSD, ADD/ADHD, depression also. Thanks
I am considering recording a video on the MMPI. I understand the MMPI-3 is going to be released soon.
Dr. Todd Grande that video would be interesting! Thanks
Could you talk about the relationship between ADHD and neuroticism?
Can you give a lesson on Testosterone and it's affects on ADHD/Anti-social personality disorder, etc. because it seems the majority of these disorders are on the male side, a lot of it manifesting itself seems to increase at 13-14-15. I remember my studies and one point of view being that when those diagnosed with these disorders often slow down in their later years, 40-50... could that be because of the level of testosterone decreasing? Could there be a more physical approach to this if it were true, and then what could science tell us. Although, my son was hyperactive from at least 3-4 yrs old.
Bunny Lang i like your perspective!
I just read a study that theorized if child abuse was present then it was never adhd, it was conduct disorder by trauma if it continues into adulthood you have bpd/aspd or several combinations that may end up coexisting. You should see my ex wife she would probably set a record for comorbid disorders and sadly most likely would be a completely different person if not for her abusive mother.
Useable information. Helpful. Thank you.
Another factor ASPD isn't diagnosed until 18 might be because too many teenage boys would qualify, yet these same individuals by 30 are often law-abiding, docile and domesticated.
I had three (other beside myself) childhood friends who were absolutely batsh*t out of control insane ADHD-hyperactive trouble makers with the law, the neighbours, the girls and the schools.
One is now a police CHIEF. One is a transit-cop. One is in prison doing six years for defrauding the elderly.
I just wrote and deleted 100 lines about the last one, no use boring you all but I'll add.. I grew up with him.. I know him inside out...a nice guy... he just happens to also be criminally #@$*& insane!!!! I would say he's at least got ADHD combined. We were both hyperactive and in trouble in school but he would copy from my homework, not vice-versa. His family is mother dominant father quiet and reserved, good people, hard working. His only brother, younger, a stand-up moral regular guy. Nobody can explain it though all have wondered aloud.
I have ADHD and ODD, and I found this topic very interesting! Thank you very much Doc! I also show some CD-like behaviours, but I don't know whether that is due to my ODD, or I actually have Conduct Disorder! I will see the results in my psych evaluation soon, but guess we'll have to see.
The ADHD rate for adults and children is virtually the same. The difference in the numbers, 2.5% for adults and 5%, lies different diagnosis incentives for the respective groups. For example, (free) adults don‘t have to attend compulsory schooling and nobody can make them go to a doctor.
Autism has nothing to do with psychopaths. Autists feel feeling psychopaths do not
Interesting lit.review synopsis. I wonder about the nuanced overlap of behaviors one displays whether zie suffers from Anti-social Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder. It would be interesting to read a comparative analysis of one's experiences of these psychological afflictions in conjunction with valid quantitative measures. It would be interesting to see credible qualitative studies which capture participants' experiences of such which are written in a manner which imbibes readers with a sense of vicarious empathy which complements established "hard science." Sometimes,I watch your videos, and I think so hard....like some smoke comes out of my ears. Thanks so much. I wouldn't have subscribed...but your videos got me through advanced stats with an A minus. Always a slice of empirical, psychological heaven.
You are quite welcome!
I have ADHD (inattentive and hyperactive/impulsive) and my father has ASPD (felon). I had CD as a child (psychologist called into the school after I flooded the girls locker room and slapped another kid across the face amongst many other things). The PG mentionable things I can say I did… hid the teachers projector remote, took staples out of the stapler, poured water in a students chair and watched them sit down, told the ESL kid “crotch” is how you say pencil, pulled out chairs from underneath people, duct taped a girl to the floor while she was sleeping (sleepover), and lying/cheating/aggressive behavior countless times. Substance use, yes. Never been arrested though.
sounds interesting but, I was trying to figure out if your mustache was even on both sides. Still deciding, I can't figure it out.
Fascinating! Thanks Dr. Grande.
You're welcome!
Having very severe ADHD, I’m not sure how I feel about this video. A lot of what you’re saying is a theory or based off an observation and isn’t scientifically proven yet...and I understand you’re not attacking those of us with ADHD, but I feel attacked. 😂😂 This video is very well done, regardless of how I feel though. Always love your videos and how you stay unbiased and neutral.
Thank you so much!
I couldn’t word it better
I also have ADHD and I don't care at all. Stop being so sensitive.
I’m interested in the different types of research too, how it was carried out ( in all the subjects you cover) and the differences in the methods, and your learned opinions on the validity. I’ve heard of ADHD being linked to BPD. I guess it makes sense that it is linked with ASPD. I’m going to say something really controversial now, all of the children I have known with a diagnosis of ADHD have been really really naughty children, with one thing in common, really bad parenting. I’m not saying that’s everybody’s experience, but that’s mine. Do you think there is an increase in ASPD in the UK? Thanks for the video, great information as always 🙏🏻😊
Dotty P I think that many children with ADHD appear to be “really naughty” due to many factors, such as lack of impulse control, hyperactivity, etc. and they often appear to not be following directions when in fact they didn’t hear the directions (due to inattentiveness or hyperactive thoughts at the time the directions were given). They can also have the tendency to have more tantrums and explosive behaviors due to their inability to regulate and control their emotions. This can often be exacerbated perhaps by “bad parenting” in the sense that the parents don’t recognize the particular symptoms, don’t respond to them appropriately or fail to seek proper care for their child’s symptoms.
👍🏻 Thanks so much for posting clear explanations.
When you find that there is a wide variety of conclusions (sometimes mutually contradictory) from different studies, like in this case about a hypothesized association between ADHD and ASPD, and a consensus does not seem to emerge, do you as a practicing clinician adopt one of these conclusions in favor of others, or do you remain neutral, or do you try to distill some commonality among the studies (perhaps not at the level of their conclusions, but at the level of their reasoning and analysis)? Thank you.
I'm not him. But sifting through all of these different studies had shown me how similar all of these disorders are. Just like how only a tiny change in our DNA changes us from monkey to human. Small changes in the development of the brain may be all that's necessary to be indentified as many different things. Like on the top of my head I connected these dots from all my research
People who are autistic have developmental issues. They also are known to be able to access different parts of the body no one else can access (kinda like how a blind person has enhanced senses. Perhaps this is because of a part of your brain that maybe faulty) I also know that ADHD is defined as a developmental disorder. They are right now the only two. And they are shockingly similar. I also know that Psycopathy is believed to be a problem with development in the part of the brain that regulates emotion. People with Autism and ADHD however may experience extreme emotions. Around 10-20% of people with ADHD are gonna have An anti social personality disorder. But a ASPD will only effect 1-3% of the population. Maybe those with ADHD and autism possibly have unconscious access to different systems of the brain. And we can slowly tell ourselves to stop thinking. Ofc I'd think anyone can do that but the disorder rate is so high for people with ADHD and Idek the number for autism. This could also be Incredibly incorrect seeing how this is just research and intuition and not scientific study. But since he didn't answer I just had to provide one.
I want a video on evidence for the existence of personality at all its an act part of the game.
All of the things that make a personality is based on absolute concept of what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable within culture.
I haven't still understood why in the dark triad there isn't sadism in place of Macchiavelianism. Macchiavelians are selfish but rarely dangerous, whereas sadists are as dangerous as ASPD and paths. Please, can you explain me about this choice?
Sadism is generally lumped into psychopathy. It's the combination of the 3 that creates the dark triad.
Nicolette James I knew that psychopathy and sadism are two different things. Not all psychopaths are sadistic - that doesn't mean they are not dangerous or exploitative - and many sadists are not psychopaths.
That's because sadism and lack of emotional empathy are not the same thing, even though sadists usually have a deficit of emotional empathy
Machiavellians can be dangerous, Charles Manson was a machiavellian.
I remember a nueroscientist once said a new nueral path gets created once one gets like 60.
That said, can wisdom experience in life effect aspd?
Oh, I guess that's what HAPPENED to me! THX!
Great info. Thanks Dr. G
You're welcome!
I need help and I still do my best to be in control of my
ADHD and control of my antisocial behaviors. I still hope that I can find good people to help me to become better and be more independent.
Dr. Grande, I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder and the psychiatrist also said she believed I have a personality disorder as well. The questions she was asking lead me to believe that she was considering Antisocial Personality Disorder (lots of questions on criminality). My question is this, can I have APD even though I have had minimal run ins with the law?
Technically speaking, someone could have APD even without criminality. I wouldn't say it is common, but it does happen.
Narcissism may certainly be misdiagnosed as ADHD!
Would the same relationship apply to ADD?
Mark W since its a type of adhd it would make sense? I would like to know as well I have ADD.
autism and psychopathy? Intuitively I would think so.
It would be extremely difficult to associate ADHD and APD with any reliable significance, simply because of the fact that APD prevalence is like 3%. Parenting is a much much more reliable factor in associating those particular two. I also believe ADHD is diagnosed in more than 5% of children, ADD is for sure. ADD and perhaps ADHD also seemed to be misdiagnosed and/or overdiagnosed. Lastly, I hope Ritalin will eventually stopped being prescribed altogether (for ADD and ADHD). I took it for 3 to 4 years (from around age 4 or 5, up until 8 or 9 for ADHD) and feel like it had a negative impact on brain chemistry later in life (acute onset of MDD at age 20).
Can a person have attention deficits without the hyperactivity and also factor 1 psychopathy? Thanks in advance for any insights!
You mean add?
That explains a lot.
I am ADHD and joined a support group of others with ADHD.
ADHD is NOT even close to ASPD.
ADHD people are a bunch of goofballs!
Great show. Thanks Dr Grande
I didn't know what AHDH was until I met a psychopath who told me she had it. I ignored it thinking it was a small problem. Wrong, she nearly destroyed me.
ADHD is different from person to person for me I sometimes lack empathy idk why but happens where I won’t even feel shit for shit and then other times I feel ALOOOOOTA shit!! WHICH DRIVES ME CRAZY
Awesome, thank you!
Could you discuss poor parenting with trauma mom?
funny that antisocial behaviour declines when testosteron levels drop significantly
Why is BPD excluded from dark triad theory?
I hv HDHD . I'm not psychopath.and not narcissism. Yes I'm impulsive. Forget thing Can stand still and boring line can't focus and learning disabilities also over sensitive
Over all I'm a kind person
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I do not think so and 90% percent of people with ADHD are xxnps in mbti. In fact in my family all of us that have ADHA/ADD are XXNPs. There is a strong correlation between Extrovert intuition and ADHD/ADD. ADHD is extrovert form that created impulses to get someone to something else. Also extroverted Perceivers more incline to dislike authority and go their own way. also test for ADHA/ADD unaware that they are test for extroverted intuition because it scored by how they react to simulation form the outside world. in fact I believe MBTI test be much accurate if base on how some one reacts to situations than self reporting preferences. also XXNP develop other mental disorders because because society force them act like the SJ temperament.
How did you not mention conscientiousness?
I have it. ADHD, come on.
Are you scared?
OK, what is going on here?
Michael Forbes has it Justin Timberlake has it, Tom Cruise has it.
i do not have any mental disorder whatsoever and it honestly feels great being superior to a large group of people!
i was diagnosed w adhd but really am a primary psychopath w schizotypal features
How can you be borderline and a psychopath.. the first implies too much of emotional reaction while the former is the opposite in most aspects, except for impulsive behaviour? But there are deficits in feelings like remorse and...you get the idea. Anything apart from "BOOM, PLEASURE, I WANT NOW", for a lack of a better word :'D
Would this apply to ADD as well?
I think there is a causitive link between these disorders and diet. Improve diet and these disorders eventually go away.
I have ADHD could I be sociopathic? I think I maybe sociopathic. How do I get a diagnosis with you?
If it can't be measured it is bunk
Like me I have no personality
I did not want to watch this but I thought I would 😑
I guess AdHd makes you lose faith in humanity bit by bit. I noticed I've became a bit antisocial after years of abuse. Who knows where this will lead me, but I have to say that it concerns me a bit
I'd like to think the disorders are all due to a single brain parasite, toxoplasma gondii affecting in different ways, and all about GABA
Dr Grande
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