Le Diabolique ...we didn't give a shit about that in 1978 ...it was " them " that gave us and the music a label ....we just wanted excitement and change
Definitely punk, here. The Ideal For Killing boot lp is even more raw. They met up at a SexPistols show and formed a punk band. Yes, they evolved into something far beyond but JD was a punk band, too. That Became post punk and that was more a result of the album's production because the live and non album demos are raw and loosr. I swear their fans are more pretentious and protective of them them than the band themselves ever were. .
Got the original 12 inch of this. Still in mint condition. What a musical education. Still gives me goosebumps. Saw them live twice as well. Best band ever.
This EP is a terrible recording and far from their “finest” work. At this point in their career they had no idea that they would go on to make songs such as Dead Souls, Shadow play, She’s lost Control, Means to an End, Transmission and two of the most influential albums of all time. Their finest work was yet to come.
I think this recording is closer to what the band wanted to sound like on record. I vaguely remember an interview with Peter hook where he says that the band weren’t keen on Martin Hannetts production on unknown pleasures, they wanted a more raw punky sound like their live shows. He joked that Joy Division were the only four people in the country that didn’t like the album
@@timtyler8822 I have seen Peter Hook say the same thing in interviews. However, and while the band may not have liked Hennett's productions. There isn't really much of an argument against Hannett's productions being a massive influence to the long term success of Joy Division. Yes, his influence and sound may not have been what the band wanted but it was most certainly what they needed. In the same vein there is a similar story about DEVO, who are my favourite band. In the years that followed Are We Not, certain members of the band have gone on record as saying that they weren't happy with Eno's production of Are We Men. However, as a DEVO fan, I have no interest in hearing anything different to what Eno produced. This is because it was that album and its production that totally sold me on DEVO. The problem with most bands is that they are far too close to their own songs, some of which they will have been gigging for a number of years, especially for a first album. So when a producer comes onboard, it can be really difficult for a band to hear their songs in a different way. Anyway, each to their own and while I like some of the early Joy Division songs, I'm personally not a huge fan of their recordings or production before Hannett. However, as far as I'm concerned, both Unknown Pleasures and Closer have more than stood the test of time and will carry on doing so. For me personally, Joy Division wrote some of the best songs ever and Martin Hannett delivered them with a production that was equal to the song writing. In short, a marriage made in Manchester (Heaven 😆).
And if anyone has seen the film 'Control" you should remember the scene as Curtis is walking down the street to the unemployment office where he works and Leaders of Men comes on the soundtrack then as the camera pans back he has HATE painted on the back of his coat ! Goosebump time !!
Check out the Joy Division 'Peel Sessions' if you want to hear what they sounded like Live [with no crowd noise] no wonder they were always pisst off with Martin Zero Hannett, the band wanted to capture the raw energy on record, but Hannett saw the beauty & more, he was proved right at the end (they do have some great gigs recorded)
@@SlimyboyDave thx dude, however, everything that kept me going was nature and (wild) animals around my place, but bulldozers and ugly greedy humans smashed and killed all that, so i really have problems to find any new motivator, since i lost faith in said ugly greedy humans a long time ago... i am aware that still there are some souls on this planet that could be my soulmates, but it became increasingly more difficult to find them, especially here at 'home'... where to go???? how to escape... thank you and know that your energy helped a bit, stay beautiful...
Let's face the fact: if the clock starts in the late 70s, Joy Division with merely two albums and some singles is the greatest rock n roll band in the world: and I'll rest the claim on merely two shows, Paris 1979, and Amsterdam 1980. "I put my TRUST in you ..."
Deffo 1 of the best along with The Falls Bingo EP, and The Smiths William EP, Ride's First EP, and Marillion Market Square EP. Most people under 30 won't even know what an EP is these days lol 😉
Well just heard it on my headphones, sounds tototaly different from my 7inch from 78,not heard one of the songs since probably 1980.but today my 16 year old daughter played it on her soundbox.i didn't khow how much it was worth. Good job my kids listen to punk and not just pop punk.
@@waycnf7229 It was rubbish by todays standards but it was one of 3 that came to the UK in the early 70's. Plastic, pinky/purple and fast. It got run over by a car and split in 2, my Dad got 2 strips of steel and made it a one off!!
Oh I bet there's a good bit still.. Wire? Magazine and early post Deveto Buzzers? Early Cure? Lots of sub genres there my man, I got back into Thrash Metal, as you do, since the 80s when I was a kid and there was a revival of young bands a few years back, so many different new bands and genres, all these kids from different countries, different levels of skill, style what have you.. All just under Thrash - I bet there are are some decent new bands - the old record selling model is more, give albums away free and if you dig the band go to the gigs, buy the albums, buy the t-shirts.. Of course choosing a record just on its art or cover songs or word of mouth was fun, but had plenty drawbacks too. I like the internet model myself as a Gen X'er for whatever thats worth. Mettallica trying to stop all that and piracy lol.
Brought here by Steve Morris’ memoir which is a droll delight. Definitely sounds a lot more amazing than he remembered it. The story of bad luck behind this record are fantastic - defo worth a read if you haven’t.
Really hard to pick which song is the best/fav and what a way to showcase who the fuck you are and what your art is about.. fucking brilliant album and what a way to jumpstart a career into the history books Warsaw/joy division made there mark on music there way and still hasn’t been replicated..
Barnards Loop (the uploader) has put above that 1. Warsaw - 2:26, meaning the song duration is 2 mins 26 secs, then under that song 2 starts at (2:23) LOL
Was originally released on 7 inch but the sound quality was terrible. Was re-released on 12 inch opening up the vinyl grooves. The sleeve was of scaffolding and in colour. This is before Martin hannett. Saw them 3 times. Wish it was more.
Although JD isn't typically considered a "hard-core" punk act, I'd put this E.P. of theirs up against any album by any band declared to be so and judge it to be at least as aggressive, raw and in-your-face as anything by Black Flag, Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, et. al. -- Henry Rollins, for one, I know, would agree!!
@@snuscaboose1942black flag are too scene Joy division just IS and cannot be described I think they are far unique and complex and original then all punk bands
ive still got original on 12" & WARSAAW bootleg..!I treasure em alongside BUZZCOCKS Spiral with Howard Devoto..Love em all but more importanly its the Music!!
oh yes. After all, the decision to start a band was taken by Hook and Sumner after attending a Sex Pistols' gig and Ian Curtis was a huge fan of Iggy Pop. So, yes, there was a lot of punk in Joy Division.
The thing is punk died of exposure but some of us carried on, dragging the lifeless corpse around telling people " OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE "
@@disklamer As a happy ex punk, I curse punk rock and it's Tavistock inspired mind control. Didn't you ever pay attention to the cash from chaos slogan? They meant what they said.
@@HermanWaldorf lots of bands came out of that gig Ian curtis, morrisey, Siouxsie Sioux, I’m pretty sure Peter Murphy? We’re all there. Either way that Sex Pistols show gave us some unique bands
Reminds me of Static Age by The Misfits also recorded 78/79. Listen to album Legacy of Brutality released 1985 of Static Age era. Btw, I'd have that piece of music history in a dust-jacket, in a case, in a clean-room,......not only because it's worth a small fortune! ;-)
The tragic irony of being a depressed entertainer, everybody is having fun while all you have is pain.
Such is life.
Foreeveryoung.is a disease
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The song Shadowplay from their first album is about this
He chose it.
Everything about this is epic - don't care whether it's punk or post-punk or whatever, it's just magnificent.
Le Diabolique ...we didn't give a shit about that in 1978 ...it was
" them " that gave us and the music a label ....we just wanted excitement and change
@@AliZum1 00й00
Definitely punk, here. The Ideal For Killing boot lp is even more raw. They met up at a SexPistols show and formed a punk band. Yes, they evolved into something far beyond but JD was a punk band, too. That Became post punk and that was more a result of the album's production because the live and non album demos are raw and loosr.
I swear their fans are more pretentious and protective of them them than the band themselves ever were. .
Psshhh *not caring about masturbatory sub genre labels* oh so I guess you’re just too cool is that it?
@@clydeg4274 Yes.
Got the original 12 inch of this. Still in mint condition. What a musical education. Still gives me goosebumps. Saw them live twice as well. Best band ever.
Take care of it, their worth over 2 grand now
Gary Shaw that's pretty fucking pricey btw...
@@barnesheasman6710 are you sure?
@@barnesheasman6710 think I flogged it for a fiver when I was desperate for cash. Oh dear...
Gary Shaw that’s amazing that you got to see them live
So raw so real
Well said
The greatest EP I have ever heard and their finest work - a no brainer in my book
This EP is a terrible recording and far from their “finest” work. At this point in their career they had no idea that they would go on to make songs such as Dead Souls, Shadow play, She’s lost Control, Means to an End, Transmission and two of the most influential albums of all time. Their finest work was yet to come.
@DavidHarry nah Chris is right.
@@dodibenabba525 Each to their own.
I think this recording is closer to what the band wanted to sound like on record. I vaguely remember an interview with Peter hook where he says that the band weren’t keen on Martin Hannetts production on unknown pleasures, they wanted a more raw punky sound like their live shows. He joked that Joy Division were the only four people in the country that didn’t like the album
@@timtyler8822 I have seen Peter Hook say the same thing in interviews. However, and while the band may not have liked Hennett's productions. There isn't really much of an argument against Hannett's productions being a massive influence to the long term success of Joy Division. Yes, his influence and sound may not have been what the band wanted but it was most certainly what they needed. In the same vein there is a similar story about DEVO, who are my favourite band. In the years that followed Are We Not, certain members of the band have gone on record as saying that they weren't happy with Eno's production of Are We Men. However, as a DEVO fan, I have no interest in hearing anything different to what Eno produced. This is because it was that album and its production that totally sold me on DEVO. The problem with most bands is that they are far too close to their own songs, some of which they will have been gigging for a number of years, especially for a first album. So when a producer comes onboard, it can be really difficult for a band to hear their songs in a different way. Anyway, each to their own and while I like some of the early Joy Division songs, I'm personally not a huge fan of their recordings or production before Hannett. However, as far as I'm concerned, both Unknown Pleasures and Closer have more than stood the test of time and will carry on doing so. For me personally, Joy Division wrote some of the best songs ever and Martin Hannett delivered them with a production that was equal to the song writing. In short, a marriage made in Manchester (Heaven 😆).
This was the only record where they successfully captured their live sound. EPIC !!
And if anyone has seen the film 'Control" you should remember the scene as Curtis is walking down the street to the unemployment office where he works and Leaders of Men comes on the soundtrack then as the camera pans back he has HATE painted on the back of his coat ! Goosebump time !!
@@frflinstone no love lost not leaders of men
Check out the Joy Division 'Peel Sessions' if you want to hear what they sounded like Live [with no crowd noise] no wonder they were always pisst off with Martin Zero Hannett, the band wanted to capture the raw energy on record, but Hannett saw the beauty & more, he was proved right at the end (they do have some great gigs recorded)
You must be joking mate
Today marks 41 years since Ian Curtis departed this Earth. MAY HIS BEAUTIFUL SOUL FOREVER R.I.PARADISE!
today marks 43 years that i am on this world and i really hope it wont last much longer
@@seekter-kafa Hang in there. Life is beautiful under all this ugliness. I send positive vibrations to you! 🍀
@@SlimyboyDave thx dude, however, everything that kept me going was nature and (wild) animals around my place, but bulldozers and ugly greedy humans smashed and killed all that, so i really have problems to find any new motivator, since i lost faith in said ugly greedy humans a long time ago... i am aware that still there are some souls on this planet that could be my soulmates, but it became increasingly more difficult to find them, especially here at 'home'... where to go???? how to escape... thank you and know that your energy helped a bit, stay beautiful...
@@seekter-kafa don't forget it's still the jungle... all covered by concrete but still the jungle. It should help to keep on your 3D jungle glasses..
@@seekter-kafa Be sensitive and suffer or be senseless and soulless, we all feel it. “Nothing will hold, nothing will fit....”
Absolute masterpiece!
Warsaw - 0:00
No Love Lost - 3:43
Leaders Of Men - 6:05
Failures ( Of The Modern Man ) - 8:38
they really were something else.
40 years on still here, timeless!
I can't decide which song I love most
Same
Martin Hyizna no love lost, spoken word is intense.
I absolutely love leaders of men.
Brother?
It’s a bootleg never came out on 12inch
this is Joy Division ..aka 'WARSAW` as was..just sublime..Ian Curtis is a legend! thanks for your haunting voice & dancing..big insperation to me..
If this is not the greatest EP of all time then I don't know what is
You’ve obviously never heard of ‘Spiral Scratch’ by Buzzcocks😬
@daveh5986 yeah that's a great ep as well 👌
Golden years Motorhead
Let's face the fact: if the clock starts in the late 70s, Joy Division with merely two albums and some singles is the greatest rock n roll band in the world: and I'll rest the claim on merely two shows, Paris 1979, and Amsterdam 1980. "I put my TRUST in you ..."
The Sex Pistols have one and are in the RRHOF where Joy Division should be in hopefully '26.
I dig your style 🫵🏼🤙🏼🎸
yr comment made me laugh but you're right, these rock animals they are The Who, The Kinks and The Stones in 1964 times ten.
Best EP in Rock History
IAN just nails the vocals pretty badass
Buzzcocks fantastique
Joy Division mortel
Perfect!!!...
No, You Made Me Realise is.
Deffo 1 of the best along with The Falls Bingo EP, and The Smiths William EP, Ride's First EP, and Marillion Market Square EP. Most people under 30 won't even know what an EP is these days lol 😉
A new world awaits!
I wish I could have seen them live😔 such an amazing band
Leaders of men... just..... raw
sunx prasak on point song
Can I just say how boss that cover is, reminds me of the good old days as a boy!
oi hahahaahaha
@goodnightvienna8511 😂
Well just heard it on my headphones, sounds tototaly different from my 7inch from 78,not heard one of the songs since probably 1980.but today my 16 year old daughter played it on her soundbox.i didn't khow how much it was worth. Good job my kids listen to punk and not just pop punk.
this is true joy division!cant beat this..great on vinyl!!
Unless you can afford the original press if the 7” 😂
Saw them in 1979..they backed the Buzzcocks!
I'm so obsessed!
Favorite. Band. Ever.
Wonderfull songs!!!!!!!.
Killer, every track!
Just great music that paved the way
I absolutely adore Warsaw
No había escuchado está banda me emociona y revoluciona emocionalmente es excitante ahora desde hoy soy fan de joy división
Es la misma agrupacion. Estos son sus inicios. Acababan de cambiar su nombre a Joy Division, antes Warsaw, antes Stiff Kittens.
2024 Joe Division - sounds great 46 years later !!!
timeless wow!
Excellent
El mejor EP de la Historia 🖤
Mille merci à vous pour se partage de morceaux exceptionnel 🦧🎇🔞 Toujours en place 😅
a 7" of this from 1978 just sold for nearly $2,000 on discogs :X :X :X
F_(€!@!!!! I swapped my copy for a skateboard!
@@giulioluzzardi7632 Damn, at least I hope it was a good skateboard
@@waycnf7229 It was rubbish by todays standards but it was one of 3 that came to the UK in the early 70's. Plastic, pinky/purple and fast. It got run over by a car and split in 2, my Dad got 2 strips of steel and made it a one off!!
Part time punks will pay mental prices for 70's vinyl...while people sleep in dustbins under thier lux appartments...irony.
@@giulioluzzardi7632 You could write a song about that and be famous in 40 years :|
Woo! CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC ROCK 'N ROLL!
Joy Division's punk stuff has been the only punk I've been able to get into from the late 70s-mid 80s
Oh I bet there's a good bit still.. Wire? Magazine and early post Deveto Buzzers? Early Cure?
Lots of sub genres there my man, I got back into Thrash Metal, as you do, since the 80s when I was a kid and there was a revival of young bands a few years back, so many different new bands and genres, all these kids from different countries, different levels of skill, style what have you.. All just under Thrash - I bet there are are some decent new bands - the old record selling model is more, give albums away free and if you dig the band go to the gigs, buy the albums, buy the t-shirts.. Of course choosing a record just on its art or cover songs or word of mouth was fun, but had plenty drawbacks too. I like the internet model myself as a Gen X'er for whatever thats worth. Mettallica trying to stop all that and piracy lol.
SPIRAL SCRATCH EP ? dx
British punk? Conflict,gbh,discharge etc.....
have you listened to the fall? if not i suggest live at the witch trials
Bad religion 80-85?
Brought here by Steve Morris’ memoir which is a droll delight. Definitely sounds a lot more amazing than he remembered it. The story of bad luck behind this record are fantastic - defo worth a read if you haven’t.
I have to check that out. I'm listening to Hooky's and it's a laugh riot. As others have pointed out, the 7" version sounded pretty bad.
Excelente!
Excellent great ep
Really hard to pick which song is the best/fav and what a way to showcase who the fuck you are and what your art is about.. fucking brilliant album and what a way to jumpstart a career into the history books Warsaw/joy division made there mark on music there way and still hasn’t been replicated..
Mande a promisse for a New Life! Joy division is number one of cold wave.
Super!
I remember hearing leaders of men in the sci fi comedy show special unit 2 and tripped out. I loved that they used this song. So rad.
LOVE this!!!
Warsaw is my fav song by them
This EP needs more ears
more tears
A bit of Damned, a bit of Stooges etc. I like it.
and a touch of National Socialism
Perfect!
RESPECT!!
Total intensity
Super.
Somehow this sounds familiar even though I've never listened to this.
Because if you like rock music these guys influenced everyone from oasis to nirvana to the killers ext ext ext ext
Underrated band big time
It was released in 1978 but it's been brewing in the collective unconscious since 1937.
@@systemHEALER lmfao i like that !
The best tunes are the ones that promote deja-vu'.
The soul screams for likeness, I suppose.
Joyita... !!
La verdad que sí
Classic!
Curtis sounds like Dave Vanian of The Damned on these recordings but either way they are great stuff on the whole.
Barnards Loop (the uploader) has put above that 1. Warsaw - 2:26, meaning the song duration is 2 mins 26 secs, then under that song 2 starts at (2:23) LOL
I KNOW
Alright smart ass
@@turnitofftv3524 good to see youre still here at least lmao
I'm amazed of how RCA Session of Warsaw is shit beside this master gem!!!
its music poetry that reflected the time!
This music is objectively exciting.
Barney's off the cuff guitar playing on failures is fucking astounding
Was originally released on 7 inch but the sound quality was terrible. Was re-released on 12 inch opening up the vinyl grooves. The sleeve was of scaffolding and in colour.
This is before Martin hannett.
Saw them 3 times. Wish it was more.
Raw energy and magic ❤
Brought here from Abigail Devoe's Vinyl Monday. Thanks for another gem Abby!
FUCKING GREAT REAL MUSIC FUCKKK!!!! CANT STOP DANCING!!!!
🚨🚨🚨💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻Bomb ever .... Joy Division
RIP31G
Fucking great EP!
What a band.... So many great songs
Some good shit here!
this ep >>>>>>>>>
Just pure joy this ep!! i got original from my older brother & spiral scratch ep..happy days??
Lucky you, need a Brother too
Pretty amazing they went from this to Closer in just a couple years
exactly why
Wow.
God tier voice God tier band
Although JD isn't typically considered a "hard-core" punk act, I'd put this E.P. of theirs up against any album by any band declared to be so and judge it to be at least as aggressive, raw and in-your-face as anything by Black Flag, Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, et. al. -- Henry Rollins, for one, I know, would agree!!
while this is great, its not nearly as heavy as black flag
@@meltedusb7533 It's heavier because it has soul.
@@snuscaboose1942black flag are too scene
Joy division just IS and cannot be described
I think they are far unique and complex and original then all punk bands
@@leftfield5914 Black Flag prior to that toser Henry Rollins were good. Though not JD quality.
@@snuscaboose1942 henry Rollins is one of the most overated figures in music the definition of a glorified nobody
Epic!!
ive still got original on 12" & WARSAAW bootleg..!I treasure em alongside BUZZCOCKS Spiral with Howard Devoto..Love em all but more importanly its the Music!!
So I didn't know joy division were a punk band before a post-punk band
Wait until you hear their pre-punk phase before they were punk!
oh yes. After all, the decision to start a band was taken by Hook and Sumner after attending a Sex Pistols' gig and Ian Curtis was a huge fan of Iggy Pop. So, yes, there was a lot of punk in Joy Division.
The thing is punk died of exposure but some of us carried on, dragging the lifeless corpse around telling people " OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE "
@@disklamer As a happy ex punk, I curse punk rock and it's Tavistock inspired mind control. Didn't you ever pay attention to the cash from chaos slogan? They meant what they said.
@@HermanWaldorf lots of bands came out of that gig Ian curtis, morrisey, Siouxsie Sioux, I’m pretty sure Peter Murphy? We’re all there. Either way that Sex Pistols show gave us some unique bands
real coool music
no love lost would be hard to nail . these guys are way too gnarly. few 45s have the impact this one does.
Warsaw サイキック青年団のジングルやったんや。さすが板井さん！
Turn on tune in and joy division!
Reminds me of Static Age by The Misfits also recorded 78/79. Listen to album Legacy of Brutality released 1985 of Static Age era.
Btw, I'd have that piece of music history in a dust-jacket, in a case, in a clean-room,......not only because it's worth a small fortune! ;-)
Love static age yes the hard bass and scratcy recording and guitar sound similar for sure. Vocals nooooo lol
No Love Lost made me wanna thrash my ex headmaster to a pulp
Anyone here in 2020 ??!??!
Boia !!!
Indeed.. no reason to leave
Fuck yeah
Still.
Man has this EP ever touch on a more relevant time than now?!
Holla
"But Joy Division wasn't pu-"
Justin they weren't. An ideal for living is still 100% post punk, But it is definitely more raw and less refined than future releases.
If anything this album sounds like the VU. Too jam-y and experimental to be punk rock.
Laughing my ass off at someone saying with a straight face that Warsaw and Failures are post-punk songs LOL.
As Warsaw how they privious name was they were justin
how is there such thing as post punk in 1978
This was recorded the day I was born
PRE-JOYDIVISION
Yes this is WARSAW
I was there when I was there
This songs about Rudolph Hess
This is the 'Ideal For Living' E.P. - be surprised if this was a Peel session
Of course you did..
oro puro
My 12" has a different cover. 9/1978. I remember when I dropped a needle on this 12". I KNEW . . . THIS is why I do a radio show! (MMom WRUW)
Music is amazing
Witness to your empty heart
...I need it..tune!!
ça donne des vitamines , Bravo bravo
Clave! ;)
Fuck i need this is my life all the time..forever