JEFF KIESEL FIRES BACK AT GIBSON - "WE'RE NOT GONNA BACK DOWN!"
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Jeff Kiesel sat down recently for a long phone conversation to discuss a cease and desist letter his company Kiesel Guitars (also Carvin Guitars) had received from Gibson. In this interview, Jeff pulls no punches in his assessment of the situation and vows to fight Gibson in court, if need be.
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Hey guys, I really appreciate all the Kiesel Love and Support here - you guys are the best!
My JB200C is the best guitar I ever bought, QC was amazing, played in tune straight out of the box, flawless. And I have more than 20 high quality guitars, I know what I am talking about. And my Carvin V220 from 1986 is also up there as well!!! And my Carvin Bass as well!!! I really love my Gibson Les Paul 59 as well (had to dig around for a quality one though), BUT...Gibson is just embarrassing themselves with this...AGAIN!!!
I'm not liking Gibson right about now. That V guitar he had look like a Jackson maybe they invented it before Jackson. I have a Jackson and then I don't like that big wing it only has one little ding in it. But sitting down to play is not easy at all. My friend was over and I got out my Hohner osc guitar only cost me $160 and it is quality. The sound is amazing if you put better pickups it might be even better. I never even heard of Tesla pickups. Gibson is making a big mistake they're pushing away customers. If they went bankrupt I guess they're not doing something right. I wonder if it's something to do with our government they went after the wood in 2012 I think they didn't go after other people. I cannot believe they did that get down on the ground you got wood hold it right there WTF? Imagine if you were working there that day. They rated Gibson with guns drawn
BTW, I would suggest Gibson suing Slash for using a Les Paul counterfeit for at least 35 years...Then sue themselves for "coping" that counterfeit Les Paul to produce the Slash signature model.....
What pisses me off with Gibson is they take a few great steps forward and then they keep shooting themselves in the ass. I sold all my Gibsons. My single cuts are Handmade and are different than the LP's. Won't buy another Gibson because of their quality issues but now compounded with these lawsuits, the C&C letters and their work with Gabriel from Echo Park who is a snake.
You got 100% support from me brother! 😉👍
Breaking news: Gibson sues the Oxford English Dictionary for their use of the letter V. In an official statement Gibson said: "It looks exactly like one of our guitars and we're not going to stand for it. Spell authentic"
Dwain Comissiong lol
This comment deserVes way more likes that it has... made me spit my tea out at "Spell authentic"! Thank you!
They already sued the ancient Romans for their non-authentic number 5.
davedave 😂
@@mattstarf4294 "Spell authentic" is what lost me what do you mean (not trolling. honest question)
This is what happens when non guitar playing lawyers and corporate suits take control of a historic guitar company.
Pathetic Gibson-seriously.
What is hilarious is all the patents Kiesel has applied for that have been denied.
They tried to patent roasted maple fingerboard, and failed
a real business never gets approved for 100% of the patents the apply for... dont be such a Gibson fanboi
I wonder if clarinet companies sue each other because one clarinet looks like another clarinet?
lmao i cackled
Or even Spanish guitars. Classical instruments in general really?
That's not even close to the same thing.
Mind.... Blowing!!!!💥💥💥
@@J__C__ You're right. Electronic components mean the acoustics of body shapes are less relevant. You have to compare other electronic instruments. It's more like keyboards, and of course every keyboard manufacturer uses a completely different shape to their competitors.
"A corporation that doesn't know the guitar business" - that's a great description of what Gibson has become.
eekamoose What a dumb fuckin comment. That’s why they sell guitars as fast as they can make them. It’s not Gibson’s fault your broke ass can’t afford a Gibson.
BenS123 speaking of dumb comments...what a persuasive rebuttal you provide. I’ve never seen such wit. Yup, when you can’t argue a point use swear words and insults.
Gibson has a great history which is what they trade on. They haven’t produced any successful innovation in decades and they have at best mediocre quality control. Their company management is a rollercoaster of changing senior execs and financial problems. Gibson can’t define why a Gibson is better than a competitors product (excep for nostalgia). I can afford a Gibson, I’d just rather spend my money on a better (to me) product.
@@Panic42000 What are you doing watching Brad's videos here when you would obviously be much happier just using the Internet to watch Gibson advertisements?
I won't waste my time trading insults with you but I will point out that you are seriously mistaken about the financial status of my ass :o) )
@@Panic42000 Is that why they went bankrupt? Buy Gibson and you get a POS with a crappy finish, little check marks all over the edge of the fretboard, and have fun keeping the thing in tune. Yeah, gotta love spending 5k for a Custom and they give you that richlite shit and plastic inlays. What a fuckin joke,.
Dan D Maybe you should do your research before you open your mouth. Gibson’s bankruptcy had zero to with guitar sales asshole. Wow!
no one-
Gibson-“What else can we pull this year to make everyone hate us?”
This is literally just a SLAPP suit. Gibson is throwing their weight to scare its competition and cripple them with legal fees. It's disgusting
Gibson has no "weight" to throw around. Their only weight is name recognition and lately that means nothing.
You need to understand that the “weight” is millions of dollars vs a small guitar manufacturer who can’t afford the legal fees to fight them
unfortunately it's probably the lawyers in charge of them who are orchestrating this after they filed for chapter 11
My response as well. I looked in the comments for this one here.
A basic SLAPP suit. Use $$ to crush competition that cannot afford $100,000,000 in legal fees to defend against you.
This type of suit is not legal in 45 states...
Funny enough, Gibson only have weight for old players, some of their sons and basic 80s rock fans.
What are they gonna do next? Go after everyone with humbuckers?
Gibson: hmmmmm...good idea
Pretty sure Kiesel would win that one too since they started out as a pickup company.
How about they sue the alphabet for having a "V" in it? To be honest, Gibson is clutching at straws & their defeat in the 2005 case with PRS proved (at least to me) they were in over their heads.
@Baba Yaga said, "THEY ARE LOOSING PLAYERS RESPECT"
I hate it when a guitar company un-tightens player's respect.
Humbuckers were patented (PAF= "Patent Applied For") not trademarked. Different law. Patents run (expire). BTW: In 1981, DiMarzio trademarked the appearance of uncovered PAF style humbuckers featuring two cream-colored bobbin pickups. That combo was originally seen on Gibson Les Paul Burst guitars when some players removed the covers. (Think Jimmy Page's #2 guitar) But as DiMarzio now holds the trademark, since 1981 no one but Dimarzio can manufacture double cream humbucker pick-ups. And Dimarzio goes after anyone who infringes on their trademark.
if this one is really happen, then lets fight together... our enemy just one corporate
Public recognizes Keisel stepping up and Gibson laying Down. Glad to see Him Standing up to the Bully
Haha! "Bully"
Gibson's idea of innovation:
- Keep the adjustable metal nut? NO
- Shave down neck joint? NO
- Change headstock angle straighter? NO
- Stainless steel frets? NO
- Cheap chinese made robo tuners on 3k-4k guitars? Yes
- Keep it as it is? YES
- Will people still buy it? YES
@@doffendoffenson4917
- "Keep as is?" = NO, crappy robo tuners and electronic pickups that are similar to emgs are becoming standard
- Make a MODERN lineup? Yes but still keep it the same as the classics - Gibson logic
Ashley Johansson exactly!!
But but... it comes with a case! 🤢😂
I don't see any robotuners lol😂 gibson is gold mate
Martin should sue Gibson for copying their square shoulder dreadnought.
I found out, Gibson was originally a mandolin company, & an outfit like Stu Mac. Martin sent them guitars, that Gibson put their name on, like Kay & others did with Sears. I watched a vid on Martin, where they mentioned that.
Fender owns Martin
@@MrPDTaylor
Pretty ignorant statement you made.
Martin is owned by Chris Martin IV - NOT Fender.
Fender “used” to own Guild and that’s the company you’re confused with.
"There are two ways to have the tallest building in town. One is to tear everyone else's building down, and the other is to build your building taller." -Jim Rohn
That seems to be Gibson's Game; tear down everyone else's buildings.
BMC Guitar Effects *trying to
Well they have poor architects and the building won’t hold up over time. So when they’re building collapses , it will fall in on itself and leave the other buildings standing proud.
Gibson are not doing great when it comes to fixing their reputation
Well, take one look at "JC" and Agnesi and you realize the company is being run by a couple of oily posers.
they cant make money on making guitars so no they choose the buisniss of extortion .
Someday I would love to own a kiesel!
Having owned 2 LPs, Gibson is not all that and a ham sandwich that they built their reputation on. Also for the price there are many other guitars that I would rather have.
People still buy and love gibson tho....
@@doffendoffenson4917 Based on their past, not the present. Once the boomers die off, any and all complacent guitar companies will die off as they should.
Isn't this the man who tried 4 times to patent painted necks all while ripping off Gibson, Schecter and Stratocaster?
I own a Gibson and love it. I do not however love how they have been conducting their business lately. Jeff's statement about not worrying about what other people are doing was dead on. I think it's time to add a Kiesel to my collection!
William Logan definitely they play AMAZING
William Logan wish I could afford one
Sell sell sell
Yeah i love my studio.. i enjoy my single coil tele but when i want to change it up i grab the studio and its joyious
Sell your Gibson, make a kid happy, buy another guitar, it's not like solidbodies with 2 humbuckers is a rare thing...
Gibson was great. They still should be. But, stupidity has and is still ruining their reputation in the guitar business. They themselves tarnished an iconic brand.
Couldn’t have said it better, myself! 🎸 (I just got a cease & desist letter from Gibson for using that SG-like emoji in this comment.) 🙄🤦🏻♂️
They haven't made a dent in the Chibson market - those outright fakes are still all over the place.
I totally agree
Just think what their prices would be if they could "cease and desist" everyone else. I think they can't compete anymore, so they want everyone else to stop making guitars. Les Paul standard will be $27,000. I hate they've done what they have, but no one's fault but their own. Ya can't have any sympathy for Gibson.
Gibson is run by corporate schmucks who have no clue about the guitar business.Their current CEO was running Levi´s Jeans for crying out loud!
All they have to do is:
a). fix their infamously shitty QC
b). introduce some new affordable model series for modern players (7string models,contoured neck heels,ss-frets,modern bridges like Evertune,Hipshot Contour tremolos etc. modern pickups like Fishman Fluence,BKP etc.)
c). make an affordable,Made in USA series,with stripped down features,that doesn´t look like crap like most of their Studios do, similar to what PRS has done with their S2 line
d). make an affordable Made in USA traditional series,similar to the PRS S2 line,for the vintage purists
And they would sell guitars by the bucketloads,but noooo...
Instead they spend money on their online channel,where they go and interview rockstars.
Man, every time I see/hear Jeff Kiesel I like him, and his company more.
If Gibson is running so low on money, blowing it on dubious legal ventures prob. isn't the smartest move. I doubt they *actually* intend to follow through, as they just have to know they dont have a legal leg to stand on.
I think the broadness and quality of the Asian import market has just decimated the mass-produced corporatized entry level products in NA. Gibson seems like they're throwing a tantrum against American makers because of how badly they're getting beat by the Asian imports.
Jeff just seems like a genuine dude who loves his work, and wants to make a quality instrument.
He's cool in my book. I'm sure I'd like a lot of the Gibson guys too in person, but their company has jumped the proverbial.
If Gibson takes it to court and loses, Gibson will be liable for Kiesel's legal costs... Wonder if it actually get there..
Maybe you should do some research about how shitty kiesel is. NUMEROUS people have had issues with them being absolutely CUNTY with service and quality of work. www.reddit.com/r/guitars/comments/8km3el/worries_about_kiesel_guitars/ www.sevenstring.org/threads/kiesel-never-again.320132/ www.sevenstring.org/threads/not-so-happy-new-gear-day-kiesel-photomatch-gone-wrong-final-update-5-3-16.309923/ etc etc etc they refuse to make it right and instead blame the customer for their wrong work
@@mikeymike4g63 I ordered a custom build and went with a floating bridge (for the whammy) when I typically go for fixed bridge. It was a risk but i was interested. Got it once complete and wasn't happy with how it went out of tune. This is typically the case with floating bridges. I contacted Kiesel support and they said "we want you to be completely happy with it, if you will just pay the return shipping, we'll give you a full refund and build you the guitar you want". They didn't do anything wrong. They built it how I told them too and still refunded me. I reordered the same guitar with fixed bridge and love it. Just played it tonight. Their build quality and customer support is fantastic in my book. If you dig through any company, you will find a few negative reviews. Seems like you just want to dislike them. You linked some random stories....but what is your story working with Kiesel??
@@Dmasap19 Floating/locking systems shouldn't go out of tune. Why did Kiesel's build fail to keep tune? You seem to think they didn't do anything wrong but they did. A double locking tremolo system literally will NOT go out of tune if setup properly by the manufacturer. Glad to hear you got your money back on a f'd up build though. At least they gave you that option. They didn't for the guy who wanted a photo match finish. They F'd him real hard and were a-holes to him the entire time. The negative reviews I've found reading about Kiesel go FAR BEYOND your average negative reviews. They include a lot of really crappy customer service, customer blaming, and outright rude and terrible human being behavior. Do a little reading and you'll see what I mean.
Now its Jeff treating his long time loyal customers like trash on instagram and suing Harley Benton for a "headless copy". These videos sadly didnt take long to age poorly.
He specifically said in the video they patented the headless strat so they would have a case if anyone made too close a copy.
"long time, loyal fans" ... aka bought 2 Carvins for $800 30 years ago... gimme a break
Chinese dude with a cnc: *sells thousands of fake les pauls for $150*
Gibson: *sues Kiesel*
Gibson is pathetic. Every guitar manufacturer builds a strat, a tele, a les paul, a v, an explorer, and etc. Gibson doesn't even make the best les paul out there anymore. Hate to say it but I would rather buy a chibson and mod it than play authentic.
5T3LTH Or buy a Frank Hartung custom. Look him up if you’re not familiar. Amazing builder.
Sock Monkey Thanks I'll check out Frank's work
Exactly dude. My dad was crowning a Burny les paul 4 years ago and it was amazing when we played with it, the owner told us he bought it for 500-600 bucks. The old Gibsons were great but idk about the new ones. We had several new gibsons on the workshop and they really dont sound and feel good for the price. $1000 nowadays can get you a really Really good guitar. Gibson has been doing this for years, targeting other small companies as well.
Its crazy. Why dont they just focus on making good guitars. Nothings gonna happen if they bring down one company after another (if they can). At the end of the day, no ones gonna buy a guitar that isnt worth the money.
Have an Agile les Paul, played better out of the box than a Gibson. Switched out the pickups, sounds better than a Gibson.
I live about 5 minutes from the Kiesel shop. I knew one of the previous owners of Carvin (Carson). I've toured the previous location with him personally and watched Jeff paint a few bodies while I was there. Gibson is giving themselves a massive black eye by doing this. Kiesel guitars has grown by leaps and bounds over the past couple years. Jeff isn't going to back down and Gibson is entering into a lose/lose scenario.
Have you been to the new place?
I live right by Kiesel too. I was actually just there yesterday talking to Flock about all this bs. Good to see them fighting back.
Oh man, I haven't seen Flock in years. We ran around with some mutual friends back in the day. Even did an Epiphone SG doubleneck trade with him once. Glad to hear that he's still working there.
Jason Rowe Too cool, man. Yup, he’s still around!
@@TheGuitologist I have not. I drive past it frequently, but have yet to wander in there yet. I'm sure with the employees I know I could probably find my way back into the shop.
In 40 years I've never owned a Gibson, and at this point, I'd be happy going another 40 without owning one.
I've never owned one either
good, they haven’t innovated ONE THING since 1980. I’ll take a PRS all day over their boring Guitar Center crap. And Fender? Never, that’s what G&L is for, the REAL Fender.
Man I want a Gibson but I certainly ain’t gonna buy one now
@@Zilegil occur never owned one ever
I own 1 Gibson. Only reason I still have it is because it was a birthday present from my dad.
"They can't sue us because we're making the better single cuts"
Me : OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH........THE BURN
I just remembered that Zakk Wylde's guitar company has a stack of V models - I dare you Gibson, no, I double dare you to piss him off.
cuz zakk is such a badass he can beat gibson's lawyers?
Saying the Ultra V is like the Flying V, is like saying EVERY Double Cut is a Fender Strat. Even the Les Paul wasn't the 'first' Single Cut solid guitar in that shape - Bigsby made one before them in the late 40's....
Also: Others are building better quality instruments (at least as far as QC is concerned if nothing else) than Gibson and they can't compete with that so try stop others from making those instruments to force musicians to buy theirs....
As if they haven't learned from trying to go after PRS....
APP (Appleton) had one in the early forties, and Gibson was offered his design and rejected it; then they came up with the Les Paul, a copy of Appleton's guitar. There's a photo of him and his guitar in THE GUITAR BOOK.
I'm glad you brought up Bigsby because the Tele used a lot of that Bigsby design but they weren't going around sueing for variants like our legal system now.
Gibson made one before Bigsby did. The Bigsby model was the first in a solid body though. Gretsch was selling their single cut which is almost identical to the Les Paul starting in like 1952 I believe it was, 54? somewhere in there. So why Gibson didn't sue them then is beyond me. I just think Gibson is trying to stop any new makers from joining in on the shape copying. I mean come on, they have to know they will lose this case against Kiesel! I think what might hurt Kiesel is the use of the V in their name. Gibson can show that by using this name they were obviously trying to lure people in with it. I don't think any jury would find Kiesel guilty of copyright infringement. I love Gibson guitars and I would not find in their favor in ANY of these recent law suits, mainly because they waited too long to try them in court. If Dean was a brand new company and was coming out with the models Gibson is suing them over, yes, I would find in favor of Gibson. But now? Nope no way, they waited far too long.
@@alabamahebrew exactly, solid body, also strung through the back of the body, many Tele design queues from Bigsby. They all knew each other in California. Fender was making lap steels until they decided to make something based on the Bigsby.
Maybe it’s time to sell my les Paul that won’t stay in tune and by a Kiesel.
@Guitars and Games but i bet that keisel will stay in tune at least lol.
@Guitars and Games What's good to you?
@@ooferrell Kiesels are pretty legit. Couldn't find one that I liked enough to justify price (back when I was little more than a broke boy). But they're certainly worthy of praise.
@@bravotronalpha3787 oh i know dude I was just joking. As an Allen Holdsworth and Frank Gambale fan i love kiesel. Plus thier customization option is the most unique for their price range. Some day i will own those 2 models i dear so much.
@@wrelensmash I still own a V3. Still one of the best high-gain amps I've ever used, as cantankerous as it can be at times.
Why is Gibson going after these guys when Chinese Chibsons look identical to Gibsons and have their logo?
Because they have to go through the chinese government, which just says "no, it's not the same" and that's all that comes of it.
Exactly. I see 4 or 5 on local classified ads weekly. The sellers even make it clear that they're fakes.
They even matched their quality
@@abcrx32j 🙌
Because China is not the USA.
I'm glad Kiesel are doing this. I have a custom Carvin bass made from them and really enjoy it! This kind of stuff makes me want to support them indeed! Thanks for the engagement!
Sue Competitors is a poor sales growth and marketing strategy. Here’s a thought - make a quality product at a decent price that is relevant to current times - and market THAT.........
they do: Epiphone.
Leo Ahearn A quality product would have to mean use toxic chemicals to do it. Toy companies probably did that before.
Leo Ahearn They do jerkoff. They sell guitars as fast as they can make them asshole.
@@Panic42000 Aha, so you admit that Gibson jerk off. As a devout Gibson fan you maybe know more than we do.
Doesn't sound as though you've heard of Gibson's recent bankruptcy, though, you should check that out.
BenS123 in wouldn’t touch a Gibson. For the price I’d pay for one I can get numerous other brands with FAR better quality. Gibson is riding off the name and the history. They’re garbage.
This new management team at Gibson appears to be as out of touch as the previous regime.
Could it really be made that bad for those of us who don’t care?
Makes me want to go buy a Keisel guitar!
Quoting The Who: 🎸🎼🎶 “New boss, same as the old boss.” 🤦🏻♂️
When my life had reached the point where I could give myself my dream guitar I bought an SG. I was really proud to have a real Gibson. With Gibson's recent behavior I feel that pride greatly deflated. I'll keep the guitar because I've modded it to be my own but I have no interest in anything else by Gibson.
Maybe Gibson owners around the world should start a class action suit for Gibson deflating the value of their guitars though market bullying.
Out of town working for a while so not much activity in the comments but still watching and loving it brother brad.👍
Kiesel should go after them for extortion.
@Steve Trump is a Jew what did you expect?
@@samkinison2375 Wow, way to rock your racism. That's right, don't pull any punches. I'm so glad my German ancestors left the old country in the 20's. As for the Irish side of me? I have no leg to stand on family wise.
@Steve The man has skills, right? To think he has 5 more bankruptcies than Gibson does, lol.
Steve Tony would have Trump wacked.
You obviously don't know the definition of extortion 🤣
At this point I feel that Gibson is just like the uncle that comes to a family gathering and embarrasses himself and the rest of the family
Geez Brad, you have to warn us about stuff like this! I heard Jeff say Guitar is not a necessity ! Blashphemy !!
Had the wife in the room and everything, Thank God I had the headphones on!! That was a close one !!
Yeah, not a necessity to who? There's a whole lotta shit I'd give up for my guitar.
Ok, he lost me at "You don't need another guitar." I don't need that kind of negativity. lol
My friend Billy Grey of the band FOZZY is endorsed by Keisel! His guitars are AMAZING! Kudos to Kiesel! Killer guitars at a great price!
Cool band.
Fozzy Rocks 🤘🏽
Billy is a good dude. great memories of Method 51 chilling at Phil's house. Fire in the hole
Agreed! I know Billy quite well and make his guitar picks.
Mox is gonna make Jericho his bitch at revolution coming up later this month!
So Carvin rips off Jackson's body and headstock design in the 80s so now Gibson sues them?
That's what I was thinking... Yeah, if anybody Jackson should be the one sueing
😂
@ezzz9 I try & tell folks that but they give all credit to Grover Jackson.
After jackson ripped off kramer.....
Yeah. Randy's white one with blue pinstripes is the first ever. His black and gold one was no.2. and had a more pronounced shark fin. The Kiesel
is just an upside down one. I like Carvin and Co. but this is NOT their
design. I don't care if he renamed a flipped over one when he was 7,
there is nothing original about the body shape. The V220 was a Carvin
original. But even THAT was derived from Gibson's V. LINK TO RANDY WITH BLACK JACKSON... i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/d7/8c/d4d78c0b50c9be9b19ceeb9c02d099d8.jpg
LINK TO A CARVIN V220 IN MAPLE... www.guitarhalo.com/uploads/3/4/0/4/34046257/1813470_orig.jpg
Yay 100,000 subs. Congratulations Brad. My favorite guitar channel. Keep doing what you have been doing.
As someone who has litigated a Trademark case Gibson seems to be looking to try to force competitors into licensing agreements. They are hoping that when these smaller ownership groups learn the $500k to $3 million in legal fees to litigate a federal ip case they opt to licensing as the much more pragmatic option.
This is the problem with some white glove law firms they have to justify their crazy high legal fees.
The FULL UNEDITED, 70-minute interview is up on Channel 2:
ruclips.net/video/a2Psnxve3TY/видео.html
Excellent and I mean excellent video Brad!
16:00 Check out Brad's rainbow mug. It's his way of hinting that he's still in the closet.
So dude at Kiesel is saying his "Ultra V" has no resemblance to Gibson's yet has "V" in the name? Come on man??? Obviously it's not a complete copy but I bet had Gibson not made the Flying V in 1958 (not 1986) there is no way his grand father or any other "not an exact copy" company would have made that. I think it's sad that Gibson (or Fender, Rickenbacher, PRS...ect) has been around forever and are being bled dry because of these brands that are making knock offs (you can call them "inspired by" all you want but they might as well be made in china copies). This is what put these companies in jeopardy in the first place, Asian ripoffs. The only thing that has changed now is that it has now evolved from Asia to the entire world making ripoffs. I give kudos to all the guitar manufacturers that make totally original designs, fuck all these unoriginal ripoffs!!! I wonder what Jeff would say if a company like Chapman (haha!!! Better not get him involved or I'll get sued) started marketing an "Ultra ChapV " that in turn started challenging his sales of the Ultra V? I bet he would change his tune!!! Truth is no one is ripping off his design.
neil svendsen had Gibson not made the Flying V in 1958, no other company ever would have designed that shape - LAME
@@georgew.morrowiii118 Haha!!! Take all of Gibson's electric guitar models from 1950-86 (haha) now compare every other companies models...see any similarities? Original designs don't have Kiesel's problem. Is Gibson sending cease and desists to Rickenbacker? Fender? etc... As I said before, kudos to those builder and manufacturers that are creating original designs!!!
Lol that Kiesel Ultra-V looks nothing like a Gibson Flying-V. They're more likely to be successfully sued by Starfleet!
Doesn't look like CBS trademark Trek logo at all
Nothing is hyperbolic. It’s obviously an homage, but it’s not similar enough to claim it’s a copy of the Gibbo.
@@bobbrossify It's a "V" shape, but not a symmetrical V like Gibson's
@@bobbrossify I have seen hyperbolic Vs in the past - quick get CBS on the line! And I think the first homage was the Randy Rhoads model made by Jackson. Quick get Gibson on the line to sue Jackson for its RR model and they better sue ESP as well, they have a "V" like that as well (Alexi Laiho & Arrow range). I'll wager that ESP won't back down. And I have a BC Rich V better sue them as well. With all these lawsuits, Gibson will be the only manufacturer of V's in the world and you know everyone loves there V's - I mean look a them. Look at the options, look at the styling, look at the quality, look at the prices. No thanks!!!
@marlene riggs You don't know what Starfleet is?!?
JEFF KIESEL for president. "When we are selling guitars, it´s like selling sportscars, its like selling dessert - you are not selling Milk" so great. Kiesel Ultra V forever!
I forgot how mind bendingly stupid the "stop taping over the headstock" part was. F u c k i n g b i z a r r e
I remember seeing them crush that pile of guitars, I was crushed. I'm on disability and I'm stuck playing a 20 year old f'in NOVA. It has a problem at the neck joint so with my bridge bottomed out I still have crazy action with the strings and can't really play much, can't progress my skills. If a guitar has a slight defect and you can't sell it why not donate it to someone on disability like me. Ill supply prof of disability if they want :(
Hey im in the same boat... i do the best i can with a cheap guitar, as on disability i cant even afford strings... that broke my heart, and made me sick at the same time.
Mitchel , I am in Australia, but I build and repair guitars. If your guitar has a bolt on neck I can step you through the process of getting it right. If it’s a set neck, it might be trickier, but let’s see. Send me a PM, and I think I can help you out. You only need basic tools and basic skills. The trick is knowing what to do and how to do it.
Dude thats such bullshit those asshats at Gibson should give guitars like that away if they’re gonna smash the damn things
@@guitarrwd alot of businesses have to "destroy in field" for insurance purposes. You don't make money on giving them away, and we all know it'll always be about the money.
@marlene riggs liar, I've seen your Mom.
My dad went through this BS with many companies. He had 42 US patents and corporate greed is real!
You can thank my dad for all the credit cards on your wallet... he had the first patent on the magnetic strip on them. lol
Jeff is awesome and very down to earth.
If he had the first patent they probably ripped him off, eh?
@@melvynobrien6193 Yup Bank of America bought it for cheap!!! remember the BankAmericard?
I won't thank your dad, because no one uses the magnetic strip anymore it's all in the chip.
Thanks, Dad.
Sweet. If your dad has a spare million, he can throw it my way
Great video man i am glad i found your channel :)
It’s like Boeing suing Airbus that their plane look alike. They have two wings, engines a tail and wheels. Stupid.
Screw Gibson. I just ordered two Kiesel's. They have a great sale going on -- I can't wait to get mine!
Prove it by making a video of your new guitar
Elmo B give me a follow - it’s probably a 12 week wait.
@@mjobusch okay I just subbed
Elmo B right on! I’ve ordered two: an Aries hard tail, and a Osiris w/tremolo - the Aires will be chambered, ash body and top, antique ash, raw tone finish, and reverse pointed angled headstock - the Osiris will be gloss alder - both will have black hardware, Berylium pickups with black poles, royal ebony fingerboards, roasted maple necks, and be translucent purple. I can hardly wait! I hope to take one or both to Paul Gilberts great guitar escape in New York this summer.
Elmo B Lol why does he owe you proof
I love how Gibson was making videos about "PLAY AUTHENTIC", with Mark Agnisi.....yet they give Shakira a Custom Firebird and she then FAKES playing it during Superbowl Halftime.....The ONLY purpose of the Half Time show, is to have their entertainers get their crotch in the camera as much as possible....
And they also turn around and try to license their shapes to other companies, which would not be "authentic," by definition.
@@elkvis Umm that is the purpose of having a license so you can get paid for your license. Fender does it every day. You can commence to bashing or stupid reasons
Not only was that Firebird completely customized, but I didn't see a Gibson logo anywhere.
And talk about a bad choice for Shakira... Yeah, let's give this tinny female singer the biggest freaking guitar we make with the longest reach... It was capoed around the 6th fret and she still couldn't reach her chord positions very well. Should have set her up with an SG or something.
Why bitch about the SB halftime show? It's been garbage for years and people STILL bitch about it. Change the channel. It' always either some pop star nobody cares about or some ancient rock band/performer.
If I remember right the performers have to PAY to preform the hafltime show too so maybe Shakira (I literally have no idea who that is) was just trying to make some money back on the deal by taking a Gibson sponsorship?
Hey brad, I was wondering if you might be of any help on this one. I have a Carvin V3 100watt amp, and like an idiot I managed to power it up with no load connected... You know how you have a room full of gear, and the mess of cables turns into a spaghetti monster? Well, turns out I wasn't plugged into a cab, just a loose cable that wasn't being used. So I'm messing around trying to figure out why I have no sound and I get this clicking noise coming from my amp, I shut it down to investigate and realize my mistake. Alas, my amp is now dead, power still works, but I get no sound. I tried swapping the power tubes out but get the same results. I'm pretty sure I cooked the output transformer, and here lies the problem. I haven't been able to find anything that matches the part number on it. It's got 3 lines of numbers and letters but nothing comes up as a match on google. Any advice you could give would be much appreciated. Here's the info from the transformer,
15-02116
91000671_131
EIA606MS0710
Love the channel, keep up the good work!
Make sure the filaments on the preamp and output tubes are all lighting up. There are two fuses for the filaments. But yes, you might have a bad OT. Without researching it, I can't help much, but any transformer for 4 EL34 should work as long as it has the same taps and fits in the amp.
@@TheGuitologist Thanks for the reply! Looks like I've got filaments lighting up on both pre and power tubes, so should be good there.
Man, congrats, almost 100k!!!
Gibson should stop spunking money on lawyers and start making guitars that stay in tune. Just a thought...
Those lawyers on retainer anyway, so they just make them write dumb letters to better companies.
Steve T I have 4 Gibson’s all stay in tune just fine no issues there
I think it's too late for this gaggle-of-lawyers company. Excessive [and continuing] damage upon idiocy. Something good will come out of this though. Either an entirely miraculous re-inventing of the company or several new smaller ones, because they are a shell of what they used to be.
They need to get rid of cheap plastic nuts on 2k less Paul's. As a kid I used to walk by Gibson section and admire them now a days I laugh at the price as I walk by straight to Ibanez and music man
Steve T ive had 2 gibsons, they both stayed in tune fine, but i did snap one headstock off in pittsburgh by accident
Kudos to Jeff for offering discounts on the Ultra V and California, well played.
Tim Howard I mean more cynically doing so at the same time as a publicity rich controversy is gonna make him a lot of money
Tim Howard I don’t think it’s just a fuck you to Gibson or an olive branch to us
Tim Howard but he does seem like a swell guy
Brad - congrats on achieving the 100K subscriber milestone!
great interview!
-"Robot tuners" - Low blow Bruh, --Made me laugh tho
Yeah, that wast great, I chuckled... hahaha
I like the Robo tuners. But that's just me.
In Gibson’s defence that was a different set of Execs
But yeah. He’s telling it
Man, I was with him until he said "You don't need another guitar"....
ikr
I'm literally sitting here waiting on the UPS guy to drop off a guitar, while browsing Reverb and listening to this phone call. He really lost me there.
@@davem4250 how is he right? You dont know the needs of others, nor do you know how deep their pockets are.
Some of ya all are far too literal.
😂🤣😂
Had just watched an hour long video on Kiesel factory walk round. Wow , I was impressed and happy to see the hand craft that still happens. Loved the headless guitars and finishes. Just can't afford one yet. Hehehe.
Imagine a Kiesel / Skervesen collaboration!
This makes me want to buy a Kiesel - I've always wanted a guitar to go with my old Carvin amp
I've owned many Gibsons, from a 1961 SG Jr. to the last Gibson I bought. A Les Paul Standard from 2002. They were all good guitars but I had to sell them because of my health. Now that I am better, I will not buy a Gibson ever again. There are so many better alternatives at half the price. They are now having their cases, accessories, and memorabilia made in China. Corporate greed. Good luck. My PRS SE was only $400 used in mint condition and is better than most new Gibsons I've played.
Richard Binder PRS SE made in Korea guitars are some of the best instruments for the money.
I have a PRS Ted Mcarty S2, its bloody marvellous. Also quite fancy an ESP Eclipse II or whatever its call.. I played one recently, it was amazing!
Like I've said before with the Dean shakedown, Gibson is trying to use it's relative size in the industry to intimidate smaller builders into signing licensing agreements on certain model shapes in order to create a passive revenue stream where they have no investment other than legal fees. Smaller builders incur all costs of production while Gibson gets a cut in perpetuity. It's been done in other industries.
That's disgusting
I always wanted a Carvin bass back in the day... I went to one of their stores in Escondido and they were some fine instruments. I might look into a Kiesel one of these days
some of your best work!!! soon youll be doing these kinds of interviews while repairing amps
After hearing Jeff's mature reply to Gibson's acts of immaturity and his common sense attitude, even though I own MANY different quality brand guitars and basses,( No Gibson ) and don't NEED another. My next purchase IS going to be a Keisel......
Same here after talking to people with one
Your reply makes me laugh. Go listen to literally any interview with Jeff Kiesel - he is an immature fuckwad who thinks he walks on water.
@@officialmetalwill you must be a Gibson fanboy
Will Castillo you’re a douche lol and I don’t even own a Kiesel lol
Gibson has also told Reverend to cease and desist making their Volcano asymmetrical V guitars. They’re incredibly litigious. And it’s a shame. I’d love to buy an SG or V. But, given their shenanigans, I’m staying away.
Gibson is through and through hedge fund vulture capitalists at the helm with a bunch of people being paid close to minimum wage on production assemblies that would look all the same in China churning out overpriced instruments. That is not necessarily a bad thing as it affords lots of people a living and we need as many manufacturing jobs and infrastructure as possible in the US, but sometimes a corporation is just a smelly pile of shit.
@@johnnycab8986 I've owned & enjoyed many Gibsons over the years. A majority of the were made/purchased during the middle of the Henry J era. It's just a shame that they keep shooting themselves in the foot. Until they decide to change their litigious ways and/or get restructured - again, I won't be a customer.
What about Dean, Schecter, Chapman et al, all making Vs that more-or-less correspond to the Gibson design but with significant differences?
@@richardharrold9736 They've obviously gone after Dean, and I'm sure they're not shy about threatening others. They've send c&d letters to numerous manufacturers.
@@LorSTApunk07 and whither those who they sued years ago and lost? Various Japanese firms, PRS...
Still not getting a kiesel.
Does anyone know the state of this lawsuit today? Or at least what court it is in so I can look it up?
Gibson’s next lawsuit will be against anyone making any electric guitar with 6 strings.🙄
brad, I worked for Gibson for almost 8 years, im not at all surprised what they have been doing
Hi Brad, I really enjoy your channel, I’ve learnt a lot from watching your vids and you make me chuckle too….
I know this is off topic but...
I’ve got a problem with neck pocket cracks appearing on my Eric Clapton signature Strat… (which I’ve owned from new since 1999). I’ve looked at a number of RUclipss on this subject and some people are saying that this is a common problem and just likely to be cracks in the paint work. More worryingly, I saw a video that was saying that it’s more likely to be cracks in the wood. What’s your take on this? Without stating the obvious until the neck is taken off I won’t really know
Just to add… A few years ago I did drop it, it landed on a hard floor headstock first, apart from a dent in the headstock there weren't any noticeable cracks then…. The cracks have only recently appeared and they are growing. The guitar still plays great and there’s no movement in the neck.
Cheers Stew, from the UK
Just a note. I used to work for a major aircraft manufacturer, loved the job BTW. I got hurt on the job in 1991. I was sent to a another "shop". (They had us do janitorial work, etc., while still getting our regular pay. Could've been great PR, for them as well) They decided around Christmas that year, if we had any other skills in aircraft, to submit a resume. I had extensive experience, everything from avionics, to field service mods. (3 page resume). After Christmas they changed their minds, said if we couldn't go back to our old job, they were going to lay us off. Well I decided to have surgery to keep my job, bad move. Any way, after my lay off, (which turned out to be NOT a lay off) I got a lawyer. That company paid their lawyers $450K to fight my case, this state had a $100K MAX award, for Work Comp. They offered me $47.5K to settle, I accepted. Then they pulled that offer! The Judge was insensed! So I got the MAX, but it was nickel & dimed over a 5 yr period. I'm thinking Gibson's lawyers are doing what those lawyers did. Padding their pockets with cash, while dragging cases out to the bitter end.(they appealed up to the state supreme court too). Carvin/Kiesal (sp?) make good guitars & basses. My former bassist had a Carvin bass & combo bass amp. It sounded fabulous! (We were both die hard Fender guys). Gibson is being ripped off by their attys IMO. Of course their 335 is my dream machine, but I should've bought one back in the 70s before they were $3K.
All the other manufacturers should get together and start a class action against Gibson, to stop their frivolous and harassing lawsuits.
elkvis my thoughts exactly
Gibson seem hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot at every available opportunity
Have you heard of this lame called Rick Beato? He still thinks it's hip to play Gibson 😅😅😅
Next for Gibson... Makes Chapman signature series?
😂Sam Kinison😂 Rick Beato is an excellent musician, and his material is actually very informative.
Noahstradamus the_lesser_known Chapman and Gibson do a team up. Damn that’d be a horrible sight
Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Jeff Kiesel is one of the most down to earth, honest, innovative, and hands on people in the business. His family should be very proud of him carrying on the business as he has. Gibson, on the other hand, thinks they can bully their way back to their FORMER glory. You cant run a guitar company with a bunch of lawyers and a board that haven't a clue. May as well be making guitars under the Kraft/Heinz name.
Kiesel to Gibson: Your time is up old man
Yeah okay emperor😂😂😂
Love the Kiesel designs, woods and finishes! Would love to have a Johnny Hiland model some day. Keep up the good work Jeff.
Kiesel should go in front of the gibson factory and giveaway guitars.
Yeah, right lol.
@@madmanno5566 which one did you get? 😂
I wish that stunt could actually be profitable. Cus I’d love to fucking see that
Good interview!
I've owned a Carvin DC400, a DC135, a Bolt T, and an LB76 bass guitar. ALL of them exemplary instruments! My dream guitar is the Kiesel Jason Becker Tribute Series 6-string! Someday...soon!
Maybe take down your " I heart Gibson " badge in the corner there ;)
Lol, how the hell can you see that, I can barely make it out. Old age is defo starting to kick in !
I'll take it! It'd look great next to my '67 Hummingbird
@@MrMeadfoot Brad zoomed in on it
i saw it lol. And Uncle Bill Monroe playing his “authentic “ Gibson F5 which he carved the logo out of the headstock with his pen knife because the company did something to piss him off.
Man Gibson's got their ass in a sling why their trying to attack everybody. They should embrace their fellow American guitar manufacturers and stop messing with all these mom n pops folks
When corporate capitalism stops being about actually creating a product people *want to buy* , and starts being about simply trying to *destroy* your competitors, entire industries suffer. What the Gibson corporation is up to right now is SO FAR REMOVED from making actual musical instruments for their customers... it's just sad.
This is not how good business is run. This is predatory and immoral. It's bad for everybody.
I just went to the Kiesel website, and the V and the single cut are still for sale!
I bought my last new Gibson in 2015, and I cannot imagine ever buying another new one.
The folks who gave thumbs down are the attorneys at Gibson
Or just complete idiots who didn't even watch the video.
My best to the Kiesel family!!!! I have a lot more information to reveal from my experiences with them over the years..
@Dave Whatever Many thanks for the love!! Its unfortunate but I have gotten a lot of great support from the players who tour with my gear and who actually know my instruments and me.. They started sending me letters when Joe Perry appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine with the Ghetto Bird I made him in 2013.
They ruined Michael Tobias as myself and Rob Timmons watched back in the early 90s. They have literally destroyed a good handful of small builders by their wallstreet tactics to say nothing of the brass and the posturing...I've made my mistakes...Im better for it ! as I've walked this road... I'm not alone! Im fortunate and grateful for the experience and opportunity for growing and developing daily...Thanks again for the love!!! G
The irony of calling Gibson bozos when he is suing Harley Benton over a generic headless Strat...
The new headless stuff harley are doing look nothing like strats
@@gregtuna49no, a double cut guitar with elongated horns sure look *nothing* like a strat 🙄
@@stickmanbrains yes, Kiesel has sent a seize and desist-letter to Harley Benton over their new headless model.
@@stickmanbrains Dullahan
I recall when the Carvin to Kiesel transition occurred as the stores moved around San Diego; I was wondering how things would go and hope this goes well for Kiesel.
Jackson are the ones who shouid sue them for ripping off the randy rhoads guitars
Cant send a cease and desist to a company that produced the guitar before you patented anything. There were 3 rhoads vs made for randy from 85 to 88. Kiesel had been designing the ultra v in 84 and released it in 86... by your logic kramer should be using jackson for ripping their design off.
The first one was made in 81, where do you get your info? Also which kramer would that be?
Fender owns Jackson now and I don’t think they are as petty as Gibson. Fender seems focused on their own innovations.
@@sparks2spare782 www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/fender_facing_public_backlash_after_legally_threatening_small-scale_guitar_manufacturer.html
Great vid as always
Why is Gibson suing a company that ripped off Jackson?
That is a great question. They seem to be attacking for the V shape itself, and with that being said, the V guitar looks nothing like anything that Gibson has ever put out.
Exactly, my thoughts...exactly.
Reminds me of a white RR.
ripping off all fine and dandy EXCEPT ITS A REVERSED BODY not quite ripped off material
Szin Napalm is a Left handed Les Paul not a Les Paul ?
Good for them. Ive been following this brand for awhile now and have finally decided to pull the trigger and buy one. I'll be dropping by the kiesel factory in June. I understand they have a showroom and I'm gonna start the process then.
Kiesel make top quality guitar's that is why Gibson want them out of the game. I would love to own their single cut .
This is why i bought an ESP EC1000 instead of a LP.
Got a nice Ltd ec1000 deluxe picked out with a bad ass tombstone case, should be my next purchase. BUT, they aren't the same as my Gibsons .
The EC-1000 is what a Gibson wishes it could be for modern music. I enjoy playing my SG but I miss my EC
It is, 22 frets, short scale is just obsolete for the modern guitarist
I need a esp or ltd
I've been playing a Gibson flying V for over 45 years and there is nothing like an old one.
it was actually Matt at Banker custom guitars that initiated the pilot program to license designs . not echopark. just letting you know. you should talk to him about it
Years from now when Gibson has a new CEO... This era of Gibson will be known as Curleigh Lawsuit Era
My money’s on the “Play Authentic Era”. Pretty much captures it all.
Damn. I’m not even looking to get a new bass but Kiesel’s attitude towards Gibson’s dickery makes me want to buy one from them.
Hell I just sold my two Gibson once I got my first Aries 6 and Kiesel did an amazing job. I left Gibson and now have all my guitars made through them. Hell I’ve got another one already being built. Fight this ignorance you got my support.
I love the honesty about the website eheh!
honest and constructive dialogue is the best :)