They would also need a money printer in the basement to subsidize this endeavor. There is no way they can manufacture this for 20k in Europe at break even.
@@huckleberryfinn6578 Then make them in China and sell them in EU for 20000 instead of 15000 in China. The point is this car costs from 45000 euros upwards in Europe, and 15000 euros in China. It's 3x more expensive in Germany.
Glad I (accidentally) found your channel, I was looking for an English-speaking channel /w insight into the Chinese car market for some time now. The difference really comes from the *massive* improvement in the underlying so-called ICAS3GP hardware (8-core vs. 2/2-core ARM chip, 50% more RAM, double the mass storage), with raw CPU speed of 4.4x vs. the older ICAS3. What I find quite interesting: while the general UI _layout_ is quite similar between Chinese and Euro-spec models, the actual _look_ is vastly different (and no, I don't mean the obvious differences from writing systems). Btw., 2024/25 model year Euro-spec models with the new infotainment already have ChatGPT integration. The base model - which, from the performance specs, this appears to be - has a list price of ca. 33k€ in Germany atm., including a bonus from VW (without any extras like IQ.Light, though). This is me guesstimating, but when adjusting for PPP, differences in avg./median income etc. between Europe and China, the price disparity is likely far less than the absolute numbers suggest.
High energy costs, high social welfare for workers, high taxes, and lack of unified EU law (each member state has separate legal systems adding to complexity of functioning within the EU) result in expensive manufacturing and distribution. China, unlike the EU, allows you to establish a company in one city - such as Shanghai - and sell your products or services across the entire country. This enables rapid company growth and the achievement of economies of scale, further reducing costs.
@@Tom_Mroz The EU is an economic and monetary union. So, if you set up your shop in, say, Brussels, you can sell your sprouts all over the EMU member states. A much bigger "issue" than different local regulations - which only mildly apply to car manufacturing (for instance, the various electrical/electronic subsystems are designed to be configurable to comply with local regs), are much stricter labor, consumer, environmental etc. laws.
As a German I was quiet worried about Chinese competition for our main brands and thought we could only compete in luxury. This video shows different. Very nice.
@@ZuLangable cars built in Germany with German Gewerkschaften are much more expensive than a car built in China, with close to 0 worker's rights. Not just for VW production. Why exactly are we acting surprised? Do you want VWs to be built in China and shipped here? Then just say so. I'm sure the millions of people in Germany working for a car brand or parts manufacturer will applaud you when they're losing their jobs :)
@@alfrredd yup. material costs are more expensive too. basically: everything is much, much more expensive in Germany for employers. employees expect more from their employers in terms of benefits. we have higher income tax as well. but overall the biggest factor are the trade unions (Gewerkschaften) who fight for these higher standards and especially high salaries for all of the employees. Working for a car manufacturer is a highly respected job here in Germany because you make lots of $$$ and are seen as highly skilled. Workers are pretty happy, the products are high quality. Just super expensive. One of Germany's worst factors is the IT sector. So we're really bad at software. Which is very important nowadays for cars, not just EVs.
@@tren133 I read that the Chinese EV market is more important than EU even for giants like VAG. These laws will hurt both consumers and the car makers since china will put tariffs in exchange. These laws are 100 political bullshit to keep china at bay since the west are afraid of their economic power.
This seems to be a China specific version of the newest ID Software that we also get in Europe. I was recently able to try it in the ID.7 and I was also positively impressed. Software is no longer something I would have reservations on when buying a new ID model.
@@jeanbaptistelabelle I'm sure it's at least based on some kind of Linux distribution like basically every infotainment these days but I don't know if it's Android. I'm not aware they can run Android apps
Do you think that VW will now sell more cars again with better software? It's always interesting to see the regional differences between the same vehicles. In Europe, we would be more than happy to buy a car like this for €30,000 if we could
To stay relevant, yes. But that won't hold long: sales are declining, and the price simply can't go any lower. They really need to get the facelift in order to see any sort of growth.
I'd consider VW not for its software, but rather if there was a tech-dieted option and much smaller and diversified electric cars like the eUP! or an EV Polo, Caddy, etc.
@@theolich4384to be honest, that's a rather pretentious way to see it. Software and a facelift does not change the fact that it's a very large and heavy (steel) car.
VW already sells incredibly well in Europe. We already have the facelifted ID3 which has new hardware and software. I mean were talking about 3 different versions here, 2 of them good, 1 of them not. The bad one is the old one. The one in this video seems China specific, the facelifted ID3s in Europe also have a different new software which is also pretty good. That said, I drive a 2023 Skoda Octavia with the old software and it runs fine for me. never had any issues with stability or android auto connection, both wireless and wired. Tho I do use wired for longer trips because it doesnt cool the phone while wireless charging, so itll overheat after roughly 40minutes and stop charging.
@@sephiroth4041 maybe.. but I’m country.. 60% of electric cars are IDs. 30% BYD ..and 5% German brand and 5% Chinese off brand.. so my chances of spare parts and a tech to fix or update are better than anyone else in my country.
@@kenso888 VW only bought a small 5% stake in Xpeng, which doesn't even get VW access to Xpeng's latest SEPA platform. However perhaps VW will seek Xpeng's help on the software side. Problem is while Xpeng certainly can do Chinese infotainment software 100x better than VW, that's not necessarily the case with making infotainment stack for European/western markets. Xpeng's own infotainment software in the cars they export to Europe is certainly not as good as what they have in their chinese domestic market cars.
@@eclockren7144don't know about that. GM is selling all that data away and the US government doesn't seem to care. Europe, on the other hand, has stricter consumer protection laws
Isn’t this the same infotainment system that already ships in ID.7, ID.3 GTX and facelift versions of ID.4 and ID.5? It’s indeed a big improvement. Too bad the first ID.3 facelift didn’t get it.
Many thanks from Japan. Truly wish we had journalists like you who are bold enough to mercilessly rant on crap ICE cars here. China is winning not only in auto but in journalism (politics aside). BTW, I'm betting on Xpeng-VW alliance to bring massive rewards to their investors.
China just granted visa-free access for Japanese citizens. Hope you can come over and see all the insane EVs we have over here. I took a few cab rides today and all of them are EVs. Much less noisy and much smoother than combustion engines.
I remember your original video about the ID.3, haha. Good pricing and decent software improvements. Luckily, the software seems to be much more modern; hardware has always been good. Thanks for the update!
The same version of the software i think is on the passat pro. Do you think that software can be put into cars for other markets, of course with the required adaptations?
BYD Dolphin, BYD Yuan Plus (Atto3, the price overlaps with the ID.3 in its native market), BYD Yuan Up, Wuling Bingo, Wuling Bingo Plus, Wuling Cloud (soon available globally as the MG Cloud if memory serves), MG4, GAC Aion Y, Aion S, Ora Cat, Something something from Geely, Changan and Chery I can't remember (Chery iCar03?). The top trim ID.3 also faces competition with the Zeekr X and a ton of other more premium sedans and hatchbacks. Even the ID.4, now starting at ¥139,800 ($19,000, about the same as the top trim ID.3), is some sort of a competitor. I also excluded many dozens of PHEVs in the price range like the hugely popular BYD Qin L.
Chinese gov give grants for EV’s. Plus all the stuff surrounding the car, overheads, sales network, the costs will be lower in China vs Europe. You can’t pay a German carsales man the same salary and commission as his/her counterpart in China etc. All of this gets reflected in the final sales price, even if the nominal cost of making the car might be the same.
No, the Xpeng software is way better than this. This is just catching up with the baseline, the minimum level of Chinese smart EVs. Xpeng's is like Apple's iOS and VW's is like blackberry-ish. For example, XPeng's software can use voice to control everything on the screen without touching it and adjust the wind direction of the AC, the AI can tell what's the brand of the other car on the road, what river you just passed by, and drive autonomously door-to-door under the driver's supervision.
Xpeng software might be decent (still annoying because touch only and no, voice does not compensate for it) but most other chinese brands have poor software really. I tested the Zeekr 001 last week and that infotainment was anything but good. Byd also did not impress me at all and MG? Well... that is just shit.
@@eclockren7144 Nobody cares about software. I'd buy a car that doesn't even have a screen in it if I could. We care about how good the car is, and VW's are better cars than any competition in China for remotely similar cost.
About 1/4th of that in poorest EU countries, but that's beside the point. Just because a country is rich, doesn't mean the SAME PRODUCT should cost more. An Iphone costs the same in Switzerland as it does in Rwanda, despite Switzerland being like 80 times richer.
@@derbigpr500 1/4 of poorest EU countries? Bulgaria's GDP per capita is only $1000 higher than that China. You are saying people in Bulgaria make 4 times more of Chinese people? 🤣🤣
Income below 5000 RMB is not subject to personal income tax in China. On average, it's around $1000, but there's also a big gap within China, basically the difference between the poorest and richest countries in Europe.
I own China spec Zeekr X outside of china and was always wondering why would i need weather forcast as opposed to the actual temperature reading from outside... it seems that cars in Chinese market all have that feature but I am not sure why. Could you please explain why such feature is desired in Chinese car market? Thabk you!
Just my personal feeling, weather changes a lot especially when you drive cross region in China. So it might relevant to driving. But temperature won't be too much different as long as you don't cross the country.
Your car adds to another screen as another source of information. For example when you are driving, you wonder what is the weather in your destination, with build in software to the car, you can ask the car what is the weather in your destination. Furthermore, car companies now is gradually adding features like ordering take out in your car. I give you my example, after a hard working day, I dont want to go to eat outside, I would like to eat at home but no one is at home cooking. On my way home, I can order my favorite take out via the car by build-in take out App. When I arrive home, my food also arrives. Some say why dont you just call, well, things work differently in China, we dont have the conventianal calling system for take out. Or for eaxmple if you have of one of these smart home, that you can control your AC from your car, when you are home, the tempeture is just right and you dont have to run it whole day to save energy. So eventually, cars are not just a tool that only moves you from point A to B, but it also serves as a smart assistant.
You must not forget that these cars would be at least VAT worth more expensive if imported to Europe. In some countries you also need to add additional taxes, not to mention new EU tariffs and import costs. With just VAT and shipping+import costs it would be at least 20k€ + dealer margins. Still too cheap though 😂
We believe that this new software is made by SAIC. VW is cooperating with Xpeng so in 2026 VW could make good software as well, with the help of Xpeng.
Nope doesn't sell well here in that compact segment/class of vehicles. Vw would be lucky even under 30k to move 50k unit's a year. Ala bolt and bolt euv kinda numbers. The entire compact segment across all brands and models available does just 800,000-1,000,000 units In total! Small ice cars to be profitable need 250,000+unit's of volume generally speaking. Small evs likely need even MORE. 😀
It's sad we're at a stage now where the most relevant thing to people is FREAKING SOFTWARE in a car. Who cares, who gives a damn? Cars shouldn't even have screens in them. I'd forbid screens that show anything but basic technical information or sat-nav in cars. In fact I'd make it so that screens can't even be retracted out of the dash when the car isn't stationary or using a sat nav. It's idiocy overloaded. Companies are able to make worse and worse CARS and get away with it by putting in bigger and bigger screens with more flashy software which grabs the clueless people's attention and makes them forget the car they're driving is objectively worse than the one they bought 5 years ago. It's a CAR, not a smartphone or a tablet. What kind of a screen it has inside and what kind of software shouldn't even be in top 100 on the priority list of things that are important in a car. But then again, I don't expect an average person to understand what us car guys and real drivers say to them.
hat is the real reason why chinese EVs are do inexpensive? Is there any VAT, incentives to consumer/manufacturer etc? Have not heard a good explination yet ehy we pay 2-3x the price in Europe 🤔
3:32 you call this "responsive"? its less than 30 fps shit. VW cars look OK on paper.. but in reality.. my vocabulary is not rich enough for swear words
Volkswagen isnt appreciating its customers who are paying too much for a low quality car. They are also dishonest abouth problems. I feel sorry for its employees who will loose their jobs thanks to a failing management.
"Volkswagen being Volkswagen", what does that mean? So far VW is famous for poor engineering and craftmanship, cheap materials and terrible service. Oh, and lying, of course.
I was actually admiring your knowledge and videos until I saw this crap about ID3. The platform it is based on is outdated - totally. And it has got NMC batteries, which are dangerous!! VW has huge problems developing not only plafforms, but also the software as you clearly point of. Everything that works on this ID3 they had to buy in China. And VW is actually "giving away" this car in China, losing lot's of money. Which they already does on the European models. Did you get paid by VW for this video? Excuse me, but that is the only reason why you could have made this.
If VW sold this car in Europe, even for 20 000 Euro, it would need to build 3 gigafactories to keep up with demand.
It would need 3 gigafactories to even get at that price :)
@@Astkein China you can use slaves. In Europe you can’t. Simple as that
They would also need a money printer in the basement to subsidize this endeavor. There is no way they can manufacture this for 20k in Europe at break even.
@@huckleberryfinn6578 Then make them in China and sell them in EU for 20000 instead of 15000 in China. The point is this car costs from 45000 euros upwards in Europe, and 15000 euros in China. It's 3x more expensive in Germany.
@@derbigpr500 lobby is too strong. EU is extremely corrupted nowdays. Having business with Russia did not serve well for them
Glad I (accidentally) found your channel, I was looking for an English-speaking channel /w insight into the Chinese car market for some time now.
The difference really comes from the *massive* improvement in the underlying so-called ICAS3GP hardware (8-core vs. 2/2-core ARM chip, 50% more RAM, double the mass storage), with raw CPU speed of 4.4x vs. the older ICAS3.
What I find quite interesting: while the general UI _layout_ is quite similar between Chinese and Euro-spec models, the actual _look_ is vastly different (and no, I don't mean the obvious differences from writing systems). Btw., 2024/25 model year Euro-spec models with the new infotainment already have ChatGPT integration.
The base model - which, from the performance specs, this appears to be - has a list price of ca. 33k€ in Germany atm., including a bonus from VW (without any extras like IQ.Light, though). This is me guesstimating, but when adjusting for PPP, differences in avg./median income etc. between Europe and China, the price disparity is likely far less than the absolute numbers suggest.
Its insane how expensive cars are in europe
Because we have fucking braindead "leaders"
Profit Profit Profit Profit Profit Profit Profit and INFLATION
greedy governments
And VW is a German company.
And on top of that, the European ID.3 won't have this software either, since it is localized to China only.
Ridiculous why we can't get anything for good value in Europe
It should be determined by your current economic structure
High energy costs, high social welfare for workers, high taxes, and lack of unified EU law (each member state has separate legal systems adding to complexity of functioning within the EU) result in expensive manufacturing and distribution.
China, unlike the EU, allows you to establish a company in one city - such as Shanghai - and sell your products or services across the entire country. This enables rapid company growth and the achievement of economies of scale, further reducing costs.
@@Tom_Mroz The EU is an economic and monetary union. So, if you set up your shop in, say, Brussels, you can sell your sprouts all over the EMU member states. A much bigger "issue" than different local regulations - which only mildly apply to car manufacturing (for instance, the various electrical/electronic subsystems are designed to be configurable to comply with local regs), are much stricter labor, consumer, environmental etc. laws.
You can't compare prices one-for-one between different economies. At the bare minimum, consider the differences in PPP avg./median income.
Uhm people also earn more money.... making operations also more expensive.
As a German I was quiet worried about Chinese competition for our main brands and thought we could only compete in luxury. This video shows different. Very nice.
As a German I am quiet worried that I have to subsidies VW sales in China. This car cost more than 36k€ in Germany. Very sad.
@@ZuLangable cars built in Germany with German Gewerkschaften are much more expensive than a car built in China, with close to 0 worker's rights. Not just for VW production. Why exactly are we acting surprised? Do you want VWs to be built in China and shipped here? Then just say so. I'm sure the millions of people in Germany working for a car brand or parts manufacturer will applaud you when they're losing their jobs :)
@@ResQ2 so "workers' rights" make every car 25 000 Euro more expensive??? seriously?
@@alfrredd yup. material costs are more expensive too. basically: everything is much, much more expensive in Germany for employers. employees expect more from their employers in terms of benefits. we have higher income tax as well. but overall the biggest factor are the trade unions (Gewerkschaften) who fight for these higher standards and especially high salaries for all of the employees.
Working for a car manufacturer is a highly respected job here in Germany because you make lots of $$$ and are seen as highly skilled. Workers are pretty happy, the products are high quality. Just super expensive.
One of Germany's worst factors is the IT sector. So we're really bad at software. Which is very important nowadays for cars, not just EVs.
And I‘m still worried because this is only bought software!
Telescope review is great, this guy is nailing it
He is a bit too biased though, and does not understand why things cost more in europe 😅 just bashes on the continent instead.
I might aswell buy one in china and drive to Sweden and it would be half price compared to here wtf
I am afraid for Europe, internal crisis plus loss in leadership of manufacturing will be death blow for europe and its going to happen in 10 years.
A proper COC paper will be a tough nut to crack
Now you understand why the US is slapping 100% tariffs on Chinese cars and the EU is looking to follow.
a EU VW dealer did this for a bunch of id cars and VW weren't happy with them
@@tren133 I read that the Chinese EV market is more important than EU even for giants like VAG. These laws will hurt both consumers and the car makers since china will put tariffs in exchange. These laws are 100 political bullshit to keep china at bay since the west are afraid of their economic power.
Everybody wonder why EVs doesn’t sell in Europe, it’s simply the Price. The same car cost about 40K in Europe.
This seems to be a China specific version of the newest ID Software that we also get in Europe. I was recently able to try it in the ID.7 and I was also positively impressed. Software is no longer something I would have reservations on when buying a new ID model.
Is it not a software based on Android? Not Android Automotive but really Android like many Chinese EV brands?
@@jeanbaptistelabelle I'm sure it's at least based on some kind of Linux distribution like basically every infotainment these days but I don't know if it's Android. I'm not aware they can run Android apps
VW's batteries seem insanely good, a friend sold their eGolf and it got a SOH rating of 98% after 68.000 km and 6 years of age.
@@DooMMasteR VW does not have VW batteries. . . .the batteries are Chinese, and so is the car.
Do you think that VW will now sell more cars again with better software?
It's always interesting to see the regional differences between the same vehicles. In Europe, we would be more than happy to buy a car like this for €30,000 if we could
To stay relevant, yes. But that won't hold long: sales are declining, and the price simply can't go any lower. They really need to get the facelift in order to see any sort of growth.
I'd consider VW not for its software, but rather if there was a tech-dieted option and much smaller and diversified electric cars like the eUP! or an EV Polo, Caddy, etc.
@@theolich4384to be honest, that's a rather pretentious way to see it. Software and a facelift does not change the fact that it's a very large and heavy (steel) car.
VW already sells incredibly well in Europe. We already have the facelifted ID3 which has new hardware and software. I mean were talking about 3 different versions here, 2 of them good, 1 of them not. The bad one is the old one. The one in this video seems China specific, the facelifted ID3s in Europe also have a different new software which is also pretty good.
That said, I drive a 2023 Skoda Octavia with the old software and it runs fine for me. never had any issues with stability or android auto connection, both wireless and wired. Tho I do use wired for longer trips because it doesnt cool the phone while wireless charging, so itll overheat after roughly 40minutes and stop charging.
Thanks. I can’t wait to see BYD Song L review at your channel. I hope you do it soon
Sweet! I'll test drive one this weekend... It's about €16K here in Xiamen for the base 2025 model 😍
I got an id.6 (Chinese import ) to Lebanon.. been perfect ever since I bought it..
In china only very few people buy ids , Chinese EVs are way better.
@@sephiroth4041 maybe.. but I’m country.. 60% of electric cars are IDs. 30% BYD ..and 5% German brand and 5% Chinese off brand.. so my chances of spare parts and a tech to fix or update are better than anyone else in my country.
@@sephiroth4041no
@@Moustafa009 BYD better cheaper ，and spare parts are also cheaper，so BYD are the most seller In China，VW sells less than a fraction of BYD's EVs.
中国一个月卖一万多台ID，合资车企里EV排第一毫无疑问。
It is not VW Software, it is CHINESE software, build by a Chinese software company. That's the reason that it works.
Tell us more. Does it mean there should be no hope to get it outside of China with an update?
@@privettoli VW bought Xpeng, guess what they want
@@kenso888 VW only bought a small 5% stake in Xpeng, which doesn't even get VW access to Xpeng's latest SEPA platform. However perhaps VW will seek Xpeng's help on the software side. Problem is while Xpeng certainly can do Chinese infotainment software 100x better than VW, that's not necessarily the case with making infotainment stack for European/western markets. Xpeng's own infotainment software in the cars they export to Europe is certainly not as good as what they have in their chinese domestic market cars.
@@privettoli your government will be very worried about your privacy and data securtiy, and more important, the national security.
@@eclockren7144don't know about that. GM is selling all that data away and the US government doesn't seem to care. Europe, on the other hand, has stricter consumer protection laws
Isn’t this the same infotainment system that already ships in ID.7, ID.3 GTX and facelift versions of ID.4 and ID.5? It’s indeed a big improvement. Too bad the first ID.3 facelift didn’t get it.
Many thanks from Japan. Truly wish we had journalists like you who are bold enough to mercilessly rant on crap ICE cars here. China is winning not only in auto but in journalism (politics aside). BTW, I'm betting on Xpeng-VW alliance to bring massive rewards to their investors.
China just granted visa-free access for Japanese citizens. Hope you can come over and see all the insane EVs we have over here. I took a few cab rides today and all of them are EVs. Much less noisy and much smoother than combustion engines.
I remember your original video about the ID.3, haha. Good pricing and decent software improvements.
Luckily, the software seems to be much more modern; hardware has always been good.
Thanks for the update!
The same version of the software i think is on the passat pro. Do you think that software can be put into cars for other markets, of course with the required adaptations?
bro you are a chill dude fr
China: €20000, Europe: €40000, Americas: lol buy an SUV/crossover
it was such a low bar that any improvement on the software will be considered a massive surprise
Hi . Very good vidéo ..IS it software 5.0? Thanks
Wow, did VW really fix the software? I cannot believe it. The voice clone feature is even kinda cool, something you don't really see in other cars.
I love this guys reviews 💜
What Chinese car models are direct competitors of id3 in China?
BYD Dolphin and Song Up, there's no comparison in terms of sales numbers. Hope this interaction can bring VW back to the EV race.
BYD Dolphin, BYD Yuan Plus (Atto3, the price overlaps with the ID.3 in its native market), BYD Yuan Up, Wuling Bingo, Wuling Bingo Plus, Wuling Cloud (soon available globally as the MG Cloud if memory serves), MG4, GAC Aion Y, Aion S, Ora Cat, Something something from Geely, Changan and Chery I can't remember (Chery iCar03?). The top trim ID.3 also faces competition with the Zeekr X and a ton of other more premium sedans and hatchbacks. Even the ID.4, now starting at ¥139,800 ($19,000, about the same as the top trim ID.3), is some sort of a competitor. I also excluded many dozens of PHEVs in the price range like the hugely popular BYD Qin L.
如果你问的是同价位同类型，那么很遗憾，是几乎没有竞争对手，我是说十五万以下的纯电两箱注重驾驶素质的小车。如果你问的是同价位，那么其他回答里提到的byd和五菱都是竞争对手，但是他们更关注于基础配置和家用舒适性（当然不包含在英国已经击败ID3的MG4，MG4是唯一定位和价格都针对ID3的产品，可惜的是在中国他卖的不好，因为中国毕竟是初级市场，人们还是倾向于家用车好过一人一台的玩乐车），其他同定位的车我能想到的还有极氪的X，但是那是一台小SUV并且价格高了不少，BYD有一台基于海豹平台的新钢炮，但是似乎尺寸不小且价格不会很低，暂时只想到这么多。
Xpang Mona mo3
hi , I have a ID4 and the software is so good, I have carplay, AA and I've never had a problem with the software ! , btw its the chinese sw version
If they would sell this at 20 000 euro in Europe, it would be game over for combustion engines ... please do this!
They can't. Different manufacturing and operations costs. Rememeber that even the chinese cannot get the price that low for europe. Or even Tesla.
It's only a matter of time. ICE cars are already more expensive to manufacture than EV's in China. It will be soon in Europe and US the same.
Evs aint the future kid😂😂
Chinese gov give grants for EV’s. Plus all the stuff surrounding the car, overheads, sales network, the costs will be lower in China vs Europe. You can’t pay a German carsales man the same salary and commission as his/her counterpart in China etc. All of this gets reflected in the final sales price, even if the nominal cost of making the car might be the same.
@@Fiwek23452 You must have lived under a rock for the last 10 years, pal.
Yes, you have found your niche.
Hi! Is it Xpeng software ?? 😅 Here in EU, one iD3 NEW costs 40.000-45.000€ Euros ⁉️
No, the Xpeng software is way better than this. This is just catching up with the baseline, the minimum level of Chinese smart EVs. Xpeng's is like Apple's iOS and VW's is like blackberry-ish. For example, XPeng's software can use voice to control everything on the screen without touching it and adjust the wind direction of the AC, the AI can tell what's the brand of the other car on the road, what river you just passed by, and drive autonomously door-to-door under the driver's supervision.
Xpeng software might be decent (still annoying because touch only and no, voice does not compensate for it) but most other chinese brands have poor software really. I tested the Zeekr 001 last week and that infotainment was anything but good. Byd also did not impress me at all and MG? Well... that is just shit.
@@Astke If you take a look at the dashboard of MG Cyberster, it's bullshit. That is the most ugly dashboard I've ever seen in China.
@@eclockren7144 Nobody cares about software. I'd buy a car that doesn't even have a screen in it if I could. We care about how good the car is, and VW's are better cars than any competition in China for remotely similar cost.
Finally I can sit in my car and talk to myself
May you help me buying one
Bigger battery please
Whats the average income in China?
1000 USD/month
About 1/4th of that in poorest EU countries, but that's beside the point. Just because a country is rich, doesn't mean the SAME PRODUCT should cost more. An Iphone costs the same in Switzerland as it does in Rwanda, despite Switzerland being like 80 times richer.
@@derbigpr500 1/4 of poorest EU countries? Bulgaria's GDP per capita is only $1000 higher than that China. You are saying people in Bulgaria make 4 times more of Chinese people? 🤣🤣
@@BSPBuilder You know in Chinese people's mind only Germany and France can stand for EU, any country poorer than this two doesn't represent EU
Income below 5000 RMB is not subject to personal income tax in China. On average, it's around $1000, but there's also a big gap within China, basically the difference between the poorest and richest countries in Europe.
Great proces in China
It honestly feels like a spit in the face that the price is half the price in a foreign country
I own China spec Zeekr X outside of china and was always wondering why would i need weather forcast as opposed to the actual temperature reading from outside... it seems that cars in Chinese market all have that feature but I am not sure why. Could you please explain why such feature is desired in Chinese car market?
Thabk you!
Just my personal feeling, weather changes a lot especially when you drive cross region in China.
So it might relevant to driving.
But temperature won't be too much different as long as you don't cross the country.
Your car adds to another screen as another source of information. For example when you are driving, you wonder what is the weather in your destination, with build in software to the car, you can ask the car what is the weather in your destination. Furthermore, car companies now is gradually adding features like ordering take out in your car. I give you my example, after a hard working day, I dont want to go to eat outside, I would like to eat at home but no one is at home cooking. On my way home, I can order my favorite take out via the car by build-in take out App. When I arrive home, my food also arrives. Some say why dont you just call, well, things work differently in China, we dont have the conventianal calling system for take out. Or for eaxmple if you have of one of these smart home, that you can control your AC from your car, when you are home, the tempeture is just right and you dont have to run it whole day to save energy. So eventually, cars are not just a tool that only moves you from point A to B, but it also serves as a smart assistant.
You can try to import vw from China, but vw Europe will block the homologation process anyway...
Good one!
I still like the pre facelift more. The european facelift kind of ruined the clean design of the original ID.3. Btw: the brass rims are cool!
Competition benefit the consumers
I know that sound odd, but I don't think this software would do well in Europe... It's to different from what we are use to!
You must not forget that these cars would be at least VAT worth more expensive if imported to Europe. In some countries you also need to add additional taxes, not to mention new EU tariffs and import costs.
With just VAT and shipping+import costs it would be at least 20k€ + dealer margins.
Still too cheap though 😂
25k Euro would be still a bargain. You only get a 1.4 Golf with absolutely no features for that price.
Slightly modified 4.x/5.x MIB3 software and hardware. What's the big deal?
but not MIB3, this is ICAS3 for MEB
@@langkejeffy ICAS3 is the hardware, MIB3 the software.
@@langkejeffy is this software built by vw or another chinese company ?
@@yamiyuan1190 lge lead，and cariad/vw support，and some app done by chinese suppiers….
That looks way better. And different from EU specs.
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something tells me vw outsourced software to someone else for chinese market. they can't be THAT good. Can they?? You tell me there's hope? 😅
We believe that this new software is made by SAIC. VW is cooperating with Xpeng so in 2026 VW could make good software as well, with the help of Xpeng.
North America needs this
Nope doesn't sell well here in that compact segment/class of vehicles. Vw would be lucky even under 30k to move 50k unit's a year.
Ala bolt and bolt euv kinda numbers.
The entire compact segment across all brands and models available does just 800,000-1,000,000 units In total!
Small ice cars to be profitable need 250,000+unit's of volume generally speaking. Small evs likely need even MORE. 😀
Mercedes and BMW also don’t bother selling their small models because mistakes Americans have a caveman mentality of bigger = better
North America loves SUVs and Trucks. This is too small for your average North American
@@Paulruk nah. Just fix the emission regulations and trucks will go extinct
Biden said no.
事实上 这款车在中国只有1万欧元 不过销量还不错
So good to know. Do not buy a VW for years until they actually fix the stuff...
and this is an "updated" software? 😥
why not impose sanctions on VW for selling an Ev so cheap in china. same like EU imposes sanctions on chinese Evs.
China raises car import tax from 15% to 25%
It's sad we're at a stage now where the most relevant thing to people is FREAKING SOFTWARE in a car. Who cares, who gives a damn? Cars shouldn't even have screens in them. I'd forbid screens that show anything but basic technical information or sat-nav in cars. In fact I'd make it so that screens can't even be retracted out of the dash when the car isn't stationary or using a sat nav. It's idiocy overloaded. Companies are able to make worse and worse CARS and get away with it by putting in bigger and bigger screens with more flashy software which grabs the clueless people's attention and makes them forget the car they're driving is objectively worse than the one they bought 5 years ago. It's a CAR, not a smartphone or a tablet. What kind of a screen it has inside and what kind of software shouldn't even be in top 100 on the priority list of things that are important in a car. But then again, I don't expect an average person to understand what us car guys and real drivers say to them.
hat is the real reason why chinese EVs are do inexpensive?
Is there any VAT, incentives to consumer/manufacturer etc? Have not heard a good explination yet ehy we pay 2-3x the price in Europe 🤔
Extreme competition.
Every bit of potential in cost control is tapped.
@@makesirich-ps6zw Is that enough for VW to be able to sell essentialy the same product for 2-3x less tho? Surely that leads to huge losses 🤔
@@anton_grahnor huge margins in eu?
@@slavko321 No auto company except Tesla and BYD is making money of their EVs as far as we know
this is the real exchange rate
but i love byd , zeekr, and geely😃😃😃😃
VW put $700Million into XPENG.
3:32 you call this "responsive"? its less than 30 fps shit. VW cars look OK on paper.. but in reality.. my vocabulary is not rich enough for swear words
Volkswagen isnt appreciating its customers who are paying too much for a low quality car. They are also dishonest abouth problems. I feel sorry for its employees who will loose their jobs thanks to a failing management.
In germany they sell this trash with worse software for more than double the price
Wrong. This is the id3 pure spec, that VW hasn't sold for years. You could buy it in Germany in 2020 for effectively 22000 Euro.
Clearly you’ve never driven a Tesla model 3 or Y.
"Volkswagen being Volkswagen", what does that mean? So far VW is famous for poor engineering and craftmanship, cheap materials and terrible service. Oh, and lying, of course.
Waste of money…legacy auto will die in the coming years…
the interior of this car looks so fcking ugly. Tesl and BYD have large infotainrment while this car has none of that
I was actually admiring your knowledge and videos until I saw this crap about ID3. The platform it is based on is outdated - totally. And it has got NMC batteries, which are dangerous!! VW has huge problems developing not only plafforms, but also the software as you clearly point of. Everything that works on this ID3 they had to buy in China. And VW is actually "giving away" this car in China, losing lot's of money. Which they already does on the European models. Did you get paid by VW for this video? Excuse me, but that is the only reason why you could have made this.
A properly built NMC battery is not dangerous. LiFePO4 is for poor people.
What is this "NMC battery are dangerous" ??? The main advantage of LFP batteries on NMC is...price.