Intel Core Ultra vs Apple M3/Pro - Is Intel Back on top?
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2023
- Intel Just released their NEW Core ultra 7 155H with 5nm/N6 technology from TSMC, the makers of Apple M3 Chips. Is it enough to take on Apple?
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Excuse the few chart errors. We're working on getting them spot on. Most are perfect and the info in the video is spot on.
No problem sir
You can have chart errors *or* cheap hyperbolic titles. When I see a lot of both I wonder if you're worth my attention.
The only error I noticed was the graph that showed the bar for the M3 Geekbench as longer than the Core Ultra 7 even though the Ultra 7 scored a tiny bit higher. Sure, people will argue visuals are helpful, but it was no big deal because you had the numbers listed and you said them as well. Keep it up!
What about AMD !?
We can change our titles when RUclips changes back its algorithm to how it was 2-3 years ago. They now punish channels that don't use clickable taglines.. Super annoying @@fbelard
At least there is a competition now. Thx to Apple starting a revolution with M1.
I can't really call it to competition, if somebody manage to reach the M1 (released in 2020, 3 years ago) level in 2023/2024. That is 3-4 years behind, that is not a "real" competition. (But it's the same for Snapdragon X Elite, when it will release Apple is halfway to release the M4, so the performance what is good against the M2, still the same like this now, still 2 gen behind)
This probably existed before M1... it takes several years to bring this to market
@@TamasKiss-yk4st It is though, Remember windows users will buy these laptops much cheaper and get most of the benefits of the M3 and in time they will catch up. But I am glad apple and AMD are lighting a fire under Intel's ass,. If Intel went unchecked we would all still using a Pentium 4 but slightly faster
@TamasKiss-yk4st is that only thing caught your attention? In multi-tasking, intel smokes your latest apple silicon in performance with 3x cheaper price (as a paying consumer price per performance matters to me). I don't care about efficiency much as its not space heater with 1500watt that I should worry. 😂😂 I use both mac and widows and lean towards windows/intel when price per performance is measured. Cant wait for next zenbook with ultra core 9 series.
@@User.2024.1 I Agree, I wound up getting a 4090 Laptop with an Intel 13900 for a total $2800 after upgrading memory to 96gb and Storage to 6TB, and for Davinci resolve I would have needed to spend at least 4k before I got Apple equivalent *(When Plugged In) I never use my laptop off desk and away from power so that works for me but I got my daughter a Macbook air since she uses it unplugged most of the time.
If I needed quiet or using it with just a battery I would have gotten a MacBook Pro as the M3 is just so much performance per watt.
How about performance per dollar.
Apple has been needing some good competition since the M1 came out 3 years ago. Nice to see Intel finally stepping up to the plate. This is good news for Mac users.
Still seems to me Apple needs to step up in raw performance to even just barely compete with graphics cards. Yes, Apple is great at being energy efficient, but when you need to get work done as fast as possible for graphics intensive work, etc. the M3 is still left in the dust.
Intel Ultra™ Power Consumption.
@@Cowicide M3 max is as fast as rtx 4080 laptop so you do get DGPU performance IF you're willing to spend over $3600.
@@fidelisitor8953 M3 max isn't as powerful as a 4080 stop waffling
@@fidelisitor8953 Thanks for the reply. I'd love to be proven wrong. Are you going on benchmarks or real-world comparisons? I haven't seen any on Max or maybe I missed it? Also, I want to see how M3 Max compares to desktop Windows machines.
Been noticing a lot of your recent reviews you have the wrong bar graph with the right numbers next to the products.
Cinebench R23 graphic bars wrong? Ultra is higher at 11116, but bar is shorter.
Can we also see more GPU intensive tasks that are common in video production workflow for comparison? By the way, great video
Great video! Can you test low power mode on the M3 series MacBooks?
Honestly? I want intel back on top. Why? I have used Mac since 1987. I’ve seen it all. Here is the thing, since around M1 Apple has made machines more and more closed. Not even RAM or SSDs can be upgraded, let alone CPU and GPU. PC architecture is superior because it is open.
The Ryzen AI series of chips are the ones to watch. They have fast cores, iGPU and NPU which is more inline with the M1-M3 parts from Apple.
Always very cool to watch your comprehensive videos. There’s 1 I’m missing though in the whole series about these M3 family of chip laptops. I’ve googled for such a comparison and it seems many people do miss it too and no one really has made such a direct comparison. Here it is, the aim would be to compare the battery life as you know so well how to make these battery tests with many typical applications, web browsing, RUclips watching, music listening, office workload, etc, between:
-the base M3 Pro 14 inch
-the upgraded chip M3 Pro 14 inch
-the base M3 Max 14 inch
-the upgraded chip M3 Max 14 inch
Now you could throw in the 16 versions of those same chips but I’m not personally interested.
Another variant that could be brought in the comparison is with the low power mode enabled on the Max versions and how the battery life but also the performance compare with an upgraded M3 Pro with Low Power mode disabled.
I want to know if opting for the Max that’s clearly more interesting this year is going to sacrifice a lot of battery life in comparison to the M3 Pro.
Would be immensely grateful if you could make such a comparison.
Best,
A fan of the channel!
3D Mark Wild Life Extreme，Ultra 7 155H，28fps。Please confirm whether the running score is accurate?
What are the specs of computers been compared?
Are you running the latest bios?
Have you an ability in measuring a transistors count in new intel SoC?
If you know the chip's surface area and the process note the chip was manufactured on then you can make a reasonable approximation.
Apple's newest products are always available in Brazil a few days after US launch. But the first laptops with Meteor Lake are not expected to hit brazilian market before mid-2024. That is why even though macbooks here are the most expensive in the world, whoever has the budget keeps buying them.
Concordo. Eu mesmo aqui em um dilema de qual computador comprar, voltado para produção musical (beatmaking). Mas acho que vou acabar pegando um Mac Mini M2 Pro. Pois os macbooks são muito caros, obviamente que abriria mão da portabilidade mas eu quase não uso computador fora do escritório. O que acha?
Se a Apple tivesse ssd e memória ram que pudesse trocar (tipo split) acho que venderiam bem mais. Não só pelo fato de ser mais barato mas também depois que passa a garantia se quebra já era. Vc perde o computador, é muito difícil de alguém pegar pra consertar
are these bench numbers when plugged in to power or free standing???
good point, finally someone asking the important question.
How does it compare to the M3 Max?
They came up with a very nice upgrade , a big thumbs up to intel to finally step up. But how far would they be able to go with x86 arch , the power efficiency and and battery life is tough place to compete for intel. The chip arch bundled with windows prolly not gonna reach the mac numbers soon but i hope they come up with good performance boost. These laptops will surely have a dedicated gpu so it will have better graphic performance and a better affordable price
It's clear Intel is finally getting traction in the CPU space. Strangely, it's easier for Intel to catchup than Apple and AMD to extend their lead. In a year or two, Intel will be at parity. That is when things will get interesting.
it was clear from start, Neither apple or amd make their own chips.
@@kaywonderer exactly, sure intel lacked behind for a long time, but they're now striking back better than ever like always. in 2025 they'll have even more impressive chips and they'll know that if you've watched their events where they set their goals.
@@kaywonderer you're not wrong Apple's chips are based on ARM whereas AMD uses X-86 which is basically licensed to them by Intel 😂
Amazon link (or any Retail link)) for the INTEL UNIT ????? Viewers NEED this for feature and PRICE COMPARISON ... WHERE IS IT ?????
Can you revise with the new bios update, I heard that the new bios update has a huge gain for multi core
Are these ARM processors?
2:06 what is this chart? Fix pls
where number comes the ultra7 compute ？is it Metal？how？cant find the resource.gpu compare i only find otherwise😅
Really think you guys should disclose whether or not the products were plugged in during these tests, and do comparisons both plugged in and unplugged.
Maybe, but majority don't care. In the past 25+ years of using computers as IT and personal hobby, I have never used my laptop unplugged except occasionally travel where I don't need power in the airport while waiting. What most smart consumers care about is Price Per Performance, and we know the winner.
@@User.2024.1Odd, no Software Engineering team I have ever worked on wanted to be weathered to a wall outlet all day. Most consumers, smart or not care about what they are familiar with. If you've been using macOS for 20 years price per performance isn't going to push you to a Windows laptop, and vice versa for other metrics.
Gaming is possible on Meteor Lake, especially when enabling XeSS.
What’s the song played at the beginning?
what does the price to performance ratio of the chip compared to Apple look like?
mediocre
M3 chips also go to like 110c in max loads, which is burning hot
When we get a Intel laptop without fans and same performance as Air then they'll be on top again.
But still - is the performance going to be the same plugged and unplugged?
Is the battery time going to be the same?
Is it going to have amazing high resolution screen and great build?
There is a lot more for intel to cover that just raw power, and they are not winning even that.
Macs don't have fans?
@@ehenningsen the base 13' MacBook jair don't have fans since M1 in 2020.
@@julianojosoa2145 Weird. Because the M3 has been recorded at reaching 110°C WITH fans on. Don't you think cheating out on fans is a terrible idea?
@@ehenningsen m3 has fans because it's in a 'pro' chasis, but when they make m3 'air' it won't have fans
on short bursts it is performing great, it's only when you do like hard core video editing for long periods of time that it gets warm
intel gets warm when you turn it on lol
Should pricing differential also be considered when looking at performance?
I don’t think so. If we consider the price of the laptop, we need to take much more than the chip into account. Display, build quality, RAM and storage config all matter. This video is comparing the chip so all we really need to compare is thermal solution and power consumption. This Intel chip does not go into fanless computers so why reviewers keep comparing it to the M2 MacBook Air is beyond my comprehension.
@@shanep.7184 It's because they want to show something "different", they don't want to show that, once again, Apple just outright wins. People don't find it entertaining when the status quo is maintained.
Also, it's possible they were sponsored by/partnered with Intel and under instructions of what competition they could compare it to.
Any tests with 185h yet?
In idle/basic tasks Apple M2/M3 goes below 5W and that is unbeaten for now, and would be difficult for x86 processors
If they're getting over 13 hours in a light load test on a 70wh battery they're drawing 5.38 watts on average for the entire system, that means that the SoC goes far below 5 watts and likely crosses under 2 or 2.5 in the lightest workloads. By the time x86 can match that ARM will be drawing under a watt at idle, so the proportions will likely remain the same.
1:18 You hit the point. Apple is using 3nm. But INTEL is using first in house 7nm(INTEL 4). That is a great leap by INTEL. Once this step is complete. Intel should be easy to move quickly in the energy efficiency department. Push higher performance will be easy once the energy issue is resolved… also M3 are much more expensive.
It took Intel more than 10
Years to get to 7nm thats
Just sad
@@lesleyhaan116the real size of 7nm is not clear though because nm is now only a marketing name
@@lesleyhaan116 hey it's their inhouse developed node if I'm not wrong, Intel manufacturers and produces their own CPU's and not get them from sources like TSMC.
@@shrishpotdar343 yes and they where failing with there in house 14+++ node for the last 10 years AMD and Apple did wake up Intel that’s why they innovating again but still failing with mobile chips when it comes to efficiency
I think it is not as easy as just create a new chip with a new architecture. There are software integration that take time, even the apple silicon had a moment of transition. The head start of apple silicon is just too big.
What do you mean? It’s still x86. There is no transition period needed.
I expect a generational collaboration between Microsoft and AMD, intel is just so poor with development now.
nope. apple is simply doing much better. Probably has a much more power rn thus could take the leading role.
People wake the f up, this is not about who's figured it out, its about the market and cards are layed down by the system.
Rn apple has it, 5 years from now someone else will take the leading role, its all about politics, market state and power nothing else
We need to just combine every other chip for ultimate performance. Think of it like fusion from Dragon Ball Z.
@@InternetListener Not always the case. AMD thought that Bulldozer was a good idea and put all their marbles in that basket. It goes to show that you can definitely chart the wrong course in developing CPU and GPU products. Apple released a great product. Question is will they be able to keep making leaps with Arm or at some point will they reach a point that it loses its efficiency?
Why are you measuring Performance per Watt in Watts? It looks odd, since Watts are being used to measure consumed energy, and Performance per Watt should be measured in something like TFOPS per Watt. Anyway, thanks for the video!
That sucks. Probably will move to Apple for my next laptop despite hating Apple's upgrade policy. I hope the next generation of Intel CPUs will get another big upgrade in terms of energy efficiency. Otherwise bye. I have a XPS 13 Plus and really wish I had a Macbook Air instead. Very hard to change the screen and disappointing battery.
From an apple user, I think the switch is worth it but if you only seek better battery life and don't really care about MacOS features, like seamless integration with apple ecosystem, reliable software, and durable hardware, I think on the Windows/Linux side of thing AMD should be on your radar. Personally I've switch from Windows, because it's really shitty software and I couldn't bear having to constantly spend time on fixing bugs and errors, removing bloat, and managing all of the bs that comes with Windows. But I also have an AMD desktop running linux, and that thing is really good too, and from my experience with previous laptops AMD is really a good option for someone who likes or doesn't mind Windows. If you really want to switch tho, my advice is to look for M2/M1 if you are on a budget, you can get crazy deal with MBP pro 16 M1, or MPB14 M2, and if you really have the money than M3 is a no brainer either way you are going to like it a lot.
Wait to see what Qualcom's chip can do, too. It should happen next year at some point.
@@FlorinArjocu Good point. At least the competition starts to wake up.
I switched and came running back to windows simply because the hardware is great but macos is not compatible with anything other than their own apps and its ARM so it doesnt work with the rest of the world like the pcs can all talk to each other which helps esp in corporate settings and thats just easy. You should look towards the HP Spectre or Envy series with AMDs latest gen if battery is your primary complaint those are the last good ones left as dell refuses to change their design or bump the specs.
@@aliabdullahrizwan6774 Yeah unfortunately Windows is still the defacto for software, but when you don't use software that's Windows only, MacOS or Linux are really no brainers.
Is this really correct comparison? Isn't the correct way to compare: 155h- m3, 165h-m3 pro, 185h- m3 max? 🤔
Ignore bro, he's an apple fanboy. All his nos. are wrong
it seems that you don't understand what performance per watt represents.
I might be slow here but what’s the difference between bend/bined and unbend/unbind?
@@kokosabrikos6665 Thank you for enlightening me! I heard this word in many videos and never understood what it meant. The last question that I would like to know is how would someone know if they got an unbinned or binned versions of a product? Is it indicated somewhere?
by the number of active cores. Low-performance chips are basically all "low binned". High performance ones - are "high binned". Binning is just a sorting process.
40 years??? What were they waiting for Intel !!!!?
Competition. Nobody was competing with them, so they stopped innovating, which gave all their competitors time to catch up, and by the time they realized they were going to fall behind it was too late.
@@RATsnak3Greedy Israelites. If im not mistaken, Intels R&D is in Jerusalem.
I'm more curious about the snapdragon chip and how it will perform compared to the M3
You're perhaps misunderstanding what is going on here. Or maybe that's the wrong way to put it. Maybe the right way to put it is that the premise is wrong. It isn't about chip architectures or chip vs another chip etc. Apple represents a specific approach in design. I.e. the integrated approach. It is very clear they're all in on that now. And just to be clear this is a legitimate approach in computer science. The other of course being the modular approach represented by the likes of Microsoft, Intel et al. Which is also a legitimate approach in computer science. Strong arguments can be made for either approaches and have historically been made. This isn't a battle of chips and chip architecture. It is a contrast in different design approaches, both legitimate in computer science. Moreover, X86 is at a huge disadvantage because of Intel's rabid insistence of backwards compatibility. They will never be able to achieve the kind of power consumption numbers without getting rid of their micro op hardware decoders which are basically Cisc to Risc decoders in hardware. They need to simplify their ISA but for them to do that would be to concede on an issue they've repeatedly doubled down.
As for Qualcomm, well again it is irrelevant because it's not a chip vs chip issue. If they succeed in delivering whatever they're talking about they will still be just another player in the modular approach. I won't be buying a PC for my production needs anytime soon for example. So it doesn't matter how great the performance turns out to be. I prefer the integrated approach.
Also as a last point on performance it kind of doesn't matter once you clear a certain threshold. Other things start to matter more. Things like design and integration aspects for example. Like if I need 125 tracks in Logic Pro to do all my production work and Qualcomm releases a chip that will perform well enough to allow for a thousand tracks in Logic Pro I would argue this is completely irrelevant. If my performance criteria is being met by Apple silicon there is absolutely no reason to switch. In fact it would be quite destructive to try to switch. Again, integration, software, downtime etc. All those matter much more than performance if your performance needs are already being met. So this is all nice and academic but in professional workloads it doesn't mean shit.
@@Screaming-Treesthanks for the response
but snapdragon doesn't run macos, and maybe run windows in coming future but no one think arm chip can run windows without any problem in coming year, so no matter how good snapdragon chip is, you won't use it to replace desktop/laptop.
@@Screaming-Trees If you are in the X86 game now (Windows and Linux), the same arguments work the other way around. And the majority of people use Windows and almost all servers and all supercomputers run Linux (or Unix). The idea is simple: since M1, Windows had nothing that good, so many bought macs. Now, they might not need a Mac anymore, as there might be similar performance and efficiency in the Windows and Linux world. And also, if you need more flexibility, there is no other choice, either. Also, if you game, there is no other choice, either.
@@FlorinArjocu Yeah fair enough. Nothing wrong with the modular approach and Windows/Linux. And yes if you're gaming then this is your best bet. Gaming on a mac is pretty sad.
OH YEAH!! This is the kind of video I LOVE to see from you guys! Truly next level in the amount of tests you guys put in. Looks like the new Intel chips are at about M1 performance for everything except multi-core, where Intel does beat it out, and also neural engine, which the M1 is way faster actually. Not a super great showing for Intel compared to Apple, especially because the Intel chips are using more power than any of Apple’s M chip iterations. So Apple is still king (no surprise) but I like where Intel is going, if I were a PC guy I’d definitely go Meteor Lake over the older weak laptop chips like i7 1360p or something, even more powerful ones.
And yes guys, of COURSE I wanna see the full real-world comparison of these. I’m already subbed but I’ll share your channel with my Dad and get him to sub too 😂
Video is another example of Betteridge's Law of Headlines in action.. as I suspected.. So, thanks for the summary!! 🙂
@@carlseghers7822 Ha! I suppose it is! 😁
Maybe you should do performance per dollar that would be an interesting metric and more useable for the average user. I doubt Apple would be able to generate good value under performance per dollar.
No video editing results 😢
M3 is limited to Mac OS, so if it's faster, it's not much, but there's no normal Windows on it. For Windows laptop users, it's a good update.
Can’t you just run dual boot on MacBooks?
@@servantofourlordjesuschris6456 Not with M-series ARM chips. But you can run Parallels on Mac and install Windows in a VM. It apparently runs faster than native windows on an intel-based laptop in many cases.
2:08 Ultra is faster, but the bar is shorter 😆
2:09 how is 11k higher than 10k value? for Cinebench R23 score?
Thats what i was wondering
Hes just a apple fan boy , dont waste your time in the future here ...
So 4 years on since the M1 and Intel is still struggling in performance per watt.
Why energy efficient is so important? 95% of time I use my laptop plugged even at work. Most places have a plug nearby. The most important is do what is needed fast.
Less heating , so no cpu throttling for much longer time
Finally intel is catching on. The 155h is basically like 3 part chip. One with the main performance and efficiency cores. Another with the ultra efficiency cores and other systems on that chip. So they can do cylinder shut off while idling.
Glad to see intel focusing back on battery life. Those 1260p battery were kinda disappointing. Same for 13whateverp. And intel xe lpg finally has some ground to amd radeon 780m igp.
Was waiting for the comparison to m3 pro. Because with a name like core ultra 7 I assume it is ultra level hardware. If it is core 5 then I assume it is vanilla m3 level. But that makes the vanilla m3 now an i7 eqv.
It would be nice to see Intel produce a genuine and competitive product that doesn't suck massive amounts of power and can be used unplugged. I have a soft spot for Intel for its Pentium and Wintel days when it ruled the CPU and Windows world
Unless they go with arm architecture, they are not beating apple silicone ever in terms of power draw. ARM chips are really designed to minimize power draw and intel wants to stick to x86 x64
@@delta0307 that's the inherent nature of x86 architecture, the problem is that they are doing a bad job compared to AMD. If they even compete well with AMD then it's still great
The results are impressive for intel a 7nm design competing against a 3nm chip
Graph at 2:05 is seriously misleading. lower bar, but higher number, where higher is better. Hello? do better.
2:48 "performance per watt" is not measured in Watts genius. That's score over / Watts.
Why are you not showing single core performance in Cinebench??? Geekbench cannot utilize lots of intel and X86 libraries and exaggerate the actual single core performance in their respective operating system(windows and Macos).
Compare based in cost not on just performance. You can't compare a 2000 dollar laptop chip to a 1000 laptop chip 😢😢😢😢😢😢
I'm waiting intel to released a ground breaking cpu in the upcoming arrow lake, please use tsmc 3ne process node and move to x86s
i think a better comparison is the apple m chips vs the AMD ryzen 7 7840U since it beats the core ultra 7 in many benchmarks (especially on battery)
2:04 --> Apple has less score but the graph is big . Correct it
M3 Max vs top Windows laptops? I want to see which one can get video editing done faster as well as 3D rendering, etc. - Battery life is nice for when on the go, but let's look at raw performance comparisons with both plugged in. M3 has been out for a while and I'm surprised there's no comparison yet.
At notebookcheck are comparisons. A M3 Pro 18-Core GPU ranges below the Intel Arc 770m, a $250 mobile gpu with 117W TDP.
@@lorsheckmolseh3345 I still want to see a head-to-head comparison in the realworld. Including similar tasks with FCP vs other apps, etc. - I've seen plenty of times where Apple's architecture surpasses what I would have expected from just assorted benchmarks.
yeah... but if you pair the intel chip with a nvidia titan rtx or tesla v100 everything becomes 5x faster on any windows pc (except for gaming: these gpu s weren t made for gaming, you can still do it tho)
while you show comparing , please add the price that would be great !
ouch, that headline in the thumbnail 😮
40 years feels like a long time to make a change in architecture 😂
People demanding fast laptops with low power usage however is only 5 years old
2:08 the graph is wrong?
Well, the new Intels are not to compete with Apple, but with AMD and take away part of the market that AMD has gained. Like the following graphics cards, they will not be a serious rival to Nvidia, but their goal is to gain market share.
In the case of this comparison, it's not very fair either, starting with the fact that Apple's OS is tuned to the M3 and its variants and in the case of Intel's processor that will come more with Windows 12. The comparison would be nice with the same S.O.
In the same way, the cost of one and the other are not comparable either. And if someone grabs an AMD or Intel computer that's worth what Apple's is worth, the cost of the internal components would drive the price of the M3 up to stratospheric levels.
It's fine for statistical purposes to compare how they both evolve over the years, but honestly, I don't think their markets will ever continue to intersect. And if it does, it will be bad for Apple or for the rest of consumers, because it's hard for Apple's pricing policy to change.
In any case, a very well made video. And happy new year.
I own M3 Mac,but there's huge price gap between 155h and M3 so the comparison results are not surprising at all.
Seriously gotta automate those charts or fire the new intern :D
Dang man haha. I looked over a lot of them and they were spot on but I see a few errors now. We tried to hire someone to create animated ones that could still be automated but they said it couldn't be done. It will get better 👍
@@MaxTechOfficial Please do. This is one of my favourite channels and want you guys to do well so I cringe every time I see yet another chart error (unfortunately, they are not infrequent) because I know that such things are important to some people who will then be turned off your channel.
If you are doing this manually, you cannot have a single person checking. A single person will always miss things.
please compare Ryzen 7 8845hs vs Apple M3. Thank you!
What about vs Ultra 9?
In June, the arrival of Snapdragon X in the latest Windows on ARM laptops is expected to bring about transformative changes. With AMD also joining the ARM landscape, it's only a matter of time before we witness Windows on ARM laptops delivering comparable or even superior performance per watt.
Looks like the ARM threat has finally lit a fire under Intel's butt, which I'm sure is going to be great news in general, but I'm just not sure the ageing x86 architecture could ever compete on performance per watt against the more modern ARM. Not without some masterpiece of engineering, at least.
The biggest issue with ARM is instruction set, but also the fact it's not upgradable.
Please max compare the m3 with snapdragon X elite
2:03 your graphs don't match the scores. Higher is better, yet the lower score has a longer bar.
I have a (maybe) stupid question.
I'm now in the inconvenient situation that I have to buy a new laptop, because my trusty old Thinkpad from 2017 has long passed its zenith.
I've been wondering for almost half a year now whether it's a good idea to buy a used Macbook with an M1 Pro because the efficiency of Apple Silicon is simply fascinating. (And also those sell for a somewhat affordable price with "reasonable" specs...)
Or is it worth waiting for the Ultra processor generation from Intel?
The things the laptop has to be capable of is good battery life, at least 2x Thunderbolt ports and it has to survive basic editing in Premiere Pro/Resolve for YT/Instagram Content and occasional forays into after effects.
What I need is something reasonably powerfull, that I can carry around, without looking for a power socket after 30 Minutes.😅
Does anyone have any current experience with the M1 Pro? How is it holding up compared to newer Intel/AMD Laptops?
Out of curiousity I testet my projects on a colleague's well spect M1 Max a while ago. Smooth as hack as expected. 👌
But I'm definitely not going to pay like 4000€ for a device like that. xD
For the really demanding projects, I have a pretty powerful PC in my rack at home.
2:08 how is 10,447 more than 11,116?
Is it me or are some of the graphs weird?
This explains why these new Intel Laptops with this chip are selling brand new for the price of used M1 Pro and M2 Pro
I think Intel has been trying to have internal GPU long before Apple made his own. That is why there were AMD or NVidia card in Intel MacBooks.
the cheapest Ultra 7 155h laptop in Indonesia is around 700$ meanwhile the cheapest M3 laptop is almost at 1800$ here.
Good effort by Intel, but battery life is key in a notebook. Maybe in 2 years time..
The question is, is it plugged or not?
This is my first comment ever on RUclips (I am pretty sure). While the term "binning" could be technically construed to be correct in the way that you have been using it for quite some time, the term more typically connotations something that is higher performance. This is especially true in the CPU world. A manufacturer will test all the chips with the same core counts; then, the manufacturer reserves the parts with better cores (requiring less voltage) for better SKUs. While the same process results in lower performance parts as well, the term "binned" is usually invoked to indicate the higher performing chips. Can you point me to any references that show that the way that you're using it is common or correct? I'm willing to learn!
I wonder if Intel will ship these new chips with 8GB of ram and charge 230 Euros extra if you need more?
its like comparing apples and pears (no pun intended). Apple is great within its own eco-system, but for anything else we have general purpose windows based PCs.
I think apple has a solid head start, but biting at its heels will be ever improving performance chips. Phone are more powerful than ever and all future devices will only become faster. A future phone is all some people need, and they could link to a display or tablet to expand the work area. Even the idea of a laptop format at risk from future innovation.
You should have provided the. benchmarks with both laptops disconnected form power. Which we know for the Mac they remain the same but for Intel, how lower does it get?
Really no contest, Apple is ahead with the M3. I wonder how much of the problem is still that Intel needs to decode-> micro instructions X86 code. I don't think this should matter that much at this point but I read somewhere it limits the amount of decoders they can reasonably put, etc.
Good that Intel improved their chip but touting it as the next best thing and saying something about 40 years or whatever, but still bringing out a chip comparable to Apple's from 3 years ago is so funny to me
I don't care how fast my neighbour's noisy custom Datsun does the quarter mile, it's not a daily driver.
It is quite lower performance on intel side, but the price is 50% lower too.
Do a pratical comparaison, sometimes caracteristics don't matter
Can it run Sonoma? Then no.
It seems that all that core Intel that various overseas chip companies had to hand over to the US has been provided back door to Intel
Intel achieved this much in 1st gen of Intel Ultra. Interesting to see 2nd gen of this Intel Ultra.... Definitely going to give run for money to Apple
Apple managed to blow our minds with its first-gen M1, so it's not an excuse for Intel. I suspect the architecture is simply inferior in design to Apple.
Not sure you watched the whole video, did you go further than the first bench? The important metric is the performance per watt and Intel, even if it have 3 type of core still is miles behind Apple, but yeah, good job Intel to finally have a performance CPU that can work on battery, but they are already 2 generation behind Apple and Apple is going to continue improve its M chip also, Intel Gen 2 will compete agains M4 and so one...
Still not on the 1st gen M1 level. And Apple managed to do that even bettet performance per watt 3 years ago, so i don't know what do you expect from the 2nd gen Intel, that is just some polishing, the high performance jump comes with the 1st gen...
@@ahaimes6320 It runs on 7nm processor, while m3 runs on 3nm processor. AMD upcoming chips is on 3nm processor, that will be good competition. Intel just was lazy and lagged behind, it has no one but itself to blame for being so asleep.
@@ahaimes6320 When in 2years intel will move to 3nm processors, its competition will be on 1nm processor.It has to hope people fail inorder for it to survive.
These hardware comparisons never discuss software. MacOS is superior to Windows in almost every way (I use both…)
Agreed, but some people need Windows for some things.
Serious QA needed not only for graphs but the labels - performance per watt isn't measured in watts. Wrong 'best' line highlighted. Inconsistent scores for the Intel chip in Cinebench 2024 & why on earth are you still including Cinebench R23 the it's nixed for Apple Silicon? It's getting hard to trust Max Tech any more.
I've got a Zenbook 14x with 13900H and there is no way I can get 7-8 hours of mix work, my real life battery life is 4-6 hours with 120Hz, HDR and may brightness. Office use , videos etc.
2:03 the chart is wrong
I won’t need neural processing for anything I do on the computer. But I might have to upgrade to a computer with a neural chip to run the next version of the OS. Then I will probably have to update the other software to run on that computer. Somebody will be making a lot of money, won’t be me.