@@anthonycruciani939 In the 90s - there was a video game company called Sierra Online which produced a bunch of full-motion video games with live actors. While most of the games were considered good - they didn’t age particularly well, and using live actors in games fell out of fashion.
I worked in a creative agency. Don did a perfect job here. Everyone wants the sun and the moon and the big idea until you show them the bill. He could smell Connie from a mile away, high touch and cheap. The worst kind of customer there is.
I had a boss once, just like this. Demanding perfection and cheap as hell. We had a contract with a third party manufacturer for one of our products. My boss pushed them so hard that eventually they told us to take our business somewhere else. It was impossible working with this person.
Sometimes, the richest customers are the cheapest. My relative is an oral surgeon and he hired a carpenter to install a new gas furnace. Of course, carpenters don’t have the knowledge of how to wire in a simple thermostat so the furnace didn’t work.
Exactly. I've worked in architecture and engineering for much of my career including having my own firm for 15 years. I've dealt with exactly scenario you describe more times than I can count. I also think Connie was horribly jealous of Don....his good looks, suave demeanor, etc....so the whole "relationship" was about "putting Don in his place". I've known my share of rich successful people (including a former president) and they get "bored"....and like to play with people's lives.
@@davidfisher5599 They all have beautiful pools, nice cars, and all the fun toys you could imagine. The pool gets cleaned once a week by some guy making $15/hr and the boats and jet skis collect dust.
I wonder if that works out in real life or if it would be considered just like any other mental disorder. That being said, wasn't that the mouse in the animated Tom & Jerry? If that's the case, then he has to pay copyrights.
Yeah lots of people have an alter ego for work not literally have assumed someone elses identity but some are more confident in their professional than personal lives certainly. I think what he did just showed how drastic he was willing to go to cut ties with his past.
This is, I think, precisely the point of Conrad Hilton. A reflection of Don, a mountainous endpoint for us to ponder. Conrad, from nothing, reached the zenith, but he is a bitter outsider. It is suggestive of the possible future which Don faces.
@@AntonyTheGod Conrad Wilson is a reporter and producer covering criminal justice and legal affairs for OPB. Prior to coming to OPB, he was a reporter at Minnesota Public Radio. Before that he ran the news department at an NPR affiliate in Colorado.
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. The actors always bring the script to life, especially Hamm in this character, but every time I watch these clips, I can't help but wonder where did the writers get all these gems of wisdom? You can't fake that.
Probably saw what a mouse did for Walt Disney and thought that was the way to go. Never thought to himself would I want a mouse in a expensive hotel room I am staying in. No imagination beyond copying what worked for the next guy shit is really astonishing when u look at it from that angle no matter how fictional these characters are the line that runs in-between is pretty much nonexistent with reality in most cases..
Everything about this show was always brilliant. The writing especially, but obviously the director is on point, the actors are never not brilliant. But I think the most vital department here is cinematography. Everyone is vital here, but the fact that they were able to film such a challenging scene on a cell phone camera c.2004 is most impressive
I think there was somethin about the glory of our country in there as well And my personal favorite part: “Gentleman, gentleman, I think there’s a solution you’re all not seeing” *pulls out gun*
Don is extremely good at seeing through people and knowing what they want. Everyone wears a mask to be what they think they should be instead of what they are. Don knows and exploits this because his mask is don draper himself if that makes sense.
Almost like seeing people wear masks in their cars while alone. It's like you KNOW they want to be controlled and are sheep and are exploited without knowing it.
@@AutomationCodeMonkey Mask wearing is not a sign of someone who subconsciously wants to be controlled. Not in the middle of a pandemic that kills thousands every day. It's more a sign of someone who wants to take any control they can to protect themselves and others. Some people actually care about others.
@@tomboston9669 That's what they want you to think. It killed thousands of people because most of them were either old or poor and got worse exposure and improper treatment. The truth is that the hospitals had no clue what they were doing and ended up killing a lot of people. A ventilator is absolutely the worst thing that could be used to "treat" COVID especially when there are therapeutics which have been proven to work.
This is a battle of wits. Connie is trying to suck Don in and see if he bites. Is Don just like every other schmuck that drools and fawns at the opportunity to stand next to me? Connie is setting traps for Don every moment. “I think I look like and A-rab.” Most men would of jumped in. “No Mr. Hilton you look distinguished. Great picture!” Don says nothing. Then there’s the “You need to think bigger” line, which was a backhanded comment. Don then coolly lays out this parable about the starving snake. “I want one for free.” Don shoots down Connie’s idea but never tells him what Don’s idea is. Don won’t lay his cards down too quickly. This is Don the seducer. He does it with women and men equally well. So smartly written and acted.
socallawrence “I had a long conversation with a handsome man from Sterling Cooper. Your name never came up. I assume you never have long chats” he’s calling him handsome
I don't agree with this. I see him telling Don he knows Don only takes the time to "chat at length" with people when Don has a genuine interest. It's rare, implying its rarity adds weight to the substance of Don's words if/when he finally decides to say anything at all. I saw it as a regular compliment, or at least a nod to a rival.
As someone who works in the Advertising industry myself, i can tell you that this actually happens. a lot. executives from big brands want to get buddy-buddy with top ads people at agencies so they can possibly get a freebie when asked for it out of the blue when asked to join them for some sort of engagement like lunch or dinner. they might think it is owed to them for making time to see you. sure, its very tempting to give them a creative with no string attached when the drinks come flowing and the meal tab is going to be paid for, but it says a lot about your reputation and your self-respect as a creative (especially if you're as talented as Don is) if you're willing to just give them one up for free. bottom line: just don't do it. it will bite you (and the agency you work for) in the ass sooner or later.
@@VenerableBede2510 influencers can kiss my ass. for the most part, they're entitled little brats who think they're doing you a huge service by simply being involved with you. most of the younger ones have no concept of what it is like to work in the real world.
the dialogue in this series was so good yet so natural that you have directly pay attention to it to realize that otherwise it will go under your radar
I think is pretty obvius... Don wants Hiltons and probably more, but he tryes to stay on foot on earth, while Don proposal seems humble, that analogy means when you try to do a lot and fast you will probably fail
Not only that, but the guys at the company would gave killed him for doing free business on the side. You have to go through the proper channels in order to have a client that the company can thrive from. Free consultation would only benefit Don, and even then it wouldn't be a total positive. Instead every company would be calling him for free ads.
The last line by Draper IS brilliant, but it's also clear he already messed up. Connie is trying to connect with him on a slightly deeper level. "What do you want?" Imagine the context of this question taking place/picking up a few minutes after their last one. These are similar self-made men. Connie is driven and ambitious, but doesn't conceptualize himself as superior to others (despite behavior that might indicate otherwise). From this moment forward, Don is always his subordinate. Chasing his business. They were equals at the country club. Now Don is just another yes-man.
Quite the contrary, Conrad Hilton expected Don to be this young go-getter, and was baffled that he didn't bend head-over-heels to get his business. Don saw himself past this phase, he wasn't starving for opportunities, and with this little snake example he communicated this different framing to Conrad. Conrad, however, was not used to someone who saw himself as an equal, and didn't really want to deal with someone like that, which is why he put an aprupt end to their relationship soon after.
they're equals at the country club because it isn't business. they're two men in similar circles and in a similar moment at that country club. in business, they're not equal....and they'll never be equal. Connie will always be ahead of Don....at least when they meet here.....and there's no reason to pretend otherwise.
@@rjk0128 There's some truth to this. But at the end of the day Don is a game player and that screwed him here. If he wants Hilton's business they're not equals. It's a whore who wants the money and to be treated like a housewife.
Over 35 years ago, I actually ran into this situation where a rich customer wants free service. A rental customer asked me to fix his walk-in cooler that wasn’t our rental equipment. After I fixed the leak in his walk-in, the customer took me into his office and there were stacks of money on his desk. I presented a bill to him and he refused to pay, saying that he paid a monthly rental fee so he should get free service on all of his equipment. I got up and left. I climbed back onto the roof of his establishment and cracked the service valve on the compressor of his walk-in cooler. I’m pretty sure that he was pissed when the cooler stopped working a couple days later.
As a businessman myself this is honestly one of my favourite scenes in television. Just love the initial relationship building, polite chit chat, buttering each other up, then sizing each other up, then Conrad Hilton in Don the inside, only to let him know that it is likely his best won't be good enough. I don't know but this scene just spoke so many volumes to be. I just loved it.
They didn’t play this one up enough. He asked for a free one. And then got pissed when Dan didn’t complete his moon idea. They needed to play up the fact that he gave him one for free, which allowed him the flexibility to do what he wanted it on the Hilton campaign ad.
I love that his analogy about the snake was a way of telling Hilton that he needs Don Draper as much as Draper needs him. Even if it may not be true never look hungry
The mouse ad is perfect for this scene. “Give a mouse a cookie and he’ll ask for some milk.” That’s what Hilton is doing in this scene-that little remark, violating Don’s boundaries and asking for a free consultation is foreshadowing for how their relationship goes.
if youre not 6foot plus, have a deep voice, and handsome, it's really hard to pull of draper lines irl source: short, ugly guy who believed that being confident would be "enough"
"There are snakes who go months without eating and then they finally catch something.. But they're so hungry that they suffocate while eating." Best quote ever.
Hate to burst your bubble. But it was a desperate line to save himself. Don had no control or leverage, and he insists on payment when Hilton would be a huge get. Leads to Hilton toying with him day n night while he builds an international empire off his work.
No actually Don makes a fair point which Conrad understood: Don is not a snake who goes hungry, therefore he is not obligated to eat a chunk when it turns out to be too big to swallow since he’ll always have other chunks to eat. It’s not his strategy to chase anymore, he is sought after himself. Took me a while to get this
Hilton wasn't asking for a freebie, he was asking for a sample. He wanted to see Draper's judgement. Hilton was satisfied with Draper's one-sentence verdict on the new ads and willing to hire him. It would have been different if Draper had worked for Hilton before. But since he hadn't, Hilton was just doing a final test if Draper was as good as Hilton suspected. That's why Draper did it, he knew if the client sampled and liked his advice he'd be willing to hire him for a potentially very lucrative job. Draper stood up for himself, though. He let Hilton know that he was reluctant to even give a sample, as his work was valuable. He firmly and explicitly established that he's not willing to work without profit. He let Hilton get a taste for free just to go along with Hilton's hiring process. Draper made it clear he won't be a chump, and next time he expects payment. Draper was right to both protest and demonstrate reluctance and to give Hilton the free advice. By the end of the scene, Hilton is impressed and ready to hire him, which is what Draper wanted. They're both pleased. Sometimes "working for free" isn't. It's not a freebie, but a sample to get the customer interested in buying by demonstrating the value of what you offer. Successful businesses do it all the time. Ice cream shops and drug dealers build their entire businesses around "free" samples. You can destroy a business doing free work for friends, or you can build one by attracting paying customers. Draper made it clear he wouldn't be exploited without pay, and didn't do freebies. But he saw that Hilton was testing him as a potential hire. It was worth it to Draper to give Hilton a sample of his expertise. It was a demonstration of his ability. Hilton immediately recognized that Draper was right, and welcomed Draper to sit down. The test was over and Draper had passed.
Loved that last line & comeback - but Connie owned him - he was in over his head the whole time - he’s creative - not an account man - it started here where he was able to pressure him and get him to cave and give one for free - that set the table for their relationship moving forward - he knew Don wanted to please him and more importantly was afraid to lose him - he leveraged that from that point forward
True, but I also think that Connie really did feel some respect for Don with that last line. He knew he was maneuvering Don, but he saw a certain line that was politely upheld. I think he probably registered that respect, and then repositioned in his approach, knowing how to better handle him.
Watching this scene again, in retrospect, this relationship was doomed from start. They just didn't match personality-wise through no fault of either man. Connie shows him the Time cover and he's smiling and proud. Don simply says, "Well, they don't do that for everyone." He's still a bit thrown off but thinks he's being complimentary. But Connie was expecting a more animated, excited reaction. He takes it with some disappointment and makes a self-deprecating comment to paper over the uneasiness and awkwardness in the room. This all culminates in the presentation when Connie says he wanted the moon and Don didn't give it to him. Connie constantly had these expectations that Don wasn't matching. But Connie never made it fully clear exactly WHAT he wanted either. What a great show for character development and nuanced characters.
I think you're spot on, save for the part about Hilton never saying what he wanted. I think that's he did say exactly what he wanted, and he had the self integrity to mean exactly what he said. Someone like Don would never have understood that, because he's always looking for the subtext; he sees the world through his own lens, that of someone who has faked everything for so long that he no longer feels like Dick Whitman anymore, so how can anyone mean what they say?
Don was talented but was no account man (as some of his partners told him), being that stubborn about payment was pretty dumb when its obvious that this was the informal relationship building part of any business relationship. Also, the fact that Hilton searched him out for creative advice, it's a no brainer that if he gives some good free insights here he'll get the business, he wasn't called to bake cookies. I know Don got the acc but he would have been so much more successful without his childhood issues and could actually develop warm, open personal relationships with other people in business and personal life to go along with his charm and charisma.
Don't blame Don and his childhood-based inability to connect with people. He's just covering his six, which is totally necessary in a meat grinder like New York City. There, people will ask you for "a freebie" and that is ALL they want. They're not necessarily going to give you their business-they literally want something without having to pay for it. Getting one over on the other guy is a sport-something that you talk about at the bar with your buddies from the office. As a sales person, you take a big risk if you let someone pick your brain. Business in NYC is transactional-based. So-called relationships are just a tool used to get the sale or a deal. This is reality in NYC and probably most of the rest of the country. Maybe it was different in the early 60s of Mad Men, or dealing with Conrad Hilton.
@@zoznack You've missed the point entirely, just like Don. When you think of everything in immediate transactional terms, you end up missing larger long-term opportunities. Even in modern business, lawyers and accountants offer free initial consults. Don't be penny wise, pound foolish.
@@gooel You've missed my point. I was talking specifically about NYC, which is not like any other place in N. America to do business. I know all about the value of freebies, but NYC is a different animal altogether.
@@gooel Huge difference between a local accountant dealing with a local customer, versus two people at the top of their respective games. Hilton is using his name to milk ideas from someone, knowing full well that he can because he is Conrad Hilton. Whereas Don knows that "Conrad Hilton" is as much a made-up brand name as "Hilton" or even "Don Draper". Don knows that the brand (or the supposed friendship) doesn't mean anything unless there's money on the table.
Conrad Hilton is America condensed into one person. Born in New Mexico in 1877; right at the peak of the Wild West & he died having built a global hotel empire. Talk about witnessing the birth of a superpower.
Don is so dumb for turning down that good ass salad from the best kitchen in the world hosted by our Arab friend Mr. Hilton. Damn that salad sounded so good!
@@silver_desperado ikr personally my soul is too greedy and ugly and i would shove it all in my mouth like an animal an probably shove more into my pocket for later i’d be like mmmmm foooodddd like a fucking caveman i can never be bored from food
Call and ask the country club for the groups who were present on a given day, determine if there were any companies or groups of people with a connection (last names, familial ties, etc.). Make some more calls, provide a description. Narrow it down till you have your man. Connie had a face, backstory, and event from which to narrow it down. probably only took him a few hours to find him.
Everyone's complaining about the picture quality, but I think it speaks the quality of Mad Men's writing that I still enjoyed the hell out of this scene.
the snake metaphor is risky but exactly the right play for someone "raising" you. It's almost symbolic, like the caduceus-- a rod with the power of friendship, the gift of Apollo to Hermes for the bonding over their conflict. Whereas, Hermes had gifted Apollo a lyre made of a tortoise (who would not speak to him politely). The sound of Apollo striking the lyre is said to be the very sounds of the ocean, which is still imitating Apollo to this day.
“ I don’t think anybody wants to think about a mouse in a hotel.” Bless you Don! I could never eat at Quiznos subs because they had a rodent as their mascot. Ewww.
I always envied Don for his ability to have the perfect answer in almost every high pressure situation.. (Hershey's pitch and a few other notable exceptions aside).
And stay silent and look cool while figuring out something clever to say. Unless most people that are eager to say something and make fools of themselves.
@@Plan9wood I remember once asking a senior manager an awkward question, and he actually said without irony, "This is where, if I had a glass of water, I'd take a long drink to give myself time to figure out how to answer that question.".
“The next time someone like me asks you a question like that, you need to think bigger.” Don’t waste opportunities and leave money on the table. Ask for it,. If you don’t get it, fine, but at least you tried for the ring. No point living with uncertainty of what might have been.
Loved how Coenie already gave a hint to Don, how he likes people. respects as equals and worthy of doing business together only the ones who see the bigger picture, think large, who wants to be pioneers, go above and beyond. This is why eventually it didn't work out "when I say the moon I want the moon", Connie was really seeing big picture, thinking large while Don was just looking of what is ahead of him
there is no "bigger picture". I think Hilton (or at least the character Hilton, as presented in this show) had become accustomed to sycophants who would take his every nonsensical word as gospel. Don presents a very professional work in the end and Hilton simply knocks him around without making any sense. the fact Hilton accompanies this with "maybe people don't speak straight to you because they're afraid of you" while he's knocking Don down may point to him pulling some alpha male bullshit stunt because he came to dislike Don's professional attitude and lack of kowtowing to him. I think Don had it right when he finally confronted Hilton, accusing him that he "wanted to knock him down a peg, show him his place", and that's the reason Hilton was so annoyed, being called on it, and started off his imbecile libertardian rant about "complainers". Despite the fact he knew Draper was a self made man, like him. just my 2 cents .
Connie was awful. He bossed around everybody, then complained that they behaved like servants. He called Don every time of the hour, expected long chats at 2 in the morning, then fucked him over because he didn't get the moon when he asked for it. People like him never get the moon themselves, they just nag so many people about it that the nth will give it him just to shut him up.
"what do you think?" "I think you wouldn't be in the presidential suite right now if you worked for free." "Ok fine, what do you think about my great granddaughter?" "I think your family put out a mediocre product."
Ah, I love Mad Men for PS1. Great game. Amazing graphics for its time
Lmfaooo
I'm not sure why he cut out the door opening animation
Destrega or Pirate of the Black cat... a 20 year old games were ahead of its time
1998 Game of the Year Edition
great comment lol
i really enjoyed this animated mosaic.
LMFAO
best comment here
Jimmy Olsen ova here
@@screw_bird lol Sopranos
Forgive the potato cam. It was a primitive time.
It's like they invented a new quality level for youtube: 72p
This is a scene from Mad Men: The Game produced by Sierra Online, c. 1995
Lmao
@@Byrnzi360 comment of the year
@@Byrnzi360 What is this reference?
@@anthonycruciani939 In the 90s - there was a video game company called Sierra Online which produced a bunch of full-motion video games with live actors. While most of the games were considered good - they didn’t age particularly well, and using live actors in games fell out of fashion.
I can count all 720 pixels
This made me laugh
Hilarious.
GoatseObama you must mean all 280
This made me laugh for a good five minutes thank you’ll
Yeah but each pixel is HD.
I worked in a creative agency. Don did a perfect job here. Everyone wants the sun and the moon and the big idea until you show them the bill. He could smell Connie from a mile away, high touch and cheap. The worst kind of customer there is.
I had a boss once, just like this. Demanding perfection and cheap as hell. We had a contract with a third party manufacturer for one of our products. My boss pushed them so hard that eventually they told us to take our business somewhere else. It was impossible working with this person.
Been there myself. Once you meet one cheap skate rich guy. You have meet them all.
Sometimes, the richest customers are the cheapest. My relative is an oral surgeon and he hired a carpenter to install a new gas furnace. Of course, carpenters don’t have the knowledge of how to wire in a simple thermostat so the furnace didn’t work.
Exactly. I've worked in architecture and engineering for much of my career including having my own firm for 15 years. I've dealt with exactly scenario you describe more times than I can count. I also think Connie was horribly jealous of Don....his good looks, suave demeanor, etc....so the whole "relationship" was about "putting Don in his place". I've known my share of rich successful people (including a former president) and they get "bored"....and like to play with people's lives.
@@davidfisher5599 They all have beautiful pools, nice cars, and all the fun toys you could imagine. The pool gets cleaned once a week by some guy making $15/hr and the boats and jet skis collect dust.
Dons confidence comes from him being someone else. When he is alone by himself he is truly fragile and it slowly breaks him
I wonder if that works out in real life or if it would be considered just like any other mental disorder. That being said, wasn't that the mouse in the animated Tom & Jerry? If that's the case, then he has to pay copyrights.
@@ADAPTATION7 It does, thats why you see certain actors playing energetic roles in movies/shows but are shy during interviews
great comment and so true. And i think that would be true for all of us.
@@gamernorcal true but also dark lol
Yeah lots of people have an alter ego for work not literally have assumed someone elses identity but some are more confident in their professional than personal lives certainly. I think what he did just showed how drastic he was willing to go to cut ties with his past.
"The next time someone like me asks you a question like that, you need to think bigger."
It's like Don met the future version of himself.
This is, I think, precisely the point of Conrad Hilton. A reflection of Don, a mountainous endpoint for us to ponder. Conrad, from nothing, reached the zenith, but he is a bitter outsider. It is suggestive of the possible future which Don faces.
Connie turned out to be a jerk off, paving the way for skanky granddaughters and reality TV.
@@AntonyTheGod Conrad Wilson is a reporter and producer covering criminal justice and legal affairs for OPB. Prior to coming to OPB, he was a reporter at Minnesota Public Radio. Before that he ran the news department at an NPR affiliate in Colorado.
These script writers are in a class of their own.
Writing acting best in tv history
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. The actors always bring the script to life, especially Hamm in this character, but every time I watch these clips, I can't help but wonder where did the writers get all these gems of wisdom? You can't fake that.
... the line about the snake was excellent! I need to remember that one.
@@NAzTRAdamUS The double handshake alone is smart.
The creator had experience with another well-acted and written show, The Sopranos. I think it's fair to say that it had a strong influence on Mad Men.
If only you could just light a cigarette and take a 20 second pause in the middle of a conversation today.
*Hits vape*
"I love that mouse bro lmao"
@@ienjoyapples 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ienjoyapples DUDE. I'm sitting hearing laughing my ass off. Perfect.
@@ienjoyapples 😂
Just don't talk for 20 seconds. It's still possible.
I didn't know Mad Men came on Sega CD.
did you know cd stands for compact disc?
At least its not an Atari 2600
this comment is gold
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Perfect comment even 11 months later lol
"I don't think anybody wants to think about a mouse in a hotel" lol so smart !
Probably saw what a mouse did for Walt Disney and thought that was the way to go.
Never thought to himself would I want a mouse in a expensive hotel room I am staying in.
No imagination beyond copying what worked for the next guy shit is really astonishing when u look at it from that angle no matter how fictional these characters are the line that runs in-between is pretty much nonexistent with reality in most cases..
Everything about this show was always brilliant. The writing especially, but obviously the director is on point, the actors are never not brilliant. But I think the most vital department here is cinematography. Everyone is vital here, but the fact that they were able to film such a challenging scene on a cell phone camera c.2004 is most impressive
This is hilarious. You could be a writer for the show 🤣🤣
stop man just stop haha
You had me in the first half
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If I had a dollar for every pixel in this video, I'd have 65 cents.
I want you to give me one for free.
@@firejuggler31 How does a dead one sound?
And I thought my wifi was off.( i still get some pathetic signal from god knows where)
give him the pixel, you need to think bigger
Well now you have 65 likes
Love the way all 4 pixels come together to paint a impressionist version of what this video should be. Breathtaking.
Lol.
Lol it does give off oil painting smudges
"Well, that was my idea. You got something better?"
"I might.... For money!"
Wait a minute Who’s paying me to yell at this guy
Alex Hashaga I can answer that.. for money
It's America, no shit for money.
@@JonnySublime it's a Rick & Morty joke lol
I think there was somethin about the glory of our country in there as well
And my personal favorite part: “Gentleman, gentleman, I think there’s a solution you’re all not seeing”
*pulls out gun*
Don is extremely good at seeing through people and knowing what they want. Everyone wears a mask to be what they think they should be instead of what they are. Don knows and exploits this because his mask is don draper himself if that makes sense.
Almost like seeing people wear masks in their cars while alone. It's like you KNOW they want to be controlled and are sheep and are exploited without knowing it.
@@AutomationCodeMonkey Mask wearing is not a sign of someone who subconsciously wants to be controlled. Not in the middle of a pandemic that kills thousands every day. It's more a sign of someone who wants to take any control they can to protect themselves and others. Some people actually care about others.
@@tomboston9669 That's what they want you to think. It killed thousands of people because most of them were either old or poor and got worse exposure and improper treatment. The truth is that the hospitals had no clue what they were doing and ended up killing a lot of people. A ventilator is absolutely the worst thing that could be used to "treat" COVID especially when there are therapeutics which have been proven to work.
@@AutomationCodeMonkey That's true but it has absolutely nothing to do with what he's talking about.
@@AutomationCodeMonkey get a life. Trump lost. Move on.
I think I look like an *A-rab*
tdot22 any white person who tans and doesn’t burn with dark hair can look like an Ayrab after too much sun lol
Ahab the Arab. The Sheik of the Burning Sands.
Phil Leotardo.... the shah of Iran
@@michaelsieger9133 hahahahaHAHAHAH
@@michaelsieger9133 the shah of Iran wasn't arab
Speech level increased +10
This is a battle of wits. Connie is trying to suck Don in and see if he bites. Is Don just like every other schmuck that drools and fawns at the opportunity to stand next to me? Connie is setting traps for Don every moment. “I think I look like and A-rab.” Most men would of jumped in. “No Mr. Hilton you look distinguished. Great picture!” Don says nothing. Then there’s the “You need to think bigger” line, which was a backhanded comment. Don then coolly lays out this parable about the starving snake. “I want one for free.” Don shoots down Connie’s idea but never tells him what Don’s idea is. Don won’t lay his cards down too quickly. This is Don the seducer. He does it with women and men equally well. So smartly written and acted.
I think this is the best interpretation of the scene. Thanks.
chai_latte wow thank you!
Nah Connie is just fucking greedy
Amazing analysis!!!!
Would of? Really?
"I think you wouldn't be the Presidential Suite if you worked for free".
"Apparently you don't have long chats with people"
Nice backhanded compliment.
No One Forgive my ignorance but how was that a compliment ?
Was more an observation and a sign of respect.
socallawrence “I had a long conversation with a handsome man from Sterling Cooper. Your name never came up. I assume you never have long chats” he’s calling him handsome
It means that he has no needs to talk too much. He prefers action and get success with that. That's why is a compliment.
I don't agree with this. I see him telling Don he knows Don only takes the time to "chat at length" with people when Don has a genuine interest. It's rare, implying its rarity adds weight to the substance of Don's words if/when he finally decides to say anything at all. I saw it as a regular compliment, or at least a nod to a rival.
John Waters is great in this scene
Like... Who?? (jk)
Brilliant!
Way too much moustache to be John Waters.
It's actually character actor Chelcie Ross.
@@cinerama62 whoosh
As someone who works in the Advertising industry myself, i can tell you that this actually happens. a lot. executives from big brands want to get buddy-buddy with top ads people at agencies so they can possibly get a freebie when asked for it out of the blue when asked to join them for some sort of engagement like lunch or dinner. they might think it is owed to them for making time to see you.
sure, its very tempting to give them a creative with no string attached when the drinks come flowing and the meal tab is going to be paid for, but it says a lot about your reputation and your self-respect as a creative (especially if you're as talented as Don is) if you're willing to just give them one up for free.
bottom line: just don't do it. it will bite you (and the agency you work for) in the ass sooner or later.
“Influencers” LOL
@@VenerableBede2510 influencers can kiss my ass. for the most part, they're entitled little brats who think they're doing you a huge service by simply being involved with you. most of the younger ones have no concept of what it is like to work in the real world.
LoL well I'll remember that if I'm ever a millionaire advertising executive
How would you know all that just from working in the copy room?
Ditto IT. _”Let me ask you, just to see what you think…”_ So annoying. And no free dinner and beer, either.
"Let me return you a favour." I want you do this job for me for free.
the dialogue in this series was so good yet so natural that you have directly pay attention to it to realize that
otherwise it will go under your radar
that closing line from don is just epic!!
what does it actually mean?
I think is pretty obvius... Don wants Hiltons and probably more, but he tryes to stay on foot on earth, while Don proposal seems humble, that analogy means when you try to do a lot and fast you will probably fail
Aren’t they all lol
Which pixel is Don?
InterstellarApple the other one
The hot one
The middle one. There are only three pixels.
Are we sure this isn't 640x480? This comment is stuck as 480 likes.
Which uploaded video of this show in 4k quality is yours?
I will forever love this show
thought is my internet lol till i went to the comment section
on seeing the Time Magazine cover: "Well, they don't do that for everyone!"
Don, if you manage to live to 2006, you might be surprised.
Tragedy of the Commons
"if you're good at something, never do it for free"
wheres that line from its on the tip of my snake
@@raghavsundar8253 The Dark Knight
Quips N Whips it’s not from anything, just an old saying
Your mother is good at giving head
Not only that, but the guys at the company would gave killed him for doing free business on the side. You have to go through the proper channels in order to have a client that the company can thrive from. Free consultation would only benefit Don, and even then it wouldn't be a total positive. Instead every company would be calling him for free ads.
The last line by Draper IS brilliant, but it's also clear he already messed up. Connie is trying to connect with him on a slightly deeper level. "What do you want?" Imagine the context of this question taking place/picking up a few minutes after their last one. These are similar self-made men. Connie is driven and ambitious, but doesn't conceptualize himself as superior to others (despite behavior that might indicate otherwise). From this moment forward, Don is always his subordinate. Chasing his business. They were equals at the country club. Now Don is just another yes-man.
Precisely. Coming from a place of desparation.
If he gave him his creative vision for free like he was asked to. The game would've been in his hand.
Dons lack of connecting is front row center
Quite the contrary, Conrad Hilton expected Don to be this young go-getter, and was baffled that he didn't bend head-over-heels to get his business. Don saw himself past this phase, he wasn't starving for opportunities, and with this little snake example he communicated this different framing to Conrad. Conrad, however, was not used to someone who saw himself as an equal, and didn't really want to deal with someone like that, which is why he put an aprupt end to their relationship soon after.
they're equals at the country club because it isn't business. they're two men in similar circles and in a similar moment at that country club. in business, they're not equal....and they'll never be equal. Connie will always be ahead of Don....at least when they meet here.....and there's no reason to pretend otherwise.
@@rjk0128 There's some truth to this. But at the end of the day Don is a game player and that screwed him here. If he wants Hilton's business they're not equals.
It's a whore who wants the money and to be treated like a housewife.
Any one that watches this series all the way through may just end up an alcoholic with lung cancer
...but they'll die with hair on their chest
I came out of it with a collection of whiskey that I now drink sparingly.
Over 35 years ago, I actually ran into this situation where a rich customer wants free service. A rental customer asked me to fix his walk-in cooler that wasn’t our rental equipment. After I fixed the leak in his walk-in, the customer took me into his office and there were stacks of money on his desk. I presented a bill to him and he refused to pay, saying that he paid a monthly rental fee so he should get free service on all of his equipment. I got up and left. I climbed back onto the roof of his establishment and cracked the service valve on the compressor of his walk-in cooler. I’m pretty sure that he was pissed when the cooler stopped working a couple days later.
11 years after this video was made, and this comment section still kills me 💀
😂
"What do you think"
"...pixels"
As a businessman myself this is honestly one of my favourite scenes in television. Just love the initial relationship building, polite chit chat, buttering each other up, then sizing each other up, then Conrad Hilton in Don the inside, only to let him know that it is likely his best won't be good enough. I don't know but this scene just spoke so many volumes to be. I just loved it.
They didn’t play this one up enough. He asked for a free one. And then got pissed when Dan didn’t complete his moon idea. They needed to play up the fact that he gave him one for free, which allowed him the flexibility to do what he wanted it on the Hilton campaign ad.
which pixel is Don Draper?
The handsome one.
"I think I look like an A-rab." Hilarious. And Don and Connie are cold-blooded in this scene.
Looks to me like the Shah of Iran 😐🤔
Well living in South Western US when people lived and worked outdoors it’s only natural he would look like someone from the Arabian Peninsula
@@starless9hoooo! That’sh the bosh of the Hilton group,you’re tawkin about!
720p my ass.
I love that his analogy about the snake was a way of telling Hilton that he needs Don Draper as much as Draper needs him. Even if it may not be true never look hungry
The mouse ad is perfect for this scene. “Give a mouse a cookie and he’ll ask for some milk.” That’s what Hilton is doing in this scene-that little remark, violating Don’s boundaries and asking for a free consultation is foreshadowing for how their relationship goes.
Nice save at the end. I might use that sometime.
I once used a line Don said to Betty in season 6 when they hooked up in that motel.
"What are you doing"
"Waiting for you to tell me to stop"
Gold man
if youre not 6foot plus, have a deep voice, and handsome, it's really hard to pull of draper lines irl
source: short, ugly guy who believed that being confident would be "enough"
@@El6Magico6Arlequin6 My man
Yeah that’s what he said
@@El6Magico6Arlequin6 A truly confident man would never say that
The cagiest conversation ever had. Christ, it's verbal chess.
Didn't know two pixels could have that cagey a conversation.
MM in a nutshell.
Thomas W chelcie Ross steals every scene he is in. Best character actor in a show that stocked them
He’s right. The writing there was decent but the cadence of how they carried that conversation was just bleh.
CGJ7755 oh yes I’m sure you could do such a better job. Lol! Get fucked loser
1:27 - 1:46
Jon Hamm's acting is just riveting there.
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill!"
Up yours Jobu.
You can see the vasoline and KY on his sleeves.
This PowerPoint presentation was amazing, the last couple slide were particularly insightful
"There are snakes who go months without eating and then they finally catch something.. But they're so hungry that they suffocate while eating."
Best quote ever.
Hate to burst your bubble. But it was a desperate line to save himself. Don had no control or leverage, and he insists on payment when Hilton would be a huge get. Leads to Hilton toying with him day n night while he builds an international empire off his work.
@@stiltzy1534 yep, diplomatic talking is underrated. People want fancy lines, loads of attitude
@@stiltzy1534 Exactly. Don loses because he admits he is a 'starving snake' and Connie takes advantage of that.
@@Paul-ty1bv Never go full starving
No actually Don makes a fair point which Conrad understood: Don is not a snake who goes hungry, therefore he is not obligated to eat a chunk when it turns out to be too big to swallow since he’ll always have other chunks to eat. It’s not his strategy to chase anymore, he is sought after himself. Took me a while to get this
I loves the definition of the large pixels at 720p. Really is lost at lower resolutions
Omg this show is so good I can watch it all day
The Best....
Hilton wasn't asking for a freebie, he was asking for a sample. He wanted to see Draper's judgement. Hilton was satisfied with Draper's one-sentence verdict on the new ads and willing to hire him.
It would have been different if Draper had worked for Hilton before. But since he hadn't, Hilton was just doing a final test if Draper was as good as Hilton suspected. That's why Draper did it, he knew if the client sampled and liked his advice he'd be willing to hire him for a potentially very lucrative job.
Draper stood up for himself, though. He let Hilton know that he was reluctant to even give a sample, as his work was valuable. He firmly and explicitly established that he's not willing to work without profit. He let Hilton get a taste for free just to go along with Hilton's hiring process. Draper made it clear he won't be a chump, and next time he expects payment.
Draper was right to both protest and demonstrate reluctance and to give Hilton the free advice. By the end of the scene, Hilton is impressed and ready to hire him, which is what Draper wanted. They're both pleased.
Sometimes "working for free" isn't. It's not a freebie, but a sample to get the customer interested in buying by demonstrating the value of what you offer. Successful businesses do it all the time. Ice cream shops and drug dealers build their entire businesses around "free" samples. You can destroy a business doing free work for friends, or you can build one by attracting paying customers. Draper made it clear he wouldn't be exploited without pay, and didn't do freebies. But he saw that Hilton was testing him as a potential hire. It was worth it to Draper to give Hilton a sample of his expertise. It was a demonstration of his ability. Hilton immediately recognized that Draper was right, and welcomed Draper to sit down. The test was over and Draper had passed.
Thank you for this, it adds a lot of context. Yes, the freebie was really just the tryout.
Loved that last line & comeback - but Connie owned him - he was in over his head the whole time - he’s creative - not an account man - it started here where he was able to pressure him and get him to cave and give one for free - that set the table for their relationship moving forward - he knew Don wanted to please him and more importantly was afraid to lose him - he leveraged that from that point forward
True, but I also think that Connie really did feel some respect for Don with that last line. He knew he was maneuvering Don, but he saw a certain line that was politely upheld. I think he probably registered that respect, and then repositioned in his approach, knowing how to better handle him.
The writing in this series was impeccable.
"Best kitchen in the world - got a salad named after it." Great line.
I don't understand that reference? Could you shed some light?
Probly at the Waldorf, one of Hilton's hotels.
@@farazzz5100 he's talking about Caesar salad
@@elnuisance no he isnt
@@Lmclean89 grace us with the answer if you know it then
Chelcie Ross was so fantastic with this role. Best I've ever seen from him
Title change: "Everyone give one pixel for free for clarity".
The FMV on this sega cd is crazy good.
I’ve watched this so often over the years I believe I have the entire series memorized line by line. 😧
Watching this scene again, in retrospect, this relationship was doomed from start. They just didn't match personality-wise through no fault of either man. Connie shows him the Time cover and he's smiling and proud. Don simply says, "Well, they don't do that for everyone."
He's still a bit thrown off but thinks he's being complimentary. But Connie was expecting a more animated, excited reaction. He takes it with some disappointment and makes a self-deprecating comment to paper over the uneasiness and awkwardness in the room.
This all culminates in the presentation when Connie says he wanted the moon and Don didn't give it to him. Connie constantly had these expectations that Don wasn't matching. But Connie never made it fully clear exactly WHAT he wanted either.
What a great show for character development and nuanced characters.
I think you're spot on, save for the part about Hilton never saying what he wanted. I think that's he did say exactly what he wanted, and he had the self integrity to mean exactly what he said. Someone like Don would never have understood that, because he's always looking for the subtext; he sees the world through his own lens, that of someone who has faked everything for so long that he no longer feels like Dick Whitman anymore, so how can anyone mean what they say?
I feel like sitting in English class listening to the two smart kids arguing. Nice points on both
@@ZCherish I dunno. When I first watched the show, hilton was so annoying. His expectations were ridiculous and he wasn't clear.
@@ZCherish Exactly
I liked and disliked Hilton at the same time. BTW, Don’s best pitch was to Kodak.
He's right, "One opportunity at a time"
I like how i set this video to 720p, just to see even more pixels argue about who's the smaller one..
There are pixels that go months without eating...
Don was talented but was no account man (as some of his partners told him), being that stubborn about payment was pretty dumb when its obvious that this was the informal relationship building part of any business relationship. Also, the fact that Hilton searched him out for creative advice, it's a no brainer that if he gives some good free insights here he'll get the business, he wasn't called to bake cookies. I know Don got the acc but he would have been so much more successful without his childhood issues and could actually develop warm, open personal relationships with other people in business and personal life to go along with his charm and charisma.
Don't blame Don and his childhood-based inability to connect with people. He's just covering his six, which is totally necessary in a meat grinder like New York City. There, people will ask you for "a freebie" and that is ALL they want. They're not necessarily going to give you their business-they literally want something without having to pay for it. Getting one over on the other guy is a sport-something that you talk about at the bar with your buddies from the office. As a sales person, you take a big risk if you let someone pick your brain. Business in NYC is transactional-based. So-called relationships are just a tool used to get the sale or a deal. This is reality in NYC and probably most of the rest of the country. Maybe it was different in the early 60s of Mad Men, or dealing with Conrad Hilton.
@@zoznack You've missed the point entirely, just like Don. When you think of everything in immediate transactional terms, you end up missing larger long-term opportunities. Even in modern business, lawyers and accountants offer free initial consults. Don't be penny wise, pound foolish.
I agree. Except Conrad Hilton was greedy and ruthless. Not a man to be trusted.
@@gooel You've missed my point. I was talking specifically about NYC, which is not like any other place in N. America to do business. I know all about the value of freebies, but NYC is a different animal altogether.
@@gooel Huge difference between a local accountant dealing with a local customer, versus two people at the top of their respective games. Hilton is using his name to milk ideas from someone, knowing full well that he can because he is Conrad Hilton. Whereas Don knows that "Conrad Hilton" is as much a made-up brand name as "Hilton" or even "Don Draper". Don knows that the brand (or the supposed friendship) doesn't mean anything unless there's money on the table.
This must be the Van Gogh rendered version of Mad Men.
Conrad Hilton is America condensed into one person.
Born in New Mexico in 1877; right at the peak of the Wild West & he died having built a global hotel empire. Talk about witnessing the birth of a superpower.
Every Creative out here thanks Matthew Weiner for this scene.
I can see now why this show was a big deal.
Watched this video just to remind myself of this scene, after having a much less suave version of this conversation with a potential client.
Mad Men : Sega CD edition
"let me return the favour by asking you to give me something for free"
Don is so dumb for turning down that good ass salad from the best kitchen in the world hosted by our Arab friend Mr. Hilton. Damn that salad sounded so good!
It really bothers me when this show has so much food in the boardroom and no one eats! Like come on y’all going to waste good food?
@@silver_desperado ikr personally my soul is too greedy and ugly and i would shove it all in my mouth like an animal an probably shove more into my pocket for later i’d be like mmmmm foooodddd like a fucking caveman i can never be bored from food
Its Ay-rab
I still don’t know how Hilton found don. Don never told him what he did or where he worked.
Call and ask the country club for the groups who were present on a given day, determine if there were any companies or groups of people with a connection (last names, familial ties, etc.). Make some more calls, provide a description. Narrow it down till you have your man.
Connie had a face, backstory, and event from which to narrow it down. probably only took him a few hours to find him.
@@yashisawsome yeah but for what purpose? He never knew he was in advertising so why bother going through the effort to track him down?
You are really talented! It must've taken forever to animate this in Minecraft.
Thanks for uploading the soundtrack.
lol
Absolutely love the "Snake" parable. It has so many applications.
WOW!!! Atari was ahead of it’s time. impressive how the team was able to put a whole Mad men episode in a 8 bit Atari cartridge.
Just started a business that is doing extremely well too quickly. I needed to hear this.
Just count your blessings & relax!
Everyone's complaining about the picture quality, but I think it speaks the quality of Mad Men's writing that I still enjoyed the hell out of this scene.
Mathew Weiner is a genius for writing this series
Anybody whoever wrote for The Sopranos always had somethin to give
I hated Conrad Hilton. His pretentious narcissism was revolting to stomach for so many episodes.
Plus, wasn’t this the season when Don was running around with his daughter’s teacher. Great story arc, but sheesh these people were broken humans.
Why get a degree in Marketing when you can just watch these re-runs of Mad Men?
the snake metaphor is risky but exactly the right play for someone "raising" you. It's almost symbolic, like the caduceus-- a rod with the power of friendship, the gift of Apollo to Hermes for the bonding over their conflict. Whereas, Hermes had gifted Apollo a lyre made of a tortoise (who would not speak to him politely). The sound of Apollo striking the lyre is said to be the very sounds of the ocean, which is still imitating Apollo to this day.
Dang. One doesn't come across something like that in a comments section too often...
Beautiful, truly resplendent analysis.
He's saying he's not greedy or overly impressed. He can afford to pace himself.
i want everyone to work for me for pennies on the dollar
"How do you say cheese on the Moon ? Hilton"
Not bad
Conrad Hilton was a great character in Mad Men.
I wanna be in a career where I get to drop word bombs just like that. I might have to be a Bond Villain or something
Easy. Just be the best in the business.
@@mydemon BOOM
Mad Men - The Lego Movie!
“ I don’t think anybody wants to think about a mouse in a hotel.” Bless you Don! I could never eat at Quiznos subs because they had a rodent as their mascot. Ewww.
juanisabastard yes, also he notices gross things.
here's a tip, don't eat at quiznos subs regardless of their ad lol
humanity is insufferably pretentious and stupid. Be a better human
Chuck E Cheese had a decent run
@@Music--ng8cd except their pizza tasted like it was made of their mascot. KWIM?
I always envied Don for his ability to have the perfect answer in almost every high pressure situation.. (Hershey's pitch and a few other notable exceptions aside).
And stay silent and look cool while figuring out something clever to say. Unless most people that are eager to say something and make fools of themselves.
@@jmbpinto73 Looks like in those day that lighting a cigarette was the go to move to buy yourself some time
@@Plan9wood I remember once asking a senior manager an awkward question, and he actually said without irony, "This is where, if I had a glass of water, I'd take a long drink to give myself time to figure out how to answer that question.".
@@billmilano6246 that’s wild that he actually said that….lighting a cigarette is cooler though.
Well to state the obvious, it’s a scripted show - which is why Don can have the perfect answer. He’s got an unfair advantage over you.
It’s good to see analogue still in use
“I dont think anyone wants to think about a mouse in a hotel” Disneyland takes offense
lol too bad. But hes right, a rat, a mouse, what difference, its a rodent. I dont want to see it either.
“The next time someone like me asks you a question like that, you need to think bigger.”
Don’t waste opportunities and leave money on the table. Ask for it,. If you don’t get it, fine, but at least you tried for the ring. No point living with uncertainty of what might have been.
“Are you trying to tell me Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?”
"I want you to give me one for free."
Don's look at the ad says "Looks like you got one for free."
Loved how Coenie already gave a hint to Don, how he likes people. respects as equals and worthy of doing business together only the ones who see the bigger picture, think large, who wants to be pioneers, go above and beyond. This is why eventually it didn't work out "when I say the moon I want the moon", Connie was really seeing big picture, thinking large while Don was just looking of what is ahead of him
What is the "big picture"?
there is no "bigger picture". I think Hilton (or at least the character Hilton, as presented in this show) had become accustomed to sycophants who would take his every nonsensical word as gospel. Don presents a very professional work in the end and Hilton simply knocks him around without making any sense. the fact Hilton accompanies this with "maybe people don't speak straight to you because they're afraid of you" while he's knocking Don down may point to him pulling some alpha male bullshit stunt because he came to dislike Don's professional attitude and lack of kowtowing to him. I think Don had it right when he finally confronted Hilton, accusing him that he "wanted to knock him down a peg, show him his place", and that's the reason Hilton was so annoyed, being called on it, and started off his imbecile libertardian rant about "complainers". Despite the fact he knew Draper was a self made man, like him. just my 2 cents .
Connie was awful. He bossed around everybody, then complained that they behaved like servants. He called Don every time of the hour, expected long chats at 2 in the morning, then fucked him over because he didn't get the moon when he asked for it.
People like him never get the moon themselves, they just nag so many people about it that the nth will give it him just to shut him up.
You have no clue how business (especially big corporate business) works, do you?
I’m glad it didn’t work out with Connie.
I’m just disappointed that Don didn’t tell him to fuck off after the moon tantrum.
"we're not snakes don, we're people, did you see i'm gonna be on the cover of Time Magazine?"
"what do you think?"
"I think you wouldn't be in the presidential suite right now if you worked for free."
"Ok fine, what do you think about my great granddaughter?"
"I think your family put out a mediocre product."
Looks like those old Command and Conquer cut scenes.
Awesome show and I really hope Hilton reappears in the upcoming season.
Me too
This is so apt! Man I Love this series..
What's the old pitcher from Major League doing in the hotel business???? God Damn Harris!
No one, and I mean NO ONE, comes into my house and pushes me around.