I kind of have a real problem, I can always find something funny,, not always great in all situations. But most of the time it's fine.. "like an actual human" he he,, just wait till I tell the other gods that :-)
Great video. I'm thinking of buying one of these servers. The Dell R730 would be my first choice but the DL380 is more within my budget. You showed the parts of the server you never get to see in pictures and other videos and that answered a lot of questions for me.
I've had this server for almost 2 months and was frustrated on the low performance, especially IO. I was getting extremely low IOPS. Memory throughput was affected too. It turns out to be related to the power management settings. The default "dynamic power savings mode' doesn't react well to the user's demand. One has to set it to either OS Control Mode or Static High Performance Mode.
Nah I'm glad to see SVGA and such compatible connects to a server even today, I have spent out only on secondhand but enterprise KVM kit and have found sometimes it can be hard to adapt to the present KVM and I'd hate to have to upgrade or buy another adapter simply because the cable costs due to being most times propriety. Kewl video and presentation.
It is fun see someone call it "affordable". Here in Brazil a server like this (2x2650v3 8x16Gb) costs R$ 26.990,00 (U$ 5.337,23) and I would have to work 22,3 months just to pay it (considering minimum wage).
Yes,, I did write affordable-ish, this server starts at about £320 here. and the server as I showed it is about £1300. You have some high import taxes in Brazil,, and low wages. That makes this very expensive for you.
Thanks for the video. I have a use case where the environment is DC powered. I would assume the hot swapable AC power units can be removed and simply replaced with DC variants? Earthing is a consideration for the rack so all equipment in the rack would also ned to be DC powered off the same source and earthed appropriately.
Bargain hardware isn't not very bargain anymore for us non Brits ,sinc Brexit here in Belguim you have to pay custom taxes an then the postal service wan't a hefty administration fee to handle all paper shit for this (probably all they have to do is push enter and print) and before it arrives on your doorstep you pay some times up to 50% more.
Importing from outside the EU,, is expensive. Last server I got from Bargain Hardware was €100-ish in import and stuff,, It is not as bad for a very expensive server,, that was the HPE CL3100 G3. But for smaller things, parts,, it has to be a real bargain to bring it home from the UK now. I forwarded your comments to Bargain Hardware,,, I think they should set up shop in the EU,, but that is just me.
@ Nikolay Mihaylov About G8 and Gen9 compatibility. I haven't had chance to test all of it but most things are not compatible. - Drive caddies YES - Drive cage (that holds the caddies) most probably NO, usually G8 have horizontal SFF and Gen9 vertical SFF - Fans NO - LOM modules YES - PCIe raisers NO - Power supplies NO, new size starting Gen9
I have a HP ml350 Gen9 and tried to install a Xeon E5-2696 V4 processor, but the system doens't boot. It cannot detect the CPU's. Ram is HP DDR4 ECC - 2400Mhz. When i install 2 other cpu's the system starts up without any problem. I was wondering if the bios version could be the reason why the server cannot detect the drives, i'm on version 2.92 for the moment being. Thanks in advance for your time, maybe you installed one of these cpu's in a ml350/380 gen8 servers?
Hi Morten, in your opinion is it worth the difference of price between gen8 and gen9? I'm thinking about making a server for home personal storage with Unraid and rack servers are really cheap in general, also SAS drives are way cheaper than SATA... But servers with LFF are not so many and I'd prefer to use standard 3,5" drives instead of 2,5", but to optimize spaces I think the DL 380 G8 LFF with 14x 3,5" slots is probably one of the best solution... Btw, in your opinion, considering than disks in a solution like the one with Unraid, where only the disks you're using in a certain moment are spinning and for the rest of the time they're spun down, how many watts can consume a similar rack server? I think if you leave it on 24/7 it probably uses 2-3% of CPU, so let's say at idle, how much consumes a similar server?
Hi,, I am not a big HPE fan,, but I think You are fine with a Gen 8 with 3,5" drives,, and get some good size drives,, like >10TB to get some storage for your watts!
@@MyPlayHouse it is possible but generally its more cost effective to buy the right model from the start there is a 12x back plane on ebay but its £419 so generally not worth it
I got a server from Bargain Hardware,, value 2.127,06 kr. Imports tax (moms) 531,70 kr. UPS wanded 145 kr +36,25 in moms to handle it for me. came to a total of 712,95 kr,,, so 25%+181,25 of what ever you are getting.
Wrt monitor connections, it isn't that big a deal if you have all the same connectors/ standards. It is a pain if one is different and you need to drag another monitor over.
Could anyone please share from first hand experience which of the components from the previous Gen8 generation are compatible with Gen9: - Drive caddies - Drive cage (that holds the caddies) - Fans - LOM modules - TPM module - PCIe raisers - Power supplies
I haven't had chance to test all of it but most things are not compatible. - Drive caddies YES - Drive cage (that holds the caddies) most probably NO, usually G8 have horizontal SFF and Gen9 vertical SFF - Fans NO - LOM modules YES - PCIe raisers NO - Power supplies NO, new size starting Gen9
Lol the one I ordered certainly didn't have plastic on it. It had broken ears and came with 3d printed front drive bay blanks and PCI a riser blank. BH cherry picking what they send to RUclipsrs and normal customers SMH.... They also couldn't supply the right rails and instructed me to bend metal tabs out to make them fit. They were still a horrible fit and required a lot of force to get on.
Sorry about your experiences :-/ Just to clarify, the server in the video did not come from Bargain Hardware, but I used it, to promote that they have them.
HI Mathématiques informatique My channel is English, and to make sure as many as possible, can also enjoy the comments, they are also English. Please keep to English. Thank you for watching! :-)
Also did you see that the new Memory with CPU power design is coming out for use soon. Image that your memory longer reaches out for CPU use for the compute is now in the RAM... Down the road you will have a single solution that is just one system, No CPU, RAM or storage. Instead it will all but in the CHIP die design instead. Sweet!
This is a good question that people today are going to probably be less familiar with the answer than people even 20 years ago were when WiFi was just starting up. WiFi and Bluetooth are both Radio Frequency devices and are both limited by the physics of RF signals (recalling the pre-digital TV and Radio, when you needed to bend the rabbit ears a little to the left to get a clear pic on screen is very much no longer a thing today). The in-play rules of physics here are that WiFi and Bluetooth frequencies are blocked easy by metal (even just hardware cloth metal, it does not need to be solid), and also by structure (one of my Bluetooth sets is blocked by the cinder-block wall around my kitchen making it a dead spot when using that module). So a module inside a full metal case will not work. A module with external antenna surrounded by metal racks in cement walled rooms would also have a lot to overcome to be usable as well. You can certainly put a WiFi PCIe into a server, and use it, and folk with home servers have done so, but the manufacturers are looking to sell multiple units intended to be installed in racks inside sealed rooms so they don't come with the expectation that WiFi or Bluetooth would be a use-case for them.
Good video!
I really like how you aren't that serious about things, it makes you seem like an actual human ;)
I kind of have a real problem, I can always find something funny,, not always great in all situations.
But most of the time it's fine.. "like an actual human" he he,, just wait till I tell the other gods that :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I know that haha, I don’t think it’s a problem though. Keep on making the videos like you are doing right now, it’s perfect :)
Great video. I'm thinking of buying one of these servers. The Dell R730 would be my first choice but the DL380 is more within my budget. You showed the parts of the server you never get to see in pictures and other videos and that answered a lot of questions for me.
Glad to help,, a little 🤗
I've had this server for almost 2 months and was frustrated on the low performance, especially IO. I was getting extremely low IOPS. Memory throughput was affected too. It turns out to be related to the power management settings. The default "dynamic power savings mode' doesn't react well to the user's demand. One has to set it to either OS Control Mode or Static High Performance Mode.
Yes,, there are some settings in the UEFI that will improve performances.
Thank you for this video on the HPE ProLiant DL380 Gen9 2U Rack Server, very insightful.
Hi Mark Sunder
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
This is one of my favorite RUclips tech channels, keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoy it! I will try to keep it up. :-)
Nah I'm glad to see SVGA and such compatible connects to a server even today, I have spent out only on secondhand but enterprise KVM kit and have found sometimes it can be hard to adapt to the present KVM and I'd hate to have to upgrade or buy another adapter simply because the cable costs due to being most times propriety. Kewl video and presentation.
Hi Martin Washington
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
3:05 there is another usb and display port on the other side hidden in the rail holder
Sometimes,, this is an extra you can add when buying.
Good stuff, thanks for posting. just picked up one of these and am looking for upgrading it a bit in near future.
Hi Janne Kotka
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
It is fun see someone call it "affordable". Here in Brazil a server like this (2x2650v3 8x16Gb) costs R$ 26.990,00 (U$ 5.337,23) and I would have to work 22,3 months just to pay it (considering minimum wage).
Yes,, I did write affordable-ish, this server starts at about £320 here. and the server as I showed it is about £1300. You have some high import taxes in Brazil,, and low wages. That makes this very expensive for you.
It took 2 months of searching eBay, but I got lucky, I found one with 2 x E5-2690v3 and 512gb for $1000 USD. I had the only bid
You don't have ebay in brazil?
Yea, I am looking at phasing out my Gen 7 servers for this Gen 9 chassis... Good review as always...
Hi Leadius USA
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you for this video! I'm looking at one of these on Ebay.
Hi Oliver White
Good Luck shopping! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
8:53 Here in Japan mains electricity is 100V 15A and effectively 1400W PSU is max available 😭
I did not know that,, I thought 115 volt in the US was the lowest...
Thanks for the video. I have a use case where the environment is DC powered. I would assume the hot swapable AC power units can be removed and simply replaced with DC variants? Earthing is a consideration for the rack so all equipment in the rack would also ned to be DC powered off the same source and earthed appropriately.
I must admit,,, I do not know how the Earthing,, is,,, on a DC PSU
Nice man! Im a fan from Brazil.
Hi there,, I hear this is ever so slightly more expensive in Brazil :-/
In servers is VGA the way. You could add your sli or crossfire to pci-e's
Hi @jannejohansson3383
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you again. I have 2 of these, but I find G8 is better looking than G9.
Well I did not get it for the looks :-)
@@MyPlayHouse 😂😂😂
Bargain hardware isn't not very bargain anymore for us non Brits ,sinc Brexit here in Belguim you have to pay custom taxes an then the postal service wan't a hefty administration fee to handle all paper shit for this (probably all they have to do is push enter and print) and before it arrives on your doorstep you pay some times up to 50% more.
So true I’m also from Belgium and I buy them in Germany !
@@jj-icejoe6642 I'm also from Belgium and experienced the same cost increase as Jacksat mentioned. Where do you recommend to purchase from Germany?
Importing from outside the EU,, is expensive. Last server I got from Bargain Hardware was €100-ish in import and stuff,, It is not as bad for a very expensive server,, that was the HPE CL3100 G3. But for smaller things, parts,, it has to be a real bargain to bring it home from the UK now.
I forwarded your comments to Bargain Hardware,,, I think they should set up shop in the EU,, but that is just me.
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Nikolay Mihaylov
About G8 and Gen9 compatibility. I haven't had chance to test all of it but most things are not compatible.
- Drive caddies
YES
- Drive cage (that holds the caddies)
most probably NO, usually G8 have horizontal SFF and Gen9 vertical SFF
- Fans
NO
- LOM modules
YES
- PCIe raisers NO
- Power supplies NO, new size starting Gen9
Thanks!
Irritating when they change just a little bit to not be compatible. :-/
I have a similar hp proliant dl380 g9, good server. Thanks.
Hi Escuela De Informática
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Sadly I had a different DL Server once with a bigger piece of plastic (air buffler muffler
That is a shame :-(
not one NVMe-Sockle?
I believe, that the next gen had NVMe on the riser cards,, some models of them.
I have a HP ml350 Gen9 and tried to install a Xeon E5-2696 V4 processor, but the system doens't boot. It cannot detect the CPU's. Ram is HP DDR4 ECC - 2400Mhz.
When i install 2 other cpu's the system starts up without any problem.
I was wondering if the bios version could be the reason why the server cannot detect the drives, i'm on version 2.92 for the moment being.
Thanks in advance for your time, maybe you installed one of these cpu's in a ml350/380 gen8 servers?
I am clueless,,, I would forsure think it would run just fine with 1 CPU.
@@MyPlayHouse sorry to bother once again, would you by any chance have a P92_302 bios or more recent?
Hi Morten,
in your opinion is it worth the difference of price between gen8 and gen9?
I'm thinking about making a server for home personal storage with Unraid and rack servers are really cheap in general, also SAS drives are way cheaper than SATA... But servers with LFF are not so many and I'd prefer to use standard 3,5" drives instead of 2,5", but to optimize spaces I think the DL 380 G8 LFF with 14x 3,5" slots is probably one of the best solution...
Btw, in your opinion, considering than disks in a solution like the one with Unraid, where only the disks you're using in a certain moment are spinning and for the rest of the time they're spun down, how many watts can consume a similar rack server?
I think if you leave it on 24/7 it probably uses 2-3% of CPU, so let's say at idle, how much consumes a similar server?
Hi,, I am not a big HPE fan,, but I think You are fine with a Gen 8 with 3,5" drives,, and get some good size drives,, like >10TB to get some storage for your watts!
Yes! Seagate!
This is religion :-)
Hi Morten!
Is it possible in your opinion to upgrade the DL 380 G9 from 4x LFF to 12x LFF?
Thank you!
I do not think so,, think you need the right model from the start with LFF :-/
@@MyPlayHouse it is possible but generally its more cost effective to buy the right model from the start there is a 12x back plane on ebay but its £419 so generally not worth it
They got iLom costs mentioned /year., damn they made it subscription based.
I have not seen it run out,,, and as it´s just a key,, it is obtainable.
hvad er der af moms osv. når man får sendt ting fra UK nu ?
I got a server from Bargain Hardware,, value 2.127,06 kr. Imports tax (moms) 531,70 kr. UPS wanded 145 kr +36,25 in moms to handle it for me. came to a total of 712,95 kr,,, so 25%+181,25 of what ever you are getting.
Wrt monitor connections, it isn't that big a deal if you have all the same connectors/ standards. It is a pain if one is different and you need to drag another monitor over.
Yes,, it is nices that they are all VGA :-)
Dl360 g9 is also a good server still not so old. Can do a lot of things, but costs abit
Hi leonardo toschi
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Complaining that a Server has VGA is a lot like complaining that your two door car only has two doors...
Yea.. like, be happy that you have a car
Hi keeperofthegood
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
My car has four doors, but only two seats,, what a mess :-)
VGA port? Isn't that a serial port?
It for sure has a VGA port,, a serial port is alot mo iffy..
Could anyone please share from first hand experience which of the components from the previous Gen8 generation are compatible with Gen9:
- Drive caddies
- Drive cage (that holds the caddies)
- Fans
- LOM modules
- TPM module
- PCIe raisers
- Power supplies
I haven't had chance to test all of it but most things are not compatible.
- Drive caddies
YES
- Drive cage (that holds the caddies)
most probably NO, usually G8 have horizontal SFF and Gen9 vertical SFF
- Fans
NO
- LOM modules
YES
- PCIe raisers NO
- Power supplies NO, new size starting Gen9
Good question..
I Know the Drive caddies & Power Supplies are compatible. (firmware on both PSU has to match)
But i would like to know about the LOMs
Another lovely Highly Problematic Server :)
Yes... :-) just see my first attempt to firmware upgrade it...
Lol the one I ordered certainly didn't have plastic on it. It had broken ears and came with 3d printed front drive bay blanks and PCI a riser blank. BH cherry picking what they send to RUclipsrs and normal customers SMH....
They also couldn't supply the right rails and instructed me to bend metal tabs out to make them fit. They were still a horrible fit and required a lot of force to get on.
Sorry about your experiences :-/ Just to clarify, the server in the video did not come from Bargain Hardware, but I used it, to promote that they have them.
@@MyPlayHouse I assumed it was. Thank you for clarifying that.
VGA goes over 1600x1200 res.
Are you sure..
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HI Mathématiques informatique
My channel is English, and to make sure as many as possible, can also enjoy the comments, they are also English.
Please keep to English.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Also did you see that the new Memory with CPU power design is coming out for use soon. Image that your memory longer reaches out for CPU use for the compute is now in the RAM... Down the road you will have a single solution that is just one system, No CPU, RAM or storage. Instead it will all but in the CHIP die design instead. Sweet!
No I did not hear of that?? what is that
@@MyPlayHouse Yea, here are a couple of links for you to check out... ruclips.net/video/PsYTQhN_n7M/видео.html
@@MyPlayHouse And ruclips.net/video/67LXWocO9HI/видео.html
Cut a old piece of carpet to put on the table for videos like this
It was on a pillow :-)
@@MyPlayHouse i know i was just suggesting something that the server would stay on ;)
Why don't these thingies have WiFi or Bluetooth
This is a good question that people today are going to probably be less familiar with the answer than people even 20 years ago were when WiFi was just starting up. WiFi and Bluetooth are both Radio Frequency devices and are both limited by the physics of RF signals (recalling the pre-digital TV and Radio, when you needed to bend the rabbit ears a little to the left to get a clear pic on screen is very much no longer a thing today). The in-play rules of physics here are that WiFi and Bluetooth frequencies are blocked easy by metal (even just hardware cloth metal, it does not need to be solid), and also by structure (one of my Bluetooth sets is blocked by the cinder-block wall around my kitchen making it a dead spot when using that module). So a module inside a full metal case will not work. A module with external antenna surrounded by metal racks in cement walled rooms would also have a lot to overcome to be usable as well. You can certainly put a WiFi PCIe into a server, and use it, and folk with home servers have done so, but the manufacturers are looking to sell multiple units intended to be installed in racks inside sealed rooms so they don't come with the expectation that WiFi or Bluetooth would be a use-case for them.
@@keeperofthegood Thanks for that answer to my silly question now that I understand it.
Well I am mostly missing the 15 pin joystick port,,, WTF :-)
I believe it is mostly a security issue.
@@MyPlayHouse I realize now how stupid that comment was now ; )
Horrible servers. I have two on my livingroom floor at this moment. Both defunct with backplane issues :/
Here is the list of parts:support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docId=emr_na-c04438847
,,, and backplanes are under "Unique options"
@@MyPlayHouse Thanks! They should probably be under "airplane" as they probably cost an arm and a leg :/