I have that same t-shirt and it's my favorite shirt. I love how soft and light the material is. It also sparked a very long conversation with a Roman catholic at a bus stop one time. In regards to the five solas he said: "that's a lot of alones".
I grew up in a Dutch CRC. We had a hymn book and sang with an organ. Sometimes, like Christmas the piano would be played or a guy on a trumpet for Easter. In the back of the hymnal are the canons of dort, Belgium confession, nicene creed, westminister confession, and liturgies for baptism, new membership, church discipline etc. We said the apostles creed every Sunday...I miss that one. There were lots of people, and it was close knit. Good ol Smithers BC. Then the debacle of 1995 came around and the church started to split...cest la vie.
This day and age, it's a miracle in itself to understand and submit to the Scriptures. To the point of understanding the power of God in Salvation. Maybe i will start reading some of the confessions and figuring out where im at.
@@PETERJOHN101😂😂😂 Calvinism isn't a false Gospel, it's a theology category defined by consistent biblical exegesis! I am a Calvinist and I am very clear on the actual gospel as I was not even a Calvinist until a couple years after the Lord saved me!
Isn't Romans 10:9 the gospel? Plain and simple. Romans 10:9 alone is a huge deal for Calvinism. Why would our Perfect father in heaven use a conditional word if salvation is unconditional. If Calvinism is true then God is either dishonest, or a bad communicator. I shouldn't be commenting before saying this, but I'll discuss it if you are capable of changing your mind, I assure you I am, because I am shown things that I am wrong about, or didn't know in the Bible frequently, it is a deep well.
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 If it is consistent isegesis why did it take like 400 years after Christ for it to exist, and why does the majority of Chrisendon reject it? I've researched it deeply, and find it to be unbiblical, but on the surface it seems suspicious.
@@travissharon1536Romans 10:9 doesn’t preclude unconditional election. Paul is simply giving a litmus test of salvation: do they believe that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead or not? A Calvinist would simply say that the only people who do this have been granted by the Father to do it. On the other hand, an Arminian would say that anyone who made a free will choice to accept Jesus are those who do it. You’re simply arguing from the wrong category. Also… I’d challenge you to show me another treatise of soteriology before Augustine of Hippo. His conflict with Pelagius gave rise to the need to carefully define doctrines that very well could have been believed in less clear terms by Christians before him.
Actually… That sounds like the biggest bunch of bunk I’ve ever heard. It’s all sounding a little bit too much like the Catholics. A bunch of rules, and “you must believe this”. I just count on the gospel, and Jesus Christ method of salvation… You guys can argue over all the other stuff.
Calvinism is a false Gospel. It's practitioners believe that Jesus died for some but not all. They make no real distinction between God and Satan. That's why Calvinism is considered to be a form of Gnosticism.
@@PETERJOHN101 doesn’t matter… All religion is created by Satan to turn people away from God. I don’t care whether it’s Catholic, Mormon, JW, Baptist, Lutheran, methodist, Presbyterian, orthodox… Whatever.
@@PETERJOHN101 I’m not going to go to hell because I don’t know whether to believe women should be pastors or not. I’m not going to go to hell because I believe God has predestined some people . I’m not going to go to hell because I believe in the rapture or not. I’m not going to go to hell because I do or do not believe that people today can speak in tongues… Are you getting my point??????
Exactly its biblical! 1 Chronicles 25:6 KJV - All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman. 2 Chronicles 5:12 KJV - Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:) Psalm 98:4-6 KJV - Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm. With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Thanks for that. I waited till near the end to see if you’d mention cesssasionism, which interests me as Reformed and Charismatic. Looking forward to hearing more!
I'm a Calvinist and believe in believer's baptism free musical worship and the gifts of the Spirit because they are in the Bible. But I don't believe that most of what we see today is the real deal. Ex Arminian Calvinist.
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Awesome video. I am a Particular (Reformed) Baptist and belong to a confessional (1689) church. Our worship service is centered around the Gospel, God glorifying, and Christ-centered. We corporately profess a creed, alternating (on a monthly basis) between the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. We adhere to the 5 Solas (and TULIP). Our worship music is God-focused; traditional hymns and Psalms. The congregation is a combination of young adults and families and older adults who are passionate about our love and reverence of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Without doubt, God has certainly blessed me on my long journey, searching for His church. *All Glory to God*
@@ronlanter6906 Lije prayer matters to a closed theist. Your christ of Calvinism can’t compare with Jesus The Messiah. Sola de do better, if you’re willing.
@@truthseeker5698 THE Christ is NOT of Calvin but of God's WORD as clearly stated throughout. You cannot accept the sovereignty of God, who rules over all things. Your god is a creature created by the Supreme Creator, who is God the Father Almighty - Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things. *Sola scriptura (Scripture alone)* *Solus Christus (Christ alone)* *Sola fide (faith alone)* *Sola gratia (grace alone)* *Soli Deo gloria (glory to God alone)* You are a seeker of truth *Jesus Christ is the TRUTH*
@@ronlanter6906 Cohere/ coalesce your christ of calvinism to Jesus The Messiah, Align them, I'll wait. Succinct, not a winkle or dust between the lines, no mystery or endless grace adjectives. lol. The supposen chosen absurdity is exposed bro! Sola de your choice.
And those that are damned never wanted to be saved or recognize Christ as their saviour, and those that are saved, recognize their sin and helplessness and are saved by Grace.
@@timfotusky5327 well to understand dynamic omniscience you have to use your brain 🧠 as well 16 pounds of Good Christian Philosophy is better than an ounce of marginal theology It’s idolatry to think God doesn’t have free will imo
It should be noted that after the collapse of Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll moved to Arizona to plant anoyther church. As the pastor of that church, he walked back his reformed view saying that it was a garbage theology for little boys with father wounds (yikes).
He has no business being a pastor. He lost that right after his potty mouth at Mars Hill. But, people will fall for anything. I have the belief that pastors should not be paid by the congregation. They should work a secular job to keep them grounded and not relying on church attendance, hyper focused on church growth, and it keeps them in the secular business world so they understand daily what we go through. Besides, I have yet to see a pastor truly busy 40 hours a week. This is why we see fallen “pastors” like Driscoll always going back to pastoring because they can’t make it in the real world. They think it’s beneath them and it’s not “God’s calling” for them.
I believe Reformed theology, but do not believe in " submission" to baby boomer elders who are clearly worldly and hypocritical and smothering. This makes it difficult as I don't care for mega- churches, fundamentalism, or charismatic cultures.
Then there are the simple folks with God’s Word who read and believe it 😀 fundamental Christianity outside of the harlot’s Roman system. Why would we try to reform the harlot? We need to come out of her 🙂 That is why I’m not reformed, or Calvinist, or Arminian.
@@petergouvignon8048 So Mormonism is alright with you?😅 Our theology and creeds make clear what we do and don't believe but you think we should toss it out the window. Well then I hope you're okay with jehovahs witnesses and catholics.
@@gerrydean7696 our Bible is enough to make it clear for us. We are the church and as the bride of Christ we have His Spirit and mind. Paul’s letters to the churches is sufficient for our doctrine.
6:50 I think you'll find that most adherents to the RPW do use musical instruments, and do not hold to exclusive psalmnody (though they will usually sing psalms as part of their worship). But you won't see them doing an "at the movies" sermon series.
I don't know why some churches don't use musical instruments, as Psalms mention about musical instruments? I'd say in this part regarding the use of musical instruments, it's a tradition too, not based on the scripture. Psalms 81:1-4 (KJV) "SING ALOUD UNTO GOD our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob. TAKE A PSALM, AND BRING HITHER THE TIMBREL, THE PLEASANT HARP WITH THE PSALTERY. BLOW UP THE TRUMPET IN THE NEW MOON, in the TIME APPOINTED, on our solemn feast day. FOR THIS WAS A STATUTE FOR ISRAEL, AND A LAW OF THE GOD of Jacob."
This video is kinda confusing bc JMac would be considered a new Calvinist based on his eschatology. While someone like Jeff Durbin and Apologia are now being thrown in this category bc of their "normative worship" 🤨 yeah I am not accepting these arbitrary criteria that seem to be confusing. Apologia is reformed and the whole modern puritan and old Calvinist vs. new Calvinist seems really absurd.
Thanks for your comment. John MacArthur and others would be Sovereign Grace Calvinists so neither Old Calvinists nor New Calvinists. Apologia is confessionally Reformed I believe so they would be with the New Puritans. A small difference like normative worship would not place them outside the new rising Reformed movement. In fact, Apologia might even be considered one group that is leading the charge.
Alan, this is completely off topic but I have a question about something that has taken place near me. There is a local girl that goes to a church near me, she went off to college and got pregnant. Her pastor has told her, that she needed to stand before the congregation and apologize to her church members. Is this an appropriate biblical response pastorally? I assume she is a member of the church. And as for the father involved, I don't know if there is an ongoing relationship. I'm quite certain there are no wedding bells in the future, but I'm not sure if he is still in the girl's life. What are your thoughts?
This is not biblical church discipline. Matthew 18:15-20 says to only bring the matter to the church if the person who sinned refuses to accept counsel and to repent of their sin (before God, not explicitly in front of the congregation.) Only after the person refuses to repent do you bring two or three more to confront, and then afterwards the church will communally cut ties until that person repents. If she has repented of her sin of fornication then she has nothing to apologize to the church for. If she has acknowledged her sin and repented to the Lord to turn from it then the church should forget her sin, just as the Father does for us. This is concerning since the church should be there for her, she sinned in fornication, but the child growing in her is a gift from God and she shouldn't be shamed by the congregation, they should be excited and doing everything they can to help her in her pregnancy. Admittedly I don't know all the details here but it seems to me that her pastor is grossly in the wrong.
Also if I remember correctly that Rick Warren was under that of John Piper and Driscoll. I could never understand why John Macarthur would have Piper.. but anyway I enjoyed the show even though I remember the change of some men you explained it well.
Lol. Mark Driscoll does believe In limited atonement. I guess he doesn't understand everyone limits the atonement. As a calvinist I know God limits the atonement. He doesn't elect everyone or else everyone would be saved. The Arminian also limits the atonement, because In there theology not everyone '' makes a decision '' for Christ. So the question Is, who Is sovereign ? God or man? Who limits the atonement God or man? Because there Is no question that It Is limited. Mark Driscoll would be someone who Is illogical In his doctrine since every letter of TULIP logically flows Into one and out the other. If you deny any letter, then you have an inconsistent illogical hermeneutic.
Just a slight correction to your definition of the RPW and the Normative Principle of Worship. RPW is defined whatever is NOT commanded of the manner and forms of worship is PROHIBITED (2nd Commandment, Lev. 10:1). Whereas NPW is defined as whatever is NOT commanded of the manner and forms of worship is PERMITTED. But still well done in distinguishing the Old and New Calvinism.
These described organizations are such a pain and jamming up the internet. One reads the bible and believes in what Jesus accomplished and çontinues to accomplish in our lives. We tell him we place our full complete faith in him. Our new life begins. Somehow someway, i have never heard before this vid, that so much protestantism fell under the blanket of calvinization. No wonder so much of it is not correct. And the statue organization often referenced, is not the Jesus Church. The Jesus Church is alive and well and problem-free.
Your definition of Christianity allows for Mormons and Muslims to be considered Christian. People who eschew creeds and confessions are just left with a lousy creed that allows heresies to flourish.
Agreed. Too much emphasis on human institutions. Pretty much only theologians care enough about this to bother with it. Souls aren't saved by explaining how denomination A differs from denomination B in minor manners.
@sidwhiting665 thank you for saying that. I was definitely feeling it as I listened. Such a distant secondary issue, when thousands upon thousands around us walk in terrible darkness with a death sentence hanging over them.
@tombillard5264 Respectfully, I think the reason there were so many (in your view) is because the church has been attacked regularly throughout history by people trying to bring in destructive heresies and error. Yes we use the scripture primarily but it helped to condense the truths of God’s word for people to see what heresies to avoid when they didn’t have a bible in every home like we do now. Think about when it went from scroll to handwritten books read to the churches because not every believer had access or even could read. During the dark ages the RC church trying to hold it captive where it was death to those who would translate from Latin or possess a Bible. Most couldn’t read Latin except the RC church and brave martyrs who translated it. Then came the printing press to finally get it into hands of the masses. Personally I think many look superficially at the creeds and confessions from the outside without giving any thought to their origin. I’ve read many of them and it’s so edifying to see we have a like faith with Christians for two thousand years. Blessings to you🙏
To all Calvinist everywhere thank God for the reformation but it was only partial. They recovered Justification by faith alone faith alone but held on to a lot of Popery. Which is why I'm a Sovereign Grace Baptist and a happy worshipping Christian. My Constitution is the Bible alone. Ex Arminian Calvinist .
Alan, thank you for doing a program on complementarianism, that’s going to help me alot. Also the content and clarity of this video was helpful in such a compact space of time. Lastly, if I’m defending the 5 points (TULIP) it’s helpful to explain I’m actually rebutting the 5 points of Arminius. Most people don’t realize the origin of TULIP was a defense and think all Calvin did was make 5 heretical teachings out of his hat🤦♀️ Blessings brother🙏
What if Calvinism is the historical clothing and the core Christianity, Protestant style, is what matters. Being this or that "identity" now a days is given way too much divisive weight. If you are Calvinist in background and if it still feels like the shoe fits, don't worry over it one way or another. Let it be a good thing either way. Seek to bring it to life in a way that makes sense to you in the present.
You did not choose Me but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit. John 15:16 No man can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. John 6:44 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before Him in love having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1:4-5 God has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Proverbs 16:4 I can give 20 or more scriptures that support Reform theology ("calvinism")
Me too.... I listen to some Calvinist teachings and meditate on their points.... however, the 5 points (tulip) are really questionable and confusing.... I am no Arminian, but certainly i am not calvinist.... I am a Christian, and I worship the triune God, believes in the Lordship of Christ, and the inerrancy of the Bible.....
@@jerielcortez9283 Historical note Arminianism is not the opposite of Calvinism it's a different branch of Calvinism. The Synod of Dort saw two branches emerge from it those who follow Theodore Beza and those who stayed with Jacobus Arminius. They both followed Calvin, just had a slightly different read on Calvin. They are both still Calvinists.
uhh no arminianism IS the opposite of Calvinism. The Synod of Dort responded to the 5 points of Arminianism with the contrary view, the 5 points of calvinism.
@@blastingcows5024 Right I get it most people don't know history, but if you read Jacob Arminius you would know that he affirms all five points. Just in a slightly different manner. The synod of Dort was a Calvinist squabble. Prevenient Grace and pre-faith regeneration is solving the same Calvinist problem.
I’m sorry to point out something but the shirt your wearing I think is supposed to be Christian but the symbols are definitely not and looking more into the maker of the shirt it’s clear the occult is an influence in its design!!!!
Good job breaking this stuff down. This crap is so needlessly confusing…makes one question who authored these positions, since we know Who isn’t the author of confusion.
@lukewarmnomore7523 I left Moscow out intentionally. Because of my own church affiliation and friends I have in the Reformed community, I have to be careful about who I promote on my channel.
People who actually know anything about what Gnosticism is realize how ridiculous this is, a very limited number of similarities doesn't equate to "Calvinism" being Gnosticism in disguise. I can just as easily argue that Christianity is actually a perverted form of Pagan sun worship (son worship) because there are a few vague similarities that can be squeezed out.
No it’s not. Read the confessions of saint Augustine or like I did, I bought the book unabridged on CD to actually hear his words. He wasn’t perfect but he was born again, he understood the manacheanism he followed was heresy. Reading Calvin’s institutes I’m not seeing that heresy or any heresy of his own either. Perhaps it would be helpful to explain where and what they are instead of a one line assertion? Thanks and God bless🙏
Great channel Alan, I like your take on a lot of your topics. Something that I am thinking about lately and asking questions about is the trinity. I am struggling with the validity of it. My logcial mind cant make sense of Jesus being God. Does anyone reading this also stuggle with the concept of the trinity? I dont doubt that Jesus is Gods son, i just stuggle with understanding how he can be God himself. How can Jesus be a man and God? When was he God and when was he man? Wouldnt him being God take away from the amazing accomplishment that his life was? A perfect man. Since he was not born of the line of Adam, he didnt inhearit the sinful nature that we all share, making it possible to live the life he did. I dont see why he needed ot be God to acheive the sinless life. Jesus praying to God and crying out to God, these things just dont make sense if he was himself God. Does anyone think that one can still be a Christian without belief in the trinity? Thanks for reading an please let me know your thoughts!
It will help you if you would read John :13-16, and Philippines 2: 6-11. Also read 1 Corinthians 15:43- the end of the chapter. Read Hebrews 10 and Colossians chapters 1-2 as well.
@@Stryper1All men get in the way, we even get in the way of Truth. Anyone can be a stumbling block! 😔 The way I see Trinity is in John chapter one. God became flesh and dwelled with us! Emanuel!!! Scripture tells us many ways that Jesus is God! If you don't believe I am He you will die in your sins! ~Jesus
I guess I still don't understand the need to classify everyone into tiny fractions of subgroups with never ending labels. it's very much like the current sexual confusion with the whole alphabet and all sorts of new words used to define a simple binary. I understand that when you believe a thing, you would rather know you're going to a church that believes in the thing you do, that's convenient at the least. but by definition, labels are intended to divide, and to an extent I'm sure it's fine and even helpful, but to WHAT extent? we're all brothers in Christ. seems like some people might be forgetting that sometimes.
Calvanism has always been fluid, within its own ranks there are many different expressions of Calvin’s works. It’s become as fluid as the lgbtq+ community, it’ll just keep morphing until it dies or fades into obscurity.
neo-puritan Addendum: if you're going to do Complimentarianism, make sure you are careful to define it. Complimentarianism has different degrees of strictness/looseness.
He claimed to be.. .but his zeal to see the lost saved was at odds with the doctrine he claimed... he was conflicted. A statement he made illustrated this. Paraphrased, "I'll preach until all the elect are saved... they I'll pray God elects some more"... The rhetorical sentiment will 'preach' but it's not a coherent statement of a true Calvinist.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT..you obviously don’t understand Calvinism. The passion for spreading the Gospel is one of the main concerns of the regenerate man -and trying to glorify God in all his actions.
@@chrismachin2166 lol... Calvinists are not monolithic... but they are more than consistent in their inability to accept anyone ever leaves or rejects Calvinism because they DO understand it. The problem the Calvinist has is this; Since Calvinism contends no one can believe and respond positively to God apart from God's effectual act upon them against their will, (Dr. Sproul agreed it is akin to 'spiritual rape'), In their system, this is also true of anyone who leaves the faith or rejects Calvinism.(it is only by God's unchangeable decree from before the foundation of the world). I’d say one would be hard pressed to suggest these prominent former Calvinists didn’t ‘understand’ TULIP. Here are a few recent well known and respected de-converts: Tyler Vela, long-time popular Calvinist apologist, now denies Christ Paul Maxwell, a former long-time associate of John Piper/ Desiring God writer and the author of the book The Trauma of Doctrine, has announced he is no longer a Christian. Derek Webb, artistic apologist for Reformed theology for 10yrs in his work with Caedmon's and then in his solo albums, now denies Christ. Joshua Harris, leading Calvinist pastor and author, fonder of Sovereign Grace Ministries, associate of Louis Giglio/’Passion movement’, left ministry and the faith altogether. All of these people affirmed Christianity and Calvinism for many years... which they also affirmed was by God's decree, just as you probably do. "Unconditional Election is a Calvinist fundamental premise. However, now they have abandoned their belief. And an honest Calvinist must affirm this is also only by God's decree. This means their entire Christian experience and testimony was only an episode of Evanescent Grace... their faith was fake.. by God' decree, and they had no idea anymore than any Calvinist currently has in their presumption of belief in Christ. Calvin devised his theory of temporary/ ‘Evanescent Grace’ which teaches that God grants to "faith" some but withdraws it later because he was just messing with their mind for his own amusement and never really loved them anyway. This is the only way to explain those who leave the faith after believing within the parameters allowed by Calvinism. This means Calvinists are encouraged to worship a God who, in the end, cannot be trusted to love any one individual…personally, certainly not themselves. If he did it to these studied, prominent, trusted, and respected Calvinists, you have no assurance God does not already have plans to do it to you. 🤔 The Calvinist can have no assurance of their election to salvation because Calvinism does not afford it. All one can do is search for 'evidence' of Christian activity (works) and cling to them like a broken plank form a sinking ship and "hope for the best" because that's all they have. As for those who come out from under the fog of Calvinism and retain their faith in Christ, the single most common comment is along the lines of “I can’t believe I ever fell for it” Once you accept the false premise of Calvinism, all scripture must be first ‘filtered’ through TULIP and that which doesn’t ‘fit’ must be ‘massaged’ until it does, and that which cannot be made to fit is explained away or sacrificed on the alter or “mystery”. All this is done that the doctrine of TULIP may survive.
Whatever you call it, new or old, Calvinism is only a regurgitation of Augustine's views after his retreat back to his earlier manechianism and Gnosticism after his conversion to Christianity. Reformed theology and Calvinism are nothing more than a man-made theological maze of misinterpreted, out of context, poorly executed hermeneutics of the Bible. John 3:16 does not need anymore description of what God is like. This teaching is a cancer on the church. Most Calvinist I've known only regurgitate what their reformed pastors taught them and that's the regurgitation of Calvin and old reformers! They are very selective because they are afraid of having the other verses dismantle their house of cards.
It's a divine work that we will never be able to fully understand. Men make it complicated because we are confused by our sin nature. We can't place God into a man sized box.
Pastor Martyn Iles I believe is the definition of "new Calvinism." He reminds me a lot of a young, Australian John Macarthur although I don't believe Pastor John or Pastor Iles is primarily Calvinists. He's definitely worth a listen
Hello from South Australia. I have not heard much of Martyn's preaching. His speeches sometimes pop up on my fb feed. I did not realise He is a Pastor. Good day.
Definitely need new ones lol. All the old ones have left calvinism for more biblical theologies. Here's a list of apologists who left calvinism after discovering it was false: Sam Shamoun, Warren McGrew, Leighton Flowers, Michael Lofton, Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Bobby conway, Michael Brown, Keith Coward, and TJ Gentry. I can't think of any other theology that has so many intelligent men abandoning it.
Leighton Flowers was NEVER a Calvinist. Some people who claim to have been Calvinist are either lying or had some surface level belief. Now, Michael Brown was a real Calvinist.
Flowers is the only one of these I've heard of, and he is an abject heretic. I assume the others are in the same vein. Calvinism is nothing more than a theological term for a set of blatantly Biblical doctrines. God is sovereign, and sovereignty encompasses _all things;_ that includes salvation. If you deny this, you're just another heretic in the tradition of Pelagius.
@rogervincent2092 Well everyone on that list is a professional apologist and everyone of them found critical problems with calvinism. Leighton often talks about his time in calvinism and his love for guys like macarthur and RC. I think it's a pretty low blow to just assume the guy is lying about all his time spent in that theology. Do you have any evidence that he faked his time in calvinism or do you think all these apologists and myself are just too dumb to understand the theology? Jon Samson is a calvinist and has filled in on the dividing line for James white, I studied with him and there was about 6 to 10 questions where his answer was that I need to spend more time in study and then the answers would become more satisfying. If I pointed out Paul saying we need good works to get to heaven in romans 2, he'd say well he can't mean what he says there because he says we don't need works in other places. If I'd point out christ weeping for Jerusalem because they would not choose him. How could that work with irresistible grace? Why doesn't christ just decide to regenerate these people instead of crying about a choice they can't make if they wanted to? He'd point out a different passage that points out gods sovereignty. He chooses vessels for destruction..... its like "no. Let's deal with the passage instead of ignore it in light of a different passage. Eventually you get tired of shaking your head and just wanna get back to scripture instead of holding scripture hostage with your theology like that. One of my favorite things about catholicism is that we do have good logical answers for all these problems. It's like a big breath of fresh air or having a bunch of knots untangled.
Calvinists are not 'monolithic'... BUT the one thing they are consistent about is their inability to accept that anyone ever leaves or rejects Calvinism because they DO understand it...The problem the Calvinist has is this; Since Calvinism contends no one can believe and respond positively to God apart from God's effectual act upon them against their will, (Sproul agreed it is akin to 'spiritual rape'), This is also true of anyone who leaves the faith or rejects Calvinism. I’d say one would be hard pressed to suggest these prominent former Calvinists didn’t ‘understand’ TULIP. Here are a few recent well known and respected de-converts: Tyler Vela, long-time popular Calvinist apologist, now denies Christ Paul Maxwell, a former long-time associate of John Piper/ Desiring God writer and the author of the book The Trauma of Doctrine, has announced he is no longer a Christian. Derek Webb, artistic apologist for Reformed theology for 10yrs in his work with Caedmon's and then in his solo albums, now denies Christ. Joshua Harris, leading Calvinist pastor and author, fonder of Sovereign Grace Ministries, associate of Louis Giglio/’Passion movement’, left ministry and the faith altogether. All of these people affirmed Christianity and Calvinism for many years... which they also affirmed was by God's decree, just as you do. "Unconditional Election is the Calvinist fundamental premise. However, now they have abandoned their belief. And you must affirm is also only by God's decree. This means their entire Christian experience and testimony was only an episode of Evanescent Grace... their faith was fake.. by God' decree, and they had no idea. Calvin devised his theory of temporary/ ‘Evanescent Grace’ which teaches that God grants to "faith" some but withdraws it later because he was just messing with their mind for his own amusement and never really loved them anyway. This is the only way to explain those who leave the faith after believing within the parameters allowed by Calvinism. This means Calvinists are encouraged to worship a God who, in the end, cannot be trusted to love any one individual…personally, certainly not themselves. If he did it to these studied, prominent, trusted, and respected Calvinists, you have no assurance God does not already have plans to do it to you. 🤔 The Calvinist can have no assurance of their election to salvation because Calvinism does not afford it. All one can do is search for 'evidence' of Christian activity (works) and cling to them like a broken plank form a sinking ship and "hope for the best" because that's all they have.
You and me both, pretty much the same mix, but I think my paws are different colours as I hold mostly to 1646 Westminster, but with some 1689 Second London Elements (Credobaptism, Federalism) here and there as well.
Religion is a sin Revelation 18:22 Just The Lord Christ Jesus and that's it .thank God for sanctification! I was saved out of Catholicism only to escape the Calvanists Never unsubbed from a channel so fast..good luck..id say God bless but you have to many Gods..also what's up with the triangle on your shirt
What sort of Calvinist am I then? This has sadly confused me! Can someone please tell me what sort I am? I do try and Glorify God in everything I do, I do not always succeed, but I do try. I am Trinitarian as Per the Nicene, Apostolic and Athanasian Creeds. I hold to the Bible (Byzantine, 66 Book, GSB, BB, KJV or MEV) as infallible, preserved, Holy, Complete, wholly sufficient and in total authority until the return of Christ. I Hold very Strongly to the Use of the King James Version for Preference, but Fully Accept the Geneva Study, Bishops (Puritan) and Modern English Versions, I Tolerate, but am Skeptical of, the New King James (Removal of Verses), the English Standard Bible, the North American Standard Bible and the Legacy Standard Bible (Removal of Verses, Addition of Verses, Use of Corrupt Alexandrian Manuscripts) but will not tolerate the use of the NIV or GNT as I consider them Heretical, Romish, Sodomite, Gnostic Perversions! I hold to all 5 Points of Grace. Full TULIP. I Believe man is saved by Grace Alone, and that works afterwards are the result of saving faith for Obedience and sanctification. I Believe the Divinity of Christ as Fully God and fully man. The God-man. I believe a Christian should strive to live a Holy and Separate Life unto the Lord for Obedience and sanctification. I consider Arminianism in all of its forms (such as Wesleyanism) to be Pelagian, Romish, and a Damnable Heresy. I hold to Supralapsarianism, double predestination, and active damnation (God actively hardens the unelect as per Romans 9) for those elected for destruction. I hold to the 1646 Westminster Confession (Mostly, with some 1689 Second London as well), the 1619 Canons of Dort, the 1647 Shorter and Longer Westminster Catechisms, and the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. I am a Traditional Cessationist, Miracles are ongoing, but the apostolic Gifts (tongues, prophecy, healing etc) Utterly Ceased in 101- 105 AD when the Apostle John went to be with the Lord. I consider Charismaticism to be Wesleyan, as Voodoo Witchcraft, and Heretical. I am Futurist, Premillennial and Pre Tribulation. I am 1689 Federalist holding to elements from both Covenant theology and Dispensationalism. I feel we are in the last, Laodicean, Age. I am Strictly Complementarian, I consider Egalitarianism to be Heresy! I consider some things (Preaching, Headship) to be only for the Man, and some things (wearing skirts, being silent) to be only for the Woman. I hold to exclusively male headship, male only readers, male only teachers, male only pastors, male only elders. I believe women are to be silent in church, and are only to speak if an elder (male only) permits them to as to perform a communion vow or to sing Hymns or Psalmody. I do not believe in free will, and consider it a repugnant and Papal falsehood, I believe man only has Slave will. I do not permit Drums, Guitars or other such worldly rock instruments in the Church. I hold exclusively to Pre 1928 Reformed Hymns and Psalmody. I consider all Post 1928 "worship" to be Romish at best and new age at worst! I permit a Quiet mechanical Piano or mechanical Organ to guide the tune on Hymns, but Psalmody must be unaccompanied. So "mostly" Regulative. I consider the "Normative" Principle to be Heresy, and turning church into a Circus! I Do not permit the raising of hands or other such worldly festival behaviour in Church. I do permit some occasional family friendly humour when appropriate, I do not Permit Comedy Focus, Harsh Jesting or Profanity of any kind However. I consider "CRT" to be utterly Satanic, and I am politically conservative by British Standards, but Liberal by American Standards as I am opposed to Guns. I am also utterly opposed to Globalism, the WEF, the WHO, the EU, the UN, etc. I only accept Christ as King! I am Zero Tolerance on Progressivism, Homosexuality and all other forms of Sexual Abboration are Abomination, and those who are such are Not to be Permitted to worship unless they repent, leave that lifestyle, and become totally celibate and separate! I hold to Biblical Separation, and believe the true Reformed Church should not commune with Papacists, Arminians, Wesleyans, Progressives ,Normatives, Continualists, Luthereans (owing to the Damnable Heresy of "conditional security") ,Charismatics, Egalitarians, New Ageists, Judaizers, Seeker Sensitives, or followers of false religions such as Non-Reformed, Apostate (Romish and Wesleyan), Mainstream Anglicanism, the true church should shun all who are not Reformed as unbelievers! Ecumenism is Heresy! However, Reformed Churches, such as the Evangelical Connexion and the Continuing Reformed (both Taking Episcopacy from J.C. Ryle and both Churches I am personally looking at Joining one thereof!) should be encouraged to Commune. I Believe a Christian should avoid being unequally yoked if at all possible. Try and avoid Theatres and Cinemas. I Permit Pets, am very Fond of Dogs, and do Believe there will be Animals in Paradise and the New World. I consider "soul sleep" a Damnable Heresy. I believe that the Sheep will awaken in Paradise immediately after Death, and the Goats, Tragically, will plunge instantly and consciously into Hell. I consider the Forcing of Old Testament Mosaic Covenant Sabbath Laws unto the Lords Day to be the Damnable Heresy of Judaizing/Galatianism. Same as Forcing Tithes or any other Mosaic Law that was nailed to the Cross. However I do Hold to the Ten Commandments as Active and Binding, but Christ Himself is our Sabbath, not a Given Day. I consider Prosperity teaching to be Damnable Heresy, and I distrust mammon deeply. I Consider Liturgy to be Romish and Time Wasting, the Sermon Should be Focused on the teaching of the Word, and all Sermons must contain Christ without fail. Props are only for Sunday School, and the main Sermon needs only the word. I hold to the Continental (Dort) model of the Lords Day and the Five Evangelical Feasts, as well as All saints Day. I consider "Halloween" as New Age, Satanic, and something that has No Place what so ever in the Church, in Church institutions, nor in the life of any Christian. I Permit Birthdays so long as no Revelry nor Drunkenness is Practised. I am Credobaptist, but hold to Baptism as only a profession of faith, and an outward symbol of the inner Baptism of the Holy Ghost at the Very Moment of Faith. I consider Communion to be in memorial only, and something to be taken on every Lords Day. I Believe it to be Acceptable for Children (as Children should be welcomed and Encouraged in Church!) to take it if they are confirmed members of the Church. I permit Vacations so long as Sinful Activities such as Revelry are abstained from. I am semi-Iconoclast and do not approve of the worship of images or statues, as I consider Iconodoulism to be Pagan, Romish, and a Second Commandment Violation. I consider them otherwise neutral, as art, and as a Reminder. Although I do not Personally enjoy Sports (Except Motor Racing, I do Enjoy Motor Racing!), I consider them Permissable, I view Fordiddance as Legalism and as Heresy, However I am of the View that some Sports (Soccer) are only for Men, Some Sports (such as Figure Skating) are only for Women, and some Sports (Motor Racing) are Permissable for both. I Permit Movies, Video Games, Television, Music, etc, Outside of the Church as a Romans 14 14 matter (for Example, I esteem Forza Horizon as Mostly Clean and Permissable, but NFS Unbound as Every Whit Way Unclean! and to be avoided) based on Conscience regarding Issues such as Violence, Profanity, Crime, other such Unclean Elements, Secular Propaganda, Sex, etc) as my Conscience is Weak I do Forbid the vast Majority of Movies, TV Shows, Music (I consider "Hip Hop" to be especially Satanic and utterly Forbid it for myself) for Myself as Unclean, but not all! I consider a "preacher" imposing a Blanket Forbiddance to be Legalism. However I do not Permit them in the Church, the Church is for the word, not the world! I more than Permit Special Needs individuals to be Members of the Church, as additional needs are no Barrier to the Immutable, all conquering, Divine, Sovereign, Electing Love of JEHOVAH, I know, being Autistic Myself. So what sort am I? Traditional Calvinist? new Calvinist? Sovereign Grace Hybrid? It is most confusing. Answers would be very much appreciated, love and peace.
@@PoliteLeader- On his very popular channel, “Redeemed Zoomer” says that Reformed Baptists are not reformed, that they follow Baptist theology, not Reformed theology. He is a Presbyterian, and his teaching has really clarified some things for me about confessional Reformed theology. He does, however state that Pastor MacArthur is a Nestorian heretic. It really is pretty confusing!
@@chrismachin2166 Yes, it is, I need to Add that, thank you for the reminder Brother. Even when I play Forza Horizon, I have the License Plate set to Book, Chapter and Verse Numbers, as you never know who could see the plate online, wonder what it means, and come to faith by reading on Google, if it be God's will to his Glory to draw them to Christ and Eternal Salvation. Love and Peace.
Well, Matt Chandler was healed of brain cancer so that would be convincing of modern miracles although, i don't think he supports someone receiving the "gift" of healing. God bless
Miracles are God working outside His natural laws, providence is God working within His natural laws. Most of what we see today, classed as miracles is divine providence.
@judithmargret5972 In God's sovereignty I suppose he chose to heal someone if they have the normal odds against them but then made well. Nothing is hard for God and in His eyes I guess nothing is a miracle but to us it would seem miraculous. I've had a brain tumor roll in to a doctor's hands. I mean it could've been way more involved but wasn't. God could've healed me workout a surgery at all but chose that route. When it happens to you it definitely feels really miraculous 🙏
Calvinism = Doctrines of Grace = Sovereign God = Biblical Truth...people miss the point that the "5 points of Calvinism" were a response to the 5 points of Arminianism...
@@greglp776 Lol, I'm not an Arminian. Also, you just proved calvinism is false by saying it's a man-made response to Arminian points. This is an evil use of the Bible. You'll be better off using the Bible for what it actually says instead of twisting context and word definitions to compete against groups of men.
@@Romans8-9 What it actually says is every, all, world and whoever, but Calvinist change the definitions and add modifiers to words like grace to create their false jesus and false gospel.
Does New Calvanisim finally teach THE GOODNEWS of the GOSPEL or does it teach the non-biblical teachings of divine determinism & TULIP!!! If so welcome to actual teachings of Jeshua!
@@Romans8-9 plz show me ONE just ONE vrs that even remotely teaches divine determinism. U CAN'T because there r none!!!! There is is NO GOOD NEWS in scripure if u follow calvinism!!! Also show me ONE just ONE that regeneration precedes faith. Again u CAN'T because there r none!!! My first comment was not a strawman, it was stating Biblical teaching which when it comes to salvation Calvanisim is a false teaching!!!!
@HaroldZwingley yes that is true but how does God save & how was death defeated & how do we become part of His saving grace. Sol all I can say to 2 u is that you don't apparently understand Calvanistic theology just like most ALL of professing Calvanist. Calvanists don't even agree u have 3, 4, & 5 point Calvanists. Then u throw in the Armenians u end up with a mixed bag of salvitic issues.
@@Romans8-9 u better read 35-36 again they have to believe first BEFORE the father gives them to Jeshua. Like I said before Calvanists r always putting the cart before the horse. Now find me a vrs that Jeshua says I will regenerate u so u may believe without putting the horrible Calvanist isogesis to it instead of exegesis & proper hermeneutics to it. Calvanists NEVER NEVER use context to explain a scripture. They look 4 a scripture to fit their horrible theology when it comes to sslvation!!!
@jtr3190 You're wrong and are falsely accusing me.. The claims of calvinism corruptly portray GOD and HIS righteousness by accusing HIM of being the cause of rape and murder and the pride and kust they both result from and tgat my friend is a corrupt portrayal of GOD and HIS righteousness. Also, although CHRIST has offered salvation to every creature in the whole world in Mark 16 : 15 , calvinist claim that CHRIST didn't atone for all , thus accusing HIM of making an empty offer that HE hss no intention of honoring which also corruptly portrays GOD and HIS righteousness and accuses CHRIST of hypocrisy. These are your claims if you're a consistent calvinist. Do you agree with James White and John Piper? They both claim that GOD doesn't only allow child rape and torture, but is the very cause of it for HIS purposes to show HIS power for HIS glory of all things. If you dent these horrible blasphemous claims are true, then I would urge you to rethink these blasphemous teachings you've embraced, my friend. The Bible says that pride and lust don't come from GOD and that GOD isn't tempted, nor does HE tempt man , but calvinists have made these claims in error and even though they contradict scripture they hold to them and simply just try to ad hoc rationalize them away . Have you ever stopped to realize that there's not even one biblical passage that explicitly backs up the claims of TULIP except for maybe the P in TULIP , because they're built solely on philosophy of the texts instead of what the texts actually say themselves ?
Calvinism is Gnosticism repackaged: syncretism between Manechian gnostic premises of the human will/cosmology, Pagan asceticism, and pretentious Christianity.
@@aletheia8054 not distinctively it isn’t. Unlike Calvo-Augustinianism, the generative ontology that affords free will does not produce the same problems that a dualistic/deterministic ontology does. We are talking about diametrically opposed worldviews altogether, in which these things are mutually exclusive. On the ontological level, you are actually negating these premises entirely, and discrediting them from the ground up; and even if Epicureanism, so to speak, was a valid rebuttal to your point, it still wouldn’t conflict with the biblical ontology. Think on that. And I say that in light of “free will” not being a biblical premise, necessarily, even though moral culpability is explicitly and observationally persistent across the millennia documented in the Scriptures.
@@mresab1997 ...some things happen of necessity (ἀνάγκη), others by chance (τύχη), others through our own agency (παρ’ ἡμᾶς). ...necessity destroys responsibility and chance is inconstant; whereas our own actions are autonomous, and it is to them that praise and blame naturally attach.[8] ….On the evidence we have, however, it seems to me more probable that Epicurus was the originator of the freewill controversy… In 2000, Susanne Bobzien challenged Pamela Huby's 1967 assertion that Epicurus discovered the "free-will problem".
@@aletheia8054 your idea of free will was the unanimous doctrine of the early church up until the fourth century and Augustine of hippo. Even if what you were saying was pertinent - which it can’t be - you’d be going against everything in the first four centuries of the incipient apostolic faith. You’re going against the whole thing and then still trying to lay claim to Christianity. Obviously that’s not possible.
If consider myself a “New Calvinist” but it’s not the young, restless, and reformed version. Rather it’s a newer form, one that incorporates Molinism into the system as an explanatory backdrop of how God’s Providence (and pre-determinism) works. This undercuts the charges of much of the system and resolves the mystery between human freedom, divine determinism, and moral culpability. One example of how it really helps is in the area of “double predestination”. It may be that God chooses to pass over certain specific individuals and prevent them even the chance to be saved not because he is an evil tyrant but rather because, in the overall global sandbox of salvation, if God were to allow such and such to come to faith, it would lead to an overall less desirable world with less people saved. And so God has made a plan that involved causing some people to come to faith and specific times and specific ways so that and the end of days the most desirable world and the most possible saved (given the conditions God himself required) would come to pass. This is just one such example of where marrying Molinism with Calvinism helps resolve the tension that most people have against the “Old View” of Calvinism.
I have that same t-shirt and it's my favorite shirt. I love how soft and light the material is. It also sparked a very long conversation with a Roman catholic at a bus stop one time. In regards to the five solas he said: "that's a lot of alones".
I just searched for it and found that missional wear webstore...wow im gonna be a lot poorer soon. That site is great
I grew up in a Dutch CRC. We had a hymn book and sang with an organ. Sometimes, like Christmas the piano would be played or a guy on a trumpet for Easter. In the back of the hymnal are the canons of dort, Belgium confession, nicene creed, westminister confession, and liturgies for baptism, new membership, church discipline etc. We said the apostles creed every Sunday...I miss that one. There were lots of people, and it was close knit. Good ol Smithers BC. Then the debacle of 1995 came around and the church started to split...cest la vie.
This day and age, it's a miracle in itself to understand and submit to the Scriptures. To the point of understanding the power of God in Salvation. Maybe i will start reading some of the confessions and figuring out where im at.
Placing full complete faith in Jesus is where it's at.!
@@LogisticallyMisrepresentedAmen!
Great idea!
Thank you. This is very interesting. I look forward to future episodes.
Very useful video! I wasn’t familiar with these terms and I’m excited to learn more about these movements.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm looking forward to seeing this video
Maybe you could do a quick video about what the 5 points of Arminius were?
Thank you, Alan (sp?) for all you do to spread the TRUE gospel. We need way more men like you!
Calvinism is a false Gospel.
@@PETERJOHN101😂😂😂 Calvinism isn't a false Gospel, it's a theology category defined by consistent biblical exegesis! I am a Calvinist and I am very clear on the actual gospel as I was not even a Calvinist until a couple years after the Lord saved me!
Isn't Romans 10:9 the gospel? Plain and simple.
Romans 10:9 alone is a huge deal for Calvinism. Why would our Perfect father in heaven use a conditional word if salvation is unconditional. If Calvinism is true then God is either dishonest, or a bad communicator.
I shouldn't be commenting before saying this, but I'll discuss it if you are capable of changing your mind, I assure you I am, because I am shown things that I am wrong about, or didn't know in the Bible frequently, it is a deep well.
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 If it is consistent isegesis why did it take like 400 years after Christ for it to exist, and why does the majority of Chrisendon reject it?
I've researched it deeply, and find it to be unbiblical, but on the surface it seems suspicious.
@@travissharon1536Romans 10:9 doesn’t preclude unconditional election. Paul is simply giving a litmus test of salvation: do they believe that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead or not? A Calvinist would simply say that the only people who do this have been granted by the Father to do it. On the other hand, an Arminian would say that anyone who made a free will choice to accept Jesus are those who do it. You’re simply arguing from the wrong category.
Also… I’d challenge you to show me another treatise of soteriology before Augustine of Hippo. His conflict with Pelagius gave rise to the need to carefully define doctrines that very well could have been believed in less clear terms by Christians before him.
Actually… That sounds like the biggest bunch of bunk I’ve ever heard. It’s all sounding a little bit too much like the Catholics. A bunch of rules, and “you must believe this”. I just count on the gospel, and Jesus Christ method of salvation… You guys can argue over all the other stuff.
Absolutely.!
So much of this stuff merely interferes with believing in what Jesus getting us all to see.
Calvinism is a false Gospel. It's practitioners believe that Jesus died for some but not all. They make no real distinction between God and Satan. That's why Calvinism is considered to be a form of Gnosticism.
@@PETERJOHN101 doesn’t matter… All religion is created by Satan to turn people away from God. I don’t care whether it’s Catholic, Mormon, JW, Baptist, Lutheran, methodist, Presbyterian, orthodox… Whatever.
@@PETERJOHN101 While you guys are bickering about “ who’s on first”, everybody is forgetting about the only thing that counts… Salvation✝️
@@PETERJOHN101 I’m not going to go to hell because I don’t know whether to believe women should be pastors or not. I’m not going to go to hell because I believe God has predestined some people . I’m not going to go to hell because I believe in the rapture or not. I’m not going to go to hell because I do or do not believe that people today can speak in tongues… Are you getting my point??????
I’ve been a in Calvinist for about 5 years, this was so educational. Thank you Alan! 👍🏼 👍🏼
Do you know if Charles Spurgeon was a Calvinist?
@@ironleatherwood is the Pope catholic?
@@CowboyFantastic007
Word Homie 😆
@@gerrydean7696 👍🏼 👍🏼
Where and what was that moment 5 years ago that the entity opposed to Jesus led you astray.?
There is nothing unbiblical about musical instruments in worship--just read the Psalms!
Unless it’s drums. Anything that gives off a sinful beat
@@Mr.MacManwhat constitutes a "sinful beat" 😂
@@SamC_182😂
Exactly its biblical!
1 Chronicles 25:6 KJV - All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman.
2 Chronicles 5:12 KJV - Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:)
Psalm 98:4-6 KJV - Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm. With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
I'm a Calvinist and totally agree because it's in the Bible. The Bible alone should be our confession of faith.
Thank you, Alan, 😊 love ❤️ the video 📹 and can't wait for the next 😀 one.
You are so welcome
Thanks for that. I waited till near the end to see if you’d mention cesssasionism, which interests me as Reformed and Charismatic. Looking forward to hearing more!
I'm a Calvinist and believe in believer's baptism free musical worship and the gifts of the Spirit because they are in the Bible. But I don't believe that most of what we see today is the real deal. Ex Arminian Calvinist.
@livingrockchurch5521 You're welcome!
Sufficiency of scripture or new revelation ??
Thank you ! Very informative.
I’m a recent presbyterian convert. PCA. We hold to the Westminster confession and the regulatory principle of worship.
Calvin vs Calvin makes my head hurt 😂but I know some need clarification. Looking forward to the new series. Thank you, Alan!!!
Let's get back to the Bible. Ex Arminian Calvinist.
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You & your videos are such a blessing to me!! 🤍 & I love your shirt!! God bless you :)
Thank you so much!! God bless as well.
Looking forward to you covering the Holiness Pastors...
Awesome video. I am a Particular (Reformed) Baptist and belong to a confessional (1689) church. Our worship service is centered around the Gospel, God glorifying, and Christ-centered. We corporately profess a creed, alternating (on a monthly basis) between the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. We adhere to the 5 Solas (and TULIP). Our worship music is God-focused; traditional hymns and Psalms. The congregation is a combination of young adults and families and older adults who are passionate about our love and reverence of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Without doubt, God has certainly blessed me on my long journey, searching for His church.
*All Glory to God*
@@ronlanter6906 Reformed ridiculousness.
@@truthseeker5698 Sounds about right coming from someone still seeking the truth. I'll pray for your soul.
@@ronlanter6906 Lije prayer matters to a closed theist. Your christ of Calvinism can’t compare with Jesus The Messiah.
Sola de do better, if you’re willing.
@@truthseeker5698 THE Christ is NOT of Calvin but of God's WORD as clearly stated throughout.
You cannot accept the sovereignty of God, who rules over all things.
Your god is a creature created by the Supreme Creator, who is God the Father Almighty - Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things.
*Sola scriptura (Scripture alone)*
*Solus Christus (Christ alone)*
*Sola fide (faith alone)*
*Sola gratia (grace alone)*
*Soli Deo gloria (glory to God alone)*
You are a seeker of truth
*Jesus Christ is the TRUTH*
@@ronlanter6906 Cohere/ coalesce your christ of calvinism to Jesus The Messiah, Align them, I'll wait. Succinct, not a winkle or dust between the lines, no mystery or endless grace adjectives. lol.
The supposen chosen absurdity is exposed bro!
Sola de your choice.
Calvinism. The one where every baby is born with an invisible tattoo on their soul. “Damned” or “Saved”.
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Romans 9:18
And those that are damned never wanted to be saved or recognize Christ as their saviour, and those that are saved, recognize their sin and helplessness and are saved by Grace.
Determinism "doomed from the womb".
Why harden someone that is already totally depraved? Thats like saying a reprobate was a reprobate before he was born.@@Kish1610
People can change. But people are also mostly irrational. That's a very big issue.
Be At Peace Biblical Brother!!! Thanks For The Knowledge Again!!! Blessings To All!!!
Like the new look!
Thank you!
This is great. Thanks.
You're welcome!
The book I would recommend to Christians is “A Body of Divinity” by Thomas Watson,a must read.
Not forgetting to read the Bible,also!!
Bro that's a stellar shirt😍
Thanks!
Thx for all the info. I'm confused about Calvinism and related theories.
Do look at “What is reformed theology ?” by R C Sproul.
The entity opposed to Jesus thrives on confusion.
Placing full complete faith in Jesus eliminates confusion.
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented ..Repentance and Faith are a gift from God…not a free-will act. This is Biblical truth.
@@LogisticallyMisrepresentedWho is Jesus?
You have not been able to educate yourself of Jesus, @@earthwormandruw .?
Hi allan,
Thanks for explaining.
May i ask the common reason why the new calvinist does not subscribe to any mentioned confessions?
What do you have against open Theism and dynamic omniscience ?
Theologically everything.
@@timfotusky5327 well to understand dynamic omniscience you have to use your brain 🧠 as well
16 pounds of Good Christian Philosophy is better than an ounce of marginal theology
It’s idolatry to think God doesn’t have free will imo
It should be noted that after the collapse of Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll moved to Arizona to plant anoyther church. As the pastor of that church, he walked back his reformed view saying that it was a garbage theology for little boys with father wounds (yikes).
He has no business being a pastor. He lost that right after his potty mouth at Mars Hill. But, people will fall for anything.
I have the belief that pastors should not be paid by the congregation. They should work a secular job to keep them grounded and not relying on church attendance, hyper focused on church growth, and it keeps them in the secular business world so they understand daily what we go through. Besides, I have yet to see a pastor truly busy 40 hours a week.
This is why we see fallen “pastors” like Driscoll always going back to pastoring because they can’t make it in the real world. They think it’s beneath them and it’s not “God’s calling” for them.
I believe Reformed theology, but do not believe in " submission" to baby boomer elders who are clearly worldly and hypocritical and smothering. This makes it difficult as I don't care for mega- churches, fundamentalism, or charismatic cultures.
Hi Alan. I was wondering if you might be going to the G3 conference. My family would love to meet you!
Thank you! I will not be able to make it to G3. I am planning on making it to the next Right Response conference in November however.
What is an uninspired hymn?
Everything but the Psalms.
@@troy5659 Ah
Then there are the simple folks with God’s Word who read and believe it 😀 fundamental Christianity outside of the harlot’s Roman system. Why would we try to reform the harlot? We need to come out of her 🙂 That is why I’m not reformed, or Calvinist, or Arminian.
The harlot was apostate Israel whom Yahweh divorced, i totally agree with the rest of your comments forget creeds & systems they muddy the truth 😊
@@petergouvignon8048
So Mormonism is alright with you?😅
Our theology and creeds make clear what we do and don't believe but you think we should toss it out the window.
Well then I hope you're okay with jehovahs witnesses and catholics.
Yes I was Catholic and Calvinism is no different it's also a works salvation just without the idols. I also read scripture and believe it.
@@gerrydean7696 our Bible is enough to make it clear for us. We are the church and as the bride of Christ we have His Spirit and mind. Paul’s letters to the churches is sufficient for our doctrine.
@@murraylloyd6011 How is Calvinism works based?
6:50 I think you'll find that most adherents to the RPW do use musical instruments, and do not hold to exclusive psalmnody (though they will usually sing psalms as part of their worship). But you won't see them doing an "at the movies" sermon series.
I don't know why some churches don't use musical instruments, as Psalms mention about musical instruments? I'd say in this part regarding the use of musical instruments, it's a tradition too, not based on the scripture.
Psalms 81:1-4 (KJV) "SING ALOUD UNTO GOD our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
TAKE A PSALM, AND BRING HITHER THE TIMBREL, THE PLEASANT HARP WITH THE PSALTERY.
BLOW UP THE TRUMPET IN THE NEW MOON, in the TIME APPOINTED, on our solemn feast day.
FOR THIS WAS A STATUTE FOR ISRAEL, AND A LAW OF THE GOD of Jacob."
It's just the fundamentalist and their fear of drums.
Isn't Webbon LBC 1689 confessing?
This video is kinda confusing bc JMac would be considered a new Calvinist based on his eschatology. While someone like Jeff Durbin and Apologia are now being thrown in this category bc of their "normative worship" 🤨 yeah I am not accepting these arbitrary criteria that seem to be confusing. Apologia is reformed and the whole modern puritan and old Calvinist vs. new Calvinist seems really absurd.
Thanks for your comment. John MacArthur and others would be Sovereign Grace Calvinists so neither Old Calvinists nor New Calvinists. Apologia is confessionally Reformed I believe so they would be with the New Puritans. A small difference like normative worship would not place them outside the new rising Reformed movement. In fact, Apologia might even be considered one group that is leading the charge.
@@PoliteLeader umm... Ok thanks for trying to clarify that lol but I think it made me even more confused 🤔
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 Haha. Which part confused you?
@PoliteLeader I thought you were very clear. Thanks for that. I was wondering where JMac might fall
Alan, this is completely off topic but I have a question about something that has taken place near me. There is a local girl that goes to a church near me, she went off to college and got pregnant. Her pastor has told her, that she needed to stand before the congregation and apologize to her church members. Is this an appropriate biblical response pastorally? I assume she is a member of the church. And as for the father involved, I don't know if there is an ongoing relationship. I'm quite certain there are no wedding bells in the future, but I'm not sure if he is still in the girl's life. What are your thoughts?
This is not biblical church discipline. Matthew 18:15-20 says to only bring the matter to the church if the person who sinned refuses to accept counsel and to repent of their sin (before God, not explicitly in front of the congregation.) Only after the person refuses to repent do you bring two or three more to confront, and then afterwards the church will communally cut ties until that person repents. If she has repented of her sin of fornication then she has nothing to apologize to the church for. If she has acknowledged her sin and repented to the Lord to turn from it then the church should forget her sin, just as the Father does for us. This is concerning since the church should be there for her, she sinned in fornication, but the child growing in her is a gift from God and she shouldn't be shamed by the congregation, they should be excited and doing everything they can to help her in her pregnancy. Admittedly I don't know all the details here but it seems to me that her pastor is grossly in the wrong.
@thenathanator1000 well, thank you for responding. It is much appreciated. Have a blessed day 🙏 😊
Brother Alex, thank you fo your videos.
My pleasure!
Sweet shirt! Where did you get it?
Also if I remember correctly that Rick Warren was under that of John Piper and Driscoll. I could never understand why John Macarthur would have Piper.. but anyway I enjoyed the show even though I remember the change of some men you explained it well.
Lol. Mark Driscoll does believe In limited atonement. I guess he doesn't understand everyone limits the atonement. As a calvinist I know God limits the atonement. He doesn't elect everyone or else everyone would be saved. The Arminian also limits the atonement, because In there theology not everyone '' makes a decision '' for Christ. So the question Is, who Is sovereign ? God or man? Who limits the atonement God or man? Because there Is no question that It Is limited. Mark Driscoll would be someone who Is illogical In his doctrine since every letter of TULIP logically flows Into one and out the other. If you deny any letter, then you have an inconsistent illogical hermeneutic.
Acts 29 has never been noted for their doctrinal rigor
I like your shirt. Where did you get it?
Thanks! My friend got it for me, so I'm not sure.
Just a slight correction to your definition of the RPW and the Normative Principle of Worship. RPW is defined whatever is NOT commanded of the manner and forms of worship is PROHIBITED (2nd Commandment, Lev. 10:1). Whereas NPW is defined as whatever is NOT commanded of the manner and forms of worship is PERMITTED. But still well done in distinguishing the Old and New Calvinism.
These described organizations are such a pain and jamming up the internet. One reads the bible and believes in what Jesus accomplished and çontinues to accomplish in our lives. We tell him we place our full complete faith in him. Our new life begins. Somehow someway, i have never heard before this vid, that so much protestantism fell under the blanket of calvinization. No wonder so much of it is not correct. And the statue organization often referenced, is not the Jesus Church. The Jesus Church is alive and well and problem-free.
Your definition of Christianity allows for Mormons and Muslims to be considered Christian. People who eschew creeds and confessions are just left with a lousy creed that allows heresies to flourish.
Roman Catholicism is heresy as well as Calvinism.
Thank you, @@Rightlydividing-wx1xb
Team Jesus for the win.!
this vid gave me a splitting headache wow a massive list of confessions, catechism, etc .
Most all these organizations are migraine inducing.
Placing faith, ones full complete faith in Jesus, is soothing.
Agreed. Too much emphasis on human institutions. Pretty much only theologians care enough about this to bother with it. Souls aren't saved by explaining how denomination A differs from denomination B in minor manners.
@sidwhiting665 thank you for saying that. I was definitely feeling it as I listened. Such a distant secondary issue, when thousands upon thousands around us walk in terrible darkness with a death sentence hanging over them.
@tombillard5264 Respectfully, I think the reason there were so many (in your view) is because the church has been attacked regularly throughout history by people trying to bring in destructive heresies and error. Yes we use the scripture primarily but it helped to condense the truths of God’s word for people to see what heresies to avoid when they didn’t have a bible in every home like we do now.
Think about when it went from scroll to handwritten books read to the churches because not every believer had access or even could read. During the dark ages the RC church trying to hold it captive where it was death to those who would translate from Latin or possess a Bible.
Most couldn’t read Latin except the RC church and brave martyrs who translated it.
Then came the printing press to finally get it into hands of the masses.
Personally I think many look superficially at the creeds and confessions from the outside without giving any thought to their origin. I’ve read many of them and it’s so edifying to see we have a like faith with Christians for two thousand years.
Blessings to you🙏
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented Being theology-light doesn't make you more holy; it makes you lazy and easily deceived.
Nice shirt Bro! 🤩
Thanks!
Reformed= Confessional (Westmin, 1689), Calvinist (Solas, Doct of Grace) and Covenantal.
Well said
To all Calvinist everywhere thank God for the reformation but it was only partial. They recovered Justification by faith alone faith alone but held on to a lot of Popery. Which is why I'm a Sovereign Grace Baptist and a happy worshipping Christian. My Constitution is the Bible alone. Ex Arminian Calvinist .
Alan, thank you for doing a program on complementarianism, that’s going to help me alot. Also the content and clarity of this video was helpful in such a compact space of time.
Lastly, if I’m defending the 5 points (TULIP) it’s helpful to explain I’m actually rebutting the 5 points of Arminius. Most people don’t realize the origin of TULIP was a defense and think all Calvin did was make 5 heretical teachings out of his hat🤦♀️ Blessings brother🙏
What if Calvinism is the historical clothing and the core Christianity, Protestant style, is what matters. Being this or that "identity" now a days is given way too much divisive weight. If you are Calvinist in background and if it still feels like the shoe fits, don't worry over it one way or another. Let it be a good thing either way. Seek to bring it to life in a way that makes sense to you in the present.
There shouldn't be any Calvinism... It's a man made doctrine, hence Calvinism. Named after a man.
You did not choose Me but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit. John 15:16
No man can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. John 6:44
For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before Him in love having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1:4-5
God has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Proverbs 16:4
I can give 20 or more scriptures that support Reform theology ("calvinism")
Thanks nice beard. I'm not a Calvanist and will never be, just curious about the change.
Me too.... I listen to some Calvinist teachings and meditate on their points.... however, the 5 points (tulip) are really questionable and confusing.... I am no Arminian, but certainly i am not calvinist.... I am a Christian, and I worship the triune God, believes in the Lordship of Christ, and the inerrancy of the Bible.....
@@jerielcortez9283 Historical note Arminianism is not the opposite of Calvinism it's a different branch of Calvinism. The Synod of Dort saw two branches emerge from it those who follow Theodore Beza and those who stayed with Jacobus Arminius. They both followed Calvin, just had a slightly different read on Calvin. They are both still Calvinists.
uhh no arminianism IS the opposite of Calvinism. The Synod of Dort responded to the 5 points of Arminianism with the contrary view, the 5 points of calvinism.
@@blastingcows5024 Right I get it most people don't know history, but if you read Jacob Arminius you would know that he affirms all five points. Just in a slightly different manner. The synod of Dort was a Calvinist squabble. Prevenient Grace and pre-faith regeneration is solving the same Calvinist problem.
@@malvokaquila6768 There is no way Arminius affirms all five points (in a slightly different manner). They are completely at odds with each other.
Awesome 5 Solas shirt
Are getting thrown out ejected fromtheir churches?
I’m sorry to point out something but the shirt your wearing I think is supposed to be Christian but the symbols are definitely not and looking more into the maker of the shirt it’s clear the occult is an influence in its design!!!!
Alan looks like he's about to throw a skull cap on and saddle a hog. Thank you for the videos Alan. I'm looking forward to the new content!
Good job breaking this stuff down. This crap is so needlessly confusing…makes one question who authored these positions, since we know Who isn’t the author of confusion.
Nice shirt, man!
Thanks!
I don't like limited atonement either , "God's purposeful plan of atonement " , but I understand what fits in the common definition
Very interesting you don't bring up Moscow but you mention Ogden... makes me chuckle 😅
They are pretty much confessional in Moscow from what I understand.
@lukewarmnomore7523 I left Moscow out intentionally. Because of my own church affiliation and friends I have in the Reformed community, I have to be careful about who I promote on my channel.
@@PoliteLeader
I figured as much..
Does Joel hate pietism? The puritans were very pietistic
Isnt that a missional wear shirt? Looks good
Thanks.
Calvinism is manichean gnosticism introduced by Augustine
(((rolling eyes)))
People who actually know anything about what Gnosticism is realize how ridiculous this is, a very limited number of similarities doesn't equate to "Calvinism" being Gnosticism in disguise.
I can just as easily argue that Christianity is actually a perverted form of Pagan sun worship (son worship) because there are a few vague similarities that can be squeezed out.
No it’s not. Read the confessions of saint Augustine or like I did, I bought the book unabridged on CD to actually hear his words. He wasn’t perfect but he was born again, he understood the manacheanism he followed was heresy.
Reading Calvin’s institutes I’m not seeing that heresy or any heresy of his own either. Perhaps it would be helpful to explain where and what they are instead of a one line assertion? Thanks and God bless🙏
I bet you don't know what Calvinism is and you're just parroting what you heard someone else say on their anti Calvinist podcast
It seems like so many anti-Calvinist subscribe to gnostic and new age RUclipsrs, like Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson
Hello
Calvinism is a disgraceful heresy that at its core is backloaded works salvation
No thats a straw man. Probably heard from Leighton Flowers channel.
I would agree
Great channel Alan, I like your take on a lot of your topics. Something that I am thinking about lately and asking questions about is the trinity. I am struggling with the validity of it. My logcial mind cant make sense of Jesus being God. Does anyone reading this also stuggle with the concept of the trinity? I dont doubt that Jesus is Gods son, i just stuggle with understanding how he can be God himself. How can Jesus be a man and God? When was he God and when was he man? Wouldnt him being God take away from the amazing accomplishment that his life was? A perfect man. Since he was not born of the line of Adam, he didnt inhearit the sinful nature that we all share, making it possible to live the life he did. I dont see why he needed ot be God to acheive the sinless life. Jesus praying to God and crying out to God, these things just dont make sense if he was himself God. Does anyone think that one can still be a Christian without belief in the trinity? Thanks for reading an please let me know your thoughts!
What organization building have you been going into that has caused your illogically befuddled mind.?
It will help you if you would read John :13-16, and Philippines 2: 6-11.
Also read 1 Corinthians 15:43- the end of the chapter.
Read Hebrews 10 and Colossians chapters 1-2 as well.
Why don’t you just read the Bible and let the Spirit guide you??? Stop listening to men such as Alan, who make it more complicated than it is!!!
@@Stryper1All men get in the way, we even get in the way of Truth. Anyone can be a stumbling block! 😔 The way I see Trinity is in John chapter one. God became flesh and dwelled with us! Emanuel!!! Scripture tells us many ways that Jesus is God! If you don't believe I am He you will die in your sins! ~Jesus
I guess I still don't understand the need to classify everyone into tiny fractions of subgroups with never ending labels. it's very much like the current sexual confusion with the whole alphabet and all sorts of new words used to define a simple binary.
I understand that when you believe a thing, you would rather know you're going to a church that believes in the thing you do, that's convenient at the least.
but by definition, labels are intended to divide, and to an extent I'm sure it's fine and even helpful, but to WHAT extent? we're all brothers in Christ. seems like some people might be forgetting that sometimes.
I think the thing to look at here is the terms…you people call yourselves “Calvinists”…..believers call themselves…”Christians!!!”
Calvanism has always been fluid, within its own ranks there are many different expressions of Calvin’s works.
It’s become as fluid as the lgbtq+ community, it’ll just keep morphing until it dies or fades into obscurity.
Its fluid because its based on Gnostic Manicheanism the heretic Augustine forced onto the church. Reject the whole pagan trash.
neo-puritan
Addendum: if you're going to do Complimentarianism, make sure you are careful to define it. Complimentarianism has different degrees of strictness/looseness.
Is Charles Spurgeon a Calvinist?
Yes he is.
He claimed to be.. .but his zeal to see the lost saved was at odds with the doctrine he claimed... he was conflicted. A statement he made illustrated this. Paraphrased, "I'll preach until all the elect are saved... they I'll pray God elects some more"... The rhetorical sentiment will 'preach' but it's not a coherent statement of a true Calvinist.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT..you obviously don’t understand Calvinism. The passion for spreading the Gospel is one of the main concerns of the regenerate man -and trying to glorify God in all his actions.
@@chrismachin2166 lol... Calvinists are not monolithic... but they are more than consistent in their inability to accept anyone ever leaves or rejects Calvinism because they DO understand it. The problem the Calvinist has is this; Since Calvinism contends no one can believe and respond positively to God apart from God's effectual act upon them against their will, (Dr. Sproul agreed it is akin to 'spiritual rape'), In their system, this is also true of anyone who leaves the faith or rejects Calvinism.(it is only by God's unchangeable decree from before the foundation of the world).
I’d say one would be hard pressed to suggest these prominent former Calvinists didn’t ‘understand’ TULIP. Here are a few recent well known and respected de-converts:
Tyler Vela, long-time popular Calvinist apologist, now denies Christ
Paul Maxwell, a former long-time associate of John Piper/ Desiring God writer and the author of the book The Trauma of Doctrine, has announced he is no longer a Christian.
Derek Webb, artistic apologist for Reformed theology for 10yrs in his work with Caedmon's and then in his solo albums, now denies Christ.
Joshua Harris, leading Calvinist pastor and author, fonder of Sovereign Grace Ministries, associate of Louis Giglio/’Passion movement’, left ministry and the faith altogether.
All of these people affirmed Christianity and Calvinism for many years... which they also affirmed was by God's decree, just as you probably do. "Unconditional Election is a Calvinist fundamental premise. However, now they have abandoned their belief. And an honest Calvinist must affirm this is also only by God's decree. This means their entire Christian experience and testimony was only an episode of Evanescent Grace... their faith was fake.. by God' decree, and they had no idea anymore than any Calvinist currently has in their presumption of belief in Christ.
Calvin devised his theory of temporary/ ‘Evanescent Grace’ which teaches that God grants to "faith" some but withdraws it later because he was just messing with their mind for his own amusement and never really loved them anyway. This is the only way to explain those who leave the faith after believing within the parameters allowed by Calvinism.
This means Calvinists are encouraged to worship a God who, in the end, cannot be trusted to love any one individual…personally, certainly not themselves. If he did it to these studied, prominent, trusted, and respected Calvinists, you have no assurance God does not already have plans to do it to you. 🤔
The Calvinist can have no assurance of their election to salvation because Calvinism does not afford it. All one can do is search for 'evidence' of Christian activity (works) and cling to them like a broken plank form a sinking ship and "hope for the best" because that's all they have.
As for those who come out from under the fog of Calvinism and retain their faith in Christ, the single most common comment is along the lines of “I can’t believe I ever fell for it” Once you accept the false premise of Calvinism, all scripture must be first ‘filtered’ through TULIP and that which doesn’t ‘fit’ must be ‘massaged’ until it does, and that which cannot be made to fit is explained away or sacrificed on the alter or “mystery”. All this is done that the doctrine of TULIP may survive.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT👆 lol, "You obviously don't understand Calvinism." The #1 foolish response from ignorance
Whatever you call it, new or old, Calvinism is only a regurgitation of Augustine's views after his retreat back to his earlier manechianism and Gnosticism after his conversion to Christianity. Reformed theology and Calvinism are nothing more than a man-made theological maze of misinterpreted, out of context, poorly executed hermeneutics of the Bible. John 3:16 does not need anymore description of what God is like. This teaching is a cancer on the church. Most Calvinist I've known only regurgitate what their reformed pastors taught them and that's the regurgitation of Calvin and old reformers! They are very selective because they are afraid of having the other verses dismantle their house of cards.
Calvinism is to Christians as
Cancer is to healthy cells.
I have the same shirt. 👍🏼
why men make it so complicated
It's a divine work that we will never be able to fully understand. Men make it complicated because we are confused by our sin nature. We can't place God into a man sized box.
Nice shirt!
Thanks!
Matt and Mark 😢
Good grief!
Calvanism has been like cancer to my faith and yes, i do understand what calvinism means.
Pastor Martyn Iles I believe is the definition of "new Calvinism."
He reminds me a lot of a young, Australian John Macarthur although I don't believe Pastor John or Pastor Iles is primarily Calvinists.
He's definitely worth a listen
Hello from South Australia. I have not heard much of Martyn's preaching. His speeches sometimes pop up on my fb feed. I did not realise He is a Pastor. Good day.
@@libertylarochelle8517 I didn't know he was a pastor either.
No Martyn is not a pastor. He now works for Answers In Genesis. He is an excellent speaker.
@@judithmargret5972 Thanks.
@@judithmargret5972 hmmm that is why his bio (several actually) says lawyer, commentator, preacher I guess
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Definitely need new ones lol. All the old ones have left calvinism for more biblical theologies. Here's a list of apologists who left calvinism after discovering it was false: Sam Shamoun, Warren McGrew, Leighton Flowers, Michael Lofton, Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Bobby conway, Michael Brown, Keith Coward, and TJ Gentry. I can't think of any other theology that has so many intelligent men abandoning it.
Leighton Flowers was NEVER a Calvinist. Some people who claim to have been Calvinist are either lying or had some surface level belief. Now, Michael Brown was a real Calvinist.
Flowers is the only one of these I've heard of, and he is an abject heretic. I assume the others are in the same vein.
Calvinism is nothing more than a theological term for a set of blatantly Biblical doctrines. God is sovereign, and sovereignty encompasses _all things;_ that includes salvation. If you deny this, you're just another heretic in the tradition of Pelagius.
@rogervincent2092 Well everyone on that list is a professional apologist and everyone of them found critical problems with calvinism. Leighton often talks about his time in calvinism and his love for guys like macarthur and RC. I think it's a pretty low blow to just assume the guy is lying about all his time spent in that theology. Do you have any evidence that he faked his time in calvinism or do you think all these apologists and myself are just too dumb to understand the theology? Jon Samson is a calvinist and has filled in on the dividing line for James white, I studied with him and there was about 6 to 10 questions where his answer was that I need to spend more time in study and then the answers would become more satisfying. If I pointed out Paul saying we need good works to get to heaven in romans 2, he'd say well he can't mean what he says there because he says we don't need works in other places. If I'd point out christ weeping for Jerusalem because they would not choose him. How could that work with irresistible grace? Why doesn't christ just decide to regenerate these people instead of crying about a choice they can't make if they wanted to? He'd point out a different passage that points out gods sovereignty. He chooses vessels for destruction..... its like "no. Let's deal with the passage instead of ignore it in light of a different passage. Eventually you get tired of shaking your head and just wanna get back to scripture instead of holding scripture hostage with your theology like that. One of my favorite things about catholicism is that we do have good logical answers for all these problems. It's like a big breath of fresh air or having a bunch of knots untangled.
@timboslice980 why I don't believe Leighton F was a Calvinist, or not a serious one.
That would be his lack of understanding of what Calvinism is.
Calvinists are not 'monolithic'... BUT the one thing they are consistent about is their inability to accept that anyone ever leaves or rejects Calvinism because they DO understand it...The problem the Calvinist has is this; Since Calvinism contends no one can believe and respond positively to God apart from God's effectual act upon them against their will, (Sproul agreed it is akin to 'spiritual rape'), This is also true of anyone who leaves the faith or rejects Calvinism.
I’d say one would be hard pressed to suggest these prominent former Calvinists didn’t ‘understand’ TULIP. Here are a few recent well known and respected de-converts:
Tyler Vela, long-time popular Calvinist apologist, now denies Christ
Paul Maxwell, a former long-time associate of John Piper/ Desiring God writer and the author of the book The Trauma of Doctrine, has announced he is no longer a Christian.
Derek Webb, artistic apologist for Reformed theology for 10yrs in his work with Caedmon's and then in his solo albums, now denies Christ.
Joshua Harris, leading Calvinist pastor and author, fonder of Sovereign Grace Ministries, associate of Louis Giglio/’Passion movement’, left ministry and the faith altogether.
All of these people affirmed Christianity and Calvinism for many years... which they also affirmed was by God's decree, just as you do. "Unconditional Election is the Calvinist fundamental premise. However, now they have abandoned their belief. And you must affirm is also only by God's decree. This means their entire Christian experience and testimony was only an episode of Evanescent Grace... their faith was fake.. by God' decree, and they had no idea.
Calvin devised his theory of temporary/ ‘Evanescent Grace’ which teaches that God grants to "faith" some but withdraws it later because he was just messing with their mind for his own amusement and never really loved them anyway. This is the only way to explain those who leave the faith after believing within the parameters allowed by Calvinism.
This means Calvinists are encouraged to worship a God who, in the end, cannot be trusted to love any one individual…personally, certainly not themselves. If he did it to these studied, prominent, trusted, and respected Calvinists, you have no assurance God does not already have plans to do it to you. 🤔
The Calvinist can have no assurance of their election to salvation because Calvinism does not afford it. All one can do is search for 'evidence' of Christian activity (works) and cling to them like a broken plank form a sinking ship and "hope for the best" because that's all they have.
That's a lot of individual videos to do on individual false teachers.
Calvinism = Calvinist
Christianity = Christian
Problem solved .
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Free will = ignorance
I must be a very strange mutt indeed.
1689
Canons of Dort
Apostle’s Creed
Nicene Creed
Complementarian
You and me both, pretty much the same mix, but I think my paws are different colours as I hold mostly to 1646 Westminster, but with some 1689 Second London Elements (Credobaptism, Federalism) here and there as well.
Religion is a sin Revelation 18:22
Just The Lord Christ Jesus and that's it .thank God for sanctification! I was saved out of Catholicism only to escape the Calvanists
Never unsubbed from a channel so fast..good luck..id say God bless but you have to many Gods..also what's up with the triangle on your shirt
Are you a freemason?
Definitely not.
Freemasons are not Christians bro.
What sort of Calvinist am I then? This has sadly confused me! Can someone please tell me what sort I am?
I do try and Glorify God in everything I do, I do not always succeed, but I do try.
I am Trinitarian as Per the Nicene, Apostolic and Athanasian Creeds.
I hold to the Bible (Byzantine, 66 Book, GSB, BB, KJV or MEV) as infallible, preserved, Holy, Complete, wholly sufficient and in total authority until the return of Christ.
I Hold very Strongly to the Use of the King James Version for Preference, but Fully Accept the Geneva Study, Bishops (Puritan) and Modern English Versions, I Tolerate, but am Skeptical of, the New King James (Removal of Verses), the English Standard Bible, the North American Standard Bible and the Legacy Standard Bible (Removal of Verses, Addition of Verses, Use of Corrupt Alexandrian Manuscripts) but will not tolerate the use of the NIV or GNT as I consider them Heretical, Romish, Sodomite, Gnostic Perversions!
I hold to all 5 Points of Grace. Full TULIP.
I Believe man is saved by Grace Alone, and that works afterwards are the result of saving faith for Obedience and sanctification.
I Believe the Divinity of Christ as Fully God and fully man. The God-man.
I believe a Christian should strive to live a Holy and Separate Life unto the Lord for Obedience and sanctification.
I consider Arminianism in all of its forms (such as Wesleyanism) to be Pelagian, Romish, and a Damnable Heresy.
I hold to Supralapsarianism, double predestination, and active damnation (God actively hardens the unelect as per Romans 9) for those elected for destruction.
I hold to the 1646 Westminster Confession (Mostly, with some 1689 Second London as well), the 1619 Canons of Dort, the 1647 Shorter and Longer Westminster Catechisms, and the 1662 Book of Common Prayer.
I am a Traditional Cessationist, Miracles are ongoing, but the apostolic Gifts (tongues, prophecy, healing etc) Utterly Ceased in 101- 105 AD when the Apostle John went to be with the Lord.
I consider Charismaticism to be Wesleyan, as Voodoo Witchcraft, and Heretical.
I am Futurist, Premillennial and Pre Tribulation.
I am 1689 Federalist holding to elements from both Covenant theology and Dispensationalism.
I feel we are in the last, Laodicean, Age.
I am Strictly Complementarian, I consider Egalitarianism to be Heresy! I consider some things (Preaching, Headship) to be only for the Man, and some things (wearing skirts, being silent) to be only for the Woman.
I hold to exclusively male headship, male only readers, male only teachers, male only pastors, male only elders.
I believe women are to be silent in church, and are only to speak if an elder (male only) permits them to as to perform a communion vow or to sing Hymns or Psalmody.
I do not believe in free will, and consider it a repugnant and Papal falsehood, I believe man only has Slave will.
I do not permit Drums, Guitars or other such worldly rock instruments in the Church.
I hold exclusively to Pre 1928 Reformed Hymns and Psalmody. I consider all Post 1928 "worship" to be Romish at best and new age at worst!
I permit a Quiet mechanical Piano or mechanical Organ to guide the tune on Hymns, but Psalmody must be unaccompanied. So "mostly" Regulative.
I consider the "Normative" Principle to be Heresy, and turning church into a Circus!
I Do not permit the raising of hands or other such worldly festival behaviour in Church.
I do permit some occasional family friendly humour when appropriate, I do not Permit Comedy Focus, Harsh Jesting or Profanity of any kind However.
I consider "CRT" to be utterly Satanic, and I am politically conservative by British Standards, but Liberal by American Standards as I am opposed to Guns. I am also utterly opposed to Globalism, the WEF, the WHO, the EU, the UN, etc.
I only accept Christ as King!
I am Zero Tolerance on Progressivism, Homosexuality and all other forms of Sexual Abboration are Abomination, and those who are such are Not to be Permitted to worship unless they repent, leave that lifestyle, and become totally celibate and separate!
I hold to Biblical Separation, and believe the true Reformed Church should not commune with Papacists, Arminians, Wesleyans, Progressives ,Normatives, Continualists, Luthereans (owing to the Damnable Heresy of "conditional security") ,Charismatics, Egalitarians, New Ageists, Judaizers, Seeker Sensitives, or followers of false religions such as Non-Reformed, Apostate (Romish and Wesleyan), Mainstream Anglicanism, the true church should shun all who are not Reformed as unbelievers! Ecumenism is Heresy! However, Reformed Churches, such as the Evangelical Connexion and the Continuing Reformed (both Taking Episcopacy from J.C. Ryle and both Churches I am personally looking at Joining one thereof!) should be encouraged to Commune.
I Believe a Christian should avoid being unequally yoked if at all possible. Try and avoid Theatres and Cinemas.
I Permit Pets, am very Fond of Dogs, and do Believe there will be Animals in Paradise and the New World.
I consider "soul sleep" a Damnable Heresy. I believe that the Sheep will awaken in Paradise immediately after Death, and the Goats, Tragically, will plunge instantly and consciously into Hell.
I consider the Forcing of Old Testament Mosaic Covenant Sabbath Laws unto the Lords Day to be the Damnable Heresy of Judaizing/Galatianism. Same as Forcing Tithes or any other Mosaic Law that was nailed to the Cross.
However I do Hold to the Ten Commandments as Active and Binding, but Christ Himself is our Sabbath, not a Given Day.
I consider Prosperity teaching to be Damnable Heresy, and I distrust mammon deeply.
I Consider Liturgy to be Romish and Time Wasting, the Sermon Should be Focused on the teaching of the Word, and all Sermons must contain Christ without fail. Props are only for Sunday School, and the main Sermon needs only the word.
I hold to the Continental (Dort) model of the Lords Day and the Five Evangelical Feasts, as well as All saints Day.
I consider "Halloween" as New Age, Satanic, and something that has No Place what so ever in the Church, in Church institutions, nor in the life of any Christian.
I Permit Birthdays so long as no Revelry nor Drunkenness is Practised.
I am Credobaptist, but hold to Baptism as only a profession of faith, and an outward symbol of the inner Baptism of the Holy Ghost at the Very Moment of Faith.
I consider Communion to be in memorial only, and something to be taken on every Lords Day. I Believe it to be Acceptable for Children (as Children should be welcomed and Encouraged in Church!) to take it if they are confirmed members of the Church.
I permit Vacations so long as Sinful Activities such as Revelry are abstained from.
I am semi-Iconoclast and do not approve of the worship of images or statues, as I consider Iconodoulism to be Pagan, Romish, and a Second Commandment Violation. I consider them otherwise neutral, as art, and as a Reminder.
Although I do not Personally enjoy Sports (Except Motor Racing, I do Enjoy Motor Racing!), I consider them Permissable, I view Fordiddance as Legalism and as Heresy, However I am of the View that some Sports (Soccer) are only for Men, Some Sports (such as Figure Skating) are only for Women, and some Sports (Motor Racing) are Permissable for both.
I Permit Movies, Video Games, Television, Music, etc, Outside of the Church as a Romans 14 14 matter (for Example, I esteem Forza Horizon as Mostly Clean and Permissable, but NFS Unbound as Every Whit Way Unclean! and to be avoided) based on Conscience regarding Issues such as Violence, Profanity, Crime, other such Unclean Elements, Secular Propaganda, Sex, etc) as my Conscience is Weak I do Forbid the vast Majority of Movies, TV Shows, Music (I consider "Hip Hop" to be especially Satanic and utterly Forbid it for myself) for Myself as Unclean, but not all! I consider a "preacher" imposing a Blanket Forbiddance to be Legalism. However I do not Permit them in the Church, the Church is for the word, not the world!
I more than Permit Special Needs individuals to be Members of the Church, as additional needs are no Barrier to the Immutable, all conquering, Divine, Sovereign, Electing Love of JEHOVAH, I know, being Autistic Myself.
So what sort am I? Traditional Calvinist? new Calvinist? Sovereign Grace Hybrid? It is most confusing.
Answers would be very much appreciated, love and peace.
I would say Sovereign Grace.
Correction: Confessional Reformed Baptist
@@PoliteLeader- On his very popular channel, “Redeemed Zoomer” says that Reformed Baptists are not reformed, that they follow Baptist theology, not Reformed theology. He is a Presbyterian, and his teaching has really clarified some things for me about confessional Reformed theology. He does, however state that Pastor MacArthur is a Nestorian heretic. It really is pretty confusing!
You seem to have it all sussed out, you seem to have all the boxes ticked, is trying to glorify God in everything you do top of your list?
@@chrismachin2166 Yes, it is, I need to Add that, thank you for the reminder Brother.
Even when I play Forza Horizon, I have the License Plate set to Book, Chapter and Verse Numbers, as you never know who could see the plate online, wonder what it means, and come to faith by reading on Google, if it be God's will to his Glory to draw them to Christ and Eternal Salvation.
Love and Peace.
Well, Matt Chandler was healed of brain cancer so that would be convincing of modern miracles although, i don't think he supports someone receiving the "gift" of healing. God bless
That's not a miracle. All miracles are supernatural events, but not all supernatural events are miracles.
Miracles are God working outside His natural laws, providence is God working within His natural laws. Most of what we see today, classed as miracles is divine providence.
@rogervincent2092 When someone has a 5% chance of being healed of cancer and then they are is that not a miracle?
@judithmargret5972 In God's sovereignty I suppose he chose to heal someone if they have the normal odds against them but then made well. Nothing is hard for God and in His eyes I guess nothing is a miracle but to us it would seem miraculous. I've had a brain tumor roll in to a doctor's hands. I mean it could've been way more involved but wasn't. God could've healed me workout a surgery at all but chose that route. When it happens to you it definitely feels really miraculous 🙏
@@rogervincent2092Life is a supernatural event ....
Calvin was not a good man! Very problematic!
Call yourself something else, ditch the name of Calvin.
@lionoffireministries What makes you think that way about Calvin?
@@PoliteLeader Grace to you,
He believes the Arminian propaganda.
Simply... calvinism is a false gospel for a false god. Stay away from people who are accursed.
Calvinism = Doctrines of Grace = Sovereign God = Biblical Truth...people miss the point that the "5 points of Calvinism" were a response to the 5 points of Arminianism...
@@greglp776 Lol, I'm not an Arminian. Also, you just proved calvinism is false by saying it's a man-made response to Arminian points. This is an evil use of the Bible. You'll be better off using the Bible for what it actually says instead of twisting context and word definitions to compete against groups of men.
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@@naturematt4340"what it actually says" is the whole point of the debate.
@@Romans8-9 What it actually says is every, all, world and whoever, but Calvinist change the definitions and add modifiers to words like grace to create their false jesus and false gospel.
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That beard looks like a filter
Does New Calvanisim finally teach THE GOODNEWS of the GOSPEL or does it teach the non-biblical teachings of divine determinism & TULIP!!! If so welcome to actual teachings of Jeshua!
That is a straw man argument. TULIP and the Gospel are not mutually exclusive.
@@Romans8-9 plz show me ONE just ONE vrs that even remotely teaches divine determinism. U CAN'T because there r none!!!! There is is NO GOOD NEWS in scripure if u follow calvinism!!! Also show me ONE just ONE that regeneration precedes faith. Again u CAN'T because there r none!!! My first comment was not a strawman, it was stating Biblical teaching which when it comes to salvation Calvanisim is a false teaching!!!!
@HaroldZwingley yes that is true but how does God save & how was death defeated & how do we become part of His saving grace. Sol all I can say to 2 u is that you don't apparently understand Calvanistic theology just like most ALL of professing Calvanist. Calvanists don't even agree u have 3, 4, & 5 point Calvanists. Then u throw in the Armenians u end up with a mixed bag of salvitic issues.
@@tedtuttle6527 John 6:35-44. Regeneration is "being drawn" and it clearly precedes faith.
@@Romans8-9 u better read 35-36 again they have to believe first BEFORE the father gives them to Jeshua. Like I said before Calvanists r always putting the cart before the horse. Now find me a vrs that Jeshua says I will regenerate u so u may believe without putting the horrible Calvanist isogesis to it instead of exegesis & proper hermeneutics to it. Calvanists NEVER NEVER use context to explain a scripture. They look 4 a scripture to fit their horrible theology when it comes to sslvation!!!
Calvinism corruptly portrays GOD and HIS righteousness. It's utterly unbiblical.
@jtr3190 You're wrong and are falsely accusing me.. The claims of calvinism corruptly portray GOD and HIS righteousness by accusing HIM of being the cause of rape and murder and the pride and kust they both result from and tgat my friend is a corrupt portrayal of GOD and HIS righteousness. Also, although CHRIST has offered salvation to every creature in the whole world in Mark 16 : 15 , calvinist claim that CHRIST didn't atone for all , thus accusing HIM of making an empty offer that HE hss no intention of honoring which also corruptly portrays GOD and HIS righteousness and accuses CHRIST of hypocrisy. These are your claims if you're a consistent calvinist. Do you agree with James White and John Piper?
They both claim that GOD doesn't only allow child rape and torture, but is the very cause of it for HIS purposes to show HIS power for HIS glory of all things. If you dent these horrible blasphemous claims are true, then I would urge you to rethink these blasphemous teachings you've embraced, my friend. The Bible says that pride and lust don't come from GOD and that GOD isn't tempted, nor does HE tempt man , but calvinists have made these claims in error and even though they contradict scripture they hold to them and simply just try to ad hoc rationalize them away . Have you ever stopped to realize that there's not even one biblical passage that explicitly backs up the claims of TULIP except for maybe the P in TULIP , because they're built solely on philosophy of the texts instead of what the texts actually say themselves ?
Calvinism is Gnosticism repackaged: syncretism between Manechian gnostic premises of the human will/cosmology, Pagan asceticism, and pretentious Christianity.
Free will is Epicureanism
@@aletheia8054 not distinctively it isn’t. Unlike Calvo-Augustinianism, the generative ontology that affords free will does not produce the same problems that a dualistic/deterministic ontology does. We are talking about diametrically opposed worldviews altogether, in which these things are mutually exclusive. On the ontological level, you are actually negating these premises entirely, and discrediting them from the ground up; and even if Epicureanism, so to speak, was a valid rebuttal to your point, it still wouldn’t conflict with the biblical ontology. Think on that. And I say that in light of “free will” not being a biblical premise, necessarily, even though moral culpability is explicitly and observationally persistent across the millennia documented in the Scriptures.
@@mresab1997 ...some things happen of necessity (ἀνάγκη), others by chance (τύχη), others through our own agency (παρ’ ἡμᾶς).
...necessity destroys responsibility and chance is inconstant; whereas our own actions are autonomous, and it is to them that praise and blame naturally attach.[8]
….On the evidence we have, however, it seems to me more probable that Epicurus was the originator of the freewill controversy…
In 2000, Susanne Bobzien challenged Pamela Huby's 1967 assertion that Epicurus discovered the "free-will problem".
@@aletheia8054 your idea of free will was the unanimous doctrine of the early church up until the fourth century and Augustine of hippo. Even if what you were saying was pertinent - which it can’t be - you’d be going against everything in the first four centuries of the incipient apostolic faith. You’re going against the whole thing and then still trying to lay claim to Christianity. Obviously that’s not possible.
@@mresab1997 I don’t follow the early church. I follow the Bible and Jesus.
And Free will was not “unanimous in the early church”.
Calvinism is not biblical.
Neither is free will
@@aletheia8054 you chose to reply to this on your own “free will”
John Calvin simply stated what the Bible says.
If consider myself a “New Calvinist” but it’s not the young, restless, and reformed version. Rather it’s a newer form, one that incorporates Molinism into the system as an explanatory backdrop of how God’s Providence (and pre-determinism) works. This undercuts the charges of much of the system and resolves the mystery between human freedom, divine determinism, and moral culpability. One example of how it really helps is in the area of “double predestination”. It may be that God chooses to pass over certain specific individuals and prevent them even the chance to be saved not because he is an evil tyrant but rather because, in the overall global sandbox of salvation, if God were to allow such and such to come to faith, it would lead to an overall less desirable world with less people saved. And so God has made a plan that involved causing some people to come to faith and specific times and specific ways so that and the end of days the most desirable world and the most possible saved (given the conditions God himself required) would come to pass. This is just one such example of where marrying Molinism with Calvinism helps resolve the tension that most people have against the “Old View” of Calvinism.