LANDCRUISER 200 series vs PRADO 150 Off road | Which 4WD is better!? | What do we break? | Goat Road
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2020
- In this video we enter the South-west region of Western Australia and put our 2014 Toyota Landcruiser 200 series Sahara and 2014 Toyota Landcruiser Prado 150 series GXL to the test on some hard tracks.
These vehicles are primarily built for touring and towing, but how far can they really go when they are pushed to their limits off-road.
With rain throughout the week prior to our arrival, the ground is wet, rocks are slippery and the bog holes are full. Do we make it out of the region without damage?
We put the Prado's traction control, the 200 series crawl control and our winches to the test to get our vehicles to the other side.
One of the harder tracks attempted in this video is known as 'Goat Road/Goat track' and for good reason. It was narrow, steep and slippery, much better suited to Goats than our 3t Landcruisers.
All of the tracks featured in this video are in and around the Wellington State Forrest and Wellington Dam area. There is so much to see and do in this area and would highly recommend it to others passing through the area (just maybe not Goat Road itself...)
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Nerves of steel...very technical trails all whilst explaining “why” to to wife and kids. Well done. Greetings from CA.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the video.
Cheers, Nathan.
Mindblowing, to see what’s possible with only slightly modified Toyotas. Crazy driving skills. Thank you for sharing this!
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback and glad to see you enjoyed the video.
Cheers, Nathan.
Really enjoyed this. Thanks
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it!
LOL your audio disconnected at the same part of the track as mine did but you went the other way, love that track, we are doing it again soon with some big wheels ;P
Haha, your not focussing on audio when your balancing on 3 wheels...
Awesome track, lets hope it doesn't get blocked off anytime soon.
Cheers mate.
Tough track that one mate, well negotiated 👍
Thanks mate 👍 Certainly was an interesting one!
Cheers
Great vid Nathan. Very capable vehicles for touring setups. Prado surprised me. Thats about as extreme as I'll take my 200. Set up for touring also. Bit of damage done to both vehicles yeah? Wish you showed us your 4X4 selections in the cabin. Would of tied in nicely with your earlier vid. Cheers. 👍👍
Cheers mate 👍
I was very happy with how both vehicle performed, like you said they are specifically designed for touring, not these tracks.
Luckily the damage was only cosmetic. Side steps on both vehicles, scratches to rear bumper on 200 and rear passenger door on the Prado. I also found out my winch isolator had failed when I needed it 🤦♂️
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind for the next trip vid 👍
Cheers
Love the machine gun sound made by the 200's crawl control.
I never use it in the 150, prefer to use my foot.
Yeah, it's a noisey system. To be honest, I don't use it often, was trying to use it a little more on this trip. It definitely works well and allows you to be able to focus on the line you want to drive.
Cheers, Nathan.
thats the abs doing its thang.. the hardest part is training your brain to take the feet away from the pedals.
Loving these videos, so glad I found your channel. My next car will be a 150 Prado 👍
Thanks mate, glad you're enjoying the videos. Hopefully you'll enjoy the content to come. Welcome to XploringOz.
Cheers, Nathan.
So will mine!
Very impressive video. Tough technical track. I keep getting surprised by the Prado. Looks like a woman's car with the Victorian fireplace grill, yet can handle a lot more than you think it would. Damn impressive driving.
Thanks mate. It was an interesting track. Reviewing the lines prior to driving and taking it slow were the main techniques that got us through problem free.
The Prado has definitely surprised me over the years. It is far more capable than most people think.
Thanks for watching.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thank you for sharing these videos, Looking to buy the 2021 Prado for family and light offloading.
Thanks mate, I'm glad you enjoyed them.
The Prado really is an awesome vehicle. All the best with your new vehicle!
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Hi Nathan what’s your view on the new Prado engine the 2.8l revised for the 2021. They claim the DPF has been resolved. Do you have any thoughts?
@@jag5695 Hey mate, so the engine itself is nice. I'm lucky enough to be able to drive these almost daily for work. They are responsive, quiet and powerful enough for the size of the vehicle. My hesitation was and has been the DPF. It would appear that they have fixed the issues for the most part, but time will tell.
Good video. Looks fun. Id prefer to do goat road in a solid axle vehicle tho. Ifs makes it look down right dangerous lol.
Next video idea..... rock slider install 😉😂
Cheers mate, it was good fun. You and me both, but nevertheless, I was very impressed with how both vehicles behaved given they are setup for touring and towing...
Yeah, was trying to avoid that, but I reckon we are up for 2 sets of rock sliders...
Enjoyed the video guys. Prado with a few mods would be up there with the 200 except for the sexy v8 of course. Kakadu with factory diff lock and terrain control would be a better match. Some good technical driving from both .
Cheers mate. I'm glad you enjoyed the vid!
For sure, the Prado is an extremely capable vehicle for what it is. I'd say just the ability to fit some larger tyres on the 200 definitely comes in handy for tracks like this.
The multi-terrain select traction control aids on the 200 series very also very handy.
Thanks for watching mate
Cheers, Nathan.
I just love Toyota. Amazing thing. I have lc120. 2006. It just works nicely.
Couldn't agree more! These vehicles have been awesome for us and love the way they perform.
Thanks for watching.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hey there I’d really like to see the Prado take the way all the way, I always think first vehicle has the best run! Just to show it’s real potential 👍
For sure, it can make the difference sometimes, will keep in mind for next time 👍
In this instance though there was just a lack of clearance, the Prado’s smaller tyres didn’t quite up the difference.
thanks for watching 👍
Enjoyed the welfare concern comments from the back seat got to love it 👍
Haha, yeah. I don't think the kids have any idea what we are driving through, but they enjoy it for the most part anyway.
Thanks for watching, Nathan.
nice video i think u guys discover a new country ........
Thanks mate!
Love your videos.!
I’m planning on buying a 4x4 and I love both of these beasts.
How do I narrow my decision between these two?
Hello, really a nice nice video and I think that due to the track both vehicle are really doing fine. Did you compare the fuel consumption of the two? The v8 is a beast and the sound is awesome by the way
Thanks mate, appreciate those comments, it's good to hear you have enjoyed the video.
So we didn't do fuel consumption test on this particular track, however I used to own the Prado in the video, prior to upgrading to the 200 series. The Prado will roughly get about 2/4\ litres per 100km better fuel economy than the 200 in most styles of driving.
Thanks for watching!
Cheers, Nathan.
Great video, difference looks tire size/clearance an multi terrain. Ever used MT tires instead?
Thanks mate. The 200 definitely had an advantage with the larger tyres and bigger clearance.
I have used MT tyres on a previous vehicle and although they work well and look good, they would be overkill and expensive for what we primarily use this vehicle for at this point.
Cheers, Nathan.
I also have a 2014 gxl 200 series, and it usually leaves prados behind. I say usually, even with crawl control and being last on a chopped up greasy track behind 7 other cars... I have had to winch once or twice. Getting a bit of wheel lift due to the IFS is normal i have found, however, the traction control makes up for any loss of traction in most situations in my experience.
For sure, I have been super impressed by how well the traction control on both these vehicles performs. Especially that in the 200 series. Being a Sahara model it comes with the multi-terrain select which alters the sensitivity of the traction control, it really does make a difference and makes the tracks look easy.
Don't mind a bit of wheel lift, even when comparing to a 70 series cruiser, they don't flex much more than these two...
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz ..I just posted some 4x4 stuff i did recently with a few young blokes on my channel. Pop over and have a look when youre bored ( thats not a blatant chan ad by the way ) .. you can see open diff vs a 200 and what not... you get the idea.. Glen.
For sure mate, I'll check it out.
@XploringOz Nathan, may I ask if the 150 has any suspension works done?
Hey mate,
So the Prado is running a standard 2” lift kit from ARB. 0-250kg constant springs in the rear (with airbags). Nothing too fancy 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
What lift does the 150 has
And the tyre size ?
Great videos. I have a 2.7 gasoline prado, 2011 model (I don't live in Australia). Engine is just ok for city driving, but not so great for heavy offroad driving like in your videos. So much under powered. I am assessing if I should buy top of the line prado with central and rear diff and kdss (diesel engine 3L or 2.8L or gasoline 4.0L v6) or land cruiser with same features (4.0L v6 gasoline. V8 is not an option because of price). All the options are available in my coutry. In addition to under poweredness, body roll problem is another big problem with prado. People in the rear seat become sick while I drive fast offroad. I was wondering if prado with kdss would solve this problem. But, after watching 2 of your videos, I have decided that I should choose land cruiser anyway.
The 4.0L V6 petrol engine is a great and reliable engine and also has a little more power that the 2.8L diesel.
I hear you when you talk about the body roll though, KDSS would definitely assist with that. Having a hydraulic assist swayer system definitely assists the body roll issue.
Also, having twin front and rear differential lockers definitely significantly increase the vehicles performance off-road.
@@XploringOz Thanks for your reply.
How about 200 series buyers guide video? My wife and I are currently in the market and are looking at all our options including interstate? Any tips and advice would be appreciated.
Good idea mate, I’ll add it to a list of future video ideas. Can’t say when it would be released at this time though. 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
It seems that big brother is just that touch better, or maybe it is the aftermarket mods? You guys drive it, what is your take on capability of the two?
Yeah, look with these two setups the 200 series is probably a little more capable.
The fact that the 200 series has multi-terrain select traction control and the ability to have larger tyres fitted with less work are massive advantages.
The Prado has one big advantage and that is it's size and weight. For these small tracks the Prado was definitely more nimble and able to squeeze between the rocks and trees and little easier.
The 200 series wins for clearance, traction (traction control) and power.
It really depends on what application you looking at using the vehicle for, but I was super impressed with how both these vehicles performed on the day.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hey does your LC or Prado have rear lockers? Does it make difference or is the traction control really good ?
Hey mate, so neither of these vehicles have front or rear lockers. Both the vehicles are running a standard traction control system, however the LC200 is fitted with the 'multi-terrain' select programming as it is the Sahara model. The traction control systems on both these vehicles is really good.
wow. you don't see many top of the line LC200's used like that. Well done on great content.
Thanks mate! We try and use the vehicles for what we built them for.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, cheers.
Nathan.
The Prado seemed to have KO 2 tyres but I couldn’t make out you have on the 200 series? What type type and size you running?
Hey mate, so yes we run BFG KO2's on both these vehicles. The 200 is running a 305/65 18 size (33.6" metric).
Cheers, Nathan.
One tough track. Would this be the tightest technical track in WA? Good drive
It would definitely have to be up there with the more technical drives. I think it would be the most technical track I have driven in the 200 series.
There are harder tracks out there, but often have go around a or chicken tracks. This track is single lane and you have to be prepared to tackle the obstacles.
Going the reverse direction would be more difficult again.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz sounds nasty and knarly. But I'm up for the challenge
@@customcraftnadventure Nice, looking at your channel looks like you have the vehicle for it! Good luck
Great video ! What are the tire size of the prado ???
Thanks mate. So these tyres are a 265/70 R17. You can go a little bigger with a 2" lift, but this is a sensible option for touring as well.
Cheers, Nathan.
XploringOz thanks mate! Quick question I think they come stock with 265/65 instead of 265/70. Do you feel any changes other than the height? Thanks
Hey Mate I know your Toyota through and through but could you please do a similar test with a Pajero Sport. TIA🤞
Hey mate, if I find someone who is willing to take their Pajero down the tracks we take ours down I will definitely do a review.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hi Nathan. Im from Sri Lanka. With 34/35 " tyres on the LC 200, did u do any speedo correction ? Also any power upgrades ? Tks
Hey mate, so I haven't done any speedo correction on this vehicle. It's about 5 km/h out at 100km/h. So it's not too bad.
I do have power mods now, but I ran these tyres just fine for about 1 year on stock engine and driveline without issue. The cruiser still drives very well.
Now running twin 3" dump into single 4" exhaust, ECU remap, trans remap and transmission lockup. Now it really moves!
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz thank u so much for ur response. Do u think a ECU remap is better than Uni chip or Safari ECU? Tks again cheers
@@dameshdesilva4422 so there are a couple of considerations to take into account for engine tubing. Hopefully I’ll get a video out explaining these in the future, but I went with ECU remapping. I found this better for my application.
@@XploringOz tks Nathan, pls keep posting ur videos on the 200 series LC
I prefer Prado over Land cruiser, because Land cruiser is about 800 kg heavier and also bulkier and larger. So despite having the V8 engine, Prado seems to be more agile for off road.
I understand mate. All these things are compromises. There is no doubt that you feel that extra size and weight of the 200 series on a track like this, especially because this track is no one where speed or high power is required.
However for myself, having that power is perfect for towing heavily loads and more comfortable highway driving.
Thanks for the comments, Nathan.
Yep, for sure
Any thoughts on the 2.8 177 hp Prado vs. your 3.0?
Personally not a huge fan.
I drive the 2.8L every day for work and the extra power isn't overly noticeable.
What puts me off the 2.8L is the large volume of issues with the DPF filter. Although these problems were more prevalent in the early days, it concerns me with how much it would cost to have these filter replaced in the future, after new car warranty expires.
I completely understand that the 3.0L engine is not perfect or without fault, however it has proven itself to be a very reliable motor.
I like both cars , but i have a couple of questions , i am used to full size trucks , i had gmc sierras and chevy silverados in the past i never had issues with storage but never tried an suv how is the storage ? Should i be concerned , i am from the middle east all we have is desert and sand dunes , so i am thinking of either the new tahoe z71 or Prado or lc200 , will storing my stuff be a problem?
It's going to be a bit hard to comment on this as in Australia we don't really have access to those big trucks that you do. I'm sure many Australian's would love them though.
Because we are so used to the size of our vehicles, it makes it easier. In Aus, the 200 series is one of the biggest wagons on the market.
Although we could always fill the room with more stuff, it makes up really think about what we need for trips away and pack in an efficient and smart way.
All the best with your decision.
@@XploringOz yea we are so lucky lol the only place who gets all the toys i think only middle east gets both LC70 and american trucks , which makes a decision so much harder both reliable as hell especially toyotas and GM trucks and thank you so much💙
@@aal-m3545 Definitely a lucky place! I wish I had those choices here in Australia!
Very nice
But if you have MT tires probably will be much better
For sure, MT would be nice, but they don't make them in the size I'm running on the 200 series and just wouldn't suit either vehicle overall given the type of use and touring needs.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great video!
What was the tire pressure?
Thanks mate 👍
I was running low 20’s on the 200 series and I believe the Prado was running mid 20’s.
Cheers, Nathan.
What tyre pressures were you guys running?
Between 15-18PSI
Can you put some more adds in please
What is the engine's displacement for both vehicles?
The Prado is a 4 cylinder 3.0L turbo diesel, the LC200 is a 8 cylinder, 4.5L twin turbo diesel.
Great video love it #toyotaprad66
Cheers mate.
Does either have ATRAC? Mine does and it never spins 1 tire. It will spin both if I'm pushing it up an obstacle. Mines a gx470 with the gas v8...
Also I traveled half OZ in a diesel hilux. That thing was a utilitarian beast.
Hey mate, yes both of these models have the factory ATRAC. They are great systems, however the 200 series in this video also has the MTS (multi terrain select) which has proven useful throughout some of these tracks.
Isn’t there a rear locker in that Prado? Doesn’t look like he was using it if there is one.
Negative. No rear locker in the 2014 GXL model.
No rear diff lock standard on the Prado?
Not on this 2014 GXL model. I believe they do come with the newer models now.
Nathan the 200 seems so much more capable to drive off-road man; am I mistaken due to driver experience/ability or would you say the 200 is a far better/easier vehicle to drive off-road than the Prado mate??
Hey mate, so the 200 series is a seriously capable vehicle and I would say that it is easier and more capable in certain scenarios, like the ones shown in this video.
The 200 series selected traction control (multi terrain select) helps immensely when driving over varying terrain and the ability to fit larger tyres also gives that extra wheel clearance, evident when the Prado got stuck on the muddy hill climb.
Saying this, the Prado is lighter and this can also be an advantage in certain circumstances as well...
Which one you think better off roading on sand
Lc200
Or
Y62
Not sure if I’m in the position to make comment on that. I haven’t driven a Y62 on sand. Saying this, the power output of that petrol V8 would be a huge advantage.
I’m sure this will open up a lengthy debate haha 👍 Cheers
@@XploringOz haha thanks
Yer man in the Prado doesn't seem to have a clue which way his steering wheel is pointing.
so where abouts in the South west is this, maybe a way point...
So all these tracks were within the Wellington States Forrest, no too far from Collie.
I'll work on getting some way points uploaded onto the video. Thanks for watching.
Cheers, Nathan.
Have you ever tried cooper at3 tires?
I sure have. Had them on my GU Nissan Patrol. Wasn't a massive fan, didn't like the amount of damage that the sidewalls sustained. Harsh rocky terrain also appeared to wear the sidewalls down, where as I haven't noticed that kind of wear and tear with the BFG's.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Cheers Nathan for the review !
Greeting from Ardross WA !🙏
150 looks to have a small tyre on it effecting ground clearance ? we run 265/70/R17
Yeah, the Prado isn't running anything too large. It also has the 265/70 R17 as well. I did very well considering the modifications it's running and the terrain we were travelling.
Cheers, Nathan.
Cheers just gone back to KO2'S after trying KM3'S
@@Ardventures Interesting to hear that. I've always considered the KM3's for a future set of tyres, but always seem to go the conservative option with the KO2's. Can I ask why you returned to the KO2's?
@@XploringOz always ran KO2'S in the past, we run to Morocco, Europe and Balkans all year from the UKrunning treks and having read the reviews and RUclips decided to give them ago. Then lockdown and only been in the UK for 10k which is not what they were made for. So fitted KO2'S back and its transformed the vehicle much better all round which is what a all terrain should be. Fitting the KM3'S on the Discovery 2 now I have found some 17" wheels for the D2, and will use they on this vehicle which is just used at our 4x4 training ground and UK green laning. Best of both worlds in a mad world 🌎 in the past always run Land Rover or Jeeps, first Toyota and it grows on me everyday. Opened a Facebook page Toyota Land Cruiser 150 UK Group, please join. Russ
@@Ardventures Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm thinking I will just stay with the KO2's, they do seem to be the ideal tyre for what I do. Although the KM3's are probably more suited for the rough terrain, unfortunately there is so much sealed road's between trails in Australia, we need a tyre suited for longevity on both styles. Thanks, Nathan.
I would shite my pants if was driving @6:53
Haha, there was some big wheel lift there! Got there in the end 👍
Got a lift on that Prado?
Sure do. It's just a standard 2" ARB Old Man Emu Nitroshock suspension system. Nothing overly special, but does the job well.
Did u pick all the worst lines possible when shooting this video?
Not much choice along this track. The camera just doesn't do it justice, but most of this was slippery steep clay and mud. The track decided where you were going. Being single track, we didn't have a huge selection.
It was awesome fun though!
Little bit more momentum. Floors it. Lol
How much did you pay for each of these cars if it’s ok to ask just to have an idea for what’s the good price to spend on similar cars :-)
So these are definitely on the more expensive side of things. Toyota always charges a premium and all the gear is good quality stuff. The Prado totals about $65k and the 200 series about $110k.
It would be much cheaper in many other circumstances like higher km’s, older vehicles and less or cheaper accessories.
@@XploringOz thanks for the reply 🙏when you say ‘totals’ is it with the modifications and government charges or without?
Do you think these are reasonable prices please.
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Yes, so this is total with all the modifications. Fitting the modifications won’t add much value to the vehicle, so keep this in mind.
The good thing with Toyota is that the vehicles have a very good depreciation schedule. They hold their price very well and are very easy to sell.
Those vehicles seem to be at a relatively average market price. Keeping in mind COVID has played a part is disrupting vehicle prices locally at the moment.
Hope this helps somewhat. Cheers,‘ Nathan.
@@XploringOz wow so you had got a really good deal on prado back then. Considering it had done less than 20k kms. And only 1 year old in 2015. Looks like I am better off waiting for couple of months for better deal then. Looks like $45k can only buy 5-6 years old with plenty kms on the clock here in Perth.
@@binaystha6 For sure, it was a good deal then. I think that our current health climate has definitely played a part in disrupting value in the 2nd car market.
Has the 200 got 2 inch lift?
It sure does, it just doesn't look like it when it's running the 34" tyres. Since this video I have had the front suspension adjusted so there is another 1" or so of lift there...
@@XploringOz oh no I knew it had lift haha, just wasn’t sure if it was 2 or 3 inch. I’m getting a 2in OME lift for mine soon and probably chucking 33’s on
@@devinb3397 Yeah, just a 2". Technically ARB list it as a 2" front and 1" rear lift, however the real world results are far from this in my experience. Your vehicle would probably end up looking a lot like this.
Cheers.
No diff locks?!
Negative. Don't need them. Got through everything without them.
@@XploringOz So, with front and rear lockers they’d be insanely capable...
@@DaciaProject Yeah, it would take it to another level. But in all honesty, unless your ok crawling all the time, people who use their vehicle like me (still frequently off-road) would struggle to get the value from them.
@@DaciaProject Front lockers will break your cv joints if used aggressively.
Imagine if the Prado had double live axle would be 4Wd’ers dream such a shame besides JIMNY and not many cars do it anymore :
Yeah, it would definitely make it a lot more comfortable off-road, but at the price of on-road handling too. I guess everything is a compromise.
@@XploringOz can agree mate it makes it more comfy touring I assume but I have a patrol and tbh I’m tempted to go for Prado 90 3.4 petrol! So split it’s strictly the ifs that puts me off that’s it , such a nice rig but for touring
@@OZOZOZ968 I like the good ol' 90 series Prado, great vehicles. I hear your dilemma, I guess it just comes down to how you plan on using your vehicle and choosing the best vehicle to suit.
Cheers.
Personal opinion: I just feel the IFS is not good for this stuff.
For sure, I completely agree. If you wanted a dedicated rock crawler then solid axles, twin diff locks and rear steer is the way to go.
I was super impressed with how these vehicle performed on this track given they are both built as touring 4WD's that tow caravans. Given how heavy they are and the 'modest' modifications, both vehicles still made it out the other side only bearing minor cosmetic damage.
Cheers, Nathan.
Solid axles are built for these stuff. But let's face it, the 4wd market are slowly phasing out the solid axles.. Only a handful of them left.
Ifs are still as good, if fitted with the right gears and toys.