I know we’re not the target market for this but I’d bet the two person full timer market is not small - if you dumped the 2nd bath and place the door to the garage where the bathroom door is you’d have an excellent spot for a big tv across from the recliners - drop the garage to 12 feet and add 12” of depth to that counter in kitchen and give the other 12" to the bathroom so you can get some drawers in there and I know this would become our top choice - it would give us the ideal living room and kitchen - a good bath, a good bedroom, and then that toy hauler space will be the ideal flex room that also affords the patio space. With this layout it would also be easy to add a side patio.
I don't really look at toy haulers because 1. I don't really carry around many toys. 2. The living room is always so small. But this one is excellent! The garage could be just a flex space... an office or craft room, or a guest room, etc... This one has it all plus the extra space we always look for.
Great review Myles ! Not in need of a toy hauler. Would be nice if Alliance made that floor plan in a 5th wheel minus the garage tho. Sorry we missed you at Alliance, our tour isn't scheduled until Wed. late afternoon. Now we know why we couldn't get in until then ;-) Enjoying your Firmly Unbound channel also.
I like the black skirt on the bottom. I love the "tub" for the bath my grandkids don't like showers it often turns into a dramatic issue at campgrounds that only have showers. So we have to use plastic storage bins for a make shift bathtub. I love the slide out master bed. I wish the TV was a telecaster as I'd rather have a large window vs a spot on the wall for a TV since I don't normally use a TV. Lastly the garage... I like the extra bink in back (not living room access) I wish the garage was actually a bit shorter... oh and I do love opportunity for 2 options for washer dryer hook ups. So amazing. Thanks for showing this one. I thought I had my mind made up about my next rv but this changes the game.
Vented in the bedroom and ventless in the back, I joked that I would open a laundromat in my Valor but chose to put a mini fridge where the washer prep is in the garage.
We've had a couple of Toy Haulers and this model seems to be pretty decent. Couple items I wish they would do- Get rid of some of the windows or make it an option. When full timing especially in cold weather climates windows are where you loose the heat. Secondly, wonder if the put a 2" receiver hitch on the back? Would be nice for additional storage of bicycles or BBQ's. Finally, I like the W/D in the garage, again when you are full timing you need as much closet space as possible. Thanks.
Love that floorplan. It is a big trailer, but the space is certainly nice. I love the thoughtfulness of the features. I don't knw that I even need a washer and dryer in a toy hauler. It's not likely to be a full time living situation. So the need just isn't there in my opinion. And the 12V TV and fridge are plain awesome.
7:26 idk that looks a bit light duty to me but looks like they did put a drop to the sub frame that's cool and that garbage or laundry shoot is a sweet feature
This one is a winner nothing i didn't like i would do washer and dryer in the garage my thoughts are if i ever had a issue i would rather that happen in the garage where there is less chance of water damage
Just remember that the washer /dryer prep in the garage is not vented so you have to run ventless in the garage which if you aren't aware isn't very good at drying. The bedroom is the only place to run a vented dryer like I did.
If you do your research, everything points to alliance if you want a toy hauler. The frame design is top notch in its class. If the cyclone came with this frame, it would be the only toy hauler that is a tier above. The main lacking feature vs the cyclone is the 100 gallon fresh water vs cyclones 150 gallons.
Looks like they are trying to compete with the Momentum 395. Think i like the living room layout in the 395 better, but the bedroom in this Valor better.
Rather use washer/dryer in bedroom. Just wouldn't want to loose the space to hang clothing. It's nice, kitchen is a bit cramped but you could put a cool outdoor kitchen on deck! Love the color scheme. That black is sweet too:)
I do like the white skirt better than the black! The only thing with the refrigerator in the slide out is you can’t access the fridge if you are traveling long distances. I’d like to see a pantry for the kitchen. I’d put washer and dryer in the garage.
Thanks again Myles, what a wonderful presentation! I’m pretty sure I would want the washer dryer combo in the garage that I’d also like storage in the half bath. It’s in the garage would be nice. There’s a lot of empty wall space in there that could be big medicine cabinets or something. It’s absolutely beautiful. I love it! Can you please tell me how much it costs?
You really don't want to know the MSRP on this unit. my 2022 Valor was $189,000 Canadian and it's 2 feet shorter than this one With solar and a generator.
the extra tubing above the spring, spreads the load. adds capacity, like adding a leaf to leaf springs. they need to do this at rear hitch for strength too.
You did really good. I really like the separation between the living room and kitchen. It would be perfect if it had a dishwasher. Who wants to be washing dishes when you’re relaxing and camping?
Sinks in units always seem to be at back of furniture,which can spill on counter. They need to add a short 2-4" backsplash on all units w/sink behind furniture,imo.😊
- if I have a place to park a 57 footer - and I can run the A/C from within without using gas/diesal - and heater too I think I can live in one of these
With this setup, I’m not willing to give up closet space for WD and I don’t want a combo unit. I might have to do washer in the garage and dryer in the bedroom. The freezer on this fridge looks decent, though I’d have to see it in person. I might still require a freezer. I would prefer the sliding hidden storage instead of the lift up style which means you can’t put anything on it. I wish this had the side patio.
With as many people using CPAP 's, why can't manufacturers account for this. For the Valor, that little edge beside the pillow, it's useless and is the item that keeps me from purchasing this rig.
Forest river makes some models that have a little station next to bed and above bed that’s perfect for a Cpap and I also use oxygen so that’s what I was looking for when choosing a model is enough bedroom space to have an oxygen concentrator in the room
I have a 43v13 with pretty much the same bedroom setup and I put my cpap machine on a little 2 drawer rubber made system, it's super narrow to fit between the bed and the barn door for the bathroom and keep my machine within reach. I put a command strip by the blind valance to hook my mask on it to keep it off the floor.
Black loos better be white….plus it might hide the dirt a little more…would like to see more exterior color options altogether…they are starting to look alike, other than full body which os hands down better bit more $
We love this layout and currently looking at pricing but nonetheless here are my thoughts. Black skirt all the way, now why such a big garage? Why can they not provide options? Example we only need like an 8ft garage and would much rather have another 6ft of living space, especially full timers like ourselves.
I would put a combo washer and dryer in both places. I'm assuming that there will be kids in the "garage" so why not have them wash their own clothes while the parents have their own? It amazes me how much function the designers can get into an RV like this and although the kitchen is really tiny it would be easy to use, and that is important. Also, the L-shaped sitting area is sufficient to accommodate the number of people who could sleep in this unit. You didn't mention a table so I will. One that can either be used in the garage, on the patio for outdoor eating, or in the living space (because the regular table only seats four) would be about the only addition I'd make, except, of course, for the two Combo Washers and Dryers. Nice tour.
I like this in every way! Room for my scooter, and could be an office space, too in the garage/man cave. Love the patio/porch! Love the big sofa and the color scheme. Nice kitchen layout, but I’d worry about the quality of the drawers. I would prefer both a washer AND a dryer in the garage; I don’t want the combo.
While it is a nice looking trailer with some cool features, but the 3500# CCC is a deal breaker. Add a 4-seat UTV, fuel, water, gear, and an option or two and you will exceed GVWR guaranteed. We boondock only so travelling without water is not an option. Your comment about the garage door being so much easier to open from the inside is 100% correct.....if you have no toys loaded in the garage. Put the toys or car in there and you will be cursing the interior release....100%.
Not picking on just this floorplan as I said the same thing about the new Brinkley toy hauler as well. I would prefer that they ditch the rear half-bath and make it into a W/D set up. This would give the master bedroom more available closet space in addition to not taking room out of the garage for a washer and dryer to sitting out in the middle of the floor. Side note... that loft bed would become a storage space real quick.
Floor plan is nice. I just don’t get why all brands put so many off campsite windows though. I don’t think anyone wants to look out and see their sewer or neighbors campsite. People want to see their own campsite. If they could just flip it, think it would be perfect.
Why is Alliance using cable driven slides?? And some of the plumbing looks like they have it connected wrong. that cable driven slide system is VERY susceptible to breaking. It is a deal breaker for me with all Alliance units. Also the stuff they use for the counter around the sink in the bathroom, if it gets wet underneath, it expands. At this price point why not just use a more solid counter top? If some of these things were corrected, I would consider this company. And no struts on the upper cabinets??? That’s also a deal breaker for us shorter people. We could never use it.
I love the residential looking sofa and having end tables. The bunk room having taller ceilings is great (I hate lofts) With the bedroom and closet was a bit bigger with more space to walk around. I would also have rearranged the kitchen so it didn’t encroach on the living room. Maybe put the kitchen in the rear as a U shape with a small island and the living room in the middle.
One if the issues that Alliance has when you buy the big solar package is that still only runs on 30 amp. Even when using full hookups, the electric runs through the solar and takes it down to 30 amp. It never runs the full 50 Amp. This information is from their own people. There is no bypass. Unless they have fixed it for 2024.
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I already replied I told you I just love it! Can you tell me how much it cost please?
I know we’re not the target market for this but I’d bet the two person full timer market is not small - if you dumped the 2nd bath and place the door to the garage where the bathroom door is you’d have an excellent spot for a big tv across from the recliners - drop the garage to 12 feet and add 12” of depth to that counter in kitchen and give the other 12" to the bathroom so you can get some drawers in there and I know this would become our top choice - it would give us the ideal living room and kitchen - a good bath, a good bedroom, and then that toy hauler space will be the ideal flex room that also affords the patio space. With this layout it would also be easy to add a side patio.
Thanks for great review. Love this! One recommendation: kitchen counter pull out extension. Otherwise “perfect”😊
I prefer the black skirt! The structure speaks for itself! Very impressive unit!!!
Very cool tour. We’re checking out other 5th wheels before we head to the show in Tampa.
I love this one, I could live in it full-time.
I don't really look at toy haulers because 1. I don't really carry around many toys. 2. The living room is always so small. But this one is excellent! The garage could be just a flex space... an office or craft room, or a guest room, etc... This one has it all plus the extra space we always look for.
I wish they would make a front living room toy-hauler - with the toy-hauler section doubling as an office/bedroom w/ a happyjac bed.
We carry a street legal golf cart which we find invaluable.
I like the black skirting
great work i’m looking at getting the Brinkley toy hauler so it’s great to see option like this especially the wrap couch
Great review Myles ! Not in need of a toy hauler. Would be nice if Alliance made that floor plan in a 5th wheel minus the garage tho. Sorry we missed you at Alliance, our tour isn't scheduled until Wed. late afternoon. Now we know why we couldn't get in until then ;-) Enjoying your Firmly Unbound channel also.
I prefer the garage for washer and dryer. I like my closet space
It's ventless in the garage, vented in the master bedroom. better drying with vented.
I would put the washer dryer in the garage. We need the closet space 😂
Keep the black skirting it looks better than white skirting
I like the black skirt on the bottom. I love the "tub" for the bath my grandkids don't like showers it often turns into a dramatic issue at campgrounds that only have showers. So we have to use plastic storage bins for a make shift bathtub. I love the slide out master bed. I wish the TV was a telecaster as I'd rather have a large window vs a spot on the wall for a TV since I don't normally use a TV. Lastly the garage... I like the extra bink in back (not living room access) I wish the garage was actually a bit shorter... oh and I do love opportunity for 2 options for washer dryer hook ups. So amazing. Thanks for showing this one. I thought I had my mind made up about my next rv but this changes the game.
I love the whole toy hauler. And I would put washer and dryer in the front and back. I know it’s crazy but it would work perfectly for me.
Vented in the bedroom and ventless in the back, I joked that I would open a laundromat in my Valor but chose to put a mini fridge where the washer prep is in the garage.
We've had a couple of Toy Haulers and this model seems to be pretty decent. Couple items I wish they would do- Get rid of some of the windows or make it an option. When full timing especially in cold weather climates windows are where you loose the heat. Secondly, wonder if the put a 2" receiver hitch on the back? Would be nice for additional storage of bicycles or BBQ's. Finally, I like the W/D in the garage, again when you are full timing you need as much closet space as possible. Thanks.
I agree with all the wibdiws.
Just note the Washer/dryer prep in the garage is ventless so as long as you are ok with that then it will work for you.
One of the better angled living rooms on a toy hauler I have seen.
This is my fav! Retiring soon, and this is a beautiful setup. I need the garage for my art glass studio. This is perfect!
Love that floorplan. It is a big trailer, but the space is certainly nice. I love the thoughtfulness of the features. I don't knw that I even need a washer and dryer in a toy hauler. It's not likely to be a full time living situation. So the need just isn't there in my opinion. And the 12V TV and fridge are plain awesome.
7:26 idk that looks a bit light duty to me but looks like they did put a drop to the sub frame that's cool and that garbage or laundry shoot is a sweet feature
This one is a winner nothing i didn't like i would do washer and dryer in the garage my thoughts are if i ever had a issue i would rather that happen in the garage where there is less chance of water damage
If you don’t use wood in your walls, floors, sub floors, or basement how much water damage can you really have?
Just remember that the washer /dryer prep in the garage is not vented so you have to run ventless in the garage which if you aren't aware isn't very good at drying. The bedroom is the only place to run a vented dryer like I did.
Hey Myles,
The White Skirt looks the best in my opinion. Great video, thank You for sharing.
MC
If you do your research, everything points to alliance if you want a toy hauler. The frame design is top notch in its class. If the cyclone came with this frame, it would be the only toy hauler that is a tier above. The main lacking feature vs the cyclone is the 100 gallon fresh water vs cyclones 150 gallons.
Like the black skirt
Love the layout
I don’t need a toy hauler but I would purchase this for a party palace
Nice unit. Like the living config
KZ Series and GD have THs with this type of floor plan. Great run down as always!
Looks like they are trying to compete with the Momentum 395. Think i like the living room layout in the 395 better, but the bedroom in this Valor better.
I think I like the black skirt. Both are nice
That is a useful living room. Air conditioner not being whisper quiet and ducted is a turn off. Is the tie down system anchored into the steel frame.
Rather use washer/dryer in bedroom. Just wouldn't want to loose the space to hang clothing.
It's nice, kitchen is a bit cramped but you could put a cool outdoor kitchen on deck! Love the color scheme. That black is sweet too:)
Have fun pulling that beast
AWESOME !!!
I like the BLACK skirt much better!
I do like the white skirt better than the black! The only thing with the refrigerator in the slide out is you can’t access the fridge if you are traveling long distances.
I’d like to see a pantry for the kitchen.
I’d put washer and dryer in the garage.
Stackable washer/dryer in the toy garage
Thanks again Myles, what a wonderful presentation! I’m pretty sure I would want the washer dryer combo in the garage that I’d also like storage in the half bath. It’s in the garage would be nice. There’s a lot of empty wall space in there that could be big medicine cabinets or something. It’s absolutely beautiful. I love it! Can you please tell me how much it costs?
You really don't want to know the MSRP on this unit. my 2022 Valor was $189,000 Canadian and it's 2 feet shorter than this one With solar and a generator.
the extra tubing above the spring, spreads the load. adds capacity, like adding a leaf to leaf springs. they need to do this at rear hitch for strength too.
I’ve seen the 2 inch tube on many frames . The inverted triangle piece is an upgrade between the hanger is an upgrade.
You did really good. I really like the separation between the living room and kitchen. It would be perfect if it had a dishwasher.
Who wants to be washing dishes when you’re relaxing and camping?
There are many dish washing solutions that you can look into as a modification if it’s that important to you 👍
That is really good to know! When my husband gets ready to retire, I would like to sell our home and RV
RV full-time. I would like to take the garage to put kennels in for our four big dogs.
Sinks in units always seem to be at back of furniture,which can spill on counter. They need to add a short 2-4" backsplash on all units w/sink behind furniture,imo.😊
OMG... I love it ❤❤❤❤❤
They need this L-shape couches in their 2 bedroom floor plan
Black skirt!
I like the white
I prefer the black skirt
This unit had the backsplash behind sink ❤❤❤
- if I have a place to park a 57 footer
- and I can run the A/C from within without using gas/diesal
- and heater too
I think I can live in one of these
With this setup, I’m not willing to give up closet space for WD and I don’t want a combo unit. I might have to do washer in the garage and dryer in the bedroom. The freezer on this fridge looks decent, though I’d have to see it in person. I might still require a freezer. I would prefer the sliding hidden storage instead of the lift up style which means you can’t put anything on it. I wish this had the side patio.
With as many people using CPAP 's, why can't manufacturers account for this. For the Valor, that little edge beside the pillow, it's useless and is the item that keeps me from purchasing this rig.
Forest river makes some models that have a little station next to bed and above bed that’s perfect for a Cpap and I also use oxygen so that’s what I was looking for when choosing a model is enough bedroom space to have an oxygen concentrator in the room
Cpaps are a scam
I have a 43v13 with pretty much the same bedroom setup and I put my cpap machine on a little 2 drawer rubber made system, it's super narrow to fit between the bed and the barn door for the bathroom and keep my machine within reach. I put a command strip by the blind valance to hook my mask on it to keep it off the floor.
Yeah, i like the white.
@ 19:15 What decibel level readings on these units. @ 23:14 Grab rail.
Phenomenal looking huge
Very nice Trailer.
I like the black skirt
Love it wish they would make a bunkhouse with a queen or double bed, some people have grown adults they want to bring with them, not just kids.😊😊😊
Very nice I love it
Black loos better be white….plus it might hide the dirt a little more…would like to see more exterior color options altogether…they are starting to look alike, other than full body which os hands down better bit more $
This is a beautiful Coach, but I really Love the Alliance 40 V 13 Alliance has really stepped up their game🙌🏼
We love this layout and currently looking at pricing but nonetheless here are my thoughts. Black skirt all the way, now why such a big garage? Why can they not provide options? Example we only need like an 8ft garage and would much rather have another 6ft of living space, especially full timers like ourselves.
I like the black skirt better!!!
I like it!
Like the black lower
I would put a combo washer and dryer in both places. I'm assuming that there will be kids in the "garage" so why not have them wash their own clothes while the parents have their own?
It amazes me how much function the designers can get into an RV like this and although the kitchen is really tiny it would be easy to use, and that is important.
Also, the L-shaped sitting area is sufficient to accommodate the number of people who could sleep in this unit.
You didn't mention a table so I will. One that can either be used in the garage, on the patio for outdoor eating, or in the living space (because the regular table only seats four) would be about the only addition I'd make, except, of course, for the two Combo Washers and Dryers. Nice tour.
Ventless in the Garage, Vented in the master.
If I am buying a toy hauler, the toy hauler section is what I am shopping for
I like this in every way! Room for my scooter, and could be an office space, too in the garage/man cave. Love the patio/porch! Love the big sofa and the color scheme. Nice kitchen layout, but I’d worry about the quality of the drawers. I would prefer both a washer AND a dryer in the garage; I don’t want the combo.
Dryer would have to be ventless or you would have to use an apartment setup with the pipe inside the garage , there is no vent in the garage area.
Like it, but the kitchen is way too small
Would like to know, are the benches and mattress in the garage removable? I would not need them.
Yah I like the white skirt better as well.
Yes like it alot
Brinkley 3950!!
Be careful..check out their plumbing
I like either the black or white skirting. This is a nice Toyhauler. How come your wife isn't with you on these tours?
I would like to see the dark gray continue down to the skirt
Any outlets or USB Ports near the Living room couch?
One thing I noticed about a lot of toy haulers is that they don't have very much built in storage in the garage.
I like the black. White shows mud, dirt etc.
I’ve had both a white and a black truck and my black truck shows significantly more dirt and dust than my white truck ever did
The black skirt
While it is a nice looking trailer with some cool features, but the 3500# CCC is a deal breaker. Add a 4-seat UTV, fuel, water, gear, and an option or two and you will exceed GVWR guaranteed.
We boondock only so travelling without water is not an option.
Your comment about the garage door being so much easier to open from the inside is 100% correct.....if you have no toys loaded in the garage. Put the toys or car in there and you will be cursing the interior release....100%.
I would set this out on the Outer Banks from spring to fall
Tires and axles are under rated for total GVW
I like the black for the black.. blends in more with patio!
White skirt all the way
Not picking on just this floorplan as I said the same thing about the new Brinkley toy hauler as well. I would prefer that they ditch the rear half-bath and make it into a W/D set up. This would give the master bedroom more available closet space in addition to not taking room out of the garage for a washer and dryer to sitting out in the middle of the floor.
Side note... that loft bed would become a storage space real quick.
Agree about the half bath becoming washer/dryer space! Two bathrooms in a trailer is just silly.
The slide in matting is all warped up already it looks like
I would like white sides and black front. I want the front not to show dirt, diamond plate would even be better!
best toy hauler floorplan ever!!
Skirts should match body's color.
Myles actually brinkley new 3950 toy hauler a 14 ft garage with a section couch
But compare the plumbing..
Can you please let me know what the price is on this is?
The mandatory nest of pipes and wires, at least they let you view it..
Floor plan is nice. I just don’t get why all brands put so many off campsite windows though. I don’t think anyone wants to look out and see their sewer or neighbors campsite. People want to see their own campsite. If they could just flip it, think it would be perfect.
Is the oven still gas or electric?
like it
What’s reality with the L shape sofa when pulling the slides in? Where does the sofa go?
That’s my question.
@@chosenPlutoditto
I am still waiting for more toyhauler options with just one bathroom.
Not a fan of the grey kitchen. Love white kitchens.
Cute but I need a island as a full timer
Why is Alliance using cable driven slides?? And some of the plumbing looks like they have it connected wrong. that cable driven slide system is VERY susceptible to breaking. It is a deal breaker for me with all Alliance units. Also the stuff they use for the counter around the sink in the bathroom, if it gets wet underneath, it expands. At this price point why not just use a more solid counter top? If some of these things were corrected, I would consider this company. And no struts on the upper cabinets??? That’s also a deal breaker for us shorter people. We could never use it.
I love the residential looking sofa and having end tables. The bunk room having taller ceilings is great (I hate lofts) With the bedroom and closet was a bit bigger with more space to walk around. I would also have rearranged the kitchen so it didn’t encroach on the living room. Maybe put the kitchen in the rear as a U shape with a small island and the living room in the middle.
One if the issues that Alliance has when you buy the big solar package is that still only runs on 30 amp. Even when using full hookups, the electric runs through the solar and takes it down to 30 amp. It never runs the full 50 Amp. This information is from their own people. There is no bypass. Unless they have fixed it for 2024.