For future reference, in case you're crazy. When you level up, the class you're in will dictate the hp growth and nothing else. So being a viking (or monk) gives the most amount of HP increase.
Loved the video man. The dry hate dripping off your voice was quite entertaining. While I would never recommending coming back to something similar to this (for your own well being), it was a great video!
That class is pure crap in fact the boss that the GAME itself recommends using that class for still SUCKS instead of worrying about Hein and Barrier change just USE 4x JOB Class LV 99 Monks to kill him in 1 turn instead. I don't even use the THIEF class in any version of FF3 either.
That would be a good next one to pick. Scholar is -in my mind- the true evolution of Red Mage in this game. Like Magus and Devout for Black and White Mages. Sage is like untrue evolution of all mages, where it can cast everything but without the defining traits of each of the specialists, and less spell slots.
@@veghesther3204 pretty sure Hein takes less physical damage, and also the scholar's ability to double the power of healing items means they can heal a lot consistently. you're missing out w/ thief too, in the 3d version a high job level thief can steal the 2nd or third strongest lance in the game from odin.
18:20 I always figured Sage was their replacement job, since like Magus to Black Mage, and Devout to White Mage, Sage functions similarly to Red Mage, being skilled in both White, and Black magics, the only thing really missing is the swordplay.
It's a bit odd, because Sage almost functions as a flat upgrade to every caster. So it's hard to say it's Red Mage's replacement when it replaces half the classes in the game.
I would say that Red Mage is actually the best class until you leave the floating continent, but then it’s usefulness jumps off a cliff. This thought is reflected near exactly as I’d expect it to be in the video. Thank you for your suffering.
Yeah, red mage is such a fun idea. It isn't always executed super well, but I love a hybrid character class. And I agree. Restricting classes to certain races was an interesting idea, but I much prefer the original FFT's method of everyone can access every (non-unique) class.
@@Xephrost_Gaming no class restriction was fine, but general jobs like black white and red mage should’ve been for everyone, and some form or warrior or soldier
Just finished FF3 PR today. Really disliked how several bosses just spammed aoe attacks over and over, they seemed to often focus the ones with low hp if they did single attacks, they had lots of hp, and turn order seemed random. But oh well. Loved the jobs and sprites. Played the re-imagined version on DS a long time ago. Wanted to experience the original.
And some people say that FF3 is the best among 8bit Final Fantasies :D No good enemy drops except for the onion stuff from late game dragons (in "bad" FF2 you can easily grind ribbons, prorings and Osmose spell), none purchasable (at least in original Famicom version) elixirs and phoenix downs, no tents/cottages whatsoever, toad/mini dungeon bs, and last but not least - there's no way to exit the last dungeon and this is pretty much inexcusable. P.S. Don't get me wrong, I do think that this is solid JRPG for 1990, but there's a lot of negative things to say about this one even comparing to FF1-FF2.
@@AnAverageGoblin this most powerful equipment needs extra grinding for an onion knight job class and it's still way worse than hasted Ninjas throwing shurikens :D
Having played both, they are actually pretty different experiences. The DS version has a lot of rebalancing from the original release. And while some of that carried over to the pixel remaster (looking at you 100k hp bosses), the pixel remaster is more true to the original release.
I wasn't aware they absolutely doubled down on FF3 having the most absurd final dungeon stretch of any JRPG ever. It was already absolute bullcrap with basically 2 full dungeons without a single save point, essentially a boss rush, THEN it even had the gall to make Cloud of Darkness a massive difficulty spike over those other bosses. All without a save point. To be fair though, those HP pools mean very little to having 2-3 Ninjas throwing Shurikens for 9999.
The commentary sounded about right, lots of intermittent grinds for parity or spell levels, running out of new equipment 1/3rd of the way into the game. I was not expecting Garuda to be manageable either! It's _funny_ that PR Chaos has too much hp in FF1, it's a surprise that no one wanted but can probably overcome on their next try. There's a whole history of Chaos having the wrong amount of hp for the game he's in, it's a running gag now. Previous versions of FF3 were already heartless towards class upgrades. Keeping the stats that were boosted specifically to compensate for other changes that _weren't_ kept is some tremendous bs.
That's a lie youtubers sold to you like a pyramid scheme to an old lady. I beat the pixel remaster with A thief, Warrior, bard, and summoner. Alternating between other green-colored jobs as needed. It was a neat run.
They did actually. FF5 has a few jobs that are hell to play but red mage really isn't one of them. Granted not being able to use shields/ribbons really hurts defense wise
Fix stuff like this is rather an odd thing to say when by design this game expects you to stop using certain classes including red mage for the most part. No one runs warrior after unlocking knight afterall...granted even though the end game was hell keep in mind that was when you are truly expected to upgrade to its true upgrade...sage. red mage at least stays useful in this game for until then. Which is more than the other classes can say for the most part Sure they do keep giving you equipment for defense up to the end at least. Yeah offense wise it does burn out though some things help, break Staff even if rune is better most of the time i see wasn't used but it actually does pretty well in some situations.
would be worse. slower game, bosses get double turns, and even the one advantage (the unique Red Mage item you get from the blacksmith) can only be gotten once and wouldn't help much because its basically an endgame item, among other things.
But on that version they WOULD NEVER survive Particle Beam + Lighting Every turn SOLO on Average it would do like 5000+ damage EACH turn even AT JOB AND party member lv 99 and the ONLY way it could OUTHEAL that damage is going with 99 Elixers BEFORE the fight starts I barely had even 10 of them.
I think red mages are better in the DS remake, unlike the nes versión were after water Crystal they don't get new equipment in the DS they can continue getting new gear and weapons including the endgame gear, also they now learn level 5 magic instead of 4 meaning they can now learn raise
3 is easily my least favorite game in the series. The gimmick fights are more annoying than fun and class switching isn’t that interesting of a mechanic when you can’t take any skills with you from class to class. Ultimately, I think this game gets overshadowed by later games that pulled off the class switching mechanic better. Final Fantasy 5 and the Bravely Default games prove the idea can work, it just wasn’t handled well here.
Unlike FF5 etc in this one Red mages are PURE CRAP in fact I ONLY use them in area's where you MUST KEEP your party under Mini or Toad status even at job lv and party member lv 99 they will NEVER OUTHEAL Particle Beam and while the last boss DOES have a physical hit 99% of the time the boss will NEVER use it and use PB every turn which in the Red Mage job the highest level CURE spell Red mages can use will restore LESS HP then it causes.
That's why they suck without access to that spell you will NEVER outheal Particle beam and it doesn't help that BP hits EVERONE and FF3 doesn't ANY MEGA ELIXERS as items I believe FF6 is the first game that has those not counting the GBA/PSP version of FF1.
I watched a friend stream this and he grinded for fun a lot when we'd be playing D&D and playing the game as intended with class swapping makes the bosses stupid easy even with the increased HP. The game is really just balanced around swapping classes frequently.
A turn-based RPG with no grid or range mechanic and magic accuracy stats, enabling magic to miss, while the bosses' sprites are tenfold bigger than the party's.... Yea FFII & III were the wacky phase of FF series' development
Oh yes. I always use the increased xp/gil settings on the pixel remasters. It saves so much time in recording. And this would have been even more miserable without it.
Okay honestly Xephrost, I am of the opinion that you should NEVER do a job challenge in FFIII. It straight up is misery in those final dungeons. Even if you upgraded red mages for say sages (B&W casting) it is still AWFUL. I have tried similar runs in the DS version and unlike FFV the game IS NOT MADE FOR IT. On top of that imho 3 is by far the single most boring game to play through by a large margin. I am glad you tried this once but honestly I don't feel the need for you to subject yourself through it again.
@@AnAverageGoblin Did people really hate 3 for it being too hard? Maybe I only used top tier classes without realizing, most of the game I was just warrior, monk white and black mage. then dark knight, black belt and the replacement white/black mage.
@@Xephrost_Gaming There's a reason I never made those lines. Since to me it just isn't entertaining. I wouldn't have wanted to subject you to this game. At least in such a similar regard. So yeah. Fair enough.
The most important thing about red mages is that they look cool.
Cape, giant feather, awesome hat, what isn't to love about the red mage?
Yeah, whether they are good or not, they always look great.
Facts
That's why Blue Mages are the best. Style *and* power.
That's why I used a red mage the whole time back in the 3D version. Thankfully they balanced the 3D version better then 2D.
Ahriman: *uses Curaja*
*Glass shattering*
*Steel pipe hitting floor*
*Extreme fart reverb*
Xephrost: OMAE WA MOU SHINDERU
Alternate title: A gamer’s slow descent in to madness.
Thanks for sharing the Suffering. And More Suffering
I usually name recordings after a boss I beat or a new area reached. But sometimes there is only Suffering. And More Suffering.
For future reference, in case you're crazy. When you level up, the class you're in will dictate the hp growth and nothing else. So being a viking (or monk) gives the most amount of HP increase.
so basicly for red mage run. you need to abuse this basicly and level up with the class that boost atk stat every level up.
@@housinengi9512 Unfortunately that only applies to HP, every other stat is fixed based on class and level
Loved the video man. The dry hate dripping off your voice was quite entertaining. While I would never recommending coming back to something similar to this (for your own well being), it was a great video!
I hit the World of Darkness in my own normal playthrough and just.. couldn't any more... Such a hike in difficulty... relieved it wasn't just me!
Now a Scholar challenge 😂
That doesn't sound to bad. I haven't played pixel remaster yet but 3d version scholar dealt plenty of damage using items stolen by enemies.
That class is pure crap in fact the boss that the GAME itself recommends using that class for still SUCKS instead of worrying about Hein and Barrier change just USE 4x JOB Class LV 99 Monks to kill him in 1 turn instead.
I don't even use the THIEF class in any version of FF3 either.
@@veghesther3204 yeah the class is pretty much useless. Still, I had lot of fun using it
That would be a good next one to pick. Scholar is -in my mind- the true evolution of Red Mage in this game. Like Magus and Devout for Black and White Mages. Sage is like untrue evolution of all mages, where it can cast everything but without the defining traits of each of the specialists, and less spell slots.
@@veghesther3204 pretty sure Hein takes less physical damage, and also the scholar's ability to double the power of healing items means they can heal a lot consistently.
you're missing out w/ thief too, in the 3d version a high job level thief can steal the 2nd or third strongest lance in the game from odin.
HELL yea
18:20 I always figured Sage was their replacement job, since like Magus to Black Mage, and Devout to White Mage, Sage functions similarly to Red Mage, being skilled in both White, and Black magics, the only thing really missing is the swordplay.
It's a bit odd, because Sage almost functions as a flat upgrade to every caster. So it's hard to say it's Red Mage's replacement when it replaces half the classes in the game.
Scholar is their replacement which is meant to be replaced by evoker and finally summoner.
I would say that Red Mage is actually the best class until you leave the floating continent, but then it’s usefulness jumps off a cliff. This thought is reflected near exactly as I’d expect it to be in the video. Thank you for your suffering.
cant wait till the dark knight run!
FFTA introduced me to this awesome job, so dope I just wish Viera wasn’t the only race to get it
Yeah, red mage is such a fun idea. It isn't always executed super well, but I love a hybrid character class.
And I agree. Restricting classes to certain races was an interesting idea, but I much prefer the original FFT's method of everyone can access every (non-unique) class.
@@Xephrost_Gaming no class restriction was fine, but general jobs like black white and red mage should’ve been for everyone, and some form or warrior or soldier
Just finished FF3 PR today. Really disliked how several bosses just spammed aoe attacks over and over, they seemed to often focus the ones with low hp if they did single attacks, they had lots of hp, and turn order seemed random.
But oh well. Loved the jobs and sprites. Played the re-imagined version on DS a long time ago. Wanted to experience the original.
And some people say that FF3 is the best among 8bit Final Fantasies :D
No good enemy drops except for the onion stuff from late game dragons (in "bad" FF2 you can easily grind ribbons, prorings and Osmose spell), none purchasable (at least in original Famicom version) elixirs and phoenix downs, no tents/cottages whatsoever, toad/mini dungeon bs, and last but not least - there's no way to exit the last dungeon and this is pretty much inexcusable.
P.S. Don't get me wrong, I do think that this is solid JRPG for 1990, but there's a lot of negative things to say about this one even comparing to FF1-FF2.
the most powerful equipment in the game being a rare drop from a rare enemy isn't a bad thing lmao and the toad/mini "bs" is such a non issue.
@@AnAverageGoblin this most powerful equipment needs extra grinding for an onion knight job class and it's still way worse than hasted Ninjas throwing shurikens :D
If you're wondering red mage is indeed replaced by a more advanced job. Red mage > Scholar > Evoker >endgame job
That's what is intended rofl.
Blue jobs only is a fun challenge run I've done
I've only played the 3d remake of ff3 on ds, I'll need to actually play the 2d version sometime
Having played both, they are actually pretty different experiences. The DS version has a lot of rebalancing from the original release. And while some of that carried over to the pixel remaster (looking at you 100k hp bosses), the pixel remaster is more true to the original release.
The way break damage limit would help ff3 is entirely underestimated
I was really enjoying the video until you started complaining endlessly about how bad the game was.
I wasn't aware they absolutely doubled down on FF3 having the most absurd final dungeon stretch of any JRPG ever. It was already absolute bullcrap with basically 2 full dungeons without a single save point, essentially a boss rush, THEN it even had the gall to make Cloud of Darkness a massive difficulty spike over those other bosses. All without a save point.
To be fair though, those HP pools mean very little to having 2-3 Ninjas throwing Shurikens for 9999.
The commentary sounded about right, lots of intermittent grinds for parity or spell levels, running out of new equipment 1/3rd of the way into the game. I was not expecting Garuda to be manageable either!
It's _funny_ that PR Chaos has too much hp in FF1, it's a surprise that no one wanted but can probably overcome on their next try. There's a whole history of Chaos having the wrong amount of hp for the game he's in, it's a running gag now.
Previous versions of FF3 were already heartless towards class upgrades. Keeping the stats that were boosted specifically to compensate for other changes that _weren't_ kept is some tremendous bs.
I thought that was impossible without Sage and Ninja.
Not impossible. Just boring and tedious.
That's a lie youtubers sold to you like a pyramid scheme to an old lady.
I beat the pixel remaster with A thief, Warrior, bard, and summoner. Alternating between other green-colored jobs as needed. It was a neat run.
@@leargamma4912 PR the easiest version of the game btw.
Great video 🎉.
Good thing they fixed stuff like this in Final Fantasy V. Right?... Right??? :O
Right...?
They did actually. FF5 has a few jobs that are hell to play but red mage really isn't one of them. Granted not being able to use shields/ribbons really hurts defense wise
Fix stuff like this is rather an odd thing to say when by design this game expects you to stop using certain classes including red mage for the most part. No one runs warrior after unlocking knight afterall...granted even though the end game was hell keep in mind that was when you are truly expected to upgrade to its true upgrade...sage. red mage at least stays useful in this game for until then. Which is more than the other classes can say for the most part
Sure they do keep giving you equipment for defense up to the end at least. Yeah offense wise it does burn out though some things help, break Staff even if rune is better most of the time i see wasn't used but it actually does pretty well in some situations.
Needs more dual cast
Run it back on the ds version
FF3 DS with only Red Mages?
would be worse. slower game, bosses get double turns, and even the one advantage (the unique Red Mage item you get from the blacksmith) can only be gotten once and wouldn't help much because its basically an endgame item, among other things.
@@AnAverageGoblin
So it'd be more of a challenge.
Red mages are actually top tier in the DS version
But on that version they WOULD NEVER survive Particle Beam + Lighting Every turn SOLO on Average it would do like 5000+ damage EACH turn even AT JOB AND party member lv 99 and the ONLY way it could OUTHEAL that damage is going with 99 Elixers BEFORE the fight starts I barely had even 10 of them.
I think red mages are better in the DS remake, unlike the nes versión were after water Crystal they don't get new equipment in the DS they can continue getting new gear and weapons including the endgame gear, also they now learn level 5 magic instead of 4 meaning they can now learn raise
3 is easily my least favorite game in the series. The gimmick fights are more annoying than fun and class switching isn’t that interesting of a mechanic when you can’t take any skills with you from class to class. Ultimately, I think this game gets overshadowed by later games that pulled off the class switching mechanic better. Final Fantasy 5 and the Bravely Default games prove the idea can work, it just wasn’t handled well here.
Is this the weakest version of red mage in the series history?
Unlike FF5 etc in this one Red mages are PURE CRAP in fact I ONLY use them in area's where you MUST KEEP your party under Mini or Toad status even at job lv and party member lv 99 they will NEVER OUTHEAL Particle Beam and while the last boss DOES have a physical hit 99% of the time the boss will NEVER use it and use PB every turn which in the Red Mage job the highest level CURE spell Red mages can use will restore LESS HP then it causes.
From looking, red mages didn't even have curaga in the original release. Without that, I think I just would have had to give up.
That's why they suck without access to that spell you will NEVER outheal Particle beam and it doesn't help that BP hits EVERONE and FF3 doesn't ANY MEGA ELIXERS as items I believe FF6 is the first game that has those not counting the GBA/PSP version of FF1.
I watched a friend stream this and he grinded for fun a lot when we'd be playing D&D and playing the game as intended with class swapping makes the bosses stupid easy even with the increased HP. The game is really just balanced around swapping classes frequently.
I agree. FF3 is a fun game when played exactly as intended. If you play not as intended, however... it goes poorly.
A turn-based RPG with no grid or range mechanic and magic accuracy stats, enabling magic to miss, while the bosses' sprites are tenfold bigger than the party's.... Yea FFII & III were the wacky phase of FF series' development
It took me a while and several play throughs to conclude that FF3 is actually not even as good as FF1. The design is just off
I hope for your sake you use the 4x XP while grinding.
Oh yes. I always use the increased xp/gil settings on the pixel remasters. It saves so much time in recording. And this would have been even more miserable without it.
Okay honestly Xephrost, I am of the opinion that you should NEVER do a job challenge in FFIII. It straight up is misery in those final dungeons. Even if you upgraded red mages for say sages (B&W casting) it is still AWFUL. I have tried similar runs in the DS version and unlike FFV the game IS NOT MADE FOR IT. On top of that imho 3 is by far the single most boring game to play through by a large margin. I am glad you tried this once but honestly I don't feel the need for you to subject yourself through it again.
I got a lot of comments on the black mage playthroughs asking why no FF3. So many I made a short about it. Now I will send them to this video.
if you think 3 is boring there are SOOO many games in this series you haven't played.
@@AnAverageGoblin Did people really hate 3 for it being too hard? Maybe I only used top tier classes without realizing, most of the game I was just warrior, monk white and black mage. then dark knight, black belt and the replacement white/black mage.
@@nightcloud2014 it has moments where it can be difficult, but it isn't too hard usually.
@@Xephrost_Gaming There's a reason I never made those lines. Since to me it just isn't entertaining. I wouldn't have wanted to subject you to this game. At least in such a similar regard. So yeah. Fair enough.
How can a normal rat cast 2nd level spells?