Been reading up on the VPAF during the war and you have to give them credit for making the most of the few planes they had, using their radar network to best effect, and taking advantage whenever American tactics gave them an opportunity.
tbf this was the point in time were US and Soviet aircraft were kinda on par with each other since the USAF shot themselves in the foot with the Century series fighters
@@andrewyoung365 the problem with them was that they were all design for a theoretical all out Nuclear War with the Soviet Union in mind hence the focus on Interceptors and Fighter-Bombers to the point that the only true Fighter in the group being the F-100 Super Sabre was more of a fighter-bomber than a fighter. the war fought in Vietnam was something these aircraft never designed to fight in and it showed if you look at the USAF record during the early stages of Vietnam this is also the reason why the USAF was initially using the much inferior AIM-4 Falcon missals instead of the much better USN AIM-7 Sparrow missals as the AIM-4 was designed to shoot down bombers like the Tu-16 and Tu-95 with either a conventional (AIM-4) or nuclear warhead (AIM-26), not agile soviet fighters like the Mig-17 or Mig-21with conventional warheads which bite the USAF in the ass during the initial air battles in Vietnam
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 It was also not just the hardware. Early on in Vietnam, they were using tactical fighters in a strategic way - i.e., they'd fly in formation, coming in at the same altitude, airspeed and direction - because "the brass" was still very much in a "bomber mindset," especially early on. It wasn't until later that pilots began improvising ways to hit the targets that took advantage of a fighter's flexibility and flight leaders' creativity. Hitting targets from different directions at different intervals, popping up and diving to the targets, jink on egress, etc. By the way, the F-100 Super Sabre (or "Hun") was used with great effectiveness as forward air controllers ("FAC" or "Misty FAC").
Well, it's kind of weird to see this represented quite this way. The North Vietnamese were very much guided by their GCI (ground control intercept), following strict Soviet doctrine. It'd be one shot at the Thuds - hit and run - and then pretty much regroup and be vectored to the following group of aircraft to hit the area, all guided by ground radar. Not really given to hang around and dogfight for various reasons, not the least of which because they didn't have many planes to begin with. On top of that, the Thud was built for speed (mainly to drop nuclear bombs on a supersonic dash across Soviet targets), so they'd just lit the burners and be only a distant memory for those MiGs (the 105 wasn't much of a dogfighter). Guns and SAMs were the main worry.
That untrue. Americans were the ones who played unimaginative attack patterns. While the interception doctrine of the People's Air Force of Vietnam was based on ground control communication, they exerted free will of fight in the air, sometimes avoiding communicating for maximun surprise effect. That's the only way to survive in a 30:1 threat scenario.
@@ubuntuperonista5465 The American tactics weren't as unimaginative as they were hindered by political restrictions. The Johnson administration micro-managed the war to the extent that they'd go in the same way everytime, at the same time of day, same altitudes, etc., with targets that were known well in advance. The Rules of Engagement kept the Americans from attacking the MiG airfields (Phuc Yen and Kep the most well-known). There was also the "Chinese Buffer zone," 30 miles from the Chinese border, to where the MiGs would run and the Americans couldn't follow, and another miles-diameter ring around Hanoi itself during much of Rolling Thunder. "Free will," as you put it, may have veen exercised on ocassion, which in fact generally worked in favor of the Americans. But the North Vietnamese tactics were generally hit and run : make the Thuds drop their bomb load and try not to lose the precious few aircraft you do have - one of the few ways you can survive against an enemy with vastly superior resources. The Americans actually had to be very creative to find ways to circumvent these restrictions at the unit level. The advent of the Wild Weasel SAM suppression tactics, for example, were in part a direct response to being forbidden to destroy known SAM sites until they had first fired at them. Another would be Operation Bolo, in which F4 Phantoms posed as F-105s (mimicking call signs, altitudes, airspeeds, approach vectors, etc.) to "bait" the MiGs into attacking the F4s - this was highly successful, with 7 MiGs destroyed and no losses to the Phantoms. From a Vietnamese MiG pilot's perspective, there wouldn't have been much room to do somwthing too different, when you consider that they had to operate within such a complex system of SAMs, AAA and MiGs, which itself had to be carefully managed and coordinated.
@championszz Wow. Well, ironically I do agree with a lot of your points - the NVA did precisely what they needed to do to take advantage of the situation. I don't see where in my posts do I imply that utilizing hit and run tactics was in any way "wrong" or "dishonorable," etc. I simply stated facts. I also think you grossly misunderstand my "mindset." There is much debate, to this day, as to what the rules of engagement (ROE) actually accomplished, and if China would've been drawn into the war, which was the main concern at the time. This is especially ironic, because I do agree with "hawkish" mindsets leading to catastrophe. But man, you're way off the mark here, when it comes to what I tried to convey in my responses. I do differ in that in my opinion there were ways that the airwar could've been fought, and still stay within the limitations called for by the political considerations.
There is too many information from manyside, US usually tell their loss is from ground force but when a pilot is shooted down, they dont sure about who is the attacker, only striker does. Forcus on consequen US Airforce launch "Topgun" for a reason.
It’s maneuverable that’s really all it had and turn rate was really only useful in the early stages of Vietnam when the missiles were bad but once the missiles got better it’s age started to show
@@Spacedude-jq2dq Plus, there was a qualitative difference between the 21 and the 17. The MiG Design Bureau did a fabulous job with the 21. Great, simple supersonic aircraft.
People keep saying but the F-105 is faster, but the thing is at slow speeds the Mig-17 had higher rates of acceleration, that is why throughout the Vietnam war, the Mig's constantly took them out.
Vietnamese pilots were the best ever foreign pilots to sit inside me alongside the Indians. Tho they still surprisingly fought better in my subsonic parents than me.
@@Alex-cw3rz the phantom was better than the mig 17 in every way possible . The mig 21 was a better match for the phantom .but the phantom still came out on top
@@Z46Edelweiss-001don't respect the country, respect the 24 year old somewhere that wants to go to college but he gets shot in the face in the army , nobody wants to do this
The part where the n.v.a.f. pilot drops his gear to slow thr aircraft because he's blacked out from the high g maneuver is sick af. I wonder if they were really trained to perform that in the even of a blackout?! This is pretty cool
@@robwernet9609 Under high g and trong turn sometime landing gear just accidentally dropped out. This accident was confirm by general Tran Hanh- the only Mig-17's pilot that survived after Ham Rong battle you saw in vid , and some memoirs of other VPA Mig's pilots. Sorry for my bad English.
@@robwernet9609 Wings can rip if you pull to hard a maneuver (old planes, new planes are only at the limit of the pilot) so gears on this mass produced plane would deffinetly come out if pulled to hard.
Great job (although there maybe a little Hollywood in the scenes). I mean its about time the Vietnamese Pilots especially their ace pilots should share their stories. We have seen the US pilots side of how they downed the MIG. For me there nothing but admiration and respect for both sides.
DANG GOOD VIDEO...WE LOST SO MANY YOUNG MEN ON BOTH SIDES...AND NOW WE ARE NO LONGER HATING EACH OTHER...WE ON SAME SIDE OF LIVING LIFE...LETS WE FORGET...REMEMBER THOSE WHO DID THEIR DUTY IN UNIFORM.
My grandfather told me that in the past, my grandmother was sexually assaulted by 3 American soldiers and killed in front of him when he was hit by 2 bullets.
Tiếng Anh This film is in memory of the 3 fallen pilots. for the Fatherland, for the family, for the freedom of the Vietnamese people, vietnamese Bộ phim này là để tưởng nhớ 3 phi công đã hy sinh. vì Tổ quốc, vì gia đình, vì tự do của dân tộc Việt Nam,
@@kneedeepinbluebells5538 They are living peacefully in their homeland. Then one day Americans from the other side of the globe dropped bombs on their homes, killing their loved ones. "It's all about communism"? So funny!
It's because Of aerial bombings, not in ground fights, if the us didn't fight the Vietcong with no air force, the Vietcong will likely overpower U.S army, due to the superior tactics of the Vietcong, it the reason why you should shut up@@Astyrical
Thank you, It isn't conflict, it's invasion, they drop tens of millions tons of bombs and toxic chemicals on my country then they said they protect the peace and it happen to Iraq, Syria, and Libya
This is complete north Vietnamese propaganda, even worse then U.S propaganda, at least the U.S would use a modern equivalent. Mig-17 was outdated junk compared to F-105, and realistically in Vietnam air vs air, the U.S vastly outclassed Vietnam in every role. Most U.S planes were shot down with SAM's, not by other planes.
@@makakura055 The Vietnamese had some badass aces don't get me wrong, but when you look at aircraft shot down you can see how the U.S was far more dominant in there technology. Yes far more U.S planes where shot down by all methods, (2,251 planes, each one serving different roles from reconnaissance to tanker aircraft) as the U.S had more planes at there disposal. The Vietnamese Airforce lost almost every fighter they had by the end of the war. the kill to loss ratio of the American F-4 Phantom was 3:1, while the Mig-21 was 1:2. There were 269 American, and Vietnamese aircraft shot down in air to air combat, only 76 of the planes shot down happened to be American. Also just an off topic fact, the modern F-15 has a kill to loss ratio of 102:0 making it undefeated.
@@makakura055 The North Vietnamese air force had excellent ground-controlled intercept radar to direct its planes, U.S. Air Force radar coverage ranged from spotty to nonexistent over assigned strike routes. Aircrews operated with little more than their eyes to guide them. Fighters escorting the bomb-carrying aircraft never knew where the threat would come from and therefore normally stayed close to the planes they were protecting so they wouldn’t be caught out of position during an attack. All of that makes it even more impressive the American jet fighters had much better kill ratios.
105 really needed Phantom escorts. By the late 1966 the Air Force had concluded that the Thud, although a capable fighter bomber, couldn't handle the 17 on its own. When the MiG-21 platform came along, the need for Phantom air cap became a necessity. The VPAF pilots were damn good on their own. Their skill makes Operation BOLO, led by Robin Olds of 8th Fighter Wing, that much greater of an achievement.
The American Air Force lost over 60 aircraft in the first 20 days of the official war in Vietnam to North Vietnamese Migs. I would say that number is even higher, but will never know? The American planes had very little chance against the brand new Mig-17/19 and 21/s flown by an Air Force that was highly trained and very disciplined! The worst mistake the U.S.A. made was when they took the gun off the F-4 Phantoms. Big respect to the people of Vietnam and their Air Force!
From an unbiased perspective I can say that the f-4 phantom was a better aircraft than the mig 17 by a very long shot, the mig 19 by a long shot and the mig 21 by a bit. Although it did t have a gun the sidewinder missiles would require you to sustain incredible g’s to dodge and also were hard to see as they would come from behind you. Your seat would block your view and you would get tunnel vision adding even more to the chance that you would not see them. The Vietnamese pilots were also not trained well especially compared to the American pilots. Adrian Lawrence your statement is very very very wrong, also the ones shot down were mostly outdated a-4 Skyhawks and generally cumbersome f-105s. Do your research before you comment my guy.
The only real advantage a MiG-17 had over an F-105 was agility. There were many occurrences where a MiG-17 would get in behind a 105 to try and take a shot but the 105 could always light it’s burner and accelerate away. Speed was about the only advantage a 105 had because in a dogfight it was a bear.
@@bradenhagen7977 The k-13 named atoll by NATO,kinda rhymes doesn't it. Was used by the north vietnamese airforce on their mig21 aircraft and fired using a hit and run tactic.
@@kenmtb If f105 still have it's bomb then yes it will be at a significant disadvantage after dropping them it's speed is comparable to thr phantom and mig21 or even faster but will still hold a disadvantage when it comes to maneuvering (dodging missle)
It could tho, and no F-105 coundt go supersonic. Even if it did, supersonic is around 1000km. Mig-21 goes 2000km... Phantom too. Mig-17 goes around 1000km. So thats BS
@@stilpa1 mate im talking when it have already ejected its payload and flying straight on the deck the mig31 barely holds itself ehen going mach 1 sea level because the engine when after burning(which is requiered to hit and hold mach 1) would turn the plane inside out on the deck going mach 1
There are many wrong technical things but the quality of graphics are extraordinary well done !! I think these short movies is the response to all those American documentaries that show american victories. In the begining we see Migs coming from High altitude to intercept yankees under them . I think its wrong because Migs 17 are designed to give there best in low and medium altitude .
that why the US fighter didn't think that we would strike from the higher altitude. In spite of poor technology, we took advantage of surprise elements to shot them down.
@@apanzerdivisionwithinterne6789 of course we cannot beat US fleet. but we could give them casualty which makes them to be careful when flyling over North Vietnam sky. our mission never was take down the whole us fighters but shot down enough B52 bombers to force them into Paris Peace Accords.
actually the only way migs could have had a small chance to reach in firing range of f-105 was that diving from higher altitude to them, because f-105 is mach 2 super sonic jet with after burner with much higher rate of climb.....even diving from high altitude i wonder how on earth mig -17 could catch them
@championszz North vietnamese had good fighters , almost equal to american , mig-21,19,17 was not bad fighters at all , but vietnamese fighters had lower flight training and also operating foreign made machines , and us casualties was mostly due to AAA batteries and SAM rockets , i think if they had russian pilot they could make it equal in the skies and even achieve air superiority , combining SAM systems and Numerous AAA batteries and fighter jets . (us lost 3700 fixed wing planes while north vietnam lost 161 aircrafts of all sort) but even now we talking North vietnamese shot many many us aircrafts like 450 phantom and 250 f-100 its a great achievment, those were expensive machines. while for example in iran iraq war , f-4 phantoms totally dominated iraqi migs of all sort (mig-21 , mig-31 ,su -22 ,mirage f1 , super etendard )(kill ratio 150:35) with very one sided kill ratio.....as you said the operator of the machine makes big diffrence
I love how people are"f105 is faster bla bla" , yes it is but they arent constantly engaging afterburner ,otherwise they wouldnt even reach the target area. For most of their flight they flew in subsonic,to conserve fuel and with all the bombs they carried they fell back into the speed range of the mig17.
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That is the first generation of Vietnam airforce, the characters in this documentary is just graduate in Soviet and this is the first battle of Vietnam airforce so they still rookie at that time without experience. You can see 1pilot crashed himself when try to escape US pilot. The USA just confirm 1 win but VPA confirm 3 loss.
Vietnamese pilots fought for the happiness of their women and children. What did American pilots fight for? For the fact that financial and industrial businessmen would get rich... Greetings from the Russians to the Vietnamese comrades.
The US troops thought they were fighting for freedom against the spread of communism. I as an American have deep respect for the North Vietnamese as they fought against imperialist powers. The only issue is that they were communist. I still respect them, God bless the brave men on both sides of this war.
Throughout the Second Indochina War, North Vietnam lost 132 fighter aircraft (1 MiG-15UTI, 63 MiG-17, 8 MiG-19 & 60 MiG-21) and a single Il-28 bomber. By comparison, the anti-communist coalition lost over 5,000 military aircraft (out of which 3,744 were lost by the United States).
That seems a bit misleading when you compare the amount of aircraft fielded by the Americans vs the Vietnamese. The US had more aircraft to be shot down that were being used more regularly.
So Vietnamese airforce lost 132 planes to shot down 3744 US planes? Where do you read this in SovietPedia? Have you ever heard about worn planes, damaged planes, crashed aircrafts in flight, flak shot down, human flying errors: planes that is economical better leave there than repair them? Obviously this war was a failure for US, but not in the air for sure! You can't paragonate US trillion flight hours with Vs thousand flight hours.
Sure! Vietnamese pilots are real heros defending their land. In 20 century , 3 superpowers were humiliated and defeated by viets : France, US and China in 1979 war. Moreover, they libarated Cambodia from genocidal bloody Polpot which killed 3 millions people. Deep respect!
Jesus is coming soon Jesus is the only savior and judge Psalms 50chapter 15. And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
@@aloyoshenka2809 It all depends on the training and aircraft used. Had the F-4s and F-105s been escorted by Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighters, I'm sure they would've done better. The US also had to follow specific rules of engagement that the Vietcong didn't have to.
@@Tigershark_3082 wow this comment section is full of dumbasses. Mate there are no f4s in this video. F-4s (the ones used in Vietnamese the f-crazy had no guns BUT the sidewinders they carrier were in real life nearly impossible to dodge especially with a well aimed shot. Also, f-4s are fighters (fighter bombers) the f-4s were used as escorts later in the war. The ones you see shooting at the (inferior and outdated) migs were f-100s. The fact that the migs were able to catch up is super unrealistic, the f-100 had much better acceleration top speed and energy retention than the mig 17. Also f-5 freedom fighters were few and far between in the war, the main fighter escort in the middle and late war were f-4s. F-100s were only used in the very beginning. Do your research mate!
@@Tigershark_3082 also this is set in the beginning of the war in about 1955-1956 ish. The freedom fighters entered service in 1972 which by the. The f-4 had been upgraded to the much superior F-4E version making the f-5a not so useful. Also the F-5A was used under the name F-C in the US air force
@Nhat Anh Hoang fair enough, lets address the ammo issue in this video, then. The mig 17 irl had 80 shells for its 2 23mm's and 40 for the 37mm. If thats the case, how come the migs in this video are firing away without any trigger discipline like they're armed with 50 cals (which had thousands of bullets) (i.e. a p51).
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On April 4, 1965, the Tran Hanh Squadron was recorded to have shot down two F-105s of the US Air Force. The US Air Force confirmed that the F-105 Zinc fleet lost Zinc 1 and Zinc 2 because of the MiG-17. The US Air Force believes that Steel 3 in the F-105 Squadron was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery• The US Air Force did not confirm that it shot down any MiG-17 that day. Don Kilgus is only credited with "possibly" hitting a MiG-17•
Maxim Пхан I’m guessing your speaking to me , if that’s the case how can three massive cannons most likely loaded with a type of explosive or incendiary round just ding off and do nothing and the same for the 20mms like xuan said , and the fact they just keep shooting as if they have unlimited ammo is also completely stupid
What are you talking about 🤣 they invaded south veitnam bombing them trying to make them turn to communist.. america stepped in and pushed them all the way into china . They only invaded once more whem america left
USA had a population of over 200 million at the time. Most knew how to drive a car. North Vietnam had a population of almost 25 million at the time (1968). Many knew how to drive a moped. *USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA*
Me and the boys playing Soviet on war thunder
Me and my squadron as Americans tearing down te Soviet’s
Lol am playing MIG17AS while watching this
I have the MiG-17as
@@aydenwells3751 its pretty good but im trash
Isaac Ussery SAME. Yea. I don't know how to use jets. LOL
Some things are inaccurate, but it doesn't matter. That shot of the sidewinder was bloody amazing, loved that. Very good.
i didn't know the MiG-17 had more than 300 bullets
pfff ill let you know they could shoot the 37 and 23 mm's seperately reeeeee!!!!! (joke btw)
it depends on the variant.
Been reading up on the VPAF during the war and you have to give them credit for making the most of the few planes they had, using their radar network to best effect, and taking advantage whenever American tactics gave them an opportunity.
tbf this was the point in time were US and Soviet aircraft were kinda on par with each other since the USAF shot themselves in the foot with the Century series fighters
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 what was wrong with century fighters. Not trying to star an argument or be annoying, I’m just curious
@@andrewyoung365 the problem with them was that they were all design for a theoretical all out Nuclear War with the Soviet Union in mind hence the focus on Interceptors and Fighter-Bombers to the point that the only true Fighter in the group being the F-100 Super Sabre was more of a fighter-bomber than a fighter. the war fought in Vietnam was something these aircraft never designed to fight in and it showed if you look at the USAF record during the early stages of Vietnam
this is also the reason why the USAF was initially using the much inferior AIM-4 Falcon
missals instead of the much better USN AIM-7 Sparrow
missals as the AIM-4 was designed to shoot down bombers like the Tu-16 and Tu-95 with either a conventional (AIM-4) or nuclear warhead (AIM-26), not agile soviet fighters like the Mig-17 or Mig-21with conventional warheads which bite the USAF in the ass during the initial air battles in Vietnam
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 ok thanks for the info
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 It was also not just the hardware. Early on in Vietnam, they were using tactical fighters in a strategic way - i.e., they'd fly in formation, coming in at the same altitude, airspeed and direction - because "the brass" was still very much in a "bomber mindset," especially early on. It wasn't until later that pilots began improvising ways to hit the targets that took advantage of a fighter's flexibility and flight leaders' creativity. Hitting targets from different directions at different intervals, popping up and diving to the targets, jink on egress, etc. By the way, the F-100 Super Sabre (or "Hun") was used with great effectiveness as forward air controllers ("FAC" or "Misty FAC").
Well, it's kind of weird to see this represented quite this way. The North Vietnamese were very much guided by their GCI (ground control intercept), following strict Soviet doctrine. It'd be one shot at the Thuds - hit and run - and then pretty much regroup and be vectored to the following group of aircraft to hit the area, all guided by ground radar. Not really given to hang around and dogfight for various reasons, not the least of which because they didn't have many planes to begin with. On top of that, the Thud was built for speed (mainly to drop nuclear bombs on a supersonic dash across Soviet targets), so they'd just lit the burners and be only a distant memory for those MiGs (the 105 wasn't much of a dogfighter). Guns and SAMs were the main worry.
That untrue. Americans were the ones who played unimaginative attack patterns. While the interception doctrine of the People's Air Force of Vietnam was based on ground control communication, they exerted free will of fight in the air, sometimes avoiding communicating for maximun surprise effect. That's the only way to survive in a 30:1 threat scenario.
@@ubuntuperonista5465 The American tactics weren't as unimaginative as they were hindered by political restrictions. The Johnson administration micro-managed the war to the extent that they'd go in the same way everytime, at the same time of day, same altitudes, etc., with targets that were known well in advance. The Rules of Engagement kept the Americans from attacking the MiG airfields (Phuc Yen and Kep the most well-known). There was also the "Chinese Buffer zone," 30 miles from the Chinese border, to where the MiGs would run and the Americans couldn't follow, and another miles-diameter ring around Hanoi itself during much of Rolling Thunder. "Free will," as you put it, may have veen exercised on ocassion, which in fact generally worked in favor of the Americans. But the North Vietnamese tactics were generally hit and run : make the Thuds drop their bomb load and try not to lose the precious few aircraft you do have - one of the few ways you can survive against an enemy with vastly superior resources. The Americans actually had to be very creative to find ways to circumvent these restrictions at the unit level. The advent of the Wild Weasel SAM suppression tactics, for example, were in part a direct response to being forbidden to destroy known SAM sites until they had first fired at them. Another would be Operation Bolo, in which F4 Phantoms posed as F-105s (mimicking call signs, altitudes, airspeeds, approach vectors, etc.) to "bait" the MiGs into attacking the F4s - this was highly successful, with 7 MiGs destroyed and no losses to the Phantoms. From a Vietnamese MiG pilot's perspective, there wouldn't have been much room to do somwthing too different, when you consider that they had to operate within such a complex system of SAMs, AAA and MiGs, which itself had to be carefully managed and coordinated.
@championszz Wow. Well, ironically I do agree with a lot of your points - the NVA did precisely what they needed to do to take advantage of the situation. I don't see where in my posts do I imply that utilizing hit and run tactics was in any way "wrong" or "dishonorable," etc. I simply stated facts. I also think you grossly misunderstand my "mindset." There is much debate, to this day, as to what the rules of engagement (ROE) actually accomplished, and if China would've been drawn into the war, which was the main concern at the time. This is especially ironic, because I do agree with "hawkish" mindsets leading to catastrophe. But man, you're way off the mark here, when it comes to what I tried to convey in my responses. I do differ in that in my opinion there were ways that the airwar could've been fought, and still stay within the limitations called for by the political considerations.
@championszz That is an excellent point. Wish more people thought that way.
There is too many information from manyside, US usually tell their loss is from ground force but when a pilot is shooted down, they dont sure about who is the attacker, only striker does. Forcus on consequen US Airforce launch "Topgun" for a reason.
*You got a hole in your left wing*
.....oh god no...
Bruh
My wing gets torn off:
Alway love warthunder references
You got hole on your right wing
Colonel Robin Olds, who was awarded 43 Air Medals, was highly impressed with the MiG 17.
It’s maneuverable that’s really all it had and turn rate was really only useful in the early stages of Vietnam when the missiles were bad but once the missiles got better it’s age started to show
@@Spacedude-jq2dq MiGs were and still are interceptors primarily
@@Spacedude-jq2dq Plus, there was a qualitative difference between the 21 and the 17. The MiG Design Bureau did a fabulous job with the 21. Great, simple supersonic aircraft.
Finally, a view from the otherside.
Awesome footage. Having the MiG pilot blackout briefly after a high G maneuver was a nice touch.
Yeah but the f105 was swinging that booty like it’s nothing
@@yusimivaldesuso3051 Vietnamese physics is weak, especial in war era when they lack of nutrition food.
Did MiG pilots have G suits in the Vietnam era? Maybe the 21 what about 17 and 19?
@@knakajima1347 im sure that mig21 have G suit but im not sure about Mig 17, 19. Maybe they have.
@@ThanhNguyen-xf9dl yeah for sure... Because I know the North Koreans and the Russians during the 50s didn't really have G suits in the mig 15....
People keep saying but the F-105 is faster, but the thing is at slow speeds the Mig-17 had higher rates of acceleration, that is why throughout the Vietnam war, the Mig's constantly took them out.
Vietnamese pilots were the best ever foreign pilots to sit inside me alongside the Indians. Tho they still surprisingly fought better in my subsonic parents than me.
@@hammerofdavey Exactly !
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 mig 17 were shot down wayyy more lol
@@haydenclark1926 because they had more mig-17s...
@@Alex-cw3rz the phantom was better than the mig 17 in every way possible . The mig 21 was a better match for the phantom .but the phantom still came out on top
6:02 that was a legend
finally a movie about vietnam war with communist vietnam perspective
Bộ phim mới chỉ là mô phỏng phần nhỏ trong chiến tranh việt nam
6:17 the fact that guy manages to pull that stick scares me since early migs use manual control and not hydraulics
By early migs you must mean mig-3, 9 at most, cause Mig-15 allready had a fly-by-wire.
Lmao, its a mig 17, not as early as you would expect
@@pedrovicnt_ oh
@@ORKSIZDABESTlmao no the first jet fighter that used a fly by wire is the F16
@@ORKSIZDABEST Fly-by-wire is electronic. Mig 15/17 most probably had boosted hydraulics.
Respect for vietnamese warriors....from indonesia
Awesome short movie..Big respect to warriors who protect and defend their country.
what about respect for the US bc u know
they died too
@@paprikaman1124 well they were the invaders
@@Z46Edelweiss-001 and? , You guys don't respect dead people
@@paprikaman1124 how can we respect the US when 70% of all wars in the world are cause by them
@@Z46Edelweiss-001don't respect the country, respect the 24 year old somewhere that wants to go to college but he gets shot in the face in the army , nobody wants to do this
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I don’t speak communist
@@Vicho9507 nobody cares
@@terla1049 I do
@@theonly_socius191 that's why you're just a nobody
The part where the n.v.a.f. pilot drops his gear to slow thr aircraft because he's blacked out from the high g maneuver is sick af. I wonder if they were really trained to perform that in the even of a blackout?! This is pretty cool
I'm pretty sure he just turned too hard and the gear released itself
@@Gypples how would the gear release itself tho?
@@robwernet9609 Under high g and trong turn sometime landing gear just accidentally dropped out. This accident was confirm by general Tran Hanh- the only Mig-17's pilot that survived after Ham Rong battle you saw in vid , and some memoirs of other VPA Mig's pilots. Sorry for my bad English.
@@robwernet9609 Wings can rip if you pull to hard a maneuver (old planes, new planes are only at the limit of the pilot) so gears on this mass produced plane would deffinetly come out if pulled to hard.
Doesnt make sense since he has airbrakes and flaps to do that, the gears would rip off at that speed.
Đây hình như là kĩ thuật né tên lửa khó nhất bấy giờ, quá đẳng cấp Viet nam ơi ^^
Great job (although there maybe a little Hollywood in the scenes). I mean its about time the Vietnamese Pilots especially their ace pilots should share their stories. We have seen the US pilots side of how they downed the MIG. For me there nothing but admiration and respect for both sides.
DANG GOOD VIDEO...WE LOST SO MANY YOUNG MEN ON BOTH SIDES...AND NOW WE ARE NO LONGER HATING EACH OTHER...WE ON SAME SIDE OF LIVING LIFE...LETS WE FORGET...REMEMBER THOSE WHO DID THEIR DUTY IN UNIFORM.
Yes .
That’s war thunder matching system
Dude it's really bad I have to go against f11s in a mig15
@@handle6547 I'm SUPPOSED to be going against sabers f84 and b29, but NOPE EVERY GAME I GET MISSILED AND NEVER GET DOWNTIERED
@@tacocat0674 Then the Harrier Gr.1 happened and suddenly fighting F-11's doesn't look that bad...
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 yeahhhhh that's tru
@@tacocat0674 A lots holding you back in F11 but yeah Mig 15s shouldnt be fighting it
The dragon's jaw bridge-- nice touch
My grandfather told me that in the past, my grandmother was sexually assaulted by 3 American soldiers and killed in front of him when he was hit by 2 bullets.
that raises alot of questions...
THUONG BÀ QUÁ .
Respect from Uzbekistan🇺🇿
Tiếng Anh
This film is in memory of the 3 fallen pilots. for the Fatherland, for the family, for the freedom of the Vietnamese people,
vietnamese
Bộ phim này là để tưởng nhớ 3 phi công đã hy sinh. vì Tổ quốc, vì gia đình, vì tự do của dân tộc Việt Nam,
Wrong. They Were TrashBag's From A Communist Government Who Deserved Their Death
@@kneedeepinbluebells5538 They are living peacefully in their homeland. Then one day Americans from the other side of the globe dropped bombs on their homes, killing their loved ones. "It's all about communism"? So funny!
English is too slow and seems like it was read without much emotion.
Those USAF pilots were high on dope AF.
Hands off Vietnam!
Glory to the Vietnamese people.
With love and respect from Russia.
America won the Vietnam war?
@@dylannnnnnnnn America lost the war. We won.
@@NguyenLinh-mo1zn?
@@NguyenLinh-mo1zn Yeah, you definitely won.
*In troop casualties!*
It's because Of aerial bombings, not in ground fights, if the us didn't fight the Vietcong with no air force, the Vietcong will likely overpower U.S army, due to the superior tactics of the Vietcong, it the reason why you should shut up@@Astyrical
"And that's the last time f100s played a fighter role"
Very well done movie. It is a pity it was not in HD !
It's good to see things from a Vietnamese perspective as opposed to the typical US propaganda war movies about this conflict.
Thank you, It isn't conflict, it's invasion, they drop tens of millions tons of bombs and toxic chemicals on my country then they said they protect the peace and it happen to Iraq, Syria, and Libya
This is complete north Vietnamese propaganda, even worse then U.S propaganda, at least the U.S would use a modern equivalent. Mig-17 was outdated junk compared to F-105, and realistically in Vietnam air vs air, the U.S vastly outclassed Vietnam in every role. Most U.S planes were shot down with SAM's, not by other planes.
@@gnomechild3248 You should learn more about Ace pilot "Nguyen Van Bay" and how F-105 was shot down
acepilots.com/vietnam/viet_aces.html#bay
@@makakura055 The Vietnamese had some badass aces don't get me wrong, but when you look at aircraft shot down you can see how the U.S was far more dominant in there technology. Yes far more U.S planes where shot down by all methods, (2,251 planes, each one serving different roles from reconnaissance to tanker aircraft) as the U.S had more planes at there disposal. The Vietnamese Airforce lost almost every fighter they had by the end of the war. the kill to loss ratio of the American F-4 Phantom was 3:1, while the Mig-21 was 1:2. There were 269 American, and Vietnamese aircraft shot down in air to air combat, only 76 of the planes shot down happened to be American. Also just an off topic fact, the modern F-15 has a kill to loss ratio of 102:0 making it undefeated.
@@makakura055 The North Vietnamese air force had excellent ground-controlled intercept radar to direct its planes, U.S. Air Force radar coverage ranged from spotty to nonexistent over assigned strike routes. Aircrews operated with little more than their eyes to guide them. Fighters escorting the bomb-carrying aircraft never knew where the threat would come from and therefore normally stayed close to the planes they were protecting so they wouldn’t be caught out of position during an attack. All of that makes it even more impressive the American jet fighters had much better kill ratios.
i would like to thank whoever have translated the video,
without your support i will not be able to understand anything.
great video by the way.
Cheers to the heroic Vietnamese People's Air force for their victory over western imperialist aggression!!!
Good vietnam 👍 support by indonesia
105 really needed Phantom escorts. By the late 1966 the Air Force had concluded that the Thud, although a capable fighter bomber, couldn't handle the 17 on its own. When the MiG-21 platform came along, the need for Phantom air cap became a necessity. The VPAF pilots were damn good on their own. Their skill makes Operation BOLO, led by Robin Olds of 8th Fighter Wing, that much greater of an achievement.
American doctrine just sucked
I'm from Vietnam
The American Air Force lost over 60 aircraft in the first 20 days of the official war in Vietnam to North Vietnamese Migs. I would say that number is even higher, but will never know? The American planes had very little chance against the brand new Mig-17/19 and 21/s flown by an Air Force that was highly trained and very disciplined! The worst mistake the U.S.A. made was when they took the gun off the F-4 Phantoms. Big respect to the people of Vietnam and their Air Force!
That's false very false ..any many miss were destroyed by f 4s the f 4s were just better.
From an unbiased perspective I can say that the f-4 phantom was a better aircraft than the mig 17 by a very long shot, the mig 19 by a long shot and the mig 21 by a bit. Although it did t have a gun the sidewinder missiles would require you to sustain incredible g’s to dodge and also were hard to see as they would come from behind you. Your seat would block your view and you would get tunnel vision adding even more to the chance that you would not see them. The Vietnamese pilots were also not trained well especially compared to the American pilots. Adrian Lawrence your statement is very very very wrong, also the ones shot down were mostly outdated a-4 Skyhawks and generally cumbersome f-105s. Do your research before you comment my guy.
Vietnam airforce sucked
@@haydenclark1926 not entirely true mate
@@sporkmonster lol yes it is .
1:21 boy I hope that tail strike didn't hurt the plane ;)
*tail control damaged*
9:08
Boy
it didnt tail strike
@@MichelleW870 it literally did
The only real advantage a MiG-17 had over an F-105 was agility. There were many occurrences where a MiG-17 would get in behind a 105 to try and take a shot but the 105 could always light it’s burner and accelerate away. Speed was about the only advantage a 105 had because in a dogfight it was a bear.
Afterburner makes a great heat signature for an atoll missle.
@@skybot9998 That is true and the 105 had one hell of an afterburner attached to that mighty J-75 engine!
@@skybot9998 now if only they ever had any...
@@bradenhagen7977 The k-13 named atoll by NATO,kinda rhymes doesn't it. Was used by the north vietnamese airforce on their mig21 aircraft and fired using a hit and run tactic.
@@skybot9998 Not just that, if the Atoll don't get ya, the SA-2 crew just might do you in.
F-105 with no bombs could go supersonic at 500 feet. Nothing, not a Mig-15, -17, -21, Phantom, nothing on Earth could catch it at that level.
doesnt mean the Phantom and the mig21 can't keep up with it, If a thud is trying to run away from a mig-21 then its asking for a missle up it's ass
@@f4mmer540 as a fighter bomber, it will be at a gross disadvantage.
@@kenmtb If f105 still have it's bomb then yes it will be at a significant disadvantage after dropping them it's speed is comparable to thr phantom and mig21 or even faster but will still hold a disadvantage when it comes to maneuvering (dodging missle)
It could tho, and no F-105 coundt go supersonic. Even if it did, supersonic is around 1000km. Mig-21 goes 2000km... Phantom too. Mig-17 goes around 1000km. So thats BS
@@stilpa1 mate im talking when it have already ejected its payload and flying straight on the deck the mig31 barely holds itself ehen going mach 1 sea level because the engine when after burning(which is requiered to hit and hold mach 1) would turn the plane inside out on the deck going mach 1
Very Cool...The MiG 17, 19 and 21 pilots were heroes
Why ?
@@krystjanchanerley9288 they spent only months to learn to fly such modern planes (at that time) and did their job to defend their skies
@@krystjanchanerley9288 They were defending their fatherland against the almight USAF
Really , really amazing animation! Thanks a lot ,
Any others?
The Mig 17 worked over the Thuds at low speed. Best to drop your load and kick in the afterburners . And make a beeline back to base.
There are many wrong technical things but the quality of graphics are extraordinary well done !! I think these short movies is the response to all those American documentaries that show american victories.
In the begining we see Migs coming from High altitude to intercept yankees under them . I think its wrong because Migs 17 are designed to give there best in low and medium altitude .
that why the US fighter didn't think that we would strike from the higher altitude. In spite of poor technology, we took advantage of surprise elements to shot them down.
Check the fact here www.skytamer.com/MiG-17PF.html, the MIGs did indeed attack from above.
@@apanzerdivisionwithinterne6789 of course we cannot beat US fleet. but we could give them casualty which makes them to be careful when flyling over North Vietnam sky. our mission never was take down the whole us fighters but shot down enough B52 bombers to force them into Paris Peace Accords.
actually the only way migs could have had a small chance to reach in firing range of f-105 was that diving from higher altitude to them, because f-105 is mach 2 super sonic jet with after burner with much higher rate of climb.....even diving from high altitude i wonder how on earth mig -17 could catch them
@championszz North vietnamese had good fighters , almost equal to american , mig-21,19,17 was not bad fighters at all , but vietnamese fighters had lower flight training and also operating foreign made machines , and us casualties was mostly due to AAA batteries and SAM rockets , i think if they had russian pilot they could make it equal in the skies and even achieve air superiority , combining SAM systems and Numerous AAA batteries and fighter jets . (us lost 3700 fixed wing planes while north vietnam lost 161 aircrafts of all sort)
but even now we talking North vietnamese shot many many us aircrafts like 450 phantom and 250 f-100 its a great achievment, those were expensive machines. while for example in iran iraq war , f-4 phantoms totally dominated iraqi migs of all sort (mig-21 , mig-31 ,su -22 ,mirage f1 , super etendard )(kill ratio 150:35) with very one sided kill ratio.....as you said the operator of the machine makes big diffrence
I love how people are"f105 is faster bla bla" , yes it is but they arent constantly engaging afterburner ,otherwise they wouldnt even reach the target area. For most of their flight they flew in subsonic,to conserve fuel and with all the bombs they carried they fell back into the speed range of the mig17.
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Thank bro .
CCB QGP in Germany Cảm ơn Anh nhé .
It’d be awesome if this was a whole movie.
Ok the first problem is the fact the F105 is trying to Dogfight. It wasn't designed for that, it was a fighter bomber, not a fighter Interceptor
That's true, but 105 pilots still managed to shoot down 27.5 migs during the war
@@MichaelCasanovaMusic27.5? Did the rest of that .5 mig get back to base? 😂
10/10 for overplaying the skill and tactics used by the NVA
That is the first generation of Vietnam airforce, the characters in this documentary is just graduate in Soviet and this is the first battle of Vietnam airforce so they still rookie at that time without experience. You can see 1pilot crashed himself when try to escape US pilot. The USA just confirm 1 win but VPA confirm 3 loss.
これを見て､とても感動になりました。ありがとうございます。
Vietnamese pilots fought for the happiness of their women and children. What did American pilots fight for? For the fact that financial and industrial businessmen would get rich... Greetings from the Russians to the Vietnamese comrades.
The US troops thought they were fighting for freedom against the spread of communism. I as an American have deep respect for the North Vietnamese as they fought against imperialist powers. The only issue is that they were communist. I still respect them, God bless the brave men on both sides of this war.
Both think that fought for freedom... In reality one fought for the coverment and one fought for the party!!!
Até que enfim um documentário verdadeiro. Os vietnamitas foram de longe os que mais abateram aviões F1 e o Pathon F4, numa margem de 10 por 01
The mig-17 is technically outdated, but one advantage it has is that it's fast & can shoot down US fighters
😂
My right ear really enjoyed this video
Throughout the Second Indochina War, North Vietnam lost 132 fighter aircraft (1 MiG-15UTI, 63 MiG-17, 8 MiG-19 & 60 MiG-21) and a single Il-28 bomber. By comparison, the anti-communist coalition lost over 5,000 military aircraft (out of which 3,744 were lost by the United States).
That seems a bit misleading when you compare the amount of aircraft fielded by the Americans vs the Vietnamese. The US had more aircraft to be shot down that were being used more regularly.
So Vietnamese airforce lost 132 planes to shot down 3744 US planes? Where do you read this in SovietPedia? Have you ever heard about worn planes, damaged planes, crashed aircrafts in flight, flak shot down, human flying errors: planes that is economical better leave there than repair them? Obviously this war was a failure for US, but not in the air for sure! You can't paragonate US trillion flight hours with Vs thousand flight hours.
Sure! Vietnamese pilots are real heros defending their land. In 20 century , 3 superpowers were humiliated and defeated by viets : France, US and China in 1979 war. Moreover, they libarated Cambodia from genocidal bloody Polpot which killed 3 millions people. Deep respect!
to be fair most of those us planes shot down were shot down via state of the art soviet anti air missiles
First steel bird vietnam
Finally it’s a movie, where American are loosing the fight. Very heroic, I really hope there more movie like this in the future .... SALUTE
31 dislikes from those who were shot down by a MiG 17 🤣🤣🤣
He not die
what?
or prob the large inaccuracies but sure
как там сейчас у вас "памятник с мигом" еще стоит? хочется увидеть.
Jesus is coming soon
Jesus is the only savior and judge
Psalms 50chapter
15. And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Jesus and lies never exists
Magnificent!!! :)
Yeah 👌
How can he evade sidewinder missile very easily.
That was 1965....the IR guided missile were used to be stupid...
I see
@@abhishekdahikane2817 true, but he didn't look back, and there was no way of him even knowing a missile was tailing him
@@abhishekdahikane2817 The early sidewinders may be bad but if there that close then that MiG would be downed so yeah
Nice short film!
It's really ridiculous that those planes don't have that maneuverability.
It's a movie
@@toyotawitha20mm35 I know
Courageous effort on the part of the vpaf. they defended their country from bombings and assaults.
Wrong Fool. They Deserved The Flaming Death The Received At The Hands Of Those Valiant, Brave & Skilled American Pilots 😆
This feels like battlefield game.
All the F-105 had to do was hit afterburner and he would've eft the lil MIG in the dust.
yeah like wtf Mig17s could not hope to be the same speed as F105 I was thinking the same thing
Exactly
At slower speeds The Mig 17 could accelerate faster than an F-105.
@@ronlynquist9183 not true.
@@zepter00 According to the US air force it's true.
Some folks make popcorn for the movie. I make popcorn for the comments section. 🍿🥤
I am in love with the migs
um ok
This was cool and entertaining. Where’s Robin Olds and the F4s?
Mig17 vs f105 sounds like grandfather vs grandchilder(Adult stage) lol unfair
Во время вьетнамской войны миг-15 не использовали использовали только миг 17
It says their mig 17’s in the subtitles
You know just use the F-4 Phantom it has sidewinder rockets and vulcan cannons and bombs
Yup yeah
F-4 has no match against those MiG-17 Ace's you know
@@aloyoshenka2809 It all depends on the training and aircraft used. Had the F-4s and F-105s been escorted by Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighters, I'm sure they would've done better.
The US also had to follow specific rules of engagement that the Vietcong didn't have to.
@@Tigershark_3082 wow this comment section is full of dumbasses. Mate there are no f4s in this video. F-4s (the ones used in Vietnamese the f-crazy had no guns BUT the sidewinders they carrier were in real life nearly impossible to dodge especially with a well aimed shot. Also, f-4s are fighters (fighter bombers) the f-4s were used as escorts later in the war. The ones you see shooting at the (inferior and outdated) migs were f-100s. The fact that the migs were able to catch up is super unrealistic, the f-100 had much better acceleration top speed and energy retention than the mig 17. Also f-5 freedom fighters were few and far between in the war, the main fighter escort in the middle and late war were f-4s. F-100s were only used in the very beginning. Do your research mate!
@@Tigershark_3082 also this is set in the beginning of the war in about 1955-1956 ish. The freedom fighters entered service in 1972 which by the. The f-4 had been upgraded to the much superior F-4E version making the f-5a not so useful. Also the F-5A was used under the name F-C in the US air force
@@sporkmonster Mate, this was over 11 months ago. I didn't know nearly as much as I do now
It is impossible that a Mig-15 that only ran at 1000 km per hour could catch up with an F-105, as the only one in dogfights but it rarely caught up.
Mig-17!
I’m waiting for The History Channel to do one of its Dog Fight shows depicting the North Vietnamese ace pilots winning the dog fights.
Yeah right.
they would never do that, even it's the truth
Tie Fighters! Well done.
Awesome!
It's surprising how the mig 17's 23 and 37mm cannons could fire as much bullets as a p51
@Nhat Anh Hoang p51 had thousands. Your point?
@Nhat Anh Hoang i wasnt talking about f105s though, i was talking about p51s. Your point?
@Nhat Anh Hoang fair enough, lets address the ammo issue in this video, then. The mig 17 irl had 80 shells for its 2 23mm's and 40 for the 37mm. If thats the case, how come the migs in this video are firing away without any trigger discipline like they're armed with 50 cals (which had thousands of bullets) (i.e. a p51).
@Nhat Anh Hoang what do you mean by "Vietnam's modify skill"?
@nhatanhhoang3131no, the f105 had a 20mm cannon with roughly 600-1000 rounds.
Bom vídeo! Vendo o outro lado.
Binhverick: it's not the plane is the pilot 😅
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Those f105 have the advantage of short range missiles, but in the gun dogfight i feel mig 17 has better maneuvering ..
Do you mean the F-100? I don't think 105s ever carried air to air weaponry beyond their cannon.
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On April 4, 1965, the Tran Hanh Squadron was recorded to have shot down two F-105s of the US Air Force.
The US Air Force confirmed that the F-105 Zinc fleet lost Zinc 1 and Zinc 2 because of the MiG-17.
The US Air Force believes that Steel 3 in the F-105 Squadron was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery•
The US Air Force did not confirm that it shot down any MiG-17 that day.
Don Kilgus is only credited with "possibly" hitting a MiG-17•
I was moved to tears.
Mig 17 gangsta until f-100 super sabre showed up
AHhahahahah funny , mig 17 37mm and two 23mm hitting that f105 and it sparks, that wouldnt happen lol, also apparently the mig has infinite ammo
Well 4 20mm on the f100 sparked all over the mig 17 ....sooo can we call it even :))))
Play games more, kid XD
Maxim Пхан I’m guessing your speaking to me , if that’s the case how can three massive cannons most likely loaded with a type of explosive or incendiary round just ding off and do nothing and the same for the 20mms like xuan said , and the fact they just keep shooting as if they have unlimited ammo is also completely stupid
Maxim Пхан yep he is a kid
I know right he have so much ammunition
They defended their country against agressors..apriciated
What are you talking about 🤣 they invaded south veitnam bombing them trying to make them turn to communist.. america stepped in and pushed them all the way into china . They only invaded once more whem america left
That Aim 9 would have exploded if it were that close. It's a proximity detonated missle.
Early aim 9s were prone to failures such as not detonating though so it’s kinda realistic
When you think that, if well placed, a single round of the Nudelman N-37 was enough to tear apart a F-4 sized fighter
Very interesting. I knew the US lost 2 F105s but didn't realise the North Vietnamese lost so many Mig 17s.
USA had a population of over 200 million at the time. Most knew how to drive a car.
North Vietnam had a population of almost 25 million at the time (1968). Many knew how to drive a moped.
*USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA*
@@AudieHolland Yet you lost.
Me when I play war thunder and have my friend take me to phantomand f105 era lol
Hi, this is excellent. Is there a 4K version?
hay quá anh ơi
From Movie Silver Swallow. I want to watch this.
It's a documentary film so basically this video is the most exciting part :D
Dave timewell cannot beat the beauty of Soviet aerospace
Đụng đến hàm rồng đất Thanh Hoá là k xong rồi
That 37mm cannon meant business too
При одном попадании 37 мм пушки f 86 сейбер разваливался в воздухе
Так тут никакие не сейберы
The Americans getting salty on here need to remember Rambo and all the crap “we are heroes” films that Hollywood has made about losing the war:)
6:08 you could have just used air brakes....