The Melee Controller Market is Out of Control
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2024
- First of all, I would like to thank you viewers for showing me so much love on my last video.
With the controller discussion coming up in mainstream discourse, I found it to be the perfect timing to release this video. Enjoy (:
Box Controllers:
Smashbox: www.hitboxarcade.com/products...
B0XX: b0xx.com/
Frame 1: frame1.gg
Prism/Schism: wunvzn.com/
Music:
Space Match - Mario Party 5
Corridors of Time - Chrono Trigger
Icicle Mountain - Super Smash Bros Melee
Duelist Group 1 - Yugioh: The Eternal Duelist Soul
Wi-Fi Menu Medley - Mario Kart Wii
Morrigan's Theme - Marvel vs Capcom 3
Flipside Theme - Super Paper Mario
Dr. Bad Boon's Base - Super Monkey Ball 2
Trunk Twister - Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Spencer's Theme - Marvel vs Capcom 3
Main Menu Theme - Starfox 64
An Adventurer - Mario Party 5
Shooting Star Summit - Paper Mario
Space Trip Steps - Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
Character Select VS - Marvel vs Capcom 3
Aquatic Ambience - Donkey Kong Country
We're the Gullwings - Final Fantasy X-2
Phoenix's Theme - Marvel vs Capcom 3
A S T R A L O B S E R V A T O R Y - Marble Pawns (LOZ: Majora's Mask)
X-Naut Fortress - Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Quiet Forest: Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Soaring The Sky (Night): Pokemon: Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire 
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Ngl him saying Dan salvato was just the creator of DDL is crazy 😭 he made project M broooooo
Not gonna lie brother, I completely forgot project m was a game for a sec oops
Bruh
also 20xxTE
Also 20XX Tournament Edition, AND FFZ lol
At least you're not me who associates him with Yoshi's Story before anything else.
The Panda controller’s story is so sad. It was the only one that just seemed like a good video game controller rather than an “optimal melee device”. I hope one day there can be something like it in the future.
What happened to panda in general was so tragic. The smash community can be so stupid sometimes.
@@HarrisonWeber21 Smash community is actually incredibly stupid nearly every time. There are still many players that are banned from competing/existing in the community that no one wants to speak up about literally due to how badly the smash community is correlated to cancel culture. A bunch of sheep and impressionable teenagers that want to follow along with everyone else by virtue signaling on twitter
I want this controller so bad. Not just for melee and smash, but fighting games and all gamepad controllers for PC, gamecube, Switch (and other consoles with adapters).
For me it's more the fact that it's an ideal ass controller casually too. Like it could be used to play anying and everything, probably would have had pressable sticks. It would have just been perfect
Pretty sure panda's collapse was all on panda and not the melee community. They hemmoraged and disbanded from every fighting game. @HarrisonWeber21
when you have all the expensive mods and still lose to the 20yrs old hand me down no shell gcc
the coordinate fuzzing nerf isnt actually applied yet, its just a proposal
It's also not a B0XX nerf it's a proposed rule set for all digital controllers and Hax$ is actually against it
Mans controller died because he didn't cut the fucking cables to the rumble pack 😭
In a perfect world we would have more software mods than hardware ones
Armada is from Gothenberg actually
One thing a lot of videos miss about the Jmook phob breakdown is that Jmook had an older 1.X.X phob. Newer 2.X.X phobs dont have that same issue.
In detail: The 1.X.X models of phobs required more power and had to use the rumble motors 5V power line and on some wiis that power line can stop working temporarily which on an OEM or 2.X.X phob only stops the rumble from working while on an 1.X.X stops the entire controller from working.
For what its worth, enigineers from the Panda controller team are working on the Glyph controller that is a really cool option for those that want a box controller in basically any configuration.
Nintendo had no hand in developing the Panda controller. In fact, I strongly suspect that they contributed to shutting it down, and I have heard other rumors to that effect.
You suspect it but Alan has gone on record multiple times claiming that to be truth
The panda controller was actually doomed from the beginning. 2 days after the kickstarter launched, Nintendo told them to shut it down. Alan said they would have to get actual licensing from Nintendo and planned on doing it and restarting the Kickstarter but still same deal. I think we shot ourselves in the foot by going after Alan and panda.
The fact that they didn't have a license wouldn't have been a problem. There are no laws that require a manufacturer of a controller to get a license it just makes developing and selling it far easier. What would have been a problem is the fact that Nintendo has a patent on the gamecube controller which doesn't expire until August 4th of this year.
@@SirNarax right but they were trying to stay in good favor with Nintendo. Alan talked about it on a podcast a couple of months ago, that podcast was pretty interesting.
@@SirNaraxYou don’t say…
They originally claimed it was supply chain issues
@@nahometesfay1112 Yeah and supposedly that was true but there was far more happening than they told us. Go watch "Dr Alan Reveals EVERYTHING That Happened w/ Panda! | Lights Out Episode 36" and around 48:05 Dr. Alan talks about it.
I'm not a melee player, i semi-regularly play ultimate and used to attend tournaments when i was younger.
The story of Panda's controller, and the group in general is just a tragedy to me. That concept, a controller that was pre-built, officially backed, and designed with more "dedicated" players in mind, was an incredible one. It's really a shame it never came to fruition.
Smash players are terrible at hardmodding controllers. Every time I see soldering jobs for $300+ controllers, there's always way too much solder on one point, way too little, cracked soldering, board and point burning and flux left on the board. This is even a problem for really big modders. I guess its about right for a community that's horribly scared of new controllers to not know how to properly mod them.
Damn..
science fiction
double feature
Doctor X will build a creature
smash and melee, controllers be costing the same as a ps5/xbox
My take: Gamecube controllers are just awful; they are terrible as far as ergonomics goes, and makes it impossible to do certain things consistently. The second we are no longer talking about developing SKILL to pull something off, but simply nerfing clearly superior input methods to match the lack of consistency of a controller that is garbage, we should just admit that these controllers need to go and we should allow these new types of controllers without the majority of these nerfs. Hell, if you want to talk about a barrier to entry, you will spend LESS on one of these box style controllers than you would some modded controllers... and the controllers WILL wear out, and fast.
You say that yet GC controllers are still the standard for almost every smash game since Melee with not that much of a fight. Clearly must've done something right, and this is coming from someone who's fine with anything that's not a standalone Wii Remote.
@@LambdaBelmont , simply because something is accepted, says nothing about it being "right" or desirable or optimal. That would be an appeal to popularity or an appeal to tradition, or some other informal logical fallacy depending on how it is worded.
I get it... I use a fight stick because I enjoy the feel of it, but the difference is with proper technique I can avoid injury. The fact is it is both inferior ergonomically, less consistent, doesn't last as long, and is more expensive than the newer types of controllers. I have nostalgia too since I played the hell out of this game casually when it first came out. Nostalgia is the only benefit I see, so I think we should be honest.
ngl i simply disagree, I've played melee on gcc, Xbox controllers, briefly on b0xx, ps4 controllers, switch pro controllers, and of all of them the face button placement for the gcc works best for my hands personally. I think they're poorly made on a production and material quality level, and need to be held under more scrutiny when possible, but a lot of the raw design aspects i really like. I like the stick heights and placements, I like the L and R triggers vertical feeling over the hinge design of most others, I like the octagon gates around the stick as opposed to circular gates like the Xbox or ps4, there's just a lot i really like about it. I agree with the barrier of entry to some degree, but I think it's so dependent on your history with games that like, no answer is a perfect skill curve for everyone. I grew up with a gamecube, not a pc or hitbox, so learning melee competitively was likely a lot easier for someone like me compared to someone even like, a nintendo fan who skipped the gamecube or wii, even more with someone who's already played on a boxx or on pc where keyboard inputs at least acclimate your hands to that board-style. but yeah, gccs are really poorly built, but I do think their design is almost my perfect controller no joke. Just gimme a ZL button, clickable sticks, and I'm sold for eternity lol
@@LambdaBelmont it's called," we grew up with these things and now they're part of us, for better or worse." it's not a logical argument.
@@LambdaBelmontA lot of ult players use a pro controller. The GCC is just the standard because of the legacy melee has had on the scene and because it was practically the only good controller you could get for two smash games (melee and brawl).
If I remember correctly, in smash 64 you can use almost everything and people have entered with keyboards. I think the same also applies to PM but I'm not 100% sure.
You forgot that zain has played on a regular ass OEM for most of his career if not all
THIS.
at the end of the day, while having a modified controller might be nice and let you do some very particular extra stuff, it is not the limiting factor for 99% of players. buy an official controller from nintendo (which you can still do) and git gud.
the only real exception to this is those who need the ergonomics of something like a box or a prism due to hand issues, which is the very reason hax set out to make the B0XX in the first place.
that's not true LMAO
@@bruceU besides snapback mod it is true
I have a friend who plays on keyboard, like an actual keyboard, a Razer Huntsman Mini. She uses an adapter to play on console. She also took a game off of Hungrybox in the Puff ditto in person.
I still really want the panda controller. I hope someone buys the patents or someone steps up and makes something similar, the demand is obviously there and the fact that they were gonna add even more features like a diamond button layout....in a perfect world we'd have it in our hands by now....
notching is still controversial. you also dont NEED notches to win a major (zain). zain just made a really long tweet about it
Don't worry redditors in bronze 2 on slippi ranked will still say the game is impossible to play without shield drop and firefox notches and $400 worth of other controller mods.
It's not that there needed. They just help alot.
Ok but he plays Marth not Fox
One top player saying they don't like notches doesn't make it "still controversial." Every tournament accepts them, and a ton of players use them. They're 100% accepted save for the yearly controller discourse that happens in the community.
If you play fox they are basically needed
was daunted by the length of the vid but this is super informative and entertaining. me and my friends casually enjoyed competitive melee in HS. i moved to 2d fighters so was curious how their hitbox-esque controllers fared to how the FGC received the hitbox and its clones. great vid
Low key, if the smashstick actually came out like 7-8 years ago. It probably would have been exploded in popularity and competing with phobs. People really like stick controllers while boxx are always going to be niche. Heck the smashstick had stuff that phobs had years before phob became a thing.
low key, if the smash stick actually came out, I'd finally be happy my $500 actually got me something. This is the best any of us backers can really hope for anymore :P
Melee's controller situation has gotten a good deal of criticism for being "pay to win" but I'll be honest, I find the further and further advancement of controllers super fascinating to witness. At a local I went to recently, I chatted with a local controller modder and the level of technical know-how some of these people have is absolutely astounding. The guy had installed a screen into the side of his Wii so he could check the controller input polling or control stick angles (I'll be honest, I'm not 100% sure what it was for, it's been a minute since I saw it and I was talking with him about a lot of stuff beyond that). And witnessing the technical arms race of gamecube controller and box controllers has been kind of fun to watch once you just let go of all the accusations coming from people about "cheater controllers." It is genuinely a shame that the range of $60-ish controllers for people to start out on is quite literally non-existant, anyone looking to buy a controller these days is pretty much looking for 10 year old controllers from back when smash 4 was reproducing the controller, or something highly customized to the point that they're essentially designer 3rd-party controllers. I don't know if pay-to-win is 100% the correct term to use, it's not like professional athletes are playing with cheap equipment like tennis rackets, bats, balls, bowling balls, shoes, etc, it's not an entirely inaccurate statement to make if a new player is just trying to play some games on slippi and is looking to move away from using some x-input controller they've been gaming on pc with.
I've been using a xbox pro controller (x-input) into slippi for years. Also the controller input screen is a gimmick you can use to see your opponent's inputs during the game. It allows you to know the exact angle of a fox/falco Up-B for example, among other ways you can glance at their inputs to take advantage of a situation.
Last I check they are still making GameCube controllers, though they are a little different.
I started playing melee with an X box one controller and Z jumping lol
I didn't even know about any Z jumping discourse, I just liked that button layout from Ultimate
It really is pay to win tho. Only at top level tho because your less likely to miss inputs. I can’t wait for the day when we can play games with just our mind it will be amazing and then it will be really boring/ and or new top players will come in and old top players will leave dude to the fact that their are players who have bigger brains but not good on the sticks and games in general unless it’s an rpg prioritized who better on sticks over big brain moves
I’m pretty sure part of the reason the goomwave dropped off because there was multiple people, all approved as goomwave modders who started to have beef with each-other, with different people claiming stuff like they were the real ‘official’ goomwave modder, the best one, or better than specific other modders, and people got confused by or scared off from the situation.
Also people got tired of having to buy a well made but expensive controller that required regular maintenance since it would still develop pode.
Also, the phob was coming out, so it was pretty much better since the magnet sensors don’t have potentiometers, so pode isn’t an issue. And since it was open source there’s less ‘official modder’ drama, you can get whatever decent modder (who knows what they’re doing) to make you one, and it’s cheaper if you have access to and can use a soldering iron
I think one of the reasons boxx style controllers are not more common is because basically all of them become instantly sold out. It's actually really hard to get them. In fact even right now your options is usually wait months for a controllers. Though in the last two years there was like 3 good options but now there are like 8 good options so the scariccity of controllers are slightly less of a issue. It's still super expensive and hard to get.
They're not more common because they sold out??? That's a weird way to put it, you might put more emphasis on the lack of production rather than the extremely successful sales rate
Considering the quality of this vid your sub count is super low. Liked and subbed, this was a super fun watch and hope you keep making more awesome content!
47:30 the reason why Alan talked
to tos about smash world tour getting shut down by Nintendo, was because swt was trying to get a license from Nintendo in a timeframe of a few months and had sponsorships lined up for it, which took panda years he knew that would never work so in context Alan was just given tos a heads up, not really that shady in my eyes
him doing in a vacuum might not be shady, but the way he went about it was. poor execution sunk the ship.
Basically all major TO's have huge egos and Alan managed to anger some of them, so when SWT could not get a license and likely causing them to lose sponserships with this he ambugies legality of it gimer decided to spend his decade+ of good will and political capital to ruin panda cup, i guess as a act of revenge.
Just the Idea that panda global has some or any control of a multi billion dollar company is just absurdity and the hate hinged on this being the case.
So now there are no leagues for smash, any hope of a governing body formed ruined, and one of the biggest organizations contributing and subsizing smash, that included a major news and content channels for smash, is defacto dead. No one wins yay!
@@AL-lh2ht nah, you’re pretty wrong on this take. most major TOs don’t have “huge egos,” they’re just trying their hardest to make the best events they can, which is both incredibly difficult and stressful to pull off. they’re fallible humans, and when their literal life’s work is threatened by some guy who deceitfully appears to be pulling some strings somewhere they got justifiably pretty scared. and a panda cup/nintendo affiliated league would have not been good for melee. grassroots ftw. it’s better this way.
granted it’s a shame that panda as a whole had to die. but they went the way of icarus. too close to the sun.
@@dropandy1453this is probably the most accurate representation from the discourse I've read online, i think a lot of the melee community is super weird for trying to build a villain out of either alan/panda or the TOs, like it was ultimately poor communication and consistency on panda's side with both Nintendo and the community at large, but even then it's not like they weren't coming from a place of well-meaning. Just seems like missteps and a couple assumptions about the public perception of the events led to pandas downfall as a company.
@@NATE-bz7mx yeah that’s cause i know a few of those TO boogeymen that people like to claim have “huge egos” without ever having talked to them once. people seem to like having a “side” or “good and bad guys” cause it makes things simple to think about.
damn i just woke up and saw this, good video
Does anyone else think this video was just an excuse to talk drama and specifically about hax?
Haven’t watched it yet but judging by the fact he private his previous video where he sucked Leffen off, I wouldn’t put it past him
Damn son I would have taken the rumble motor out of it to avoid playing with a vibrator and save some of its durability
Couldn't you just remove the rumble motor from that controller?
There's something so deeply satisfying about making and modding your own gamecube controller.
57:51 what the heck was that shield break LMAO
This video was really awesome as a hustory of controllers. It was really informative and well presented!
I know this is an hour long video, but as someone who followed through a lot of the smashbox controversy and has done controller research, this is actually quite succinct. I learned quite a few things i didnt know as well. Big props, this is very helpful for anyone looking to seriously navigate through this market right now.
“PXSSY FACING DA WORLD”😂
The first Arduino install was done by Mike Lau from the infamous Tuk House in Washington State. Oh video is still on the tuk RUclips iirc
also the inventor of the quad-stream. For many years post the inception we were often speaking of if one person or another was in fact "dweened" out of their mind
Can’t wait to watch twin
Does anyone know if the Prism or The Schism is useable for 2d fighters like Guilty Gear Strive? I've thought about trying all button controllers but Id only wanna try a controller that allows you not to have your hands be flat for ergonomic purposes.
if youre playing on pc, those controllers can be used and remapped like any standard controller and would definitely work for strive. Playing on a playstation or xbox wouldn’t work without having an additional controller board, though they can work on switch without any additional modifications
@@emersonarthur3776 Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I shoudlve specified that I'd want something that would work on PS5, PS4 and PC. For tourney purposes. Shame that platform compatibility is yet another barrier to finding the controller best for you.
loved the mario party 5 ost throughout this vid :)
58:50 not fun 2 lose knowing your opponent has a pay 2 win unfair advantage
I have been playing on a white OEM since 2019 and I really want to try a phob. Just can't justify spending that much on a controller when I still have alot to learn about the game in general.
you can give a modder your controller and have them install the phob motherboard on it. was ~$60 for me
@@DrewDone my reply was seemingly deleted, hopefully that doesn't happen again. I went to CfanCustoms, who is in the san jose area, and by the looks of his twitter his conversions are now $85. not sure about anything in socal tho, sorry.
@@dropandy1453 do you have the melee discord? Maybe we can meet up in there to talk about it.
@@DrewDone if this one works, I went to CfanCustoms, from the SJ area. he's doing $85 conversions now, which is a little more expensive but imo worth it if you're willing and able to make the drive to norcal.
@@dropandy1453 gotcha broski
The sdi/lockout nerfs were available on the first public boxx firmware, and the input fuzzing stuff hasnt been public outside of non boxx related test initatives
I really would love to see a modern day tournament where everyone has to use fresh out of box game Cube controls only no mods. And don’t say it’s too expensive because we all know people paying hundreds of dollars for these mod controllers.
The issue is that even for OEM controllers players need to have enough time to practice on that hardware so that it feels natural to use. going from one OEM to another feels VERY different to high andd top level players
you'll still run into problems where certain Gc controllers are better than others.
1:33 bruh 💀💀💀
Can we (me) get links to the videos mentioned here in the description? I wouldn't mind watching through a playlist of all of them. I just lose track of their title after watching.
The thing that sucks the most of the Prism/Schism is just how absurd the price is. it's by far the most expensive control for smash and even more expensive then maxed out phobs.
Do you have a discord to interact with?
Dog when he hit that jam from Yu-Gi-Oh EDS I lost it.
That prism controller looks sick! I thought it looked cooky then saw it in someone's lap and it looked natural
those closing comments from mango warm my heart. the melee spirit is bunch of people having friendlies in a garage :)
I feel like the wave dash values should be based on timing instead of randomized. If you want that perfect wave dash length you have to hit the buttons at a frame perfect timing, otherwise you'll get a weakened angle. I feel like this would also allow players to adjust their timing for mixups and gain more analog range in the digital input.
I have never played melee competitively but I've been watching for years. I never knew it was this bad until I had to get just a normal Gc controller. The amazon ones are insanely cheap but break after 1 week. I bought a few random controllers and I found the Retro Fighter BattlerGC. I ordered it and had to wait over a year to get it. It randomly showed up one day. I tried to use it only to find the left stick had inverted controls. They ignored me when I asked for a swap or refund. I ended up finding an original orange one for 10$ at a garage sell, plus a silver one from a highschool friend who did play competitive melee. The stick was all messed up but I can fix that eventually
"My brother in Christ, he's using Fox" this had me literally laugh out loud
I literally have to super glue my magnets on all my phobs cuz all my 1.0s break either from paracord or the magnet sensors break off. Dont get me started on Phob software updates...
Why you didn't just cut the rumble out of the controller? i do that with every controller because i like how it feels lighter
One day when there’s actual rules again and they ban all this stuff I’ll come back to competing/playing on a standard gcc… or so i hope.
bro this is some F1 level of RnD and maintenance dedication. why is melee still looked down on as a esport!?!?!?
great video gabe
guys what if the goomwave was called 'goonwave'?
Im not really sure why this popped up on my home page, but the Prism controllers seem like something id want to try out in the future.
I think people like em cause the shape, but i dont play melee, so i have no knowledge as to what there technical differences over regular or box controllers are.
Maybe i should design a controller in the shape of a sphere.
I could sell them in packs of two called balls.
0:56 i literally just bought that controller a couple days before watching this video LOL
The goom is banned at certain majors(since I own one) and phobs are cheap as long as you get a drop in phob
Hey guys Im just getting into melee, what are my options for finding 2 controllers?
its never went through a period of revolution i wouldnt say its out of control just finally fully realizing what it can be
Hey I think this is a great video, but I have 1 small criticism, and that is that it seems like you didn't review your script before doing VO. I noticed some factual errors and awkward wording, some of which you noticed and corrected while in the editing process, but I would recommend editing your script a bit earlier on in the process when you're doing this video essay style content. Ideally your script would be able to stand alone as a normal paper essay so I'd just recommend reading through it a few times and maybe even getting a friend to read it, see if there's anything that stands out as incorrect or unnecessary. Clearly a great deal of effort and research was poured into this video and it's a very comprehensive history, I love how it's laid out, I think the one extra pass of polish will take you so far and I'm excited to see more from you!
If like to add something in defense of Alan of Panda. He did several interviews and released a statement that gave his side of the story. He said that he knew SWT was struggling to get a license so he was advising that if they didn’t want to potentially get shut down by Nintendo, getting Nintendo approved would be the safest path. No one knew what Nintendo would do and how strict they would be with their new licenses so it was smart to tell TOs about the danger. Also he left the company to separate the hate being targeted towards him form the company as not only that would potentially allow for its survival, but also because he and several of the employees, including the players, got doxxed.
I recommend reading his statement and listening to his interview yourself but I really disagree the idea that he was to blame for SWT getting shut down. A random esports guy is not ordering around goddamn Nintendo.
I mean the move to step away was definitely the right idea probably for the right reasons and he wouldn't have been able to influence Nintendo much but I feel like he and you both are seriously underselling the impact he had on TOs, especially when Nintendo's decisions during that time were under such strong scrutiny by the community and they very possibly might have reverted their decision to shut down SWT
27:56 you know it smells crazy in there
I just dont know what controller to use man. I use a xbox one yet im judged for not paying like 50 bucks for a controller without the adapter.
controller software macros are explicitly banned in traditional fighting games too if it leads to illegal inputs like multiple button presses on one button, the in game macros are a completely different matter and are mre comparable to how everything in the controller remapping in something like P+ would be legal, external combinations and modifications are not allowed.
Not me seeing this after just dropping absolute $$$ on a phob.
the prism, the schism, the tism
As a very casual smash content enjoyer, I'm sad Smash Summit is gone mostly because of BTS, those were some of the most fun side events ever hosted. Speaking of being a very casual smash content watcher: no clue how I got here but I enjoy the vid very much
glad to make the 1 second cameo lol
What can I say I’m a fan sir
@@JuicemanSSBM appreciate it dawg! Stoked to have made the cut 😍 great vid dawg
aren't goomwaves banned?
Nasb 1 jumpscare
Amazing video.
You should check out the GC ultimate, I think that’s the next big controller
The melee scene should make an open source clone of melee that has all the nintendo IP removed. This way people can implement not only the controller fixes, but also online play without having to deal with copyright BS.
Nintendo may have built the pitch, but they shouldn't own the game.
Learn to shield drop in vanilla melee with a standard controller
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you'll be able to shield drop in any game with any controller
We need a ucf patch this shit has been out of hand for years and it's only gonna get worse without a software solution
i knew my 10 year old self using keyboard on dolphin was on to something
29:48
Hax Money the Arduino Master is a crazy title
The input fuzzing / rng on input isn't really implemented on any boxx people actually use. for good reason haha
Where did you do your research that caused you to believe Nintendo worked on the Panda Controller?
Asking so I don’t use those resources.
I have a BOXX, play as kirby on SSBU, FUN AS FUCK
NASB Sweep! 😇
melee juice orca is coming
Modded controllers and hitbox shouldn't be allowed in smash tournaments.
Just deal with using a standard controller like everyone else.
Also it'd be funny seeing people upset over spending hundreds of money to mod controllers they can't use.
standard controllers are crap.
More of a vanilla smash girl here lol but you explain things really well. Great vid!
"Out of control"
Man wait until you see how many unique controlledrs the normal fgc allows and uses...
Losing all of nintendos support sounds like losing something you never had
The way you went about the panda cup story should have been done in a more neutral way. You went out of your way to say allegedly and then accused him of doing things for personal gain which makes saying allegedly earlier completely pointless. The general consensus of the community at the time of the controversy was colored by a lot of strong emotions for obvious reasons so I feel like when you look back at the facts and statements said at the time when it all went down you get a much more reasonable view of the situation. In my opinion Panda's CEO could have done things better, but it really wasn't as bad as everyone seemed to think at the time. It's really not obvious if it was just him being bad at optics or if it was malicious.
Either way he shouldn't have done any of that as a CEO, so him getting ousted was pretty much a given lol
o7 for smash summit
yea
Bro why didn't you just turn rumble off for your name from the game settings on each setup you played on? lmao
still waiting for non-nintendo related controllers like the PS and Xbox controllers, to be used in the game.
legalize tilt stick
Learn to tilt your control stick lol
@@ARICLOUDED upload yourself doing 3 pivot up tilts in a row then a pivot down tilt
@windwalker9800 pivots have nothing to do with tilt stick, not to mention why tf are you taking all that extra energy to learn pivots when wavedashing does the exact same thing and is way more consistent?
@@ARICLOUDED yeaaaaa u have no idea what ur talking abt LMAO
@windwalker9800 I've been playing melee since I was a kid and have been playing compitively for 12 years, you can try to invalidate my point by saying I'm inexperienced but you're gonna look dumb as hell..
Ever heard the saying limitations breed creativity? Your gameplan is obviously too focused on pivots if youre complaining about not having tilt stick. You're not supposed to have tilt stick, and adding it will cause nintendo to rain hellfire. It spits in the face of what melee is, and it would literally kill the game if we tried to implement in a tournament setting
Obviously the answer is requiring everyone to switch to keyboard. no hardware dependencies there.