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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2024
- I researched the Marauders Fandom (a subset of the Harry Potter fandom) to figure out what it is, why its unique, and whether its ethical or not.
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In this fandom video essay deep dive and media commentary video, I talked about a section of the Harry Potter fandom called the Marauders fandom. Instead of focusing on Harry Potter, Hermione Grange, or Draco Malfoy or ships like Drarry or Dramione, it focuses on the parents like James Potter, Remus Lupin, Sirius Black, and Regulus Black, and on ships like Wolfstar or Jegulus. Marauders fans have created their own marauders lore. We talk about the many issues with the problematic J.K. Rowling, as well as the Marauders fanfiction that created many headcanons and fanon, All The Young Dudes by MsKingBean89
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they are actually referred to as the Marauders ONE TIME in canon, in the Half Blood Prince they're talking about the room of requirement and Ron says "Maybe the Marauders didn't know about the room."
Pro tip: if you're using social media to research a subject you otherwise have no interest in, make an alt account to avoid destroying your own algorithm beyond recognition lol
Edit: I swear this wasn't intended as an afterthought but this was a very thoughtful and well-executed essay, thanks for the time you put into it.
lollll probably a good idea 😭 and thank you!
As someone who participated passively in Harry Potter fandom pre-2020, I actually read ATYD in 2018. I liked it for sure, it’s very well written and relatively thoughtful about the characters- but I was surprised to learn of its popularity on tiktok and even more surprised to learn that it had sprung a fandom of its own. I think there’s something to be said about a fanfiction becoming the “new canon” for a large amount of people- I wonder how many marauders fanfic authors these days actually deviate from the archetypes born out of atyd, and if they feel welcome in the community. Interesting video, thanks for your thoughts!
it's definitely interesting! I've seen lots of big fics in fandoms get heavily incorporated into fanon before, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen it happen to this extent! Thanks for watching!
From an older Wolfstar fan : naaaaah, it had started BEFORE GOF. Like, straight from PoA!! It was so obvious when reading PoA (for some of us at least XD )
well, there will always be an audience for ANY ship, so i don't doubt it at all! its just that most sources ive seen agree that gof is where it really started to have a real audience, which obviously might've had to do with the popularity of the books increasing over time as well!
Marauders fandom recap: canon is non existent until the canon doesn't go against gayness and only makes people sad
The way I see it, though, the difference between Sirius and Snape is this:
Okay lets first start with their similar upbringings
Snape grew up in a physically abusive household. We know this. While it's not explicitly mentioned that Sirius was abused by his family, there are several pieces of context we can use to come to this not-so-far-fetched conclusion.
1) Walburga's portrait continues to hurl extremely graphic threats and insults at him in the Order of the Phoenix - we know that the magical portraits usually are very accurate portrayals of the residents when they were alive. To say that Walburga alone doesn't fit in this category would be, frankly, incorrect
2) Sirius' face was BURNED OFF from the Black family tree. Says enough about how his family viewed him tbh
3) He comes from the BLACK FAMILY. A family thats CANONICALLY bigotted and narcissistic due to their pure blooded heritage, as can be seen in the Malfoy family throughout the books. Luscious Malfoys' wife Narcissa and Bellatrix Lestrange both came from the black family. Enough said about that
I dont think it's pushing it too far to say that Sirius grew up in an abusive household
Now, Sirius starts at Hogwarts and meets the Marauders, who no doubt shows him love and healthy friendships he never had. Snape, on the other hand, meets Lily and forms a close bond with HER. So, both boys had terrible upbringing but grew up to find someone they feltsafe and happy with. The difference, though, is that Snape continued to be a bigotted pure blood by playing into the social hierarchy of the wizarding world, despite the kindness shown to him by Lily. He could've chosen another path, but he ultimately didn't. Sirius, on the other hand, was the complete opposite. He grew up to be the opposite of the Black family legacy and grew up to be an actually good person. Now, the way both characters were written might've had a role in this, considering that throughout the books, Slytherin is portrayed as being the 'evil house' while Griffindor being very much the 'heroic good house'. So i would argue that the characters were initially WRITTEN like this, and that's not necessarily fan doing
"The difference, though, is that Snape continued to be a bigotted pure blood by playing into the social hierarchy of the wizarding world, despite the kindness shown to him by Lily. He could've chosen another path, but he ultimately didn't." Ummm, No. Snape is a half-blood, raised in his abusive muggle father's home and town, then had to deal with the shame of his own muggle heritage as a half-blood in a House in which pure blood is prized over everything else. I doubt Sirius's abuse started before he was sorted into Gryffindor. Before then he was the eldest son, and his parents' heir, and brought up in privilege and wealth. That he would be a Slytherin was probably not even questioned by his family, so it probably wasn't until he ended up in the 'enemy's' house that his troubles began. This is important.
With Snape's background of poverty, neglect and abuse, parents who didn't love him, an appearance close to the standard fairy-tale witch trope (he'd be the Wicked Witch of the West if his skin had been green), that made him thin-skinned, sensitive, and desperate to be loved, it also made him the target of constant bullying. Rowling could have made him the same sort of indulged, self-centered upperclass twit as Lucius, with no reason other than his own feelings of superiority and entitlement to privilege to behave as he does and effectively short-circuited any empathy we might feel for him. As an aside, this is another thing that pissed me off, among the many things which pissed me off about JKR's double standards: Harry being bullied by his cousin was supposed to make us empathize with him and love him all the more, yet we are supposed to ignore the fact that young Severus was horribly bullied by Harry's father James and his right-hand man Sirius and NOT feel much empathy over that - to in fact view Harry as exceptionally noble because he does. Why? Because as a Slytherin future Death Eater, he deserved it, but innocent Harry didn't? The 'it's OK for bad things to happen to characters I hate but not for the same things to happen to the hero' stance is just infuriating in a saga which clearly wants us to make moral judgements, with little nuance, about the various characters. The sorting is an obvious code for whether a character is a good one (noble Gryffindor, friendly Hufflepuff) or a bad one (evil Slytherin, amoral Ravenclaw), which just isn't a realistic idea. Real people don't come in absolutes and it's an especially ridiculous and damaging idea that someone's character is absolutely set at the age of 11. The words "lives up (or down) to expectations" come to mind. Considering his background, it is probably a miracle Snape *didn't* end up a second Voldemort, and I think it was his vestigial moral compass which kept him from it - he *did* choose another path, and gave his life in doing so.
So Sirius being sorted into Gryffindor may have caused him problems at home, but he found acceptance among his housemates and a fast group of friends whose exploits certainly seem more nasty than brave to me. There's a reason it was easy for others to believe Sirius was the one who betrayed the Potters. Snape, on the other hand, once in school, is sorted into Slytherin, and as might be expected of someone in his circumstances, has few social skills, which invites bullying and makes him a social pariah, seemingly even in his own House (notice that not one Slytherin comes to his defense in the bullying scene we see in the Pensieve). There is no evidence that he uses his magical abilities in a way which hurts other people, though he invents spells to do so to people who hurt him. But even when defending himself, he does little damage. He is obviously a swot, but not someone who is admired for that quality. This means open season as far as the Gryffindors are concerned; it's always 3 or 4 against one, with the advantage of the Marauder's Map as well, so there's little Snape can do to defend himself. None of his teachers, including the headmaster, give enough of a fuck to try to stop it, even when it nearly leads to his death. That climactic Pensieve bullying scene, from the order in which The Prince's Tale is told, comes AFTER the "prank" by Sirius Black, so the aftermath doesn't seem to have made much of an impression on Sirius, does it? And even after he promises Lily that he won't bully Severus anymore after he starts dating her, James continued to do so when he could do it without it getting back to her. And Dumbledore had the nerve to be disgusted by the fact that Snape didn't care what happened to James Potter when he came to beg him to save Lily! There aren't many people who would be saintly enough to care about the welfare of someone who made their childhood a living hell for nine months of the year, for seven straight years. Bullying is evil, no matter who is doing it or how much you might dislike the person on the receiving end.
Sorry for the essay - just had to get that off my chest.😉
@larkmacgregor3143 Oh yes! I apologise for the mix-up on Snape's heritage ( It's been a while since I last read the books). I agree with you on JK's double standards and boxing kids into good and evil: that's simply ridiculous. And also on your point about the Marauders constantly bullying Sirius and how they never really faced repurcussions for it. The only way it was addressed in the books is by Sirius laughing it off and telling Harry that they were just dumb kittle kids, but that doesn't compensate for the emotional torture they put Snape through: that was honestly gross. However, I think there's still more to be said about Snape. I wrote my original post comparing Sirius and Snape as children, but didn't really delve into their characters as adults, which I will now do. What we see of Sirius as an adult is limited apart from him being Harry's supportive godfather and some remarks towards Snape that show that he hasn't quite moved on from his childhood,and continues to view people through a similar lense as he did then. This is emphasized by the fact that Sirius seems to think Harry is his father, James, aswas b4ought up in the Order of the Phoenix. I think it's safe to say that we can't compare the adulthood of both characters to great extent, but it's worth noting Snape's character as a matured adult even if it doesn't directly compare with Sirius's.
1) He continues to bully Harry all throughout the 7 books. While I understand that Harry would've reminded Snape of James, what with his popularity and success in the quidditch pitch, it's absolutely not acceptable for a 30-something year old to abuse a literal child. Snape took revenge on an 11 year old for things that said 11 year old couldn't possibly have been responsible for on any level.
2) Neville's biggest fear in Prisoner of Azkaban was Snape. Note that this is the child who remembers his parents' screams when they were being TORTURED. The fact that his fear of Snape is bigger than hearing those screams again or torture itself tells enough about that point, I think
3) If the Chosen One was Neville instead of Harry, Snape would not have given two shits about the "good side." I think it's safe to assume that Wnape would've continued to be a most loyal Death Eater if Lily hasn't been involved in the crossfire. This makes Snape's entire "redemption arc" useless because he never changed as a person; his obsession with Lily just came into play. You can't argue that Snape decided to "be good" AFTER Lily's death because we see him being a terrible person throughout the books. (Again, note his bullying of the Griffindors)
There's probably more I could say, but I'll stop here as. This IS getting quite long.
Also, I think we can all agree that Dumbledore wasn't the great wizard he was portrayed to be, but rather a selfish , manipulative, terrifying person (He literally raised Harry i the dark that he was to die at the right time to save the world)
My point here is that neither Snape nor Sirus were entirely good or bad, as you rightfully pointed out, but the fandom hating on Snape has less to do with double standards in the fandom and more to do with the choices Snape made (He may have been influenced to make those choices in some ways, but ultimately, he did make them)
I don’t really agree. I feel like the big difference between Snape and serious is that serious got to feel safe at Hogwarts, he had a place to flee his family
Snape was bullied in what should have been a safe place
i was into the marauders fandom in the mid-2010's and naturally drifted away from it/wholly disowned hp/jkr before the new marauders wave even became a thing, and it's been WILD to see what it has become. it's basically unrecognizable, lmao.
i'm pretty sure i read some, if not most, of ATYD as it was still updating and i liked it fine, though i was very surprised to learn how big it'd become through tiktok during the pandemic. since that i've been kind of observing the fandom from afar, since i still hold nostalgia for what it was (as for many chronically online queer kids, i think reading fanfic had a significant part in my development) and also find it an interesting fandom to look at due to its nature as a... self-sufficient fandom?
it's just, as i said, wild. the characterizations (for the characters that had any) are very different now, somehow james potter/regulus black is one of the biggest ships (???), and i have it on pretty good authority that a good portion of the fandom today has never even read the source books (not that i would like for them to). they could just as well be writing about some ocs at this point, lol. in some ways, though i'm not into it anymore, it does make me sad that the fandom and characters i used to know have been buried under these new versions i don't recognize (i feel like a grumpy old man complaining about kids these days, help. and i felt like i was late to the fandom at the time), and i'm definitely in the camp of "it's still under the hp franchise and as such it makes me uncomfortable".
sorry for rambling! the marauders fandom and what happened to it has kinda become my roman empire, as they say. it's exciting to see an analysis video about it! your critiques of the fandom definitely hold true, and not just for the new iteration of it; it has a long history and it's never been without its problems. the aspect of rejecting canon to make the fan faves (the marauders) look better has always been there, though it's definitely increased wrt the tiktok wave. another related thing is the babygirlification of the death eaters, which is. something. although, as you mentioned, the fandom prides itself on its diversity and social justice, they in general don't seem as enthused about exploring the themes any deeper or in more meaningful ways. i too find the iterative fanonization of every part of it just, boring!
the new people entering the fandom seem mostly quite young, so i don't want to be too mean. i hope they're having a good time and get similar things out of it as what i got a decade ago. i watch minecraft videos now as well so, no high horses here lmao
Thing is it’s always evolving. They are basically oc’s shaped by millions of people. As someone who fell in love with the marauders during 2020 and started with all the young dudes I can only imagine the characters like the are now. When read earlier fics it’s wild how different it is. Neither eras of the fandom are better or worse I don’t think. It’s just how different generations have made these characters their own. I think it’s beautiful that so many different people can see themselves in these characters. It’s like the fandom is growing up with us. I’m sure if the world hasn’t ended yet I will feel the same as you when the fandom inevitably dies down and has a resurgence 10 -15 years from now. The marauders is really it’s own thing apart from Harry potter at this point. I mean the second most popular fic after all the young dudes isn’t even set in the wizarding world. (Talking about crimson rivers which I LOVE!) I think it’s amazing that these groups of characters can exist and live in a million different stories and a million different universe written by a million different people. This is how the fandom never really gets stale. There is always something new.
@@Eliot_86i'm glad you're enjoying it! and you're right, with long-going fandoms things are always evolving (though this case is next level lol). if i may ask since i don't really have a chance elsewhere, could you explain how jegulus became a thing? :D it's so out-of-nowhere from my pov since it wasn't even an ATYD thing, and i'd love to understand why it's so popular now!
yoooo thank you! im glad you liked the video-- it really helped me coalesce a lot of my thoughts and feelings on fanon and fandoms with really extensive fanon, something that is obviously a key part of the marauders fandom.
also yes lol i didnt talk about jegulus at all but its actually BIZARRE in so many ways. i thinkkkkk the way that it happened was that it was part of a rare pair fic challenge of some part? or a big bang or other fandom event, and people just liked it so much from that that it became a staple of the fandom lol. that crimson rivers fic is one of the biggest marauders fics (and one of the most read on ao3 as well iirc).
and yeahhh, i definitely had the relative age in mind while making this video -- that's part of why all the examples i showed were sooo anonymized. But at the same time, I think the general trends are both interesting and also present in other fandoms, and worth critically dissecting! (not that i think that you're saying theyre not or anything lol it just was something i thought a lot about during the making of this video)
thanks again!
@@onelius I think Jegulus was more of a joke at first. I myself, even if I don't ship them, found the scenes of Sirius discovering Jegulus funny. But I think the thing that trully mad it that big is the arrival of new fans, especially Drarry fans : there is the ennemies to lovers dynamic and Regulus is kind of a marauder version of Draco (like, I swear sometimes they are the same character : the pretty, rich and tormented guy who become a Deatheater because of his family but intrasically doesn't want to).
The lesbian relationships in the marauders often aren’t the main ship because the main characters the story’s revolves around is the marauders, aka: Sirius, Remus, James, and Peter. They are the main characters so the most popular ship will involve them in some way. Examples: Sirius/Remus James/Lily James/regulus James/sirius/remus James/sirius James/lily/regulus etc (Peter is usually Asexual/Aromantic in fandom so he doesn’t have really any ships.)
hey! just wanted to add my perspective into the mix as someone who HAS consumed a lot of marauders content. i really appreciated this video, the commentary you make is very valid and I agree with a ton of it, especially the bit about the fandom & the activism they pride themselves on. i should also say that although I have had marauders tiktok across my feed etc I am not super involved with the fandom as a collective, but have read quite a few of the major fanfics out there. with the snape thing, i agree with you that especially in fics where the setting takes place as teens at hogwarts, his trauma should not be overlooked. however, it is also (especially in fics that take place with older characters in au's!) important to consider his actions as an adult in canon. the man practically bullied harry for years, and his weird obsession with lily and taking out all of his anger out on an 11 yo are not okay things. (he also bullied neville and called lily a slur and though you could bring up his redemption arc it doesn't really change his actions - and that's not even bringing up the fact he also was a death eater). now, obviously this is not a reason to overlook his trauma. however, especially as an adult, he has faults. i think that a lot of au fics, especially by the immensely popular author bizarrestars (formerly known as zeppazariel- I'm not going to get into the fandoms treatment of them but that's another interesting thing if you want to look into it) but other authors as well do really well is showing characters faults while keeping them still human and complex characters. in bizarrestars 800k fic (haha if you thought atyd was long...) crimson rivers, a hunger game au that is quite possibly my favorite piece of media ever and one i think about daily, snape is shown in his double agent role between (president of the hallow) tom riddle and (resistance leader) dumbledore and his perspective is so interesting to read and while not my favorite character, still a very well characterised and thought out one.
as for the ethics of the fandom, that is something i have debated with myself a lot. i think that like every fandom, there are sides to it that i think are really positive and sides that i think arent so good. i think you covered the negative ones really well, but i do think there are positive sides out there. one thing that i would encourage you check out is the rise of the order, which is a group of marauders fans currently making a fan film. this will be free and not for profit, and i just think that they are a great example of people making some content within the universe that so many people love without benefitting jk rowling.
if i think of more things to add i might, this was kind of a random tangent that didn't totally relate to your video so I'm sorry for that haha! i really did appreciate your commentary!
hmm yeah my point was less to defend snape (obviously he does bad things in canon) and more to point out that its a weird choice to basically NEVER mention that in analysis of the character and to almost ALWAYS mention it in analysis of another character when its not even canon. its less that people aren't right to criticize snape, and more that its frustrating to see people (in many different fandoms and many different places in life) demonstrate that they are incapable of analysis incorporating any nuance and instead flatten the issue to "characters i like are always victims (which can explain any of their wrongdoings) whereas characters i don't like are always aggressors and never have had anything bad happen to them." and this goes not just for fic but for popular discussion and portrayal of the characters in any kind of fan content.
and in terms of the positives of the fandom, honestly much of what i see is the same as any fandom -- people finding a sense of belonging, finding outlets for creativity -- obviously these are wonderful i just find them less interesting! this wasn't really meant to be a full exploration of the fandom in total, but more of a moral and ethical consideration of a fandom that's at the crossroads of a lot of really thorny ethical issues!
thanks for watching, hope that all made sense!
@@theunreliablenarratorshow interesting, i appreciate your response! i fully agree with you on the frustrating-ness on not including complexity/nuance in characters, and I think rereading my original comment I did not get my point across which is while though those are my problems with the fandom in its entirety, especially on social media platforms which is why I don't participate there, I think that the most popular of the fanfics such as the ones by bizarrestars, actually do a really good job of highlighting the nuances of ALL characters, including snape. my point to commenting was just offering the other side, but I do not disagree with you!! !! !! !! (please hear me)!! !! this is a conversation i have had with myself many time- these characters are so incredibly important to me but i do not agree with jkr or really most of the hp fandom in general and for those reasons do kinda wish the universe' appeal would just die out. however, i think that marauders fics do a good job of branching from it. its interesting to me because most of my favorite fics are just these characters that mean so much to me but literally do not have anything to do with the premise of harry potter, and if someone who had never watched or interacted with that universe i believe they could enjoy it as the masterpiece it is, which is kind of where I'm at with the fandom myself and whether i really want to participate or not. hopefully this makes sense, i am just voicing my on the fenceness more than anything else I'm sorry my words aren't more academic!
an example of the fics im kind of talking about is art heist, baby! by otrtbs which you might have to be signed in to view. genuinely changed my life and wrecked me.
this is also unrelated but more to your video, if you want to check out a really good canon compliant sapphic centered fic, the hand that feeds by rollercoasterwords is an incredible one.
(ps I am not a fan of atyd!! it was my introduction to the fandom and i have read it, but i find there to be a lot of issues in it. just wanted to put that out there)
@@theunreliablenarratorshowi also understand if it’s not everyone’s cup of tea! just wanted to showcase some aspects you didn’t cover
"I would just prefer that we not lie about it to make ourselves feel better about something that other people think is cringe" & "When you elevate fandom to the same level as activism, you treat every misstep as a much more serious issue than it has to be" both very good points love the way you talk about fandom
Also I just so detest the habit of fanon overwhelming canon I'm glad you talked about the ways it can create issues of interpretation and is just shitty at times
YIPPEE yeah im happy with those lines i think they got across what i was trying to say without being tooooo dense and academic although i cannot say the same for the video as a whole alksjdfkl
I agree as I see it quite a lot in many other fandoms. Especially in the younger audience of a fandom of a show that was not made for them at all. So many of the things I see being treated as “canon” are actually fanon and whenever there is a disagreement between people because one or both sides are arguing with fanon interpretations and treating it as canon is so disheartening and very disappointing (I feel like an adult watching their kids argue about their favorite toys when I say this and see it) because the fight is just ultimately pointless.
Edit: Whenever I see a fanon interpretation go viral, I often find that it misses the mark/point of why and how the character came to be. Making them so one-dimensional rather than accepting the nuances that already exist in the character. It’s like butchering the character into bits and taking the parts you like and putting it together like a deformed plush.
Girl in the middle you just started to speak in Portuguese (Boa sorte para aprender português)…..honestly from my point of view as an old marauders fan I was a fan of everything around it: the og fan cast and the REAL stuff they did. The 70s vibe, the lore people were creating with their creativity was phenomenal and giving a new life to the fandom of hp. It has gone way beyond me and I’ve outgrown it however it’s real fun to see how far it has gone and how people turned it into jk Rowling biggest nightmare (which very well done) this is a slap in the face for her and I love it
Also is there any marauders fanfic that Jackson want throws a party?
Hahaha obrigada pela sorte!! And you know, I haven't seen any Jackson Wang cameos but I would not be too surprised!
I hate the way marauders fans hate Snape. He's meant to be a morally grey character and the marauders fans can't handle that, they go with the atyd view of him which is not cannon, basically him and remus' background were switched and so people think snape is someone with no background. not saying his background is grounds for defense of his treatment of some of his students, its not but it explains a lot of what he does, bad and good. its important to his character that he was abused and came from an unloving household and its equally as important that he was hard core bullied by the marauders. They like the marauders even though they sexually harass snape and try to kill him and almost end up succeeding but cry when their told their beloved characters are the reason snape is such an asshole at times/ most of the times we see him on screen.....like if I were to say im a snape fan to a marauders fan I would be lectured and made fun of which is rich coming from them....
Yes ! I like atyd (like really really) but the way the marauders are acting is still not ok in the canon
You can write, read work on not perfect characters, on grey characters because it can be really great but why the need to just refuse the canon version so much that you go angry and all about other people liking other characters like ?
@@user-gm7sl2rg8h literally omg u get it bless😭🙏
Not to be a buzz kill... but there's a reason Lily married James instead of Snape... like, yes, both the marauders and Snape were not v good guys. But! 1 Snape called Lily a slur
2 Snape joined the basically wizard n4zis
3 James grew up and became a responsible adult Lily fell in love with while Snape stayed in his Nice Guy mentality
4 the ONLY reason Snape defected from Voldy is not because he suddenly realised that killing people for something they have no choice over, but instead because he realised Voldy was going to kill the woman he still had a crush on. At least 4 years after she firmly rejected him.
5 he had no problem with Voldy killing James and Harry, an innocent baby, Lily was where he drew the line. If Voldy had chosen to kill the Longbottoms instead Snape would have stayed right by his side
6 for the 17 years after Lily's death that he still got to live he didn't get over his crush and bullied children.
Resulting in: this is not a morally grey character, this is a nice guy who joined a group of extremists because the woman he liked didn't like him back and he only "redeemed himself" by doing what his boss told him, his boss who was the only person keeping him out of prison for joining the group of extremists. The marauders fandom isn't cruel to Snape, they are disillusioned with the idea of him being secretly a good guy just because he wasn't as evil as previously believed
The Marauders is part of Harry Potter so its still HP Fandom. :)
Technically yes, but factually most marauders hate the author for good reason. I mean... the fandom tries to make as much as possible gay (Dorcas Meadows and Marlene McKinnon, Wolfstar, Jegulus) for the purpose of spiting JKR
I don’t like when fans start treating headcanons as canons. Blurring the lines by bringing up something in canon alongside something that is purely fan interpretation is confusing, but when you go out of your way to chew out people who don’t follow your fan canon of events? That’s where a line should be drawn and I wish more fans realise that not everyone will know about their niche fan canon and not everyone will accept it, and that’s fine.
To be honest not all the fans are that extreme. The Marauders fandom is more like a vibe. It is a concept that everyone has there different opinion on. But I mean, it is fun. It is basically Harry Potter with more diversity. Though, I think if you enjoy the Marauders it is likely you enjoy other queer shows as well.
Honey, we don’t like Jkr, we made her characters gay and trans 😭👍 11:25
I am a marauder fan since PoA was released - I have fanfictions I wrote at 12yo on my computer (2003). I had a pause between 2008 and 2021 when I did not actively read or write fanfictions. I was very happy to find new good content but I really notice that a lot of authors never read the books ^^° At one point I read a discussion why Remus didn't had any visible scars in a fanfiction. Because there WERE NON IN THE BOOKS! I don't care that much about those minor details but as I was a potterhead I am aware of the source material. I mostly avoid Jegulus (with very few exceptions), because it doesn't make sense for me. Probably they never even TALKED.
But HP fandom is a safe place for me. I got back into it when I was very down and overwhelmed by real life. Femslash is quite seldom because the big fandoms don't have that many fleshed out female characters you can work with. Especially in Harry Potter I can think of very few lesbian couples that would make sense for me. It's more effort to make them believable. But I read a good fanfiction on Madame Hooch and McGonnagal once.
In Star Trek it's different ;)
Fanfictions are a playground - yes. They help you with a world and some characters to start your own story. Especially in HP there are so many plotholes that your can really play with different storylines and character arcs. There is an essay about why wolfstar is so loved. It's because your can play with it. How did the two characters from so different backgrounds (and the Blacks HATED "half-humans") together? How did the marauders work as a group? How did it change when Sirius made his cruel jokes on Snape? And why and how did he? Why did he move to James at 16? How did the relationships between all marauders get so messed up that they lost their trust in each other during the war? Or you start after prison and explore trauma and loss. There are some background characters that are not that flashed out you really can rewrite and make your own.
I also like character studies in AUs if they are well made.
Sometimes I feel like the Marauders fandom could go even further in separating their fandom from JK Rowling's work by renaming the characters and everything else connected to Harry Potter and just fully turning the characters into OCs. Like the deoncelerization thing that happened to a lot of characters from Onceler roleplays once that fandom started dying down. A bit of a weird example but it's one of the only things I could think of other than SML after getting copyrighted by Nintendo, and I don't know which of those examples is weirder. But I think it's a good idea, less association with TERFs and more freedom of what to do with the characters, in a kind of Goncharov-like way. And I say this as a member of a small but also HP-adjacent fandom (the A Very Potter Musical fandom), which is a lot less reliant on fanon because we have three whole musicals to work off of, but is also, as a parody, already very different from Harry Potter. Still very connected to the Harry Potter francise, though, and I get sad when I remember that.
that's a really interesting idea! I don't think I've ever heard of anything quite like that happening before, but I agree that it would be really cool to see!
Who is going to read some loser's OC stuff? All those thousands of kudos on big maradeur works simply won't happen with originals lol
@@KOTEBANAROT They could use keys for the names like chatfics do. The process would take time, it wouldn't be instant. And all the characters would still be like the character they're based on. Also people who make OCs are not losers.
Sorry but "Deoncelerization" is the funniest thing I have heard all week
Love this video just one little thing: Sirius escaped in the 3rd book: prisoner of Azkaban. And also JKR is not just disliked, our whole fandom actually hates her because most of us are gay/trans/neurodivergent. The only character that is hated as much as JKR is Dumbledor. And i can understand why you had this view on Harry Potter and also from my experience many fans mean little to no representation in the Harry Potter books but there are definitely different boooks. The Snapae issue is true. I myself identify as marauders fan and i dont like Snape but i dont hate him i just have different preferencies and i also dont really like how he is treated. But oterwise its a good video for someone who didnt read the fanfics and its not really their thing.
why is Dumbledore hated in the marauders fandom? I'm curious because he's my favourite character along with Sirius in the 7 canon books.
Well for me for example my favorite character is Regulus and many of us think that all these characters died because of dumbledore. He was really powerful wizard and he knew many things and could prevent almost every death and we are just pissed at him that he used literal children in war that he caused. He knew Tom was evil and dangerous and he did nothing to prevent him from becoming this evil dark wizard. But I understand that if you only read boooks where he is literally worshiped by Harry and it’s from his point of view that you like him but for many of us he manipulated and caused deaths to our favorite and comfort characters.
can i just say that there’s some fics longer than the bible…
15:46 yes we are incredibly toxic
Such a good deep dive. A very well spoken video. I subscribed!
Thank you so much!
I got in to the Marauders fandom in 2013, so by 2020 I was passed it and wasn't even reading fanfiction. Its crazy to hear how the Marauders fandom "started" in 2020 on tiktok when I imagine the majority of us have actually been knocking around for a decade at this point?
I was writing marauder fan fiction way back in 2005 and I was far from the only one. It’s far far older than she thinks.
hi, as I mentioned in the video, I'm aware that marauders fans have been around for a long time! I am talking about the viral TikTok phenomenon of the marauders fandom, particularly as a fandom that defines itself as almost completely separate from and in full opposition to basically every other aspect of Harry Potter. Apologies if that wasn't completely clear in the video - there's a lot I couldn't get to if I didn't want the video to be hours long lol
@theunreliablenarratorshow hi! I thought it was clear - I just think that the Marauders fandom has completely evolved over the years in to what it is now! Would love to see a longer video on the evolution of the Marauders fandom, as I bet you can split it up into eras (early days, Tumblr era where the fan casts of Ben Barnes, Andrew garfield and Aaron Taylor Johnson started, ATYD, the fall out of the tik tok boom, and where we are now).
Not many fandoms have such distinct eras I think! X
In the 90s a lot of anime and manga fandom was based on fanon rather than canon, the reason being that large parts of the canon were not (officially) available to Western (esp US) readers.
It's interesting to see a similar development in a fandom where the canon is officially, but not "morally" available with people who consume fanon actively boycotting the canon.
Another difference between let's say the Ranma 1/2 fandom in the 90s and the Marauders fandom is that the Ranma 1/2 fanon characterizations were based on what was essentially a game of telephone involving countless fantranslations, hearsay about supposed canon developments and countless fanfictions, whereas the Matauders fandom seems to be largely based on a single source which is something I haven't seen before.
oh that's so interesting! i've vaguely heard of stuff like that with manga/anime because of the lack of translations but as someone who's never been hugely into it i only have a passing understanding. and yeah the single source thing is wild! i've pretty often been in fandoms where there's been one fic that was so popular it was considered "basically canon," but it's a whole other can of worms when there basically IS NO CANON to go off of at all! thanks for watching!
People always say that they think the marauders fandom is so welcoming since its all headcannons. That is until you dont think the death eaters should be babied and is characterized until there nothing more then softy uwu gay trans boy, covered in tats gay with dyed hair, and blonde top pandoras twin who didnt deserve to die. Or that you think that jilly is better than jegulus since jegulus is incest,james would hate and bully regulus, and it states very clearly in the books how james only had his eyes on lilly. And they also for some strange reason think regulus got beat and abused more than sirius. But sirius was the trouble kid who stood up for himself and others. While regulus followed the family rules and adored voldumort. They also for some reason think that eegulus was forced into being a death eater. But thats just simply not true. His parents werent even death eaters,so why would they force him into it??? And when its a sirius black angst vid,all people yap about is how sorry they are for regulus! Byw if you cant tell regulus is my least fav marauder for various reasons. They also narrow Sirius down to being dumn and weak even though he is probs the second smartes marauder and litteraly solved his friends murder in less then a week plus is proven to be the strongest marauder, they make james a softy who would never hurt a fly even though he can and will if you are mean to his friends or even just a random person. They make remus to just be a gay wherewolf with anger issues and they honestly just totally forgot about peter and how he used to be kind.
If you think marauders fans are what’s keeping Harry Potter fandom alive then you are woefully misguided. Hogwarts Legacy literally was game of the year
lol yeah I mean the title could be considered a bit hyperbolic, but I never said it was the only thing keeping it alive!
Subscribed for the Portuguese
as an mc fan and a marauders fan this is fun
Your "mal" is really great portuguese! (I'm brazilian)
obrigada!! ♥️
What I a big marauders fan. There I said it.
JK Rowling didn’t say anything wrong. She gets unfair bashed for no reason
please don't watch my videos if you are transphobic
Seperate the art from the author
i would often agree with you, however in this case the author uses the continued popularity of her work to aid and abet her desire to hurt trans people. that is why i talked about ethical considerations surrounding augmenting the cultural relevancy of harry potter. i don't necessarily thing that people are "doing something wrong" by participating in this fandom, but i also don't think its as clear-cut as simply saying "separate the art from the artist" and leaving it at that.
Exploring trans people like they did with Marvel or Pirates of the Caribbean is racist and bigoted. Because they exploit it for money just to spread the message, but we dont want to be spoonfed woke ideals or transgender characters in fiction like in Marvel. We deserve entertainment and faithfulness to the comics or books like Harry Potter.
@@theunreliablenarratorshowit’s also not as clear cut as we shouldn’t participate because of her. The world she created spiraled out of her hands while the books were still being written. It’s why so many simply don’t care about her dumb comments, including many of us trans people. It’s been at least 20 years of fans running away with this concept and it has far outgrown her. Nor will not buying things involving her make her any less rich than she is.