The client dinner with herb scene from Mad Men Season 6 episode 6 - "For Immediate Release". Includes Don's "I love puppies" line and other sick burns.
Let me clarify what happened. Dinner was supposed to be with Peter, Roger, and Don. However, Herb asked Roger not to include Pete, as he wanted to clear things up with Don. Then Don told Roger that Marie was in town, and Roger insisted on including her. At the last minute, Roger had to attend to an urgent matter with Chevron and was unable to join the dinner.
As someone who works in advertising design in-house, I despise it when a client or coworker wants someone to “come in and check my work” that isn’t my boss or on the design team. It really is nefarious and makes you curious what they will do in the future. Don did the right thing. Herb was going to make SCDP turn into a laughing stock with Borax-style copy.
As someone who actually does real work, I despise it when marketers cry about how hard they work and get SOOOO offended when they're given constructive criticism.
@@michael7264 i think its more about their work getting copied rather than getting critiqued, and who the hell even is this kid anyways to walk in and observe don's work like he owns him or something. as someone who actually does real work, u should know why don responded the way he did, and why OP said what they said
@@michael7264 If you're not happy with the work someone is doing, then by all means fire them and get someone else, but the point of this scene is when you expect someone to attach their own professional name and reputation to something, then it has to come up to their standard of quality as well as your own. Don is right here, Herb had every right to go with the flyer guy if he liked his work better, SCDP had just as much right to decline to have their firm's name associated with work that wasn't actually being produced by them and may do very really damage to their reputation when it's not up to scratch. The part I think people don't get is that Don realizes the relationship is over either way. Herb is never going to respect or accept the work he hired them to do, so they either accept that and move on or have someone else's work out their potentially stinking up their firm's good name, and even then, Herb would probably find other things to continue to be upset about.
I worked for a Benefit Broker that said this to the head of a Benefits Enrollment tech platform in a meeting. He literally said, "Overall, I give your interface a 'D'. You know, my niece works in design, maybe I can have her call you and share some ideas..." Luckily everyone was used to this kind of banter from him so we all just played it off but holy shit it was awkward. All of us implementation guys really liked the system too.
The look Don gives him at 1:46 when he's taking off the pen cap, it's such a complicated cocktail of contempt and resignation and affected consideration. I don't think 1 in 1000 actors could give you that nuanced of a look.
You have to know everyone is the same man. *You say he's not you* but he is. No matter how 'cool' you think he is *He is you* .....Think I've read and listened too much lol. Fuck you Alan Moore lol.
@Tha Real Mccoy usually the ad agencies are usually the ones that pay for the meals and such. They're constantly trying to butter/keep their clients happy. Don's saying he's tired of this fat ass eating expensive/a lot of food
@Tha Real Mccoy ad agencies “pay” for a client’s meal to make the feel special but really they take it out of the ad budget the client gives them so technically the client is paying for their own business dinners
1:39 In Draper's mind: "you fucking serious?". Herb is basically asking for some glorified leaflet printer to vet a Madison Avenue advertisement agency. Yep :/
@Random Name this sort of obviates what Madison avenue’s purpose is, which is not to sell products, but to sell companies. Your company has the best ad, it must be the best company: to work for, to invest in, to buy from. That’s what Madison Avenue does. That’s why they still get paid so much to do it.
@Random Name why would I use one sentence when a paragraph will do? ;) And your question, which comes after complaining about me using too many words… is answered in that paragraph. Who decides is the people who need to be persuaded that these companies are good to work for, invest in, partner with, or buy from. It’s simply a myth that corporations are driven by efficiency. At this level they are certainly *not* driven by it. No efficient company would pay executives hundreds of times their average wage.
Just to emphasize what a sleaze Herb is, he checks out and suggestively comments on Don’s wife right in front of him... Gives me chills & not the good kind
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 I haven’t seen the whole episode yet. So I don’t know, but it is fun to see her and her mother But yeah, Herb is the kind of guy you would keep your women away from.
@@Benjumanjo It's common courtesy and etiquette. Like holding the door open for a lady. Don't forget that this is the 60's as well. These things were a lot more common then.
It shows that Herb was a modern man who embraced feminist notions of equality between the sexes and rejected the outmoded patriarchal mores left over from feudalism.
her husband was horrible, but this simple but sweet lady did not deserve to be condescended to by megans immoral mother! just fucking no! come on, now. lets be fair.
I agree with all the comments supporting Don's choices. But a different business decision would be to suffer this fool and get the dinner over quickly, then discretely transition to a junior person while communicating that a kid writing flyers would not be appropriate for the process. If a service provider insulted and fired every client acting like a jackass, business would be very light.
That might've flown if a.) Herb hadn't insisted on Joan sleeping with him be part of the deal, thereby undercutting Don's labour & integrity in producing the pitch/campaign, & b.) if Herb could've just reeled his swinishness in for five fucking minutes & NOT scoped out & passed comment & on Megan's appearance & attractiveness. That really was the final straw - the micromanaging / 2nd guessing Don's competence as an Ad Man was just the excuse. When Don said "So why are we here, Herb?" he was telling him "I've had enough of you & all your bullshit."
The problem I can see with it is this feels like just the beginning. This is now the third ridiculous request Herb has demanded out of the company. Clearly this relationship is headed to a bad ending at some point
*The guy was a prick but Don was wrong to do this - the sacrifices that the company made, especially Joan to win Jaguar and he threw it away. Everyone has clients who are pricks, you just have to manage them. Thats business. If you dont like it, dont work in a role or company where you have to sell a product or service*
Don was an artist, not an entepreneur. That's why they never put it at the front of this meetings and when they do it and let him talk it's just to show off they have a genious in their offices.
@@the_one_gio dude clients like Herb are bullies and the way you manage them is stand up to them. If they are still pricks sure, fire them. But if I fired every client that was annoying or difficult I'd be broke and homeless
Don's not a company man, though. That's been rather the point of the series. Otherwise, he'd have stayed in that Miller beer meeting with all the other company men.
These days a senior account director would have to endure and finesse the vilest, shameless & wealthiest clients to get the deals done. Pressure of hitting targets, KPI's etc. Times have sure changed.
John Hamm was offered the role of Batman- I think he would be great, as he would finally do the Batman/ Bruce Wayne character justice.- he would bring real personality to the character.
Markass Brownlee wait.. what? You’re completely wrong.. he’s perfect for Batman, he’s THE perfect Bruce Wayne. Too big & Tall? You do know Batman is big & tall? He’s not wolverine, a short superhero.. Batman is like 6ft. something..
You never try to oversee a creative person's work... it's a insult. It's like just walking into someone's house and telling them how to do things. Good riddance.
I know everybody´s rooting for Don, but don´t forget what happens after this. First, Joan almost burst in tears because Don basically spat on her face with this decision. Campbell tells Don Herb acted that way, because how Don gave the speech that Herb wanted Don to give to the directors of Jaguar (remember, Herb wanted Don to pitch Herbs idea as if it were Don´s, and Don made it sound stupid, and so the directors didnt have it). Don was tired that Herb always wanted to be on top (literally and metaphorically), and Don didnt like it. By letting Joan sleep with Herb, SCDP basically was a hostage of Herb. Don hated that. He didnt like being at the top. So he basically fired Jaguar. Joan even said it: "If I had Herb on top of me, why could you?" Hate Don in this scene.
Don didn’t even know about Joan and herb though, she never told him and when he came to her apartment to tell her she didn’t have to do the deed he didn’t know he was already too late, he had no idea
It's not Don's fault what Joan did with Herb, Herb was being unreasonable and Joan didn't sleep with him for Jaguar, she slept with him for the partnership. It had nothing to do with whether they kept Jaguar on or not. They had to drop them for Chevy anyway
Joan really didn't have any licence to be pissed at Don. Joan got what she wanted from going through w/ boffing Herb - at SCDP's request & Herb's suggestion - a stake in the business as a full, not-silent partner & she keeps that regardless of whether Jaguar's a client or not. Yeah, her pride might have taken a hit, but you'd think she'd be the first to be relieved at the prospect of never seeing Herb Rennet hanging around SCDP like a stale fart ever again.
Mad men is amazing, their attention to details on every level is phenomenal...BUT, as a french-canadian, Megan's mom french is so fucking awful it just ruins everything for me. Bonus, both her, Megan and her sister all have different accents lol.
@@user-yn2ru2ep1j She's clearly an anglophone that doesn't speak french and was told to read french words lol. French from Quebec doesn't sound at all like french from France (and there's differences between the french depending where you are in the country). Same for English depending on where you are in the world. But in Megan's mom case, it's not even that. She simply does not speak french. At least Megan and her sister (who are both Quebeckers) have the right accent.
Some shows get the accents down and maintain consistency, while others don't do their homework and assume the majority of the viewership is Anglo, probably not caring. I agree that they blundered this, and from a show like this, I probably would have expected better.
Not really tho, that’s the worst “French Canadian” I’ve ever heard. That’s too bad cuz mad men is so focused on details like this usually. Everyone in Megan’s family speaks a different kind of French lol
This is one "shit" client that won't be satisfied unless he bitches constantly to get the "upper hand." I'm so glad Don Draper gave it to him. Who needs this guy to maneuver more out of the advertising company? I would give him the boot too!
That, "Are you OK?" hit Don hard. He knows he has a problem. Megan knows he has a problem. It was just the worst time for it to come out. I really hate Megan.
He crossed the line & broke the back of Don's patience by oogling Meghan & passing comments on her appearance. The look on Don's face before he gives Herb his walking papers is him looking at Herb & seeing nothing but a greedy, avaricious & self-absorbed blob of a bully who will never be satisfied with anything you give him - he will take everything you've done for him & then assess it as substandard & demanding one. More. Thing. Ad Nauseam. In that moment Don thought "Fuck THAT."
The mother speaks a very tedious French. They went for an english speaking actor that speaks little French... such a weird choice. Also Megan is from Québec, her father in the show speaks a very France French accent and her mother is english.... Such a great show but they dropped the ball on this one.
Not only this one...In a scene Don says Hilton means fresh towel in Farsi while it absolutely has no meaning in Farsi. This show is great enough to sell but why would they lie to face of their audience!
Maybe they just couldn't find one that was good enough or they wanted her anyway. While she does have an accent, her french is quite impeccable; it always surprise me because I half expect her to say something that doesn't make sense.
@@cahouette Well, I mean it in the sense that her wording makes a lot more sense than I'd expect it to, considering her tone and accent is super shaky.
Ray Prime No lol, as a French Canadian, it’s simply awful. Everyone in Megan’s family speaks french with a different accent lol. At least Megan and her sister do sound like they’re from Quebec.
I´m looking for a scene in the series. Don is working on a campaign but he seems distracted. He goes to the agency´s archives and pulls out an ad that says something like "she got what you need". I´ve been looking for it but I can´t seem to find the episode.
Meris not really. He made a brash decision that made all of previous sacrifices by his coworkers (ESPECIALLY Joan) meaningless. It was satisfying though!
@@chaseb5376 I think it was justified. The partners decided about Joan's "actions" while Don had left the room which resulted in the account in the first place. I like to think this was Don's takeback for the partners for deciding anyway behind his back.
@@lennartschiphorst7849 Meanwhile completely forgetting about Joan and making decisions for her. Only to take it away from her. Doing this to her only to get a little bit of petty payback to the partners is unreasonable at best imo
@@chaseb5376 you're absolutely right. However, isn't that a character trait that goes well with Don's ego? Losing a valuable account and sacrificing a collaegue's dignity in order to get at the right end of things sounds like a true Draper move to me. ;)
Lennart Schiphorst Oh of course lol. I’m not hating on the writing at all. I’m not surprised at all Don would do this. It’s just not morally right imo. But Don wasn’t always a morally right guy (obvs). Taking control and making an alpha move for his own benefit even at the cost of others is Don’s MO.
Look the kid has talent. So let him in on the meeting with the ad agency. Make up some stroy about his position. Let him hear and see what is being proposed. Let him give his advice and done. You dont end up insulting the people your working with. And you get the opinion of your man. But no you have no manners and dont see how insulting it is for some pamphlet printer in your office that makes next to nothing vet the work of a man pulling down a huge salary and does ads for a living.
Because he wanted to continue taking advantage, to fulfill all his whims in exchange for continuing in Jaguar. The same thing Lee Garner Jr did with Roger.
Imagine that Gordon Ramsey is your personal chef. Then imagine that he has standing offers from 10 other people to be their personal chef. Now imagine that you set up a special occasion where you make a comment about his wife and then explain that the whole night is about giving Gordon the name of your nephew because he makes a mean plate of nachos.
Honestly Don and his whole group just seem like jerks here. Does he even actually like puppies or is that just some rude sarcastic remark? Don't trust him at all. Still love the show though
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Herb was really the most despicable character of the show. Which is saying something indeed.
Written by Matthew Weiner, who allegedly told Kater Gordon that he deserved to see her naked and ended her writing career.
Lou Avery was awful too.
Lee Garnett Jnr.
Andrew Roberts What?
I highly doubt she would have established her non-profit, were it false. And where is the lawsuit from Weiner one would expect?
This is a great illustration of why account men exist lol I can't believe anyone let Don have dinner with Herb alone
Wasn't this the one time where pete was busy or something? I remember this meeting being last minute
Don didn't let any of them know that he was meeting with Herb lol. He kinda just made an appointment last second then fired him without vote
Let me clarify what happened. Dinner was supposed to be with Peter, Roger, and Don. However, Herb asked Roger not to include Pete, as he wanted to clear things up with Don. Then Don told Roger that Marie was in town, and Roger insisted on including her. At the last minute, Roger had to attend to an urgent matter with Chevron and was unable to join the dinner.
@@ladislaocapule4834 Chevy, not Chevron.
Love that hard chair slide at the end.
Wow never noticed that before. Seriously all the micro-actions in this show are well thought out, very impressive.
Never noticed that. Awesome
Herb: "Do you know the somersaults I am doing..."
Don: "Really? Man your size!?"
hahahahahahahha
Yep. Don was channeling Roger in this scene with a couple of his remarks.
Roger is always present @@werdna_sir
I love that - Herb is a real SOB and to those that behave this way I hope they get their Karma real fast!
LOL
@@angelacarleton9575 I see why Don was so pissed when they had Joan fuck him for rhat account.
As someone who works in advertising design in-house, I despise it when a client or coworker wants someone to “come in and check my work” that isn’t my boss or on the design team. It really is nefarious and makes you curious what they will do in the future. Don did the right thing. Herb was going to make SCDP turn into a laughing stock with Borax-style copy.
As someone who actually does real work, I despise it when marketers cry about how hard they work and get SOOOO offended when they're given constructive criticism.
@@michael7264 i think its more about their work getting copied rather than getting critiqued, and who the hell even is this kid anyways to walk in and observe don's work like he owns him or something. as someone who actually does real work, u should know why don responded the way he did, and why OP said what they said
@@michael7264 If you're not happy with the work someone is doing, then by all means fire them and get someone else, but the point of this scene is when you expect someone to attach their own professional name and reputation to something, then it has to come up to their standard of quality as well as your own. Don is right here, Herb had every right to go with the flyer guy if he liked his work better, SCDP had just as much right to decline to have their firm's name associated with work that wasn't actually being produced by them and may do very really damage to their reputation when it's not up to scratch.
The part I think people don't get is that Don realizes the relationship is over either way. Herb is never going to respect or accept the work he hired them to do, so they either accept that and move on or have someone else's work out their potentially stinking up their firm's good name, and even then, Herb would probably find other things to continue to be upset about.
@@Tim85-y2q This. Don may have been uncouth, but overall he wasn’t the one in the wrong in this situation
I worked for a Benefit Broker that said this to the head of a Benefits Enrollment tech platform in a meeting. He literally said, "Overall, I give your interface a 'D'. You know, my niece works in design, maybe I can have her call you and share some ideas..." Luckily everyone was used to this kind of banter from him so we all just played it off but holy shit it was awkward. All of us implementation guys really liked the system too.
The look Don gives him at 1:46 when he's taking off the pen cap, it's such a complicated cocktail of contempt and resignation and affected consideration. I don't think 1 in 1000 actors could give you that nuanced of a look.
Jon Hamm is really a master of the contemptuous look
You have to know everyone is the same man. *You say he's not you* but he is. No matter how 'cool' you think he is *He is you*
.....Think I've read and listened too much lol. Fuck you Alan Moore lol.
RACDANCE123BABY thank you for this. Truly.
Don looks at him like, "I think it's time for you to start to seriously consider salads"
What's strange is that the actor was so great in this, but has disappointed in everything other role I've seen him in.
The closest thing we'll ever get to a Sopranos/Mad Men crossover.
Looool facts
Tall and tan and young and lovely...
Herb never had the makings of a varsity ad client
@@attila_the_hunk9685 Herb: I wonder what's Pensylvanian English for 'I grew up without a mother
You know, you’re right about that. Problems was Herb didn’t lean on Don hard enough. Make Don an offer he couldn’t refuse.
“I want you to buy me one last meal, I’m tired of taking it out of your account.” ☠️
@Tha Real Mccoy usually the ad agencies are usually the ones that pay for the meals and such. They're constantly trying to butter/keep their clients happy. Don's saying he's tired of this fat ass eating expensive/a lot of food
I bet Don felt 300lbs lighter after this
@Tha Real Mccoy ad agencies “pay” for a client’s meal to make the feel special but really they take it out of the ad budget the client gives them so technically the client is paying for their own business dinners
1:39 In Draper's mind: "you fucking serious?". Herb is basically asking for some glorified leaflet printer to vet a Madison Avenue advertisement agency. Yep :/
"Why wait for him to buy you a Jaguar"
And possible wanted to lay Megan.
@Random Name this sort of obviates what Madison avenue’s purpose is, which is not to sell products, but to sell companies. Your company has the best ad, it must be the best company: to work for, to invest in, to buy from. That’s what Madison Avenue does. That’s why they still get paid so much to do it.
@Random Name why would I use one sentence when a paragraph will do? ;)
And your question, which comes after complaining about me using too many words… is answered in that paragraph. Who decides is the people who need to be persuaded that these companies are good to work for, invest in, partner with, or buy from.
It’s simply a myth that corporations are driven by efficiency. At this level they are certainly *not* driven by it. No efficient company would pay executives hundreds of times their average wage.
"I love puppies."
He’s just like “I have no idea what to say” 😂
😂
Just to emphasize what a sleaze Herb is, he checks out and suggestively comments on Don’s wife right in front of him... Gives me chills & not the good kind
Why would Don even take Megan to dinner with that ass
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 I haven’t seen the whole episode yet. So I don’t know, but it is fun to see her and her mother
But yeah, Herb is the kind of guy you would keep your women away from.
@@MalloryNewcomb women*
Doesn't have to be "your" woman to keep hiw away from that creep.
1:02 Don's "yuck" look!
Don: "A man of your size."
I wish Don stood up to Lee Garnett in the same way.
Don wrote “The Letter”.
Don has probably never let Lee Garner disrespect him.
@@deanronan3598 Well we also know that Lee Garner was secretly gay/bisexual and possibly had a crush on Don.
@@henrypeters5291 Mathis says this in season 7.
Tall and tan and young and lovely - are first words from 60's song The Girl from Ipanema. Nice touch and what an insult from Herb to rate Don's wife.
The expression Don made at that moment... I've never seen so much contempt in one expression.
Herb's wife is so much better looking than horse teeth.
@@triciajohansen9295 yikes on that
@@triciajohansen9295 You must be over-powdered...
@@mariomendoza8041 I'm fine without it, thanks anyway!
That sight smirk Don gives Herb as he hands him the card and says ‘here ya go!’ is absolutely priceless. There’s no one white like Jon Hamm
My favorite is his expression at 1:02 . The way he's like "Are you serious" and then "Whatever" as he sits down lmao
Yeah he's pretty white.
Herb, unlike Don, doesn't stand up when the women leave the table.
what does standing up when they leave the table mean?
it's just good manners
Carlos Florez it's old school chivalry, like when you are walking wit a girl the man stands to the street and cars.
They dont let cranes inside the restaurant
It's not actually good manners it's just needless chivalry. But it was expected back in the day.
Angry Don is truly a thing of beauty.
Herb not standing up when the ladies leave the table tells you everything about him.
As well as his eyesight as Megan leaves the table
What difference does it make?
@@Benjumanjo It's common courtesy and etiquette. Like holding the door open for a lady.
Don't forget that this is the 60's as well. These things were a lot more common then.
It shows that Herb was a modern man who embraced feminist notions of equality between the sexes and rejected the outmoded patriarchal mores left over from feudalism.
@@drno87 😂😂😂
Never noticed that hard chair slide at the end. awesome...!
I dig how Draper acts gentlemanly. As if he ever was.
her husband was horrible, but this simple but sweet lady did not deserve to be condescended to by megans immoral mother! just fucking no! come on, now. lets be fair.
I agree with all the comments supporting Don's choices. But a different business decision would be to suffer this fool and get the dinner over quickly, then discretely transition to a junior person while communicating that a kid writing flyers would not be appropriate for the process. If a service provider insulted and fired every client acting like a jackass, business would be very light.
been there...you dream of being able to do what Don did...
Expert vs. vendor positioning in practice
discreetly, different word
That might've flown if a.) Herb hadn't insisted on Joan sleeping with him be part of the deal, thereby undercutting Don's labour & integrity in producing the pitch/campaign, & b.) if Herb could've just reeled his swinishness in for five fucking minutes & NOT scoped out & passed comment & on Megan's appearance & attractiveness. That really was the final straw - the micromanaging / 2nd guessing Don's competence as an Ad Man was just the excuse. When Don said "So why are we here, Herb?" he was telling him "I've had enough of you & all your bullshit."
The problem I can see with it is this feels like just the beginning. This is now the third ridiculous request Herb has demanded out of the company. Clearly this relationship is headed to a bad ending at some point
*The guy was a prick but Don was wrong to do this - the sacrifices that the company made, especially Joan to win Jaguar and he threw it away. Everyone has clients who are pricks, you just have to manage them. Thats business. If you dont like it, dont work in a role or company where you have to sell a product or service*
Don was an artist, not an entepreneur. That's why they never put it at the front of this meetings and when they do it and let him talk it's just to show off they have a genious in their offices.
That is incorrect, sometimes you have to fire clients. Not every customer is worth keeping.
@@the_one_gio dude clients like Herb are bullies and the way you manage them is stand up to them. If they are still pricks sure, fire them. But if I fired every client that was annoying or difficult I'd be broke and homeless
Don's not a company man, though. That's been rather the point of the series. Otherwise, he'd have stayed in that Miller beer meeting with all the other company men.
@@crabbieappleton and that's fine when you work for a huge company like that, but when you have business partners is a shit thing to do
These days a senior account director would have to endure and finesse the vilest, shameless & wealthiest clients to get the deals done. Pressure of hitting targets, KPI's etc. Times have sure changed.
John Hamm was offered the role of Batman- I think he would be great, as he would finally do the Batman/ Bruce Wayne character justice.- he would bring real personality to the character.
Markass Brownlee wait.. what? You’re completely wrong.. he’s perfect for Batman, he’s THE perfect Bruce Wayne.
Too big & Tall? You do know Batman is big & tall? He’s not wolverine, a short superhero.. Batman is like 6ft. something..
He’d also be perfect for Patrick Bateman.
@@MidTierVillainI think Ben Affleck is 6'4"
Lord Farquaad see I get the opposite, only I would call him bro chad, he’s pretty sophisticated
You never try to oversee a creative person's work... it's a insult. It's like just walking into someone's house and telling them how to do things. Good riddance.
“J’ai besoin d’une autre bouteille” me too
I know everybody´s rooting for Don, but don´t forget what happens after this. First, Joan almost burst in tears because Don basically spat on her face with this decision. Campbell tells Don Herb acted that way, because how Don gave the speech that Herb wanted Don to give to the directors of Jaguar (remember, Herb wanted Don to pitch Herbs idea as if it were Don´s, and Don made it sound stupid, and so the directors didnt have it). Don was tired that Herb always wanted to be on top (literally and metaphorically), and Don didnt like it. By letting Joan sleep with Herb, SCDP basically was a hostage of Herb. Don hated that. He didnt like being at the top. So he basically fired Jaguar. Joan even said it: "If I had Herb on top of me, why could you?" Hate Don in this scene.
Er, I agree with your assessment. In the episodes with Herb and Jaguare, there NO good guys.
Don didn’t even know about Joan and herb though, she never told him and when he came to her apartment to tell her she didn’t have to do the deed he didn’t know he was already too late, he had no idea
It's not Don's fault what Joan did with Herb, Herb was being unreasonable and Joan didn't sleep with him for Jaguar, she slept with him for the partnership. It had nothing to do with whether they kept Jaguar on or not. They had to drop them for Chevy anyway
Joan really didn't have any licence to be pissed at Don. Joan got what she wanted from going through w/ boffing Herb - at SCDP's request & Herb's suggestion - a stake in the business as a full, not-silent partner & she keeps that regardless of whether Jaguar's a client or not. Yeah, her pride might have taken a hit, but you'd think she'd be the first to be relieved at the prospect of never seeing Herb Rennet hanging around SCDP like a stale fart ever again.
@@aaronyoghurt3234 Don knew. He had the look of realization the moment she walked into the partners' meeting.
Faucet's got a good turn of phrase.. oh, you killed me with this one!
I "powdered my nose" on Friday; it was hell of a night!!
Vik S. Cocaine is a hell of a drug
Hahahaha
Bada Bing L M F A O !😂 ... thanks for that laugh
Marie is fucking hilarious, one of my favorite side characters on the show.
Mad men is amazing, their attention to details on every level is phenomenal...BUT, as a french-canadian, Megan's mom french is so fucking awful it just ruins everything for me. Bonus, both her, Megan and her sister all have different accents lol.
Yea the Ze Ze Ze was so mixed up with the De De De
Is it awful? Is it bad French? Or is it not what you consider proper Canadian French?
@@user-yn2ru2ep1j Africa has their own French culture too.
@@user-yn2ru2ep1j She's clearly an anglophone that doesn't speak french and was told to read french words lol. French from Quebec doesn't sound at all like french from France (and there's differences between the french depending where you are in the country). Same for English depending on where you are in the world. But in Megan's mom case, it's not even that. She simply does not speak french. At least Megan and her sister (who are both Quebeckers) have the right accent.
Some shows get the accents down and maintain consistency, while others don't do their homework and assume the majority of the viewership is Anglo, probably not caring.
I agree that they blundered this, and from a show like this, I probably would have expected better.
One of the everlasting mysteries would be whether the last name was spelled, Fawcett or Faucett?
I thought Fossett
I thought he said Forsyth. The mystery endures.
Faucet
I love the look Herb gives at 1:03 lol like bruh you’ve never been a ladies man or a mans man 😂 you got money and that’s clearly how you got your wife
One of the rude ones here was the lady who was talking in a foreign language, people always know that they're speaking negatively about them.
But, I have to agree with Italian lady, Herb's wife was an airhead.
@@paulhunter1525 She's speaking french...
Not really tho, that’s the worst “French Canadian” I’ve ever heard. That’s too bad cuz mad men is so focused on details like this usually. Everyone in Megan’s family speaks a different kind of French lol
This is one "shit" client that won't be satisfied unless he bitches constantly to get the "upper hand." I'm so glad Don Draper gave it to him. Who needs this guy to maneuver more out of the advertising company? I would give him the boot too!
I love puppies.
Don gave him...The High Hat!!!
Never felt better. DAAAAAMN
" I love puppies "
Herb never should have left Ginny. That bike shop was better than any car dealership.
Herb reminds me of Herb Tarlack from WKRP in Cincinatti. I wonder if they gave the name to the character based on him.
..would you like me to break this bottle over her head? ha ha priceless!!
I love Marie!
They put Mad Men behind the AMC paywall on Amazon, can't rewatch anymore hahaha...
😏
Sterling, wateva happened there..
And like that , Lane died for nothing
Nobody asked Lane to die over anything. Don's only guilty of not handing Lane over to the police.
@@Beaver_Monday typical American self centred hubris
@@Reprodestruxion Literally not American LMAO
@@Beaver_Monday you must be proud, you have all their bad traits. :D
@@Reprodestruxion NOOOOOOO😂😂
1:04 When the joke falls flat...
I love Marie in this scene
Donald is such a hoot.
He has moxy.
How many times have we had to use an I love puppies line during a useless empty calories conversation
That, "Are you OK?" hit Don hard. He knows he has a problem. Megan knows he has a problem. It was just the worst time for it to come out. I really hate Megan.
Christ I feel so bad for Joan
“I love puppies.”
Herb was grotesque but Don could have just ignored him instead of firing him
He crossed the line & broke the back of Don's patience by oogling Meghan & passing comments on her appearance. The look on Don's face before he gives Herb his walking papers is him looking at Herb & seeing nothing but a greedy, avaricious & self-absorbed blob of a bully who will never be satisfied with anything you give him - he will take everything you've done for him & then assess it as substandard & demanding one. More. Thing. Ad Nauseam. In that moment Don thought "Fuck THAT."
@@morganbeare1764Sounds like you’re talking about someone you know personally.
i love Marie
Could someone to tell me what it means to "write flyers at lots"?
CLASSIC!
notice how don stood up while the ladies left.
he may be a complete dirtbag but he's classy and a gentleman in public.
Don at this point never forgave him for what he did with Joan situation. He was probably looking any excuse to punch him in the face.
Classic Don
The mother speaks a very tedious French. They went for an english speaking actor that speaks little French... such a weird choice. Also Megan is from Québec, her father in the show speaks a very France French accent and her mother is english.... Such a great show but they dropped the ball on this one.
The ball was made in the US.
They're not the show for a French speaking audience...you do realize.
Not only this one...In a scene Don says Hilton means fresh towel in Farsi while it absolutely has no meaning in Farsi. This show is great enough to sell but why would they lie to face of their audience!
Her French is so bad it's painful.
@@masoud.amr71 lool nah that was for a campaign
couldn't they find an actress who could actually speak french to play Megan's mom?
Maybe they just couldn't find one that was good enough or they wanted her anyway. While she does have an accent, her french is quite impeccable; it always surprise me because I half expect her to say something that doesn't make sense.
@@rayprime8530 Her French isn't impeccable at all.
@@cahouette Well, I mean it in the sense that her wording makes a lot more sense than I'd expect it to, considering her tone and accent is super shaky.
Ray Prime No lol, as a French Canadian, it’s simply awful. Everyone in Megan’s family speaks french with a different accent lol. At least Megan and her sister do sound like they’re from Quebec.
I´m looking for a scene in the series. Don is working on a campaign but he seems distracted. He goes to the agency´s archives and pulls out an ad that says something like "she got what you need". I´ve been looking for it but I can´t seem to find the episode.
keep looking, then.
It's definitely sometime in season 6. I remember because that's the episode when Jim Cutler has the doctor in to give everyone shots.
It’s the episode where ken tap dances and the whole office is hyped cause of some drug
"The Crash", Season 6, episode 8
This show really makes me want to start back up with smoking.
I think your body is telling you something. I suggest you listen to it.
I just watched that episode yesterday what the fuck RUclips
It's hard to say that Don was in the wrong here.
Meris not really. He made a brash decision that made all of previous sacrifices by his coworkers (ESPECIALLY Joan) meaningless. It was satisfying though!
@@chaseb5376 I think it was justified. The partners decided about Joan's "actions" while Don had left the room which resulted in the account in the first place. I like to think this was Don's takeback for the partners for deciding anyway behind his back.
@@lennartschiphorst7849 Meanwhile completely forgetting about Joan and making decisions for her. Only to take it away from her. Doing this to her only to get a little bit of petty payback to the partners is unreasonable at best imo
@@chaseb5376 you're absolutely right. However, isn't that a character trait that goes well with Don's ego? Losing a valuable account and sacrificing a collaegue's dignity in order to get at the right end of things sounds like a true Draper move to me. ;)
Lennart Schiphorst Oh of course lol. I’m not hating on the writing at all. I’m not surprised at all Don would do this. It’s just not morally right imo. But Don wasn’t always a morally right guy (obvs). Taking control and making an alpha move for his own benefit even at the cost of others is Don’s MO.
anyone know the restaurant or how i could look that up?
I wondered the same thing. Beautiful place...wish I could dine there.
I think that was filmed at the Campbell Apartment....?
doubt it most of this was filmed in LA
Herb was an absolute scumbag. I'm glad Draper told him off.
Julia can do the accent really well, but I hate listening to her speaking French...
It's very veeery poor french
I did not like the character of Don Draper-- although the portrayal is accurate of the assholes of the time in big business.
Look the kid has talent. So let him in on the meeting with the ad agency. Make up some stroy about his position. Let him hear and see what is being proposed. Let him give his advice and done. You dont end up insulting the people your working with. And you get the opinion of your man.
But no you have no manners and dont see how insulting it is for some pamphlet printer in your office that makes next to nothing vet the work of a man pulling down a huge salary and does ads for a living.
I don’t get why Don was so offended. Can someone explain?
Because he wanted to continue taking advantage, to fulfill all his whims in exchange for continuing in Jaguar. The same thing Lee Garner Jr did with Roger.
Imagine that Gordon Ramsey is your personal chef. Then imagine that he has standing offers from 10 other people to be their personal chef. Now imagine that you set up a special occasion where you make a comment about his wife and then explain that the whole night is about giving Gordon the name of your nephew because he makes a mean plate of nachos.
"...Like knowing where your bread is buttered".
It's called 3 appetizers and 4 breakfasts for a man 'your size'.
Marie is pretty dang hot. *-growl-*
the way joan was treated--apalling, but unfortunately not surprising
Herb was the first realistic guy on this show
He's also disgusting
Edriss Scofield I’m sorry your luck with men has been so bad, then.
Honestly Don and his whole group just seem like jerks here. Does he even actually like puppies or is that just some rude sarcastic remark? Don't trust him at all. Still love the show though
Biden dealt with Trump this way.
What a terrible "French" accent.
The French think anything outside of Paris is bad.
Fuck France
Hahaha Megan`s mum I love her!