Autopilot Crash: Tesla vs. Police Car
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- In Fullerton, California, a Tesla on autopilot mode crashed into a police car that was blocking the road for an investigation, forcing officers to jump out of the way. This video breaks down the incident and examines a study showing that self-driving cars are safer overall, except in specific conditions like dawn, dusk, or while turning. Tune in for a comprehensive analysis!
www.nature.com/articles/s4146...
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00:00 - Intro
00:58 - Tesla Autopilot Recall
01:54 - Autopilot Crash Fullerton California
02:28 - Self Driving Cars Safer?
03:44 - Self Driving Car Driving Statistics
For some reason the Tesla system sometimes responds to flashing lights exactly the same way that a moth responds to a light.
I do wish they didn’t call it autopilot. I fly airplanes, I’ve used autopilots, cars don’t operate in the same environment
Autopilot an oversimplification IMO to inflate stock price, revenue for shareholders since day 1
re: "cars don’t operate in the same environment". exactly there is no "BIG SKY THEORY" to be found at ground level, in fact it's the VERY OPPOSITE. thus when we are finally able to look back on this with hindsight acting as "20-20", even the most ardent Tesla supporters will be forced to acknowledge that FSD was one of biggest "Ponzi Schemes" in History and that they had been DUPED (yes coming to this realization will be difficult and will likely hurt the Ego).
@@phillyphil1513 people will double down on lies before they admit fault
Mercedes/Bosch's system is closer to an autopilot than Tesla's assisted cruise control...which is why I bought the Mercedes instead of a Tesla. Tesla cut corners big-time with sensors and cameras.
Re: Autopilot, I'll give credit where it's due. I have >150,000 miles with Bosch Mobility Solutions' best tech on my car. I know what it is capable of, more importantly, I know what it's not capable of. It's FAR more capable than any airplane autopilot I've used. I currently have a GFC600 in my plane. And it'll track a course, but isn't anywhere near as sophisticated as what I have in my car. At the same time, I don't have to deal with road debris, unpredictable drivers, pedestrians, and other hazards typically found on the ground. That said, I've also had to abort takeoffs for alligators, turtles, and otters...
Hello, welcome to Johnny cab !
These cars are more dangerous than ever. Can't fix stupid.
You can lead a person to knowledge , but you can’t force them to think
The issue (still is) the competency of the driver behind the wheel. Whether they're hand-driving it or using technology to do so.
AI and self driving has proved beyond doubt that its true value is hype and that's it.
Why are self driving cars even legal? Government intervention is drasticly needed.
It's big brother that is pushing self driving and EVs.
Government want's to delete us, not the Robots.
The Gov probably wants the car to be able to drive themself, cause then the gov can control your car aswell.. Like have it parked, cause of 15 min citys :P
When news tellers are 4 yrs behind the rest of us!
I'm very curious about your take on the Korea battery factory fire yesterday
I will likely have a video up next week in the topic. I'm currently in the middle of the woods so content creation is difficult.
@@StacheDTraining Enjoy :)
ladies and gentlemen breaking news...!!! Lithium Ion Batteries are DANGEROUS AF so if the multitude of catastrophic fire events that have occurred now in just the last 5 years across all form factors from small to large, from fixed to mobile, on Air on Land and even Sea (ref: Felicity, ref: Fremantle) doesn't convince us of this...? then what it means (in no uncertain terms) is that we are unfortunately in DENIAL (uh oh)...
that's right because as we are witnessing in real-time, just when we think "it's safe to go back in the water" (ref: Jaws circa 1975) what we are hit with is YET ANOTHER headline news story from somewhere on the Earth. what this is telling us is, rather than the problem being solved by Man's usual cleverness, ingenuity and making it go away...? no, the problem is instead ESCALATING and GETTING WORSE, and it's happening in "direct proportion" to Man's efforts at "ramping up" Cell Production.
As a retired long distance truck driver, I have some thoughts .
Firstly , I think the Tesla alleged good record that musk often brags about is bunkis , because most people are doing the right thing and watching what the car is doing while on cruise or Autopilot, and I suspect you would find if no humans where in the teslas while on Autopilot they would be crashing with much more frequency.
The phantom braking is still a problem , we have a Tesla in the family, and it has happened twice, the last time I was driving at freeway speeds , I pulled out to overtake a slightly slower car as did the big rig behind me and the Tesla decided to chuck on the brakes for no apparent reason , fortunately I over ride the brakes and hit the throttle and avoided being road kill.
I reported this to the family member that owned the car who reported it also occurred while he was driving it .
The big problem with calling driver autopilot when it is really driver assist which is what it really is , the problem is that when things go good and smoothly for a while, people get a false sense of security, they get bored , their mind wanders , humans do not do well if they are not fully invested in doing a task , in other words , you cannot half drive a car.
And as a long distance driver I have expertise in this area , fatigue , not paying attention , dwindling alertness relying on a computer controlled driving system that is not even close to foolproof is a disaster waiting to happen.
Phantom braking is a big issue for automated braking for trucks too.
They have shown the crash figures are fudged the system often disables itself when a crash is about to happen
Public roads should not be used as testing ground for these vehicles. I can see the lawsuits flying and ultimately the insurance companies will be the ones to put a stop to this. Our governments are failing at their jobs and are not keeping the public safe.
The issue isn't the car, it's the idiot driver. I've put 150,000+ miles on a Mercedes with Bosch Mobility Solutions' best tech and it's amazing and relaxing. BUT, it has limitations, and it's important to know those AND keep an eye on it.
@@grayrabbit2211 I would argue that it is the car. At high speeds its not that easy to take back control of the vehicle once the it has made a major mistake. The problem is that idiots fall into a false of security and ultimately don't end up being as alert as they should be and there are times when there is nothing they could have done.
No EV no self driving crap for me, no way no how.
"Self driving cars statistically safer.
Except when moving."
Darwin weeding out the 1d10ts
I still found it funny that insurance company even wants to insure these vehicles.
My Subaru does the the brake thing. When in cruise and a car in front gets into a turn lane, there have been times the system detects the turning car as a vehicle stopped in front of me and slams the brakes on
Self driving cars, auto brake-systems, cruise controls which automatically maintain distance, are all known to brake for absolutely nothing. Causing getting crashed from the rear.
Every ride i turn the "brake-assist" off in the lease 2021 Toyota. Because of constant false LOUD alarms and occasionally starts braking if people approach the road and the stupid computer thinks your gonna crash. While you can see, the other person saw you and is braking (bicycle). Very dangerous with traffic behind you! The automatic seatbelt tries to strangle you at every single round-a-bout because every single time it things you gonna crash. Still thinking about just to pull the fuse so i do not have to release the seatbelt during driving so i can breath again.
Computers+thinking = CRASH
"But aircraft have auto pilots for many years", those people leave out a those autopilots do not have to cope with: curbs, round-a-bouts, trees, cars, cars, bicycles, winding strange road designs, holes (in the road), pedestrians etc. etc. etc. etc. And are shut down the second something unexpected happens.
These cars get confused in too many situations, especially when there's an unusual situation like construction and humans/cops directing traffic.
they don't think,,,, it 's basically a bunch of if then goto routines
Self driving cars should be illegal, period. And quite honestly all cars should be required to have cell signal scramblers to keep drivers off their phone. When I started driving we didn't have cell phone and I don't see any reason anyone absolutely has to use their phone while driving.
The self drive tech is simply too primitive.
"the Human Brain continues to be the only TRUE SUPER COMPUTER that has ever existed..." (Phil's voice)
@@phillyphil1513
You can't argue with that.
Self drive tries to do what the human brain can do but fails.
Excellent video but I have one quibble, but it is significant. At 3:39 you say "input from an imperfect environment". There is no imperfect environment, there is only the environment. Whether the car is driven fully by a driver or it is automated to some degree, the driver or the automation can only get input from the environment. The "imperfection" you refer to is just the characteristics of that environment. The driver or the automation must deal with all these characteristics or imperfections.
I say this because we can create a perfect environment when testing technology.
@@StacheDTraining I see. That makes sense. Thanks.
I would never trust my life by putting in the hands of an Occasional Self Driving car.
If I was a Tesla customer who bought FSD, I would sue Tesla for manipulation of critical information for marketing purposes. The word "Full" in "Full Self-Driving" suggests that the system is designed to manage the entire driving experience, from start to finish, across various conditions and environments, which is a pure lie and Tesla's FSD is only on Level 2 of autonomous driving, which REQUIRES driver's attention ALL THE TIME! I call it "Fool self-driving" for a reason. I couldn't believe the Apple engineer who died in a self-crash didn't check what FSD really means.
You'll find that in buying a Tesla (or any other vehicle with this type of technology) the conditions of sale prevent any lawsuits just because the vehicle tries to kill or maim you or others. Someone recently bought a Tesla Cybertruck, but found it wouldn't fit in his parking space; tried to sell it but Tesla said they'd charge him $50,000, since the terms of the contract said he had to keep it for at least a year (there were other terms that were bad too.) Our lives are ruled by fine print & ridiculous laws; only lawyers prosper!
"Safe & Effective"
Now I for one do not think that self driving vehicles should ever be allowed they cannot replace the human brain - when it is working at the optimum level that is!!
“Robotaxis in August.”
Demolition Man wont use smart drive either😂
Honestly computers can't do things very well. What they can do is according to some parameters and some data that is punt into that computer, calculating very fast. A computer can't multitask, it can switch very fast between tasks. About the rear ending an EV, i had a couple of situations on my motorbike with a Tesla that was braking very hard to meet the stopping point Also i noticed that some Tesla's switch on the brake lights very late because the use regen braking. EV's are unsafe unless the "drive assistants" are switched off and a real person is driving the car.
Automated trains have existed for decades; it is a solved problem.
Trying to use automation on public roads is a MUCH harder problem.
No idea how tesla autopilot/full self driving is legal. But elon musk seems to be immune to successful prosecution so meh...
self driving cars are a fine idea, but they should be confined to their own road networks that are regulated as an entire system and not as individuals trying to assimilate to a system never intended for them.
You mean like a train?
SELFCRASHING VEHICLES
I'll never be in, use or purchase a self driving car. If I cannot drive, I'll have someone drive me where I need to go.
I enjoy driving for the most part, it's a responsibility to be safe and courteous while on the road.
When you're stuck in traffic for 2 hours 40 minutes to drive 22 miles, you'd be VERY happy to let the car do the driving. I've had to do that a few times, and was VERY happy to push the GO button. NOT in a Tesla though. Too many corners cut in their system.
Oops 😬
They pushed the envelope too far too fast aiming for their goal of do whatever you want in the backseat while your vehicle chauffeurs you wherever you need to go.
They should have started with a copilot feature that uses additional sensors designed to beep and give you voice alerts in potential accident situations and lane following cruise control on certain types of roads
I have heard that TESLA are going to move to Hydrogen power in 2025.
Stoner control. Rollin de spleef while da car driving.
Milk float mayhem
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ladies and gentlemen "the Human Brain continues to be the only SUPER COMPUTER that has ever existed..." (Phil's voice). therein what the "Techies" and Comp-Sci types have to face up to is that no matter how so called "advanced" Computer Hardware and Software becomes...? observe how it is still MAN that has the unique ability to make the Hardware and Software in the first place, but what the Hardware and Software still DOES NOT have the ability to do is make a Man. TRANSLATION: People for the WIN...!!!😎
How can the car not know it’s close to another object? Does it not have radar sensors? Shouldn’t it at very least be programmed to not hit objects? Seems very basic.
Tesla got rid of the ultrasonic sensors and radar to cut costs.
They are trying to make the system use only non-redundant cameras.
People often ask why I buy older cars. My answer, I don't want a car that thinks for me. 😊✌️
When I sold my last car, I had put 225,000 miles on it...and I was sad. I knew that it was the last "honest" car I would own. My current one is entirely a computer. I'm just an input, not in direct control.
Having been a computer programmer for decades, I will NEVER let a computer drive my car. Just wait till hackers really get going with cars, let alone 'errors' caused by the programmers themselves. 💩
I hope you're not driving anything made in the past 5 years. Many cars, including my own, have the driver as an "input" rather than in full control of the vehicle. And whatever you do, NEVER get on an Airbus! Similar setup there, with the pilot just being an input. Personally, I like the Airbus philosophy and am agreeable to them.
@@grayrabbit2211 👍 Agree with your comments re cars. I have a reliable 24 yo 4WD. Every new electronic "widget" is another source of potential failure, and those computer screens they're adding are worse than using a phone when driving, IMO.
Hi there I've had a VW van with cruise control and lain assistant it used to slam the brakes on when driving on the motorway if someone cut in front of me I nearly got rear ended but I learnt to hit the accelerator. It was a hire van so I didn't want to change anything
I think the high incident rate for self driving vehicles is likely due to unnecessary braking. I have 2 cehicles with Adaptive Cruise Control. On sharp curves they will sense the guard rail and slow down. While driving on a multi-lane road, on curves they will sense vehicles in the other lanes and unnecessarily slow down.
Neither a safe thing to do or very fuel efficient.
I've had the same situation happen frequently and can add if a vehicle is taking an off ramp, car turning and you go to go around it, lane assist follow the shadows from power lines and if it rains heavily forget it.
Technical advances are important but there should be much more testing before release to the general public
Autonomous semi truck weighing in at over 40 tons, what can go wrong?
Better than a robotaxi in residential neighborhoods and school zones.
From a pilot and also an automotive engineer i can tell you with some authority that autopilot's in car's is just a stupid idea. From my piloting experience i have had many autopilot failures and anomalies which are all systems failures. Most autopilot failures in car's are recognition failures which are impossible to fix or calibrate for.
just need to get rid of self driving cars. its dumb
First of all your comment Tesla recalls was incorrect. Yes, although it was stated as a recall on auto pilot, it is not the operation of the auto pilot, but some messages that come on the screen when on auto pilot. They wanted some fonts to be bigger and two icons named differently. That all. This is updated by over the air software update. However, news media like yourself made it big deal stating all Tesla vehicles are recalled over safety issues on auto pilot software.
Even in this accident, the police are not sure it it was put on auto pilot or Full Self Drive and they are investigating that. All drivers you are using FSD are given many warnings to stay alert and keep hands on the steering wheel to take over anytime
the tesla was also hitting large white trucks not long ago . the tech is not ready and should not be used until it is and imo only when all cars has something like transponders as well as roads will it ever be safe look how fire and ems was blocked in congested cities problem mainly the programmers and regulators sit in offices not the real world. and look how crappy newer websites like cities and utilities upgrade too that had good sights only to now have become harder for customers to navigate and use and were supposed to trust todays programmer's even ai assisted search engines are worst than ever
If they are going to allow self driving cars, then they may as well allow drunk drivers. Both have the same risk potential.
No, it's EXACTLY like an autopilot. 'Fly at 5,000 feet at 300 knots at direction 073 degrees for 300 miles. Then change course to 90 degrees and descend at 3 degrees to 1500 feet." You know what happens if there is a 8000 foot mountain in the way? You hit it at 300 knots if the pilot doesn't take control.
I'll get a terrain warning in my aircraft if I try to do that.
I higly doubt shelf driving cars are here to stay, the massive ammount of crazy accidents are actually driving away a lot of potential buyers, not only crashes but battery fires burning down houses.
Asleep at the wheel
EVs are the clean sustainable future, recognized world-wide in every civilized country.
Teslas FSD will save more lives than seatbelts airbags & crush zones combined.
Teslas FSD will bring enormous mobility to the disabled, elderly & dui
Teslas are million mile superior vehicles.
I hope you aren't suggesting a drunk use FSD.
@StacheDTraining Absolutely. Drunks will get to work or thier meetings.
. Quadriplegics barely able to pick thier own nose, will drive. Anywhere. With a freedom like no other.
The elderly who once raced around in 50s & 60s vehicles will get anywhere they need to go. TX for the winter or across town for some tail.
Teslas FSD will change lives
Its got "Fool self driving"
There last crash was today fire truck.
Where?
In a perfect world we would all have chauffeurs. "Self driving" cars are for the deluded.
Automated operation is possible in a controlled environment: like a train track with grade separation. You can even string multiple cars together for more throughput!
Going to see a lot of horrific crashes.
Think of an automated 18 wheeler not stopping on the highways or freeways plowing into vehicles.
Autopilot false advertisement. These do not have autopilot.
I always hate it all these stupid catch phrases that these people come up with just to make a sale.
I was told I would have a flying car. I never asked or wanted a self-driving car, I like to drive.
I never asked for an electric car either, but that's just motor-head me.
As if the initial unrestricted artificial intelligence models didn't go full misanthropic racist when left to their own learning, machines have no soul and can not make life's decisions for you.
Why are autopilot cars legal? If you can't just drive a car, then don't.
Stupid people should be mandated to being piloted by taxi cabs, public transit, or their own two feet. Put the EV toys away; leave the driving to those people who have purpose on the road (traveling to work, giving lifts to school children, or the elderly, etc.), those who are conscious, moral, and know they don't want to die, or heaven forbid injure others. The EV gimmick is dying out as the market is proving. Go woke go, err, sorry, I mean, go EV go broke! Strength! GODsp33d!
When will they BAN these Teslas fitted with a feature that does not work as described ?????
I wouldn't worry in Michigan in the snow... Teslas don't work in those conditions.
They used to have these guys. You would call a phone number, & these guys in cars would come to where you were & you could ride in their car they would take you wherever you wanted as long as you payed the fare. They liked to drive around in yellow cars. They were called taxis. Then came Uber, now supposedly "self-driving" cars.
With Uber, you get into some creepy weirdo stranger's car & get taken somewhere, possibly to where you want to go. Or, you can spend the tidy sum of more than you make in a year, to buy your own robot car that likes to catch on fire, or run over people, or smash into things.
They should recall the driving license from anyone using this "autopilot".
These cars are dangerous and in my community working with leaders to ban self driving. Just no need for any of that mess. Bad enough the batteries can combust and burn insanely.
Autopilot should be programmed to automatically disengage whenever emergency vehicles or strobing lights are detected in the vicinity. There’s no good reason to allow a computer to navigate those situations.
I disagree that "self driving cars/trucks are here to stay." They were and are a bad idea, and crashes caused by these vehicles won't stop happening. Insurance companies will raise the cost of insuring these deadly devices until no one will buy them, if local & state authorities don't ban them first for being a hazard to human life. Most of this technology is on EVs, so crashes also raise the additional problem of the battery pack exploding into flames which can't easily be extinguished. End the madness, don't allow them!
Tesla doing a good job? When?
Give me a break!
Tesla is deliberately misrepresenting the abilities of the autopilot system. Too many of their drivers ignore the risks and use it without any monitoring. It’s not like there isn’t any publicity about it. I hope the driver in this case is prosecuted to the whole extent of the law. And I agree with others below that it is amazing the the law hasn’t caught up with this beta testing on public roads. It is just unacceptable.
Self driving cars aren't.
The whole bloody concept of self driving cars,is nothing short of complete imbecility.
I hate to see it on the news and also on youtube, when someone says Autopilot is not autopilot and self driving cars can't see in the rain...etc... THAT IS TOTAL BS.
The most recent Tesla hardware has 5 megapixel Samsung cameras that see in near 0lux conditions and the system isn't based "on a computer", it's an artificial brain that's capable of making much faster decisions than humans. There's no ~200ms lag. Most of the "testers" are experiencing zero intervention drives today and the system gets a lot better every 2 weeks.
Most crashes happen because of misuse OR with old hardware Model S cars, which have much worse cameras and jut the old nVidia chips. That system shouldn't be allowed to activated. BUT for some reason it's not legal to take away features from customers.
If the technology "forces" you to look at the road & touch the wheel, is it really autopilot? I do agree that the paid subscription is very close.
Not a computer, but an artificial brain?
You lost me at "...system isn't based "on a computer", it's an artificial brain...". It is a computer, not a brain. AI software still runs on a computer. It's not Elon's "semi-sentient" marketing BS. Let's face it FULL SELF DRIVING and so-called autopilot are marketing terms and do not reflect the capabilities that their names suggest. Why call something FULL SELF DRIVING when it's still in BETA? Makes no sense. It is blatant false advertising but Elon is immune from such things.
Or... Just drive your car yourself, how lazy can you be? And lock your phone in the trunk before you leave while you're at it.
Mmm mm that sure is some tasty kool aid Elon got there! Seriously dude.