The saddest part about the Kanonenjagdpanzer is that it was already considered underwhelming when it came out. So, right now, it feels like it has absolutely no place in the game.
I quite liked it when 3 marking. I 3 marked it under 50 battles (also the requirements were low) but I liked the 105 more, which I 3 marked in 58 games. Both win ratios in the 2 are around 63%
Nah, the saddest part is it was originally marketed as a replacement to placate who wanted the E-25 back right after they first pulled it. High mobile, high cammo, low caliber, fast firing, not quite as broken though and pushed up to be s tier 8..... now is fair.... rite?
Back in the day the clan I was in we were doing tournaments and one day several of us bought this tank on sale just to derp around having a good time, to think that was almost eight years ago and have times changed.
Fcm50t is that low on winrate only because of the shit matchmaking of preferential mm tanks. I loved it tbh and I still like it but not when I see mostly tier 9 tanks .
The FCM 50T feels like a nostalgia tank. Played right and you will be enjoying it. Holding a line solo against the spearhead is very rewarding, until the other side of the map losses spectacularly and your the only one left.
Ever since the Skorpion came out, Wargaming has been churning out ever stronger tanks without any regard to balancing them against older premiums, and now balancing is a complete farce. I am sick of it.
@@Swampy15 You've got a good point there, but I have invested so much time and money into this game over the years that this is easier said than done for me.
@@Swampy15 I mean a lot of players have left the game because of these glaring issues such as power creep but here we are. WG needs to make new content that gives players a reason to come back so I doubt anything will change. Prem tanks, op tier 10s, event tanks, ect in order to keep players attention.
Easy solution: just play the game but don't pay WG money. It is a free game anyway, I stop bothering with my stats (top 8% player in Asia since 2017) and stop showing them my wallet
They should have just given the Kanonenjagdpanzer a much better rate of fire. Something like a more balanced Tier 8 E-25. I absolutely loved the RU251, which is the light tank of the same chassis so I was super excited when they added the TD version. Sad they didn't do justice to this cool little tank, I saw the stats and had to pass on it.
I think WG purposely set the stats at first so damn low cos they feared they would create another E 25. But yeah, that this definitely wouldn't be the case was obvious pretty much a few weeks after release. They could buff the tank now, tho. Or give it preferential mm at least, even then it wouldn't be that great of a tank.
WG feared back in the day this would be the tier 8 E25 but now how they're releasing premium tanks, this could've been the shtpk tvp 100 without the turret if they had the same mindset on premium tanks before.
@@antonio_fidalgo The 105 at least has some alpha and penetration. The Kanonenfodder 90 is like a glass cannon, but without the cannon. A glass popgun, basically. If it had DPM like the Jagdtiger 88, that'd at least be something. With its current stats, the Kanonenfodder belongs at tier 7.
@@RedXlV the 105 is a great TD but is a few seconds slower reloading than it should be and that shows on the DPM. Now they laughed that CZ thing that shots around 250 damage each 4.48 (or less with all the best equipment and consumables) they could think about taking at least a second or two out of the 105 reloading time, it is a shame the vehicle is so underpowered.
The worse thing is that WG knows those tanks are completely outclassed (the data is out there) but they still sell them without fixing them to unfortunate players. That is a scam.
@@vietdoan_peter yes, and many other people would, and people would probably return to the game. look at lol, they sell skins like crazy, and they dont bring any in game advantages. People would buy balanced premiums if they were different/fun.
I ve bought this long time ago. By far the worst tank in tier 8, tech tree or not. In my opinion this is how the premium tank should be. You pay to skip the line and you get a bad or mediocre tank. Fair deal for me
I want 2015 WoT back...., good enough graphics, good gameplay and no completely broken tanks, Tier 8 mm was not only put together by the most broken premium tanks. Also mm was much better overall and there was no arty stun, no double barrel tanks, no weird auto reload mechanics and not that much gold spam.
I also remember maps not being three corridors. I miss Komarin, Swamp, Hidden Village... Hell, even a city map of Stalingrad had plenty of opportunities to flank around.
Because players better and tanks improved you hate it? 2015 tanks wasn't that great.. and if you can't adapt then what are you really doing playing such a game?
These longer commentated videos are great, they feel like a miniature twitch stream. Love the energy you put into them, feels a lot more upbeat than strapping in for a 12-hour stream. Nice one, Qubes! Edit: Not that one is better than the other; different content for different moods.
I quit WoT in ~2018, but it´s still sad to see the T8 tanks of my era just not cutting it anymore in 2022. Especially the Blackdog, which was an amazing light back then, and the FCM 50t, which was my very first T8 Premium back in like 2014... I feel so old now >.
I'm extremely glad that QuickyBaby has shown literally the current stage of WoT in this video, 6 games with average combined damage of 1.5 k.... It literally is win or lose in 5 mins (Today our team lost 15:1 in 3 minutes and 41 seconds for real) and it's really sad, but the 15:14 or 15:13 games only appear once in 100 battles apparently :/
I mean he’s also playing the worst tier 8 premium tanks. It’s almost like with the power creep in the game that playing the worst tanks in each tier is never going to go well Play JPZ e100 for 50 games and then play VZ-55 for 50 games. Same thing
That is the issue, I can get a good win rate and average damage in the op premium t8s while earning 10x the credits. Playing stock tanks, particularly t10, is just a waste of time and resources as a result as 90% of T8 and T10 standard tanks are so uncompetitive. They should really limit all the premiums and reward tanks to a separate cash earning mode as it has completely unbalanced the random battles game.
In the tortoisen I used to get 4k every 2 games. Won like 20 games In a row once. Probably wouldn't have that luck anymore haha Those were the good days ;D
That "First" game with the Kanonen Jagdpanzer was very satisfying to watch after experiencing how terrifying the TVP is. Also, you saying only masochists would play a tank like the Primo Victoria as I have just unlocked the first Centurion, oh my. >.>
@@Daktangle Bad dpm, bad camo, bad hull armour, large size, low damage per shot, bad gun handling (fully aimed shots often miss), mediocre mobility, it's a horrible tank. Yes you have some turret armour, but it only really works against tier 8 standard rounds and whenever people are loading gold you are made out of cheese (don't even start about higher tiers). I sold mine as soon as I unlocked the 7/1... now imagine paying money to play this thing. At least 5/1 has bit better stats and hull armour.
@@BajanKorean na, the Centurion tier8 or primo victoria isnt that bad. There are several tier8 tech tree meds which are worse be it sta1, patton, panther2. The point is that there are several prem meds which are badly balanced and just too good.
I enjoyed playing the centurion and caernarvon. The lack of alpha is disappointing, but sturdy turrets and silly rate of fire are handy, as long as you can protect your hull and pick your shots/spots. Know your role and stick to it.
Seeing a lot of these "old-fashioned" premiums perform so poorly in the current meta goes to show just how game-breaking the powercreep has gotten in this game.
Bourrasque would be better than elc even 90 if he was light tank. M41 90mm even when maximized, there is no better camouflage than standing still Bourrasque. Bourrasque is better than the M41 90mm in practically all respects. Bourrasque is a medium tank which is a light tank, M41 90mm is a poor light tank and slow medium tank.
That sums up the current state of the game overall... It's worth noting that some of these tanks were considered good at one time, but power creep has taken their toll. A few of theses are basically copies of their tech tree counterparts too...
I still have the FCM 50t, I got it when it first came out in the marathon and used to love it (played over 1000 games in it). Picked it up again a few months ago to 2-mark it, and I didn't feel like it was that bad, once you get all the field mods and with a turbo (the 400m base view range means optics are overrated for it).... You kinda have to use it as a big dumb tank where you rush the important positions at the start with your dpm, speed and RAMMING, and do your best from there. Honestly it felt better than something like the 25 Pilot or a T92 (the t8 light tank). At least you have the weight and dpm to rush a smaller tank and slam them down...
maybe you should try it with some friends to build a KV-5-Train. Two of those FCMs will form the engine of the mighty heavy. Boy it's so hillarious when you smash into other tanks dealing 900-1k damage without even shooting.
Talking about older tier 8s having trouble keeping up and low alpha, I imagine the old tech tree tanks have it even worse. I remember playing the STA-1 and it being a real struggle even five or six years ago. I can't imagine having to suffer through it now, facing off against 650 alpha damage autoloaders just at its own tier
I just finished Sta1 yesterday, and it was a horrible grind. The lack of decent DMG and/or armor is tragic. The Type 61 which I'm grinding through now, is a bit more pleasant. Although I'm getting constantly penned in the lighthouse on top of the actual turret... Atleast the gun is decent. I'm hoping the STB will be worth it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know it sucked working through those, but it does inform a lot of folks, about which tanks to try and avoid for the sake of just not wasting time and money on them. It sucks to go through those kind of games but again, thanks for doing it so we can be better informed. I appreciate it.
When I started playing in 2016, the most fun I got was from heavy engagements. Today heavies dont have much point in existing, they tend to be slow mediums with a lot of hp. Everything can put a hole in you without aiming. Last battle I played like a year ago, the tier X Swedish destroyer was penning my sidescraping is4 at a 15° angle....
I think another good idea for this series of videos is "playing the tier 10 collectors tanks" 113, T62A, AMX 30 B. And diving into why they were axed from the main tech trees.
The problem is that nowadays the advantages of a tank like the FCM 50t ( gun handling, dpm, speed) don't even feel like an advantage anymore because they are at the same level as 7 years ago. Now there are tanks that are better armored, have better gun handling and are faster (all in one). FCM, IS 6 and Jagttiger 8,8 were my favorite prem tanks back then. I miss those days man :( WG knows everything as good as we do but they dont care. They stopped balancing the game. No testservers, no balancing news/updates... NOTHING but premium and reward tank spams. The only way to make a change is, either we stop giving them our money or another tank game comes out, so WoT has competition (which would be very healthy for WoT)
I saved my Kanonenjagdpanzer and after several years of owning I mastered it some weeks ago. The buff of the penetration of the 1 from I think 212 to 238mm helped, but hey didn't raise the pen of the 2. They can raise the alpha and the pen of the 2 to 280. You have more premiums to train a Rheinmetall-Borsig or a Jagdpanzer IV, then a trainer of the tier 9/10 and the Ferdinand. I like the two swedish premium meds, I think they had to buff the pen of the 2 270 or more. Both have the problem, that they have another crew-loadout to the techtrees. The FCM 50t suffers from the fact, that he is an old-style-prem and you have too often to fight against tier 8 only or tier 9. To trade against with 240 damage against the 300 alpha cannons will be too difficult and the the 300 alpha starts at tier 7. The M41 90 came in my opinion, when tier 8 lights were the highest lights, at this time the were strong, but with the power-creep they lost their bite like most of the old vehicles. Type 59 Patton can see tier 10, is one(or the only one) of the chinese with gun depression, but with the great weakpoint at his turret, which the tier 10 american medium, the m48 Patton, had too at the release time. They could reduce it to the same size of the tier 10 patton and it will be a little bit better.
Comparing the Kanonenjagdpanzer 90mm to the real tank you can see, that the WG team erred in some technical specifications. The reverse speed of the real Kanonenjagdpanzer was identical to the forward speed of 70 km/h. The Kanonenjagdpanzer never used AP ammunition. The main ammunition was "Patrone 90mm x 602 HEAT-T T300" with an armor penetration of some 360mm (against homogeneous armor). The secondary ammunition was "Patrone 90mm x 602 HEP T142" , a HESH ammunition. The real tank had a side armor of 20mm only, this is less than the virtual WG design. I think that changing the data to the real model would make the tank more competitive. There is a collection of Kanonenjagdpanzer in the "Muna-Museum Marktbergel" including the 105mm gun planed for the never realized update.
All the new generation tanks - or new countries that have entered the game over the past three years have put the majority of older generation tanks into the geriatric (senior citizens) ward. They just can't compete. WG should think about period games; i.e. WW2 and before; cold war period; and modern. This might sort out the problem of power creep.
The primo Victoria comes as a rental with the new player code (or did about 5 weeks ago when I started playing wot). It makes sense that if you have actual noobs playing it semi regularly it will bring the win rate down.
Good to see Patton KR so close to the most shameful position. Every time I take that crapheap out (way more than I can justify) I feel like I'm handicapping my team no matter what I do. Compared to the P2Win bullshit premiums I'm ashamed to take on to the field, it's like playing a completely different game. Panther 8,8 is another tank I've played more than I should, and is just a liability - even if the gun accuracy's kinda comfortable. The idea of grinding out field mods on either - heartbreaking misery.
I'm actually surprised on the MoE requirements for the 50b, given that it is a pure support tank, unforgiving to mistakes, rarely gives the players chance to craft a play.... with such a high skill cieling, I expected it's 2nd MoE expectation value to be around 2800 - 3000 dpg but it still stands at ~3500 dpg. That number is something I don't understand
I was around 92% in my 50b but I gave up after having to basically shoot only prem and average 4K+ just to break even. My best tank is actually the fv215b heavy back in the day when it’s dpm was meta in cw. Would like to see the expected damage for the 3rd mark considering it’s out of the game now.
Good to see QB having the same luck as me with the lag spikes. It just happens a lot more often with my service provider. When I'm in the second line it's not as worrying, but when I'm at the frontline it's game over most of the time unless I'm reversing behind cover when the lag happens.
Haven't played in years but I still watch QB's vids and sometimes feel an itch to get back into the game. While I certainly think all the new mechanics are interesting and all the QoL improvements are convenient, I miss the old days of WoT when T8 premiums were balanced around being T7.5. The classic T8 prems were stronger than stock T8s but weaker than the fully researched counterparts. The reason why people would play premium tanks back then was so they can earn credits more efficiently rather than be playing outright statistically stronger tanks.
I feel you left out one of the oldest premiums and one that suffers a lot: The Jagd88 is a joke You don’t have a good gun, your armor is butter to all gold and even some standard shells. You don’t have the mobility nor the camo of even the Kanonen Jpz Right now, it’s a just a big slow moving piñata for all tanks It’s just sad
I have the M41 90 GF It was a decent light when it first came out. I played a perfect light tank match in it once, Spotted all 15 enemy tanks and got all 3 awards Spotting , Patrol Duty and Scout. It was a great active spotter. But now it is to slow.
I grew up visiting this bridge every year when we went up to camp for the first day of trout, just north of Kane. Went to bobs trading post every Saturday night for ice cream. The good old days.
I like playing my Kanonenjadgpanzer 90 but most of my good games in it was probably with a lot of spotting. Years ago, with the tech tree Walker Bulldog armed with the old autoloading gun (few light tanks around tier 8 back then had an autoloading option), my other light tanks could out spot them while in the open.
I remember buying my first premium tank... The choice was between the AMX CDC and Panther 8.8. I went for the Panther and had a blast with it over the years (great gun), average tank overall. My most played tank besides T20 (US medium). The CDC was considered better overall but only for highly skilled players back then. Simpler times... Nowadays I have a ton of tanks but rarely have fun playing them.
I have the Black Dog as you called it. I want to love it but it just can not perform. Your spot on about the camo being so bad and to boot the shell velocity is just terrible. However the HE rounds have decent pen but when they nerfed HE that negated that advantage. You just have to play it like a fast and lightly armored medium. It will be out spotted every time by other lights and sometimes by mediums. Thanks for showing these old tanks alittle love anyways.
That second Primo Victoria game looked to me more like a suicide game. Such a tier 8 tank pushing like that in a tier 10 game very rarely works. Premium tanks back in the day were rarely better than the grind tanks, eg: a tier 8 prem was more a tier 7.80. As today, the prem tier 8 is more of a tier 8.5. And as you said, unless you've got the latest and greatest prem tank with an auto loader, good armour, and good speed, you're being left behind. The game these days is a less new player friendly game, and it's getting worse all the time. I think one of the best ways to help newer players, is to ban prem rounds under tier 6. It's amazing how many go seal clubbing in the lower tiers and spam nothing but prem rounds. It turns those newer players away from the game. My 3 cents. Another great video QB.
Kanonenjagdpanzer: This thing needs 380m view range in game. That would allow some more flexibility, which can make it work in soma cases. It's that simple. M41 90(Blackdog): It's not that bad really. Not much good either though. It's stats are biased because lots of "average players" play it. It is kind of forgiving tank to not completely suck... which is "success" for many "average players".
Faster and faster and faster. Ungh, yes.... yes it is getting faster. That's possibly the main reason i have a harder time than i used to, quite often i'm just a ½-second too late to fire, to pull back around a corner, to to get the heck out of there and get to a better spot, to get that1-shot red, chase it down fire, miss/bounce, reload... almost there... aaannnnnd NOPE. Someone else got him just before i was loaded.
Kanonpanzer with 90mm should be moved down to tier 7 when they added the 105mm. The Primo Victoria has massive losing rate is because the MM for that tank is actually rigged or broken. It keeps MM with losing team. I played it for rental for ten days with non-stop losing games even though I'm top of team in the front duking out against heavies. The tech tree Centurion doesn't get that type of rigged MM. My M41 90 build is have one as DPM and with Optics. My 2nd build is Max spotting using Optics, CVS in slot and Vents. 2nd can build can spot ELC trying to rush into mid bushes earlier in Prokhorovka.
I'm not supposed to agree with the idea of rigged MM but I'm legitimately confused as to how the win rate of the P. Victoria is worse than the Strv 81. It can't just be the sheer volume of potatoes in them, and given the crew and crew layout...
In your confrontation with the Char, it may have helped to move back near your original position (which you could have done safely, given cover by the dip); this may have given you a chance to bait the Char into your allies' lines of fire. That said, it may not have worked either way. Tough situation.
don't forget the VK light tank that can do nearly 400 with its HE rounds, they may not be as fast as wheeled french lights but the damage output in a top tier game is bull pat
I agree on almost everything but why are people so bad in Primo Victory i had its rental 30 battles and i won like 19 of them,everything about it is just perfectly decent not better not worse
I miss the WG League. It was around at a time I was heavily invested into WoT and also watched a lot of Esports. I actually won the black dog and an FCM 50T premiums from the prediction league stuff they were doing and was watching all the regions when I could.
I have a number of these tanks (59-Patton & M 41/90 GF) but even from an early moment (I started playing in early 2013), I regarded the FCM 50t as one of those "why bother" tanks. I had a rental earlier this year on the KanJPz.105 and that I found very underwhelming.
The only real advantage with the 59 Patton is that you can use that huge Cupola as a periscope QB and not be spotted doing it ! Lol Its super hard to do thou. You can peek over a ridge with it. There was a map they deleted I did it very well.
Yeah I have the FCM 50t, and I regret buying it, I used to play a ton of the Hellcat back in it's glory days, so I thought a big fast tank would be fun and make me a lot of credits, I didn't end up playing it much sadly, I should have saved my money on that one. I do also have the Primo Victoria, and there it's the complete opposite I love it to bits and I always have a good time with it, it's by far the best purchase I've made in WoT, it's sad to see that people regard it as bad, but hey, that means there's less of a chance it get's nerfed so works for me.
After playing for about 4 years I bought my first premium 3 wks ago: the M41 90. It's actually not too bad, as long as I don't pretend to be a light tank. What is annoying though is that the majority of matchmaking puts me 2 tiers below. I play WoT console version.
Hey can you do the worse non-premium tanks aswell, tier8-10. Also here's a idea, have you ever tryed doing a stream battle where you set training with like 8 same tanks(ex.tiger1) and 3 etc. And do some really big battles for fun in Team training. And if so do put it on youtube, i love the content ty, glhf.
I remember back in the day when artillery was significant, i got the FCM 50 T and in the first game with it i got perma tracked on a ridge by an FV304 and blind fired and killed for about 3 minutes by it. Never played it again.
For some reason I perform really good in the 59-Patton, I'm a fully average player and in 32 battles I outperformed myself by far, having 72% winrate and almost 2k WN8 (my average is under 1500). True that I mostly use it like a cheeky spotter not a proper medium. I rarely go into a situation with it that my capole even counts in the battle.
Surprisingly my old tried and true t-34-3 has been slapping in random battles still. People respect the alpha once they get hit by the thing for over 400 hp.
This Glassnonenjagpanzer is my favorite moneymaker. Does not earn that much but it's relaxing to play after a long day at work. Just find a bush and relax.
Wow! I expected the scorpion (with a c) to be on the list. Apparently it never gets played. When it came out it was the worst premium tank, let alone nowadays.
It is quite easy to prove weakness of those tanks, when you are going in oppostie direction to your whole team and trying to fight alone with no support at all. I'm "TD guy", and find Kanonenjagdpanzer as E25 of tier 8. Average pen, good reload time, HESH rounds, good camo. You need to adapt for it and KAJAPA can be quite fun TD to play.
FCM is a tank that is covered in problems. Basically... It is just a faster Tiger 1, one tier higher, with a size of a Tiger 2. For all intents and purposes, it is a tier VII vehicle that hogs a tier VIII spot. And that is a problem. Back in the day, when most premiums were preferential MM types, this thing was a good value, because it offered a tank with decent penetration for that tier, on a mobile platform. But it got powercrept into uselessness.
Back when i bought the fcm 50t, it had the second highest pen of any tier 8 premium tank, except the t34. Its sad really how they have ruined the game and the only real way to be competitive is to buy the newest premium every month
The saddest part about the Kanonenjagdpanzer is that it was already considered underwhelming when it came out. So, right now, it feels like it has absolutely no place in the game.
Yea but with how much I love the 105 I would love to get the thing just to hate it in game and not just fantasize about hating it.
@@charlesthompson866 fair enough 🤣
I quite liked it when 3 marking. I 3 marked it under 50 battles (also the requirements were low) but I liked the 105 more, which I 3 marked in 58 games. Both win ratios in the 2 are around 63%
Nah, the saddest part is it was originally marketed as a replacement to placate who wanted the E-25 back right after they first pulled it. High mobile, high cammo, low caliber, fast firing, not quite as broken though and pushed up to be s tier 8..... now is fair.... rite?
and it would be so easy to fix it. just give it the gun of the Leopard 1 and decrease the reloadtime by a bit.
Poor FCM50t... To think that back in the days, 212 was an amazing penetration value for standard ammo on a tiers VIII heavy or medium tank...
Now it's 240 or you're out of the loop
back int the days... lowe T34 and KV-5 only premiums was quite nice :)
Back in the day the clan I was in we were doing tournaments and one day several of us bought this tank on sale just to derp around having a good time, to think that was almost eight years ago and have times changed.
Fcm50t is that low on winrate only because of the shit matchmaking of preferential mm tanks. I loved it tbh and I still like it but not when I see mostly tier 9 tanks .
The FCM 50T feels like a nostalgia tank. Played right and you will be enjoying it. Holding a line solo against the spearhead is very rewarding, until the other side of the map losses spectacularly and your the only one left.
Ever since the Skorpion came out, Wargaming has been churning out ever stronger tanks without any regard to balancing them against older premiums, and now balancing is a complete farce. I am sick of it.
Simply stop playing the game
@@Swampy15 You've got a good point there, but I have invested so much time and money into this game over the years that this is easier said than done for me.
@@Swampy15 I mean a lot of players have left the game because of these glaring issues such as power creep but here we are. WG needs to make new content that gives players a reason to come back so I doubt anything will change. Prem tanks, op tier 10s, event tanks, ect in order to keep players attention.
Easy solution: just play the game but don't pay WG money. It is a free game anyway, I stop bothering with my stats (top 8% player in Asia since 2017) and stop showing them my wallet
@@blackwood4734 Yup, that's pretty much what I am doing these days. Saves me quite a lot of money, actually.
These long formats are really great.
Yes they are
Agreed
They should have just given the Kanonenjagdpanzer a much better rate of fire. Something like a more balanced Tier 8 E-25. I absolutely loved the RU251, which is the light tank of the same chassis so I was super excited when they added the TD version. Sad they didn't do justice to this cool little tank, I saw the stats and had to pass on it.
I think WG purposely set the stats at first so damn low cos they feared they would create another E 25. But yeah, that this definitely wouldn't be the case was obvious pretty much a few weeks after release. They could buff the tank now, tho. Or give it preferential mm at least, even then it wouldn't be that great of a tank.
WG feared back in the day this would be the tier 8 E25 but now how they're releasing premium tanks, this could've been the shtpk tvp 100 without the turret if they had the same mindset on premium tanks before.
Even the "improved" Kanonenjagdpanzer 105 suffers from low DPM.
@@antonio_fidalgo The 105 at least has some alpha and penetration. The Kanonenfodder 90 is like a glass cannon, but without the cannon. A glass popgun, basically. If it had DPM like the Jagdtiger 88, that'd at least be something. With its current stats, the Kanonenfodder belongs at tier 7.
@@RedXlV the 105 is a great TD but is a few seconds slower reloading than it should be and that shows on the DPM. Now they laughed that CZ thing that shots around 250 damage each 4.48 (or less with all the best equipment and consumables) they could think about taking at least a second or two out of the 105 reloading time, it is a shame the vehicle is so underpowered.
The worse thing is that WG knows those tanks are completely outclassed (the data is out there) but they still sell them without fixing them to unfortunate players. That is a scam.
If WG fixes it then will you buy new tanks though...
Yeah and? Since when is WG worried about keeping power creep from taking over the game
@@vietdoan_peter yes, and many other people would, and people would probably return to the game. look at lol, they sell skins like crazy, and they dont bring any in game advantages. People would buy balanced premiums if they were different/fun.
"..that was one of the biggest lag spikes I think I have ever seen in World of Tanks"
me: That's tuesday
*Cries in gaming on Cellular data*
Thats everyday multiple times for me.
I used to have this - replaced wifi card on laptop. Used to get lag all day long - now maybe once a month
The ripper paton once again managing to be completely forgotten, even in a video like this.
If you'retalking about the 59Patton, that tank is the second worst, but funny thing: almost 2% better than this garbage kanonen.
@@juanjodpr I believe the ripper patton is the M46 Patton KR
EDIT: the M46 Patton KR is the ripper patton
I ve bought this long time ago. By far the worst tank in tier 8, tech tree or not. In my opinion this is how the premium tank should be. You pay to skip the line and you get a bad or mediocre tank. Fair deal for me
I want 2015 WoT back...., good enough graphics, good gameplay and no completely broken tanks, Tier 8 mm was not only put together by the most broken premium tanks. Also mm was much better overall and there was no arty stun, no double barrel tanks, no weird auto reload mechanics and not that much gold spam.
Tier 8s were plagued by type 59s, mm is still just as shit and arty just onehsots you instead of a slap in the face.
Remember weak points? Good times.
I also remember maps not being three corridors. I miss Komarin, Swamp, Hidden Village... Hell, even a city map of Stalingrad had plenty of opportunities to flank around.
And no wheeled vehicles!
Because players better and tanks improved you hate it? 2015 tanks wasn't that great.. and if you can't adapt then what are you really doing playing such a game?
These longer commentated videos are great, they feel like a miniature twitch stream. Love the energy you put into them, feels a lot more upbeat than strapping in for a 12-hour stream.
Nice one, Qubes!
Edit: Not that one is better than the other; different content for different moods.
Thanks, I agree, can't sustain this for 12 hours without popping but can do it on a non stream day :)
I quit WoT in ~2018, but it´s still sad to see the T8 tanks of my era just not cutting it anymore in 2022. Especially the Blackdog, which was an amazing light back then, and the FCM 50t, which was my very first T8 Premium back in like 2014... I feel so old now >.
I'm extremely glad that QuickyBaby has shown literally the current stage of WoT in this video, 6 games with average combined damage of 1.5 k.... It literally is win or lose in 5 mins (Today our team lost 15:1 in 3 minutes and 41 seconds for real) and it's really sad, but the 15:14 or 15:13 games only appear once in 100 battles apparently :/
I mean he’s also playing the worst tier 8 premium tanks. It’s almost like with the power creep in the game that playing the worst tanks in each tier is never going to go well
Play JPZ e100 for 50 games and then play VZ-55 for 50 games. Same thing
That is the issue, I can get a good win rate and average damage in the op premium t8s while earning 10x the credits. Playing stock tanks, particularly t10, is just a waste of time and resources as a result as 90% of T8 and T10 standard tanks are so uncompetitive. They should really limit all the premiums and reward tanks to a separate cash earning mode as it has completely unbalanced the random battles game.
In the tortoisen I used to get 4k every 2 games. Won like 20 games In a row once.
Probably wouldn't have that luck anymore haha
Those were the good days ;D
That "First" game with the Kanonen Jagdpanzer was very satisfying to watch after experiencing how terrifying the TVP is. Also, you saying only masochists would play a tank like the Primo Victoria as I have just unlocked the first Centurion, oh my. >.>
It's good hulldown and sniping, but not too much else
@@g.d.graham2446 in enjoying the Caernarvon, which seems similar, so I'll post through XD
@@Daktangle Bad dpm, bad camo, bad hull armour, large size, low damage per shot, bad gun handling (fully aimed shots often miss), mediocre mobility, it's a horrible tank. Yes you have some turret armour, but it only really works against tier 8 standard rounds and whenever people are loading gold you are made out of cheese (don't even start about higher tiers). I sold mine as soon as I unlocked the 7/1... now imagine paying money to play this thing. At least 5/1 has bit better stats and hull armour.
@@BajanKorean na, the Centurion tier8 or primo victoria isnt that bad. There are several tier8 tech tree meds which are worse be it sta1, patton, panther2.
The point is that there are several prem meds which are badly balanced and just too good.
I enjoyed playing the centurion and caernarvon. The lack of alpha is disappointing, but sturdy turrets and silly rate of fire are handy, as long as you can protect your hull and pick your shots/spots. Know your role and stick to it.
Seeing a lot of these "old-fashioned" premiums perform so poorly in the current meta goes to show just how game-breaking the powercreep has gotten in this game.
no shit Einstein
I think the cause for the low winrate of Primo Victoria might be the code that anyone can use for the 2 days rental (not sure if it's 2 days tho).
Als people who like Sabaton, never played WoT, buy the tank and play 10 Games
The Primo is just as boring as Sabaton.
Stock vs stock, Bourrasque has better camo while moving than M41 90mm.
Bourrasque would be better than elc even 90 if he was light tank.
M41 90mm even when maximized, there is no better camouflage than standing still Bourrasque.
Bourrasque is better than the M41 90mm in practically all respects.
Bourrasque is a medium tank which is a light tank, M41 90mm is a poor light tank and slow medium tank.
That sums up the current state of the game overall... It's worth noting that some of these tanks were considered good at one time, but power creep has taken their toll. A few of theses are basically copies of their tech tree counterparts too...
I still have the FCM 50t, I got it when it first came out in the marathon and used to love it (played over 1000 games in it).
Picked it up again a few months ago to 2-mark it, and I didn't feel like it was that bad, once you get all the field mods and with a turbo (the 400m base view range means optics are overrated for it).... You kinda have to use it as a big dumb tank where you rush the important positions at the start with your dpm, speed and RAMMING, and do your best from there.
Honestly it felt better than something like the 25 Pilot or a T92 (the t8 light tank). At least you have the weight and dpm to rush a smaller tank and slam them down...
maybe you should try it with some friends to build a KV-5-Train. Two of those FCMs will form the engine of the mighty heavy. Boy it's so hillarious when you smash into other tanks dealing 900-1k damage without even shooting.
@@02961 And the whole platoon gets preferential matchmaking, so you don't have to worry about Tier 10s ruining your ram-fiesta.
@@RedXlV thats what the fcm used to be, 3 man toons hooning into you at speed and just dpm'ing you down while your soviet 122mm thinks about reloading
Talking about older tier 8s having trouble keeping up and low alpha, I imagine the old tech tree tanks have it even worse. I remember playing the STA-1 and it being a real struggle even five or six years ago. I can't imagine having to suffer through it now, facing off against 650 alpha damage autoloaders just at its own tier
Just finished the sta-1 - its actually so nice. Really good dpm and great gun handling help it pull through quite well.
grinding STA now.. not horrible with gold
I just finished Sta1 yesterday, and it was a horrible grind. The lack of decent DMG and/or armor is tragic.
The Type 61 which I'm grinding through now, is a bit more pleasant. Although I'm getting constantly penned in the lighthouse on top of the actual turret... Atleast the gun is decent.
I'm hoping the STB will be worth it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know it sucked working through those, but it does inform a lot of folks, about which tanks to try and avoid for the sake of just not wasting time and money on them. It sucks to go through those kind of games but again, thanks for doing it so we can be better informed. I appreciate it.
When I started playing in 2016, the most fun I got was from heavy engagements. Today heavies dont have much point in existing, they tend to be slow mediums with a lot of hp. Everything can put a hole in you without aiming. Last battle I played like a year ago, the tier X Swedish destroyer was penning my sidescraping is4 at a 15° angle....
I think another good idea for this series of videos is "playing the tier 10 collectors tanks" 113, T62A, AMX 30 B. And diving into why they were axed from the main tech trees.
The problem is that nowadays the advantages of a tank like the FCM 50t ( gun handling, dpm, speed) don't even feel like an advantage anymore because they are at the same level as 7 years ago. Now there are tanks that are better armored, have better gun handling and are faster (all in one). FCM, IS 6 and Jagttiger 8,8 were my favorite prem tanks back then. I miss those days man :(
WG knows everything as good as we do but they dont care. They stopped balancing the game. No testservers, no balancing news/updates... NOTHING but premium and reward tank spams. The only way to make a change is, either we stop giving them our money or another tank game comes out, so WoT has competition (which would be very healthy for WoT)
I saved my Kanonenjagdpanzer and after several years of owning I mastered it some weeks ago. The buff of the penetration of the 1 from I think 212 to 238mm helped, but hey didn't raise the pen of the 2. They can raise the alpha and the pen of the 2 to 280. You have more premiums to train a Rheinmetall-Borsig or a Jagdpanzer IV, then a trainer of the tier 9/10 and the Ferdinand.
I like the two swedish premium meds, I think they had to buff the pen of the 2 270 or more. Both have the problem, that they have another crew-loadout to the techtrees.
The FCM 50t suffers from the fact, that he is an old-style-prem and you have too often to fight against tier 8 only or tier 9. To trade against with 240 damage against the 300 alpha cannons will be too difficult and the the 300 alpha starts at tier 7.
The M41 90 came in my opinion, when tier 8 lights were the highest lights, at this time the were strong, but with the power-creep they lost their bite like most of the old vehicles.
Type 59 Patton can see tier 10, is one(or the only one) of the chinese with gun depression, but with the great weakpoint at his turret, which the tier 10 american medium, the m48 Patton, had too at the release time. They could reduce it to the same size of the tier 10 patton and it will be a little bit better.
Comparing the Kanonenjagdpanzer 90mm to the real tank you can see, that the WG team erred in some technical specifications. The reverse speed of the real Kanonenjagdpanzer was identical to the forward speed of 70 km/h. The Kanonenjagdpanzer never used AP ammunition. The main ammunition was "Patrone 90mm x 602 HEAT-T T300" with an armor penetration of some 360mm (against homogeneous armor). The secondary ammunition was "Patrone 90mm x 602 HEP T142" , a HESH ammunition. The real tank had a side armor of 20mm only, this is less than the virtual WG design.
I think that changing the data to the real model would make the tank more competitive.
There is a collection of Kanonenjagdpanzer in the "Muna-Museum Marktbergel" including the 105mm gun planed for the never realized update.
In War Thunder its the beast.
@removethatpfp usubhhumanssackoffshiitbbittcchh Source is: Jagdpanzer der Bundeswehr seit 1956 by Rolf Hilmes, Motorbuchverlag 2015.
Love the long format vids! Keep em coming QB!
All the new generation tanks - or new countries that have entered the game over the past three years have put the majority of older generation tanks into the geriatric (senior citizens) ward. They just can't compete. WG should think about period games; i.e. WW2 and before; cold war period; and modern. This might sort out the problem of power creep.
The primo Victoria comes as a rental with the new player code (or did about 5 weeks ago when I started playing wot). It makes sense that if you have actual noobs playing it semi regularly it will bring the win rate down.
Good to see Patton KR so close to the most shameful position.
Every time I take that crapheap out (way more than I can justify) I feel like I'm handicapping my team no matter what I do.
Compared to the P2Win bullshit premiums I'm ashamed to take on to the field, it's like playing a completely different game.
Panther 8,8 is another tank I've played more than I should, and is just a liability - even if the gun accuracy's kinda comfortable.
The idea of grinding out field mods on either - heartbreaking misery.
I stopped playing because as an average player there's no fun to be had anymore because of all the broken premiums.
Maybe it is not the opponent's tank but ur skill which is the problem here
Excellent video QB! I'm laughing with you at the frustrations you discuss at the end... 😁
love the reset at 9:15 haha
I love this guys series
I'm actually surprised on the MoE requirements for the 50b, given that it is a pure support tank, unforgiving to mistakes, rarely gives the players chance to craft a play.... with such a high skill cieling, I expected it's 2nd MoE expectation value to be around 2800 - 3000 dpg but it still stands at ~3500 dpg.
That number is something I don't understand
It's played by great players that only fire premium. That's why the MoE is hard to get.
@@aitnaw5516 premium does take that tank to another level. Higher shell velocity, 330 APCR vs 257 AP.
I was around 92% in my 50b but I gave up after having to basically shoot only prem and average 4K+ just to break even. My best tank is actually the fv215b heavy back in the day when it’s dpm was meta in cw. Would like to see the expected damage for the 3rd mark considering it’s out of the game now.
I still argue the m41 90 is still very good. I've recently 3 marked it, don't set it up as a scout you want to just maximize it's gun
Good to see QB having the same luck as me with the lag spikes. It just happens a lot more often with my service provider.
When I'm in the second line it's not as worrying, but when I'm at the frontline it's game over most of the time unless I'm reversing behind cover when the lag happens.
Haven't played in years but I still watch QB's vids and sometimes feel an itch to get back into the game. While I certainly think all the new mechanics are interesting and all the QoL improvements are convenient, I miss the old days of WoT when T8 premiums were balanced around being T7.5. The classic T8 prems were stronger than stock T8s but weaker than the fully researched counterparts. The reason why people would play premium tanks back then was so they can earn credits more efficiently rather than be playing outright statistically stronger tanks.
kudos to you QB for enduring this pain and keeping your wits about you! some of the games were pretty good!
I feel you left out one of the oldest premiums and one that suffers a lot: The Jagd88 is a joke You don’t have a good gun, your armor is butter to all gold and even some standard shells. You don’t have the mobility nor the camo of even the Kanonen Jpz
Right now, it’s a just a big slow moving piñata for all tanks It’s just sad
I have the M41 90 GF It was a decent light when it first came out. I played a perfect light tank match in it once, Spotted all 15 enemy tanks and got all 3 awards Spotting , Patrol Duty and Scout. It was a great active spotter. But now it is to slow.
M46 KR and 59-Patton are some of my fav tanks. They do command a lot of patience, but rewards from time to time.
I truly love these videos like this! Keep them coming!
I grew up visiting this bridge every year when we went up to camp for the first day of trout, just north of Kane. Went to bobs trading post every Saturday night for ice cream. The good old days.
Well done rap eminembaby! That restart was epic lol 😅
I like playing my Kanonenjadgpanzer 90 but most of my good games in it was probably with a lot of spotting.
Years ago, with the tech tree Walker Bulldog armed with the old autoloading gun (few light tanks around tier 8 back then had an autoloading option), my other light tanks could out spot them while in the open.
9:14 QB, if this streaming life doesn't work out you can definitely sell some used cars or waterbeds.
I might be wrong but wasn’t the KanJpz supposed to be a tier 8 E 25 when it originally came out
I really like the Centurion 5/1, it is one of my favourite tier 8 mediums
I remember buying my first premium tank... The choice was between the AMX CDC and Panther 8.8. I went for the Panther and had a blast with it over the years (great gun), average tank overall. My most played tank besides T20 (US medium). The CDC was considered better overall but only for highly skilled players back then.
Simpler times... Nowadays I have a ton of tanks but rarely have fun playing them.
Same here, went to CDC and have more than 400 battles in it
Those really were better days
@@oimeunomeevitorr same, og cdc gang :')♡
Got exams tomorrow, can’t wait to get home and watch this!
How dare qb show my win rate on the thumbnail
“Glass canon” hahaha you wish or else you would’ve dealt with the Char. 4
“Glass …. Glass, yes”
I have the Black Dog as you called it. I want to love it but it just can not perform. Your spot on about the camo being so bad and to boot the shell velocity is just terrible. However the HE rounds have decent pen but when they nerfed HE that negated that advantage. You just have to play it like a fast and lightly armored medium. It will be out spotted every time by other lights and sometimes by mediums. Thanks for showing these old tanks alittle love anyways.
This video was a roller coaster of emotions
How does the M41 90mm have such a low win rate, I find it to be a fantastic tank, although I do play it more like a stealthy medium.
That second Primo Victoria game looked to me more like a suicide game. Such a tier 8 tank pushing like that in a tier 10 game very rarely works.
Premium tanks back in the day were rarely better than the grind tanks, eg: a tier 8 prem was more a tier 7.80. As today, the prem tier 8 is more of a tier 8.5. And as you said, unless you've got the latest and greatest prem tank with an auto loader, good armour, and good speed, you're being left behind.
The game these days is a less new player friendly game, and it's getting worse all the time. I think one of the best ways to help newer players, is to ban prem rounds under tier 6. It's amazing how many go seal clubbing in the lower tiers and spam nothing but prem rounds. It turns those newer players away from the game.
My 3 cents.
Another great video QB.
"What am I doing with my life"
That sentence pretty much just sums up your whole channel
Kanonenjagdpanzer: This thing needs 380m view range in game. That would allow some more flexibility, which can make it work in soma cases. It's that simple.
M41 90(Blackdog): It's not that bad really. Not much good either though. It's stats are biased because lots of "average players" play it. It is kind of forgiving tank to not completely suck... which is "success" for many "average players".
Faster and faster and faster. Ungh, yes.... yes it is getting faster. That's possibly the main reason i have a harder time than i used to, quite often i'm just a ½-second too late to fire, to pull back around a corner, to to get the heck out of there and get to a better spot, to get that1-shot red, chase it down fire, miss/bounce, reload... almost there... aaannnnnd NOPE. Someone else got him just before i was loaded.
Kanonpanzer with 90mm should be moved down to tier 7 when they added the 105mm.
The Primo Victoria has massive losing rate is because the MM for that tank is actually rigged or broken. It keeps MM with losing team. I played it for rental for ten days with non-stop losing games even though I'm top of team in the front duking out against heavies. The tech tree Centurion doesn't get that type of rigged MM.
My M41 90 build is have one as DPM and with Optics. My 2nd build is Max spotting using Optics, CVS in slot and Vents. 2nd can build can spot ELC trying to rush into mid bushes earlier in Prokhorovka.
I'm not supposed to agree with the idea of rigged MM but I'm legitimately confused as to how the win rate of the P. Victoria is worse than the Strv 81. It can't just be the sheer volume of potatoes in them, and given the crew and crew layout...
or just play E25
"I had as much fun as a trip to the dentist" perfectly summed up experience lol, those powercrept tanks are so sad these days !
I feel like the KanonJagdpanzer should have PMM.
Oh, absolutely. It should also get a significant reload buff.
In your confrontation with the Char, it may have helped to move back near your original position (which you could have done safely, given cover by the dip); this may have given you a chance to bait the Char into your allies' lines of fire. That said, it may not have worked either way. Tough situation.
I love the 59-Patton, bought it a few years ago and have always liked it that and even though it’s bad It’s goofy
LOL poor quickybaby torturing himself for our enjoyment XD this was funny to watch but I feel the dentist pain haha
don't forget the VK light tank that can do nearly 400 with its HE rounds, they may not be as fast as wheeled french lights but the damage output in a top tier game is bull pat
i like the raw and honest footage :)
Pro & funny, that's why I like you. 3 prem tanks I traded them; Primo Victoria with Lansen C, KV5 (167 pen) with Strv V1, & T34 with super Pershing.
KV5 is good tho
I agree on almost everything but why are people so bad in Primo Victory i had its rental 30 battles and i won like 19 of them,everything about it is just perfectly decent not better not worse
I miss the WG League. It was around at a time I was heavily invested into WoT and also watched a lot of Esports. I actually won the black dog and an FCM 50T premiums from the prediction league stuff they were doing and was watching all the regions when I could.
Great video. I like the long video with multiple tanks
I have a number of these tanks (59-Patton & M 41/90 GF) but even from an early moment (I started playing in early 2013), I regarded the FCM 50t as one of those "why bother" tanks. I had a rental earlier this year on the KanJPz.105 and that I found very underwhelming.
I'd love to see another Frontline vid on the snow map QB!
The only real advantage with the 59 Patton is that you can use that huge Cupola as a periscope QB and not be spotted doing it ! Lol Its super hard to do thou. You can peek over a ridge with it. There was a map they deleted I did it very well.
Yeah I have the FCM 50t, and I regret buying it, I used to play a ton of the Hellcat back in it's glory days, so I thought a big fast tank would be fun and make me a lot of credits, I didn't end up playing it much sadly, I should have saved my money on that one.
I do also have the Primo Victoria, and there it's the complete opposite I love it to bits and I always have a good time with it, it's by far the best purchase I've made in WoT, it's sad to see that people regard it as bad, but hey, that means there's less of a chance it get's nerfed so works for me.
After playing for about 4 years I bought my first premium 3 wks ago: the M41 90. It's actually not too bad, as long as I don't pretend to be a light tank. What is annoying though is that the majority of matchmaking puts me 2 tiers below. I play WoT console version.
8:25 trying to explain how the armor is bad as the tracks eat a jagdtiger shell
Hey can you do the worse non-premium tanks aswell, tier8-10.
Also here's a idea, have you ever tryed doing a stream battle where you set training with like 8 same tanks(ex.tiger1) and 3 etc. And do some really big battles for fun in Team training. And if so do put it on youtube, i love the content ty, glhf.
I remember back in the day when artillery was significant, i got the FCM 50 T and in the first game with it i got perma tracked on a ridge by an FV304 and blind fired and killed for about 3 minutes by it.
Never played it again.
of course the one premium i have (kanjpz) is considered one of the worst, great video 👍🏿
I like to see you do crappy QuickyBaby, it reminds us mortals that even the gods are mortal too :) lol
Love the restart!
For some reason I perform really good in the 59-Patton, I'm a fully average player and in 32 battles I outperformed myself by far, having 72% winrate and almost 2k WN8 (my average is under 1500). True that I mostly use it like a cheeky spotter not a proper medium. I rarely go into a situation with it that my capole even counts in the battle.
I actually like the KanJPz 105, super-fast around the battlefield for sure.
thats happend me each game.....in tier 6 i get tier8 games...in 7 i get tier 9 games and in 8 tier 10......WG don't like me.....and MM is broken
Type 59 Patton was my worst purchase decision in the game. Glad I traded it back in.
Surprisingly my old tried and true t-34-3 has been slapping in random battles still. People respect the alpha once they get hit by the thing for over 400 hp.
This Glassnonenjagpanzer is my favorite moneymaker. Does not earn that much but it's relaxing to play after a long day at work. Just find a bush and relax.
I like Chinese tanks and care for them. The WZ-111 5A is great and 121 used to be a great meme machine. 113 used to be good too.
that reset bit was actually funny
The only good thing going for the KanJpz is the ammo speed is blistering fast
Wow! I expected the scorpion (with a c) to be on the list. Apparently it never gets played.
When it came out it was the worst premium tank, let alone nowadays.
I remember when the Black Dog came in it was great, but I've not played it in years as it sucks now.
It is quite easy to prove weakness of those tanks, when you are going in oppostie direction to your whole team and trying to fight alone with no support at all. I'm "TD guy", and find Kanonenjagdpanzer as E25 of tier 8. Average pen, good reload time, HESH rounds, good camo. You need to adapt for it and KAJAPA can be quite fun TD to play.
quick intro is fantastic do it more oftenly
FCM is a tank that is covered in problems.
Basically... It is just a faster Tiger 1, one tier higher, with a size of a Tiger 2.
For all intents and purposes, it is a tier VII vehicle that hogs a tier VIII spot. And that is a problem.
Back in the day, when most premiums were preferential MM types, this thing was a good value, because it offered a tank with decent penetration for that tier, on a mobile platform. But it got powercrept into uselessness.
God I miss bombing around in a 10round bulldog. That GF 90 just seems so sluggish compared to what I had going.
16:00 World of Tanks 2022, ladies and gentlemen
Back when i bought the fcm 50t, it had the second highest pen of any tier 8 premium tank, except the t34. Its sad really how they have ruined the game and the only real way to be competitive is to buy the newest premium every month
On Blitz we have the M41 90 but it's Twister cup which was our equivalent, black too just with a different logo