4:11 *FAA Advisory Cirular AC No: 90-103* *Reporting of Threats in Accordance With The Common Strategy* Level 1: Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening Level 2: Physically abusive behavior Level 3: Life-threatening behavior Level 4: Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck
I'll add more detail from the Appendix of the above FAA document: *AC NO: 90-103 - Appendix 1* *COMMON STRATEGY - THE FOUR DISTINCT THREAT LEVELS* LEVEL 1 THREAT Definition: Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening. Examples: Irrational behavior that creates the potential for physical conflict, nonviolent threatening behavior, verbal harassment, inebriation, and, threats (both verbal and written) - does not include battery or possible medical conditions. LEVEL 2 THREAT Definition: Physically abusive behavior. Examples: Pushing, kicking, hitting, grabbing, tripping, or inappropriate touching. LEVEL 3 THREAT Definition: Life-threatening behavior Examples: Weapon displayed/used, credible terrorist threats, credible bomb threats, or actual use of bombs, sabotage of aircraft systems, credible threats of hijacking, and deadly hand-to-hand techniques such as choking or eye gouging. LEVEL 4 THREAT Definition: Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck. Examples: Mentally disturbed individuals, goal-oriented hijackers, and suicidal hijackers.
I promise you the reason the pilots had to take a moment to confirm the threat level was that they also had to go look it up. Not something we use often enough to remember it perfectly.
@@DaWolf805 "I promise you the reason the pilots had to take a moment to confirm the threat level was that they also had to go look it up. Not something we use often enough to remember it perfectly." ATPL PIC's should know this without having to look it up. And they may have had to coordinate with the cabin crew to find out exactly what's going on before they could assign a threat level.
I was half asleep on a flight from Las Vegas, and I heard the flight attendant say to someone. "I'll tell you what will happen if you do that, the police will be waiting at the gate when we land" Don't know what the issue was but that shut him up in a hurry. Is it too much to ask people to be civil for an hour.
I agree with you, especially in this case. Some people / pilots would say it boils down to the training you get. For the most part that statement would be accurate; however, it still takes a really good pilot AND crew to make everything go right while keeping your calm. With all that being said, this entire crew did an amazing job on this flight!!!
You have to be calm, jacka$$🤦Bc if you lose your Sh!t and freak the F out that means all those depending on you sitting behind you in the cabin are as good as de@d!!!! That’s why I’m cool as a cucumber as PIC when I fly. Too many people these days are mentally and emotionally weak. This new generation is really sketch and sus!
It's not as stressful as some other emergencies, there is nothing you can do about the threat in the cabin. There aren't a lot of checklists to run or problem solving to do. There are just procedures to follow and get on the ground ASAP.
@@SplashingLebron921 yes I have. Direct flight to and from Vegas - it was a brand new plane. Guy that started JetBlue also started Breeze... I'd definitely fly with them again.
Agreed, only gripe was that they wouldn’t ship my bike, so it ended up costing the same coming home as it did flying American over (first class both ways). Service was well in excess of what I was expecting. Would gladly return to Breeze. This Neeleman guy is brilliant. WestJet, JetBlue, and Breeze. Oh, and Azul.
Got into a fight with his girlfriend and then told everyone she had a bomb. Hope he gets a lot of time to think about how fucking stupid this was. And the female passenger was not charged with anything, she did nothing wrong.
@A.J.1656 news had a pretty detailed account. He started arguing with her shortly after getting on board. She asked to be moved away from him and he started ranting about how she had a bomb, was crazy, asking how to deploy the emergency exit etc. She was not arrested and not charged with doing anything.
Don't know if you have anything on this, but we had JetBlue flight 223 make an emergency landing in CMH on Saturday December 10th, rumor has it that the emergency was due to smoke in the cockpit. The flight was running from JFK-LAX on an A321.
I'm curious what happened with the flight after the arrest. Did they get to finish the trip? Refuel? Turn around and go back to where they started? Commercial flights are extensively planned and the company has the final say.
The were able to resume the flight after a few hours delay due to the FBI sniffing the plane out, and probably a refuel, yes. But they left about noon later that day after these two were taken off. Google for 'breeze 717 bomb threat' and you'll get the info.
According to the flight history on flightradar24, after the diversion to Jacksonville, this plane didn’t depart for Providence until the following day. Hopefully the passengers were able to get on another plane but maybe they had to stay the night in Jacksonville
@@eeedawg1019 I would guess that after the incident, they would unload all the luggage and thoroughly inspect the plane just to be safe which would preclude getting it back in the air for a while.
Airlines should start charging a Florida Departure fee. I get more disruptive pax on FL flights than any other state. Others come close, but don’t beat Florida. This is a joke so don’t lose your doodoo, but there is some truth (mine so far) to it.
the dude has been harassing his ex-gf so much that she had a restraining order against him... he is just not normal. going on the same plane as his ex-gf just to keep harassing her. i wonder what he's gonna do once he's out of jail. i hope she's going to be safe.
@@byronharano2391 you seem to think that there’s multiple codes for an aircraft to squawk when in an emergency. There’s only one specific code for an emergency. That was the purpose of my response. Here’s a hint: it’s not 7500 and it’s not 7600. Enjoy thou journey to solve this paltry aviation dilemma.
What in the Crazy Cannabis Cooks is going on here? I mean damn, I like gummies as much as the next guy, but this is too much. People don’t know how to control their shit anymore 🙏🏼
@@MrFloppy131 yeah but they get commercial flights so have all the services they needed. Savannah isn't that small of an airport. I've actually flown out of both when I lived in Savannah in the 90s. Definitely smaller but still handles 737s, 757s, etc. I think it was more what the first guy said - had to get down from 37,000ft
A Part 121 carrier can only use airports that are approved via their OpSpec C070 (Regular, Refueling, Provisional and Alternate). In an emergency the PIC use their emergency authority to land anywhere. All of that to say, the pilots might not have had SAV on their nav displays or charts. Even so, the closest airport in distance is not always the earliest landing in time or the most appropriate given the services available and/or pilot familiarity.
Additional to the above comments, JAX is home to the 125th Fighter Wing which is the NORAD scramble squadron for the Southeast. Should NORAD have decided to intercept and escort the flight, Langley Va would have been the next closest NORAD assigned squadron. In essence, they were closing the distance to the fighters should they have been sent.
Not sure why every time some kind of emergency happens; people are impressed with how calm the pilots are. It’s all part of their training. Sure, it’s different when something actually happens but are some of you expecting pilots to lose their minds and get distracted? You would naturally expect them to be calm and collective. Pilots go into the career knowing that any kind of situation can occur. Calm and focused is the only way to control an aircraft
Exactly - if they demonstrate normal panic reactions, they don't get to be pilots. Same with ATC - they get weeded out in the training and interview process, folks! 😂
For the flying public be very aware of your surroundings. There are people who are constantly testing our security. They send people out to test our system and watch how we react.
With all the TSA crap we have to go through to get on a plane, how can anybody take a insane threat like that seriously? Restrain them if needed and proceed to destination, no need to mess up everyone else's travel.
Because security is reactive, not proactive. No one ever thought box cutters would be dangerous on a plane, or thought locking the cockpit door was necessary, until 9/11. No one ever thought allowing bottles of liquids, such as sodas, was dangerous until a terrorist group in the UK in the early 2000’s developed a plan to put liquid explosives in soda bottles and take them on dozens of flights to the US and detonate them. No one ever thought a bottle of contact lens solution was dangerous until a terrorist replaced the liquid of liquid explosives and detonated it on Philippine Airlines flight 434. Point is, terrorists adapt with security and will always find new ways to beat it. It may take sometime before they beat it, but would you want to be on the flight when they do? We have no way of knowing which threats are credible until they can be fully investigated, and you can’t investigate until the plane is on the ground.
@@waynewelshans1172 Not all flights have willing and able bodied passengers. The point you are missing here is that there is very little the pilots and passengers can do in the air crammed inside a small metal tube going 400 mph. No point in risking lives/inciting more panic on board by staying in the air longer than you need to be once a threat has been made
It wouldn't surprise me if the "suspects" get a nice privileged monetary settlement from the airline by threatening to sue for being kicked off for their "suspected" choice of behavior (just like the people who made a cool mil for disturbing a Starbucks and getting the cops called on them); it's what you want right, well then why do you vote for, support, coddle, and excuse this behavior in other situations?
"I've already confirmed with the company" What is that supposed to mean? If the Captain wants someone off, he/she lands and has them removed. It's their decision. It is good to inform the company when time permits, but the Captain is the ultimate authority and the controller could care less about what the company thinks.
During any kind of emergency, an airlines dispatch is one of many radio calls the pilots have to make so the airline is aware of what's happening with one of their aircraft. That's what the pilot means when he says "I've already confirmed with the company."
At the airline level of aviation, the responsibility for the safety for the flight is shared between the pilots and a dispatcher. This ensures that someone on the ground is able double check things that the pilots are doing while flying the aircraft. There would have been a lot of information needed to go over before diverting to another airport (checking runway conditions, weather, aircraft landing performance with conditions and weight, etc). That is what the pilot meant when it was stated they "checked with company".
The Captain confirmed with company as to his divert destination. KJAX has regularly scheduled service with Breeze and that was what he confirmed. He could have chosen Savannah but confirmed JAX.
The aircraft are handled by a dispatcher with their company on the ground. They coordinate things with then as needed. That’s is what that’s supposed to mean 😎👍🙏
@@comcfi Whatever point you were trying to make was soundly negated by your malaprop. Take a refresher course in elementary English and grammar. Best stay off of social media for now.
4:11 *FAA Advisory Cirular AC No: 90-103*
*Reporting of Threats in Accordance With The Common Strategy*
Level 1: Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening
Level 2: Physically abusive behavior
Level 3: Life-threatening behavior
Level 4: Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck
Thank you. I'll pin your comment 🙂
I'll add more detail from the Appendix of the above FAA document:
*AC NO: 90-103 - Appendix 1*
*COMMON STRATEGY - THE FOUR DISTINCT THREAT LEVELS*
LEVEL 1 THREAT
Definition: Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening.
Examples: Irrational behavior that creates the potential for physical conflict, nonviolent threatening behavior, verbal harassment, inebriation, and, threats (both verbal and
written) - does not include battery or possible medical conditions.
LEVEL 2 THREAT
Definition: Physically abusive behavior.
Examples: Pushing, kicking, hitting, grabbing, tripping, or inappropriate touching.
LEVEL 3 THREAT
Definition: Life-threatening behavior
Examples: Weapon displayed/used, credible terrorist threats, credible bomb threats, or actual use of bombs, sabotage of aircraft systems, credible threats of hijacking, and
deadly hand-to-hand techniques such as choking or eye gouging.
LEVEL 4 THREAT
Definition: Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck.
Examples: Mentally disturbed individuals, goal-oriented hijackers, and suicidal hijackers.
@@41istair my man's got the FAA handbook on standby 😂 but honestly the context helps a lot thank you!
I promise you the reason the pilots had to take a moment to confirm the threat level was that they also had to go look it up. Not something we use often enough to remember it perfectly.
@@DaWolf805 "I promise you the reason the pilots had to take a moment to confirm the threat level was that they also had to go look it up. Not something we use often enough to remember it perfectly." ATPL PIC's should know this without having to look it up. And they may have had to coordinate with the cabin crew to find out exactly what's going on before they could assign a threat level.
"Got some able bodied passengers willing to help." After 911, Every able bodied person knows failure is not an option anymore.
I was half asleep on a flight from Las Vegas, and I heard the flight attendant say to someone. "I'll tell you what will happen if you do that, the police will be waiting at the gate when we land" Don't know what the issue was but that shut him up in a hurry. Is it too much to ask people to be civil for an hour.
I hated working in the hospital, but if you threatened us, we had a lot more options than flight attendants do.
@@phillipbanes5484 Bingo! Nutbars and basic low-lifes get some booze in their belly on the airline and go even more nutzo.
I'm always impressed with the calmness of the pilots when faced with imminent danger whether its a fuel leak emergency or something like this
I agree with you, especially in this case. Some people / pilots would say it boils down to the training you get. For the most part that statement would be accurate; however, it still takes a really good pilot AND crew to make everything go right while keeping your calm. With all that being said, this entire crew did an amazing job on this flight!!!
It is part of being a pilot. They are tough !
You have to be calm, jacka$$🤦Bc if you lose your Sh!t and freak the F out that means all those depending on you sitting behind you in the cabin are as good as de@d!!!! That’s why I’m cool as a cucumber as PIC when I fly. Too many people these days are mentally and emotionally weak. This new generation is really sketch and sus!
Like they say, in most cases people don't rise to the occasion to do anything remarkable, they fall back on their training.
Major kudos to the FAs on this one!
They are making these people pay for this… not just in jail time, but in the cost of diversion of the plane. $50,000 is a low estimate.
Despite the threat levels that pilot was spot on for his communications and read backs
It's not as stressful as some other emergencies, there is nothing you can do about the threat in the cabin. There aren't a lot of checklists to run or problem solving to do. There are just procedures to follow and get on the ground ASAP.
What threat level? 2 crazy passengers shouting at each other and at cabin staff won't make flying the plane any harder
I love Breeze Airlines - glad they were able to sort the situation out safely!
Have you flown with them before?
@@SplashingLebron921 yes I have. Direct flight to and from Vegas - it was a brand new plane. Guy that started JetBlue also started Breeze... I'd definitely fly with them again.
@@HilltopperTA I’m glad you had a good experience
Agreed, only gripe was that they wouldn’t ship my bike, so it ended up costing the same coming home as it did flying American over (first class both ways). Service was well in excess of what I was expecting. Would gladly return to Breeze.
This Neeleman guy is brilliant. WestJet, JetBlue, and Breeze. Oh, and Azul.
My Mother and Aunt have flown their PHX BDL route several times now and have nothing but good things to say.
Got into a fight with his girlfriend and then told everyone she had a bomb. Hope he gets a lot of time to think about how fucking stupid this was. And the female passenger was not charged with anything, she did nothing wrong.
He will end up on a banned list on every Part 121 carrier in the USA. Airlines talk to each other on this kind of matter.
@AEMoreira81 not to mention the federal charges. Dude will probably never fly again.
How do you know she did nothing wrong?
@A.J.1656 news had a pretty detailed account. He started arguing with her shortly after getting on board. She asked to be moved away from him and he started ranting about how she had a bomb, was crazy, asking how to deploy the emergency exit etc. She was not arrested and not charged with doing anything.
@@MeerkatADV
Cool, hadn't seen that. Thanks for the reply.
This should be a minimum 10 year federal prison stint.
I was not expecting to see a Breeze airways flight
As usual, great work everyone! The training shows.
How so?
Love the video clip at the end!!!
Me too
Wooooo!!
Don't know if you have anything on this, but we had JetBlue flight 223 make an emergency landing in CMH on Saturday December 10th, rumor has it that the emergency was due to smoke in the cockpit. The flight was running from JFK-LAX on an A321.
Cool and professional. Very comforting.
You didn't hear them when they were not talking on the radio.
Threat level "midnight" - MIchael Scarn. Seriously, the calmness of the flight crew and controllers is impressive.
I'm curious what happened with the flight after the arrest. Did they get to finish the trip? Refuel? Turn around and go back to where they started? Commercial flights are extensively planned and the company has the final say.
The were able to resume the flight after a few hours delay due to the FBI sniffing the plane out, and probably a refuel, yes. But they left about noon later that day after these two were taken off.
Google for 'breeze 717 bomb threat' and you'll get the info.
I don't think he will be flying again
@@steve1978gerI'm pretty sure they meant everyone/thing other than the two arrested.
According to the flight history on flightradar24, after the diversion to Jacksonville, this plane didn’t depart for Providence until the following day. Hopefully the passengers were able to get on another plane but maybe they had to stay the night in Jacksonville
@@eeedawg1019 I would guess that after the incident, they would unload all the luggage and thoroughly inspect the plane just to be safe which would preclude getting it back in the air for a while.
"a buh?"
"Not a buh, a bomb"
Surely, you can’t be serious!
That man needed to be taken to a hospital...
@@jeffridder4034My Uncle was on the Buh Squad. No fingers and couldn’t hear jack.
@@RLTtizME was he friendly with Howard Payne?
That’s not applause on the recording. It’s static from the radio period
There was a bomb threat at my granddaughter 's high school yesterday. 🇨🇦
Those 2 passengers should be flagged for never entering an aircraft.
"Just want to confirm the cockpit is secure"...a phrase you never want to hear
Should have been a Mayday call w/ squawk 7500, right?
Cap seemed pretty relaxed about it all. Professional!
Airlines should start charging a Florida Departure fee. I get more disruptive pax on FL flights than any other state. Others come close, but don’t beat Florida. This is a joke so don’t lose your doodoo, but there is some truth (mine so far) to it.
I concur 😂
Damn Yankees
These passengers are not Florida residents. They were returning to Providence Rhode Island
@2:30 it sounds like the FO makes the radio call.
What does moxie mean as they're talking with air traffic control?
It's the radio callsign for Breeze.
@@nickhfda223 It used to be Poot but they changed it.
@@RLTtizME
Poot dispenser here
How many brain cells need to die before pulling a stupid stunt like this?
why do people like that try to fly?
the dude has been harassing his ex-gf so much that she had a restraining order against him... he is just not normal. going on the same plane as his ex-gf just to keep harassing her. i wonder what he's gonna do once he's out of jail. i hope she's going to be safe.
For this type of in-flight emergency. What code would this aircraft squawk? This is so nutty.
Well there’s only one squawk code for an emergency and this isn’t a hijaking so……
@@jlock611 you failed to answer my question! Thank you anyway.
@@byronharano2391 you seem to think that there’s multiple codes for an aircraft to squawk when in an emergency. There’s only one specific code for an emergency. That was the purpose of my response. Here’s a hint: it’s not 7500 and it’s not 7600. Enjoy thou journey to solve this paltry aviation dilemma.
What in the Crazy Cannabis Cooks is going on here? I mean damn, I like gummies as much as the next guy, but this is too much. People don’t know how to control their shit anymore 🙏🏼
I'm surprised that they didn't go to SAV as it was a bit closer.
Gotta also think they were at 37000 feet. By the time they descend closer isn't always the better option
SAV is a smaller airport than Jacksonville, JVILLE has more facilities than Sav
@@MrFloppy131 yeah but they get commercial flights so have all the services they needed. Savannah isn't that small of an airport. I've actually flown out of both when I lived in Savannah in the 90s. Definitely smaller but still handles 737s, 757s, etc. I think it was more what the first guy said - had to get down from 37,000ft
A Part 121 carrier can only use airports that are approved via their OpSpec C070 (Regular, Refueling, Provisional and Alternate). In an emergency the PIC use their emergency authority to land anywhere. All of that to say, the pilots might not have had SAV on their nav displays or charts. Even so, the closest airport in distance is not always the earliest landing in time or the most appropriate given the services available and/or pilot familiarity.
Additional to the above comments, JAX is home to the 125th Fighter Wing which is the NORAD scramble squadron for the Southeast.
Should NORAD have decided to intercept and escort the flight, Langley Va would have been the next closest NORAD assigned squadron.
In essence, they were closing the distance to the fighters should they have been sent.
Obviously it was threat level midnight
Guess no time for Hornets to scramble from Jacksonville NAS?
Not sure why every time some kind of emergency happens; people are impressed with how calm the pilots are. It’s all part of their training. Sure, it’s different when something actually happens but are some of you expecting pilots to lose their minds and get distracted? You would naturally expect them to be calm and collective. Pilots go into the career knowing that any kind of situation can occur. Calm and focused is the only way to control an aircraft
Absolutely!
Yep, this. Part of the job.
Exactly - if they demonstrate normal panic reactions, they don't get to be pilots. Same with ATC - they get weeded out in the training and interview process, folks! 😂
Jacksonville? So was this Jacksonville NC or Jacksonville Florida?
FL. It was mentioned in the video.
I watched it live going to JAX on flight radar24
Florida
Pretty good threat level to necessitate declaring an emergency…. 🤷🏻♂️
They have to call company before reporting.
05:52 P.M.? WTF kind of time stamp is that?
Calm down Kevin lol
OK Karen.@@comcfi
Jail for 10 years, minimum!
25 years for that , so many wacko in the world today , makes life dangerous !
Florida you say?
Is this GTA-6 DLC announcement already? 🤔
He looked like I expected
This comment is the worst part of the comments section
5:15 Na na na na... na na na na... hey hey hey... GOODBYE!
Time to get the cops on the tarmac ! Airport police has a regular case on their hands......
I was a flight attendant for 35 years. This behavior was not normal, but look who is flying now. Sorry state of life. Lord help us.
No mental acuity test required to purchase an airline ticket!
What a shame. Cost that airline a fortune, scared all those people.
For the flying public be very aware of your surroundings. There are people who are constantly testing our security. They send people out to test our system and watch how we react.
They are cheering what? Having their day rudely interrupted?
With all the TSA crap we have to go through to get on a plane, how can anybody take a insane threat like that seriously? Restrain them if needed and proceed to destination, no need to mess up everyone else's travel.
Because security is reactive, not proactive. No one ever thought box cutters would be dangerous on a plane, or thought locking the cockpit door was necessary, until 9/11. No one ever thought allowing bottles of liquids, such as sodas, was dangerous until a terrorist group in the UK in the early 2000’s developed a plan to put liquid explosives in soda bottles and take them on dozens of flights to the US and detonate them. No one ever thought a bottle of contact lens solution was dangerous until a terrorist replaced the liquid of liquid explosives and detonated it on Philippine Airlines flight 434.
Point is, terrorists adapt with security and will always find new ways to beat it. It may take sometime before they beat it, but would you want to be on the flight when they do? We have no way of knowing which threats are credible until they can be fully investigated, and you can’t investigate until the plane is on the ground.
Who would restrain them and with what would they restrain them with?
@@comcfi most flights are carrying plasticuffs these days and the pilot said they had able bodied passengers willing to help if needed
@@waynewelshans1172 Not all flights have willing and able bodied passengers. The point you are missing here is that there is very little the pilots and passengers can do in the air crammed inside a small metal tube going 400 mph. No point in risking lives/inciting more panic on board by staying in the air longer than you need to be once a threat has been made
@@JNDlego57 It's this kind of thinking that has led us to the nanny-state we currently live in
Rhode Islanders are the hillbillies of New England and when adding a budget airline, you will get terrible passengers.
It wouldn't surprise me if the "suspects" get a nice privileged monetary settlement from the airline by threatening to sue for being kicked off for their "suspected" choice of behavior (just like the people who made a cool mil for disturbing a Starbucks and getting the cops called on them); it's what you want right, well then why do you vote for, support, coddle, and excuse this behavior in other situations?
"I've already confirmed with the company" What is that supposed to mean? If the Captain wants someone off, he/she lands and has them removed. It's their decision. It is good to inform the company when time permits, but the Captain is the ultimate authority and the controller could care less about what the company thinks.
During any kind of emergency, an airlines dispatch is one of many radio calls the pilots have to make so the airline is aware of what's happening with one of their aircraft. That's what the pilot means when he says "I've already confirmed with the company."
At the airline level of aviation, the responsibility for the safety for the flight is shared between the pilots and a dispatcher. This ensures that someone on the ground is able double check things that the pilots are doing while flying the aircraft. There would have been a lot of information needed to go over before diverting to another airport (checking runway conditions, weather, aircraft landing performance with conditions and weight, etc). That is what the pilot meant when it was stated they "checked with company".
The Captain confirmed with company as to his divert destination. KJAX has regularly scheduled service with Breeze and that was what he confirmed. He could have chosen Savannah but confirmed JAX.
The aircraft are handled by a dispatcher with their company on the ground. They coordinate things with then as needed. That’s is what that’s supposed to mean 😎👍🙏
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This is why I wont travel on airlines as all the crazy people doing stupid things on airplanes.
I’m sure the Greyhound is much safer.
Don’t fly on low cost carriers and you have a lower chance of flying with the dredges of society.
@@comcfi “Dregs” sweetie. You must hang out at the Spirit VIP Lounge.
@@RLTtizMEI was referring to you people, and it’s obvious you got my point.
@@comcfi Whatever point you were trying to make was soundly negated by your malaprop. Take a refresher course in elementary English and grammar. Best stay off of social media for now.