I bought one with three solar panels because of your reviews about three months ago, but had to wait for delivery because of covid and their new system being introduced. It arrived 2 weeks ago and now I am in a 2 day power out situation with a 7 day old daughter, 3 year old son, dog and wife. We have kept everything charged, deep freezer frozen, and refrigerator cold without any frustrations or difficulties. Just wanted to say thanks for the reviews - I’ve watched this video a few times and came across it again tonight while sitting in the dark - thought I’d share my inergy apex experience.
You are right in your assessment. The issue is not about capacity, the issue is about meeting expectations. As advertised, 1500 Watt/3000 Watt Surge is different than if they had stated 550 Watt/1500 Watt Surge/3000 Watt Super Surge. I'm one of their original Kickstarter customer and I appreciate the product for what it can do. I just wish the specs was much more forthcoming. If it was, we would not be having this discussion.
I bought the Apex based WP’s initial video a year ago on the first Kodiac. I felt hung out to dry after the harsh rant video. However, I am very pleased with my Apex. I got it for power outages and general prepping, not daily use for cooking, off grid living, or running high wattage hair driers. My 72 yo wife can hook it up and it is always ready to go. Unlike the Goal Zero which WP bashed initially but now praises, the Apex is truly portable and weighs half as much. Why would anyone want to hook up an AGM? The cost/performance benefits of a daisy chained lithium battery is 400% better than AGM. I really appreciated your reaching out to Inergy and refuting the acrid rants of the now infamous video. You did a good job. Keep up the good work.
Thank you. I cancelled my Apex order. because I do want a permanent installation for my crappy old motor home I live in. I had ordered 2 of them because I have 1000 watts of solar panels. I want to be able to run an induction cook top or a convection oven or a microwave. I did that after seeing the video you mentioned. I am also adding a 500 watt wind turbin to my system because the sun doesn't always shine. Instead I went with a 3000 watt pure sine wave inverter and 3 100 amp hour Battle born LiFePo4 batteries. With the charger and battery monitoring system it came to about 600 bucks more than the 2 Apexes but should actually do what I want. I am now broke, but since I don't have rent or electric to pay for I will be able to add a fourth battery in a month or so. This video has confirmed that I made the right choice for what I am trying to do, so thank you again. I am still considering an Apex for things like running the pump for my sluice box when I can't get the motor home close enough to the water. Right now I'm using a 35 amp hour battery for that. It doesn't always last as long as I would like. Thank you some more for your're honest and informative videos. I watch all of them.
I'd like to point out that Will's channel is about off the grid living. He's coming from the perspective of using it as a permanent all in one solar power solution. If this is the use case for Apex, his points are valid. I think Inergy should clarify more in its marketing that it should NOT be viewed as a permanent solution. I think the controversy is that a lot of people are looking at this product as a permanent solution and it's clearly not what it was intended for.
Anytime you are using solar panels permanent or temporarily, they are outside in the elements, duh! Will's concerns are legit and Canadian Prepper is a suck up who doesn't know anything about the electronics involved and just read what Inergy told him to.
You are right. The Apex can't compete with Will's long term solar systems. This is an emergency/short term solution, not your long term whole house solution. For most people, this will get you through a few weeks of SHTF just fine.
That wouldn't have been an accurate representation of it's capabilities while also showing what they recommend due to the limitations of lithium batteries. Goal zero lithium has the same battery limitations as well.
Simple solution for the Apex: Use a thermostat on the cooling fan. Then, it only comes on when the inverter/charger/batteries are warm and needs cooling. They could then go back to the more simple switch that can also be weather proof and heavier duty than that cheesy little three position switch - which I would have used a three position rocker switch, rather than the twist switch. But, they never asked me.
I've had the Apex for a couple of weeks now. Bought it to run refrigerator and coffee pot during/after a hurricane, and to run kitchen appliances while camping. Cannot get through a 6 minute pot of coffee. Doesn't reliably run the fridge. Sending it back. I feel the highlighting of the 1500 watt inverter in their advertising is misleading.
Doing some research on various companies and their respective power sources, your video was by far one of the best, well spoken, thought out of all. I was really leaning towards the Inergy Apex and this video was a great help in deciding. Oh, and I saw that other video before yours and it didn’t sit well with me so I moved on,. That’s when I found you.
Was going to buy the Apex but after seeing the video of the individual that you mentioned I had some reservations. Now after watching your video I’m encouraged. Love your videos by the way. You know it would be awesome if you mad a video series on the practical applications for this generator. Also the do’s and don’ts would be nice. Keep making videos, learning a lot.
Being one of the first pre-orders back in January, I was very excited to recieve it, even though I was going to have to wait several months to get it. I actually picked it up from the warehouse on my way to Overland Expo West. I know that I was very shocked when I first saw the video you mentioned and was tempted to return the unit based on that, but decided not to take a knee jerk reaction. I'm glad that I did. It took the unit along with the new Lynx solar panel that finally came after a long wait time to the Northwest Overland Rally in Plain, WA. The pair performed very well together and powered my son's laptop, my Dometic cf40 fridge and other electronic devices. I really like it's lighter weight and portability.
A.k.a., stop trying to break it, too see if it really works! In the last three weeks, we had 3 power outages, but as long as my WiFi, modem as powered, everyone was happy! We had to use our tablets, to steam movies and Tv shows, but you can not complain, when the power is out everywhere else! I am so glad that the phone lines, are on a completely different power source then our AC lines!
Today it's June 2 2020, good to know Will left comment here and was deleted. Seems Apex is no longer on Inergy's website anyway, look forward to their Flex's line coming up this year.
I would prefer to have 2 Inergy units than 1 bigger unit. I like having a back up. I own a Kodiak and I ordered Inergy’s new unit the FLEX with an extra battery that I can swap between the two units if needed. All Inergy units are Lithium batteries, some of the others use sealed lead acid. I’m not a pro electrician that’s why I like the plug N Play units.
I watch Will’s channel and he is great at what he does. Maybe it’s a conflict because Will is a affiliate of a competing brand and limiting critiques to each channel prevents a critique war? I bought my Kodiak because of Will endorsing it. Canadian Prepper has left your comment up and he replied with Inergy’s statements so maybe that is the fair thing to do. I ordered Inergy’s new FLEX unit and an extra lithium battery.
Confused, here. Will Prowse stated a laundry list of shortcomings of the product. He contacted Inergy to let them know. And they sponsor him. He's taking a risk but showing objectivity. You read direct verbiage from Inergy in response to Will's criticism of them. That's a bad look. Seems like they sent you out to do the dirty work for them. CP, you do an outstanding job of methodically presenting your reviews. Your silence would indicate your confidence in the Inergy review. I watched both yours and WP's. And I gave each equal weight. Why did WP's criticism of this one product rile you so much?
The person that gave that bad review on the Apex is also sponsored by Apex. He has since talked to Inergy and put out as new video. It is obvious Inergy sat him down and explained why the Apex is designed the way it is. Now he goes into more explanation covering his ass and doing his best to mend bridges. In his test he gets a continuous draw of 760 - 790 watts. better than the 550 Ingery states. Your video is spot on. My Apex is supposed to be here at then end of July. Thumbs up for Apex
Inergy: Shit! Everyone is watching the Will Prowse video. Hurry call Canadian Prepper he'll shill for us 😂. Listen Will brings up some really good points. And his video like all of his videos have him testing the units thoroughly. At no point did he ever say inergy as a company didn't produce good products. He just said the Apex had some major flaws. I don't understand your logic? Just because he supported a company for the last year-and-a-half he should never give a negative review on new products? If anything that makes me respect him more. this video speaks more to your character as I'm sure inergy reached out personally to have you do a collateral damage video. For someone who pushes preparedness so much having the best product available especially in prepper situations seems key. Whether that be. Inergy, goal solar or building your own unit.
I love my Kodiak. I have run my 1/2hp sump pump and a 4 gallon air compressor with it. It does have some extreme capability. A goal zero yeti 1000 lithium runs a 1500 watt load for 40+ minutes. Is it hard on it? Yes. Can a Kodiak/Apex do that? No. The battery/inverter is not designed to deliver 1500 watts continuously (more than 2 or 3 minutes). That is a huge load though. So if you truly need 1500 watts for extended periods of time, dont buy an apex. However, for just about everyone, an Apex will meet your needs. It has met mine.
Why did you delete Will Prowse's response here? Why was he banned from responding? Why are you deleting negative reviews of this product on your channel?
Perhaps he's bought and paid for by Inergy and lacks the integrity to be honest. Deleted comments speak volumes, afraid of the truth? Lame, no respect for CP.
Indeed! He is promoting and getting paid to save the reputation from a rubbish product. No respect for this channel. You are welcome to delete my comment as well.
Oh! I saw DIY Solar Guy's review..he was laughing when the switch fell off... He seems very smart about solar, so I made notes not to purchase it, but I'm glad you reviewed this as I've been watching you for quite a while (prepper here) and I trust your judgement and review. Thanks a bunch!
Dude you drank the Koolade, a dead switch is primary , not cosmetic. Switch should be of the highest quality with ZERO malfunctions. Look at good USA built ham radio equipment, you don't have these issues switches. It's like saying your parachute pull did not work when you tried to open it, but the overall chute was of built high quality. That is not what they would be saying at your funeral. 2nd point a1500/3000 watt inverter should handle the minimum load period and your WRONG about the it is not meant to handle those loads. That is why it has that rating. That is why they have UL ratings on equipment. Please dont delete all the truthful comments and get back to the Truth! thanks
I used Chafon for significantly less money and worked outstanding for my needs during my months after Hurricane Maria wrath. I have no doubts that these products work. Thanks for the information. I’m considering in buying one.
My son is an Electrical Engineering Technician. His company builds coast guard ships for countries around the world. I am preparing a 6'x12" cargo trailer as a bug out vehicle. He said you are better to use multiple AGM batteries for power storage and buy solar panels adding the necessary monitoring components. Many how to videos online. Keep your power needs to minimal. All this at much lower price. Easy to replace items if necessary.
The adversarial relationship between you and Will upsets me. I listen to you guys religiously and follow both of you and do not understand the controversy. Of course I am not knowledgeable to the minutia involved in your disagreement. I think you guys provide great info to the masses [me]. You need to talk. You both are confident, knowledgeable individuals and I do not want to figure out who is correct. Both products are solid. No product will serve each of us in every way. Will only stated that the Inergy product excelled in certain applications and did not possibly measure up in others. He constantly pushes for improvements. That is my impression of him and that is his way. You , on the other hand have wonderful knowledge regarding the whole picture of prepping, self sufficiency and such. For all of us, [the un-informed], try to work this out. Censorship is not the answer as long as the opposing views remains civil.
I love your reply, Dan...I feel the same way. I enjoy both Canadian Prepper and DIY Solar. The intro from Inergy on this video kind of explains what Wil was trying to say right? It's not for continuos use but for surges like starting up certain things?
Thank you for your simplified technical information :-) Knowing how to ask the questions is half the battle in understanding a product's viability. I have been looking at these for awhile, felt the Kodiak the best option out there for me, now sure the Apex absolutely is. I am not looking for a full gas generator and don't have a desire to travel with a gas can. As a single lady traveler, I am in need of a unit that makes using the extra agm backup battery for support when boon docking more feasible (in addition to being solar capable). Also, the truly portable power source option without complicated electronic hookups is a great option for the non-technical (plug and play as it were)...
Wait, What!! This is not a 1500w unit then. If it can't do it continuously, then its not accurately rated. My grip is with the rating, as it should be. I understand heat is an issue, but don't tell us its 1500W, and then turn around say, "oh, well that's for a short bursts". I thought the "up to" 3000w was for short bursts. With all this back pedaling, lets just say its half the rating of 1500, and call it what it is, 750W solar generator. Additionally, I don't think deleting Wills comment/post was ethical or warranted. This makes you and Inergy look bad. Maybe he got a bad unit ( hey, it happens ).
OUTSTANDING VID. I have been looking at getting one of these units. Cost and not knowing much about solar generators have held me back. At bit more research for me. Thanks.
Good job Nate. I purchased the Apex several days ago and Im glad I did. I will have to pay off my paypal account in 6 mos and then Ill spring for the solar panels.
Really great summary of the whole picture here, thank you sir. I know enough on lithium technology to know that their responses make total sense. Best *portable* solar genny on the market; would definitively buy one if possible $... Again thank you CP.
I use for occasional power outtages and it will run my 1100w microwave or 900w coffee maker or our full sized refrigerator freezer ...I have charged from solar and the standard oem 100w wall charger and I added a 600w dc power supply when I want to charge more rapidly...Leaving the unit activated when changing at high wattage, speeds up the charge as the active cooling with fans helps keep the battery and electronics receptive to more watts... When it provides ~1000 watts the unit will shut down when charge depleted to 1/3 full...in practice the unit claims up to accept up to 600w input and I have found that the input rapidly drops to ~250w as components warm up even with the fan running.
Good job explaining this. If this was a political debate about this generator you just slap the crap out of that other fella. I did watch the other one and was quite surprised after all of the positive reviews this particular model had gotten. No one and I mean no one has gone into depth of the way you have. Thank you for taking the time to give us fact not opinion.
And thank you for making this video. I didn’t doubt the product too much, but his video did make me have a bit of buyer’s remorse until I realized he had nothing better to recommend!
My only gripe with the Kodiak; I purchased when it first came out and Inergy was not clear in any digital or written format how limited the unit is to use add-on batteries because the acceptable difference of power quality is .1 volt between any of the connected batteries. That was one of the features many of the RUclips Influencers kept touting - "Connect as many batteries as you want".
I've built 5 units similar to this APEX with AGM batteries ($475 50Ahr 50lbs) . I'm getting older and my solar generates are getting heavy to carry to my deer blind thru the woods. I'm looking to build using a Lithium battery to cut the weight. Made a price list to make the solar generator comes in at $1150. At $1150 it has twice the storage (50Ahr) capacity to the APEX and weighs in at 15lbs more. Bottom line the APEX is good on price for someone whom can't build it themselves (very compact). These Lithium batteries are expensive and price should come down in the future.
@John Smith , except remember you will have the solar panels and they put out 100 watts each. Granted without a battery for storage of power this power will only be available of course during daylight hours. It might be worth Stockpiling batteries if perhaps you have a health condition that requires devices that need electricity.
@John Smith, like you, I've thought of a more apocalyptic disaster that could take decades (if ever) to recover from. In that case getting spare parts to repair anything will be very difficult if possible at all. Having duplicates of important items may not be economically practical for many folks. Survival may depend more on learning to be able to live off grid before the major a SHTF. Actually decussing which friends you want to team up with for support. That said, living in Commifornia our disaster is more likely to be a natural one like the "Big One"! The rest of the country will wave goodbye and good riddance to Cali as it slips into the Pacific Ocean. After the San Andreas makes Arizona residences beach front property what might be left of pieces of Cali will be just about useless. Talk about refugees, Nevada and Arizona will have their hands full of crazy entitled leftist Californians who thinks the government and everyone else should take care of them. Solar power (see how I brought it back) will be priceless in this situation since even a year or two or three, any of these solar generators and their batteries should still be working. I love induction plate cooking! Hope this post won't cause nightmares tonight!
@@thomasgriffin8269 , LOL, if you're far enough to survive the blast I think you're referring to the EMP effecting electronics. I got an EMP bag to store my generator. So if the radiation doesn't kill us we at least can listen to music from our iPod while we slowly turn into Zombies. What a future!!!
I wasn't aware of Will until after watching this video. I spent the last couple of days going over the bulk of his videos and have come to the conclusion that you have drank from the corporate kool-aid container. Simply put, the kid (Will) is right. This product is substandard. Give back the free Apek and endorsement funds you have received from Inergy and get back on the side of your membership. If your not impartial, then you are of no use to me. Well on the bright side, thanks for putting me in contact with an honest reviewer (Will) for all things solar.
Soooooo basically it's an over priced battery pack. I remember the video where you bashed generators and touted this as a superior product and I called bullshit back then. Love my Yamaha 3000 inverter/generator and I'm happy I did not invested my dollars in the Kodiac. In 5 years the Yamaha will also have solid resale value.....And yes civilization will still exist in 5 years lol. Go watch "do it yourself solar power wit will" he does the review you should have and is honest and didn't sell out
David Wright I don't like finite fuel sources, so I am planning on making my own solar generator and wood fired generator. It's good to look into renewable sources of energy but I recommend you building your own setup.
I just built my own solar generator 1000Whr for 200 bucks its lead acid so its bigger and abit heavier but much cheaper. And also have my own petrol generator both supporting each other as redundancy and both the petrol generator and solar battery generator and solar panel cost less than this Apex generator.
All info that was presented on the product prior to release by everything including your channel never mentioned the limitation to not use 1500 continuous watts. Whether you should or shouldn’t isn’t really the point. I’d rather get my full blown capacity if I need it when I need it. In a true SHTF scenario you may have a real need for a 1500 watts continuous for a period of time. In the same way that Tesla gives you the option for ludacris mode even though it’s not recommended it should have still been an option here if it’s what they are actually advertising as usable. I really like your channel but I can’t believe your defending a company stating one thing up front but not really providing it to you. If that 100k lumen flashlight you were using did it for a few minutes and then shut down and only worked at 1/3 lumens most of the time would you be ok with it?
I think youre right, more disclosure is required with that. Personally I cant think of anything that I would need 1500 watts continous after SHTF that I wouldnt need for much longer than 40 minutes which would be outside the capability of this device seeing as it cant charge that fast. The flashlight does only work for short stints but flashlight companies address this by stating lumens like 1-3 minute/ 60 minutes. So you get 60 minutes total in 1-3 minute bursts. I just presumed I wouldnt rely on this to do any long term heavy lifting when its only a 1.1 kwh battery
@@CanadianPrepper Do you recommend a fridge (model/info) that will work with the Kodiak or APEX? My fridge uses 11 AMPS (peak) and its too much for the Kodiak after a couple of minutes.
I thought you should know that there is another video out there by an RVr who had, in a sense, the same problems with her Apex solar generator. The styrofoam casing rubbed against the power indicator switch but instead of breaking the switch turn the switch on! Now depending on how long it for the package to be delivered let's just say it was over a 4 week period. The battery was drained to zero and the ventilation fans would not turn off! By the way, she made a RUclips video on this along with an update from the president of that company. President offered to fix it and send it back but, crying out loud, the battery was drained to zero! The battery is no good!! You should really find this video and watch them both. I have great concern about this company.
I don't want to sound negative...; you talk about a "Solar Generator"; but, you only mention solar panels once as an option. Without solar panels, it is only a fancy battery backup. With solar panels, it becomes a solar generator. So, what are the specifications with solar panels attached...panel output, charging time, unit performance with panels attached, etc.
You must be new here LOL, I've discussed the semantics of "solar generator" many times in past. I've addressed all that in my review of the Apex check out the link in the description
It is no different than a gas generator. Both store potential energy, it is just that they store it differently. A gas generator utilizes chemical energy and converts it to mechanical energy and then into electrical energy. The energy Kodiak and Apex use chemical energy (in the batteries) and converts it to electrical energy. Both are the same, they just store energy differently.
TY for this review! I've had my eye on these for quite sometime and have been learning about generators of all kinds! I like the light weight and solar power system and thru this video learned about having lead acid batteries as an option.
There was talk that you were on suicide watch...glad to see you're OK. Good come back video. Everything in life is a comprise. Weight vs. Power Output is a valid argument. This is why my solar system is only part of my emergency power plan. I have dual propane/gas generators for my higher amperage power needs.
Whether or not he was or wasn't on a Suicide Watch is irrelevant...that's not your business to tell the Public for an instant of cleverness to boost your confidence or self esteem or whatever. That's personal. And not anyone's business unless CP goes out of his way to let us know or makes a video about it. Ffs, I knew this kind of thing by the time I was nine. Idiot.
I can see a use for it around this preppers homestead. But, at that price, even with the discount, it is still a tad bit away from my liking. I want a freeze dryer more. Definitely on my "wish list". Battery technology will get better and freeze drying may too. Both should come down in price as well. Nice video.
Excellent description of the viral misinformation. The person switched products to become a seller of a big sized and big buck home units. It’s just too big to be called portable, but not the worst unit being sold. It’s starts out at $3,959 and 1 battery and like the flex you can add on. Inergy has been good fir the 5? Years that I have been using them.
I'm poor and can't afford any of these types of generators, but Ego has a 2000 watt generator Ego Nexus and people are selling them for $350 on ebay minus the batteries, so if your poor like me you can get one of the coolest generators better then goal zero ie hot swapple batterie and add the batteries when you get money, the Ego will run on a battery or 4.
I didn't have a lot of money either but I save money and put it away put it away and put it away and when I got enough money to get the gold one when I went to go get it I got a really good discount on it save the money by this system I've had mine for 4 years I use it every other weekend when I go up north I use it for a CPAP machine I use it to have a fan going day and night we use in the evening to watch TV DVDs it's worth it save the money and purchase one
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 You idiot, two s amp batteries will get you 1200 watts that are hot swappable, and you can add more when you get more money, how dense are you?
@@jojoihrke It depends on the person, save up your money in the mean time there could be a shtf event. I would rather have it now then holding my pecker in a Shtf.
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 Oh and one more thing, the Ego Nexus isn't a battery pack it is a 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter, that can take on any size Ego battery that are hot swappable and you can charge your batteries on solar and use the Ego nexus at the same time and it is controlled on you smartphone. And it can power all your Ego tools. And it only cost $350 to start out with for 2000 watts contius and 3000 watt surge, Nothing beats this.
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 buy a decent used lifepo4, an inverter, and a solar charge controller. With the right size hard box, and a little wiring, you have a solar generator. Size it for your application. Unless you're running a chest freezer, or a high amp item, you dont need something huge. $300 will go very far in ebay components.
I finally got my Apex last week and am really liking it so far. My question is the book states that the secondary 12 volt lead acid battery should not have a higher voltage than the Apex. A fully charged Apex is about 12.4 volts, a fully charged lead acid is 12.8 volts? whats the scoop? Do I have to equalize the voltage before connecting them? Thank you for all your help. Great videos.
I'm a weekend RVer. My family and I like to hangout by the beach and public parks. So I've been thinking of a solar generator due to its quiet feature. I was thinking plugging the APEX to my RV and run my TV (277w), Surround Sound (200w) with my Bass Speakers (41w) for about 4hrs. max. Maybe an occasional Electric Kettle (1100w) or the Coffee Maker (700w). Would it work? If it does, how much power will I have left? 1HR., 30mins. or 5hrs.? I have been thinking of the DELTA. But what turns me off by it, is when it gets too hot it shots down and takes longer to charge. And from the reviews it does not have long life in comparison to other solar generators. What I like about it is, its quick charge when its cool. What I like about the APEX is the RV 30AMP plug. Is it really a 30AMP output? Help! I've been asking the same questions with these VLogers. They haven't answered me yet. Well except for this DYI person and says the DELTA is a Go. Dont know what to decide on. HELP!
I think it would work great but I can't get past the price to get the generator panels and the rest your looking at over $2000 if I was rich wouldn't be a problem but I'm on a budget.
They also sell them on EBay, so if you have a account you could use Ebay's no interest payments to 24 months, if you spend $600. I have not see the Apex on there yet, but that is how I bought my gen 1 Kodiak! One of their salesmen sale the on EBay!
I made an order in mid May and used your discount code and save lots of money thanks to you. Also I push the shipping back to July 17 cause they are giving free 3 led lights which is smart choice I guess. I wanna see more videos about this product.. also nobody made teardown videos could you make one ?
Almost sent mine back for the Lead Acid issue. The BMS runs it from 9.3 to 12.6 Volts. A lead acid needs from the 11 range to 14.2 ish. They are being a bit generous IMO on the LA effects. I would never run LA batteries chained to this... which was an original intent. You have to have it within a tenth of a volt to chain it (how many will do that)... which is a large pain in the butt with storing a lead acid at a higher voltage and running it low.
I might suggest for future versions of the Inergy portable units, like the Apex, that they make the whole thing weather proof, or at least weather resistant. It should be able to handle being out in the rain without safety or electrical concerns. If a patio AC outlet can be weather proofed, then so can the outlets on a portable power system, like that. Internally, the circuit boards could be coated with epoxy, like marine electronics often are. And, if you drop this thing in water, it shouldn't spell disaster for the unit.
Thank you for making this video. I saw that other video by that solar testing youtuber that shall remain nameless, and I will admit, that as a presale purchaser of the Apex using the CanadianPrepper discount code...I had a bit of Buyers Remorse. That said, my Apex unit had not yet shipped and I was concerned over the 500w vs 1500w sustained discharge comment. CP, you went above and beyond to address each of the CONS that the nameless guy proported, and for that, WE the youtube and CP fan community are thankful. Good job bro! PS: I bought a bugout roll from you too, and that also is TOP NOTCH QUALITY. If you ever get to the Washington DC area, your tab’s on me! (This is not a paid advertisment nor did I recieve any compensation for this comment :)
I have a kodiak and it has been working for 3 years. the solar input melted so i had to modify that and the cooling fan needed replacing. I use it in my van to run a fridge and laptop. i also have a renogy charge controller and inverter hooked to a battleborn battery. I have 600 watts of panels on the roof and can switch via a boat battery switch to the kodiak or the renogy charge controller, I would rather you build your own system instead of buying a solar generator if you use it 24/7 in a van or cabin but if you use it only for now and then portable power it is a good unit.
Q: when will they provide an adapter to MC4 from EC8 as with the Kodiak? If not, why not? Pretty prohibitive for anyone who’s already invested in solar panels from other companies...
It's a slippery slope that they have created. The MC4 connector can only handle up to 30 amps so you can't connect too many panels in parallel. If you tried to run them in series with MC4 the voltage is too high for the MPPT controller they installed in the Apex. You can make your own EC8 adapter, the connector is available on Amazon and just needs to be soldered but be aware of the limitations. That's part of the reason Will was disappointed in the "Upgrade". It could be made much better and less proprietary in the solar component.
Gan Sic is new techno AND I thought this was optimal product for it. About two years ago $500 could buy corsair. Now much less can buy HALF power atx 📦 soon. I am excited to see grid to 12 volt dc getting cheap. Over 16 amps is super cheap even a tiny board. I recommend unicycle tech for moving power quick. Nobody has a gan MODEL yet to my knowledge but 2400 wh able to move you and it 40 mph is a milestone.
Hi, I understand you have to use their solar panels because of the connections. Will they make a series of adapters so I can use my go power solar suitcase? Thanks
lesclave aphobos element Vanlife channel the youtuber Nate uses a insta pot with the Kodak model, I don’t know how long but it’s a good question to ask on his channel
😍 👍 Your a really good Media Product sales influencer..good job Nate..keep up the good work. An media sales influencer is a RUclips individual who uses the power of RUclips, to affect purchase decisions of their subscribers, because of his/her authority, knowledge, position or relationship with his/her audience. An individual who has a following in a particular niche, which they actively engage with (Emergency Preparedness) . RUclips creators often are able to persuade (or “influence”) their subscribers, followers, viewers, to purchase products and services from brands they promote. Influencer marketing is an incredibly effective way to reach interested consumers.
Canadian prepper-what did you have to do(what components did you get)to make the connection between the inergy apex and the PowerFilm 120watt folding solar panel?
QUESTION: what happens if we have heavy cloud cover, for extended periods of time ? Perhaps caused by massive volcanic activity, or wildfires, or an asteroid strike ? Will solar generators still operate ?
I bought the Kodiak for powering up the refrigerator during an extended power outage. I've come to find out that a 3 yr old fridge cannot be powered by the Kodiak for more than 2 minutes. It automatically shuts off after a couple of minutes because it consumes 11 AMPS when powered on and its TOO MUCH for the Kodiak. I wish I knew this clearly before purchasing the Kodiak. I don't have a smaller fridge or freezer to move things to in case of a power outage. Their marketing/website made it sound like I'd be ok running a modern energy-efficient fridge (regular size) for 33 hrs! I don't really NEED the Kodiak for anything else during a power outage but I guess since its really a 550W unit.. I need to adjust my expectations accordingly. What a ripoff. Its a fancy power brick for my cell phones and computer and LED lights!
That's 100% your fridge. What's the power consumption of it? A modern fridge uses 200 watt at most! A decent graded one uses 100 watt, 1kw a day. Either your fridge is ancient, or it is faulty. (might be the kodiak too).
This news is extremely disappointing to me. Especially since my order was finally delivered last week. I just watched another group testing electrical products on another generator. They simply plugged in a crock pot. It pulled 730 watts. That is 180 more discharge watts than the Apex recommendation of 550 watts. So if you can't run a simple crock pot what the hell can you run?
Hi! Hope you read this and comment! As a Canadian too I have read many negative issues about getting this in Canada and having support. Several comments about calling and getting purchase service. Also do you have info about shipping costs,customs etc for us??? Thanks so much from a dedicated subscriber!!!thanks!!!
It unfortunately true, if a customer wants to return an item it is very costly to ship lithium from Canada to the USA. There will be import fees, I think it's one of those situations that if there were problems it would be very costly so they get people to agree to a waiver. It's a risk Canadian customers unfortunately have to take.
Ok I did receive a unit end of May it was running in the box ?? 0% charge very hot in the box all closed up What would the life of this unit be after all that??? I do have a video on RUclips that any one can find it is not trashing the unit only stating what I received
I honestly and generally trust and like the CP channel. I have viewed dozens of your videos. The comments here are kinda chewing on this one.... "ALTHOUGH" I dont see anyone suggesting anybody else is measurably better, I only see sad sacks not happy with the general platform. I have been in a hurricane when gas was not available. You REALLY do not want to be there when gas is not available. Not sure what to think. I kinda think it is a two prong problem. Gas as long as 10 or 20 gallons will last, then you will be ECSTATIC to have solar when nobody else does.....
So which is better? Apex or Kodiak? I want something simple that easiy recharges with solar panels to provide some simple electricity in a grid down scenario. I’m thinking laptop, cell phone, minor things like heating up an electric blanket, or runining a small cooking coil. Thanks!
Canadian notice!!!if you buy direct you will have to sign off on no warranty,no returns,no service. Due to lithium content. There is a distributor in Vancouver,pocomarine that may be set up to circumvent these issues. Be aware!!!
Well may be their new Flex model wont make you look bad or having to make a video defending it. I can admire Will for what he did as he rather promote a good unit that actually performs to the specs. Than support something for the money the company gives you.
Was the reason for the delay of me receiving my Apex due to Will’s reviews and did the company check over the units ? I am still excited about getting mine. They said that I would get mine after July 19th
IMHO, 1500 Watts is simply not enought duty to be practical. 3,000 Watts continuous is more reasonable, with double that for peak turn ons that last for up to 20 seconds. The ONLY home Solar/Electric Generator I have come across which meets this criteria is the *Titan Solar/Electric Generator.* I have to strongly disagree with your premise about drawing full load for hours on end as not being typical. In a major power failure i.e. The Montreal, Quebec ICE Storm of 1998, which I lived through, it was a freaken nightmare to go 20 days without power. I agree THAT kinda scenario is not so common, but in areas where power failures are more common, then a sustained 1500 watt draw for at least 5 hours is not uncommon, thus, I don't think the Kodiak or the Apex is quite there yet. One way Inergy could get there is to equip its products with up to two channels of Solar charging with up to 1,000 Watts of panels per channel on two seperate channels, thus 2,000 Watts maximum charges the 1.1 Kw internal battery at a rate at least equal to its full rate drain. Now you are NOT discharging the battery source fully, or at a high rate, thus your likelihood to damage the battery is much less. As for the heating issues, then use larger gauge wrapped internal transformers and mosfet transistors with greater heat sinks. The weight would increase, but not so much as the render the unit uncarriable.
I like my Apex with my 200 watt panels. I only going to use mine for low power equipment. I like your video, full moon adventure clubs video and wills video. I sill like the Apex and I am waiting for the lithium battery expansion from Inergy. The only thing I don’t like is the price it should be 1200 dollars for the Apex. I paid 1300 with the pre sale. Thank you Canadian preppier for the video.
Refrigerators have compressors but those compressors can be upgraded to something with less power demand. I know cause I’ve seen it. Just gotta find it again.
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I bought one with three solar panels because of your reviews about three months ago, but had to wait for delivery because of covid and their new system being introduced. It arrived 2 weeks ago and now I am in a 2 day power out situation with a 7 day old daughter, 3 year old son, dog and wife. We have kept everything charged, deep freezer frozen, and refrigerator cold without any frustrations or difficulties. Just wanted to say thanks for the reviews - I’ve watched this video a few times and came across it again tonight while sitting in the dark - thought I’d share my inergy apex experience.
You are right in your assessment. The issue is not about capacity, the issue is about meeting expectations. As advertised, 1500 Watt/3000 Watt Surge is different than if they had stated 550 Watt/1500 Watt Surge/3000 Watt Super Surge. I'm one of their original Kickstarter customer and I appreciate the product for what it can do. I just wish the specs was much more forthcoming. If it was, we would not be having this discussion.
Ok, I can agree with that but heinsight is 20/20 and we weren't expecting a RUclipsr from California to get an ant up his ass lol.
I bought the Apex based WP’s initial video a year ago on the first Kodiac. I felt hung out to dry after the harsh rant video. However, I am very pleased with my Apex. I got it for power outages and general prepping, not daily use for cooking, off grid living, or running high wattage hair driers. My 72 yo wife can hook it up and it is always ready to go. Unlike the Goal Zero which WP bashed initially but now praises, the Apex is truly portable and weighs half as much. Why would anyone want to hook up an AGM? The cost/performance benefits of a daisy chained lithium battery is 400% better than AGM. I really appreciated your reaching out to Inergy and refuting the acrid rants of the now infamous video. You did a good job. Keep up the good work.
Thank you. I cancelled my Apex order. because I do want a permanent installation for my crappy old motor home I live in. I had ordered 2 of them because I have 1000 watts of solar panels. I want to be able to run an induction cook top or a convection oven or a microwave. I did that after seeing the video you mentioned. I am also adding a 500 watt wind turbin to my system because the sun doesn't always shine. Instead I went with a 3000 watt pure sine wave inverter and 3 100 amp hour Battle born LiFePo4 batteries. With the charger and battery monitoring system it came to about 600 bucks more than the 2 Apexes but should actually do what I want. I am now broke, but since I don't have rent or electric to pay for I will be able to add a fourth battery in a month or so. This video has confirmed that I made the right choice for what I am trying to do, so thank you again. I am still considering an Apex for things like running the pump for my sluice box when I can't get the motor home close enough to the water. Right now I'm using a 35 amp hour battery for that. It doesn't always last as long as I would like. Thank you some more for your're honest and informative videos. I watch all of them.
I'd like to point out that Will's channel is about off the grid living. He's coming from the perspective of using it as a permanent all in one solar power solution. If this is the use case for Apex, his points are valid. I think Inergy should clarify more in its marketing that it should NOT be viewed as a permanent solution. I think the controversy is that a lot of people are looking at this product as a permanent solution and it's clearly not what it was intended for.
Anytime you are using solar panels permanent or temporarily, they are outside in the elements, duh! Will's concerns are legit and Canadian Prepper is a suck up who doesn't know anything about the electronics involved and just read what Inergy told him to.
You are right. The Apex can't compete with Will's long term solar systems. This is an emergency/short term solution, not your long term whole house solution. For most people, this will get you through a few weeks of SHTF just fine.
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Nice work Nate! This is the way to formulate rational and transparent responses!
Sounds like they should just advertise it as a 550W unit with a 3000W peak and that would solve some expectation problems.
That wouldn't have been an accurate representation of it's capabilities while also showing what they recommend due to the limitations of lithium batteries. Goal zero lithium has the same battery limitations as well.
Simple solution for the Apex: Use a thermostat on the cooling fan. Then, it only comes on when the inverter/charger/batteries are warm and needs cooling. They could then go back to the more simple switch that can also be weather proof and heavier duty than that cheesy little three position switch - which I would have used a three position rocker switch, rather than the twist switch. But, they never asked me.
I've had the Apex for a couple of weeks now. Bought it to run refrigerator and coffee pot during/after a hurricane, and to run kitchen appliances while camping. Cannot get through a 6 minute pot of coffee. Doesn't reliably run the fridge. Sending it back. I feel the highlighting of the 1500 watt inverter in their advertising is misleading.
Doing some research on various companies and their respective power sources, your video was by far one of the best, well spoken, thought out of all. I was really leaning towards the Inergy Apex and this video was a great help in deciding. Oh, and I saw that other video before yours and it didn’t sit well with me so I moved on,. That’s when I found you.
Was going to buy the Apex but after seeing the video of the individual that you mentioned I had some reservations. Now after watching your video I’m encouraged. Love your videos by the way. You know it would be awesome if you mad a video series on the practical applications for this generator. Also the do’s and don’ts would be nice. Keep making videos, learning a lot.
Brabham26 I would avoid this product and take the “Individual’s” advise.
Being one of the first pre-orders back in January, I was very excited to recieve it, even though I was going to have to wait several months to get it. I actually picked it up from the warehouse on my way to Overland Expo West. I know that I was very shocked when I first saw the video you mentioned and was tempted to return the unit based on that, but decided not to take a knee jerk reaction. I'm glad that I did. It took the unit along with the new Lynx solar panel that finally came after a long wait time to the Northwest Overland Rally in Plain, WA. The pair performed very well together and powered my son's laptop, my Dometic cf40 fridge and other electronic devices. I really like it's lighter weight and portability.
A.k.a., stop trying to break it, too see if it really works!
In the last three weeks, we had 3 power outages, but as long as my WiFi, modem as powered, everyone was happy! We had to use our tablets, to steam movies and Tv shows, but you can not complain, when the power is out everywhere else!
I am so glad that the phone lines, are on a completely different power source then our AC lines!
I’m a big fan of your channel CP, but I don’t understand why you deleted Will’s comment/response on this video? He’s actually made good points.
Oh! I'd like to know what Will's response was? Did not see that comment...today is 10/9/2019 and just saw this.
Today it's June 2 2020, good to know Will left comment here and was deleted. Seems Apex is no longer on Inergy's website anyway, look forward to their Flex's line coming up this year.
Will either one power a regular refrigerator?
I would prefer to have 2 Inergy units than 1 bigger unit. I like having a back up. I own a Kodiak and I ordered Inergy’s new unit the FLEX with an extra battery that I can swap between the two units if needed. All Inergy units are Lithium batteries, some of the others use sealed lead acid. I’m not a pro electrician that’s why I like the plug N Play units.
I watch Will’s channel and he is great at what he does. Maybe it’s a conflict because Will is a affiliate of a competing brand and limiting critiques to each channel prevents a critique war? I bought my Kodiak because of Will endorsing it. Canadian Prepper has left your comment up and he replied with Inergy’s statements so maybe that is the fair thing to do. I ordered Inergy’s new FLEX unit and an extra lithium battery.
Confused, here.
Will Prowse stated a laundry list of shortcomings of the product. He contacted Inergy to let them know. And they sponsor him. He's taking a risk but showing objectivity.
You read direct verbiage from Inergy in response to Will's criticism of them. That's a bad look. Seems like they sent you out to do the dirty work for them.
CP, you do an outstanding job of methodically presenting your reviews. Your silence would indicate your confidence in the Inergy review.
I watched both yours and WP's. And I gave each equal weight.
Why did WP's criticism of this one product rile you so much?
The person that gave that bad review on the Apex is also sponsored by Apex. He has since talked to Inergy and put out as new video. It is obvious Inergy sat him down and explained why the Apex is designed the way it is. Now he goes into more explanation covering his ass and doing his best to mend bridges. In his test he gets a continuous draw of 760 - 790 watts. better than the 550 Ingery states. Your video is spot on. My Apex is supposed to be here at then end of July. Thumbs up for Apex
Inergy: Shit! Everyone is watching the Will Prowse video. Hurry call Canadian Prepper he'll shill for us 😂.
Listen Will brings up some really good points. And his video like all of his videos have him testing the units thoroughly. At no point did he ever say inergy as a company didn't produce good products. He just said the Apex had some major flaws. I don't understand your logic? Just because he supported a company for the last year-and-a-half he should never give a negative review on new products? If anything that makes me respect him more. this video speaks more to your character as I'm sure inergy reached out personally to have you do a collateral damage video. For someone who pushes preparedness so much having the best product available especially in prepper situations seems key. Whether that be. Inergy, goal solar or building your own unit.
Perhaps a video showing the hook up to solar panels, & the addition of more batteries is inorder ? 🤔
Its very straightforward if you use their panels if not you will need to get some adapters or splice some wires.
I love my Kodiak. I have run my 1/2hp sump pump and a 4 gallon air compressor with it. It does have some extreme capability. A goal zero yeti 1000 lithium runs a 1500 watt load for 40+ minutes. Is it hard on it? Yes. Can a Kodiak/Apex do that? No. The battery/inverter is not designed to deliver 1500 watts continuously (more than 2 or 3 minutes). That is a huge load though. So if you truly need 1500 watts for extended periods of time, dont buy an apex. However, for just about everyone, an Apex will meet your needs. It has met mine.
Why did you delete Will Prowse's response here? Why was he banned from responding? Why are you deleting negative reviews of this product on your channel?
Perhaps he's bought and paid for by Inergy and lacks the integrity to be honest. Deleted comments speak volumes, afraid of the truth? Lame, no respect for CP.
Indeed! He is promoting and getting paid to save the reputation from a rubbish product. No respect for this channel. You are welcome to delete my comment as well.
@@leoinswlondon Correct, this is a joke
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@hoop but Wills comments was
Oh! I saw DIY Solar Guy's review..he was laughing when the switch fell off... He seems very smart about solar, so I made notes not to purchase it, but I'm glad you reviewed this as I've been watching you for quite a while (prepper here) and I trust your judgement and review. Thanks a bunch!
Dude you drank the Koolade, a dead switch is primary , not cosmetic. Switch should be of the highest quality with ZERO malfunctions. Look at good USA built ham radio equipment, you don't have these issues switches. It's like saying your parachute pull did not work when you tried to open it, but the overall chute was of built high quality. That is not what they would be saying at your funeral. 2nd point a1500/3000 watt inverter should handle the minimum load period and your WRONG about the it is not meant to handle those loads. That is why it has that rating. That is why they have UL ratings on equipment. Please dont delete all the truthful comments and get back to the Truth! thanks
I have the kodiak. I like it. I use mine for small appliances. No problems here.
I used Chafon for significantly less money and worked outstanding for my needs during my months after Hurricane Maria wrath. I have no doubts that these products work. Thanks for the information. I’m considering in buying one.
My son is an Electrical Engineering Technician. His company builds coast guard ships for countries around the world. I am preparing a 6'x12" cargo trailer as a bug out vehicle. He said you are better to use multiple AGM batteries for power storage and buy solar panels adding the necessary monitoring components. Many how to videos online. Keep your power needs to minimal. All this at much lower price. Easy to replace items if necessary.
The adversarial relationship between you and Will upsets me. I listen to you guys religiously and follow both of you and do not understand the controversy. Of course I am not knowledgeable to the minutia involved in your disagreement. I think you guys provide great info to the masses [me]. You need to talk. You both are confident,
knowledgeable individuals and I do not want to figure out who is correct. Both products are solid. No product will serve each of us in every way. Will only stated that the Inergy product excelled in certain applications and did not possibly measure up in others. He constantly pushes for improvements. That is my impression of him and that is his way. You , on the other hand have wonderful knowledge regarding the whole picture of prepping, self sufficiency and such. For all of us, [the un-informed], try to work this out. Censorship is not the answer as long as the opposing views remains civil.
I love your reply, Dan...I feel the same way. I enjoy both Canadian Prepper and DIY Solar. The intro from Inergy on this video kind of explains what Wil was trying to say right? It's not for continuos use but for surges like starting up certain things?
Thank you for your simplified technical information :-) Knowing how to ask the questions is half the battle in understanding a product's viability. I have been looking at these for awhile, felt the Kodiak the best option out there for me, now sure the Apex absolutely is. I am not looking for a full gas generator and don't have a desire to travel with a gas can. As a single lady traveler, I am in need of a unit that makes using the extra agm backup battery for support when boon docking more feasible (in addition to being solar capable). Also, the truly portable power source option without complicated electronic hookups is a great option for the non-technical (plug and play as it were)...
Wait, What!! This is not a 1500w unit then. If it can't do it continuously, then its not accurately rated. My grip is with the rating, as it should be. I understand heat is an issue, but don't tell us its 1500W, and then turn around say, "oh, well that's for a short bursts". I thought the "up to" 3000w was for short bursts. With all this back pedaling, lets just say its half the rating of 1500, and call it what it is, 750W solar generator. Additionally, I don't think deleting Wills comment/post was ethical or warranted. This makes you and Inergy look bad. Maybe he got a bad unit ( hey, it happens ).
OUTSTANDING VID. I have been looking at getting one of these units. Cost and not knowing much about solar generators have held me back. At bit more research for me. Thanks.
Good job Nate. I purchased the Apex several days ago and Im glad I did. I will have to pay off my paypal account in 6 mos and then Ill spring for the solar panels.
Really great summary of the whole picture here, thank you sir.
I know enough on lithium technology to know that their responses make total sense.
Best *portable* solar genny on the market; would definitively buy one if possible $...
Again thank you CP.
Best? No.
I use for occasional power outtages and it will run my 1100w microwave or 900w coffee maker or our full sized refrigerator freezer ...I have charged from solar and the standard oem 100w wall charger and I added a 600w dc power supply when I want to charge more rapidly...Leaving the unit activated when changing at high wattage, speeds up the charge as the active cooling with fans helps keep the battery and electronics receptive to more watts... When it provides ~1000 watts the unit will shut down when charge depleted to 1/3 full...in practice the unit claims up to accept up to 600w input and I have found that the input rapidly drops to ~250w as components warm up even with the fan running.
Good job explaining this. If this was a political debate about this generator you just slap the crap out of that other fella. I did watch the other one and was quite surprised after all of the positive reviews this particular model had gotten. No one and I mean no one has gone into depth of the way you have. Thank you for taking the time to give us fact not opinion.
I think that your video on the Inergy Units is Outstanding.
Someone I know has the Kodiak and the ambient temperature of heat in a vehicle melted the charging cable. Cheap quality cables.
And thank you for making this video. I didn’t doubt the product too much, but his video did make me have a bit of buyer’s remorse until I realized he had nothing better to recommend!
Apex, is an awesome item, worth its weight in gold and strongly recommend it for everyone. Best company i ever dealt with and will deal with again
My only gripe with the Kodiak; I purchased when it first came out and Inergy was not clear in any digital or written format how limited the unit is to use add-on batteries because the acceptable difference of power quality is .1 volt between any of the connected batteries. That was one of the features many of the RUclips Influencers kept touting - "Connect as many batteries as you want".
Bought two ( Energy) of them for fast boat repair.
One broke one burnt of.
Never again!
I am absolutely amazed by our Apex......well worth the money. Plug and play is right!
I've built 5 units similar to this APEX with AGM batteries ($475 50Ahr 50lbs) . I'm getting older and my solar generates are getting heavy to carry to my deer blind thru the woods. I'm looking to build using a Lithium battery to cut the weight. Made a price list to make the solar generator comes in at $1150. At $1150 it has twice the storage (50Ahr) capacity to the APEX and weighs in at 15lbs more. Bottom line the APEX is good on price for someone whom can't build it themselves (very compact). These Lithium batteries are expensive and price should come down in the future.
Excellent assessment!
Only issue is the price 😲
Don't think about it man just buy it 😏😏
Rolling Initiative 😂 👍
@John Smith , except remember you will have the solar panels and they put out 100 watts each. Granted without a battery for storage of power this power will only be available of course during daylight hours.
It might be worth Stockpiling batteries if perhaps you have a health condition that requires devices that need electricity.
@John Smith, like you, I've thought of a more apocalyptic disaster that could take decades (if ever) to recover from.
In that case getting spare parts to repair anything will be very difficult if possible at all. Having duplicates of important items may not be economically practical for many folks.
Survival may depend more on learning to be able to live off grid before the major a SHTF. Actually decussing which friends you want to team up with for support.
That said, living in Commifornia our disaster is more likely to be a natural one like the "Big One"!
The rest of the country will wave goodbye and good riddance to Cali as it slips into the Pacific Ocean. After the San Andreas makes Arizona residences beach front property what might be left of pieces of Cali will be just about useless.
Talk about refugees, Nevada and Arizona will have their hands full of crazy entitled leftist Californians who thinks the government and everyone else should take care of them.
Solar power (see how I brought it back) will be priceless in this situation since even a year or two or three, any of these solar generators and their batteries should still be working. I love induction plate cooking!
Hope this post won't cause nightmares tonight!
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 I AGREE with you, but I do beleave propane is indefenit shelf life. Good talk guys.
I don't have any concerns about the product itself, I'm concerned why my pre-order has been pushed back AGAIN, to July 17th!
@@predater5017 That isnt cool at all.
@@predater5017 "Murphy's Law" shit will happen when you least expect it!!!
This will do Jack squat in a nuclear war!! Period!
@@thomasgriffin8269 , LOL, if you're far enough to survive the blast I think you're referring to the EMP effecting electronics.
I got an EMP bag to store my generator. So if the radiation doesn't kill us we at least can listen to music from our iPod while we slowly turn into Zombies. What a future!!!
@@JoeMicalizziMPC yes, first song has to be 1999 by Prince!! :)
Saw that negative video. Wasn't impressed then. Thank you for taking time to go back over the real deal.
I wasn't aware of Will until after watching this video. I spent the last couple of days going over the bulk of his videos and have come to the conclusion that you have drank from the corporate kool-aid container. Simply put, the kid (Will) is right. This product is substandard. Give back the free Apek and endorsement funds you have received from Inergy and get back on the side of your membership. If your not impartial, then you are of no use to me. Well on the bright side, thanks for putting me in contact with an honest reviewer (Will) for all things solar.
Soooooo basically it's an over priced battery pack. I remember the video where you bashed generators and touted this as a superior product and I called bullshit back then. Love my Yamaha 3000 inverter/generator and I'm happy I did not invested my dollars in the Kodiac. In 5 years the Yamaha will also have solid resale value.....And yes civilization will still exist in 5 years lol. Go watch "do it yourself solar power wit will" he does the review you should have and is honest and didn't sell out
David Wright I don't like finite fuel sources, so I am planning on making my own solar generator and wood fired generator. It's good to look into renewable sources of energy but I recommend you building your own setup.
I just built my own solar generator 1000Whr for 200 bucks its lead acid so its bigger and abit heavier but much cheaper. And also have my own petrol generator both supporting each other as redundancy and both the petrol generator and solar battery generator and solar panel cost less than this Apex generator.
All info that was presented on the product prior to release by everything including your channel never mentioned the limitation to not use 1500 continuous watts. Whether you should or shouldn’t isn’t really the point. I’d rather get my full blown capacity if I need it when I need it. In a true SHTF scenario you may have a real need for a 1500 watts continuous for a period of time.
In the same way that Tesla gives you the option for ludacris mode even though it’s not recommended it should have still been an option here if it’s what they are actually advertising as usable.
I really like your channel but I can’t believe your defending a company stating one thing up front but not really providing it to you.
If that 100k lumen flashlight you were using did it for a few minutes and then shut down and only worked at 1/3 lumens most of the time would you be ok with it?
I think youre right, more disclosure is required with that. Personally I cant think of anything that I would need 1500 watts continous after SHTF that I wouldnt need for much longer than 40 minutes which would be outside the capability of this device seeing as it cant charge that fast. The flashlight does only work for short stints but flashlight companies address this by stating lumens like 1-3 minute/ 60 minutes. So you get 60 minutes total in 1-3 minute bursts. I just presumed I wouldnt rely on this to do any long term heavy lifting when its only a 1.1 kwh battery
@@CanadianPrepper Do you recommend a fridge (model/info) that will work with the Kodiak or APEX? My fridge uses 11 AMPS (peak) and its too much for the Kodiak after a couple of minutes.
I thought you should know that there is another video out there by an RVr who had, in a sense, the same problems with her Apex solar generator. The styrofoam casing rubbed against the power indicator switch but instead of breaking the switch turn the switch on! Now depending on how long it for the package to be delivered let's just say it was over a 4 week period. The battery was drained to zero and the ventilation fans would not turn off! By the way, she made a RUclips video on this along with an update from the president of that company. President offered to fix it and send it back but, crying out loud, the battery was drained to zero! The battery is no good!! You should really find this video and watch them both. I have great concern about this company.
I don't want to sound negative...; you talk about a "Solar Generator"; but, you only mention solar panels once as an option. Without solar panels, it is only a fancy battery backup. With solar panels, it becomes a solar generator. So, what are the specifications with solar panels attached...panel output, charging time, unit performance with panels attached, etc.
You must be new here LOL, I've discussed the semantics of "solar generator" many times in past. I've addressed all that in my review of the Apex check out the link in the description
It is no different than a gas generator. Both store potential energy, it is just that they store it differently.
A gas generator utilizes chemical energy and converts it to mechanical energy and then into electrical energy. The energy Kodiak and Apex use chemical energy (in the batteries) and converts it to electrical energy.
Both are the same, they just store energy differently.
TY for this review! I've had my eye on these for quite sometime and have been learning about generators of all kinds! I like the light weight and solar power system and thru this video learned about having lead acid batteries as an option.
I bought one and I love it. It works great. Took it camping and it powered everything I needed it to.
Will Prowse brought me over here.
There was talk that you were on suicide watch...glad to see you're OK. Good come back video. Everything in life is a comprise. Weight vs. Power Output is a valid argument. This is why my solar system is only part of my emergency power plan. I have dual propane/gas generators for my higher amperage power needs.
Good system..I like using power tools and that requires more power.
Whether or not he was or wasn't on a Suicide Watch is irrelevant...that's not your business to tell the Public for an instant of cleverness to boost your confidence or self esteem or whatever. That's personal. And not anyone's business unless CP goes out of his way to let us know or makes a video about it. Ffs, I knew this kind of thing by the time I was nine. Idiot.
@@milesc.anthony2811 , get a life kiss ass! Quite a keyboard warrior r u!!!
I can see a use for it around this preppers homestead. But, at that price, even with the discount, it is still a tad bit away from my liking. I want a freeze dryer more. Definitely on my "wish list". Battery technology will get better and freeze drying may too. Both should come down in price as well. Nice video.
Excellent description of the viral misinformation. The person switched products to become a seller of a big sized and big buck home units. It’s just too big to be called portable, but not the worst unit being sold. It’s starts out at $3,959 and 1 battery and like the flex you can add on. Inergy has been good fir the 5? Years that I have been using them.
Again you presented information clearly...stop it. You will give You Tube a bad name.
@@plantarfasciitissurvivalgu6940 lol gg
I'm poor and can't afford any of these types of generators, but Ego has a 2000 watt generator Ego Nexus and people are selling them for $350 on ebay minus the batteries, so if your poor like me you can get one of the coolest generators better then goal zero ie hot swapple batterie and add the batteries when you get money, the Ego will run on a battery or 4.
I didn't have a lot of money either but I save money and put it away put it away and put it away and when I got enough money to get the gold one when I went to go get it I got a really good discount on it save the money by this system I've had mine for 4 years I use it every other weekend when I go up north I use it for a CPAP machine I use it to have a fan going day and night we use in the evening to watch TV DVDs it's worth it save the money and purchase one
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 You idiot, two s amp batteries will get you 1200 watts that are hot swappable, and you can add more when you get more money, how dense are you?
@@jojoihrke It depends on the person, save up your money in the mean time there could be a shtf event. I would rather have it now then holding my pecker in a Shtf.
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 Oh and one more thing, the Ego Nexus isn't a battery pack it is a 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter, that can take on any size Ego battery that are hot swappable and you can charge your batteries on solar and use the Ego nexus at the same time and it is controlled on you smartphone. And it can power all your Ego tools. And it only cost $350 to start out with for 2000 watts contius and 3000 watt surge, Nothing beats this.
@@minnesconsinprepping7856 buy a decent used lifepo4, an inverter, and a solar charge controller. With the right size hard box, and a little wiring, you have a solar generator. Size it for your application. Unless you're running a chest freezer, or a high amp item, you dont need something huge. $300 will go very far in ebay components.
So are you an employee of the company? Sure seems like it
I finally got my Apex last week and am really liking it so far. My question is the book states that the secondary 12 volt lead acid battery should not have a higher voltage than the Apex. A fully charged Apex is about 12.4 volts, a fully charged lead acid is 12.8 volts? whats the scoop? Do I have to equalize the voltage before connecting them?
Thank you for all your help. Great videos.
Hell yes- must drain your extra battery to the proper voltage before connecting them together.
I'm a weekend RVer. My family and I like to hangout by the beach and public parks. So I've been thinking of a solar generator due to its quiet feature. I was thinking plugging the APEX to my RV and run my TV (277w), Surround Sound (200w) with my Bass Speakers (41w) for about 4hrs. max. Maybe an occasional Electric Kettle (1100w) or the Coffee Maker (700w). Would it work? If it does, how much power will I have left? 1HR., 30mins. or 5hrs.? I have been thinking of the DELTA. But what turns me off by it, is when it gets too hot it shots down and takes longer to charge. And from the reviews it does not have long life in comparison to other solar generators. What I like about it is, its quick charge when its cool. What I like about the APEX is the RV 30AMP plug. Is it really a 30AMP output? Help! I've been asking the same questions with these VLogers. They haven't answered me yet. Well except for this DYI person and says the DELTA is a Go. Dont know what to decide on. HELP!
I think it would work great but I can't get past the price to get the generator panels and the rest your looking at over $2000 if I was rich wouldn't be a problem but I'm on a budget.
They also sell them on EBay, so if you have a account you could use Ebay's no interest payments to 24 months, if you spend $600.
I have not see the Apex on there yet, but that is how I bought my gen 1 Kodiak! One of their salesmen sale the on EBay!
Still waiting for mine. That makes me feel a bit better about it. I love your talks.
I made an order in mid May and used your discount code and save lots of money thanks to you. Also I push the shipping back to July 17 cause they are giving free 3 led lights which is smart choice I guess. I wanna see more videos about this product.. also nobody made teardown videos could you make one ?
Almost sent mine back for the Lead Acid issue. The BMS runs it from 9.3 to 12.6 Volts. A lead acid needs from the 11 range to 14.2 ish. They are being a bit generous IMO on the LA effects. I would never run LA batteries chained to this... which was an original intent. You have to have it within a tenth of a volt to chain it (how many will do that)... which is a large pain in the butt with storing a lead acid at a higher voltage and running it low.
I might suggest for future versions of the Inergy portable units, like the Apex, that they make the whole thing weather proof, or at least weather resistant. It should be able to handle being out in the rain without safety or electrical concerns. If a patio AC outlet can be weather proofed, then so can the outlets on a portable power system, like that. Internally, the circuit boards could be coated with epoxy, like marine electronics often are. And, if you drop this thing in water, it shouldn't spell disaster for the unit.
Great job on the video. Very informative. That should ease a few minds.👍
Thank you for making this video. I saw that other video by that solar testing youtuber that shall remain nameless, and I will admit, that as a presale purchaser of the Apex using the CanadianPrepper discount code...I had a bit of Buyers Remorse. That said, my Apex unit had not yet shipped and I was concerned over the 500w vs 1500w sustained discharge comment. CP, you went above and beyond to address each of the CONS that the nameless guy proported, and for that, WE the youtube and CP fan community are thankful. Good job bro! PS: I bought a bugout roll from you too, and that also is TOP NOTCH QUALITY. If you ever get to the Washington DC area, your tab’s on me! (This is not a paid advertisment nor did I recieve any compensation for this comment :)
So you mean if you are really hard on your stuff it won't last as long? Well, I'll be damned.
The Dude it means it was falsely advertised....
I have a kodiak and it has been working for 3 years. the solar input melted so i had to modify that and the cooling fan needed replacing. I use it in my van to run a fridge and laptop. i also have a renogy charge controller and inverter hooked to a battleborn battery. I have 600 watts of panels on the roof and can switch via a boat battery switch to the kodiak or the renogy charge controller, I would rather you build your own system instead of buying a solar generator if you use it 24/7 in a van or cabin but if you use it only for now and then portable power it is a good unit.
Q: when will they provide an adapter to MC4 from EC8 as with the Kodiak? If not, why not? Pretty prohibitive for anyone who’s already invested in solar panels from other companies...
It's a slippery slope that they have created. The MC4 connector can only handle up to 30 amps so you can't connect too many panels in parallel. If you tried to run them in series with MC4 the voltage is too high for the MPPT controller they installed in the Apex. You can make your own EC8 adapter, the connector is available on Amazon and just needs to be soldered but be aware of the limitations. That's part of the reason Will was disappointed in the "Upgrade". It could be made much better and less proprietary in the solar component.
Gan Sic is new techno AND I thought this was optimal product for it.
About two years ago $500 could buy corsair. Now much less can buy HALF power atx 📦 soon.
I am excited to see grid to 12 volt dc getting cheap. Over 16 amps is super cheap even a tiny board.
I recommend unicycle tech for moving power quick. Nobody has a gan MODEL yet to my knowledge but 2400 wh able to move you and it 40 mph is a milestone.
What kind of pumps are you using for your garden hoses you showed in the video? Thanks!
Do you work for Inergy? You do not sound like an independent, objective reviewer.
Hi, I understand you have to use their solar panels because of the connections. Will they make a series of adapters so I can use my go power solar suitcase?
Thanks
Have you ever ran the Bluetti products? I have heard good things about reliability and power. Thoughts?
always loved your channel, but also love Will's channel, kinda sad you would treat him unfairly
After watching pro and con videos and reading a lot of discussion, I still can’t figure out if the thing will power an Instant Pot (1000w).
lesclave aphobos element Vanlife channel the youtuber Nate uses a insta pot with the Kodak model, I don’t know how long but it’s a good question to ask on his channel
😍 👍 Your a really good Media Product sales influencer..good job Nate..keep up the good work.
An media sales influencer is a RUclips individual who uses the power of RUclips, to affect purchase decisions of their subscribers, because of his/her authority, knowledge, position or relationship with his/her audience. An individual who has a following in a particular niche, which they actively engage with (Emergency Preparedness) . RUclips creators often are able to persuade (or “influence”) their subscribers, followers, viewers, to purchase products and services from brands they promote.
Influencer marketing is an incredibly effective way to reach interested consumers.
Thanks for your video makes good sense! Clears up some concerns?
Canadian prepper-what did you have to do(what components did you get)to make the connection between the inergy apex and the PowerFilm 120watt folding solar panel?
QUESTION: what happens if we have heavy cloud cover, for extended periods of time ? Perhaps caused by massive volcanic activity, or wildfires, or an asteroid strike ? Will solar generators still operate ?
If that happens, it will impact ALL solar systems.
I bought the Kodiak for powering up the refrigerator during an extended power outage. I've come to find out that a 3 yr old fridge cannot be powered by the Kodiak for more than 2 minutes. It automatically shuts off after a couple of minutes because it consumes 11 AMPS when powered on and its TOO MUCH for the Kodiak. I wish I knew this clearly before purchasing the Kodiak. I don't have a smaller fridge or freezer to move things to in case of a power outage. Their marketing/website made it sound like I'd be ok running a modern energy-efficient fridge (regular size) for 33 hrs! I don't really NEED the Kodiak for anything else during a power outage but I guess since its really a 550W unit.. I need to adjust my expectations accordingly. What a ripoff. Its a fancy power brick for my cell phones and computer and LED lights!
That's 100% your fridge. What's the power consumption of it? A modern fridge uses 200 watt at most! A decent graded one uses 100 watt, 1kw a day. Either your fridge is ancient, or it is faulty. (might be the kodiak too).
If your fridge has an ice maker, you have to turn it off.
This news is extremely disappointing to me. Especially since my order was finally delivered last week. I just watched another group testing electrical products on another generator. They simply plugged in a crock pot. It pulled 730 watts. That is 180 more discharge watts than the Apex recommendation of 550 watts. So if you can't run a simple crock pot what the hell can you run?
As long as it can run some grow lights and fans, for most of the day I’d be happy with it.
Hi! Hope you read this and comment! As a Canadian too I have read many negative issues about getting this in Canada and having support. Several comments about calling and getting purchase service. Also do you have info about shipping costs,customs etc for us??? Thanks so much from a dedicated subscriber!!!thanks!!!
It unfortunately true, if a customer wants to return an item it is very costly to ship lithium from Canada to the USA. There will be import fees, I think it's one of those situations that if there were problems it would be very costly so they get people to agree to a waiver. It's a risk Canadian customers unfortunately have to take.
Ok I did receive a unit end of May it was running in the box ?? 0% charge very hot in the box all closed up
What would the life of this unit be after all that??? I do have a video on RUclips that any one can find it is not trashing the unit only stating what I received
I honestly and generally trust and like the CP channel. I have viewed dozens of your videos. The comments here are kinda chewing on this one.... "ALTHOUGH" I dont see anyone suggesting anybody else is measurably better, I only see sad sacks not happy with the general platform. I have been in a hurricane when gas was not available. You REALLY do not want to be there when gas is not available. Not sure what to think. I kinda think it is a two prong problem. Gas as long as 10 or 20 gallons will last, then you will be ECSTATIC to have solar when nobody else does.....
Cool solar energy bank but the shirt is badass keep up the good work Nate
Thanks, its my favorite shirt!
So which is better? Apex or Kodiak? I want something simple that easiy recharges with solar panels to provide some simple electricity in a grid down scenario. I’m thinking laptop, cell phone, minor things like heating up an electric blanket, or runining a small cooking coil. Thanks!
Canadian notice!!!if you buy direct you will have to sign off on no warranty,no returns,no service. Due to lithium content. There is a distributor in Vancouver,pocomarine that may be set up to circumvent these issues. Be aware!!!
Well may be their new Flex model wont make you look bad or having to make a video defending it. I can admire Will for what he did as he rather promote a good unit that actually performs to the specs. Than support something for the money the company gives you.
I don't live in the States or Canada but across the pond. Do they have units with the funky British plugs or the EU ones?
I was wandering the same thing.
Was the reason for the delay of me receiving my Apex due to Will’s reviews and did the company check over the units ?
I am still excited about getting mine. They said that I would get mine after July 19th
I just got mine last week ! Nothing fell apart. I am happy.
hey, i was wondering if you could make a video on how to attach the batteries to the apex, or if you have any links explaining on how to do that
Canadian Prepper = Inergy PR Employee lol "Go Figure"
Shrimp Taquito I am so sad!! I loved this guy!!!!!!
Canadian Prepper=not the same mind and experiences as me, we can disagree Rocketing up in every way “Great Job CP” 👍🤝.
This is a huge disappointment for me. CP is definitely a shill for his sponsor. Huge loss of respect.
IMHO, 1500 Watts is simply not enought duty to be practical. 3,000 Watts continuous is more reasonable, with double that for peak turn ons that last for up to 20 seconds. The ONLY home Solar/Electric Generator I have come across which meets this criteria is the *Titan Solar/Electric Generator.* I have to strongly disagree with your premise about drawing full load for hours on end as not being typical. In a major power failure i.e. The Montreal, Quebec ICE Storm of 1998, which I lived through, it was a freaken nightmare to go 20 days without power. I agree THAT kinda scenario is not so common, but in areas where power failures are more common, then a sustained 1500 watt draw for at least 5 hours is not uncommon, thus, I don't think the Kodiak or the Apex is quite there yet. One way Inergy could get there is to equip its products with up to two channels of Solar charging with up to 1,000 Watts of panels per channel on two seperate channels, thus 2,000 Watts maximum charges the 1.1 Kw internal battery at a rate at least equal to its full rate drain. Now you are NOT discharging the battery source fully, or at a high rate, thus your likelihood to damage the battery is much less. As for the heating issues, then use larger gauge wrapped internal transformers and mosfet transistors with greater heat sinks. The weight would increase, but not so much as the render the unit uncarriable.
If they are promoting a $450.00 discount, in my opinion, this item is way over priced to begin with.
I like my Apex with my 200 watt panels. I only going to use mine for low power equipment. I like your video, full moon adventure clubs video and wills video. I sill like the Apex and I am waiting for the lithium battery expansion from Inergy. The only thing I don’t like is the price it should be 1200 dollars for the Apex. I paid 1300 with the pre sale. Thank you Canadian preppier for the video.
Refrigerators have compressors but those compressors can be upgraded to something with less power demand. I know cause I’ve seen it. Just gotta find it again.
What's that magnetic antenna you put on your truck in the intro?
For a CB radio