John Cale on David Bowie and Donald Trump
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Like his friend, David Bowie, he has been reinventing rock music for nearly half a century. Welshman John Cale was - with Lou Reed - a founding member of the New York band, the Velvet Underground.
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Just one little mistake - the concert that he speaks about, where he showed David Bowie how to play viola was at Carnegie Hall, not Town Hall. It was a benefit for WKCR. I was the drummer, it was a pretty good show. :)
dougie bowne wow awesome
Ye and he played viola on the track We will fall in the stooges record
@@MidnightStorm4990 - I was in Iggy's band after I left Cale's band! :)
@@MidnightStorm4990 yes that's right. I never likedt he track personally but it's sounds better to my mature ears now.
I remember seeing Bowie at Carnegie in a non-Bowie context. Couldn't remember much more till now. I was a recent Columbia (WKCR) grad. Thank for jogging my memory.
Cale has an amazing face now. And his speaking voice has always been great.
He should be a wizard on Game Of Thrones, or a creepy farmer in a Jim Jarmusch movie.
neonatalpenguin Give it a while, you too will have an "amazing face".
It's funny to read you saying Jjohn Cale should be in the casting of Game of Thrones... because when i saw Ciarán Hinds playing Mance Rayder, he really made me think about John Cale :D
@@mr.sensitive9963 Maybe for him, but for the vast majority of people certainly not-unfortunately.
Once you turn 40 you start getting the face that you deserve
I love Cale's singing voice. It's so ordinary, and I mean that as a compliment. He sort of talks the melody to you, utterly deadpan.
Deadpan and ordinary you say. And you mean it as a compliment. Dictionary please . .. also taxi!
I used to work at the Mudd Club. (I was the "nurse".) Met Bowie there once. He was very gracious. Warm and sweet. If he was there often it must've been on my days off because I only saw him there once. But then I worked at the upstairs bar so he may have been slumming downstairs. ;) :D :D Really filthy disgusting place. I absolutely detested it. Dark days.
I remember The Mudd Club, and The Nursery after that (and the UK Club after that....) Wonderful days.
I love his Welsh-American accent
I hear no american accent in John Cales's native sligthly welsh dialect english at all.
@@edvinlaine I would disagree. His accent has softened a bit as he has lived in the states and picked up a bit of American influence here and there. I would agree that it is still very Welsh in many ways but it is also clear to me ths he has lived away from there for a long time and picked up some American sounds along the way.
@@edvinlaine As a Welshman, I can definitely hear strong Americanisations in his dialect
73? Damn, I hope look that good at that age.
73!? He was 75 when this interview took place in 2016.
don't worry you won't you piece of sh-it.
Stay fit. Dress like an aging rock n roll star. You can do it.
Interesting to watch a 20-year-old Cale talk about participating in a an 18-hour premiere of Satie's "Vexations" on "I've Got a Secret" in 1963, which is here on RUclips. For those who cannot sit through 18 hours, there is a 9-hour version also here on RUclips.
Always liked John Cale, especially on Sister Ray. Saw him play in small clubs 3 or 4 times in Chicago in late 70s, maybe early 80s. He was great. People acted like he was New Wave or something, but he wasn't really.
He played in a small club in Lubbock back in the 79 promoting the Sabatoge album. Small club in a college town. Great show! Listening to his accent reminds of the character Jeff in "Coupling".
John, you're wonderful. As ever.
Sad and beautiful to hear about Cale and Bowie. Wow. The Viola. He ran away for obvious reasons. His live for Wales stays in his voice. He doesn’t need to go back to Garnet Town. He’s there always.
Cale, I find, has always been rather overlooked. Except by those who truly look. A very different artist than Lou Reed (also, often misunderstood), but a poet and avant garde musician in his own right.
Completely wrong about politics like every other musician in history lol
Great man, I'd love to meet him 💞
Yes boys... I'm related to an absolute legend. Not that anyone actually cares☺
+Robbie Cale i care. that's very very cool.
Very cool!! Lucky you (and him). :)
+Robbie Cale . I'm very interested that you're his son. Have you inherited his love of music and any of his abilities. This whole genetics thing has me fascinated.
You're his son?!
+Robbie Cale We care- how?
Love him.
Well, John ran away and later ended up in NYC for so long, but look at all he accomplished. Wales could wait to catch up to him. I doubt Wales still even appreciates him as they should, though I could be wrong.
I thought bowie's final videos were somewhat comforting...
Stay strong mr cale.
What is that song/video clip they show at approximately 4:46?
+Elle Enne It's the new version of Close Watch (released on M:FANS in January), video directed by Abby Portner. The woman is Amber Coffman from Dirty Projectors.
Thank you, Azra! :)
cool and reflective bit of narative
Why would a musician ever retire? Stupid question! I guess some do, if their heart isn't truly in it. I feel badly that he cut himself off from Wales. I love Wales, but I'm not sure I could live there. Lovely place to visit, though! I understand why he ended up in NYC.
+Sue DeSimone Ida definitely chosen Wales, to each their own though. Guess he liked NYC. It's a different world there. Closer to work.
Sorry but society absolutely isn't in worse state than it was in 80s these people love putting feeling over fact.
Excellent gig at Londons Roundhouse recently.
Damn! I didn't know he was playing The Roindhouse. Wish I'd gone to see him instead of Killing Joke.
Cale's recent shows in Australia were not too flash. He has made all of his classic songs into techno garbage.
what is the song in the beginning of the interview, please?
Found it, Sleeping in the midday sun
wrong, Buffalo Ballet
From the Fear album, 1974.
this is meant as a genuine question; wasn't John Cale abused as a child in wales by a priest at the church where Cale played church organ?
yes he was.
@@karimtabrizi376 I thought it was the church organist.
@@MisAnnThorpe Yes. Cale was learning to play the organ at the church; his teacher, the organist, molested him during his music lessons.
Can’t say I blame Cale for not wanting to go back to Wales.
love this guy
is that deantoni parks?
Yep
How dare trump use David's music.
73? amazing
Feel sorry for you, old bean... regarding loosing Wales, I am sure there is more to it... feel much the same, though.
SOULJAH ROCKER, KYMRY, JAHBLESS....
I always cringe when I see people saying John Cale was more important to the Velvets than the others. He wasn’t. They were the perfect mix of individuals. John didn’t write Heroin. And without Sterling and Mo they couldn’t have invented a completely revolutionary way of presenting their art. I love John Cale to this day but he would be humble enough to acknowledge meeting Lou, Sterling and Mo was his life changing event.
Nobody claims that Cale was more important to The Velvets than Reed was, but he was equally as important. Without him we would have had a second rate Bob Dylan in Lou Reed. Cale should have been co-credited for the music on TVU&N and WL/WH. But Reed's ego and selfishness would have none of that. Reed would make the world believe it was entirely down to him, which was not the case. Reed was never humble enough to acknowledge Johns, Moes and Sterls contribution towards the bands groundbreaking sound.
Trump is God.
Who?
What about Bernie Sanders??
What about him? He lost. The Dems desperately need youth in their leadership. Somebody like Joe Kennedy.
we miss him
Trump 2024 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
getting Horses outta Patti Smith trumps trump
Jesus John, lose that lip-hair. x
....well I taught "Dim Sod" how to play pantomime chair plus....explaining Time and it's Minder....
.... bien j'ai enseigné "Dim Sod" comment jouer la chaise pantomime plus .... expliquant Time et c'est Minder ....
"The campaigns are total rubbish".
John goes edgelord.
John I still love you, but it looks like you caught the Election Year strain of Dunning/Kruger like everyone else. Pretending every presidential campaign in murka isn't exactly the same is excruciatingly boring
It blows my mind how a man from Garnant (only 6 and a half miles from where I live) and speaks Welsh as a first language, turned up in New York in the 60s and became a member of one of the most influential bands ever. Cymru am byth!!
Dumb question- is Welch a different language?? Always thought they spoke English in Wales..??
@@bionicbigfoot2790 Welsh is a very different language to English. John Cale has a slight Welsh accent (more pronounced on The Gift with Velvet Underground). Whether he ever speaks Welsh I don't know, most Welsh, I think, know both languages, some areas speak it more than others.
drugs
@@bionicbigfoot2790 It's a completely different language, but the first language spoken in Wales has been English for a very long time, due to colonisation. Same thing happened in Ireland regarding the Irish language.
There have been several U.S. Presidents with Welsh ancestry, including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, James A. ... Beauregard, U.S. Vice President Hubert Humphrey, and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are also of Welsh heritage
Cale looks amazing, although I sense a deep melancholy. I've seen him in concert a number of times and he is always so powerful. Keep working and stay strong Mr. John Cale.
There is a kind of melancholia in his music, but he's so, so vital and alive. I don't know whether that's a part of the Welsh persona, and I don't mean that in a 'type' way or anything, but a lot of Welsh people (including family) have a kind of sadness mixed in with the zest for life.
Is it "farthest" or "furthest" ??? Not too sure about that one !! ~~ Lol !!!
I've been listening to Mr. Cale for decades. All the way from the Velvet Underground, through his solo works and his collaborations with other musicians as well. He's simply one of the most talented, innovative and intelligent musicians I have ever heard.
Really noticeable after Lou died.. never seemed to leave his face after that.. a melancholy and vulnerability..
@@bobdobbs7000 agreed, yet still so underrated, it beggars belief. I was lucky to have tripped over him in the early 80's, and since then he's been my musical God. Long may he continue.
Cale, a brilliant man with artistic integrity and fearless creativity. In the long run way more important of an asset to the Velvet Underground than the others. And he has had a stellar under appreciated solo career.
IDK if you made this comment to troll people but Cale was “way more important” to the VU than ANY of the others? I’d agree with you about all but Lou Reed. I love Cale but he wasn’t even ON “The Velvet Underground” (arguably the best LP they released) or “Loaded”. Cale had a HUGE influence on the sound and dynamics of the “The VU and Nico” and “White Light, White Heat”, their sound, after Cale left, is NOTHING like it was before, and the most “groundbreaking” stuff they released was when Cale was in the band, but Sweet Jane and Rock and Roll are Cale-free, and those are canon.
I’d be more likely to agree if you’d said Cale was the most “interesting” or “mysterious”, but more “important” to the VU than Lou Reed? Nah...
@Gregg Helmbold well what gets up people's nose, who appreciate Cale's work, is the unproportional attention between Cale and Reed. Cale was as vital as Reed, and should have been co-credited for the music, but selfish Reed would have none of that. He would make almost everybody believe it was entirely all down to him. People with lesser insight believe The Velvets was Lou Reed and some supporting fellow musicians - or Nico, who is even better know for being part of The Velvets than Johnny Viola. If we talk about the Beatles it's Lennon/McCartney, The Stones it's Jagger/Richard's, so with The Velvets it should be Reed/Cale. Considering Cale went on to invent Goth with Nico and then produce the debuts of The Stooges, Patti Smith and The Modern Lovers, I can't see anybody as important and influential in the shaping of Punk and Alternative Music than the Welsh Wizard. He is such an underrated musical genius, it beggars belief.
PS: The Velvet Underground their best lp? No way, insignificant compared to the former two - a good Rock lp, but nothing more. That is just my view, tastes do differ.
@@ForARide You nailed it, pal. 100% agree! Truth be told, Reed put out years of mediocre dribble as he rode on his VU reputation. Who remembers his string of flop albums and lousy singles like "City Lights"?? No one but the most fanatical Reed fans.
John Cale is a treasure and a gift.
What an amazing man. John Cale was the most interesting aspect of the Velvet Underground and it's lovely to see that he's still such a productive and well attractive man, I always had a thing about him and he's still got 'it'! I think what he said about Bowie looking so ill in the latter videos is true we should have been more aware that he wasn't well.
Foxiepaws ACAnderson What I love is that John Cale, a fellow Welshman who was born 6 miles from where I live and whose first language is Welsh, went to America and helped form the Velvet Underground. I maybe a sad act for saying this, but this really does blow my mind.
Well without Reed songs his fine arrangements couldnt exist. John once said that he took to many years to realize that Moes drumming was 1 of the most original aspects of the VU
@@theWARMJET yet without Cale's fine arrangements, we'd have a second rate Bob Dylan, namely Lou Reed.
@@ForARide oh that's a terrible comparison, Lou Reed was more about delivering imagery direct rather than painting a complex and well written lyrical landscape.
If anything he had more in common with Leonard Cohen, but either way, to call Reed anyone's second rate shows a lack of understanding why he is considered by many to be one of the godfathers to punk. Entirely different approaches to music
Cale's discography is one of an artist's artist IMO. Wish this interview was longer
Trumps a legend
The more celebrities bash Trump the more I want to vote for him.
Amen! I totally agree with you. Cale thought it would be frightening living under Trump. Totally delusional and totally removed from reality.
Cale is one of the most amazing people out there
President Trump is a great man!
The best is yet to come! ❤️💜❤️🕊️🙏🌏
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Thank you john for the years of hard work and stunning music. I respect you deeply.
Me 2
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John Cale always shoots from the hip. An argument can be made that he is actually more important than Lou.
David Bowie's last album reminded me of Lou Reed's Magic and Loss album.
I contemplated buying that album today but if it is like Magic and Loss I don't want it.
Magic and loss is a masterpiece, the whole thing
Both are about a death Lou's about a friend ,Bowie's himself.
Lou's was about Doc Pomus, the songwriter.
'Magic and Loss", i have to come to believe , is one of Lou's true masterpeices! Better than New York. It's his late period triumph, and I thought it was underrated but pleased to see all of the love from others!
trump in charge is "frightening"? i though cale had a mind instead of some woke hysterical.
Klar, dass er irgendwie weitermachen muss, weil er durch die Musik zwaf berühmt aber nicht grade wohlhabend geworden ist. Möge es ihm gut ergehen.
John being a awesome guy once again. What a amazing guy. Love his stuff.
The amount of respect that I have for this icon knows no bounds.
He is such a genius. Soundtrack of my life.
I remember when John dressed in white. He would fly commercial, with a lot of cocaine and a gun.
I saw John Cale at CBGB's in 1977, a mere 4 years after the Velvet Underground first broke up.We sat a couple of rows back from the front, within whispering distance of Mr. Cale. I must be honest, I had no idea who he was, it was my girlfriend who asked me to go with her. His was an intimidating presence, but I look at his eyes now, and the way he speaks, and I see a very different soul.
You're so lucky to have seen him play at around that time. I can believe that he was intimidating! But he was heavily into substance abuse in the 70s.
Buffalo Ballet . God I love that song. So glad John is still kicking ass and sounding great. Keep on keeping on Maestro!
juan baudelaire Yeah, Buffalo Ballet is a beautiful song, and so are Barracuda, Ship Of Fools, Fear Is A Man's Best Friend, etc., but they weren't on Music For A New Society the last time I looked; it's pants. No wonder they featured something from somewhere else.
Music For A New Society isn't pants, Mr.S, neither is it vests, shirts nor hats. Sure, it's maybe just a wee bit agonizing, but I like it!
Speaking of David Bowie and Lou Reed I wonder where they are?
They're jammin'!
they always say they will leave the country but they never do
What a redundant and useless comment...dickhead...
Redundant? Useless? It's true! You'd probably censor it as hate speech, though, wouldn't you?
@@PaulA-ys3yr Censor it? You flatter me, how could I do that? I'd just call it dickhead speech...a bit like your own useless & redundant comment...
Well your fucking lot invaded America in the first place. You should be the first ones to leave!
@@ForARide no, the ones currently "invading" it should of course be the first ones to leave -- not the ancestors of the people that founded the country.
Doomed to have Warhol thrown in his face every time he makes a public appearance till forever
Your comment can't be topped for pure stupidity!
ForARide whatever BOOMER!
@@Iz0pen whatever Hill Billy, enjoy your lockdown!
Love you John. Once I thought you was crazy,or genius even. Great to see you still winning. Maybe even better than before. 😅
Guy’s Brilliant! If not outright Genius!
Wish he was my dad ;)
Wish that I were he (or a small part of)
@lucy bond
Probably because I never met my own dad or had any kind of replacement father figure. It's comically sad but whenever I feel like I could use a bit of paternal wisdom, I watch either Jacques Brel or John Cale interviews ;)
I am here because I saw Cale on the September 16th, 1963 episode of the American TV show " I've got a secret".
I really never know how to describe John Cale ...JUST PURE GENIUS
What’s the promo video towards the end ?
legend
Eich tir chi yw tir eich ymladd ac nid ydych chi erioed wedi gadael iddi ...
I remember seeing him play at Scorgie's, a small dive in Rochester NY on Election night in 1984(?) He kept a TV set next to him turned on with just static on the screen. At one point, he turns and says, "See this? Those are the votes." It was a great show.
John Cale is a living hero of music, greetings and kisses fron south Britanny, France
Cale's manner and voice remind me of the British monks that educated me for six (6) years. I know that's a superficial "Yank" impression, but so be it.
Spare us your superfluous trash, low life.
@@MrSKINFLICK
Really? You actually made that comment? Amazing.
@@blackmore4 Cale was molested by two different men during his youth, an Anglican priest who molested him in a church and a music teacher. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cale
The welsh have magical powers and are mysterious.
Fatty Starbuckle Nah, they just say "Welsh wizard" cuz it's alliterative. Avon, where Merlin lived, is near Wales, but not in it!
Although, come to think of it, they are Celtic in that neck of the woods, so there's the Celtic mysticism thing to consider. I give your statement a cautious 30% probability factor.
Mr.Sensitive Dude, don't ruin my fantasy ☹
Fatty Starbuckle I blow my nose with your fantasies!
John is quite simply fucking boss!! Nice one Mr Cale. Wales & the people will always love you John. Don't worry about that. Ever.
I wonder what his opinion on Trump is today ?
#Trump2024
He sucks
How original and refreshing....ugh
John Cale is a legend. A peculiar, non person calling themself "Wombles" apparently feels that this makes me a "pretentious, sexist twat" I'm not sure why. Wombles' used to live in holes in Wimbledon Common, so I'm told. It appears that they are now poking their 'noses' out of these holes to throw transference about! Sorry, Mr or Ms Womble but I still love John Cale. I remain, in blissful ignorance of their pathology....Rebecca Rail xxx kisses.....
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IfTrump were to talk aboutthe issues, do you think you could recognize it?
I have enjoyed Cale for fifty years and have never found a need to pay any attention to his political views. Of course, what do you expect from a channel 4 flunkie? More people are leaving the United Kingdumb than here. None will be missed in either country. Nothing has changed in 8 years and John survived the Trump experience and it will be his choice whether to experience it again.
Does anyone know where I can find that triphop version of "Buffalo Ballet" that Cale is playing in the opening? Sounds REALLY good.
See him on stage from 1981 to 2007
He seems a lot more easier to talk to than Lou Reed
Chasing ladies? I thought that was the farthest from their mind
I´m waiting for the man in Argentina soon.
remembered with love and the guys had a blast!
I like Gene Pitney
I did not know he was Welsh. So was Brian Jones and Tom Jones is Welsh too. They have definitely made a contribution to music.
Cake is very intelligent and clear thinking.
The politics always surprise me how artists react to political leaders. Why does it matter who the President is to you so much?
Art transcends time! Are you looking for inspiration from a political leader? Look elsewhere then. Trump has actually been good for Art. He inspires a lot of Artists to write songs about him and against him.
very intelligent man
Great man.
Ein toller Mann. "Sabotage" ein frühes Werk ist stark.."I clean my rifle every day, so my rifle is my friend".
Heute gilt wohl eher "Halleluja". Auch gut. Daher kommt wohl seine Melancholie. Ich höre ihn seit zig Jahrzehnten gerne und wünsche ihm beste Gesundheit aus no more good old Germany Karlsruhe der Residenz des Rechts, das derzeit mit Füßen getreten wird.
Bowie is in heaven
Yeah... your mum must've told you that.
Legend
Thanks John!
One giant loose thread in charge....well put.
Steve Fowler If he means "loose cannon", well that's a point in Trump's favour. Would Cale rather have a career politician in the WH, as usual?
Mr.Sensitive well how about now? Great gdp low unemployment high employment low taxes (we are allowed to keep more of OUR money) I for one am grateful for a loose thread non politician.
I wish Rock stars and actors would just stay clear of their political views. And oh yeah have ANY stars left the USA? No.
Yes! Newsflash! The ever conscientious and "true blue" Madonna has "fled" to Portugal. Yay!
MAGA!