What If Genshin's Starting Characters Were 5-Stars?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
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In this video I try my hand at designing new 5-star kits for Genshin's starting characters since they are relevant yet have outdated gameplay designs.
The Future of Genshin’s Starters: 0:00
Friends & Dragons Ad: 1:25
My Design Philosophies: 2:30
Redesigning Amber: 3:36
Redesigning Kayea: 6:03
Redesigning Lisa: 8:13
#Amber #Kaeya #Lisa 
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Childe's skill: wall of text.
Kaeya's skill: Kaeya does ice damage in front of him.
Raiden ult : a whole thesis
Amber ult : amber deals aoe pyro damage for 2 seconds
Kokomi burst: length of light novel from Yae Publishing House
Barbara burst: heals
Itto's na: the oni encyclopedia
Lisa na: ewectro :3
Shenhe c4: writes an essay to explain the whole entire completely new mechanic that's getting added into her kit
Geo traveler c4: hit things get energy
ayaka's namecard: a dissertation about her fans
amber's namecard: It's Baron Bunny!
The idea of letting amber's ult always land on where baron bunny is is actually genius. Also the tap and hold versions!!! Great ideas
@flisnoo shaboo but Constellation gated should've been on passive
Yup i actually roast hoyovers at there questioners that some is explained in this video
Enemies just push that thing away
@@pyronado4320 so true the other taunters character has fix placing and itto taunt are heavy and hard to move also his taunt deal 10k to 15k with good build while amber hard to aim hard to deal damage and not taunt properly... Sigh*
@@vctmmhendra 10k is so low even my f2p itto do like 80k e
just saying kaeya would honestly be really good as 5 star not only is he lore relvant but also most useable of the three
he has quick and easy cryo applications and his numbers are pretty decent also his constellations are really good
I agree, when I first got the game I was really surprised he was not a 5* because he was supposed to be the calvary captain?? Plus, doesn't Kaeya supposedly have the best sword stats, it kind of makes me feel like he was supposed to be a 5* to begin with but they changed it last minute
@@sophxcat Currently, Kaeya has the highest normal attack scaling for sword users. Keqing is second. Keqing, Albedo, and Kaeya have a charged sword attack that pushes them backwards. Kaeya and Sayu are the only characters who has an unique ability outside of their skillset, a teleporting ability within their normal attack sequence allowing them to go to the nearest enemy. Yanfei, Beidou, and Kaeya are the only characters that grant themselves an ability to gain a shield through constellations.
For a 4-star, Kaeya is actually up there as a pretty decent and balanced sword unit. You can even play around his kit and make him either physical or cryo dps.
@@BadassHatdog to add to that, cryo dps can play either melt or freeze, both of which are pretty strong
kaeya cant compete against ganyu strong single target dps and ayaka aoe and burst
but he is really solid unit out of all the 4 stars he can arguebly be the strongest dps... he works alone so adding teams is just a bonus.... funny hes simplicity is something that shares with his brother diluc
@@sophxcat I mean, ningguang has an incredibly important role in liyue too yet she's a 4 star while her employees are 5 stars lol
Now do this in reverse! Make the current three Archons as if they were our starter team.
Yeeeees
@Boo wait, actually that's true. I never thought about it that way
@Boo beat me to it
venti: ult only works on slimes
zhongli: revert to 1.1 zhongli without the buffs
raiden: ult cd is 30 seconds and doesnt restore energy
@@Marv-hk3gi you do remember that 1.1 zhongli still has that insane 50k hp shield right? XD
TBH I've always suspected the relationship of these "starter charcters" in the future, Kaeya and Lisa legit hold some of Teyvat biggest mysteries, and all their kits are highly constellation-gated. I really want some lore crumbs of these three by the time we get to Sumeru, and personally coping for possibly similar Augment Core-like characterisation mechanic from Honkai Impact.
I really Hope that mihoyo will give out free constellations of them in the future. Or at least, make them easier to get, since they greatly buff each of them. Like, c'mon, how are they gonna design a literal prince from a fallen nation and the best graduate from a highly prestigious academy in 2 centuries, then somehow brush that all under the rug? I'm pretty sure -or at least, strongly hope lol- that they're gonna play some major role in future game lore
@@devilsadvocate7474 They already kinda give out constellations since all the starter characters are heavily featured in Paimon's shop.
@@tinkerer3399 "heavily featured" i mean that's only one starter con every 6 months lol. Presuming you have horrible luck and save up diligently, it would take you approx 3 years to get a starter to C6
@@tinkerer3399 that’s not “giving out constellations”… that’s a way for players to waste starglitter (or w.e it’s called). Stop defending stupid decisions. Every gacha game gives out starter constellations like hot cakes because that’s what they are: starters that are meant to help you in the beginning. Genshin is the only game where it takes 3 fucking years to max out your starters. Ridiculous.
7:09 bro his constellation 4 shield looks so freaking cool, and it might be some ancient technology. Maybe his kit could even be a cryo shielder with a cryonado like xiangling
Noelle found depressed in a ditch
yeahhh! his ult is okay for starting players, but it should be buffed. But instead of a Cryonado, consider: something like the Cryo Abyss Mage's icicle drop thingin an AoE around him. Bit like Ganyu's but it moves and the radius is smaller, and maybe it has some different purposes.
@@LittleDevilAkuma poor Noelle 😭
Cryonado is basically Rosaria, even though it's stationary. I find that melt Rosaria is very comparable to Xiangling. I only have c4, but I believe c6 Keaya is the closest thing to a cyro Xingqiu.
It’s not cool it’s just different 🗿
hope they add something like how Arknights allowed you to change/"upgrade" Amiya (starter character) through story progression. I think it would add some incentive to try characters and also help Hoyoverse fix some characters lackluster kits.
I think they'd only make the Traveler do that, cause Amiya is like the "Main" Character. Similar to Paimon pretty much
this would be great for the starter 4*a but the traveller unfortunately already has this concept, each new region gives us a completely new kit for them
Maybe like Honkai? You can upgrade A to S and so on
@@AylanDerg Traveller is restricted though, their design philosophy has clearly been "like the archon, but worse." Unless the future archons start powercreeping the game, Traveller is never going to get better kits.
@@BlackGateofMordor I think when the traveller gets abilities with no archon to compare to (either what dain uses or their original power) they will probably actually be in the meta, well at least it will be a higher probability
Lisa burst AOE should be bigger, hit every single enemy inside it with the ticks of damage it does, add stacks of conduction to each enemy it hits, then with your idea which is to decrease cooldown of her E when she hits something on max stacks with her hold E
Kaeya has been around in team comps from the start. LISA found her way back onto teams as people finally got her to c6 after a while. Amber is the one that still cant find a home cause of how focuses her kit is on aimed shots.
Amber has her Elegy support stint in Hu Tao comps, but it's even more niche than the other two starting characters
Well there diffrent build Amber mains already created.
If you dont like aiming Go for a Ult Burst build for her she only need 40 energy so hebben a meldt built whould work with her in it. Or a baron Bunny build but you need aim on it this only Ment if you want the explosie build of the bunny.
As the person above said is also a good build it help for a Pyro build (if we talk only about Amber in a team build aaide from other Character we already know)
1 last build whould be a Anome/ Hydro build
For Anome you have: Traveler, Jean Sucrose and Kazuha the only characther who can grap Baron Bunny, dododo king & Mabey Gouba? with there ability.
Where with Traveler you Just suck Them up and they are in the tornado, with Jean you also suck Them in with the hold ability same with sucrose only with her charge Attack Them your build whould be the explosie build ( but correct me if im wrong about Sucrose, im not so sure she did but i have fuzzy memories when i did those two i know from the other).
While with Hydro, Mona works with Amber quit well die the fact her Alt need 2 sec delay where Amber Ult works with that time frame you can get a good reaction from Them Add Diano with it and you have already have a team the 4 person chould be Bennet for 2 Pyro user in a team or someone else.
Lisa c0 is also useful for Raiden Hypercarry teams if you don't have c6 sara
Amber is garbo
@@starblossom05 Bro, it hurt to read this- you have spelling and random capitalization errors all over....
Kaeya is definitely the most difficult to make on this hypothetical scenario since he's already a very complete unit to the point that the only reason you can say that Ayaka is better is because Ayaka just has bigger numbers and really nothing special to her. Wich kinda makes sense since she's in the game since CBT
And she can convert NA to Cryo, which make a full Cryo compliment her entire kit.
Kaeya required Chongyun to turn into make shift Ayaka.
In CBT, Ayaka deals almost the same damage as Kaeya, albeit a 10% higher.
After Ganyu's release, her kit was changed to make her competitive enough.
I haven't abandoned Kaeya, lol. I have him at level 90 and C6, and he's awesome!
How tf you have c6 Kaeya?
I have c0 Kaeya as a battery+cryo team buff with Ayaka. Honesty love the combo there
C6!?!?
I applaud you goddamn that must've taken SO long
@@inpinksuit the power of legendary luck
Power of a legend
I like how their elements. being the starters. are the typical basic elemental magic you would encounter in other rpg games within the mage class.
Actually, those three elements are also the three types of elemental damage you can deal in Honkai Impact 3rd(other game made by Hoyoverse), the only real differences being that they can come in different colors(Electro can be yellow or purple, etc.) and that the elements are called Fire, Ice, and Lightning. Therefore, it would also make sense if their elements came from Honkai. However, your point would actually still be correct, as Honkai probably chose their elements due to them being the most used elements.
AS someone that plays a no-wish account I can say that Kaeya IS one of the best characters. The plays very well with barbara and alloy for freeze or lisa and amber for damage reactions
I WAS SO CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT KINDA WEAPONS YOU WOULD USE UNTIL I THOUGHT OF THE EVENT WEAPONS UWHADIAOWD
sounds really difficult but hope you're having fun :D
@@AspynAeraki not really dificult. A favonious bow in the start by Quest and the rest by forging or event. The forging weapons are actually good and barbara does excelente healing with the prototype. Kaeya and traveler uses the elemental mastery one and Mara mappa is forgeble for lisa.
The game itself is not hard and without the looming "have to catch them ALL" the game is actually relaxing
agreed! i remember making a no-wish account a while ago and man it was so fun!! kaeya is insanely op
I've finally met my no-wishing people! Been hearing Kaeya's the best out of the three starters but I just like playing as Lisa more (probably because I happened to slap EM artifacts on her since I started playing lol). Now I use her with Xiangling and Xingqiu from Lantern Rite
Ngl Kinda disappointed you didn’t put a Peacock in Kaeya’s ult or smth. Since Diluc’s ult and constellation resemble a Pheonix and Owl and Kaeya’s constellation and clothing resembles a peacock
three peacock feathers in place of the icicles in his burst, with smaller, less-damage dealing normal icicles outside. how does that sound? it'sn ot as fancy as Diluc's but I feel like three entire peacocks is a bit much
I like your idea on Amber so I'll just add my ideas on top of that:
- Enemies around Baron Bunny have lowered DEF (I like the idea of Baron Bunny lowers your guard). Can be as much as Lisa's A4, but less than that is still acceptable.
- Instead of resistant to interruption (while it's convenient, it doesn't make sense for a light, small doll to stand its ground like a rock, while dancing), Baron Bunny only has 6s CD and starts with 2 charges. C4 adds it to 3.
- Baron Bunny gives 1 Pyro particles once every 3 hits. 3 Pyro particles when its explosion hits enemies. That way her CA doesn't have to generate energy.
- Instead of positioning, Amber will just put the Baron Bunny on her location before she rolls back (Diona/Mona/Ganyu style).
- Her burst can trigger Headshot stacking mechanics. The Headshot scalings is different from CA Lv. 2, naturally smaller, similar to how Ningguang's stones from NA and burst have different scalings.
Together with how her burst always targets the area around Baron Bunny, you have great sharpshooter playstyle. Cohesive, yet natural.
this was a really fun concept, i'd love to see this become a series where you adapt even more 4* characters into 5* ones! might i suggest noelle, razor and chongyun?
yeah!
I'd also like to suggest Thoma and Xinyan
Also qiqi and sayu
@@alice0795 qiqi is already a 5 star...
@@XirogaYT but reworking her kit would be nice
I would’ve made Lisa’s burst a bit different where instead of it being an AoE, opponents would get their own little lantern thing but it’d deal less damage than the AoE would so that it’d be easier to deal with opponents if they were to leave the AoE.
oooo good idea
I would've just had the AoE be bigger.. it's just so tiny compared to recent units.
Or maybe have it follow the character, like Gorou's burst.
or make it so that lisa's burst have a black hole
Or what about making her ult follow her like Goro
@@Daprincter1098 that’s a good one, but I’ve already seen a few suggestions with that, so I wanted to change it up a bit. But utility wise, it is better.
if we add thorns to lisa's kit, i would say we add a nerf: it makes her more of a taunt to enemies and gains their attention/priority higher than other items/people(?) like ley line monoliths (if her getting hit too much in that timeframe is an issue, we could make the casting take less time)
That’d be good and sorta useful in a way with the example you gave being the monolith. And if one of your co-op teammates is about to die you can distract opponents you can use Lisa so they can heal themselves. So it’s not really a nerf I guess, just an inconvenience if those conditions don’t apply.
Problem is in 4person coop you can't switch out, lisa would be the only prime target and... Well... Lisa is very squishy and you don't want to dodge all the time or build def on her. It's a nice idea but i think a bit over the top, having thorns is enough of a benefit I'd say. Maybe a 1sec thorn duration after pressing the elemental skill (works well with alternating normals) and another duration with 300% thorn dmg while holding the skill.
@@nilswi maybe if the taunt is too much we can just shorten the hold time just to make sure she gets less dmg
tbh we dont really need to nerf or balance these characters, i mean its a pve game n all about exploration , buffing them would only make the game much more better imo, (of course they can add like an evolution system in the game where we can increase every characters star level, 4 star to 5 star and 5 star to 6 star)
@@kxr9663 buffing them would only make the game easier, not better. And balancing helps to give every character a reason for existence. If there is a character straight up better in everything, the worse one will feel awful to play in comparison. On the other hand, if a unit is broken/insanely good, there won't be any difficulties or skills needed and the game gets very boring very fast.
I like these concepts, especially kaeya's kit. I think it's maybe a bit more broken than hoyo would make it, specifically the fact that if kaeya's frost had quadratic scaling, he would essentially be really good against large crowds of enemies. He'd be like a hybrid between a cryo childe and a cryo xiangling except his burst would have 100% uptime.
Man, i wish traveller was a 5 star as well, imagine how good they'd be-
oh wait.
traveler got worse stats than 4 stars
@@evencoldertea5905 My geo traveler about to ruin your career tho
@@evencoldertea5905 yeah but they can use multiple elements wich kinda covers for that
@@erastiesa they can only switch between elements while visiting statues though. Plus their skill level ups don’t carry through their element switches, and you have to get whole new artifacts for each one. They’re less “one decent character who can switch between elements” and more seven subpar characters, and you have to pick one.
@@skell6134 they talking about base stats. Anyone can make a weak character viable if they just grind all day or have really good luck
Traveler main here: and i took that personaly
but they are 5*
@@imnotrealyourenotreal they sure are hell don't feel like one
@@commandershepard5878 a character who can change elements does actually feel like a 5 star.lmao
Great ideas, I love 90 percent of them. For kaeya I think incorporating some form of ER scaling into his kit would be interesting. For Lisa as EM scaling would be cool.
I always thought greatly shortening Lisa's skill hold time was the best way of making it usable, but interruption/knockback immunity (like Raiden's Burst) along with thorn damage would be much more interesting. I'd also make it so releasing the trigger early does cast the skill but on a smaller area (possibly with less damage), in order to prevent players from abusing the super armour+thorns effect by channelling and cancelling just before cast to avoid triggering the skill's cooldown. Dashing and jumping would have to be either impossible or count as releasing the hold input to properly achieve this.
i only used starter character characters and traveler for a very long time and they are the first characters i leveled up to 90. i use kaeya everyday. he is my 6*
woah! did you not know you could wish or you just chose not to?
@@ayakastarebutnotpsychopath9834 for some reason i wasnt interested in other characters? i rolled but i didnt use new characters. it also led me to never using healers or shields. i started using new characters eventually but as far as i remember i used starter team all through out mondstadt and through the most part of the liyue. emotional connection is very important to me haha
@@user-yh1nb8ls4b oh yeah i get attached to using some characters too like with me keqing! still have her in my party since i got her. her playstyle is kinda fun to me
Noelle should be a staring character, she is the first character like 90% of people got.
Yeah but she’s not necessarily free I guess, you can get her but you don’t have to, so I don’t think she counts
Well i'm not in that 90% xD first was Bennett
i got noelle after like months my 1st was ningguang
This actually reminds me of Another Eden, since we're able to upgrade our starter units from 3* to 5* (highest rarity) via story progression
It's mostly adding more base stats and new/enhanced skills to the base kit since it's a turn-based strategy, but would like to see something similar like that to genshin :o
lisa's stacks can inflict a defense lowering debuff that increases with each stack
But that would be waay too op as a dps and also a very fast DEF shredder support
@@sli30man46 Which is why we make her a support, she has the most potential for support of the three as she's a Catalyst user and shreds DEF (Plus works in Superconduct teams well), make her skill a nuke but gimp her normal and charged attack damage
And also you have to remember, she's a 5* now, Kazuha reduces enemy resistance by 40%, increases Elemental damage by up to like 50%, groups enemies up, deals constant high damage swirls and if we throw Cons and weapons into this we also have an extra 20%-40% Attack boost as well as 16-32% N/C/P attack damage and 200 EM. Lisa getting a little bit of DEF shred is fine
In all my 36* clears, I have used Lisa as a support to my Eula Raiden team, so I am interested in how the def shred would work
Funny how you showed Kiana's different forms as an example of the same character being released multiple times. Valkyrie Ranger/Void Drifter is actually what I often see as the best solution to "fixing" underwhelming characters: alternate forms of an existing character. In Honkai Impact 3rd, these were obtained through Augment Cores, which would change a lot of the base skillset while keeping the character intact, and could be turned off and on in character status. I want to see something like that for Genshin as well - an augmentation system that portrays a character state in the past, or reflects growth from a character arc, and turns it into an alternate moveset.
Fantastic video, as always!
Seeing a rework of the different traveler elements could be interesting
I like the dodge mechanic for amber because, if there's a mechanic that most people are familiar is i-frames dodge rolls. Even without reading much to it, its really easy to assume how it works. For Kaeya, I feel that if instead of a cone, his e had a more circular motion like Eula's tap or hold as well as Yunjin's skill, then his hit boxes would feel just more dynamic and cool to play. And for lisa...a 5 star Lisa should just have the 3 stacks immediately when you switch to her. And instead a tap E that makes a massive aoe like Sucrose's skill or Mona's Ult that applies a debuff or self buff, while her ult is the detonator. Be the epitome of, she's ticking time bomb and her combo is delete or sink.
Really cool stuff, I'd love to see cool changes.
This is such a fun concept too. I've been trying to make my own genshin character froma gameplay standpoint, this is giving me some inspiration to return to that project
always been tickled by your ideas and dreams about this game. i got really surprised when your prediction about the ocean-hued clam set was quite literally brought into the game. Keep up the good work and the creativity you bring :)
Instead of larger aoe for lisa's tap skill, it would be better for it to bounce between nearby enemies to a certain extent
Her skill already does that lol
Use Overloaded or Superconduct, the AoE from the Reactions count towards the conductive charges. Say you have 3 enemies inflicted with pyro, using the tap skill gives them all 3 charges if they are close enough together.
Doesn't work for the 2nd ascension passive though for some reason.
I've always really liked my idea of Lisa's burst becoming a chandelier instead of a lamp if she ever got an upgrade. If it does happen, it'd be cool of hoyoverse to at least update the starter characters' attack effects to be more epic
Great ideas! I hope this becomes a series
Omg yess. I would love to see him redesign Ningguang or Beidou as 5* characters
Quick change for Lisa: Maybe as new C2.I want to lean fully into her reaction Electro (sub) dps role with her EM ascension stat:
Electro-related reactions trigger Conductive stacks on enemies (this currently happens with her E but lets expand it to her NA, CA and burst too) and reduce her E cooldown by 0.5seconds.
Make her like THE best Thundering Fury user :D
Great video! Love the ideas! The "Frost" mechanic you thought of for Kaeya is an idea I've had for a Cryo Catalyst DPS unit haha. Nice to hear it adapted for Kaeya.
thank you for making this, this is one of the things i like imagining and its fun to see what other people think
This was such a fun and original video idea :D
I loved your ideas!
Great video, I’ll love to see more like this
this is definitely one of your most fun and interesting videos, redflaim :)
Love your Amber update ideas really make her unique but not op. really creative! fro kaeya i think what he has already is really good most dont use him because he is a starter. i think it would be cool if when in his bust his skill hit wider. as for lisa i think the thorns idea works really well. for her burst it should travel with the active hero like gouro's bust and have the attack buff scale off her em since her assension stat is that
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There’s sign posts that suggest he’s living around qingce village in private. There’s text about how an old man thought he saw his friend who he hasn’t seen in years, and how he could recognize that amazing gliding anywhere.
Edit:Eula also talks about asking Yanfei help trying to find a certain someone, which could be Amber’s grandpa considering he’s the one that more or less took her under his wing.
kaeya is already a 5-star chills
Thanks for sharing the insight
I played Girls Frontline a lot and they added a ‘mod’ system where older 3 and 4 star units could be upgraded to a mod variant through special in-game materials. The mods usually increased base stats and gave them new passives without touching the characters main ability. Keeps the role and identity of the character while empowering them significantly.
this was super interesting i want to ask you to do a series on this making 4 star chars have 5 star kits
"which you've abandoned forever"
Me, a Kaeya main: Kaeya take this new 5 star sword I rolled anything for u bby 😩
As someone who has actually built Lisa and has her on my main team I think your improvements are really good!
When I found out more about Kaeya's backstory, it briefly crossed my mind that we might get some upgraded version of him in the future, but that it couldn't be an actual new character because that would hurt the people who actively invested in him now. Apart from your suggestion which I also shared, I considered maybe higher value outfits (like gacha specific or more expensive shop ones?) might affect battle mechanics. Kind of like a stance change based on the outfit. This would suck if you had specific skins you liked for a character though so probably not, but I did hear there's something like this in hi3. I don't play so I can't be sure but yeah. I'd hope that these characters get more than just an indirect buff, but true buffs that will only improve people's current investment/encourage new players to invest
But it's gonna be so hard for them to implement anything special or unique into Kaeya's kit. Kaeya's kit is just too plain and simple for them to do anything with it of magnitude. He's a complete character, so what is there to fix? What they do in Honkai, is that they have different versions of the character that you can pull for in the gacha and each version has different game mechanics. But idk, it's either that or Kaeya just won't be upgraded ever. Which would suck, but this is Hoyo. It'd be a miracle if he actually gets any relevance too. I feel like he's gonna have like 3 dialogues about what he heard his Khaenri'ahn grandpa said when he was 6 years old and then send us to find stuff ourselves and that's it 😭😭
@@loola8908 listen. I mean no offense, but if Yanfei got relevancy in another permanent AQ as a main role then I am almost certain that with Kaeya’s background he’ll get an important role. Then again we just have to wait and see
@@firefoxphoenix6845 The issue with Kaeya is the fact that he's a starter. Quests aren't just there for lore and story, they're also there for marketing and advertising the character. Insighting the player to get them. Yanfei, although a 4 star, is on Limited Banners and you can pull multiple times trying to get her on a 5-star character banner (that's how a lot of people accidently get 5 stars they don't want). So Hoyo could still make money out of Yanfei. Kaeya/Amber/Lisa aren't on any banners. There's no money Hoyo can make out of them, not even a little. That's my biggest gripe with Hoyoverse. They made a character from KHANERI'AH the most *important* region in the whole game....a free character. Why???
@@loola8908 they're on standard, just hard to obtain. like, real hard. i've gotten kaeya off standard like, twice. c2, and i've been playing for almost a year by now.
Hi Redflaim. I would like you to know that I really miss your videos regarding character designs. I always check if you new every Genshin updates. I wish you could continue doing those contents if you have free time. I hope you can do Yelan and Kuki. 🙏🏻
This video idea is so creative!
It's funny, I actually never thought of using charged shots on Dvalin until I saw this video. Thanks! :)
Your idea for Kaeya's kit is fun, but I think mine is a little bit better for bosses:
- Every enemies hit by Kaeya's E will get a Frost Mark. It lasts as long as Childe's Riptide Mark.
- Hitting enemies afflicted by Frost Mark with Kaeya's Q unleashes small AoE Cryo damage. The AoE is as big as Childe's Riptide Slash. Can be triggered every 0.1s.
- Rather than healing with his E, freezing enemies with his Q will apply or refresh the duration of the Frost Mark.
This way Kaeya's default C2 and C6 would be deadly. Oh and he will have good synergies with CC. Indirectly buffs synergy with Sayu because she is the best at rolling in-between the enemies.
I loved them all, especially Kaeya! I am really enjoying Genshin's philosophy to center characters kit around a mechanic, like Yun Jin and Gorou, for example, so, yeah, nice job!
Your idea for giving Keaya riptides is a really interesting idea. I personally just thought about making his C1 similar to Beidou C4, that way auto attacks can be good in a cryo build without forcing a infusion, locking him out of physical builds. Than I would change his shield to also work like Beidou/Yanfei.
I think back then when Gershon released u can get the starter characters in character banner be I saw people getting amber in Klee banner and Kanya in Zwingli banner
True but only a small part of the community only got it die the fact there where view Character in game. But if you tell this to people in Community they never believe it yet you need explain Them there where not much Character like now aswell it had many problem back too like glitch and erros. Even now people quastion f2p account how they got Fishle or Diona
Enjoyed this video a lot, some other characters that would be fun to theory craft an upgrade for would be delusion Diluc, Xiangling (or let's be honest, really it's just guoba) and of course: Xinyan since she seems among the most slept on.
I really love these ideas RedFlaim. It makes me wish this was how they actually worked in game. If only Genshin would do this. I still use the starter characters but it would be cool if this was a reality.
For amber i think E should be like a sticky bomb where you can throw it and it will stick to enemies if you hit them directly with baron bunny. It'll dance on top of the stucked target and will taunt the enemies to hit the enemies instead. If thats to OP then that could work as a constellation i think. That along with your idea of the ult landing where baron bunny is would do wonders i feel.
Same Idea i though it whould be funny and good Idea that Baron Bunny whould be the sticky Bob and at the same time attract other nearby Enemy to that one so when you schoot it explode
I think that adding a taunt to lisa's ultimate would thematically fit and would drastically aide with the issue of enemies walking out of her hold e range
what if kaeyas ult makes his attacks into cryo while also having the ice rings, he also gets a normal attack buff. His elemental skill could also do a debuff and his passive healing would be higher
actually there is hint on where amber grandfather is but it very vague so many people might miss it, i think he return to Liyue cause there is a notice board in Quingce village mention someone had return from being missing 30-40+ years
I would really like Lisa to have:
1) Press E skill changed to Chain Lightning with 3 charges(CD is the same). Chain Lightning hits up to 3 targets applying Conductive Status of its first target.
2) Hold E skill summon Lightning Strikes around Lisa(CD of Hold E is separate from Press E).
2.2) Charges are consumed increasing the Lightning Strike Damage by 20% per charge(Fourth Ascension)
3) Q Skill applies Conductive Status per hit(First Ascension)
Conductive Status Decreases Electro Resistance by 10% per stack max 50%
C1: Lisa regenerates 4 Energy whenever any of her attacks causes a reaction even when off field.(CD 2seconds)
C2: Holding Violet Arc creates an Electro Shield around Lisa, absorbing up to 50% of Lisa's max HP. Reduces Violet Arc(Hold) CD by 3 seconds every time an electro reaction is caused by any of Lisa's attacks.(CD 2seconds)
C4: Violet Arc Lightning Bolt Hits Twice. Lightning Rose Attacks chain to 2 additional nearby enemies .
C6: Lightning Rose Slowly Follows the Active Character and duration is increased by 5 seconds. Applies 3 Stacks of Conductive Status when Lisa Switches in.(CD 5 seconds)
amber's grandfather actually came to qingce village! there was a board near the watermill that explains it but it'll need a long time for the texts to rotate
amber's kit sounds genuinely fun and would love it if they do that.
I have to change my playstyle tho since rn I'm playing physical amber (aa/cac)
Current Kaeya with C2 is pretty good as Burst Support together with Hu Tao for Melts. With these improvements, they could do much more damage I'm sure
Here's my buff to Lisa:
- She only takes 1s to have full AoE on her E. After that, the hold duration remains the same.
- A1: Her burst applies conductive stacks when hitting enemies rather than her CA. Priorities enemies with lower stacks. This synergies well with her C4.
That aside, I like your idea on her A4. Altogether, this will make her a great quickswap DPS.
i absolutely love the starters and i hope they do get some kind of plot relevance at least even if they dont upgradr their kits or smthn
This… Actually sorta inspired me to try and make a 5 star lisa design 😳
i REALLY like the idea of lisa having a thorns effect !!!!!
For Lisa I would change the hold for Violet arc to have her spin and stop time, while time is stopped you can set up enemies into the radius within a 10 second timer if you fail to have her on the field when the time ends the lightning won’t strike
cool video!
Really liked this, and as an amber main I'm pretty happy with what you came up with.
Though (and this is really just a me thing) I don't really like the two charge stage idea for her charge shot.
I feel like it just too similar to ganyu even if it doesn't do AoE.
My idea would be that for however long baron bunny is on the field the charge time for her charge attack will decrease for X%
I think this would work better with the kit since it gets rid of one of her flaws which is slow DPS and vulnerability while also tying into the kit really nicely.
It works really well with C4 and works good with baron bunny getting more hp when you level up, this makes it so that even if baron bunny doesn't hit anything it still has other utility to make up for it's poor range.
Heck this could even work if you wanted it to apply to all bow characters like ganyu, which would really speed up her DPS.
Other than that I'm really happy with it.
Though I think you kinda forgot that she can have two baron bunnies on the field, so would it only go to the first one or would it go to both in exchange for both of the charges being on cooldown?
"every character must be unique"
Hoyoverse: *releases a 5 star with the exact same burst as a 4 star*
When lisa is casting her hold elemental skill, thorns could appear around her as a part of an armour which grants her increased resistance. They won't be invincible, of course but would do some damage to enemies who attack her
I think this will be pretty cool
For amber something I would wanna see is giving her the abilities she shows in the manga of infusing other characters with pyro, and shield generation. Granted Xinyan/C4 Yanfei already make pyro shields. Burst localised on baron bunny is a fantastic idea.
It would make him more similar to Childe but for Kaeya I think it would synergise better for him if the application exploded on crits to go with the cryo resonance. Would make him still better against mobs than bosses but still a bit of utility vs single targets. And hey while it would be kinda like childe, it would also give them amazing synergy lol.
Lisa's an interesting one: I think having her burst also apply stacks, and increasing the maximum stacks while the burst is active would be a nice starting point. The thorns armour effect makes a lot of sense too. As I do tend to favor off field support effects for the starters, perhaps extending this thorns effect to allies within the field of her burst during it's duration would be a good one too. Or letting her reposition the lantern with her skill hold.
I like this idea i would think that once you get to a certain point like maybe once you get yo ar 40 or smthng you can upgrade the starter characters except for traveler which dendro has buffed the traveler a lot but i think all of the other travelers with their elements should get a buff in their respective area’s
One thing I wanna add to baron bunny is making aiming her easier, perhaps similar to how you’d aim ushi with Itto. For me, holding baron bunny to aim with the distance only being able to increase once u start holding it feels very inconvenient if I’m looking to aim it closer
i love these ideas a lot! if they're not planning to upgrade the standard characters though, making them available on limited banners so we can easily get constellations would be a good way to upgrade them as well 😭
on top of the upgrades, maybe Amber could have the effect from Slingshot, the one that makes you do more damage the closer you are
it would make her having 2 dashes more useful
Honestly, I would like your input on what makes a 5 star a 5 star in terms of kit. And see if you have ideas on how to make other 4 star characters 5 stars.
I hope they add sp or augment cores to power them up somewhere down the line
4:16 the gameplay was perfect 👌
Try to combine Benny's "thumb up" and Amber ( c6 ) burst. Characters like Hu Tao, ayaka, or any one who excelling on basic attack will be happy with those combo
Funny story giving an alternate version makes sense since most of the stories of the character are not finished like Bennett or Xiangling (check their voicelines, it heavily implies that their path is not over, compared to most of 5 stars, an exception of a 5 star that storywise implies that is missing something is Jean).
Honkai actually has a similar mechanic called augument cores similar to the upgrade to 5* feature you mentioned. (Not really a tier upgrade tho, just alternate skills and skins) It's unlikely, but I hope they do something along those lines.
Another idea for Lisa E: Have it deal occasional build-up electro damage as it's charging, which increases in amount and follows the display AoE up to a maximum, which is reached when the charge is complete. When the maximum charge is held for one second, the periodic aoe damage doubles in frequency.
This creates a risk reward scenario where players essentially risk taking damage on a relatively squishy character and sacrifice mobility for increasing amounts of damage, and if they time their release correctly, they get to have their cake and eat it too.
0:35 actually, iirc i’m pretty sure he like, retired to qingce village or something? or at least showed up there idk, but the bulletin board there mentions him
I loveee Lisa, and I wish she was more viablee. So I'm just gonna leave my random idea for her burst bcuz I wanna. So instead of increasing skill damage/decreasing cool down, I came up with a new system called "positive charge" where if an enemy is hit with the initial casting (or just stands within the aoe at some point) they gain the status of "Pos. Charged" and they're marked until the end of the duration of the burst. When they're marked with this status, even if they leave the aoe they're still hit constantly hit by the rose, but just weaker the further they get. Also if an enemy has this status, they gain all 3 conductive stacks with just one application of the skill/charged attack. Idk, I just randomly thought of this while scrolling the comments and I wanted to see what others thought, I think it sounds cool conceptually at least
If you wanna build charges fast, use the skill to cause Overloaded or Superconduct(Electro Charged doesn't work). For some reason, the AoEs from the reactions adds a conductive stack(per reaction) making it possible to add 3 stacks from one press.
@@kaptinkitten3683 yea I've done that and it's cool that it works that way. Just sucks that superconduct doesn't do very good damage and overload throws the enemies away lol
I love Kaeya, I built him not too long ago. Got him to lv90 partially for the memes, but also since I don't have Ganyu I use him as a replacement in spiral abyss in freeze teams. Sadly only have him at C2, I really wish the constellations for the starters were easier to get, I'd really like him to be C6
The reflect damage on lisa is really good, will look like aquila favonia
The starter characters + Lumine were the first characters I leveled up to lv 90 lol. I don’t use Amber or Lisa that often because of their attack styles. I kept Kaeya in my team for a long time and still add him in for domains often. He’s the only one at C5 while poor Lisa and Amber have been left in the dust by RNGesus at C1.
I kind of want to rebuild my Amber, Lisa, and Lumine now for the nostalgia of playing the starter team.
Oh yeah, I like the Ult change firing extra waves of volley arrows 👌🏻. It is also my proposal for Amber to copy Ruin Cruiser aka. the Junk Doritos's laser volley ability
honestly if Amber and Lisa got new skills when they upgrade, i'd probably play them
i think if Lisa had a 3 part skill sorta like Diluc, where she shoots a line of electro, then a cone, and these 2 apply stacks and then the third part hit every enemy with stacks for massive damage
for Amber i'd like her to have a different skill aswell, and have her baron bunny be a big burst that chains explosions or something, similar function as her current burst
and maybe inccrease the ranges or aoes of their skills
Id just do that the hold e is cast instantly when enemies with 3 stacks are in a certain radius of Lisa
Yeah, basically include her C6 into her base kit
Id love to hear something about a barbara and qiqi rework.. tho this might just be a healer characters in general. In addition I think it would be interesting to point out some of the weirdly misplaced abilities or passives in the game. My prime example for this is Childe increasing your teams normal attacks by 1, when he himself barely uses them and even in teams he's in this passive seems utterly useless. It looks like an amazing passive for a support character tho.
I really like suggested upgrades for the character, especially Amber! Don't know if I have hope that Hoyoverse will give us an opportunity to improve old characters like that, but I'd love if they did!