The show's creator, Matthew Weiner, said it himself: Don loves strangers because he is essential one himself. It's all throughout the series, especially the 7th season. The boy at the hotel he gives the car. Cooper telling him: "you like to play the stranger." The woman at the diner. Hilton was a stranger to him here. You almost always see him back off from people in the office when it comes to his life. When he finally opens up in a meeting, it is a disaster.
I find that's generally true of people, in the sense that we tend to be more honest with people we don't expect to ever see again. No consequences for our honesty. It's only highlighted online and in traffic nowadays, since we have a sense of imagined anonymity there.
a great quote from a similar show, Bojack Horseman sums this up well too: "Either you know what you want and don't get what you want, or you get what you want and then you don't know what you want". Not word for word but something to that effect, there's always something else once you get that thing you think you want, whether it be love, money or something else.
@@kristons6010 if it were me I'd have tried to vault over the Bar in one go, end up overshooting it, knock all of the glasses off the shelf along with a few bottles of liquor, sprain my leg, and make a ruckus...but I still would've gotten back up as cool as a cucumber and asked "is rye ok?"
"When I was a boy, There was a mansion on the river I used to paddle by in my jon boat. The twinkling lights, violins, girls giggling about something. It's different inside." What INCREDIBLE writing.
I think he means that when you're on the outside it looks beautiful and perfect, but when you're on the inside you feel nothing but all kinds of uncertain, negative feelings.
Absolutely. In The Apprenticeship Of Duddy Kravitz, he meets a Black Man who sits with him, talks to him and doesn't judge him although he doesn't realize he's on his way to being a Big Time Hustler.
FallaciousScotsman It's why I go to the local brewery. Gentleman next to me kept asking me to take my headphones out of my ears. He wanted to talk and joke with me. Everyone else in my life just wants my attention. This stranger wanted to hear my story.
My favorite scene in the whole series. The only person to truly out Don Draper Dick Whitman. They both just don't belong there in the highfalutin society. They are from a different world and they can't shake it, the world of self-made men come up from nothing. But even with everything they have made and have, they still make their own drinks. He's in the same room with Conrad Hilton and he doesn't even know who he really is and vice versa. They leave none the wiser. It's what the entire show was about, all encapsulated in one fantastic scene.
@@shankywestside3605 I would agree strongly. I cannot call myself that, but these guys like Conrad Hilton, Ross Perot, and many others, probably went through a lot to get to the top.
I read Conrad Hilton's book and this scene is pitch perfect. The man was an everyman and he understood every person big or small had a story to tell and it inspired him everyday when building a business that put service to the customer ahead of all things.
They used to leave a copy of Hilton’s book in many Hilton brand rooms. Read it one boring Saturday morning In Pennsylvania in the late 90’s. Damn good read.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Work parties are traps. Get one drink and nurse it for the rest of the night, or ask for black tea with a large ice cube and a wedge of orange. It can be exhausting.
I always appreciate the simple things of good acting. Him making that drink is just so natural, and his delivering of his lines so flowy that it just 'feels' like a real conversation. Like Bill talking while making the sandwich in Kill Bill. Something seemingly so simple, that's really hard to make look natural when you're acting, but pulls the viewer into the scene.
I actually tried cutting my sandwiches that way after I saw that part. I still sometimes do it. But the way he slaps the meat and the tomatoes on is so good. And he makes food whilst talking with his hands. That scene was perfection.
@@michaelzdanis3979 a small amount of soda water helps dissolve the sugar cube when you're using that instead of syrup (but not how he used it and WAY less)
This scene has so much depth. Both looking for the life they always aspired to. The bar representing the life. Jumping over counter instead of going through the conventional opening. Well at the bar coming to terms that what they are looking for really is not there. just a lesser copy of an ideal; Going for less optimal spirit. Both realising the fact that The things they really normally should enjoy (wedding and partying) becomes an demanding task when they get the life they wanted: it’s different (after you get on the) inside (of what you want).
Maybe the "inside" is likely to be a disappointment, a let-down when you get in there and find that things are more prosaic than were offered by the distant sights and sounds of people having a good time. As for anyone being "self made", I don't buy it. As someone else commented, " money goes to money and poverty goes to the grave".
Hilton was one of those great TV characters that only sticks around for a few episodes you wish was in the whole series. Like Oberyn Martell, Feech La Manna or Brother Mouzone.
Nucky Thompson ends up taking control of the Overholt distillery in none other than Pennsylvania where Don grew up. I swear Boardwalk Empire and Mad Men take place in the same universe. I absolutely adore both shows so very much.
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 I think I've read that Old Overholt was considered one of the most popular whiskies in the late 1800's or early 1900's if I'm not mistaken. Not for sure on this, but seems like I've read it online from different sources a couple of times. Of course I'm sure it's changed in recipe and quality since then, like any of the famous brands most likely have.
@@yearginclarke Sadly cant compare, as ive not had 2 year whiskey that was made in 1890. it is really good for an old fashioned. even tho i dont really like the way of making that was popular in the 50s, which is how don does it. also that style pretty universally calls for bourbon lol
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 I've never tried Overholt but will get around to it someday. I like the traditional simple version of an old fashioned rather than the versions that came later with club soda, muddled fruit and whatnot.
Literally every scene clip on RUclips of the show makes you wanna watch the entire series. There’s no way do you can watch three or four minutes of this and not think yourself “I need more“
I love this scene, it's masterfully acted...the little pauses, the inflections, the dialogue. I could watch it over and over and still find something fresh in it.
james monroe Connie says he’s a republican (who’s mascot is an elephant) but he feels like a jackass which is another word for donkey and the donkey is the Democratic party’s mascot.
Perfectly explained, TY. Also the reference to a Midsummer Night's Dream where Puck gives Bottom the head of an ass, which neatly ties in with how Connie feels like the "butt" of the joke at this party with all this old Republican money hanging around.
@@SP69462 True. But if a person can talk and mix a drink at the same time as a matter of normalcy, doesn't it stand to reason that an actor can do it if he or she knows their lines?
no expectations, but a willingness to put on the best appearance. Here, Connie knows Don isn't after anything because Don doesn't even know its Connie.
Paris is an amazing women, and if someone isn't proud of her, they are either easily taking by dumber people or they are a piece of shit. Don't really care what Connie thought, and neither should you.
Eastern Wind Nah the mid-2000's to early '10s were the golden era serialized tv dramas. The quality of the directing, writing, acting, and production brought realism to your 40-inch screen. Now it's just a bunch of emotional-pandering political nonsense.
@@somethingsomethingusername802 Actually Paris has by her own independent ingenuity, fashion sense and true grit (as to expose, to reform or close it, a prisonlike reform school her parents sent her to as a teen) catapulted the name higher than Hilton left it. For example, his "convent school girl" wife Zsa Zsa slept with his son Nicky (the first Mr. Elizabeth Taylor). Not high moral "class."
I've made Old Fashioneds for 20 years similar to that (I use large cubes of ice and make my own simple syrups), and people used to call me "grandpa" for drinking them. Now they're in style again and every get-together I get asked "How do you make those again???" :D Remember- nerds are just cool kids a decade or two too soon!
Old dude almost has his palm facing down for the first handshake, a total power move. Then after sharing some stories he warms up and offers a more friendly handshake. Look at the angle of his hand.
Great scene. Funny how Don starts in a rush, jumping over the bar, and ends standing there smoking a cigarette as Hilton walks away. He doesn’t recognize Hilton, but I think he’s processing their exchange.
One of my favorite scenes in the whole series. I love everything about it. The writing, the jazz softly playing in the background, the low lighting. Perfect scene for me.
Chelcie Ross seemed like a good man. I met him in Flagstaff, AZ a few years ago when he was driving through. Been lucky enough to meet more than a few celebrities traveling to the Grande Canyon or Sedona. He came into the brewery I was managing at the time and got some food to go. He joked that he was glad someone still recognized him. That was about 6 years ago.
I love the verbal fencing between them. That exchange of "service always this good around here/you're not a member either" as they size each other up is spot on
one of my favorite scenes from all of Mad Men, neither of them fit in at all because they are self-made men who grew up as poor as dirt and have had to make their own way (symbolized by having to make their own drinks) their whole lives
its a cruel twist of fate that they feel ashamed (inadequate?) at their success and trapped between never being able to go home and be that little boy playing in the river or be fully accepted as adults with all their wealth and success - in spite of their success and because of it.
Thanks for posting this clip. Chelcie Ross is a terrific character actor with a great resume. His performances capture the character whether he is portraying Dan Devine in the film Rudy or as Connie Hilton on MM.
Yes. It's not an old fashioned. We know. They are just busy men doing the best with what they have at hand. It's like when Archer just had tequila and kahlua, and made a Black Mexican.
+Adrian Jutronich Except that it's not what he leaves out that is the problem, it's all the extra he puts in to it. An old fashioned is pretty much just sugar, bitters, and whiskey. Adding soda and muddling the cherries is what cheap, incompetent bartenders do to the cocktail.
Brian Saunders Which is why it's confusing that he made it like he was in a modern day nightclub instead of making it like anybody at all would have in the 60's. AKA no soda water.
Ryan Cox I agree except for a few things. First he was muddling the sugar cube which is why the soda made no sense, originally people used a splash of water instead of soda water but the entire purpose of either was to dissolve the sugar cube since sugar doesn't devolve to well in alcohol and bitters is mainly alcohol. I mean yes, use a splash of soda if you want to but put it in the glass to muddle the sugar with, not in the mixing glass with the whiskey! Most people don't even dissolve the sugar at all, they will do his method of muddling the sugar and bitters and let the ice slowly dissolve it as the drink warms up but putting the soda in with the whiskey... that is a newbie mistake.
This writing, this scene, this….seemingly throw away script, is what makes these characters awesome! 2 very rich, ambitious people that we get to learn how they struggled when they were young…all over a drink being made!!!
To establish the kinda company they drinking with. Stories taste different when you know the Drink is is self-made. When he says it feels different inside What he means is there are probably ton of ppl in the other room waiting for the bar to open While they are already making their own drinks and practicing their own form of snobbery.
“Nice estate of a property though!” - god the detail in the writing is phenomenal. I’ve rewatched this show so many time. Never fail to pick up something new each time.
@@m.alencar947 Hilton would pay close attention to properties, like the wedding venue, given his hotel business. I thought it was a great line to set up/ introduce the character.
@ D. Clark Bourbon is whiskey (as are rye and scotch) . And rye is actually preferred for an old fashioned. Though it's a matter of personal preference in the end. Some folks even like it with brandy.
This entire scene takes place in front of a mirror and I can't stop thinking about how technically difficult it must have been to keep the camera and the boom out of the shot. But the reflection in the mirror makes the whole scene more interesting to me.
Currently on vacation in Appalachian country and brought a bottle of old overholt. Bottle was gone in 1 day but it made me think of this scene. Cheers.
I've encountered many successful businessmen the same way while working as a staff officer on the cruise lines. It's 3am, the ship is rocking and the men can't sleep. Mysteriously we all seem to make our way to the lounge where I'm the only one with a key to the cabinet. Of course I replaced it all from my private stock, but they didn't need to know that.
@@retroguy9494 You don't make a great, multi-national business without being a jerk. Visionaries know what they want, and have to bully people into paying attention, since everyone else thinks they know better.
The arc with Hilton reflects so much of reality so well. I’ve now worked for a couple billionaire founders. It’s intoxicating to work with them - you feel so special - until you realize they only have time for very few “loves”, their business and maybe a handful of people like their immediate family. Everyone else is a means to those ends. I really admire their ruthless clarity (and how hard it is to replicate).
Those who complain the drink isn't a real old-fashioned. Don literally said at the start of the clip, "I don't have much time." He's making the cocktail spontaneously without planning.
+F33bs Dear God. No. Bourbon and Rye Whiskey aint the same thing. Old fashioned can be made with anything really. But a very traditional one is made with Rye Whiskey or Bourbon. You can make it with Rum too.
+SecretAgentMan00 That's not the problem. He's actually doing more work than he needs to. There should be no soda, and no muddling of any cherries. Literally just has to mix the sugar with the bitters and add some whiskey and ice. That's an old fashioned at it's essence. If he was in a rush he actually did more work and didn't make a traditional old fashioned in the end. Its nit picking by people who really like cocktails, really, but it's valid.
+benjo0101 As a Wisconsinite, we use Brandy. I've had a few Whiskey ones and I can't imagine walking into a bar, ordering an Old Fashioned, and getting one with Whiskey. They are much better with Brandy.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Don would not know who Conrad Hilton was, and therefore recognize him? Or did their agency not a have a single hotel/motel chain...?
I like how he tells his true background story to Hilton, and simultaneously he jumps over the bar and is still the one left behind it when Connie Hilton leaves. It shows how he was stuck, an undeveloping character wrought in trauma, regardless of how the ruling class brought him to their heights as regalia.
Since Don always has an angle, I always wondered if he made that story up just to put the guy at ease since he smelled money which is always opportunity.
look closely at the glasses. he puts olives in both but then moments later someone on set must have caught the mistake and replaced them with cherries. olives dont go in an old fashion. you also dont muddle the cherries, but whatever artistic license i guess.
@@andy-stone it's not how I was taught to make an old fashioned. But it was a mid century thing so you were probably taught to make one by an old timer. You're fine dont worry about it.
I used to make old fashioned's for wealthy Italians and Jews at country clubs in Pennsylvania coal country while I was in college before I left the rust belt to start my real life back in the late 90's. Needless to say, I learned a lot of things from those wealthy people back then and it helped shape me into the business professional I am today, even though I'll never ever be one of them.
just a couple observations over all the Old Fashioned discussion - the first thing he puts in the glasses is sugar cubes, original recipe does not call for orange bitters, I have two bartending guides from the 60s and both call for a splash of soda (sometimes optional) - yes, he adds a little too much soda but otherwise the drink is period correct, other than he had to use rye and the original always called for bourbon
George Jasper You're supposed to use the splash of soda to dissolve the sugar cube since sugar doesn't dissolve in alcohol well and bitters is mainly alcohol. I prefer to use a splash of water instead of soda to dissolve the sugar and stir the drink less to give it equal dilution, that is of course if the bar I'm working at doesn't have simple syrup and I'm not in a hurry. Anyway, there are plenty of people who would send the drink back if you make it the way he did. As for orange bitters it certainly isn't required but it improves the taste especially since most people put an orange twist in the drink (I usually use a mix of Angostura bitters and orange bitters) and if I'm not mistaken the original recipe does in fact call for rye whiskey but as with most drinks it is a preference and many people do like it with bourbon, hell I've served brandy old fashions!
George Jasper I did a bit more research a few days after this post, from what I gathered an original "old fashion" wasn't actually a recipe as much as a way to prepare a drink. I can't remember the year but a long time ago the original mixed drinks were simply bitters, sugar and a spirit of choice. After a while, people started creating different drink recipes so people would place an order like "I would like a whiskey mixed drinks prepared the old fashioned way". Even then it was very common for someone to order rum, whiskey, brandy and even tequila old fashions. Eventually the drink was simply named the old fashion and it became a whiskey drink simply because that was the overwhelmingly most popular spirit people ordered for an old fashion. People still like to use different spirits for an old fashion, I have seen RUclips ads for rum old fashions even recently. And thanks for the tip about brandy old fashions, I still occasionally get asked for one so now I know to ask them if they are from Wisconsin, small talk tips like that are invaluable in this line of work.
Old-fashioned was first described in 1806, fell out of fashion in the 1860s, made a resurgence with prohibition, and has been the most popular cocktail served in bars around the world since 1918. It was absolutely common and known to bartenders during every single decade of the 20th century.
How does this comment have so many likes? The Old Fashioned has been around since the early 1800s. Of course over the decades different whiskeys and bourbons were thrown in and out but it was definitely well known in the 60s. Why do you think they are both looking to make one? Even as old as this man is it was popular before he was even born.
I’m a bartender. If some dude in a suit hopped over the bar and started making his own cocktails, this is exactly how I’d react. You don’t see that everyday.
Don Drapers' mental fortitude is both nothing short of Inspirational or questionable, it operates just enough it that grey area of familiarity to my subconscious prosperity so it can fuel me reliably enough to keep on believing in myself and more than that, my future, Even if it is based on the wish of A person who wants to be himself but is forced into living A lie, even that has unexpectedly become relatable
I love how Don is more okay with telling random strangers about his life than actual family like his wife
The show's creator, Matthew Weiner, said it himself: Don loves strangers because he is essential one himself. It's all throughout the series, especially the 7th season. The boy at the hotel he gives the car. Cooper telling him: "you like to play the stranger." The woman at the diner. Hilton was a stranger to him here. You almost always see him back off from people in the office when it comes to his life. When he finally opens up in a meeting, it is a disaster.
I find that's generally true of people, in the sense that we tend to be more honest with people we don't expect to ever see again. No consequences for our honesty. It's only highlighted online and in traffic nowadays, since we have a sense of imagined anonymity there.
This phenomenon is the reason that therapy exists
Know your audience
this is precisely why he moves on when his mistresses start to know him too well
"its different inside." perfect parable of mad men: getting what you think you want isn't always the answer.
a great quote from a similar show, Bojack Horseman sums this up well too: "Either you know what you want and don't get what you want, or you get what you want and then you don't know what you want". Not word for word but something to that effect, there's always something else once you get that thing you think you want, whether it be love, money or something else.
It sure never is what you imagined it to be.
Reminds me of a line from the Sandman series, "The problem with getting what you want is getting what once you wanted."
This reminds me of the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for or else it may come true."
happiness is just a moment before you need more happiness
He even makes jumping over a bar counter look classy.
Looked pretty awkward if you ask me
@@robertostevens2666 Can jumping over a counter ever look cool in that setting? Not in real life. But Don does it so smoothly. That's classy enough.
@@kristons6010 if it were me I'd have tried to vault over the Bar in one go, end up overshooting it, knock all of the glasses off the shelf along with a few bottles of liquor, sprain my leg, and make a ruckus...but I still would've gotten back up as cool as a cucumber and asked "is rye ok?"
@@somethingsomethingusername802 I can relate...
There is a hole right there however.
"When I was a boy, There was a mansion on the river I used to paddle by in my jon boat. The twinkling lights, violins, girls giggling about something. It's different inside." What INCREDIBLE writing.
Jeffrey Gillespie i dont get it
I think he means that when you're on the outside it looks beautiful and perfect, but when you're on the inside you feel nothing but all kinds of uncertain, negative feelings.
Jeffrey Gillespie one of the best scenes in the show history. The pacing and dialogue par excellence
Jeffrey Gillespie this was a top five scene in madmen history. Maybe tv history
In a different context, “It’s different inside” could be copy for an ad Don Draper writes
Sometimes, the best friend you could ever need is a stranger to share a drink with at the bar.
hear hear!
FallaciousScotsman you can be the most honest with someone you'll potentially never see again....which makes for a great conversation
Absolutely. In The Apprenticeship Of Duddy Kravitz, he meets a Black Man who sits with him, talks to him and doesn't judge him although he doesn't realize he's on his way to being a Big Time Hustler.
FallaciousScotsman It's why I go to the local brewery. Gentleman next to me kept asking me to take my headphones out of my ears. He wanted to talk and joke with me. Everyone else in my life just wants my attention. This stranger wanted to hear my story.
Agreed. Some of the best times I’ve had have been at hotel or airport bars while traveling for work.
I laughed when he just climbs over the counter.
"There's no bourbon."
"Uggghhhh, don't care. Too sober."
"I dont have time"
but he has time to drink... hmmmm
Myrdred, The drink was his need. Once that need was satisfied, there was no rush.
@@JoeBlac withdrawals
Ironically, the drink was made more traditionally with rye anyway.
@@shikari94 Probably more boredom and feeling out of place. There's nothing worse. Not everything is awful about moderate drinking
My favorite scene in the whole series. The only person to truly out Don Draper Dick Whitman. They both just don't belong there in the highfalutin society. They are from a different world and they can't shake it, the world of self-made men come up from nothing. But even with everything they have made and have, they still make their own drinks. He's in the same room with Conrad Hilton and he doesn't even know who he really is and vice versa. They leave none the wiser. It's what the entire show was about, all encapsulated in one fantastic scene.
steveohmygoodness7 favorite scene in tv history
Do not ever forget or be ashamed of where you came from.
Good synopsis...shame is the theme, and who needs it?
This whole self made man thing is not as easy as it looks
@@shankywestside3605 I would agree strongly. I cannot call myself that, but these guys like Conrad Hilton, Ross Perot, and many others, probably went through a lot to get to the top.
I read Conrad Hilton's book and this scene is pitch perfect. The man was an everyman and he understood every person big or small had a story to tell and it inspired him everyday when building a business that put service to the customer ahead of all things.
I’m now 59, but 42 years ago, I wrote my college admission essay about Conrad Hilton’s book, Be My Guest.
@@1967mercurycougar still got it on the top of my shelf 😊
They used to leave a copy of Hilton’s book in many Hilton brand rooms. Read it one boring Saturday morning In Pennsylvania in the late 90’s. Damn good read.
I went to college in Conrad Hilton's home town, Socorro, NM. The man knew what it takes to build a business.
"I'm at work disguised as a party."
As a businessman, I have known that to be far too accurate.
Every networker ever
Growing up the only parties I ever went to was to bus tables.
Eric dee we are all so impressed by your bull shit
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Work parties are traps. Get one drink and nurse it for the rest of the night, or ask for black tea with a large ice cube and a wedge of orange. It can be exhausting.
My favorite were golf vacations disguised as a business conference.
I always appreciate the simple things of good acting. Him making that drink is just so natural, and his delivering of his lines so flowy that it just 'feels' like a real conversation. Like Bill talking while making the sandwich in Kill Bill. Something seemingly so simple, that's really hard to make look natural when you're acting, but pulls the viewer into the scene.
I love that scene. Even the way Carodine holds the shot glass when he's talking to Beatrice.
well said
Makes me want to eat a peanut butter sandwich every time I see that part.
I actually tried cutting my sandwiches that way after I saw that part. I still sometimes do it. But the way he slaps the meat and the tomatoes on is so good. And he makes food whilst talking with his hands. That scene was perfection.
As Cody Jinks says, “you never know who you’re talking to, treat saints and sinners the same.” Awesome segment!
It's like Gatsby meeting himself at one of his parties.
That's an apt analogy. If he never found Daisy again but was able to move on from her, in a way. It's like meeting his younger self.
“You look like you know what you’re doing” really about sums up the facade doesn’t it?
Particularly as he doesn't. No need to add soda water (or whatever was in the bottle) to the rye. The ice provides the dilution in the drink.
@@michaelzdanis3979 Right. I have tended bar for a "few" years, and I never added club soda to an Old Fashioned.
@@OhioPaulDE but I hope you would have put a few dashes of plain water in.
keeping up appearances
@@michaelzdanis3979 a small amount of soda water helps dissolve the sugar cube when you're using that instead of syrup (but not how he used it and WAY less)
god I miss this show. best there ever was
I second that motion
same here. Man he was cool. And the show soo broad. Felt like a good book
Simon T
Its amazing but try The West Wing and The Sopranos ;)
Haven't finished it yet. Gonna whatch it all over again.
This scene has so much depth. Both looking for the life they always aspired to. The bar representing the life. Jumping over counter instead of going through the conventional opening. Well at the bar coming to terms that what they are looking for really is not there. just a lesser copy of an ideal; Going for less optimal spirit. Both realising the fact that
The things they really normally should enjoy (wedding and partying) becomes an demanding task when they get the life they wanted: it’s different (after you get on the) inside (of what you want).
Thought I was the only one who looks at movies and series like that
Great take
well said!
Excellent analysis!
Maybe the "inside" is likely to be a disappointment, a let-down when you get in there and find that things are more prosaic than were offered by the distant sights and sounds of people having a good time.
As for anyone being "self made", I don't buy it. As someone else commented, " money goes to money and poverty goes to the grave".
How to get Don Draper to jump over the bar: say "there's no bourbon"
I love how they used Old Overholt, the original American rye. Could have used Sazerac but a bar with no Bourbon but Sazerac would have been odd.
Don prefers Rye, so the Old Overholt he's using here is probably more suited to his tastes anyway.
If he’s from PA he would prefer rye, the whiskey of the Mid Atlantic!
Hilton was one of those great TV characters that only sticks around for a few episodes you wish was in the whole series.
Like Oberyn Martell, Feech La Manna or Brother Mouzone.
Brother Mouzone would be an outstanding protagonist for a series
Agreed. A whole season focused on him would have been great. But then, he cut such a strong presence he would have overwhelmed all else.
They couldn't get rid of Feech LaManna fast enough for me.
Mouzone was a cartoon
Great moments are so great because they weren't meant to last.
Every single scene in this entire series is the best-written scene in the entire series.
Now I want an old fashioned and it's 8am in the morning
Better late than never
...as opposed to 8am in the evening
It’ll be better tonight
Focus your mind on China’s time then
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
I like how Don seamlessly places the Old Overholt label in perfect view as he sets down the bottle, like he's performing an ad.
Nucky Thompson ends up taking control of the Overholt distillery in none other than Pennsylvania where Don grew up. I swear Boardwalk Empire and Mad Men take place in the same universe. I absolutely adore both shows so very much.
A bar a worked at for a bit had old overholt as the well whiskey. There are better but really not a bad rye for all the shit it gets now a days
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 I think I've read that Old Overholt was considered one of the most popular whiskies in the late 1800's or early 1900's if I'm not mistaken. Not for sure on this, but seems like I've read it online from different sources a couple of times. Of course I'm sure it's changed in recipe and quality since then, like any of the famous brands most likely have.
@@yearginclarke Sadly cant compare, as ive not had 2 year whiskey that was made in 1890.
it is really good for an old fashioned. even tho i dont really like the way of making that was popular in the 50s, which is how don does it. also that style pretty universally calls for bourbon lol
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 I've never tried Overholt but will get around to it someday. I like the traditional simple version of an old fashioned rather than the versions that came later with club soda, muddled fruit and whatnot.
Literally every scene clip on RUclips of the show makes you wanna watch the entire series.
There’s no way do you can watch three or four minutes of this and not think yourself “I need more“
Literally?
I love this scene, it's masterfully acted...the little pauses, the inflections, the dialogue. I could watch it over and over and still find something fresh in it.
Me too. See you in a couple years
Connie's line about having the head of a jackass was so subtly great that it almost went over my head the first time I watched this scene. Classic.
james monroe Connie says he’s a republican (who’s mascot is an elephant) but he feels like a jackass which is another word for donkey and the donkey is the Democratic party’s mascot.
Perfectly explained, TY. Also the reference to a Midsummer Night's Dream where Puck gives Bottom the head of an ass, which neatly ties in with how Connie feels like the "butt" of the joke at this party with all this old Republican money hanging around.
@@joshross2697 Oh man! Thanks for the explanation, that's perfect. And also the Shakespeare reference, pretty cool Stefanthenautilus very cool
@@joshross2697 it’s also a reference to Midsummer Night’s Dream when Titania falls in love with the donkey headed guy.
Plus Republicans have the donkey symbol
great acting. Doing the mix while talking is a great skill while making the scene more authentic.
I can talk and mix a drink at the same time. It requires no great skill.
@@retroguy9494 acting and talking is not the same
@@SP69462 True. But if a person can talk and mix a drink at the same time as a matter of normalcy, doesn't it stand to reason that an actor can do it if he or she knows their lines?
@@retroguy9494 Acting is a lot more than "knowing lines" lmao
@@retroguy9494 talking about nonsense, sure
Sometimes people you don't know are the best company.
no expectations, but a willingness to put on the best appearance. Here, Connie knows Don isn't after anything because Don doesn't even know its Connie.
I’d love to see Connie’s reaction to his great grandchildren.
He married Zsa Zsa Gabor. Dysfunctional diva families were nothing new to him.
@@daveconleyportfolio5192 I think it's worth mentioning that Connie was crazier than a shithouse rat himself. "I wanted the moon!"
You already know the answer: He cut them out of his will.
@@rockduded8925 I am deeply disappointed.
Paris is an amazing women, and if someone isn't proud of her, they are either easily taking by dumber people or they are a piece of shit. Don't really care what Connie thought, and neither should you.
Lesson.....be courteous to everyone you meet. You never know how it may turn out!
One of the iconic scenes of a era-defining decade of television.
The 2010s? Maybe defining for the death of television...
More like an iconic scene of the ONLY decent series on television in the latter half of that decade!
Eastern Wind Nah the mid-2000's to early '10s were the golden era serialized tv dramas. The quality of the directing, writing, acting, and production brought realism to your 40-inch screen. Now it's just a bunch of emotional-pandering political nonsense.
"by golly you're prickly"
I really dont get this part, can someone explain?
"I said give me the moon!"
That's Conrad Hilton, founder of Hilton Hotels, and Paris Hilton's great grandfather.
And Zsa Zsa Gabor's first husband, and father of Elizabeth Taylor's first husband.
No way. I thought it was Conrad Dobler.
Conrad Birdie.
Oh how far the Hilton name has fallen
@@somethingsomethingusername802 Actually Paris has by her own independent ingenuity, fashion sense and true grit (as to expose, to reform or close it, a prisonlike reform school her parents sent her to as a teen) catapulted the name higher than Hilton left it. For example, his "convent school girl" wife Zsa Zsa slept with his son Nicky (the first Mr. Elizabeth Taylor). Not high moral "class."
the actor the plays Connie looks like he could play a very convincing John Waters.
Are you trying to say that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?
LOL
I've made Old Fashioneds for 20 years similar to that (I use large cubes of ice and make my own simple syrups), and people used to call me "grandpa" for drinking them. Now they're in style again and every get-together I get asked "How do you make those again???" :D
Remember- nerds are just cool kids a decade or two too soon!
Hear hear
I’m 49 and I never had an old fashion. Until I saw this scene browsing RUclips. Never saw the show either. Now it’s my drink of choice.
Shit that didn't happen. You fuckin' dork.
@@Milofchg well that wasnt an old fashion he made, looked like a whiskey soda
@@limelight_gaming9933 Meh.. it kind of is... just a shit version honestly lol
Old dude almost has his palm facing down for the first handshake, a total power move. Then after sharing some stories he warms up and offers a more friendly handshake. Look at the angle of his hand.
Good catch.
And you can see Don sort of hesitate at shaking it.
That salesmanship 201 bible of manners.
What a delightful detail to pick up on. I'm impressed. Wish I noticed things like that!
I miss having new seasons of this series. It was so freaking good, from beginning to end.
Chelcie Ross, the actor playing Hilton, is fantastic.
Hey Bartender!!!! Jobu needs a refill!!!
I looked at the thumbnail and thought it was john waters for a second
He's got one heck of a curve ball too!
Rub a little jalopeno on it... YOU PUT SNOT ON THE BALL???
@@clairefreeman6273 I'm throwing every piece of junk I can think of Skipper. I got enough left for one more hitter.
Great scene. Funny how Don starts in a rush, jumping over the bar, and ends standing there smoking a cigarette as Hilton walks away. He doesn’t recognize Hilton, but I think he’s processing their exchange.
Hilton just feels powerful.
One of my favorite scenes in the whole series. I love everything about it. The writing, the jazz softly playing in the background, the low lighting. Perfect scene for me.
Chelcie Ross seemed like a good man. I met him in Flagstaff, AZ a few years ago when he was driving through. Been lucky enough to meet more than a few celebrities traveling to the Grande Canyon or Sedona. He came into the brewery I was managing at the time and got some food to go. He joked that he was glad someone still recognized him. That was about 6 years ago.
Imagine making a helluva cocktail at a country club bar for none other than Conrad Hilton without even knowing it.
" there is a hole at the end "
" I don't have a lot of time, I'm an alcoholic "
I love the verbal fencing between them. That exchange of "service always this good around here/you're not a member either" as they size each other up is spot on
one of my favorite scenes from all of Mad Men, neither of them fit in at all because they are self-made men who grew up as poor as dirt and have had to make their own way (symbolized by having to make their own drinks) their whole lives
its a cruel twist of fate that they feel ashamed (inadequate?) at their success and trapped between never being able to go home and be that little boy playing in the river or be fully accepted as adults with all their wealth and success - in spite of their success and because of it.
Thanks for posting this clip. Chelcie Ross is a terrific character actor with a great resume. His performances capture the character whether he is portraying Dan Devine in the film Rudy or as Connie Hilton on MM.
I still think of one line when I see him in anything, “Are you saying that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?” 😂
Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill!
Loved every scene with Draper and Hilton , the best one was when Don got a standing ovation from them team when Conrad visited him
Yes. It's not an old fashioned. We know. They are just busy men doing the best with what they have at hand. It's like when Archer just had tequila and kahlua, and made a Black Mexican.
+Adrian Jutronich Except that it's not what he leaves out that is the problem, it's all the extra he puts in to it. An old fashioned is pretty much just sugar, bitters, and whiskey. Adding soda and muddling the cherries is what cheap, incompetent bartenders do to the cocktail.
I don't know why people criticize this old fashioned. The concept of the drink was different in the 60's.
black Mexican lol
Brian Saunders Which is why it's confusing that he made it like he was in a modern day nightclub instead of making it like anybody at all would have in the 60's. AKA no soda water.
Ryan Cox I agree except for a few things. First he was muddling the sugar cube which is why the soda made no sense, originally people used a splash of water instead of soda water but the entire purpose of either was to dissolve the sugar cube since sugar doesn't devolve to well in alcohol and bitters is mainly alcohol. I mean yes, use a splash of soda if you want to but put it in the glass to muddle the sugar with, not in the mixing glass with the whiskey! Most people don't even dissolve the sugar at all, they will do his method of muddling the sugar and bitters and let the ice slowly dissolve it as the drink warms up but putting the soda in with the whiskey... that is a newbie mistake.
One of the show's most beautifully crafted scenes
This writing, this scene, this….seemingly throw away script, is what makes these characters awesome! 2 very rich, ambitious people that we get to learn how they struggled when they were young…all over a drink being made!!!
Why oh why, is this scene so relaxing? Connie is one of the most important and underrated characters in Mad Men.
I like how these two wealthy men feel the need to establish their "came up from nothing" bona fides right off the bat.
To establish the kinda company they drinking with.
Stories taste different when you know the
Drink is is self-made.
When he says it feels different inside
What he means is there are probably ton of ppl in the other room waiting for the bar to open
While they are already making their own drinks and practicing their own form of snobbery.
@@yonisali3879 nice!
But they're not projecting... they both actually came from nothing, not sure about hilton but don definitively
@@powfoot4946 Conrad Hilton founded the hotel chain, essentially coming from almost nothing. He had a series of very lucky events though.
To SJWs, self made men are something contemptible.
One of my favorite scenes for some reason
“Nice estate of a property though!” - god the detail in the writing is phenomenal. I’ve rewatched this show so many time. Never fail to pick up something new each time.
didn't get it
@@m.alencar947 Hilton would pay close attention to properties, like the wedding venue, given his hotel business. I thought it was a great line to set up/ introduce the character.
never watched the show but based on this scene alone i can tell why it has such a legendary status.
0:14 Jon Hamm practicing his Emmy entrance.
aaaand I'm watching the series all over again
Had my first old fashioned last night, and it IS a helluva cocktail.
As long as you make a mean cocktail, you can make anyone happy.
The more context you learn about this scene, the more compelling it becomes.
my favorite scene out of all 7 seasons
Definitely watching this while drinking an Old Fashioned
Robert Robichaud me too
Robert Robichaud same here
Tom Macy sent me here. I made one a while ago. Ice hasn’t melted. I live in Houston. 🥃
Definitely pretentious.
"I haven't got a lot of time." proceeds to kick back with a smoke
He didn't have time because he NEEDED a drink NOW!
@ D. Clark Bourbon is whiskey (as are rye and scotch) . And rye is actually preferred for an old fashioned. Though it's a matter of personal preference in the end. Some folks even like it with brandy.
Those people are in Wisconsin.
what is he grinding in the glasses?
@@nmarbletoe8210 He's crushing up the sugar cube and/or muddling the aromatics to release oils.
This entire scene takes place in front of a mirror and I can't stop thinking about how technically difficult it must have been to keep the camera and the boom out of the shot. But the reflection in the mirror makes the whole scene more interesting to me.
Nice attention to detail by the uploader. Making us watch it in 240p so it would really feel like the 60's.
Hahaha yeah, like even 13 years ago people uploaded at least 720p stuff if they could
Hamm was made for this role. unlikely that he will reprise it for any sequel. however would be interesting if they did a Mad Men in the 70s series.
I would say it will never happen. The producers of the show have moved on.
I think the 80s would be a better decade to see Draper in.
@@brucewayne5891 he'd be in his 50s, and a grandfather. The classy magic would be gone.
RonJohn63 classy grandfathers exist too
@@nkm11tbm #1 they're a different kind of classy. #2 it would be the 1980s, and that -- in itself -- is pretty trashy.
I have been saving this on my watch later list & rewatching it for years.
The sound design is awesome in this scene!!
There’s way more to him jumping over the bar, then just walking around than people realize.
I think I'm going to Netflix, start at episode one and watch the entire series again.
Try Amazon
@@vantheman12welshman66 Is it cheaper?
Ive done this twice.
hope you finished it in time buddy
Buy the series. That way you can usually get into Weiner’s head and also many of the other actors and writers. Marvelous!
Currently on vacation in Appalachian country and brought a bottle of old overholt. Bottle was gone in 1 day but it made me think of this scene. Cheers.
Old overholt is good.I recognized that label instantly.
You can tell Don has worked behind a bar, he made sure the label always faced out
I've encountered many successful businessmen the same way while working as a staff officer on the cruise lines. It's 3am, the ship is rocking and the men can't sleep. Mysteriously we all seem to make our way to the lounge where I'm the only one with a key to the cabinet. Of course I replaced it all from my private stock, but they didn't need to know that.
Can you imagine meeting THE Conrad HILTON,, like that ?? holy smokes . the Actor even looks a little like him .
"When I say I want the moon Don, I want the moon!" The guy was a real jerk. So was the other hotel pioneer J W Marriott.
@@retroguy9494 You don't make a great, multi-national business without being a jerk.
Visionaries know what they want, and have to bully people into paying attention, since everyone else thinks they know better.
The arc with Hilton reflects so much of reality so well. I’ve now worked for a couple billionaire founders. It’s intoxicating to work with them - you feel so special - until you realize they only have time for very few “loves”, their business and maybe a handful of people like their immediate family. Everyone else is a means to those ends. I really admire their ruthless clarity (and how hard it is to replicate).
Club soda Don? Wtf
One of my favorite scenes from any show ever.
Those who complain the drink isn't a real old-fashioned. Don literally said at the start of the clip, "I don't have much time."
He's making the cocktail spontaneously without planning.
+SecretAgentMan00 Yeah, plus Connie said there wasn't any Bourbon.
+F33bs Dear God. No. Bourbon and Rye Whiskey aint the same thing. Old fashioned can be made with anything really. But a very traditional one is made with Rye Whiskey or Bourbon. You can make it with Rum too.
+SecretAgentMan00 That's not the problem. He's actually doing more work than he needs to. There should be no soda, and no muddling of any cherries. Literally just has to mix the sugar with the bitters and add some whiskey and ice. That's an old fashioned at it's essence. If he was in a rush he actually did more work and didn't make a traditional old fashioned in the end. Its nit picking by people who really like cocktails, really, but it's valid.
+Chris Grady totally agree with that. people do make it how he did, but it's not traditional and is more work.
+benjo0101 As a Wisconsinite, we use Brandy. I've had a few Whiskey ones and I can't imagine walking into a bar, ordering an Old Fashioned, and getting one with Whiskey. They are much better with Brandy.
“All those expectations”. That stuck with me
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Don would not know who Conrad Hilton was, and therefore recognize him?
Or did their agency not a have a single hotel/motel chain...?
Classic scene!
Mad Men is so good that even the clinking of ice is artistic.
Definitely a classy show and it makes me want to drink and smoke.
I like how he tells his true background story to Hilton, and simultaneously he jumps over the bar and is still the one left behind it when Connie Hilton leaves. It shows how he was stuck, an undeveloping character wrought in trauma, regardless of how the ruling class brought him to their heights as regalia.
Since Don always has an angle, I always wondered if he made that story up just to put the guy at ease since he smelled money which is always opportunity.
NO one could forget Roger and his dress up, singing my Old Kentucky Home. Mixed emotions on that one, for sure.
They have a disclaimer for it at the beginning. It does show the times and Roger's and Jane's apathy. Don and Pete were clearly put off by it.
look closely at the glasses. he puts olives in both but then moments later someone on set must have caught the mistake and replaced them with cherries. olives dont go in an old fashion. you also dont muddle the cherries, but whatever artistic license i guess.
i saw him crushing those cherries and was wondering if it was a new york thing.
Mid century old fashioned would have muddled fruit. It was a dark time.
@@justwillforshort by god I had no clue that sounds gross. But well researched.
@@piepotatosandturtle2 wait, you don't muddle your cherry into the sugar/bitters in the bottom? Am I screwing this up?
@@andy-stone it's not how I was taught to make an old fashioned. But it was a mid century thing so you were probably taught to make one by an old timer. You're fine dont worry about it.
What a great line”It’s different inside.”
I used to watch this over and over to learn how to make old fashions. Sober 2 years now.
I used to make old fashioned's for wealthy Italians and Jews at country clubs in Pennsylvania coal country while I was in college before I left the rust belt to start my real life back in the late 90's. Needless to say, I learned a lot of things from those wealthy people back then and it helped shape me into the business professional I am today, even though I'll never ever be one of them.
Man this is some great acting. Can’t figure out which one is more of a man’s man.
Back when life still had no meaning, but at least you could smoke indoors.
This literally taught me how to make an old fashioned. I still do it exactly this way.
So you fucking do it wrong.
So you do an awful old fashioned then
You make an awful old fashioned mate
just a couple observations over all the Old Fashioned discussion - the first thing he puts in the glasses is sugar cubes, original recipe does not call for orange bitters, I have two bartending guides from the 60s and both call for a splash of soda (sometimes optional) - yes, he adds a little too much soda but otherwise the drink is period correct, other than he had to use rye and the original always called for bourbon
George Jasper You're supposed to use the splash of soda to dissolve the sugar cube since sugar doesn't dissolve in alcohol well and bitters is mainly alcohol. I prefer to use a splash of water instead of soda to dissolve the sugar and stir the drink less to give it equal dilution, that is of course if the bar I'm working at doesn't have simple syrup and I'm not in a hurry. Anyway, there are plenty of people who would send the drink back if you make it the way he did. As for orange bitters it certainly isn't required but it improves the taste especially since most people put an orange twist in the drink (I usually use a mix of Angostura bitters and orange bitters) and if I'm not mistaken the original recipe does in fact call for rye whiskey but as with most drinks it is a preference and many people do like it with bourbon, hell I've served brandy old fashions!
I also use orange bitters, just noting this was the 60s. And brandy old fashioneds are big in Wisconsin!
George Jasper I did a bit more research a few days after this post, from what I gathered an original "old fashion" wasn't actually a recipe as much as a way to prepare a drink. I can't remember the year but a long time ago the original mixed drinks were simply bitters, sugar and a spirit of choice. After a while, people started creating different drink recipes so people would place an order like "I would like a whiskey mixed drinks prepared the old fashioned way". Even then it was very common for someone to order rum, whiskey, brandy and even tequila old fashions. Eventually the drink was simply named the old fashion and it became a whiskey drink simply because that was the overwhelmingly most popular spirit people ordered for an old fashion.
People still like to use different spirits for an old fashion, I have seen RUclips ads for rum old fashions even recently. And thanks for the tip about brandy old fashions, I still occasionally get asked for one so now I know to ask them if they are from Wisconsin, small talk tips like that are invaluable in this line of work.
you really should try a gin old fashioned then.
use honey as a sweetener, orange bitters and lemon peel.
pretty good.
Imagine living in a time and place where you can still have conversations like that.
He's making that drink like he needs it.
I don't think Don ever met a drink he didn't need.
" Yet here you are " is so clever
I like how they acknowledge that the Old Fashioned was actually a 1930s drink and not terribly well-known in the 60s.
Old-fashioned was first described in 1806, fell out of fashion in the 1860s, made a resurgence with prohibition, and has been the most popular cocktail served in bars around the world since 1918. It was absolutely common and known to bartenders during every single decade of the 20th century.
It was much older than the 30s, well known drink for centuries.
How does this comment have so many likes? The Old Fashioned has been around since the early 1800s. Of course over the decades different whiskeys and bourbons were thrown in and out but it was definitely well known in the 60s. Why do you think they are both looking to make one? Even as old as this man is it was popular before he was even born.
@drewv6852 wrong. old fashioned were dead for over 3 decades starting late 70s, 80s. 90s 00s and have come back recently. Everyone knows this.
Don jumps over bar. Meets Conrad Hilton. Classic scene.
I’m a bartender. If some dude in a suit hopped over the bar and started making his own cocktails, this is exactly how I’d react. You don’t see that everyday.
only he wasn't a bartender
brmbkl2015 Even better, it's the fuckin' Don.
Perhaps my favorite dialogue in the series.
this is the most stable i have ever seen john waters
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Don Drapers' mental fortitude is both nothing short of Inspirational or questionable, it operates just enough it that grey area of familiarity to my subconscious prosperity so it can fuel me reliably enough to keep on believing in myself and more than that, my future, Even if it is based on the wish of A person who wants to be himself but is forced into living A lie, even that has unexpectedly become relatable
Why is he pouring in something from a clear soft drink or seltzer bottle? That's not an Old Fashioned