December. This is one of the peculiarly dangerous months to drive around in an EV. The others are July, January, September, April, November, May, March, June, October, August, and February.
I am an Alaskan. I cannot understand why ANYBODY in Alaska or Canada or the cold parts of the northern Lower 48 would even consider buying an EV. They totally suck in cold weather. They could literally kill you if things went bad. There is a thing called "virtue signalling" and there is another thing called "stupid signalling".
@@patrickmcguire4617 - as a Norwegian, I agree with you. Not because of the cold, we have that too. But because of the distances and infrastructure in those parts of the world. Same thing in remote parts of Norway, non-EVs reign supreme. But for anyone else EVs work without any issues in winter. Car fires are not an issue either.
I live in Finnmark, Norway and this could not be more true. I had an EV supplied by work. -30*c or lower and the range was reduced in half easily. Granted this was back in 2021 but it severely shocked me.
EV's with all that computer power and data and internet connection. Computer goes: "My battery over temperature sensors are going super HOT mode, Oh Oh, I'm on fire! Should I text my owner?? ? ? ? - Ohhhh, he wont like me. "
Here main stream lies (what used to be called news and is now lies) claim that diesel and petrol engine cars is more prone to fires then EV`s.... The lies in main stream media is just getting more and more ridiculous. And in some countries now you risk 2 ears in prison if you say ANYTHING negative about EV`s....
@@mddell24 Sadly, these vehicles don’t seem to have any provisions for detecting that they’re on fire or even extremely hot. I suggest that we can thank Elon Musk, principally, for that.
One of the EV experts pointed out that one advantage of the EV in winter was the ability to remotely pre heat the cabin , clear the windows and no need to run the engine while scraping the windows. I agree. The ability to plug your ICE car into an outside power source and be able to remotely heat the cabin, defrost the front and rear windows and pre heat up your engine would also be an ideal addition to ICE cars used in colder climates.
That's not true. Newer ICEs suffer from the same controllability issues as EVs. Ask anyone who drives a new ICE how annoying it is to have push button starters, wireless key fobs, forced to press the brake to start the vehicle, see that stupid safety warning on the center console everytime you start the vehicle, hear the alarm when your seatbelt isn't on, fight the lane assist on the highway, fight the automatic lights at night so you aren't blinding everybody at night, unlock your doors because the car automatically locks them when it gets moving, put the car in park because the gear selector is a button and the computer decides when it actually goes into park, change the radio station without looking because everything is a touchscreen computer, adjust the AC without looking because again everything is a touchscreen computer, connect to bluetooth because the car won't let you connect unless the car is in park even if you're a passenger. These are all common issues with ICEs. Speaking as a pro ICE guy.
I have friends in the Chicago suburbs. They told me there were numerous EVs completely bricked because it was a normal, legendarily cold Michigan winter, which can easily kill your. It seems nobody involved in the “cutting edge technology” of EVs seems to heard of Arrhenius. For every fall in temperature of 10 *C, the reaction rates of chemical reactions halves. Equally, a 10*C increased is associated with a doubling of reaction rates. This is an iron law. It’ll always be true. The only way an EV could work at all in a Chicago winter is if a sizeable chunk of the already reduced stored capacity in the traction battery is used to heat up that battery. It’s a big thing, a semi metallic lump weighing several hundred. Imagine the electrical energy required to warm that up :) By stark contrast, ICE cars generate heat as a byproduct of running. Instead of throwing away waste heat, it’s redirected to make the drivers and passengers cosy, including when caught in tailbacks on the highway or Interstate😊 You won’t be surprised to learn that my American friends drive big capacity ICE vehicles.
lol When he said 'winter' and 'EV's', I said 'Chicago' and in my head was that exact picture you're talking about, people PUSHING their EV's to the charger and then finding out it was too cold FOR THE CHARGER! On that day EV's were DONE.
@@brendykes1202 That's not fully true, however. The expansion of heated air produces a lot of an ICEs power, but most comes from the volume expansion of fluids turned into gas from the chemical reaction. You are right however about the inefficiency. Even if some of the heat can be used to heat the cabin, most is thrown away.
I live in Canada. One of the coldest cities on the planet. Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. 🇨🇦 You’d have to be bonkers to drive an EV here. Up here it’s cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey!
@@Quatorze1516no. We are not forced to purchase EVs. I live in an area of Canada that can see temps below -30C. Will I ever purchase an EV? Not likely. My safety and dependability means I will not give up my ICE suv.
With 8 billion on the planet facing forced transition into substandard EV's mostly due to self imposed ignorance, this channel should have at least 100 million subscribers.
Back when I was starving college student I drove a clunker. In the Summer of the air conditioner broke. I couldn't afford to fix it. So I drove with the windows down. It was workable. But then in the winter the heat broke. And I thought hey I'm wearing a winter coat anyway. I have gloves. Why do I need heat? How cold could it get in a car anyway? Well the answer is it gets as cold as your refrigerator. And then later on it gets as cold as your freezer. Now if you were wearing a parka and gloves and a scarf then walking for a half an hour through the cold can be okay. Mostly because you're walking. Burning energy. Producing heat. But I'll tell you sitting in a frozen car and driving for 45 minutes is absolute killer. I can handle no air conditioning in the summer. But after a week I gave up the heatless winter experience. It is insanely unpleasant to drive in a car which is too cold. You think you can tolerate it for a few minutes because you do that when you get first get into the car. While the car is heating. But the cold gets really old really fast. It's barbaric to not have heat in the vehicle. To expect the people would willingly forgo heat. Whatever pinhead who wrote that moronic article should be obligated to drive to work and home everyday with an unheated car until he pens a fully repentant retraction in whatever rag he writes for
Thanks for telling this true story. I drove a Chevrolet Corvair without heat one winter and even with sheepskin boots up to my knees I couldn't keep warm. But I was young and broke.
@@kathym6603I had a Corvair in my college days in Florida. Not much cold weather and a good thing. When I used the heater the cabin filled with smoke and oil smell…..Yuck.
West Midlands UK, I do early morning work, out at 05:30. Can't be doing with that scraping and shivering. If frost is forecast, I switch on my previously setup fan heater and switch it on when I get up. Fifteen minutes later I'm out the door and away, engine is getting warm by the time I need more heat. Really only necessary three-four? weeks of the year December to January, then occasionally February to March
Yes, I did searing heat conditions and freezing when young and got excited about climbing Mt Everest. I am not even interested in climbing Mt Everest or crossing the Sahara these days.
I swear that the electric viking bloke is full of BS, I have an electric car, and 100 percent agree with your channel. You can lose up to 80 mile range in winter easily!
They claim human driven cars destroy the environment, its just rediculous why we then need empty cars driving around going to pick up people. Will just nice parking into the roads.
Tip from wise man in China: The key to driving car with no heat in cold temps: Leave the windows open so the windows don't condense and frost over. Sounds so fun! Unbelievable!
Here in NZ some idiots believe that driving with your lights off will save battery. In theory it does, but only about 200 metres of range an hour. So we have these idiots driving with fogged up windows and no lights!
Right. Same with people turning off heating in their EVs during winter. It of course takes much more energy than the lights, but still like nothing when compared to the power that goes into the electric motors. These people are just uneducated and act from their false beliefs.
In my life I owned at least 3 VW bugs and 2 buses, one was a camper. Loved those vehicles, would still have one today but now they're classics & cost a fortune. They were comfortable for long trips, had incredibly good suspensions, were fun to drive & cheap to maintain, got good gas mileage- but of course no A/C. Those were the days!
@@myparadiseonbantayanisland9030 We made em work fine. It ducted hot air off the engine exhaust. If it's ducts get disconnect, you can easily connect them again. Unlike EVs, almost everyone could fix them.
Had my old Honda Accord for ten years. It had been round the clock 3 times had one new Head Gasket (self Fitted) and 2 new Batteries. No Electric windows or bells and whistles and fully self serviceable. It's now a Classic and the new owner has her back in pristine condition with the original Engine still in use. I bet there won't be many EV's that make it a year, let alone decades of service. merry Christmas to everyone from a gloomy U.K.
not only do I not drive, but I am unable to drive at all. but I am still happy to be a subscriber, such is my fascination with this subject. may you and your channel continue to prosper in 2025.
If I'm being honest I prefer your kitchen cabinets. It reminds me of those which were common when I lived in Australia. Thanks for all your work in making these videos. Latest is that the UK government is "Reviewing" it's 2030 EV mandates. I'm certain that this will mean postponing them as I've predicted.
I'm off to Scotland from the south of England in early January in my 1987 di transit. It's a 1000-mile round trip. That's 2.5 tanks of diesel with the heater at what ever temperature I want. It's only been around the world twice so far.
He is best fit as our PM, who said you can charge your car by solar power in nighttime. MGUY is equally stupid who keep his cell phone in his pocket and do not fear of fire and losing his testes but start talking nonsense to scare others from evs with the same batteries.
Just drove from Bristol, UK to Tata, Hungary for the holidays. About 1100m/1700km, done with a diesel Toyota Avensis, fully loaded with kids and everything my wife could stuff in the boot. Total journey took us 2 days cos we stopped for the night, but the actual driving time was 18hrs, we had to no adjust anything on the way, where to go to find charging, how fast can i drive, how many phones the kids charge in the car, the heating was on all the way, when i needed fuel it took me 5 min than back on the road. Stopped twice for fuel!
climate zealots would tell you take the train or bicycle, while they fly. The Bartender got caught at La guardia coming from DC. The answer was, I need to be home to my constituents on time. 🤔
With a modern EV that trip would took you two days. The actual driving time would be 18.5 hours including charging stops. Driving a modern EV would be a much greater pleasure.
The austrian post replaced their ICE cars with ev's. The postmen are furious because they just cannot switch the heater on, and of course, the range is much smaller. Well done Austrian post!
When I was doing my 1000km+ drive home from Münich with my EV after purchasing it, in the winter, I could do about 20-35 minutes per charge. It was an i3 with the 18,8 kWh battery, and driving at 130 km/h with a cold battery it just couldn't do any better. But that was only thanks to it having the ICE range extender. Then when it would charge ok that was done in about 20 minutes (plus the 10 minutes to dig yourself through the snow to the charger & get the charging to start...). And this was when charging stations were in a convenient place...if not I'd have to stop to charge well before the battery was empty just to ensure I could make it to the next one. I was constantly on my phone looking for chargers as I drove. By the way, the i3 refuses to turn on cabin heating until the battery has been charged sufficiently, so it wasn't fun to sit in the car with wet feet (from having to trek through the snow to get the charging cable connected) in a freezing car. Over and over again...
@@vincecarloI only had it for half a year. Our company got a new factory 350km away and I had to go there approx. biweekly. I rented ICE cars to get there mostly, after horrible experiences with the EV: hardly any chargers in that direction, and when even one of them was out of order it made things touch-and-go. There were no chargers in that small town so I could charge it overnight either. Then the battery cooling system of the car broke, and it took a month for them to first find qualified EV specialists, then diagnose the problem with the help of BMW HQ, then disassemble half the car to fix it. Make sure your EVs are under warranty! I'm sure it would've cost double what an ICE engine swap costs... (I had warranty) Luckily thanks to the subsidies I made money when I sold it (unfortunately society as a whole suffers from those subsidies, and therefore I will eventually as well).
24h in a queue is crazy, wether you're in an ICE or an EV. Hope they had enough gas in their tanks and energy in their batteries for such a nightmare. On a Tesla Model Y LR, 24h of continuous heating would suck about 60% out of the battery!
Talking to an electrician who has to drive an ID Buzz commercial, its running at nearly max weight and the best mileage he’s ever reached is 150 miles in the summer and 120/130 in the winter. He’s not impressed.
If that's enough for his daily runs, and he recharges it at home, it's not bad. Cheaper than gas, but it all depends how much more he paid vs a gas minivan
I got into a Tesla Uber in the dead of winter once. Driver was sitting in there in a knee length bubble Canada Goose down coat, zipped to the neck with the hood over a fleece hat and winter mitts on his hands. He looked ready for an Antarctic expedition. Heat was off and the inside was cold as a butcher's freezer. He refused to turn on the heat because he was conserving battery. In order to avoid a low rating, he had a back up sob story about how he lost his job and was trying to support his family.
@johnnieboy5381 on MISINFORMATION GUYS channel. I love the way ICE age fanboys who have never driven an EV always ask for proof. How many ICE age cars don't even start on a cold morning 🤔 🤣
Don't you know it, got a daughter 950 miles away we do it in around 15 hrs with a refill about half way gives us plenty of reserve for traffic jams, detours etc. An EV recharging would add considerable time. Without worrying about range, getting stuck in the outback. Because none of the chargers work 🤔
Most coffins require a minimum of four bearers. Do they follow on e-bikes? Or are the family expected to do the carrying. Early this year, my uncle was transported to the crematorium in an EV hearse, based on a Tesla model S. It did occur to me then that it could become an all-inclusive package.
I have a BEV (E-Scooter) that I also use in winter. It's really struggeling to get up the hill to the neighboring village with all the skiing gear. The reason I use it is to save parking costs and I can put on all the gear at home so I don't have to change outside. Out of the battery, you get maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of the usable capacity at degrees below 0. It's not that the battery is clinically dead, but the voltage drops too much to provide the inefficient hub motor with enough power. Out of the 500W nominal, maybe 150 to 250W are typically available. I wonder how long it lasts..bought it in 2022 and it already has the second traction battery (BEVangelists always tell us that batteries automagically last for decades as soon as you put them on wheels). When the weather is bad (e.g. too snowy for a 2wheeler), I take my gasoline car. It doesn't struggle at all, and 100% power is available.
E-Scooters are great little toys, but they lack the battery conditioning that cars have, so when it gets really cold, most energy that is stored in the battery becomes inaccessible until it gets warmer. There's a good reason EVs have battery heating.
@@valuemastery external battery heating will waste energy and diminish the range further. Besides, due to the higher internal resistance at cold temperatures, batteries will heat themselves up under load.
@@svr5423 Exactly! Very nice to finally meet someone with a good understanding of what goes on in electrical drive trains. I'd like to add, that it does make a difference if the battery is heated by current flowing through its own impedance, or by an external heat pump. If you rely on the battery heating up itself, it will not only take much longer, but it will waste exactly the amount of energy that goes into the heat. Modern EVs heat up the battery using a heat pump, where they can put 2 to 2.5 kWh worth of heat into the battery for every 1 kWh they draw out of the battery. Additionally, when the battery gets warmer, stored energy that is partly inaccessible in the cold battery partly makes up for the used energy to heat the battery (in terms of range, of coourse not in terms of energy usage - still energy is wasted). Of course you can heat your battery while still connected to the wallbox before you start your drive, so it doesn't cost any range.
I saw someone in an electric car on the interstate yesterday. They were bundled up in thick winter clothing, and would change lanes to get the lowest possible spot to climb a hill on. It looked like a miserable experience in a car for a road trip.
I just drove 5 hrs to go home for Xmas in my diesel. 4am start driving in the dark, ice cold, horrendous freezing rain and sleet all the way, I made the journey non stop on 1/4 of a tank with the same fuel consumption as usual, in a nice warm cab wearing a tee shirt. [no hassles and no bother]
I took a quick trip from central VA to DC last weekend. I filled up Friday evening, put 352 miles on my ICE, using all the heat needed, and arrived home with a quarter tank remaining. The heaters were on the entire time with it never getting above freezing and snowing Saturday morning and being 16F when getting home.
@gerbre1 no you can't. That woukd require a perfect weather range of 469 (352/.75) to arrive home with a quarter of range remaining, 550 miles when factoring in a 15% loss due to the cold. That's being generous. Feel free to reply with a list of EVs with 550 miles of real-world range (not EPA or WLTP fantasy numbers) that can be bought at prices comparable to an ICE.
I wonder how many people in areas that get some ‘proper’ winter weather are going to die this year? Once that battery goes you can’t even get out of it, let alone keep warm until some comes to rescue you.
I’m in Torbay, Devon, UK, I use a cheap electric bike to get around town and the local country lanes. The battery is dying really fast now it’s winter and it’s not that cold here by the sea. The range in summer was 30-40 miles to 1 bar on the battery but now I barely get 15 -20 miles out of it.
The same happens to EVs: range goes down LOWER than half. But it's worse: you also spend lots of electricity to heat up the cabin (and the battery needs automatic heating too!). So if you do stop-to-stop driving then you have to heat up the car over and over, after every stop's cooldown...without any miles gained so you can actually use up your whole battery for only a handful of miles!
I also use electric bike all around the year. Range loss is negligible in winter (much colder and lot snowier than in UK). But I keep battery(ies) as much as possible at room temperature.
@ What battery do you have? Mine is a fairly cheap bike with a front hub motor, Shimano nexus hub gears etc - I bought two shop returns for £150, mechanically sorted them both and sold one for £300 so this one was free. A Bosch motor and battery are probably a lot better than my no name chinese ones. I do love riding the thing locally but I rode a customer’s Bosch bottom bracket motored Trek a few months ago after I fitted new brake pads and it was completely amazing compared to mine but at a huge cost.
I am meant to get 270 mile range, but in winter, not even in the minus range, I can not make it to my sons University which is 210 miles away, I even had to turn the heat off!
Have you done an actual comparison and measurement how many miles you gain by turning heating off? And when you need a charging stop anyway, why not drive in comfort?
@@Spectrum-of-Truth Thanks for reporting back. So the range loss due to heating is very moderate; no need to turn heating off. Most range loss in the cold comes not from heating the passenger cabin, but from heating up the battery, and due to increased electrical impedance of the cold battery. Now consider that headlights at night draw about 40 watts of power, while heating draws 1000 to 1500 watts. So if heating reduced range by 4%, turning lights on reduces it by only 0.1%.
@valuemastery In summer, I can get 270 miles range no issue, but now the fact I can only make 210 miles to my sons Uni as long as I keep the heat off and I do mostly motorway driving at 70 and then I will make it with zero percent range with turtle mode engaged for the last 3 miles, then I have to wait 40 mins to get a full charge to get back home and then I have to do the same again. I never had to think about this when I had a diesel, I would make it there and back and go to work all weak on 1 tank of fuel, but now I have to concentrate, yes I could stop for another quick ten min charge but then that means I have had to stop 4 times just to fuel up.
@@Spectrum-of-Truth If you can't make 210 miles why don't you charge only 10% for 5 minutes on the way and continue to drive to the Uni and charge somewhere there to full? Same for the retour.
Merry Christmas 🎄 Mguy from England. Great video, as always 👍 (Whacka mole with battery cells 😂😂😂--oh my days---what crazy conversations we have these days 🤔 . Welcome to the 'common sense' of the 21st century)
Imagine being late for your own funeral, because your hearse spent three hours recharging Still at least the crew wpuld be so hopped up on the charger coffees that they would get the manual coffin bearing done quickly. I imagine a bit like a benny hill outro😊
Sorry...as a person who has an ear disease that has issues with movement. So something that is cool but static would help. If not I can only listen and watch the video.
Thanks Simon for all your hard work on the channel. I know your channels is successful when mainstream companies put ads throughout the presentation that can’t be fast forwarded frustrating but they don’t do that to channels that don’t have great viewership and subscriptions so well done and have a safe and happy Christmas, regards Malcolm New Zealand
Live in Arizona USA. Ride a electric cycle and even the maker of the bike suggests keeping the battery inside and not out in freezing weather thankfully that does not happen often.
EV makers: Don't worry everybody, you can just replace the broken module. Every other electronic appliance ever to have been created: never mix old batteries with new ones. Wait a minute...
Each module is monitored separately by the car's battery management system (voltage and temperature), there's also battery balancing used by the BMS. That's why this works in an EV. Would be a nightmare not to be able to repair a battery just due to a single defective module.
So the lithium cells at nominal 4.2V are arranged in series modules to give a higher voltage? Those modules are connected in parallel to provide enough traction current. So when the module detects one bad cell it shuts the module down. But the characteristics of the modules change over time to give slightly different discharge curves? Are there DC-DC power converters to compensate for this? That’s a lot of power electronics in a small space!! Hot chips eventually suffer breakdown so unless makers allow modules to be swapped and repaired cheaply by third party or competent DIY owners EVs are basically dead after the first few modules have swapped. A traditional car is technically rebuild able by competent mechanic. An electric car seems as solid as its battery. The latest EVs have a battery housing as an integral chassis floor. I can’t understand how anything but specialist and expensive overhaul is possible.
@@sullivanrachael Yes, exactly. The cells are arranged in series to give the needed voltage (400 or 800 Volts), and modules are arranged in parallel to provide current and capacity. In this arrangement, of course the module with the lowest capacity left determines the capacity of the whole battery pack. This is why, when swapping out a defective module, ideally a module is chosen that fits the remaining capacities of the good modules to not waste any capacity. This strategy also reduces repair cost, since modules from older batteries can be re-used to repair defective batteries of similar age / usage.
Amusing to see the Hertz animated headline in their ad on that website window, “35% off on EV hire”! I thought they sold all their Tesla’s and cancelled the long standing order for 100,000 more! Apologies, I hadn’t reached the 9 minute mark when I commented as Simon covers that point.
I read a story about a guy having to make a trip in cold weather. He knew the trip required a change to get back home and he wanted to charge at maximum speed. Consequently he started to precondition the battery at 40% SOC when the battery was at temperature he had u 25% of the charge. So in cold weather you can “waste” quite a lot of electricity just to be able to charge with a reasonable speed. I can’t find an equivalent situation using fossil fuel where you have to use what is remaining to be able to fill up fast.
There is an EV owner in Winnipeg, Canada. They have temperatures from -31F to 95F. He has no issues at all with the car in the cold and he saves $5000 a year.
The only inconvenience I have with my ICE is occasionally I have to wait for the car in front to refuel (all of 3 minutes) as most ICE cars sold in Australia have refuelling on the LHS of the vehicle. If mine was on the RHS, I would virtually never have to wait a second!
Not only is the battery massively compromised in freezing conditions but they're very heavy. The worst combination in snow and ice! Driving an EV in these conditions is a terrible idea. A small 4x4 petrol or diesel would be more sensible.
Charging an electric vehicle inside a garage in order to keep it warm doesn't sound like a terribly good idea to me. Especially not if the garage is attached to the house.
I have a 2002 Saab and in winter I can crank up the heater without any problems at all. In fact the cold air gives a better range than hot air going into the engine and my intercooler is much more efficient.
The Nissan Leaf will do a excellent job of the cremation, because it burns at a lot higher than a crematorium which is only goes up to about 1,100c, a EV is more than double that.
Now that holiday time is here, and I am at home, I just found out both my neighbour houses have two electric vehicles each, and both are in fully enclosed carports.
I remember the fancy new cop cars in australia a few years back, when it got hot the windows and doors started opening and closing non stop. They never learn.
I was wrong about the Nissan Leaf - it DOES have a Li Ion battery, so cremation en route is definitely an option! 🎄 Merry Christmas! 🎄
Thanks I hate it! 😃
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The background is very distracting. Not a good idea.
Optional cremation AND hours of downtime whilst charging? 😂
The irony of dying in the freezing cold in an EV due to a dead battery when you bought the EV to prevent so called "global warming".
🤣 ain’t irony great!
EVs pollute the planet but the tailpipe is just in another country so that's ok! EVangelist conveniently ignore this fact.
Sorry, the goalposts are over there now. It's "climate change", because global warming was obviously a load of EV poop.
You can't make this 💩 up, right?😂😂😂. Great comment👍
What global warming. We are headed into an ice age.
December. This is one of the peculiarly dangerous months to drive around in an EV. The others are July, January, September, April, November, May, March, June, October, August, and February.
Your comment made me smile, Thanks for the post! Perfect!
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I am an Alaskan. I cannot understand why ANYBODY in Alaska or Canada or the cold parts of the northern Lower 48 would even consider buying an EV. They totally suck in cold weather. They could literally kill you if things went bad. There is a thing called "virtue signalling" and there is another thing called "stupid signalling".
I’m from Finland. Been wondering the same here. But the woke “green” brain rot runs deep in many people.
@@patrickmcguire4617 - as a Norwegian, I agree with you. Not because of the cold, we have that too. But because of the distances and infrastructure in those parts of the world.
Same thing in remote parts of Norway, non-EVs reign supreme.
But for anyone else EVs work without any issues in winter. Car fires are not an issue either.
You are speaking g from your extensive experience with EVs, right?
@@TroySavary Sounds like he is. Can you point to where you imagine he's wrong? Have you ever been to Alaska in winter?
I live in Finnmark, Norway and this could not be more true. I had an EV supplied by work. -30*c or lower and the range was reduced in half easily. Granted this was back in 2021 but it severely shocked me.
Park your vehicle in a GARAGE !!! This will keep your HOME incredibly warm when the battery fails and turns the garage into an inferno !!
EV's with all that computer power and data and internet connection. Computer goes: "My battery over temperature sensors are going super HOT mode, Oh Oh, I'm on fire! Should I text my owner?? ? ? ? - Ohhhh, he wont like me. "
Here main stream lies (what used to be called news and is now lies) claim that diesel and petrol engine cars is more prone to fires then EV`s.... The lies in main stream media is just getting more and more ridiculous. And in some countries now you risk 2 ears in prison if you say ANYTHING negative about EV`s....
Great advice 👍🏻
Even better, just make a fire with the EV and get rid of it.
@@mddell24 Sadly, these vehicles don’t seem to have any provisions for detecting that they’re on fire or even extremely hot. I suggest that we can thank Elon Musk, principally, for that.
Under your children's bedrooms will save you the cost of college educations😢
You have full control of an ICE vehicle.
An EV has full control of you.
With purpose
You loose some control but you get some anxiety. What a bargain.
No you don’t ! They are about to tax them out of existence
One of the EV experts pointed out that one advantage of the EV in winter was the ability to remotely pre heat the cabin , clear the windows and no need to run the engine while scraping the windows. I agree. The ability to plug your ICE car into an outside power source and be able to remotely heat the cabin, defrost the front and rear windows and pre heat up your engine would also be an ideal addition to ICE cars used in colder climates.
That's not true. Newer ICEs suffer from the same controllability issues as EVs. Ask anyone who drives a new ICE how annoying it is to have push button starters, wireless key fobs, forced to press the brake to start the vehicle, see that stupid safety warning on the center console everytime you start the vehicle, hear the alarm when your seatbelt isn't on, fight the lane assist on the highway, fight the automatic lights at night so you aren't blinding everybody at night, unlock your doors because the car automatically locks them when it gets moving, put the car in park because the gear selector is a button and the computer decides when it actually goes into park, change the radio station without looking because everything is a touchscreen computer, adjust the AC without looking because again everything is a touchscreen computer, connect to bluetooth because the car won't let you connect unless the car is in park even if you're a passenger. These are all common issues with ICEs. Speaking as a pro ICE guy.
Hertz should run a lottery.
1st prize gets a free Tesla.
2nd prize gets 2 😅
If the lottery is mandatory, I'm not hiring a Hertz ever again. "Scary Lottery".
I would not have an EV even if it was free...
How cynical but how true 😂😂😂👍
2nd prize gets all of them!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Consolation prize is a 2 weeks EV winter holiday to Santa’s official North Pole residence with the option to stay another week if the EV dies there.
Last winter there were tons of videos showing EV's that turned into bricks and entire charging stations that didn't work.
I have friends in the Chicago suburbs. They told me there were numerous EVs completely bricked because it was a normal, legendarily cold Michigan winter, which can easily kill your.
It seems nobody involved in the “cutting edge technology” of EVs seems to heard of Arrhenius. For every fall in temperature of 10 *C, the reaction rates of chemical reactions halves. Equally, a 10*C increased is associated with a doubling of reaction rates.
This is an iron law. It’ll always be true.
The only way an EV could work at all in a Chicago winter is if a sizeable chunk of the already reduced stored capacity in the traction battery is used to heat up that battery. It’s a big thing, a semi metallic lump weighing several hundred. Imagine the electrical energy required to warm that up :)
By stark contrast, ICE cars generate heat as a byproduct of running. Instead of throwing away waste heat, it’s redirected to make the drivers and passengers cosy, including when caught in tailbacks on the highway or Interstate😊
You won’t be surprised to learn that my American friends drive big capacity ICE vehicles.
Yep, and there’s going to be even more of those videos this year 😂😂
lol When he said 'winter' and 'EV's', I said 'Chicago' and in my head was that exact picture you're talking about, people PUSHING their EV's to the charger and then finding out it was too cold FOR THE CHARGER!
On that day EV's were DONE.
@@GT380manyou got it backwards. ICE produces motion as a byproduct of heating. That’s why they are so inefficient.
@@brendykes1202 That's not fully true, however. The expansion of heated air produces a lot of an ICEs power, but most comes from the volume expansion of fluids turned into gas from the chemical reaction. You are right however about the inefficiency. Even if some of the heat can be used to heat the cabin, most is thrown away.
I dislike EVs that much, I wouldn't even be seen dead in that EV hearse.
Haha!
They are a dangerous toxic abomination that will destroy the planet
Mind you, it could save money on the crematorium. 😊
Owning an EV is like paying the price for a stay at the Ritz Carlton while sleeping in a Motel 6.
I stay at Motel 6 or Eazy8 if i get rich
or the local no-tell-motel...check for bugs...
No. Motel 6 includes unlimited heat and air conditioning. Use as much as you want!
@@1225KPH lol OK that was better than mine!
@@1225KPH
One night at the Ritz Carlton will get you three nights at a Motel 6.
Love these stories. EVs prove everyday how wonderful ICE vehicles are.
That's why I will never switch back to ICEs.
Ice vehicles are better than ev-s but not as good as vehicles powered by steam engines.
I live in Canada. One of the coldest cities on the planet. Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. 🇨🇦 You’d have to be bonkers to drive an EV here. Up here it’s cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey!
Sorry to break it to you but that is nowhere near one of the coldest cities on the planet my town in the Rocky Mountains regularly gets -30 C
Are there a lot of EVs in Canada? Does the Canadian government also force to buy EVs? Thank you for your answer! Greetings from Europe.
NEW FLYER is building E-buses in Winnipeg with 38 million in government grants
Yeah, someone is crazy for sure
@@Quatorze1516no. We are not forced to purchase EVs. I live in an area of Canada that can see temps below -30C. Will I ever purchase an EV? Not likely. My safety and dependability means I will not give up my ICE suv.
@@just8310Sorry to break it to you comrade, but over here in Oymyakon, -30 C, is shorts and T shirt weather.😉
With 8 billion on the planet facing forced transition into substandard EV's mostly due to self imposed ignorance, this channel should have at least 100 million subscribers.
Don't use AC in summer
Don't use heat in winter
Don't use lights in night
Easy enough ?
And above all never ever use "De-mist" mode (heat and cooling) to de-mist the windows to see the traffic :(
use all of it without being concerned in the slightest. 500km of range is about $5 and AC/heating makes very little difference.
@@jamesf3683
You bought one didn't you....? 😳
😂
@@douglasb.5601 😆
@@jamesf3683 Yes but how much did you spend to achieve that $5 for 500Km? And we all know that 500Km in an EV really means 250Km!
I'm the proud owner of 3 supercharged V8 vehicles. I'll never let them go... Merry Christmas MGUY!! 🎄
I hope your neibour is an EVangelist and you let ‘em hear the rubble ever AM
living your best life !
@@Trunorth420So you advocate being a rude douchebag. Great idea. That will make everyone love V8s
💪
You will when the Danish model come to you. I pay more in taxes for a 2010 Citroen c4 GP than i do fuel.
Back when I was starving college student I drove a clunker. In the Summer of the air conditioner broke. I couldn't afford to fix it. So I drove with the windows down. It was workable.
But then in the winter the heat broke. And I thought hey I'm wearing a winter coat anyway. I have gloves. Why do I need heat? How cold could it get in a car anyway?
Well the answer is it gets as cold as your refrigerator. And then later on it gets as cold as your freezer.
Now if you were wearing a parka and gloves and a scarf then walking for a half an hour through the cold can be okay. Mostly because you're walking. Burning energy. Producing heat. But I'll tell you sitting in a frozen car and driving for 45 minutes is absolute killer.
I can handle no air conditioning in the summer. But after a week I gave up the heatless winter experience.
It is insanely unpleasant to drive in a car which is too cold. You think you can tolerate it for a few minutes because you do that when you get first get into the car. While the car is heating. But the cold gets really old really fast.
It's barbaric to not have heat in the vehicle. To expect the people would willingly forgo heat.
Whatever pinhead who wrote that moronic article should be obligated to drive to work and home everyday with an unheated car until he pens a fully repentant retraction in whatever rag he writes for
Thanks for telling this true story. I drove a Chevrolet Corvair without heat one winter and even with sheepskin boots up to my knees I couldn't keep warm. But I was young and broke.
Thank you for posting this. Merry Christmas!
@@kathym6603I had a Corvair in my college days in Florida. Not much cold weather and a good thing. When I used the heater the cabin filled with smoke and oil smell…..Yuck.
West Midlands UK, I do early morning work, out at 05:30. Can't be doing with that scraping and shivering.
If frost is forecast, I switch on my previously setup fan heater and switch it on when I get up. Fifteen minutes later I'm out the door and away, engine is getting warm by the time I need more heat. Really only necessary three-four? weeks of the year December to January, then occasionally February to March
Yes, I did searing heat conditions and freezing when young and got excited about climbing Mt Everest. I am not even interested in climbing Mt Everest or crossing the Sahara these days.
I like the normal background. The moving things are distracting. Love your work, have a great Christmas from Perth WA.
Perhaps he could greenscreen so he's sat in a wingback next to a fireplace and the fire changes to whichever EV model is combusting that week?
Yes. No need to change somthing that works very well.
Yes, I agree and relate to this entire comment. Luckily we in Perth will never have to be concerned with that horribly cold and wet white stuff.
I swear that the electric viking bloke is full of BS, I have an electric car, and 100 percent agree with your channel. You can lose up to 80 mile range in winter easily!
He is a disinformation agent. Never mentions anything negative and all talks up what will happen in the future.
Yeah …he is an activist….biased as hell
He has an ‘insane game changing’ new battery every few days! If EVs improved this fast they be using them on the moon!
He must be EV financed.
He's an CCP paid stooge.
Self driving cars don't work in Winter either.
Or windy conditions; or wet conditions, or hilly conditions, or hauling conditions; or hot conditions.
Or any other conditions!
I heard they were called "self-destruction cars"
They claim human driven cars destroy the environment, its just rediculous why we then need empty cars driving around going to pick up people. Will just nice parking into the roads.
When I get stuck in the deep ruts in the ice on the streets, my car drives itself, it goes where ever it wants to go.
Tip from wise man in China: The key to driving car with no heat in cold temps: Leave the windows open so the windows don't condense and frost over. Sounds so fun! Unbelievable!
Someone who plows snow already knows this trick. Been doing that under certain circumstances for 50 years with ICE vehicles as well.
But EV drivers use the heater.
Here in NZ some idiots believe that driving with your lights off will save battery. In theory it does, but only about 200 metres of range an hour.
So we have these idiots driving with fogged up windows and no lights!
Right. Same with people turning off heating in their EVs during winter. It of course takes much more energy than the lights, but still like nothing when compared to the power that goes into the electric motors. These people are just uneducated and act from their false beliefs.
A moving background is distracting.
Agreed - it's horrible. I feel seasick.
Agree. The motion is disturbing. Seems the background would be pleasant if still.
Close your eyes then
And free Hertz advertising in the first article.
@@unnamedchannel1237judging by the increasing number of shunts going on, most drivers do.
A Type 2 1960's VW bus has a range of about 600 miles, just for comparison. Kind of why they were popular then with hippies and travellers.
The air cooled engine heaters were nothing to brag about😁❄️
@@myparadiseonbantayanisland9030 They were really loud. We had a 1969 VW minibus.
In my life I owned at least 3 VW bugs and 2 buses, one was a camper. Loved those vehicles, would still have one today but now they're classics & cost a fortune. They were comfortable for long trips, had incredibly good suspensions, were fun to drive & cheap to maintain, got good gas mileage- but of course no A/C. Those were the days!
@@myparadiseonbantayanisland9030 We made em work fine. It ducted hot air off the engine exhaust. If it's ducts get disconnect, you can easily connect them again. Unlike EVs, almost everyone could fix them.
EV = 🚽
MGUY = Rules🤘
MGUY Voice of Sanity!
Congratulations Sir! 🧡
Had my old Honda Accord for ten years. It had been round the clock 3 times had one new Head Gasket (self Fitted) and 2 new Batteries. No Electric windows or bells and whistles and fully self serviceable. It's now a Classic and the new owner has her back in pristine condition with the original Engine still in use. I bet there won't be many EV's that make it a year, let alone decades of service. merry Christmas to everyone from a gloomy U.K.
There is an 123 year old EV running in the UK.
🎄Merry Christmas to all of you sane people that see through the EV scam🎄
I already have one controlling device in my pocket, I don't want to drive one as well.
EV’s are just hopeless, period.
MGUY, well done on the growth of your channel, you’re doing a great job spreading awareness on the scam that are EVs.
EVs are great, period.
Electric propulsion works very well in trains for example. You need to be connected to electric wires.
not only do I not drive, but I am unable to drive at all. but I am still happy to be a subscriber, such is my fascination with this subject. may you and your channel continue to prosper in 2025.
If I'm being honest I prefer your kitchen cabinets. It reminds me of those which were common when I lived in Australia.
Thanks for all your work in making these videos.
Latest is that the UK government is "Reviewing" it's 2030 EV mandates. I'm certain that this will mean postponing them as I've predicted.
I'm off to Scotland from the south of England in early January in my 1987 di transit. It's a 1000-mile round trip. That's 2.5 tanks of diesel with the heater at what ever temperature I want. It's only been around the world twice so far.
There is an EV that really has been driven around the Earth two times, so what's your point?
Merry Christmas. 550,000 lithium batteries recalled. FAA says lithium fires are up over 300% 🎉
FAA? Didn't know they have EPs. ( electric planes).
@@bmw803 "your parcel is aboard a ship... please wait 6 months..."
lot of little electronic doodads being shipped globally by PLANE.
This video is about EVs.
@@gerbre1 well done
Merry Christmas from a friend in the states.
ICE vehicles for everyone.
Cheers
MGUY for PM!!! A sensible lawyer.
He failed as a lawyer hence now a RUclips
@@steve_is_my_name
Ah, but diversity is our strength.
@@steve_is_my_nameJealousy is never a good look lil feller
And Australian based RUclipsr.
He is best fit as our PM, who said you can charge your car by solar power in nighttime. MGUY is equally stupid who keep his cell phone in his pocket and do not fear of fire and losing his testes but start talking nonsense to scare others from evs with the same batteries.
Just drove from Bristol, UK to Tata, Hungary for the holidays. About 1100m/1700km, done with a diesel Toyota Avensis, fully loaded with kids and everything my wife could stuff in the boot. Total journey took us 2 days cos we stopped for the night, but the actual driving time was 18hrs, we had to no adjust anything on the way, where to go to find charging, how fast can i drive, how many phones the kids charge in the car, the heating was on all the way, when i needed fuel it took me 5 min than back on the road. Stopped twice for fuel!
climate zealots would tell you take the train or bicycle, while they fly. The Bartender got caught at La guardia coming from DC. The answer was, I need to be home to my constituents on time. 🤔
With a modern EV that trip would took you two days. The actual driving time would be 18.5 hours including charging stops. Driving a modern EV would be a much greater pleasure.
@@gerbre1 so ur saying with 1 full charge and a 30 min top up i could drive 1700km with an ev car? Somehow i don't think that's possible.
The austrian post replaced their ICE cars with ev's. The postmen are furious because they just cannot switch the heater on, and of course, the range is much smaller. Well done Austrian post!
Did Aust Post say delivery times are subject to battery charge!!!
@douglaswasley1461 😂😂
And waste part of the day charging!
Postmen don't drive long distances. With a modern EV it doesn't matter if the heater is running or not.
@@gerbre1 Why make excuses for a bad product.
I find the moving background really distracting.
Ok.
I don't.
Get over it buttercup
Merry Christmas! Love the channel
When I was doing my 1000km+ drive home from Münich with my EV after purchasing it, in the winter, I could do about 20-35 minutes per charge. It was an i3 with the 18,8 kWh battery, and driving at 130 km/h with a cold battery it just couldn't do any better. But that was only thanks to it having the ICE range extender.
Then when it would charge ok that was done in about 20 minutes (plus the 10 minutes to dig yourself through the snow to the charger & get the charging to start...). And this was when charging stations were in a convenient place...if not I'd have to stop to charge well before the battery was empty just to ensure I could make it to the next one. I was constantly on my phone looking for chargers as I drove.
By the way, the i3 refuses to turn on cabin heating until the battery has been charged sufficiently, so it wasn't fun to sit in the car with wet feet (from having to trek through the snow to get the charging cable connected) in a freezing car. Over and over again...
EV sounds like FUN
Got Rid of it Yet ?
@@vincecarloI only had it for half a year. Our company got a new factory 350km away and I had to go there approx. biweekly. I rented ICE cars to get there mostly, after horrible experiences with the EV: hardly any chargers in that direction, and when even one of them was out of order it made things touch-and-go. There were no chargers in that small town so I could charge it overnight either.
Then the battery cooling system of the car broke, and it took a month for them to first find qualified EV specialists, then diagnose the problem with the help of BMW HQ, then disassemble half the car to fix it. Make sure your EVs are under warranty! I'm sure it would've cost double what an ICE engine swap costs... (I had warranty)
Luckily thanks to the subsidies I made money when I sold it (unfortunately society as a whole suffers from those subsidies, and therefore I will eventually as well).
Old EV models in old times, who cares.
@ Incorrect. Still very much technically on par with today's EVs, just with a smaller battery (but the REx compensates for that).
@@pistonburner6448 What other car model refuses to start heating?
One cold winter day with a lot of snow in Sweden it was a 20km long queue with cars stuck for about 24h.
Got a link for that? 20km is crazy!
24h in a queue is crazy, wether you're in an ICE or an EV. Hope they had enough gas in their tanks and energy in their batteries for such a nightmare. On a Tesla Model Y LR, 24h of continuous heating would suck about 60% out of the battery!
Talking to an electrician who has to drive an ID Buzz commercial, its running at nearly max weight and the best mileage he’s ever reached is 150 miles in the summer and 120/130 in the winter. He’s not impressed.
If that's enough for his daily runs, and he recharges it at home, it's not bad. Cheaper than gas, but it all depends how much more he paid vs a gas minivan
last winter in chicago taught enough people how great EV's are in winter.they were 50k $ paperweights.
I got into a Tesla Uber in the dead of winter once. Driver was sitting in there in a knee length bubble Canada Goose down coat, zipped to the neck with the hood over a fleece hat and winter mitts on his hands. He looked ready for an Antarctic expedition. Heat was off and the inside was cold as a butcher's freezer. He refused to turn on the heat because he was conserving battery. In order to avoid a low rating, he had a back up sob story about how he lost his job and was trying to support his family.
Before the Tesla, he had an ICE age car and was driving naked in the winter.
@@steve_is_my_name
Your proof of this can be located….where?
@johnnieboy5381 on MISINFORMATION GUYS channel. I love the way ICE age fanboys who have never driven an EV always ask for proof. How many ICE age cars don't even start on a cold morning 🤔 🤣
Halfway to your destination did he say "I am just going outside and may be some time"?
@@johnnieboy5381There's this thing called humour. You may have heard of it.
Your cremation joke was brilliant!
Merry Christmas to you all.
Merry Christmas, All from the UK🎄
Merry Christmas
500 miles is NOT a Road Trip !!!!
It would be in England 😂
Don't you know it, got a daughter 950 miles away we do it in around 15 hrs with a refill about half way gives us plenty of reserve for traffic jams, detours etc.
An EV recharging would add considerable time. Without worrying about range, getting stuck in the outback. Because none of the chargers work 🤔
I can do that trip on one tank in my 25 year old minivan, with plenty of gas to spare.
Depends on the culture. In European countries it's a long road trip.
It is in Canada!
" The Global EV market is set for explosive growth " . . . did anyone else notice that line ?
Explosive...as in diarrhea?
There is no better way to engage in virtue signalling than to shut off your heater and be cold while driving around during the winter!
They then shut off the cooling in summer and swelter. Sounds very inviting, NOT.
Don’t like the background it doesn’t work, merry Christmas and thanks for your hard work
Most coffins require a minimum of four bearers. Do they follow on e-bikes? Or are the family expected to do the carrying.
Early this year, my uncle was transported to the crematorium in an EV hearse, based on a Tesla model S. It did occur to me then that it could become an all-inclusive package.
My mothers hearse was a diesel Mercedes. The noisiest part of the vehicle were the tyres on the wet road.
sometimes i play with the idea of getting hold of an old 69 cadillac hearse... pimp it up... low rider...
change my name to "blackman"....
I have a BEV (E-Scooter) that I also use in winter.
It's really struggeling to get up the hill to the neighboring village with all the skiing gear. The reason I use it is to save parking costs and I can put on all the gear at home so I don't have to change outside.
Out of the battery, you get maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of the usable capacity at degrees below 0. It's not that the battery is clinically dead, but the voltage drops too much to provide the inefficient hub motor with enough power.
Out of the 500W nominal, maybe 150 to 250W are typically available.
I wonder how long it lasts..bought it in 2022 and it already has the second traction battery (BEVangelists always tell us that batteries automagically last for decades as soon as you put them on wheels).
When the weather is bad (e.g. too snowy for a 2wheeler), I take my gasoline car. It doesn't struggle at all, and 100% power is available.
E-Scooters are great little toys, but they lack the battery conditioning that cars have, so when it gets really cold, most energy that is stored in the battery becomes inaccessible until it gets warmer. There's a good reason EVs have battery heating.
@@valuemastery external battery heating will waste energy and diminish the range further.
Besides, due to the higher internal resistance at cold temperatures, batteries will heat themselves up under load.
@@svr5423 Exactly! Very nice to finally meet someone with a good understanding of what goes on in electrical drive trains.
I'd like to add, that it does make a difference if the battery is heated by current flowing through its own impedance, or by an external heat pump. If you rely on the battery heating up itself, it will not only take much longer, but it will waste exactly the amount of energy that goes into the heat. Modern EVs heat up the battery using a heat pump, where they can put 2 to 2.5 kWh worth of heat into the battery for every 1 kWh they draw out of the battery. Additionally, when the battery gets warmer, stored energy that is partly inaccessible in the cold battery partly makes up for the used energy to heat the battery (in terms of range, of coourse not in terms of energy usage - still energy is wasted).
Of course you can heat your battery while still connected to the wallbox before you start your drive, so it doesn't cost any range.
I saw someone in an electric car on the interstate yesterday. They were bundled up in thick winter clothing, and would change lanes to get the lowest possible spot to climb a hill on. It looked like a miserable experience in a car for a road trip.
"how can i suffer more while also causing more harm to the planet? i know, i'll get an EV." - liberals
"Will it cremate you on the way?" That was a beer out the nose comment. Have to clean my keyboard!
I hope those suffering from smoke inhalation in Chattanooga are legally savvy, because EV fire fumes are extremely carcinogenic.
I just drove 5 hrs to go home for Xmas in my diesel.
4am start driving in the dark, ice cold, horrendous freezing rain and sleet all the way,
I made the journey non stop on 1/4 of a tank with the same fuel consumption as usual, in a nice warm cab wearing a tee shirt.
[no hassles and no bother]
We're you listening to Chris Rea ?
Nice fairytale story (same fuel consumption).
_"Some of the latest EVs boast driving ranges of over 500 miles"_ - 'boast' is the operative word here.
I took a quick trip from central VA to DC last weekend. I filled up Friday evening, put 352 miles on my ICE, using all the heat needed, and arrived home with a quarter tank remaining. The heaters were on the entire time with it never getting above freezing and snowing Saturday morning and being 16F when getting home.
You can do the same with a modern EV.
@gerbre1 no you can't. That woukd require a perfect weather range of 469 (352/.75) to arrive home with a quarter of range remaining, 550 miles when factoring in a 15% loss due to the cold. That's being generous. Feel free to reply with a list of EVs with 550 miles of real-world range (not EPA or WLTP fantasy numbers) that can be bought at prices comparable to an ICE.
Sorry, but did you mean Virginia to Washington? That‘s around 110 miles.
Merry Christmas ... "and thanks for all the fish"
Christmas present suggestion for EV drivers,
Snow Suit,
A Trailer ,
A Generator,
Also a normal car to follow.
You forgot the fuel for the generator..
You forgot the fuel for the generator
I have a PV system for our house on the list. We'll install it this summer, and then drive at zero power cost during summers.
I wonder how many people in areas that get some ‘proper’ winter weather are going to die this year? Once that battery goes you can’t even get out of it, let alone keep warm until some comes to rescue you.
I wonder how many people die in a fossil car when they drive with half a tank of fossil fuel?
Just put your EV in hibernation mode and wake it up in the spring.
I find the moving background distracting.
Other than that, Merry Christmas form Canada
Nissan Leaf Hearse - real life crematorium.
there were 3 broken down on m40 last sunday... shame.
Merry Christmas MGUY have a Great and Relaxing Day
I’m in Torbay, Devon, UK, I use a cheap electric bike to get around town and the local country lanes. The battery is dying really fast now it’s winter and it’s not that cold here by the sea. The range in summer was 30-40 miles to 1 bar on the battery but now I barely get 15 -20 miles out of it.
The same happens to EVs: range goes down LOWER than half. But it's worse: you also spend lots of electricity to heat up the cabin (and the battery needs automatic heating too!). So if you do stop-to-stop driving then you have to heat up the car over and over, after every stop's cooldown...without any miles gained so you can actually use up your whole battery for only a handful of miles!
On a bicycle you at least still have pedals.
@ Yes!
I also use electric bike all around the year. Range loss is negligible in winter (much colder and lot snowier than in UK). But I keep battery(ies) as much as possible at room temperature.
@ What battery do you have? Mine is a fairly cheap bike with a front hub motor, Shimano nexus hub gears etc - I bought two shop returns for £150, mechanically sorted them both and sold one for £300 so this one was free.
A Bosch motor and battery are probably a lot better than my no name chinese ones. I do love riding the thing locally but I rode a customer’s Bosch bottom bracket motored Trek a few months ago after I fitted new brake pads and it was completely amazing compared to mine but at a huge cost.
If one of the one hundred sensors says 'not safe to operate' you're screwed, even with a full battery.
Extreme temperatures are ev worse enemies.
Extreme temperatures are fossil cars worst enemies.
Great as always
I am meant to get 270 mile range, but in winter, not even in the minus range, I can not make it to my sons University which is 210 miles away, I even had to turn the heat off!
Have you done an actual comparison and measurement how many miles you gain by turning heating off? And when you need a charging stop anyway, why not drive in comfort?
@valuemastery I lost 4 per cent range when I turned the heating on, but because it also gets dark early, the headlights eat into the range too!
@@Spectrum-of-Truth Thanks for reporting back. So the range loss due to heating is very moderate; no need to turn heating off. Most range loss in the cold comes not from heating the passenger cabin, but from heating up the battery, and due to increased electrical impedance of the cold battery.
Now consider that headlights at night draw about 40 watts of power, while heating draws 1000 to 1500 watts. So if heating reduced range by 4%, turning lights on reduces it by only 0.1%.
@valuemastery In summer, I can get 270 miles range no issue, but now the fact I can only make 210 miles to my sons Uni as long as I keep the heat off and I do mostly motorway driving at 70 and then I will make it with zero percent range with turtle mode engaged for the last 3 miles, then I have to wait 40 mins to get a full charge to get back home and then I have to do the same again. I never had to think about this when I had a diesel, I would make it there and back and go to work all weak on 1 tank of fuel, but now I have to concentrate, yes I could stop for another quick ten min charge but then that means I have had to stop 4 times just to fuel up.
@@Spectrum-of-Truth If you can't make 210 miles why don't you charge only 10% for 5 minutes on the way and continue to drive to the Uni and charge somewhere there to full? Same for the retour.
Your doing a great job ,mate.
Great job at telling fairytale stories.
Merry Christmas 🎄 Mguy from England. Great video, as always 👍
(Whacka mole with battery cells 😂😂😂--oh my days---what crazy conversations we have these days 🤔 . Welcome to the 'common sense' of the 21st century)
Imagine being late for your own funeral, because your hearse spent three hours recharging
Still at least the crew wpuld be so hopped up on the charger coffees that they would get the manual coffin bearing done quickly. I imagine a bit like a benny hill outro😊
So the hearse drives 1000 km the funeral.
Sorry...as a person who has an ear disease that has issues with movement. So something that is cool but static would help. If not I can only listen and watch the video.
The bumper sticker on my diesel truck says “My electric vehicle was abandoned in an arroyo.”
Merry christmas, keep up the good work mate.
Thanks Simon for all your hard work on the channel. I know your channels is successful when mainstream companies put ads throughout the presentation that can’t be fast forwarded frustrating but they don’t do that to channels that don’t have great viewership and subscriptions so well done and have a safe and happy Christmas, regards Malcolm New Zealand
Live in Arizona USA. Ride a electric cycle and even the maker of the bike suggests keeping the battery inside and not out in freezing weather thankfully that does not happen often.
EV makers: Don't worry everybody, you can just replace the broken module.
Every other electronic appliance ever to have been created: never mix old batteries with new ones.
Wait a minute...
Yes - mixing cell types / characteristics - very bad idea normally. So why is it okay in an EV? Makes no sense.
@sullivanrachael because the manufacturer doesn't want to replace the whole battery under warranty.
Each module is monitored separately by the car's battery management system (voltage and temperature), there's also battery balancing used by the BMS. That's why this works in an EV. Would be a nightmare not to be able to repair a battery just due to a single defective module.
So the lithium cells at nominal 4.2V are arranged in series modules to give a higher voltage? Those modules are connected in parallel to provide enough traction current. So when the module detects one bad cell it shuts the module down. But the characteristics of the modules change over time to give slightly different discharge curves? Are there DC-DC power converters to compensate for this? That’s a lot of power electronics in a small space!! Hot chips eventually suffer breakdown so unless makers allow modules to be swapped and repaired cheaply by third party or competent DIY owners EVs are basically dead after the first few modules have swapped. A traditional car is technically rebuild able by competent mechanic. An electric car seems as solid as its battery. The latest EVs have a battery housing as an integral chassis floor. I can’t understand how anything but specialist and expensive overhaul is possible.
@@sullivanrachael Yes, exactly. The cells are arranged in series to give the needed voltage (400 or 800 Volts), and modules are arranged in parallel to provide current and capacity. In this arrangement, of course the module with the lowest capacity left determines the capacity of the whole battery pack. This is why, when swapping out a defective module, ideally a module is chosen that fits the remaining capacities of the good modules to not waste any capacity. This strategy also reduces repair cost, since modules from older batteries can be re-used to repair defective batteries of similar age / usage.
They paved Paradise and put up a solar rort.
on and on, the traffic slows, where theyre all heading nobody knows...
Amusing to see the Hertz animated headline in their ad on that website window, “35% off on EV hire”! I thought they sold all their Tesla’s and cancelled the long standing order for 100,000 more! Apologies, I hadn’t reached the 9 minute mark when I commented as Simon covers that point.
I read a story about a guy having to make a trip in cold weather.
He knew the trip required a change to get back home and he wanted to charge at maximum speed.
Consequently he started to precondition the battery at 40% SOC when the battery was at temperature he had u 25% of the charge.
So in cold weather you can “waste” quite a lot of electricity just to be able to charge with a reasonable speed.
I can’t find an equivalent situation using fossil fuel where you have to use what is remaining to be able to fill up fast.
Add some blue to balance the background, and stop the movement.
Or just scrap it.
It was just 9 degrees where I live. It's low 20s now. I have heated seats, and they won't do in those temps. You need the heat.
There is an EV owner in Winnipeg, Canada. They have temperatures from -31F to 95F. He has no issues at all with the car in the cold and he saves $5000 a year.
The only inconvenience I have with my ICE is occasionally I have to wait for the car in front to refuel (all of 3 minutes) as most ICE cars sold in Australia have refuelling on the LHS of the vehicle. If mine was on the RHS, I would virtually never have to wait a second!
Not only is the battery massively compromised in freezing conditions but they're very heavy.
The worst combination in snow and ice!
Driving an EV in these conditions is a terrible idea. A small 4x4 petrol or diesel would be more sensible.
I seldom see an EV in rural Texas.
Charging an electric vehicle inside a garage in order to keep it warm doesn't sound like a terribly good idea to me. Especially not if the garage is attached to the house.
Merry Christmas & thank you MGUY.
HAH,and they compare the lead acid battery in an ICE as being similar....... pfffft.
I have a 2002 Saab and in winter I can crank up the heater without any problems at all. In fact the cold air gives a better range than hot air going into the engine and my intercooler is much more efficient.
Merry Christmas Simon 🎄
The Nissan Leaf will do a excellent job of the cremation, because it burns at a lot higher than a crematorium which is only goes up to about 1,100c, a EV is more than double that.
Merry Christmas to all. 🎉
Now that holiday time is here, and I am at home, I just found out both my neighbour houses have two electric vehicles each, and both are in fully enclosed carports.
Bit distracting
I remember the fancy new cop cars in australia a few years back, when it got hot the windows and doors started opening and closing non stop. They never learn.
Luv the voice you give to the voiceless
Thanks for your Reports , Merry Christmas from perth WA 👍🌲