I cannot freaking express my love for the original KOTOR. It was such a masterfully done story that perfectly captures every major theme and idea in Star Wars while taking place in a completely different time with a brand new slate. It was pure Star Wars essence and I've loved every second since I first played it maybe 2 years after its release. Revan, you get an A
Kotor 2 beats Kotor1 hands down. Kotor 1 is still good but there is only the illusion of choice save for a few moments and the story is the overused "Amnesia character" all over again.
@@The.Crawling.Chaos. I can never get into KOTOR 2. It's start is way too slow. Usually I can do a slow burn in movies because maybe that's 1 hour of buildup at most (like Alien or The Shining) but for KOTOR 2 I've gotten like 5 hours in twice recently to unlock the greatness within but I just never got to a point that actually interests me. The buildup is waaaaaaaay too long
Hear hear. Absolutely agree. I think KOTOR 2 wins for its philosophical and writing of side characters, but KOTOR 1 wins in most other categories. They are both excellent games with fantastic stories, just each shines in different ways. The both deserve all the love.
Will you do Kreia because her view on the Force is so different from every character in Star Wars and how she believes the Force to be like an uncaring God that uses people to choose one side or the other, all in the name of a balance that always comes at the cost of many lives.
And the balance isn't stable anyway; it's constantly shifting and getting upset. Dark Side users do some shit for a century or two. The Jedi kick their asses through a combination of sheer dumb luck and a handful of powerful Light Siders. A few centuries of peace ensues. A new breed of Dark Siders returns to shatter the peace. Rinse and repeat. Kreia is right to be pissed at the Force, though I am still confused about two things: 1) Would she really have succeeded at destroying the Force had her schemes concerning the Exile succeeded at Malachor V? It seems far-fetched that something as all-encompassing as the Force could be destroyed by the seemingly simple method Kreia devised. Which is by destroying a living, breathing Wound in the Force (the Exile) in a desolated physical location which is also a Wound in the Force (Malachor V). Or am I missing something? 2) If the Force were to be permanently destroyed, would all living beings really die as many KOTOR 2 characters said it would? The Force binds all things together, but could its death simply not be a major catastrophe as opposed to total extinction?
"If Disney dares touch Revan, I'm gonna scream" That moment when Revan is not only already soft canon, but one of the few if not the only legends Sith to have his saber made into an FX saber. Hes coming ladies and gents.
As long as they adapt the games as best they can to screen. No changes to the story or the characters or the plot. I don't wanna see politics or personal views inserted into the story. I don't wanna see Bastilla as this OP Rey-clone or Malak be made super fascist or Revan be a bitch. Just adapt the game as it is. You have the story and the dialogue. You have the established characters. Don't ruin them. Although there are some changes that I personally would make to the story to make it better. Malak turns out to be a tragic hero-type, Revan has an identity crisis and is unsure where he really should be loyal to, add a character that was a sith loyal to Revan that joins the EHawk crew on Tatooine, give Canderous and arc that ends up with him becoming Mandalore on Lehon and uniting the stranded mandos there. And for the love of God, don't dare change HK at all.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 They don't even have to go through the KOTOR plot initially. They can go to start with Revans years in the temple, something to show him off as a bit of a prodigy, then we can follow him throughout the Mandalorian wars and see how it changes him and his allies. Then from there you get his fall, his rise and more "canon" kotor ending, theres loads to Revan beyond the games.
@@rev0568 I know that but I feel that doing all of that story would take way too long and would end up feeling like a bit of a drag, plus tying actors down for long enough to fill that out would be difficult. I always imagined it would go something like: Season 1 - Revan attempting to capture Bastilla and defeat the Republic but ends with Malak turning on him in the final climactic battle Season 2 - Taris, Dantooine and Tatooine Season 3 - Kashyyk, Manaan and Leviathan Season 4 - Korriban, Rakata Prime and Star forge 10-12 episodes per season and once you've finished that you can then do a prequel series on the Mandalorian wars told from a Mandalorian POV and/or an Exile/Kotor 2 series
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 And? Theres a lot of TV out there that have gone on for long periods of time, and it's not like those actors wouldn't know what they're getting into when they sign the contract. Everyone who knows Revan already knows KOTOR pretty well at this point, but the details of the Mandalorian wars and his time at the temple originally aren't quite as known or detailed. I feel they'd be a lot more interesting than just retreading KOTOR in a different form of media.
Simultaneously surprised by the 70% and still finishing so "low" at 11th. I know very little about Revan (and didn't vote in the poll) so I was excited to see what everyone else thought. These things are a ton of fun and your videos are always interesting, Thor. Keep it up!
Personally, I gave him B just because of the negative impact the character had on the fandom. Revan spawned too many Grey Jedi edgelord-apologosts, I think. Who are blinded by his great design and miss the point of him falling.
@@FelineElaj the great thing about Revan is that he uses the dark side like a tool , he lets the raw force flow through him and in the end followed the will of the force , doing things for the greater good and not listening to the council .
@@udhavbhatia6424 seems to me that one can either use the Force like a tool, or follow the will of the Force, i.e. be used by the Force. One cannot do both at the same time, by definition. Revan didn't, for example. First, he followed the will of the Force (i.e. he was a Jedi). Then, he startet to use the Force like a tool (i.e. he fell to the Dark Side). Next, he redeemed himself and became the expension of the Force again (i.e. he became a Jedi again). But some people, for some reason, belive that Revan's journey meant that he could be both Jedi and Sith, simultaneously. Which is silly. Even in his portrayal in SWTOR, Revan says "I was Sith. I am Jedi", explicitly stating that he is not both, he is just a Jedi. Yet, some see him as some kind of the third type of Force user.
@@FelineElaj I compare Revan to the old je'dai he uses the force in its raw form (like how infants use the force) without a side following its will and also manipulating it.
I didn't mind the Revan content in SWTOR game. First held as a prisoner for 300 years. Then becoming so powerful with the force that he was able to split into a light side spirit and a dark side physical being. Not to mention the whole Revanite story chain on Dromund Kaas.
Man I still remember all those years ago when I first played KotOR s***ing my pants when I found out who Revan was. Arguably greatest SW story never told in theatres.
Easily the most well known Sith Lord in EU and probably has the best ending and alternative ending in video game history. we should do Darth Nihilus next.
@@noone8418 I also want someone to dig out a fully operational battle droid from the sand/snow whose last memory is fighting in the Clone Wars against General Kenobi & General Skywalker, and feels out of place now that there aren't thousands of its kind around it, and has no purpose now that the jedi and clones are over.
Revan is cool. he used to be my favorite character. I never played the game, but I learned his story by watching Antoine Bandele's Star Wars Versus series and reading the book.
Revan is easily one of...if not THE most diverse character in all of Star Wars. This dude mastered the Dark and Light Side of the Force and is the epitome of being the perfect Force User. Not to mention he saved the Republic from certain annihilation against one of the greatest threats the galaxy has ever faced in the Mandalorian Wars.
Ah yes, "certain annihilation". Of course. Everybody knows that it was only because of Revan that the galaxy was saved. After all, it is evident, based on what was showed in the games, right? Both in K2 and *especially* in KOTOR 1. It is made evident by Carth when he doesn't even say, while arguing with Bastila, that the Republic would have fallen without the revanchist, rather than asking her if she expected them to do nothing (which is a hyperbole, in case there was anyone so naive that they need it to be made perfectly clear). Carth, the soldier who is not at all like the majority of the people who only know hearsay about the Jedi and believe that they can actually change the tides of a war with their mere presence (they can't, by the way: the Force doesn't make you a better strategist or tactician, no matter the pathetic excuses Legends fanboys come up with to argue for the contrary). Carth, one from whom we can expect no bias whatsoever and who is not at all a total shill for the Republic (which would be understandable), to the point that he would obtusely be in denial about it being in shady business with the Selkath on Manaan. It is also made evident by Canderous, another completely unbiased source that is not at all a byproduct of decades' worth of crystallized opinions and dogmas that were implanted and cultivated by growing up in his warmongering culture. Canderous, who clearly implied, when he said that they made the galaxy tremble, that the mandalorians had without a doubt the ability to subjugate the entire Republic and its quadrillions of inhabitants (despite their insignificant numbers when compared to the rest of the galaxy), rather than being able to bring war to the core worlds before inevitably and realistically losing their momentum and coming to an equally inevitable and realistic truce from a position that would give them at least some leverage (which is *still* a highly implausible scenario). Canderous, who was only joking and not at all speaking from experience when he flat out said that they were fighting against impossible odds, since he clearly meant that they were simply starting from a difficult position (which would be considered honorable) and not that they were useful idiots for the Sith, who threw them at the Republic like a glorified probe while knowing they wouldn't have a chance at being anything more than a distraction. Finally, it is made evident by the fact that Bastila would not have been even remotely effective against the mandalorians, despite the fact that Revan was only able to keep fighting because they had an infinite army at their disposal and that Malak brought the onslaught to a momentary halt in order to use the very same infinite army to track her down and capture her. Yeah, the mandalorians were not doomed from the very beginning at all. For goodness sake, wake up, you Revan fanboys. It is *only in K2* that people start talking about Revan being the only one that could defeat the mandalorians. More importantly, it does so without giving a shadow of an argument and by shamelessly and dishonestly reducing it to a banal truism. Of course, since avellone realized that, he also pretentiously gave the responsibility to voice the opposing opinions to the Jedi. Except the members of the High Council were constantly strawmanned into cartoonish idiots, so of course very few players would have actually paid attention to anything they said, which is precisely what happened. Here's what it boils down to: a bunch of Legends fanboys believing that K2 had even half a point to be made about Star Wars. And don't even get me started about K2 and its naive hypothesis about the Force, which was debunked by Lucas himself years *before* the game came out.
I can already tell what brought his score down for some people is how he was treated in the Revan book and the Old Republic MMO which personally I like.
By reading the comments in the poll, I guess that he scored like that because a lot of people that don't even know him voted B or C, and because Revan has a lot of haters.
Same. I discovered KOTOR lore first through SWTOR and love both KOTOR games and the MMO. I know a lot of people wanted KOTOR 3, but I’m quite content with the games we have. SWTOR is personally my favorite Star Wars game of all time.
That was obvious all the way back to The Force Awakens, he is also Jacen Solo, the mask is clearly Ravens. The funny thing is, I didn't relate Rey to Bastilla, because Bastilla was a good, believable character, Rey does not feel like she belongs in a Star Wars movie, but then that could also be said of Kylo Ren. They created him into an absolute sociopath. He should have been a level twenty Sith, but for some reason he was conflicted, he murdered his father in cold blood, but somehow he is conflicted??? "There is no conflict," unlike Vader who was unwilling to murder his own son, Kylo had it in him to murder his own father.
Still, he deserved to be notably higher. He's better than several in the top ten, and I say that as someone that's not a hardcore KOTOR fan. Personal theory of mine is the F and D votes were made by people that didn't play the game, and only wanted to protect another character's ranking.
@Lionard Kirsch Not at all! The best characters are all in the Old EU. I mean, even the best versions of the characters in the movies are in the Old EU.
I just had an idea for Old Republic movies. They make 2 trilogies. 1st trilogy: 1. Rise of Revan. This movie depicts Revans rise to power in the Mandalorian Wars and ends with him being placed in charge of the Republic fleet. 2. The Mandalorian Wars. This movie would have many battles across the galaxy against the Mandalorians. It can also include more characters from the games, such as Meetra, Atton, Canderous, Carth, and others. 3. Fall of Revan. This movie starts with the battle of Malachor V. It continues with Revan and Malak going to the unknown regions to confront Vitiate, and falling to the dark side. The second half of the movie is dedicated to the war against the Repbulic. Trilogy 2: Focuses on Revans redemption. 1. Defending the Republic: This movie stars Bastila and Carth, and the desperate defense of the Republic. It can end with the confrontation between Bastila and Revan on Revans flagship, and the "death" of Revan. 2. (no name thought) we star Revans actor, and this pretty much repeats Kotor 1 up to them leaving Dantooine. 3. Revans return: Focus on discovering the Star Maps, and about half way through has the first confrontation between Revan and Malak and reveals the twist. Ends with the fall of Malak. And then maybe a third trilogy on the fallout following Meetra Surik? The reason I like this formula is cause it echoes the prequels and OT: The fall of a jedi, into a hope for the galaxy, who happens to be related somehow to the guy that caused the fall, but returns. In this scenario Revan is the hero and the villain. "Its like poetry, It rhymes" Anyway if you read this tell me your thoughts.
Haven't played the games only videos breaking down his character but I like your idea it does mirror the PT and OT with how it as a fall and redemption. I think this way it also satisfies both player base those who chose the path of the Jedi and those who chose the dark side.
Been coming up with ideas for an entire saga about Revan and the bois for over a year now, Revan, alongside the Exile, are easily some of the best characters in Star Wars!
Wow, great video; some of the coolest & most thoughtful comments of this whole series. I've never played KOTOR & don't know Revan near as well as Thor or people who left comments (I do own & love the light side Black Series figure), but this video just made it clear to me that I need to get far better acquainted with this legendary character.
Honestly just remake the game with modern day graphics, give the player the choice to play it as an action rpg or like the original, give more good/evil choices and even grey ones, rehire the voice actors and Id say that both Disney and EA would have a success of a game in their hands. I’d be even willing to pay full price for that.
Man I wish they would remake/remaster the old games the same way they remade FF7 and turn it into a game more like The Witcher 3 with a more action focus. Just seeing those worlds with modern gen graphics is exciting to me. A guy can dream I guess
Hey awesome video, and thanks for the final comment!!! I wouldn't mind a comprehensive Revan vid either!!! The twist was the biggest moments I remembered actually having my jaw drop from a game haha!!!
Revan was a walking critique of established Star Wars philosophy. What if the neutral pacifism of the jedi actually makes things worse? What if, to save innocent lives, a Jedi has to go to war? How far will you go to do the right thing? Can the dark side be wielded for the greater good? Sure, other SW characters have explored these topics, but Revan's version was the best. Unlike Anakin, Revan was an intelligent and emotionally matured person who wasn't manipulated by some puppet master. And unlike Thrawn, he had to tackle his intellectual and moral challenges while dealing with the dark side of the Force. And all of this was packaged in an amazingly nuanced and polished character with incredibly imaginative delivery.
Hey Thor! if you ever get on the EFAP podcast, think you can quickly ask and rank their ratings on at least the current top 10 characters on the list? (Vader, KENOBI!, 5s, Yoda, Rex Leia, Snips, Luke, Han, and Qui-gon)
Now that I think about it, Revans story is very similar to Jacen Solos. They both began as light siders, went through some awful crap with Jacen experiencing war, loss, and the embrace of pain at a young age, and Revan going through a lot during the Mandalorian wars. They both went adventuring searching for something force related and came back very different.While Revan came back as a Sith Lord, it took Jacen a little longer. But they both did awful things for the greater good of the galaxy, they saw something awful on their adventures and they turned so they could save the galaxy as they believed that only they could.
I do think this was maybe the greatest character ever thought of for a jedi in a video game his attempt to give him a cannon story was fine, but they fell flat by comparison in the other parts of the story they tried to add. I think they got lost in the cool of revan and not the story of revan and this i feel will be worse when disney decides to touch revan, although i had a though on how that could be done without harming the mystique of revan. We have many great characters in the story of revan and if instead of telling revans story directly you do a kind of mini mcu. You tell the other characters tales as the main stories, remaster the original games and add a third wrap up game but leave revans story still wreathed in mystery for some. You could obviously have revan appear in these other stories but not as the whole plot and i almost feel like video game would still be the best medium over film for this whole idea.
Revan is my favorite Jedi and Sith, with Obi-Wan and Vader being close second and third (let you figure which one is second and which one is third). I played KotOR in 2005 or 2006 I think. Got myself a second-hand original Xbox and found that game. It did take me until the 3rd character to actually complete the game, the 2 previous ones got stuck at Calo Nord. Difficult game but well worth the effort to complete. I do love what Bioware did with the character even in The Old Republic, the MMO game, but I'm not a fan of what they did with the Emperor, Viciate, a bit over the top with those ones. Love the design of Revan as well.
I always thought it was a huge plot hole in KOTOR that NO ONE in the galaxy knew what Revan looked like without his/her mask. Revan only donned the mask when the Mandalorian Wars started so it's impossible to believe that the whole time you're running around as the character not one person is like "OMG it's Revan! Look at this picture on Space Google, that's you!" I mean Revan was basically Winston Churchill AND Adolf Hitler so he/she would be a pretty well-recognised name and face across the galaxy.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Canonically, yes, but I was referring specifically to the KOTOR game in which you can choose Revan's gender. Completely beside the point by the way.
@@lucasmoura6276 I could be completely wrong (and would be totally open to that), I just remember having this discussion with a few friends back in the day and none of them had an answer for it haha. Like MAYBE the Jedi tried purging Revan's face from all their records when they did their mind wipe but this doesn't account for all the Jedi Revan would have known before going off to the Mandalorian Wars (most of whom followed Revan then became Sith). Most of them would remember Revan's face and given how many Sith you slaughter while playing the game, surely some of them knew Revan from the Jedi days. Calo Nord even seems to figure it out and tells Malak and he is neither Sith nor Jedi.
The original kotor game is the best Star Wars content ever created, it’s the entire original trilogy in a game where you experience what happens Revan is ultimately the greatest foil of anikan he followed almost the same path but he did it for such different reasons Revan was a man who excepted the burden of the galaxy onto himself, he was so selfless that he was willing to betray his own ideals and everything he stood for, for the sake of the galaxy. Anakin was so consumed by his desires and attachments, his selfishness. They followed the same path but the reasons was so different. Plus he is without a doubt one of the strongest characters in Star Wars ever, as a Sith Lord he is one of the strongest ever and the same followed as a Jedi. One thing I find fascinating is that revan was ultimately the only person we ever see to use the light and dark side at the same time, which while it seems impossible I do not believe it is. Because the light is following the will of the force and the dark is warping it to your will, Revan did both you can argue two points, he warped the force till it’s goals aligned with his own or more realisticly, Revan followed the will of the force in a way thst the force cannot support.
Say what you will about SWTOR - it is most likely perfectly valid - but I think the VA they picked for Revan in the base game did an outstanding job at portraying the Character. Again, whatever else you want to hold against TOR for how they treated Revan, that's a party I'll likely show up to, but whoever voiced him deserves none of the ire. That's how I always imagined him sounding, sonorous, powerful, but with this almost sagely element to him. To me, it was the perfect casting choice. And I don't hate on his Canonical face either. Yes, I consider it canonical, Disney can't tell me what to do.
Does anybody want a video where HelloGreedo and Thor just have a conversation about Star Wars. I just think that it would be interesting because I think that they’re both level headed enough to not have an us vs then mentality
Funny. I just completed another Kotor 1 playthrough 30 mins ago. Was still an alright game to return to after 17 years. but Man I never got the Revan hype. I always thought that I am Revan. Or we are Revan since it's the player char who is Revan and btw. unless you are 12 years old then you will see the twist coming a mile away :D I find Exar Kun much more interesting. Revan is basically just Exar Kun all over again with a klunky twist.
I would reckon that people being able to project their headcannon onto Revan helps a great deal to how high people rate him, in fact considering the character as a whole he seems to suffer a bit from gary stu aspects during and after the Revan novel. In other words if I were to be blunt, I'd say that Revan is unreasonably overrated when you actually look at his character and story. At least people were generally more reasonable to have Boba Fett(who for all intents and purposes is just a henchmen) as their big favourite being based in just coolness.
@Lionard Kirsch Just to be clear I said, "he seems to suffer a bit from gary stu aspects" Not that he was one. If I recall correctly the moment he regains his mask he goes off and immediately reflects the force lightning of a Sith lord back onto herself, whom of which was powerful enough to take down the another Sith lord and the person who has been leeching on the life force of many of those who die around her in one attack. Then there is the case that Revan was so powerful that he was able to use his powers to mentally delay Vitiates plans to invade the galaxy by 3 centuries while imprisoned and being tortured for info. Extra: This ain't something I remember just what I saw on Wookiepedia "His mastery allowed himself to open up to both sides of the Force simultaneously, summoning such power that he could then unleash the Force in its purest form - Revan crumbled a stone archway and blew open the large doors to the Sith Emperor's throne room with simple gestures" Lets not also forget that whole shtick in SWTOR that required the Republic/Jedi and Empire/Sith to ally with each other to be the all powerful Revan. Granted, he is only really a Gary Stu in terms of his abilities, but nevertheless he becomes stupidly overpowered ("Most powerful Jedi of his time") in 13 years (Start of Mando Wars and end of Kotor 2) for no inexplicable reason other then he is Revan and he studied the dark side and light(I'm fine with the whole tactical genius during the Mandalorian wars but the power strength is a bit bloody much).
About the game: Like you, not only did I like the fact that it was a Star Wars game that felt like one of the better books (or even movies), it used the d20 mechanics of 3rd Edition Dungeons and Dragons (or more specifically, the d20 version of the Star Wars RPG that was also out at the time). I did two playthroughs: One full on Light Side, and one full Dark Side (although I didn't kill all my companions, so maybe I should play it again ^_^). I loved that Bioware did that with this game, and with the Mass Effect series later (with Paragon and Renegade, and I sorely missed this system in ME: Andromeda).
If Lucasfilm does anything with Revan, I would want Drew Karpyshyn involved as a consultant at the very least. My Revan followed closely to Drew’s cannon/legends character.
@@RogersRoger No it didn't. Revan's motivations had never been established, just speculated. And what you need to realize is that having Revan willingly embrace the dark side would make him an idiot because the dark side cannot be used for good. Kreia only suggested it because she herself was a Sith. Not to mention that KOTOR 1 stated that Revan's fall began before the Mandalorian Wars with his over-ambitious thirst for knowledge. And nothing about Meetra was retconned as she was pretty much just a blank slate in KOTOR 2.
My favorite Revan is the Revan in the Bane book. Bane creator of the rule of two created it off Revan Sith teaching. I such a well respected way to use Revan without ruining Revan, Unless your Revan was never dark side in the first place. It also makes sense the holocron considing what the Jedi did to him. Unless it was always Revan goal to repair the Jedi in the future by a full reset/or see how the sith truly end. With a Character like Revan I wouldn't put it past him.
I made a comment already on revan but had to make a seperate comment on your idea about kylo attempting to feign turning and end the dark side was excellent and i feel this would have been a much better way to include luke into his story with the whole did he approve or not. Maybe had him not approve think he had failed his prize student actually think he has fallen and lacks the will to try and stop him in the first instance even knowing he is partly responsible. But then he gets the reminder via rey from his sister leia that he is needed and she bears him no ill will but to help her because he is her only hope of facing kylos power long enough to get though to him. This would have more or less wrapped up lukes and the og heros part in the story completing the hand over to the new heros rey, finn and poe to lead the way for the future.
Raven is a great story line. If it done right. Going from the light to dark back to the light. Love to see that in a movie. Disney MUST DO IT RIGHT! (this is the way)
Revan is cool and I really enjoyed playing through KOTOR, and I like the references to him in the Bane trilogy, but I do think people exaggerate how great he really is. He was a powerful Jedi but hardly perfect. He defies the Council and defeats the Mandalorians at great cost, and save the galaxy only to fall to the dark and become that threat in a heightened form. He failed to understand the Jed Council's point that in fighting the Mandalorians in the absolute fashion that he did, he would become the very problem he was proposing to stop. Further, people claim that he is the greatest as he mastered the light and the dark. Yet, it seems patently untrue that he was truly a master of the light since he fell to the dark and he became a scourge of all life, which is anathema to the light. A powerful Jedi, but like Anakin, hardly a master. Likewise, whether mastering the dark is a meritorious accomplishment is debatable. The Force is not balanced or mastered by placing the light in opposition to the darkness and ideally achieving mastery of both. This grey jedi notion is one of the unfortunate consequences of games like KOTOR and the way they describe the Force. The Force better described as the sympathetic energy of all living things existing in balance with each other. What has come to be called the lightside is in truth the Force as it is when living things are in balance and harmony with each other. The darkside destroys this balance and aggregates energy and power to the individual with the consequence that while the darksider becomes more powerful individually than they would have been able otherwise, they are in an unnatural and unbalanced state that destroys all beings around them and eventually corrupts and destroys the darksider as well. No balance there. Lastly, Revan didn't redeem himself as is often claimed, but rather he was forcibly given an opportunity by the Jedi to start over as a new padawan with no memories (due to Malak's betrayal). He is not like Vader who decided--while still being a powerful, conscious Sith--to return to the light to save Luke. Again, Revan is a great Star Wars video game character, but as an actual in-world character, he is not as great as many others.
Great assessment dude. And an very reasonable as well. Sure he is great, but he’s not the greatest guy. If we only go by the KOTOR games, he’s much more of a player insert. I feel like the MMO gives him depth in that regard. During the Shadow of Revan DLC I choked up a couple of times during the important conversations. Really enjoyed reading your comment bro.
@@vortexflash4944 Thanks dude. I appreciate it. I have not played SWTOR, and maybe that is to the detriment of my take on Revan. Still, he is a a good character and it is hard not to admire what they were able to accomplish with him.
The Zen Master and the Little Boy: ruclips.net/video/e2cjVhUrmII/видео.html Revan is so far my favorite character. I could care less about the force. I like that he went the full breadth of the spectrum: good to bad to good to bad and back again. Never truly either. Kreia would be a very close second. Also, I have no parents: I make the heavens and earth my parents. I have no home: I make awareness my home. I have no life or death: I make the tides of breathing my life and death. I have no divined power: I make honesty my divine power. I have no means: I make understanding my means. I have no magic secrets: I make character my magic secret. I have no body: I make endurance my body. I have no eye: I make the flash of lightning my eyes. I have no ears: I make sensibility my ears. I have no limbs: I make promptness my limbs. I have no strategy: I make "unshadowed by thought" my strategy. I have no designs: I make "seizing opportunity by the forelock" my design. I have no miracles: I make right-action my miracles. I have no principles: I make adaptability to all circumstances my principles. I have no tactics: I make emptiness and fullness my tactics. I have not talents: I make ready with my talent. I have no friends: I make my mind my friend. I have no enemy: I make carelessness my enemy. I have no armor: I make benevolence and righteousness my armor. I have not castle: I make immovable-mind my castle. I have no sword: I make absence of self my sword. -Anonymous Samurai, 14th century The most significant part of this poem is the fact it signed anonymously. This is selflessness. The fact that whom ever wrote this recognized the word were more important than the person. This is what the Jedi were modeled after. The Jedi lost their way when they started recording names and compared their skills and powers to each another.
I love Revan but kind of have my own head cannon as far as his arc goes. I always loved the idea that he never really considered himself a sith. His "fall" was a product of his becoming hardened and jaded through the the Mandalorian Wars. After defeating Mandalor the Ultimate and finding out about the Sith Emperor, he decides for himself that the Republic and Jedi order as is would stand no chance against the Sith Empire. In order to protect it, he had to conquer it. I just never really liked the idea that he was brainwashed.
If we ever got a full length Revan movie it should be an animated movie with Blur studios doing the animation since they are the ones who animated the old republic online trailers.
What is there to say? One of the best and most nuanced star wars characters. The only thing he did wrong was allowing himself and his allies to be slandered in TOR. We really deserved a KOTOR 3 tying 1 and 2 together, not an installment in an MMO or a book
I've been waiting for this one, thanks for including my comment! Love your vids👍 Edit: a comprehensive Revan video would be really cool, especially since I keep trying to learn more about his character
Thor, on the subject of Revan, there is something I remembered if you see this! Now, we all know of Revans history with the mandalorians. We all know Dave Filoni is one of the main heads for the Mandalorian. What some may not know and forget, is Dave nearly put Revan in the clone wars on Mortis. Obviously it might not happen, but what if Revans first appearance, is in the Mandalorian? One of the few sources of good star wars content at the moment?
What video editing software do you use? I’m really bad with technology but trying to start a RUclips channel and your simple picture to picture with voice overlay is pretty much what I’d likely do I’m just not sure how to even do that
One of the things I like about Revan is that the character I chose for him was the one that ended up as canon, right down to the scared face I chose for him. I named him Rutger Orion....after Rutger Hauer and Orion the Hunter. I wasn't so lucky with KOTOR 2, I even got the gender wrong. I named him Falco Vando....after Falco, know for "Rock me Amadeus," and the Canadian Royal 22nd Regiment, the Van Doos. What Star Wars fan who has played the game, does not love the character that is Revan?
I love kotor and imma be honest I knew about the dark and light system and honestly thought about how I would react to the situations presented in the game (which became hard after the reveal and what the Jedi did to the character) and when Bastila tried to convince me to join her and bring down Malak and the Sith (in this run I did romance her) I decided to fight those that wronged me and I wiped out the Jedi and Malak so I wouldn’t be a puppet to anyone
I'm glad Revan isn't getting more attention. If he got more that means the mainstream media would make articles making dumb demands for his character. The idiots at Disney would butcher his character.
The only thing disney can do with Revan would be to make a prequel book or movie about his time with bane but it would be weird making him talk they can't make the games into a bad movie that makes there a "canon version" nor can they scrap it and make it completley diffrent
If you do a rundown of Revan in another video, could you try and tailor it for both fans of the games and those who have not played them. When they came out, I was but a learner, so I missed them and in recent years I (somehow, shamefully) haven't made the time to play them. I'd love a video from you about Revan, but avoiding any huge spoilers would be greatly appreciated
Personally I never really fell in love with the first KotoR, probably because I never really played it back when it was relatively new. I find the way it presents light and dark side too cartoonish and I think the first game just got the jedi wrong (maybe the sith as well, since I have no idea how the ideology we're presented with ever manages to get anything done at all). The endings are good but don't really fit the character imo (my favourite ending is the cut content one in which a dark side female Revan is saved by Carth, just because it's the most nuanced of the lot). Personally I think the writing of the second game is leagues better, but the main character isn't quite as interesting. So I actually (conceptually at least) really like the idea that was rumored that EA is looking at making a game that merges elements of the original games into one, although I'm not sure I trust EA to get the concept right.
I feel like the "amazing twist" while it may have been good, is diminished in value. Kind of like I am your father. It's impactful, and important, but nobody is going to be surprised by it that plays KotOR. I gave Revan a C because he's very template. He doesn't deserve an A, nor does he deserve an F. He is whatever you want. I feel like he's more of a symbol than a real character.
@@inarencommander4663 First of all, yes it is. Second of all, the books didn't establish Revan's character arc, supplementary materials by Drew Karpyshyn did.
You could still do the twist with a bit of manipulation of the story. Maybe Revan was so badly messed up by the bridge blowing up that the Jedi needed to give him a new face and identity and they pick a republic soldier who recently died as his new identity. You can then basically just give new reasons for why he's force sensitive and why he has a bond with Bastilla. I have some stupid thoughts on the reasons but my comments already too long. Plus I imagined that any KOTOR Screen adaption would make Revan's character the KOTOR 2 Revan described by Kreia
Thor, I think this is the first video in which you disapointed me. I originally followed your channel because you gave every issue you discuss a fair shake; you present both sides of the subject, as well as the facts, and let us decide for ourselves what we think. Despite Revan getting a lavish tongue bath by his fans, I saw a LOT of respectful, well-argued comments on the poll about why he is not an A-tier character or why some people do not like him. Not a single one of those comments made it into this video, nor were any of Revan's "issues" that you alluded to even briefly mentioned. I think this is the first video of yours where the bias is obvious, to modify a quote from Darth Sidious; "Your nostalgia blinds you, Master Thor." I am interested in seeing that comprehensive video, but only if it is an objective look at the lore. May the Force be with you, and keep up the great work.
Same here. This is the only video in this channel that disappointed me. Ironically, it did so in a severe manner. Not giving space to any of the thoughtful negative comments about Revan is quite possibly the most blatant example of bias for a character that I've ever seen in a while, and I believe that this is the only video about a character in which Thor didn't show any of the negative opinions. The disappointment is made even greater by the fact that this channel has always been useful in clarifying and debunking misinterpretations about Star Wars, many of which were started and amplified in the Legends community. KOTOR games, especially K2, suffer heavily from that. Now I don't really know how to feel about this lore video about Revan. Many of the most ridiculous aspects of Revan come from K2, which is a game that is pretty much built upon misinterpretations and misunderstandings about the franchise.
While Meetra Surik is my #1 favorite Jedi, I can't seem to keep Revan out of my personal top 5 Jedi, he has to be up there with Obi-Wan, Ashoka, and Kyle Katarn, a character who fell to the darkside doing the right thing for the right reasons, and showed what happens when a idealistic Jedi becomes exposed to the true horrors of Total War. I'd love to see a show about him that has something of Joseph Conrads Heart of Darkness in it: You can not remain naive and innocent when this much horror is happening around you. How would Jedi deal? Would they become inured to suffering? Above it, uncaring and unsymapthetic observes to whom human life just becomes another number? Would they burn with a desire to excact retribution on those who destroyed lives they swore to protect? Was suicicide a problem in the ranks of the Jedi in Revans army? Jedi pushed to the point where, unable to protect the worlds in their care, they chose to end it all than live with the shame? And above it all stands the slowly darkening commander, Revan, at the other end of the river, in darkness, and even Meetra and Malak can't truly reach him anymore.
By comparison my love for Meetra is because she isn't the strategic mastermind, she's a tactical genious, and maybe quite good on the operational level, but she's a deconstruction of the Jedi Archetype. The heroic knight jumping in to save the day, swinging a lightsaber (Rianne take note); Meetra is always ready for action, always ready to fight for what she believes is right.... and she almost always get's it hilariously wrong. Sure she saves the outpost on Dantooine, which without her command and fighting skills would have been over run by Mercs, but that only happens because she "rescues" a Jedi Master from peace talks. Sure she managed to defeat the pro-sith faction on Onderon, but they only rise up when the presence of a Jedi in their midst forces their hand. Sure she has to defeat Kreia, put an End to the Sith threat and restore the Jedi Order... but had she stayed in Exile the Jedi Masters would have survived in hiding, and neither Malachor, nor Kreia would ever have been a threat.
Thor I have an idea Kotor 3 happens but it has little to nothing to do with Revan all is is ins mentioned cause that al he was in kotor 2 cause then it doesn't screw with the events of SWTOR
You did the light side path on KOTOR and your brother did the dark path. Sounds like me and my brother lol. I've done the dark side before but I almost always do the light and my brother is vice versa
Why Keanu Reeves as Revan? What is everybody’s insane obsession with Keanu Reeves since John Wick? The Matrix was great, but a lot of people didn’t know who Keanu Reeves was before John Wick and now everyone’s acting like they’re lifelong fans who have followed his whole career. I don’t get it!
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You did it! You actually did it. I mean it took awhile but hey it’s here now.
*We Won*
now we're going to get Meetra Surik
Ah,victory.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I cannot freaking express my love for the original KOTOR. It was such a masterfully done story that perfectly captures every major theme and idea in Star Wars while taking place in a completely different time with a brand new slate. It was pure Star Wars essence and I've loved every second since I first played it maybe 2 years after its release. Revan, you get an A
Kotor 2 beats Kotor1 hands down. Kotor 1 is still good but there is only the illusion of choice save for a few moments and the story is the overused "Amnesia character" all over again.
@@The.Crawling.Chaos. truth.
@@The.Crawling.Chaos. I can never get into KOTOR 2. It's start is way too slow. Usually I can do a slow burn in movies because maybe that's 1 hour of buildup at most (like Alien or The Shining) but for KOTOR 2 I've gotten like 5 hours in twice recently to unlock the greatness within but I just never got to a point that actually interests me. The buildup is waaaaaaaay too long
Honestly KOTOR was a better story than most of the movies
Hear hear. Absolutely agree.
I think KOTOR 2 wins for its philosophical and writing of side characters, but KOTOR 1 wins in most other categories.
They are both excellent games with fantastic stories, just each shines in different ways. The both deserve all the love.
Will you do Kreia because her view on the Force is so different from every character in Star Wars and how she believes the Force to be like an uncaring God that uses people to choose one side or the other, all in the name of a balance that always comes at the cost of many lives.
And the balance isn't stable anyway; it's constantly shifting and getting upset. Dark Side users do some shit for a century or two. The Jedi kick their asses through a combination of sheer dumb luck and a handful of powerful Light Siders. A few centuries of peace ensues. A new breed of Dark Siders returns to shatter the peace. Rinse and repeat. Kreia is right to be pissed at the Force, though I am still confused about two things:
1) Would she really have succeeded at destroying the Force had her schemes concerning the Exile succeeded at Malachor V? It seems far-fetched that something as all-encompassing as the Force could be destroyed by the seemingly simple method Kreia devised. Which is by destroying a living, breathing Wound in the Force (the Exile) in a desolated physical location which is also a Wound in the Force (Malachor V). Or am I missing something?
2) If the Force were to be permanently destroyed, would all living beings really die as many KOTOR 2 characters said it would? The Force binds all things together, but could its death simply not be a major catastrophe as opposed to total extinction?
"If Disney dares touch Revan, I'm gonna scream"
That moment when Revan is not only already soft canon, but one of the few if not the only legends Sith to have his saber made into an FX saber. Hes coming ladies and gents.
As long as they adapt the games as best they can to screen. No changes to the story or the characters or the plot. I don't wanna see politics or personal views inserted into the story. I don't wanna see Bastilla as this OP Rey-clone or Malak be made super fascist or Revan be a bitch.
Just adapt the game as it is. You have the story and the dialogue. You have the established characters. Don't ruin them. Although there are some changes that I personally would make to the story to make it better. Malak turns out to be a tragic hero-type, Revan has an identity crisis and is unsure where he really should be loyal to, add a character that was a sith loyal to Revan that joins the EHawk crew on Tatooine, give Canderous and arc that ends up with him becoming Mandalore on Lehon and uniting the stranded mandos there.
And for the love of God, don't dare change HK at all.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 They don't even have to go through the KOTOR plot initially. They can go to start with Revans years in the temple, something to show him off as a bit of a prodigy, then we can follow him throughout the Mandalorian wars and see how it changes him and his allies. Then from there you get his fall, his rise and more "canon" kotor ending, theres loads to Revan beyond the games.
@@rev0568 I know that but I feel that doing all of that story would take way too long and would end up feeling like a bit of a drag, plus tying actors down for long enough to fill that out would be difficult. I always imagined it would go something like:
Season 1 - Revan attempting to capture Bastilla and defeat the Republic but ends with Malak turning on him in the final climactic battle
Season 2 - Taris, Dantooine and Tatooine
Season 3 - Kashyyk, Manaan and Leviathan
Season 4 - Korriban, Rakata Prime and Star forge
10-12 episodes per season and once you've finished that you can then do a prequel series on the Mandalorian wars told from a Mandalorian POV and/or an Exile/Kotor 2 series
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 And? Theres a lot of TV out there that have gone on for long periods of time, and it's not like those actors wouldn't know what they're getting into when they sign the contract. Everyone who knows Revan already knows KOTOR pretty well at this point, but the details of the Mandalorian wars and his time at the temple originally aren't quite as known or detailed. I feel they'd be a lot more interesting than just retreading KOTOR in a different form of media.
To me, Revan is the best Star Wars character next to Darth Vader. Lol
Well, that makes two of us
Well that makes three of us.
Well that makes four of us.
To me he is above Vader/Anakin
Well that makes five of us.
Simultaneously surprised by the 70% and still finishing so "low" at 11th. I know very little about Revan (and didn't vote in the poll) so I was excited to see what everyone else thought. These things are a ton of fun and your videos are always interesting, Thor. Keep it up!
70% A, but the other high A%'s didn't also get 3% in F.
Personally, I gave him B just because of the negative impact the character had on the fandom. Revan spawned too many Grey Jedi edgelord-apologosts, I think. Who are blinded by his great design and miss the point of him falling.
@@FelineElaj the great thing about Revan is that he uses the dark side like a tool , he lets the raw force flow through him and in the end followed the will of the force , doing things for the greater good and not listening to the council .
@@udhavbhatia6424 seems to me that one can either use the Force like a tool, or follow the will of the Force, i.e. be used by the Force. One cannot do both at the same time, by definition. Revan didn't, for example. First, he followed the will of the Force (i.e. he was a Jedi). Then, he startet to use the Force like a tool (i.e. he fell to the Dark Side). Next, he redeemed himself and became the expension of the Force again (i.e. he became a Jedi again).
But some people, for some reason, belive that Revan's journey meant that he could be both Jedi and Sith, simultaneously. Which is silly. Even in his portrayal in SWTOR, Revan says "I was Sith. I am Jedi", explicitly stating that he is not both, he is just a Jedi. Yet, some see him as some kind of the third type of Force user.
@@FelineElaj I compare Revan to the old je'dai he uses the force in its raw form (like how infants use the force) without a side following its will and also manipulating it.
I didn't mind the Revan content in SWTOR game. First held as a prisoner for 300 years. Then becoming so powerful with the force that he was able to split into a light side spirit and a dark side physical being. Not to mention the whole Revanite story chain on Dromund Kaas.
Man I still remember all those years ago when I first played KotOR s***ing my pants when I found out who Revan was. Arguably greatest SW story never told in theatres.
Agree 100%
Easily the most well known Sith Lord in EU and probably has the best ending and alternative ending in video game history. we should do Darth Nihilus next.
@Darth Ranger 1. Revan is not at all being 2. Nihulus is not as good as revan
@Darth Ranger ooo someone is an edgy boi
Kreia next
@Darth Ranger did u wake up on the wrong side of the bed today 🤔
Mara Jade Skywalker next please!
Vote for R2! The only character that knows everything!
So true!
THAT would make a good story. Someone finds R2, befriends him, realizing he hasn’t had a memory wipe every and explores his data banks!
@@noone8418 George Lucas orginally wanted to end the story with the whole thing being told from R2's point of view but sequels messed up that idea lol
@@noone8418 I also want someone to dig out a fully operational battle droid from the sand/snow whose last memory is fighting in the Clone Wars against General Kenobi & General Skywalker, and feels out of place now that there aren't thousands of its kind around it, and has no purpose now that the jedi and clones are over.
@@zedchillman2685 they messed up ALL ideas
Revan is cool. he used to be my favorite character. I never played the game, but I learned his story by watching Antoine Bandele's Star Wars Versus series and reading the book.
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Revan is easily one of...if not THE most diverse character in all of Star Wars. This dude mastered the Dark and Light Side of the Force and is the epitome of being the perfect Force User. Not to mention he saved the Republic from certain annihilation against one of the greatest threats the galaxy has ever faced in the Mandalorian Wars.
Yes Mandalore the ultimate and the mandalorian wars need to be discussed more
Ah yes, "certain annihilation".
Of course. Everybody knows that it was only because of Revan that the galaxy was saved. After all, it is evident, based on what was showed in the games, right? Both in K2 and *especially* in KOTOR 1.
It is made evident by Carth when he doesn't even say, while arguing with Bastila, that the Republic would have fallen without the revanchist, rather than asking her if she expected them to do nothing (which is a hyperbole, in case there was anyone so naive that they need it to be made perfectly clear). Carth, the soldier who is not at all like the majority of the people who only know hearsay about the Jedi and believe that they can actually change the tides of a war with their mere presence (they can't, by the way: the Force doesn't make you a better strategist or tactician, no matter the pathetic excuses Legends fanboys come up with to argue for the contrary). Carth, one from whom we can expect no bias whatsoever and who is not at all a total shill for the Republic (which would be understandable), to the point that he would obtusely be in denial about it being in shady business with the Selkath on Manaan.
It is also made evident by Canderous, another completely unbiased source that is not at all a byproduct of decades' worth of crystallized opinions and dogmas that were implanted and cultivated by growing up in his warmongering culture. Canderous, who clearly implied, when he said that they made the galaxy tremble, that the mandalorians had without a doubt the ability to subjugate the entire Republic and its quadrillions of inhabitants (despite their insignificant numbers when compared to the rest of the galaxy), rather than being able to bring war to the core worlds before inevitably and realistically losing their momentum and coming to an equally inevitable and realistic truce from a position that would give them at least some leverage (which is *still* a highly implausible scenario). Canderous, who was only joking and not at all speaking from experience when he flat out said that they were fighting against impossible odds, since he clearly meant that they were simply starting from a difficult position (which would be considered honorable) and not that they were useful idiots for the Sith, who threw them at the Republic like a glorified probe while knowing they wouldn't have a chance at being anything more than a distraction.
Finally, it is made evident by the fact that Bastila would not have been even remotely effective against the mandalorians, despite the fact that Revan was only able to keep fighting because they had an infinite army at their disposal and that Malak brought the onslaught to a momentary halt in order to use the very same infinite army to track her down and capture her.
Yeah, the mandalorians were not doomed from the very beginning at all.
For goodness sake, wake up, you Revan fanboys. It is *only in K2* that people start talking about Revan being the only one that could defeat the mandalorians. More importantly, it does so without giving a shadow of an argument and by shamelessly and dishonestly reducing it to a banal truism. Of course, since avellone realized that, he also pretentiously gave the responsibility to voice the opposing opinions to the Jedi. Except the members of the High Council were constantly strawmanned into cartoonish idiots, so of course very few players would have actually paid attention to anything they said, which is precisely what happened.
Here's what it boils down to: a bunch of Legends fanboys believing that K2 had even half a point to be made about Star Wars. And don't even get me started about K2 and its naive hypothesis about the Force, which was debunked by Lucas himself years *before* the game came out.
Fan1: I played Kotor Revan is amazing
Fan2: I read the books
Fan3: I played Swotor
Me: I watched lore videos on YT
Plot twist: Fan3 is lying cause there's only one book.
@@peskymacaw9033 *Fan2
I've been waiting for this video for months!
I can already tell what brought his score down for some people is how he was treated in the Revan book and the Old Republic MMO which personally I like.
By reading the comments in the poll, I guess that he scored like that because a lot of people that don't even know him voted B or C, and because Revan has a lot of haters.
Same. I discovered KOTOR lore first through SWTOR and love both KOTOR games and the MMO. I know a lot of people wanted KOTOR 3, but I’m quite content with the games we have. SWTOR is personally my favorite Star Wars game of all time.
I find facinating that Kylo Ren looks like a carbon copy of him in terms of design
Same with Rey towards Bastilla
imagine if they didn't waste Adam Driver's acting talent on Kylo's writing
I never thought of that before.
They stole...nothing original about the ST
That was obvious all the way back to The Force Awakens, he is also Jacen Solo, the mask is clearly Ravens. The funny thing is, I didn't relate Rey to Bastilla, because Bastilla was a good, believable character, Rey does not feel like she belongs in a Star Wars movie, but then that could also be said of Kylo Ren. They created him into an absolute sociopath. He should have been a level twenty Sith, but for some reason he was conflicted, he murdered his father in cold blood, but somehow he is conflicted??? "There is no conflict," unlike Vader who was unwilling to murder his own son, Kylo had it in him to murder his own father.
@@thethoughtcriminal8786 He just kept doing the wrong decision the whole time
Fantastic character. And its so cool and unique about him is he can be whatever we want him to be, we decide how he plays out.
“I love Democracy “ It’s nice to see an expanded universe character score much better than the sequel trilogy characters
I find better than he's above OT and PT characters
The EU characters were sometimes better than any of the movies ones
Still, he deserved to be notably higher. He's better than several in the top ten, and I say that as someone that's not a hardcore KOTOR fan.
Personal theory of mine is the F and D votes were made by people that didn't play the game, and only wanted to protect another character's ranking.
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@Lionard Kirsch Not at all! The best characters are all in the Old EU. I mean, even the best versions of the characters in the movies are in the Old EU.
I hear a lot of people saying Keanu Reeves would play Revan well but I think Michael Fassbender would do a much better job
I can see that.
I just had an idea for Old Republic movies. They make 2 trilogies. 1st trilogy:
1. Rise of Revan. This movie depicts Revans rise to power in the Mandalorian Wars and ends with him being placed in charge of the Republic fleet.
2. The Mandalorian Wars. This movie would have many battles across the galaxy against the Mandalorians. It can also include more characters from the games, such as Meetra, Atton, Canderous, Carth, and others.
3. Fall of Revan. This movie starts with the battle of Malachor V. It continues with Revan and Malak going to the unknown regions to confront Vitiate, and falling to the dark side. The second half of the movie is dedicated to the war against the Repbulic.
Trilogy 2: Focuses on Revans redemption.
1. Defending the Republic: This movie stars Bastila and Carth, and the desperate defense of the Republic. It can end with the confrontation between Bastila and Revan on Revans flagship, and the "death" of Revan.
2. (no name thought) we star Revans actor, and this pretty much repeats Kotor 1 up to them leaving Dantooine.
3. Revans return: Focus on discovering the Star Maps, and about half way through has the first confrontation between Revan and Malak and reveals the twist. Ends with the fall of Malak.
And then maybe a third trilogy on the fallout following Meetra Surik?
The reason I like this formula is cause it echoes the prequels and OT: The fall of a jedi, into a hope for the galaxy, who happens to be related somehow to the guy that caused the fall, but returns. In this scenario Revan is the hero and the villain. "Its like poetry, It rhymes"
Anyway if you read this tell me your thoughts.
Haven't played the games only videos breaking down his character but I like your idea it does mirror the PT and OT with how it as a fall and redemption. I think this way it also satisfies both player base those who chose the path of the Jedi and those who chose the dark side.
@Lionard Kirsch well yeah that's the idea, we can only include the important stuff in the movies.
Revan also created the Sith Holocron that Darth Bane used to create the rule of two
AND I'M SO GLAD YOU FINALLY MADE THIS VIDEO!!!!! Revan is my favorite character for a multitude of reasons. Simply amazing.
Been coming up with ideas for an entire saga about Revan and the bois for over a year now, Revan, alongside the Exile, are easily some of the best characters in Star Wars!
The real Revan is the friends we made along the way.
Wow, great video; some of the coolest & most thoughtful comments of this whole series. I've never played KOTOR & don't know Revan near as well as Thor or people who left comments (I do own & love the light side Black Series figure), but this video just made it clear to me that I need to get far better acquainted with this legendary character.
My fave Star Wars character he’s so amazing even my kids who are 8 and 3 fight over his action figure to the point where I had to buy them each one
Honestly just remake the game with modern day graphics, give the player the choice to play it as an action rpg or like the original, give more good/evil choices and even grey ones, rehire the voice actors and Id say that both Disney and EA would have a success of a game in their hands. I’d be even willing to pay full price for that.
Thank you for doing this, hopefully Disney gets a hint and sees how much the fans love Revan.
Love Revan hope we see him in a movie or tv show soon
Man I wish they would remake/remaster the old games the same way they remade FF7 and turn it into a game more like The Witcher 3 with a more action focus. Just seeing those worlds with modern gen graphics is exciting to me. A guy can dream I guess
Hey awesome video, and thanks for the final comment!!! I wouldn't mind a comprehensive Revan vid either!!! The twist was the biggest moments I remembered actually having my jaw drop from a game haha!!!
I’ve been looking forward to this 🥰
As Revan is my favorite character, I vote for my next favorite... Kreia! She made Kotor 2 PERFECT !
The best star wars character along with anakin/vader
And Rey
And Lom Pyke
You are right
now we're going to get Meetra Surik
@@goodmind4940 Really sad how underappreciated she is. She is meant to be Revan's equal.
Revan was a walking critique of established Star Wars philosophy. What if the neutral pacifism of the jedi actually makes things worse? What if, to save innocent lives, a Jedi has to go to war? How far will you go to do the right thing? Can the dark side be wielded for the greater good? Sure, other SW characters have explored these topics, but Revan's version was the best. Unlike Anakin, Revan was an intelligent and emotionally matured person who wasn't manipulated by some puppet master. And unlike Thrawn, he had to tackle his intellectual and moral challenges while dealing with the dark side of the Force. And all of this was packaged in an amazingly nuanced and polished character with incredibly imaginative delivery.
Hey Thor! if you ever get on the EFAP podcast, think you can quickly ask and rank their ratings on at least the current top 10 characters on the list? (Vader, KENOBI!, 5s, Yoda, Rex Leia, Snips, Luke, Han, and Qui-gon)
Learning my brother embraced the dark side from go would’ve shocked me too
Now that I think about it, Revans story is very similar to Jacen Solos. They both began as light siders, went through some awful crap with Jacen experiencing war, loss, and the embrace of pain at a young age, and Revan going through a lot during the Mandalorian wars. They both went adventuring searching for something force related and came back very different.While Revan came back as a Sith Lord, it took Jacen a little longer. But they both did awful things for the greater good of the galaxy, they saw something awful on their adventures and they turned so they could save the galaxy as they believed that only they could.
I do think this was maybe the greatest character ever thought of for a jedi in a video game his attempt to give him a cannon story was fine, but they fell flat by comparison in the other parts of the story they tried to add.
I think they got lost in the cool of revan and not the story of revan and this i feel will be worse when disney decides to touch revan, although i had a though on how that could be done without harming the mystique of revan.
We have many great characters in the story of revan and if instead of telling revans story directly you do a kind of mini mcu.
You tell the other characters tales as the main stories, remaster the original games and add a third wrap up game but leave revans story still wreathed in mystery for some.
You could obviously have revan appear in these other stories but not as the whole plot and i almost feel like video game would still be the best medium over film for this whole idea.
Thor the mighty returns to visit us mortals!
Revan is my favorite Jedi and Sith, with Obi-Wan and Vader being close second and third (let you figure which one is second and which one is third).
I played KotOR in 2005 or 2006 I think. Got myself a second-hand original Xbox and found that game. It did take me until the 3rd character to actually complete the game, the 2 previous ones got stuck at Calo Nord. Difficult game but well worth the effort to complete.
I do love what Bioware did with the character even in The Old Republic, the MMO game, but I'm not a fan of what they did with the Emperor, Viciate, a bit over the top with those ones. Love the design of Revan as well.
i don't know anything about his story please make a video about it i really want to know this story everyone love.
I always thought it was a huge plot hole in KOTOR that NO ONE in the galaxy knew what Revan looked like without his/her mask. Revan only donned the mask when the Mandalorian Wars started so it's impossible to believe that the whole time you're running around as the character not one person is like "OMG it's Revan! Look at this picture on Space Google, that's you!" I mean Revan was basically Winston Churchill AND Adolf Hitler so he/she would be a pretty well-recognised name and face across the galaxy.
Revan is a he.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Canonically, yes, but I was referring specifically to the KOTOR game in which you can choose Revan's gender. Completely beside the point by the way.
You have a pretty good point. I've never really thought about that. Now I must seek an in-universe solution for this (and maybe fail in finding one).
@@lucasmoura6276 I could be completely wrong (and would be totally open to that), I just remember having this discussion with a few friends back in the day and none of them had an answer for it haha. Like MAYBE the Jedi tried purging Revan's face from all their records when they did their mind wipe but this doesn't account for all the Jedi Revan would have known before going off to the Mandalorian Wars (most of whom followed Revan then became Sith). Most of them would remember Revan's face and given how many Sith you slaughter while playing the game, surely some of them knew Revan from the Jedi days. Calo Nord even seems to figure it out and tells Malak and he is neither Sith nor Jedi.
The original kotor game is the best Star Wars content ever created, it’s the entire original trilogy in a game where you experience what happens
Revan is ultimately the greatest foil of anikan he followed almost the same path but he did it for such different reasons
Revan was a man who excepted the burden of the galaxy onto himself, he was so selfless that he was willing to betray his own ideals and everything he stood for, for the sake of the galaxy.
Anakin was so consumed by his desires and attachments, his selfishness. They followed the same path but the reasons was so different.
Plus he is without a doubt one of the strongest characters in Star Wars ever, as a Sith Lord he is one of the strongest ever and the same followed as a Jedi.
One thing I find fascinating is that revan was ultimately the only person we ever see to use the light and dark side at the same time, which while it seems impossible I do not believe it is. Because the light is following the will of the force and the dark is warping it to your will, Revan did both you can argue two points, he warped the force till it’s goals aligned with his own or more realisticly, Revan followed the will of the force in a way thst the force cannot support.
Say what you will about SWTOR - it is most likely perfectly valid - but I think the VA they picked for Revan in the base game did an outstanding job at portraying the Character. Again, whatever else you want to hold against TOR for how they treated Revan, that's a party I'll likely show up to, but whoever voiced him deserves none of the ire. That's how I always imagined him sounding, sonorous, powerful, but with this almost sagely element to him. To me, it was the perfect casting choice. And I don't hate on his Canonical face either.
Yes, I consider it canonical, Disney can't tell me what to do.
Just give this man a movie or series
But without messing up, please
Does anybody want a video where HelloGreedo and Thor just have a conversation about Star Wars. I just think that it would be interesting because I think that they’re both level headed enough to not have an us vs then mentality
Funny. I just completed another Kotor 1 playthrough 30 mins ago. Was still an alright game to return to after 17 years. but Man I never got the Revan hype. I always thought that I am Revan. Or we are Revan since it's the player char who is Revan and btw. unless you are 12 years old then you will see the twist coming a mile away :D
I find Exar Kun much more interesting. Revan is basically just Exar Kun all over again with a klunky twist.
I would reckon that people being able to project their headcannon onto Revan helps a great deal to how high people rate him, in fact considering the character as a whole he seems to suffer a bit from gary stu aspects during and after the Revan novel.
In other words if I were to be blunt, I'd say that Revan is unreasonably overrated when you actually look at his character and story. At least people were generally more reasonable to have Boba Fett(who for all intents and purposes is just a henchmen) as their big favourite being based in just coolness.
@@Sone01TheFirst i agree. Statement; my absolute favorite chararacter from the Kotor games is HK 47, "Meatbags!!" 😃
@Lionard Kirsch Just to be clear I said, "he seems to suffer a bit from gary stu aspects" Not that he was one.
If I recall correctly the moment he regains his mask he goes off and immediately reflects the force lightning of a Sith lord back onto herself, whom of which was powerful enough to take down the another Sith lord and the person who has been leeching on the life force of many of those who die around her in one attack. Then there is the case that Revan was so powerful that he was able to use his powers to mentally delay Vitiates plans to invade the galaxy by 3 centuries while imprisoned and being tortured for info.
Extra: This ain't something I remember just what I saw on Wookiepedia
"His mastery allowed himself to open up to both sides of the Force simultaneously, summoning such power that he could then unleash the Force in its purest form - Revan crumbled a stone archway and blew open the large doors to the Sith Emperor's throne room with simple gestures"
Lets not also forget that whole shtick in SWTOR that required the Republic/Jedi and Empire/Sith to ally with each other to be the all powerful Revan.
Granted, he is only really a Gary Stu in terms of his abilities, but nevertheless he becomes stupidly overpowered ("Most powerful Jedi of his time") in 13 years (Start of Mando Wars and end of Kotor 2) for no inexplicable reason other then he is Revan and he studied the dark side and light(I'm fine with the whole tactical genius during the Mandalorian wars but the power strength is a bit bloody much).
About the game:
Like you, not only did I like the fact that it was a Star Wars game that felt like one of the better books (or even movies), it used the d20 mechanics of 3rd Edition Dungeons and Dragons (or more specifically, the d20 version of the Star Wars RPG that was also out at the time).
I did two playthroughs: One full on Light Side, and one full Dark Side (although I didn't kill all my companions, so maybe I should play it again ^_^). I loved that Bioware did that with this game, and with the Mass Effect series later (with Paragon and Renegade, and I sorely missed this system in ME: Andromeda).
If Lucasfilm does anything with Revan, I would want Drew Karpyshyn involved as a consultant at the very least. My Revan followed closely to Drew’s cannon/legends character.
The Revan book did not retcon anything. It's just that some misinterpreted KOTOR 2 and took a few things too literally.
Uhm, no, it literally retconned everything about the Exile and Revan's motivations.
@@RogersRoger No it didn't. Revan's motivations had never been established, just speculated. And what you need to realize is that having Revan willingly embrace the dark side would make him an idiot because the dark side cannot be used for good. Kreia only suggested it because she herself was a Sith. Not to mention that KOTOR 1 stated that Revan's fall began before the Mandalorian Wars with his over-ambitious thirst for knowledge. And nothing about Meetra was retconned as she was pretty much just a blank slate in KOTOR 2.
My favorite Revan is the Revan in the Bane book. Bane creator of the rule of two created it off Revan Sith teaching. I such a well respected way to use Revan without ruining Revan, Unless your Revan was never dark side in the first place. It also makes sense the holocron considing what the Jedi did to him. Unless it was always Revan goal to repair the Jedi in the future by a full reset/or see how the sith truly end. With a Character like Revan I wouldn't put it past him.
I love everything about this video. Great thoughts everyone.
I’ve been looking forward to this! ❤️
I made a comment already on revan but had to make a seperate comment on your idea about kylo attempting to feign turning and end the dark side was excellent and i feel this would have been a much better way to include luke into his story with the whole did he approve or not.
Maybe had him not approve think he had failed his prize student actually think he has fallen and lacks the will to try and stop him in the first instance even knowing he is partly responsible.
But then he gets the reminder via rey from his sister leia that he is needed and she bears him no ill will but to help her because he is her only hope of facing kylos power long enough to get though to him.
This would have more or less wrapped up lukes and the og heros part in the story completing the hand over to the new heros rey, finn and poe to lead the way for the future.
Raven is a great story line. If it done right. Going from the light to dark back to the light. Love to see that in a movie. Disney MUST DO IT RIGHT! (this is the way)
8:43 "Sucks that Revan is not mainstream"
KOTOR Remake: *Hold my beer*
Revan is cool and I really enjoyed playing through KOTOR, and I like the references to him in the Bane trilogy, but I do think people exaggerate how great he really is. He was a powerful Jedi but hardly perfect. He defies the Council and defeats the Mandalorians at great cost, and save the galaxy only to fall to the dark and become that threat in a heightened form. He failed to understand the Jed Council's point that in fighting the Mandalorians in the absolute fashion that he did, he would become the very problem he was proposing to stop. Further, people claim that he is the greatest as he mastered the light and the dark. Yet, it seems patently untrue that he was truly a master of the light since he fell to the dark and he became a scourge of all life, which is anathema to the light. A powerful Jedi, but like Anakin, hardly a master. Likewise, whether mastering the dark is a meritorious accomplishment is debatable. The Force is not balanced or mastered by placing the light in opposition to the darkness and ideally achieving mastery of both. This grey jedi notion is one of the unfortunate consequences of games like KOTOR and the way they describe the Force. The Force better described as the sympathetic energy of all living things existing in balance with each other. What has come to be called the lightside is in truth the Force as it is when living things are in balance and harmony with each other. The darkside destroys this balance and aggregates energy and power to the individual with the consequence that while the darksider becomes more powerful individually than they would have been able otherwise, they are in an unnatural and unbalanced state that destroys all beings around them and eventually corrupts and destroys the darksider as well. No balance there. Lastly, Revan didn't redeem himself as is often claimed, but rather he was forcibly given an opportunity by the Jedi to start over as a new padawan with no memories (due to Malak's betrayal). He is not like Vader who decided--while still being a powerful, conscious Sith--to return to the light to save Luke. Again, Revan is a great Star Wars video game character, but as an actual in-world character, he is not as great as many others.
Great assessment dude. And an very reasonable as well. Sure he is great, but he’s not the greatest guy. If we only go by the KOTOR games, he’s much more of a player insert. I feel like the MMO gives him depth in that regard. During the Shadow of Revan DLC I choked up a couple of times during the important conversations. Really enjoyed reading your comment bro.
@@vortexflash4944 Thanks dude. I appreciate it. I have not played SWTOR, and maybe that is to the detriment of my take on Revan. Still, he is a a good character and it is hard not to admire what they were able to accomplish with him.
This character seriously needs a movie adaptation. And before anyone asks, no, not made by Disney.
There are fan films.
The Zen Master and the Little Boy:
ruclips.net/video/e2cjVhUrmII/видео.html
Revan is so far my favorite character. I could care less about the force. I like that he went the full breadth of the spectrum: good to bad to good to bad and back again. Never truly either. Kreia would be a very close second.
Also, I have no parents:
I make the heavens and earth my parents.
I have no home:
I make awareness my home.
I have no life or death:
I make the tides of breathing my life and death.
I have no divined power:
I make honesty my divine power.
I have no means:
I make understanding my means.
I have no magic secrets:
I make character my magic secret.
I have no body:
I make endurance my body.
I have no eye:
I make the flash of lightning my eyes.
I have no ears:
I make sensibility my ears.
I have no limbs:
I make promptness my limbs.
I have no strategy:
I make "unshadowed by thought" my strategy.
I have no designs:
I make "seizing opportunity by the forelock" my design.
I have no miracles:
I make right-action my miracles.
I have no principles:
I make adaptability to all circumstances my principles.
I have no tactics:
I make emptiness and fullness my tactics.
I have not talents:
I make ready with my talent.
I have no friends:
I make my mind my friend.
I have no enemy:
I make carelessness my enemy.
I have no armor:
I make benevolence and righteousness my armor.
I have not castle:
I make immovable-mind my castle.
I have no sword:
I make absence of self my sword.
-Anonymous Samurai, 14th century
The most significant part of this poem is the fact it signed anonymously. This is selflessness. The fact that whom ever wrote this recognized the word were more important than the person. This is what the Jedi were modeled after. The Jedi lost their way when they started recording names and compared their skills and powers to each another.
I love Revan but kind of have my own head cannon as far as his arc goes. I always loved the idea that he never really considered himself a sith. His "fall" was a product of his becoming hardened and jaded through the the Mandalorian Wars. After defeating Mandalor the Ultimate and finding out about the Sith Emperor, he decides for himself that the Republic and Jedi order as is would stand no chance against the Sith Empire. In order to protect it, he had to conquer it. I just never really liked the idea that he was brainwashed.
Heck yeah. Let's get Kyle Katarn, Starkiller, and Dash Rendar in here, too.
The death of the 2nd place meme
Finally
now we're going to get Meetra Surik
Ironic
I love Darth Revan
Make that comprehensive Revan video already!
Revan is a man of focus, commitment, sheer will
(We need a KOTOR serie with Keanu Reeves as Revan)
If we ever got a full length Revan movie it should be an animated movie with Blur studios doing the animation since they are the ones who animated the old republic online trailers.
What is there to say? One of the best and most nuanced star wars characters. The only thing he did wrong was allowing himself and his allies to be slandered in TOR. We really deserved a KOTOR 3 tying 1 and 2 together, not an installment in an MMO or a book
I've been waiting for this one, thanks for including my comment! Love your vids👍
Edit: a comprehensive Revan video would be really cool, especially since I keep trying to learn more about his character
Thor, on the subject of Revan, there is something I remembered if you see this! Now, we all know of Revans history with the mandalorians. We all know Dave Filoni is one of the main heads for the Mandalorian. What some may not know and forget, is Dave nearly put Revan in the clone wars on Mortis. Obviously it might not happen, but what if Revans first appearance, is in the Mandalorian? One of the few sources of good star wars content at the moment?
What video editing software do you use? I’m really bad with technology but trying to start a RUclips channel and your simple picture to picture with voice overlay is pretty much what I’d likely do I’m just not sure how to even do that
One of the things I like about Revan is that the character I chose for him was the one that ended up as canon, right down to the scared face I chose for him. I named him Rutger Orion....after Rutger Hauer and Orion the Hunter. I wasn't so lucky with KOTOR 2, I even got the gender wrong. I named him Falco Vando....after Falco, know for "Rock me Amadeus," and the Canadian Royal 22nd Regiment, the Van Doos. What Star Wars fan who has played the game, does not love the character that is Revan?
My first experience with revan is in the Old Republic MMO and the book found him annoying in the game but loved him in the book
I love kotor and imma be honest I knew about the dark and light system and honestly thought about how I would react to the situations presented in the game (which became hard after the reveal and what the Jedi did to the character) and when Bastila tried to convince me to join her and bring down Malak and the Sith (in this run I did romance her) I decided to fight those that wronged me and I wiped out the Jedi and Malak so I wouldn’t be a puppet to anyone
I'm glad Revan isn't getting more attention. If he got more that means the mainstream media would make articles making dumb demands for his character. The idiots at Disney would butcher his character.
Thanks bro
Finally my favorite character from all the Star Wars universe.
You should do more EU characters Thor.
Amen their the best
@Lionard Kirsch Those people are idiots.
The only thing disney can do with Revan would be to make a prequel book or movie about his time with bane but it would be weird making him talk they can't make the games into a bad movie that makes there a "canon version" nor can they scrap it and make it completley diffrent
Didnt know much about the EU but I know this guy is pretty legendary
If you do a rundown of Revan in another video, could you try and tailor it for both fans of the games and those who have not played them. When they came out, I was but a learner, so I missed them and in recent years I (somehow, shamefully) haven't made the time to play them. I'd love a video from you about Revan, but avoiding any huge spoilers would be greatly appreciated
Personally I never really fell in love with the first KotoR, probably because I never really played it back when it was relatively new. I find the way it presents light and dark side too cartoonish and I think the first game just got the jedi wrong (maybe the sith as well, since I have no idea how the ideology we're presented with ever manages to get anything done at all). The endings are good but don't really fit the character imo (my favourite ending is the cut content one in which a dark side female Revan is saved by Carth, just because it's the most nuanced of the lot). Personally I think the writing of the second game is leagues better, but the main character isn't quite as interesting. So I actually (conceptually at least) really like the idea that was rumored that EA is looking at making a game that merges elements of the original games into one, although I'm not sure I trust EA to get the concept right.
Revan should have gotten his own movie or show during the mandalorian wars and showing his fall and redemption. But we all know what we got
Both Revan and Anakin were played by both sides... That's really interesting indeed.
But I never played the games. 😕
After months of voting for Revan, idk even who to vote for now.
Kreia, Cal Kestis, R2, Meetra Surik, Bastilla Shan
now we're going to get Meetra Surik
I feel like the "amazing twist" while it may have been good, is diminished in value. Kind of like I am your father. It's impactful, and important, but nobody is going to be surprised by it that plays KotOR.
I gave Revan a C because he's very template. He doesn't deserve an A, nor does he deserve an F. He is whatever you want. I feel like he's more of a symbol than a real character.
Except there is a canon (within Legends) way of playing the game and Revan does have a proper characterization.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Yeah if you count the books which aren't very good.
@@inarencommander4663 First of all, yes it is. Second of all, the books didn't establish Revan's character arc, supplementary materials by Drew Karpyshyn did.
You could still do the twist with a bit of manipulation of the story. Maybe Revan was so badly messed up by the bridge blowing up that the Jedi needed to give him a new face and identity and they pick a republic soldier who recently died as his new identity.
You can then basically just give new reasons for why he's force sensitive and why he has a bond with Bastilla. I have some stupid thoughts on the reasons but my comments already too long.
Plus I imagined that any KOTOR Screen adaption would make Revan's character the KOTOR 2 Revan described by Kreia
Thor, I think this is the first video in which you disapointed me. I originally followed your channel because you gave every issue you discuss a fair shake; you present both sides of the subject, as well as the facts, and let us decide for ourselves what we think. Despite Revan getting a lavish tongue bath by his fans, I saw a LOT of respectful, well-argued comments on the poll about why he is not an A-tier character or why some people do not like him. Not a single one of those comments made it into this video, nor were any of Revan's "issues" that you alluded to even briefly mentioned. I think this is the first video of yours where the bias is obvious, to modify a quote from Darth Sidious; "Your nostalgia blinds you, Master Thor."
I am interested in seeing that comprehensive video, but only if it is an objective look at the lore. May the Force be with you, and keep up the great work.
Same dude. I love revan, but I was hoping to see some different perspectives. Hopefully we get that lore video.
Same here. This is the only video in this channel that disappointed me. Ironically, it did so in a severe manner. Not giving space to any of the thoughtful negative comments about Revan is quite possibly the most blatant example of bias for a character that I've ever seen in a while, and I believe that this is the only video about a character in which Thor didn't show any of the negative opinions. The disappointment is made even greater by the fact that this channel has always been useful in clarifying and debunking misinterpretations about Star Wars, many of which were started and amplified in the Legends community.
KOTOR games, especially K2, suffer heavily from that.
Now I don't really know how to feel about this lore video about Revan. Many of the most ridiculous aspects of Revan come from K2, which is a game that is pretty much built upon misinterpretations and misunderstandings about the franchise.
I just made a similar comment noticing that too. Gotta go back and check the poll see what others said
Many villians start off with good intentions
While Meetra Surik is my #1 favorite Jedi, I can't seem to keep Revan out of my personal top 5 Jedi, he has to be up there with Obi-Wan, Ashoka, and Kyle Katarn, a character who fell to the darkside doing the right thing for the right reasons, and showed what happens when a idealistic Jedi becomes exposed to the true horrors of Total War. I'd love to see a show about him that has something of Joseph Conrads Heart of Darkness in it: You can not remain naive and innocent when this much horror is happening around you.
How would Jedi deal? Would they become inured to suffering? Above it, uncaring and unsymapthetic observes to whom human life just becomes another number? Would they burn with a desire to excact retribution on those who destroyed lives they swore to protect? Was suicicide a problem in the ranks of the Jedi in Revans army? Jedi pushed to the point where, unable to protect the worlds in their care, they chose to end it all than live with the shame?
And above it all stands the slowly darkening commander, Revan, at the other end of the river, in darkness, and even Meetra and Malak can't truly reach him anymore.
By comparison my love for Meetra is because she isn't the strategic mastermind, she's a tactical genious, and maybe quite good on the operational level, but she's a deconstruction of the Jedi Archetype. The heroic knight jumping in to save the day, swinging a lightsaber (Rianne take note); Meetra is always ready for action, always ready to fight for what she believes is right.... and she almost always get's it hilariously wrong.
Sure she saves the outpost on Dantooine, which without her command and fighting skills would have been over run by Mercs, but that only happens because she "rescues" a Jedi Master from peace talks.
Sure she managed to defeat the pro-sith faction on Onderon, but they only rise up when the presence of a Jedi in their midst forces their hand.
Sure she has to defeat Kreia, put an End to the Sith threat and restore the Jedi Order... but had she stayed in Exile the Jedi Masters would have survived in hiding, and neither Malachor, nor Kreia would ever have been a threat.
Oh awesome! I made it in. Thank you
Finally we get Revan. You did it the sob finally did it 😀😀😀
Oh hey, I'm finally in one of these. Yeah, I kinda love Revan. He and Mara Jade kinda tie as my favorites.
OMG OMFG he did it!he did it!
Thor I have an idea Kotor 3 happens but it has little to nothing to do with Revan all is is ins mentioned cause that al he was in kotor 2 cause then it doesn't screw with the events of SWTOR
You did the light side path on KOTOR and your brother did the dark path. Sounds like me and my brother lol. I've done the dark side before but I almost always do the light and my brother is vice versa
Sorry I missed the vote for this wonderful A class character
Love Raven they are a great character because Raven is a character that is different for all of us.
Raven? Isn't she from the Teen Titans?
If Revan got a movie or a Disney+ show GUARENTEE he would be higher on the list
or lower if they messed him up, that's why Luke is low
@@goodmind4940 shit u right 🤔
Why Keanu Reeves as Revan? What is everybody’s insane obsession with Keanu Reeves since John Wick? The Matrix was great, but a lot of people didn’t know who Keanu Reeves was before John Wick and now everyone’s acting like they’re lifelong fans who have followed his whole career. I don’t get it!