Hello from Oklahoma! What's sad about this is they were trying to get away from each other but couldn't. Gorilla's like people grow up and strike out on their own. This can't happen in a cage.
Never mind a cage. It happens in any community where something happens and there's a dispute. People just stop talking to each other, and avoid contact, but at least you can have your own private space to retire to, where these poor creatures have nowhere to go. It's a horrible situation, especially when they can't communicate their fears and anxiety.
I BEG TO DIFFER FOR THE SIMPLE FACT IF CAN HAPPEN IN THE WILD JUNGLE IT'S AS WELL IS CAPABLE OF HAPPENING IN A CAGE AND POSSIBLY CAN TURN OUT WORSE THAN BEING IN THE JUNGLE.
Shabani knows his son is getting older and is feeling himself. Shabani is putting him in check. Maybe it's time for the son to go to another enclosure. Kiyomosa looks like a teenager.
In the states it's very routine for zoos to move or loan out animals, including gorillas, for just that reason, but also for breeding purposes. The gorilla Harambe that was tragically killed in Cincinnati when that little boy got into its enclosure was actually on loan from a zoo in Texas, I believe.
In the wild, Kiyomasa would be starting to venture off into bachelor groups.. Its a real shame this is happening.. Probably very stressful on the family.
Kiyomasa has been in Silverback training all his life from Shabani.This is the natural order of things for his growth and for the safety of the troop.We may not like it and Nene& Ai might want it to stop....but Shabani is the leader.Nene will always see Duckie as her baby gorilla.🌻🦍🦍🧡
if its the natural order than why are the females trying to stop it? Seems like those Gorillas have mental problems being in that place and cant do a healthy development.
Annie always stay’s away from the fighting. I’m sure with Annie becoming of Age it has to make Shabani unsettled and also does this Mean that Annie will also have to be moved. She surly can’t mate with her father. I hope Ai has another little one to keep excitement within the group. Nene is old and probably doesn’t have much time left. I know I’m gonna cry when that time comes. Have lots of love for her.
Love this family but we all knew it was coming kiyo is “going” to challenge and we all know Shabani isn’t having none of that! 😂They love each other but It’s natural. I’m just wondering why all the zoos aren’t taking measures to move some of them as they did in the past. They need a set up like they did with Frank! Shabani’s brother is trying to mate with his daughters 😢😖, those 2 need to be moved as does gentaro. I’m sure the zoos are talking and planning something or I hope so!
i agree, this has been my biggest fear that they were going to take too long. once it starts there will be no stopping it and it will end badly. everyone not wanting gentaro to leave yet. i am like move them before its too late. the sons and dads doing a challenge is something no one wants to see. i hope there is a plan in place in case it starts. a zoo in the states the winston troop, a young gorilla just turned silverback challenged the older in charge silverback, its an upsetting video to see but at least they got them seperated before it went too far and had a seperate area to put the young silverback to. very upsetting situation to the troop.
Zoos need to be banned and people need to stop paying money to keep them going. It goes against the grain of nature and the stability of these poor animals.
@RG until the world can effectively stop poachers, zoos are some of the only safe places animals like this have. In the wild the get killed for food and profit.
It’s crazy to see how they have family dynamics like humans basically the son is getting older and has the man of the house feeling and dad is trying to keep him in line and doing little spiteful mean things because it’s his house and mom and big sister is protecting the baby brother and son because they see what dad is doing lol
When gorillas don't eat, there's something going on. The family dynamic definitely seemed off this morning. For his own safety, Kiyomasa needs to head to a bachelor troop for the time being, I think.
You don't put eligible males in a bachelor group unless you have to. Bachelor groups are more for aging males or males that can't live with a female, usually because they are aggressive. It's never good to put a male that you plan to make a group with, in a bachelor group.
@@bigboytoyz541 Not at all true. St. Louis zoo in the US just sent Jontu, a 26 year old siverback, from a bachelor group to a zoo in Chicago where he will be the leader and breeding male for several females. In the wild, gorillas join bachelor groups and may stay there for several years before being able to secure their own females and form a troop. It's strictly a numbers game, Western Lowland gorillas will not accept more than one adult male per group. This leaves more males than females with no family group to go to. In addition, Japan's zoo gorilla population is in a bind right now: Gentaro is growing too old to stay with Momotaro's group, and Haoko's daughters are getting too old to be left with and possibly bred by their father. The Japanese gorilla gene pool is also becoming an issue; an exchange with another country would help diversify the genetics. It's a multifaceted problem that the Japanese zoos have not seemed willing or able to address. They certainly haven't been publicly transparent with any planning or decision making regarding the situation.
@@pamcunningham9608 you are right. Sometimes if there is nowhere else for them to go they will put them in a bachelor group. But usually if they have plans for them they won't. However, like you said, I haven't heard a word about his future. I know they usually won't put him in with a female until he is a silverback, but he may be one completely by the end of the year. But I know here in the states we seem to have an abundance of males, so there is quite a few bachelor groups. Hopefully they can find a nice female for him and he can have his own family.
@@bigboytoyz541 I hope they can find an appropriate female or two for Kiyomasa, most definitely! I think he's got great genetics and has learned very well how to be a silverback from Shabani. Hopefully if he does have to wait, it will only be a couple of years before having a group of his own. Annie, I would love to see get set up with Lope from the UK...but that's another conversation. 😄
@@pamcunningham9608 its a shame that the u.s. won't exchange with Japan. But I get it, they don't have the animal protection laws that we have so they won't send any animals over there.
I love the way they are all on the move when Shabani is but Shabani can walk right pass Annie, who choses to just sit there. She's the apple of daddy's eye, and never a threat, but still hilarious to watch,
Ots because female offspring are not a threat to Shabani.. His male offspring are.. Usually, as the male sons come of age, they will either leave for a bachelor group on their own, or will be forced out.. In captivity, Silverbacks tend to try to separate their male offsprings even earlier because they are confined to a smaller area. Its really sad.
@@JonHop1that's not always the case. I've been following Titus's son's wild troop for years and there are several silverbacks in the troop. They coexist peacefully.
@@tracey9116 um, Titus is a Mountain Gorilla... Completely different species. Most Mountain Gorilla troupes have multiple silverbacks.. Western and Eastern Lowlands do not. Mountain gorillas do not survive in captivity.
@John Wright Thank you for your detailed comment. I agree that Shabani is a great father (much more so than Momotaro, although he did not have a father to learn from as he grew up) and a prime specimen for breeding; I have no information on the inner workings of zoos in Japan, but also agree that they are really missing a great opportunity to perpetuate the population of Western Lowland Gorillas there. I have commented often that it is a shame that Shabani has not had the opportunity to have more children. 😊
@John Wright , thanks a lot for your comment. I too have observed this family since they were little “ kids” and wish very much that the zoo would have better plans but I heard zoos from USA wouldn’t exchange gorillas with Japan or China because they don’t have good standards raising their gorillas. Did you hear anything about that? And also send me the email address for both of zoos so I can write them about the gorillas.
@John Wright , Shabani has always been a patient and great Dad. But there does come a time when the son will try and fight the Silverback, Dad for dominance. When that happens, the Silverback must hold his ground and remind the Son & the group that he is the boss. With Nene always fighting Kiyomasa's battles and coddling him may have given Kiyo too much ego and confidence thinking he can do what he wants. Shabani needs to keep the group under his control to maintain the peace and proper balance & hierarchy. Kiyomasa needs to surrender and humble himself to Dad or things will get worse. I had heard many times this happens. The Son grows bigger and tries to take over the group. The Silverback will never submit to the son and that is where things can become very dangerous to the Son who thinks he can overpower the Silverback. Kiyo must have challenged Shabani and stepped out of line badly to have Shabani so upset. ( Remember, we only see minutes of a 24 hour day and we don't see what happens at night and early am. We can miss a lot of things that happen behind the scenes when the Zoo is closed ) Shabani must be stern and consistent to get Kiyo and the family to submit to him. He is the Boss and he must do what he needs to to regain his place. Sometimes, when the Son keeps challenging the Silverback, they have moved the son to protect him. We all hate seeing this beautiful family at odds. Shabani and Shabani have always been very close and playful with each other. Saying that, no doubt Kiyomasa has to have been going too far and pushed Shabani to knock him back in line. The Zoo staff watches this family very closely and knows what is normal and when to step in. Gorillas need to work out fights and issues by themselves. They usually always find the common ground to make the peace. But, they must figure things out between themselves, without the staff butting in and the staff cannot fix these issues for them. I;m sure the staff is well aware whats happening, they are the experts and we need to trust they will do what needs to be done. This may just be a situation that will work itself out. But, the Gorillas need to do it or it will just go back to fighting if they are separated now, nothing gets solved, they will reunite with the same issues and they know what they are doing more then we understand. Just like with humans, when our teenage kids act crazy and break the rules, we must discipline them before they get worse. I think that is what Dad is doing. Shabani being so easy going may have given Kiyo the idea that he is a push over. That is Kiyo's mistake and he must learn the hard way. Shabani is doing his job, keeping the peace and everyone in line. Hard to see at times, but he is doing what a Silverback must do for the peace and everyone knowing he is still the boss and they must submit to him. I hope they find harmony again.
@@maryeddy4871 Thanks, Mary, for laying it out so well. What deeply resonated with me were your words “they know what they are doing more than we understand.” As I write this, we are three days past whatever happened here, and Kiyo, as confused as he looks, seems to be humbling, almost begging, for Shabani’s acceptance again. But I’m really concerned about how fast Annie could go down. Such anguish in her face. Another vid just popped up-I hope to see her eating.
@@katewaterbaby , Thank you for the kind reply. It is so hard for us who have watched this family for years and none of us like to see the family at odds. Especially the young ones. If you noticed in this video, the staff was watching them from inside that big window when they were outside and no doubt are watching everything and they will do what is necessary if this gets really bad. But, as I was always a "worrier" and often so soft hearted as I started watching Gorillas and would humanize situations too much, to my mistake. I was lucky to have others who knew so much be kind enough to educate me and to assure me that the Gorillas know what is happening even if we don't understand, they do and they are the only ones who can work out any issues and the staff cannot interfere they must find the solution through their ways and at times it can be rough, but, the are the experts to what they need to do to bring calm back into the family.. Thats why we shouldn't worry a lot because they are very smart and can work things out within the group. I'm behind on this families videos. There are two more I have saved I want to watch. But, I just popped on and saw there is another video under a different page from 2-12 and it seemed things are better as they are eating more and at around 5:08 to around 8:30. Kiyomasa sits near Shabani in a very humble and cautious behavior. But, Nene comes in at the end to make sure Kiyo is okay. Seems Kiyo may understand he went to far and showing submission and respect by being so quiet and passive. --->ruclips.net/video/HngyxbzqN6s/видео.html So, maybe things are starting to flow easier. Shabani has a hard job. He has to keep the whole family together and in peace and I think some stuff must have happened to really piss him off enough to behave so strick on Kiyo and the females. But, I trust his behavior as something could have happened that we don't know about. Now maybe Shabani seeing Kiyo seeming sorry, Shabani may just let it go as he learned a hard lesson and they may be playing as they use to. But, they will fix it, we can just chill and learn more as we watch it unfold. They are really so smart and amazing in all they ways they handle situations. Take care and thank you again for the kind comment. ;-)
In the wild, when the sons reach a certain age they have to be completely subservient to the silverbacks, their dads if they want to stay in the group. Teenagers also get disciplined in the wild all the time for acting out too much. I've seen Gentaro go through a similar situation with his dad, Momotaro when he was getting older. Gentaro was extremely depressed about it at first. Shabani doesn't often discipline his kids. It's probably jarring and confusing for Kiyomasa to see his dad acting less playful and more competitive and disciplinary. I have a feeling that it's a test to show his son who's boss. Kiyomasa is not used to the change. Who knows, maybe Shabani took things a bit too far.
Agree the need to move the teens. Gennaro is so s sad, you can see it in his eyes. Kayo also needs his own place. The zoos have had over 10 years to do something so what is the problem.
agreed , they knew this day would come and hopefully they will move the boys kiyo and gentaro before its too late. especially they are with females that are in or going into heat
It doesn't work like that. The process is actually quite complex. There first has to be an opening in another zoo for a new young male silverback. There also have to be a series of approvals, facility inspections, and medical tests run on the the animals. The zoo you're moving them to also can't have any young and newborn gorillas because the new male may attempt to kill them to bring their mothers back into season. It also impacts each zoos monthly health insurance policies and how much they'll be covering for the near future. Sometimes it even requires a transition period where the primatologists from the old zoo accompany them at first to help the animals adjust to their new surroundings. In those cases, you'll need zoos relatively close to each other for the primatologist to be capable of splitting their time between facilities. Again, it's really not as simple as one would presume it is on the surface. It's an overly complicated process, in all honesty.
Omg, Kiyo was playing with his Dad with the hay! Shabani was throwing hay at Kiyo too. Trust me, if Shabani had thought for one second that was in an aggressive manner, he would sorted Kiyo at the time! You have read it wrong.
Poor Annie-- she is totally a Daddy's girl and feels very uncomfortable that everyone is fighting-- don't worry Annie; they will work it out. Daddy's girl forever- Annie.
Thank you, Something About Gorillas, for your wonderful videoing. I really appreciate the text on the screen explaining what's happening. Tense times for the Shabani troop, but it is the gorilla way. Gentaro of the Momotaro troop is slowly spending more time alone from his family. I only hope wherever Kiyo and Gentaro wind up, we will always be able to see them on video and witness their silverbackdom. 💙🦍
Che video emozionante. Mi piace vedere Ai proteggere sua mamma e suo fratello,si ferma davanti a lui e quasi lo sfida con lo sguardo ( che femmina stupenda). Che tenerezza Kiyomasa li sotto tutto solo. Spero che nel continuo del video avranno fatto pace. ❤️🍀❤️ Annie! 😘❤️
Ky has been pushing Shabani for a while now,I guess it's time for dad to put him in his place. Also Ky has been getting extra close to Annie. Shabani probably saw something happening. He sure is in a mood today.
Ok sorry I’m new here. Everybody here is feeling sorry for Kiyomasa but he stepped out of line?? Duh. Even in real life if a kid misbehaves, parent has to discipline them. So def a silverback. Am I missing something?
@16:51 This has to be the most heart wrenching scene ever, poor guy. Annie doesn't know what to do with herself with her unconditional love of her father and brother. Ai is a sweetheart ❤️ I love how she stops and looks at Shabani with her pouting mouth, she's such an innocent.
Annie has to be taking this very hard. She looks so thin. Shabani doing the dominance thing with Kiyomasa was bound to happen sooner or later. The question is, will the family pull away from Shabani as he does this.
The group are lucky Shabani isn't like Momotaro, otherwise he would of taught his son a lesson by now. I feel so sorry for Shabani, he is lovely and is constantly bullied by the group
Wrong! Shabani is not bullied whatsoever, and he could do serious damage to all them and he knows it! He is not intimidated easily! This is all normal behaviour for Gorillas. Shabani rules that troop make no mistake about that!
@@kells1784 You're missing my point. He COULD do something about it. But doesn't. If that was Momotaro, he would of dug his fangs into Kiyomasa by now and this wouldn't be happening
Thank you. I was seriously confused at all the comments concerned about Kiyo when he’s the one who attacked his dad first so obviously had to be checked
Yeah I saw that part when gentaro bit his dad on the back and momo almost ripped him apart. But shabani is pretty chill tho and loves his kids so much. He probably just want to remind Kiyo who's the boss by instilling fear which it actually worked. Now they are playing again and Kiyo loves to be with his dad again.
Correct no one bullies Shabani. He has been a bully at times especially yesrs ago. The family is lucky Shabani is as kind as he is. Other silverbacks would have really gone after kiyo, and rarely take bs from females either@kells1784
I think something happened when they were all in the basement that Shabani didn't approve of! Maybe with Annie. It's all natural and Shabani is only doing his job! He's not hurting anyone, it's all just chasing! We should be grateful for that! Undoubtedly this will escalate the more Kiyo tries to intimidate his dad! As long as he submits to his Dad's threats he'll be fine! It's when he doesn't. That's when the true fighting begins and that's when he will be moved ! As they did with Frank and Winston! Hopefully it won't come to that! Shabani just doing his job !🦍❤️
😧 Oh dear! 2:19 Shabani is way deep in the doghouse in one of his bossy moods on this day causing discord in the troop. 2:45 Ai is never intimidated by Shabani, and protects mom Nene. 5:06 I suspect Shabani wanted everyone to "return to normal" and stay outside to eat, but by then 6:15 there was way too much tension. 11:47 Shabani continues his stiff-legged stalking intimidation. 12:29 Kiyomasa has had enough of his dad's harassment . 😣 12:57, 16:25 Poor Kiyomasa. He is definitely standing up for himself. 15:45 🤔 The keeper is even wondering what in the world is going on. Hopefully things will calm down soon, as they usually do..
Hey Sonya, it's all abit too much & I feel respectfully. Way to many opinions,. it's all hearsay & speculation. Love your comment as usual, it always makes more sense when you put the timeline in & then I can follow what you say & some clarity. As usual thank you Sonya for your insight which is always appreciated. 🙋
@@sonjavandam1306 Hello my friend! Thanks for your most kind comment. Yes indeed I feel so....for Kiyomasa. Going through puberty, and at the same time wanting his dad's approval. All the while Shabani tries to maintain some balance, and he does it in his own way, which gets him put under the dog 🏠 house sometimes 🤣. Shabani absolutely means no harm. He truly loves his family, but you know how he is. Um he just usually steps on quite a few toes when he's in proper silverback mode 😆.
Kyomasa is a strong boy maybe shabani feeling intimidated by him..I love that the ladies are protecting their bro, son..nene might be elder but she's still a loving mother..poor kyomasa I wanted to cry seeing him like that... I'm really surprised I thought gentaro would be feeling the heat first from his dad they hardly interact with each other
I think something may be bothering Shabani (disease, pain?), in his past enclosure he was quite relentless although he never went serious with the females (unless Annie was attacked), it was a terrible enclosure...or he is realizing Kiyosama is growing up and he needs to be put in his place, Kiyomasa has been quite playful with his father so far, but as he grows up that attitude was going to change to challenge, if Shabani realized his son is no longer a kid then there is no way back.
This is the best comment and you are 100% right. You cannot stop the inevitable. time to move these boys kiyo and gentaro before its too late. believe me everyone you will not want to see these silverbacks go to challenge with their sons and with females going into heat it will happen one of the girls could be in heat causing turmoil
Anyone else think Annie looks very thin, almost skeletal. Kyo also too thin. Maybe stressed family dynamic. Is it time to separate the young sister and brother with their own partners?
yes i just saw a video and was in shock when I saw Annie. She looked horrible, thin, weak and confused. poor thing you can tell straight away with her when things are not good. She shows her emotions and mind state very clearly
Kiyomasa the son, should be moved soon, cause if the zoo doesn't move him, it could get Ugly between father and son, in the wild young male gorillas form bachelor groups until they start their own family, the zoos have bachelor groups,
St.Louis Mo. had at least 5 healthy Silverbacks. I would visit at least 6 times during the summer. Went this summer and didn’t see not one. I love watching these amazing animals. ❤
It's normal. Kiyo is a teenager and is going to start challenging his father. Shabani has to remind him who the leader is, if he allows him to throw his weight around it would cause a lot of upset and imbalance in the family and in the wild could be dangerous too.
This is kind of typical for teenagers. And human families too in many cases. Mama and Granny spoil the son ankd won’t let Dad discipline the son. Much to the sons detriment. Perhaps he disrespected his Dad and Dad hasn’t had the chance to have it out with him yet because of the ladies. Moja, a first child, in Prague, was so adored by her family and keepers alike that her teens were like this too. I don’t know if the videos are still up, but one is quite funny. It showed her sulking and her Mom tried for quite a while to cajole her out of it, to no avail. Thank you for taking the time to share your wonderful videos with us. 🙂
Thank you for this wonderful video.With American English say we say there is a 'band of gorillas' or we say there is a 'troupe of gorillas'. Gorillas are so intelligent. It's a pity they become angry easily. Being a silver-back gorilla is a very difficult job. 🥰🥰🥰
Something major seem to have happened. It's not like shabini to be angry for so long. I'm guessing it's something we didn't see. Annie seem to be the only one not worried.
Sounds like the problems 'we' had in Artis Amsterdam. But here we have three neutered boys Bembosi (May 2011), Shambe (Sept 2011) and Douli (Feb 2012) . Things calmed down after a while, but for how long........
her appearance was very shocking and concerning to me. I couldnt believe it when i saw her especially in another video i just saw. she almost looked disorientated or even a little wobbly
To me watching this breaks my heart. These beautiful gentle giants should be FREE. We have no right to take their freedom away from them. Imagine you being locked up like that 24/7 ? I can't begin to comprehend it. 💔
With the amount of out of control poaching going on in their native country and continent, they are MUCH better off in this environment. Get yourself together and hug your lil kitty cat and doggie. It'll be all right. Promise ........ Seriously lady, even Diane Fossey couldn't keep them from being slaughtered by the very people paid to keep the poachers away. The poachers paid them better than the park did and the troops were killed one by one.
Pobre shabani ninguém o respeita, mais achei legal que a Ai que sempre foge do kiyomasa protegeu ele. E nene sempre vai considerar o kiyomasa como o seu bebê lol!!Annie a sempre a que não entra nessas brigas! E isso aí garota 😉😘 não entre onde não deve, esta certíssima!!
These are some of the most sterile conditions to keep them in when their natural habitats are full of life with plants and trees and softer conditions. Depressing environment for them, I'm sure.
In the wild he would kick his son out of the family as he gets too matured, being enclosed he can't do that and things will get worse unless they relocate his son.
This is sad to watch, they cannot get away from the stressful situation while they are caged. They need to be in a bigger enclosure outside so they can forage. They seem bored.
Poor gorillas in this high security jail........They look like convicts with a life sentence .....This kind of gorilla jail should be prohibited.......It is a shame...
The problem here is that they're being kept in captivity. Gorillas need to be free in the wild, i don't understand why there are being tortured by keeping them in confined spaces just to entertain humans! Shame on these people!
These animals need to be in their wild enviroment not kept enclosed in a sanitised dwelling! at the very least put them in a open reserve fitting to their natural enviroment ! How cruel!
I honestly don't think that the cramped concrete, Steel I-Beams, ropes or fish nets have any adverse effects on their mental or physical well being. The sparse mostly dead plants are a nice touch. Any self-respecting Gorilla would be thankful for concrete.
In animal families where there’s a dominant male, it’s natural, I think, for teenagers to challenge. I even saw this with my Bouvier dogs: when a male pup was 6 months old, he decided to challenge his father dog. The son climbed up on the couch and gripped a pillow between his front paws, and growled at his dad, clearly saying, “Mine!” A fight ensued because daddy Bouv was having not of it! I had to keep them separated after that.
Hello from Oklahoma! What's sad about this is they were trying to get away from each other but couldn't. Gorilla's like people grow up and strike out on their own. This can't happen in a cage.
Never mind a cage. It happens in any community where something happens and there's a dispute. People just stop talking to each other, and avoid contact, but at least you can have your own private space to retire to, where these poor creatures have nowhere to go. It's a horrible situation, especially when they can't communicate their fears and anxiety.
They kinda seem like they're in prison 😔 There's no softness to their habitat. It's not like nature. I feel sorry for them.
I BEG TO DIFFER FOR THE SIMPLE FACT IF CAN HAPPEN IN THE WILD JUNGLE IT'S AS WELL IS CAPABLE OF HAPPENING IN A CAGE AND POSSIBLY CAN TURN OUT WORSE THAN BEING IN THE JUNGLE.
what was that bird call sounded like a guy
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Shabani knows his son is getting older and is feeling himself. Shabani is putting him in check. Maybe it's time for the son to go to another enclosure. Kiyomosa looks like a teenager.
Exactly.
I feel he needs to show him😢 who is leader
Time for the older sons to be moved to another home. I think that is what would happen in nature if they had the choice to leave. Here they are stuck.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
I agree.
In the states it's very routine for zoos to move or loan out animals, including gorillas, for just that reason, but also for breeding purposes. The gorilla Harambe that was tragically killed in Cincinnati when that little boy got into its enclosure was actually on loan from a zoo in Texas, I believe.
In the wild, Kiyomasa would be starting to venture off into bachelor groups.. Its a real shame this is happening.. Probably very stressful on the family.
I agree. These animals needs to be in the own habitat, not a zoo. Look at them, they all look depressed and sad
Agreed. The best zoos in the world make a natural habitat, not a concrete jungle. No wonder they’re angry and/or depressed. So sad!!!!
@@cleggs318 If you didnt know, Kiyomasa has now been mating with his mom and sister almost every day.. That is how bad it is...
@@JonHop1 I did not know. That’s horrible!!!
thats because these damn zoos have zero clue on how to address such things instead they folly its entertainment...
He loves his son and is a very chill silverback but he’s still the boss and has to remind Kiyomasa that he’s the boss here
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Kiyomasa has been in Silverback training all his life from Shabani.This is the natural order of things for his growth and for the safety of the troop.We may not like it and Nene& Ai might want it to stop....but Shabani is the leader.Nene will always see Duckie as her baby gorilla.🌻🦍🦍🧡
I agree with you!
if its the natural order than why are the females trying to stop it? Seems like those Gorillas have mental problems being in that place and cant do a healthy development.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Hi Lynn... A Very wise comment & so well-spoken...Hope this finds you feeling great & in good spirits...🥰
Yes ..I love Duckie too.😂😂❤
Annie always stay’s away from the fighting. I’m sure with Annie becoming of Age it has to make Shabani unsettled and also does this Mean that Annie will also have to be moved. She surly can’t mate with her father. I hope Ai has another little one to keep excitement within the group. Nene is old and probably doesn’t have much time left.
I know I’m gonna cry when that time comes. Have lots of love for her.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
アイはアニーを育てなかった。 人間にアニーは育てられた。 このグループに入れるために、飼育員さんがゴリラのかっこうをしてミルク飲ませた。 ゴリラ達にアニーを見せてた。 又アイは育てる事出来ないかも。 ネネが教えてほしかった。 キヨマサを守る為にアニーに冷たかった。 キヨマサを助ける為アイとネネは良い親や姉だが、 シャバーニのリーダーになるためにはジャマしている。 違うメスを入れたらメス達にやられるかも
Love this family but we all knew it was coming kiyo is “going” to challenge and we all know Shabani isn’t having none of that! 😂They love each other but It’s natural. I’m just wondering why all the zoos aren’t taking measures to move some of them as they did in the past. They need a set up like they did with Frank! Shabani’s brother is trying to mate with his daughters 😢😖, those 2 need to be moved as does gentaro. I’m sure the zoos are talking and planning something or I hope so!
i agree, this has been my biggest fear that they were going to take too long. once it starts there will be no stopping it and it will end badly. everyone not wanting gentaro to leave yet. i am like move them before its too late. the sons and dads doing a challenge is something no one wants to see. i hope there is a plan in place in case it starts. a zoo in the states the winston troop, a young gorilla just turned silverback challenged the older in charge silverback, its an upsetting video to see but at least they got them seperated before it went too far and had a seperate area to put the young silverback to. very upsetting situation to the troop.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Zoos need to be banned and people need to stop paying money to keep them going. It goes against the grain of nature and the stability of these poor animals.
@RG until the world can effectively stop poachers, zoos are some of the only safe places animals like this have. In the wild the get killed for food and profit.
Kiyo is Shabani's son not brother
It’s crazy to see how they have family dynamics like humans basically the son is getting older and has the man of the house feeling and dad is trying to keep him in line and doing little spiteful mean things because it’s his house and mom and big sister is protecting the baby brother and son because they see what dad is doing lol
When gorillas don't eat, there's something going on. The family dynamic definitely seemed off this morning. For his own safety, Kiyomasa needs to head to a bachelor troop for the time being, I think.
You don't put eligible males in a bachelor group unless you have to. Bachelor groups are more for aging males or males that can't live with a female, usually because they are aggressive. It's never good to put a male that you plan to make a group with, in a bachelor group.
@@bigboytoyz541 Not at all true. St. Louis zoo in the US just sent Jontu, a 26 year old siverback, from a bachelor group to a zoo in Chicago where he will be the leader and breeding male for several females. In the wild, gorillas join bachelor groups and may stay there for several years before being able to secure their own females and form a troop. It's strictly a numbers game, Western Lowland gorillas will not accept more than one adult male per group. This leaves more males than females with no family group to go to. In addition, Japan's zoo gorilla population is in a bind right now: Gentaro is growing too old to stay with Momotaro's group, and Haoko's daughters are getting too old to be left with and possibly bred by their father. The Japanese gorilla gene pool is also becoming an issue; an exchange with another country would help diversify the genetics. It's a multifaceted problem that the Japanese zoos have not seemed willing or able to address. They certainly haven't been publicly transparent with any planning or decision making regarding the situation.
@@pamcunningham9608 you are right. Sometimes if there is nowhere else for them to go they will put them in a bachelor group. But usually if they have plans for them they won't. However, like you said, I haven't heard a word about his future. I know they usually won't put him in with a female until he is a silverback, but he may be one completely by the end of the year. But I know here in the states we seem to have an abundance of males, so there is quite a few bachelor groups. Hopefully they can find a nice female for him and he can have his own family.
@@bigboytoyz541 I hope they can find an appropriate female or two for Kiyomasa, most definitely! I think he's got great genetics and has learned very well how to be a silverback from Shabani. Hopefully if he does have to wait, it will only be a couple of years before having a group of his own. Annie, I would love to see get set up with Lope from the UK...but that's another conversation. 😄
@@pamcunningham9608 its a shame that the u.s. won't exchange with Japan. But I get it, they don't have the animal protection laws that we have so they won't send any animals over there.
I love the way they are all on the move when Shabani is but Shabani can walk right pass Annie, who choses to just sit there. She's the apple of daddy's eye, and never a threat, but still hilarious to watch,
Ots because female offspring are not a threat to Shabani.. His male offspring are.. Usually, as the male sons come of age, they will either leave for a bachelor group on their own, or will be forced out.. In captivity, Silverbacks tend to try to separate their male offsprings even earlier because they are confined to a smaller area. Its really sad.
@@JonHop1what would be more sad is if humans left gorillas to die as babies whos families were killed by poachers in the jungle........,.
@@JonHop1that's not always the case. I've been following Titus's son's wild troop for years and there are several silverbacks in the troop. They coexist peacefully.
@@tracey9116 um, Titus is a Mountain Gorilla... Completely different species. Most Mountain Gorilla troupes have multiple silverbacks.. Western and Eastern Lowlands do not. Mountain gorillas do not survive in captivity.
Poor Kiyo. Breaks my heart to see him in a corner by himself.😢
@John Wright Thank you for your detailed comment. I agree that Shabani is a great father (much more so than Momotaro, although he did not have a father to learn from as he grew up) and a prime specimen for breeding; I have no information on the inner workings of zoos in Japan, but also agree that they are really missing a great opportunity to perpetuate the population of Western Lowland Gorillas there. I have commented often that it is a shame that Shabani has not had the opportunity to have more children. 😊
@John Wright , thanks a lot for your comment. I too have observed this family since they were little “ kids” and wish very much that the zoo would have better plans but I heard zoos from USA wouldn’t exchange gorillas with Japan or China because they don’t have good standards raising their gorillas. Did you hear anything about that? And also send me the email address for both of zoos so I can write them about the gorillas.
@John Wright , Shabani has always been a patient and great Dad. But there does come a time when the son will try and fight the Silverback, Dad for dominance. When that happens, the Silverback must hold his ground and remind the Son & the group that he is the boss.
With Nene always fighting Kiyomasa's battles and coddling him may have given Kiyo too much ego and confidence thinking he can do what he wants. Shabani needs to keep the group under his control to maintain the peace and proper balance & hierarchy. Kiyomasa needs to surrender and humble himself to Dad or things will get worse. I had heard many times this happens. The Son grows bigger and tries to take over the group. The Silverback will never submit to the son and that is where things can become very dangerous to the Son who thinks he can overpower the Silverback.
Kiyo must have challenged Shabani and stepped out of line badly to have Shabani so upset. ( Remember, we only see minutes of a 24 hour day and we don't see what happens at night and early am. We can miss a lot of things that happen behind the scenes when the Zoo is closed )
Shabani must be stern and consistent to get Kiyo and the family to submit to him. He is the Boss and he must do what he needs to to regain his place. Sometimes, when the Son keeps challenging the Silverback, they have moved the son to protect him.
We all hate seeing this beautiful family at odds. Shabani and Shabani have always been very close and playful with each other. Saying that, no doubt Kiyomasa has to have been going too far and pushed Shabani to knock him back in line.
The Zoo staff watches this family very closely and knows what is normal and when to step in. Gorillas need to work out fights and issues by themselves. They usually always find the common ground to make the peace. But, they must figure things out between themselves, without the staff butting in and the staff cannot fix these issues for them.
I;m sure the staff is well aware whats happening, they are the experts and we need to trust they will do what needs to be done. This may just be a situation that will work itself out. But, the Gorillas need to do it or it will just go back to fighting if they are separated now, nothing gets solved, they will reunite with the same issues and they know what they are doing more then we understand.
Just like with humans, when our teenage kids act crazy and break the rules, we must discipline them before they get worse. I think that is what Dad is doing. Shabani being so easy going may have given Kiyo the idea that he is a push over. That is Kiyo's mistake and he must learn the hard way. Shabani is doing his job, keeping the peace and everyone in line. Hard to see at times, but he is doing what a Silverback must do for the peace and everyone knowing he is still the boss and they must submit to him. I hope they find harmony again.
@@maryeddy4871 Thanks, Mary, for laying it out so well. What deeply resonated with me were your words “they know what they are doing more than we understand.” As I write this, we are three days past whatever happened here, and Kiyo, as confused as he looks, seems to be humbling, almost begging, for Shabani’s acceptance again. But I’m really concerned about how fast Annie could go down. Such anguish in her face. Another vid just popped up-I hope to see her eating.
@@katewaterbaby , Thank you for the kind reply. It is so hard for us who have watched this family for years and none of us like to see the family at odds. Especially the young ones. If you noticed in this video, the staff was watching them from inside that big window when they were outside and no doubt are watching everything and they will do what is necessary if this gets really bad.
But, as I was always a "worrier" and often so soft hearted as I started watching Gorillas and would humanize situations too much, to my mistake. I was lucky to have others who knew so much be kind enough to educate me and to assure me that the Gorillas know what is happening even if we don't understand, they do and they are the only ones who can work out any issues and the staff cannot interfere they must find the solution through their ways and at times it can be rough, but, the are the experts to what they need to do to bring calm back into the family.. Thats why we shouldn't worry a lot because they are very smart and can work things out within the group.
I'm behind on this families videos. There are two more I have saved I want to watch. But, I just popped on and saw there is another video under a different page from 2-12 and it seemed things are better as they are eating more and at around 5:08 to around 8:30. Kiyomasa sits near Shabani in a very humble and cautious behavior. But, Nene comes in at the end to make sure Kiyo is okay. Seems Kiyo may understand he went to far and showing submission and respect by being so quiet and passive. --->ruclips.net/video/HngyxbzqN6s/видео.html
So, maybe things are starting to flow easier. Shabani has a hard job. He has to keep the whole family together and in peace and I think some stuff must have happened to really piss him off enough to behave so strick on Kiyo and the females. But, I trust his behavior as something could have happened that we don't know about. Now maybe Shabani seeing Kiyo seeming sorry, Shabani may just let it go as he learned a hard lesson and they may be playing as they use to. But, they will fix it, we can just chill and learn more as we watch it unfold. They are really so smart and amazing in all they ways they handle situations. Take care and thank you again for the kind comment. ;-)
In the wild, when the sons reach a certain age they have to be completely subservient to the silverbacks, their dads if they want to stay in the group. Teenagers also get disciplined in the wild all the time for acting out too much. I've seen Gentaro go through a similar situation with his dad, Momotaro when he was getting older. Gentaro was extremely depressed about it at first. Shabani doesn't often discipline his kids. It's probably jarring and confusing for Kiyomasa to see his dad acting less playful and more competitive and disciplinary. I have a feeling that it's a test to show his son who's boss. Kiyomasa is not used to the change. Who knows, maybe Shabani took things a bit too far.
Nope. Shabani is a good dad. Kyo has been pushing the line for months. It's time to send Kyo the bachelor's club.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
木曜日行きましたが、キヨマサが全然元気ないし、他のゴリラたちも元気がなかったです。
それのせいだったんですね😔
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
aww poor Shabani, he never gets any respect.. lol..
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Agree the need to move the teens. Gennaro is so s sad, you can see it in his eyes. Kayo also needs his own place. The zoos have had over 10 years to do something so what is the problem.
agreed , they knew this day would come and hopefully they will move the boys kiyo and gentaro before its too late. especially they are with females that are in or going into heat
It doesn't work like that. The process is actually quite complex. There first has to be an opening in another zoo for a new young male silverback. There also have to be a series of approvals, facility inspections, and medical tests run on the the animals. The zoo you're moving them to also can't have any young and newborn gorillas because the new male may attempt to kill them to bring their mothers back into season. It also impacts each zoos monthly health insurance policies and how much they'll be covering for the near future.
Sometimes it even requires a transition period where the primatologists from the old zoo accompany them at first to help the animals adjust to their new surroundings. In those cases, you'll need zoos relatively close to each other for the primatologist to be capable of splitting their time between facilities.
Again, it's really not as simple as one would presume it is on the surface. It's an overly complicated process, in all honesty.
アイちゃんが必死にキヨマサを守ったり、必死にキヨマサを探す姿に感動❤
家族みんなが良い方向に向かうと良いですね😊
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Annie said, " This is none of my business, I'm staying out of' it.' 🤣🦍❤️
Annie is always on team Shabani, smart girl. 🙋♀️🦍🇬🇧
😂😂😂😂Annie is always on Shabani side no matter what 😂😂
Annie love so much Shabani her Protector
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Just a few days ago Kiyo was being the aggressor throwing hay at Shabani repeatedly. Possibly Shabani has now had enough, so good on him.
Omg, Kiyo was playing with his Dad with the hay! Shabani was throwing hay at Kiyo too. Trust me, if Shabani had thought for one second that was in an aggressive manner, he would sorted Kiyo at the time! You have read it wrong.
This was playtime between father and son.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
They sure are beautiful animals .. I could watch them all
day ❤
Poor Annie-- she is totally a Daddy's girl and feels very uncomfortable that everyone is fighting-- don't worry Annie; they will work it out. Daddy's girl forever- Annie.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Thank you, Something About Gorillas, for your wonderful videoing. I really appreciate the text on the screen explaining what's happening. Tense times for the Shabani troop, but it is the gorilla way. Gentaro of the Momotaro troop is slowly spending more time alone from his family. I only hope wherever Kiyo and Gentaro wind up, we will always be able to see them on video and witness their silverbackdom. 💙🦍
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Che video emozionante. Mi piace vedere Ai proteggere sua mamma e suo fratello,si ferma davanti a lui e quasi lo sfida con lo sguardo ( che femmina stupenda). Che tenerezza Kiyomasa li sotto tutto solo. Spero che nel continuo del video avranno fatto pace. ❤️🍀❤️ Annie! 😘❤️
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Wow! What loud Siamang Gibbon Neighbours! I wonder if they get sick of the noise! 🥴😅😂🤷🏿♀️
Kyomasa is getting very big. I love how they look after Nene, I think she is wonderful. Thank you very much for the video. ❤️🇬🇧
Wow. Same thing happened last Christmas at my parent's place. The only real difference is Shabani didn't drink too much whiskey.
Annie remains practically neutral, her heart is divided between her brother and her father !
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Ky has been pushing Shabani for a while now,I guess it's time for dad to put him in his place. Also Ky has been getting extra close to Annie. Shabani probably saw something happening. He sure is in a mood today.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Ok sorry I’m new here. Everybody here is feeling sorry for Kiyomasa but he stepped out of line?? Duh. Even in real life if a kid misbehaves, parent has to discipline them. So def a silverback. Am I missing something?
@16:51
This has to be the most heart wrenching scene ever, poor guy.
Annie doesn't know what to do with herself with her unconditional love of her father and brother.
Ai is a sweetheart ❤️
I love how she stops and looks at Shabani with her pouting mouth, she's such an innocent.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
😂😆😂🗽🇩🇴🇺🇸🇪🇸🇮🇱🇩🇪 ☕️☕️☕️ 🔥🌋☄️🔥🚬🚬🚬
Great footage! Sad to watch. Thank you.
Annie has to be taking this very hard. She looks so thin. Shabani doing the dominance thing with Kiyomasa was bound to happen sooner or later. The question is, will the family pull away from Shabani as he does this.
The bond Shabani and Annie have with one another is just Beautiful!
Thank you for telling us who everyone is and for the slow motion video.❤️🇺🇸👏
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
This is my favorite RUclips channel. I love watching this troop interact.
Thank you‼️
The group are lucky Shabani isn't like Momotaro, otherwise he would of taught his son a lesson by now.
I feel so sorry for Shabani, he is lovely and is constantly bullied by the group
Wrong! Shabani is not bullied whatsoever, and he could do serious damage to all them and he knows it! He is not intimidated easily! This is all normal behaviour for Gorillas. Shabani rules that troop make no mistake about that!
@@kells1784 You're missing my point. He COULD do something about it. But doesn't.
If that was Momotaro, he would of dug his fangs into Kiyomasa by now and this wouldn't be happening
Thank you. I was seriously confused at all the comments concerned about Kiyo when he’s the one who attacked his dad first so obviously had to be checked
Yeah I saw that part when gentaro bit his dad on the back and momo almost ripped him apart. But shabani is pretty chill tho and loves his kids so much. He probably just want to remind Kiyo who's the boss by instilling fear which it actually worked. Now they are playing again and Kiyo loves to be with his dad again.
Correct no one bullies Shabani. He has been a bully at times especially yesrs ago. The family is lucky Shabani is as kind as he is. Other silverbacks would have really gone after kiyo, and rarely take bs from females either@kells1784
Kiyomasa has got some true homies. You see how they both get up at the exact same time?
Respect for Nene and Ai! ✊️
The troop is working out some issues. Always interesting to see.🤔
I think something happened when they were all in the basement that Shabani didn't approve of! Maybe with Annie. It's all natural and Shabani is only doing his job! He's not hurting anyone, it's all just chasing! We should be grateful for that! Undoubtedly this will escalate the more Kiyo tries to intimidate his dad! As long as he submits to his Dad's threats he'll be fine! It's when he doesn't. That's when the true fighting begins and that's when he will be moved ! As they did with Frank and Winston! Hopefully it won't come to that! Shabani just doing his job !🦍❤️
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Shabani has to remind his growing son who is boss. Kiyomasa must challenge and learn to challenge.
😧 Oh dear! 2:19 Shabani is way deep in the doghouse in one of his bossy moods on this day causing discord in the troop. 2:45 Ai is never intimidated by Shabani, and protects mom Nene. 5:06 I suspect Shabani wanted everyone to "return to normal" and stay outside to eat, but by then 6:15 there was way too much tension. 11:47 Shabani continues his stiff-legged stalking intimidation. 12:29 Kiyomasa has had enough of his dad's harassment . 😣 12:57, 16:25 Poor Kiyomasa. He is definitely standing up for himself. 15:45 🤔 The keeper is even wondering what in the world is going on. Hopefully things will calm down soon, as they usually do..
Hey Sonya, it's all abit too much & I feel respectfully. Way to many opinions,. it's all hearsay & speculation.
Love your comment as usual, it always makes more sense when you put the timeline in & then I can follow what you say & some clarity. As usual thank you Sonya for your insight which is always appreciated. 🙋
@@sonjavandam1306 Hello my friend! Thanks for your most kind comment. Yes indeed I feel so....for Kiyomasa. Going through puberty, and at the same time wanting his dad's approval. All the while Shabani tries to maintain some balance, and he does it in his own way, which gets him put under the dog 🏠 house sometimes 🤣. Shabani absolutely means no harm. He truly loves his family, but you know how he is. Um he just usually steps on quite a few toes when he's in proper silverback mode 😆.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
LOL!!!!!!!!!! You're KIDDING, right?
They will have to move Kiyo eventually it will only get worse and someone could get hurt
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
@@Jakub-kw1rx what's your point as to this video ?🤔🙄. ✨✝️✨.
あんなに仲良かったのに…
はやく仲直りして欲しい
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
Kyomasa is a strong boy maybe shabani feeling intimidated by him..I love that the ladies are protecting their bro, son..nene might be elder but she's still a loving mother..poor kyomasa I wanted to cry seeing him like that... I'm really surprised I thought gentaro would be feeling the heat first from his dad they hardly interact with each other
Omg, they were all after him with Annie bringing up the rear.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Annie is the only one loyal to her father!
Annie is always on team Shabani, smart girl. 🙋♀️🦍🇬🇧
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
I think something may be bothering Shabani (disease, pain?), in his past enclosure he was quite relentless although he never went serious with the females (unless Annie was attacked), it was a terrible enclosure...or he is realizing Kiyosama is growing up and he needs to be put in his place, Kiyomasa has been quite playful with his father so far, but as he grows up that attitude was going to change to challenge, if Shabani realized his son is no longer a kid then there is no way back.
This is the best comment and you are 100% right. You cannot stop the inevitable. time to move these boys kiyo and gentaro before its too late. believe me everyone you will not want to see these silverbacks go to challenge with their sons and with females going into heat it will happen one of the girls could be in heat causing turmoil
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
最後のキヨマサの姿に胸が痛い。
でもシルバーバックからしたら普通の行動なんだろうな...
アイとネネの守ってくれる存在は大きい。
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
いつかは訪れてしまう事なのかなと思ってはいたけど…悲しい😢
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Silverback rule number 1. The silverback rules.
Anyone else think Annie looks very thin, almost skeletal. Kyo also too thin. Maybe stressed family dynamic. Is it time to separate the young sister and brother with their own partners?
yes i just saw a video and was in shock when I saw Annie. She looked horrible, thin, weak and confused. poor thing you can tell straight away with her when things are not good. She shows her emotions and mind state very clearly
Kiyomasa the son, should be moved soon, cause if the zoo doesn't move him, it could get Ugly between father and son, in the wild young male gorillas form bachelor groups until they start their own family, the zoos have bachelor groups,
St.Louis Mo. had at least 5 healthy Silverbacks. I would visit at least 6 times during the summer. Went this summer and didn’t see not one. I love watching these amazing animals. ❤
Poor Kiyomasa he looks so sad, The tension is high in the family today they are all on the look out for Shabani. They Not even eaten much breakfast
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
I hope they get along again❤
It's normal. Kiyo is a teenager and is going to start challenging his father. Shabani has to remind him who the leader is, if he allows him to throw his weight around it would cause a lot of upset and imbalance in the family and in the wild could be dangerous too.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
This is kind of typical for teenagers. And human families too in many cases. Mama and Granny spoil the son ankd won’t let Dad discipline the son. Much to the sons detriment. Perhaps he disrespected his Dad and Dad hasn’t had the chance to have it out with him yet because of the ladies. Moja, a first child, in Prague, was so adored by her family and keepers alike that her teens were like this too. I don’t know if the videos are still up, but one is quite funny. It showed her sulking and her Mom tried for quite a while to cajole her out of it, to no avail. Thank you for taking the time to share your wonderful videos with us. 🙂
And this is why you don't bully smaller than you. Everyone is pissed off as shabani. He been intimidating them too much
Bro his son attacked him? He had to check him. I don’t understand the comments
takut bro mengeri kan,👍❤️🙏
"Even the healthiest and most wholesome families have their arguments at times."
- My Pa
Shabani let's kiyomasa walk all over him, it's not right.
Wow ,did Ai just attacked shabini?
Thank you for this wonderful video.With American English say we say there is a 'band of gorillas' or we say there is a 'troupe of gorillas'. Gorillas are so intelligent. It's a pity they become angry easily. Being a silver-back gorilla is a very difficult job. 🥰🥰🥰
I'm dying to see what is going to happen
Something major seem to have happened. It's not like shabini to be angry for so long. I'm guessing it's something we didn't see. Annie seem to be the only one not worried.
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
I'm desperate to see the latest enstallment as I love the wonderful Shabani family and cannot bare to see discord!
Anxiety, stress Fredom for this beautiful wildlife animals 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑
AFTER READING ALL THE COMMENTS I CAN ONLY SAY, OBJECTION, SPECULATION, HEARSAY.🤣
Part 2: The saga continues.
Réflexions et spéculations humaines😂
Shabani e Kyomassa brincavam, tinham uma relação tão boa de pai e filho, o que aconteceu?
@AnaArtg 自立する年頃
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Poor Annie didn’t want any part of that. I feel so bad for Kiyomasa. 😢😢
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Great behavior study 💯
Sounds like the problems 'we' had in Artis Amsterdam. But here we have three neutered boys Bembosi (May 2011), Shambe (Sept 2011) and Douli (Feb 2012) . Things calmed down after a while, but for how long........
Annie appears very thin... hope she's ok.
her appearance was very shocking and concerning to me. I couldnt believe it when i saw her especially in another video i just saw. she almost looked disorientated or even a little wobbly
To me watching this breaks my heart.
These beautiful gentle giants should be FREE.
We have no right to take their freedom away from them.
Imagine you being locked up like that 24/7 ?
I can't begin to comprehend it. 💔
So heartbreaking that you watched it anyway!! 😂
With the amount of out of control poaching going on in their native country and continent, they are MUCH better off in this environment. Get yourself together and hug your lil kitty cat and doggie. It'll be all right. Promise ........ Seriously lady, even Diane Fossey couldn't keep them from being slaughtered by the very people paid to keep the poachers away. The poachers paid them better than the park did and the troops were killed one by one.
@@dyates6380 it's called empathy...
That’s exactly something a poacher would say, nice try.
キヨマサがこれから自立し、群れのリーダーとしてどうするべきか教える訓練のひとつだと思う。
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Nene knocked on the door👍💪Kiyo❤❤
Heartache for both father and son, emotionally both felt the stress ...hope all was good after. Happy family🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように
Poor Shabani it is better if Kyiomasa goes he is now adult 😢😔why is Annie not on Shabani page 😔😔😔😔
Hi from Canada. I love gorillas and yes Shabani is very handsome. Shouldn’t the square door be lower down or have a few stairs.
I agree with your opinion.☺️
Pobre shabani ninguém o respeita, mais achei legal que a Ai que sempre foge do kiyomasa protegeu ele. E nene sempre vai considerar o kiyomasa como o seu bebê lol!!Annie a sempre a que não entra nessas brigas! E isso aí garota 😉😘 não entre onde não deve, esta certíssima!!
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
These are some of the most sterile conditions to keep them in when their natural habitats are full of life with plants and trees and softer conditions. Depressing environment for them, I'm sure.
This is all normal. Domestic life 😂❤️
最後のビデオで、キヨマサが隅っこに一人隠れるようにうずくまっている姿は、気の毒でした。
愛する家族であっても、息子の成長の中で難しい問題があるのですね。
他の家族は、キヨマサを守ろうと、食事もさておいて、必死な行動をとるのが素晴らしいと思います。
They beatin on the door like “Yo C.O., Can I Get A Time Check and Some T.P.”???…..😂😂😂
It's horrible having these gorillas caged up like this should be outlawed
シャバーニとキヨマサ君にはいつまでも仲のいい親子関係でいて欲しいけど、それは私の勝手な願望でこの状況はごく自然な事なんですよね😢分かっているけど隠れているキヨマサ君の表情をみると切ないしゲンタロウ君の表情と重なっちゃって何とも言えない😢青年ゴリラたちよ、頑張れ👊
御座にいますかたと小羊とに、さんびと、ほまれと、栄光と、権力とが、世々限りなくあるように。
BS. How you like other species watching your family all day. This is not their natural habitat. Money is the root of all evil.
At:10:00 I can almost hear Nene’s thoughts as being, “ I’m getting too old for this Shit!”
Did Nene ever injure her right arm? Something seems off with it.
Annie's belly looks so thin. I wonder if she is eating well or feeling too stressed. She is a very sensitive girl.
In the wild he would kick his son out of the family as he gets too matured, being enclosed he can't do that and things will get worse unless they relocate his son.
Que manera de demostrar inteligencia y ternura.❤😊
This is sad to watch, they cannot get away from the stressful situation while they are caged. They need to be in a bigger enclosure outside so they can forage. They seem bored.
Poor gorillas in this high security jail........They look like convicts with a life sentence .....This kind of gorilla jail should be prohibited.......It is a shame...
This is so sad, concrete instead of multiple trees, shrubs, and greenery.
Kiyomasa's feelings are hurt😔❤️🦍
The problem here is that they're being kept in captivity. Gorillas need to be free in the wild, i don't understand why there are being tortured by keeping them in confined spaces just to entertain humans! Shame on these people!
These animals need to be in their wild enviroment not kept enclosed in a sanitised dwelling! at the very least put them in a open reserve fitting to their natural enviroment ! How cruel!
it's so sad to see how this gorillas has to live their life behind concrete wall.
I honestly don't think that the cramped concrete, Steel I-Beams, ropes or fish nets have any adverse effects on their mental or physical well being. The sparse mostly dead plants are a nice touch. Any self-respecting Gorilla would be thankful for concrete.
Awwwww...
Oh very sad
Didn't Harry Chapin sing a song about the struggles found in the father/son relationship?
In animal families where there’s a dominant male, it’s natural, I think, for teenagers to challenge. I even saw this with my Bouvier dogs: when a male pup was 6 months old, he decided to challenge his father dog. The son climbed up on the couch and gripped a pillow between his front paws, and growled at his dad, clearly saying, “Mine!” A fight ensued because daddy Bouv was having not of it! I had to keep them separated after that.