Was Henry VIII The Father To His Niece And Nephew?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The FORGOTTEN Illegitimate Children Of Henry VIII and Mary Boleyn
Henry VIII is remembered mostly in History for being a King who had 6 wives, and also executed two of these. However his greatest desire throughout his reign was for a son and for a male heir to pass the throne to after his death. He got this in the form of Edward VI, but he did have an illeigitmate son who he showered it titles and lavish gifts. Henry Fitzroy was the son of Henry VIII and Elizabeth Blount, and he was given a dukedom, and was given the title of the Duke of Richmond and Somerset. Fitzroy was celebrated across the royal court, and Henry VIII was very proud of him, and the King made it known that he could produce a male heir, and many believed that he may have been preparing to make his illegitimate son the successor. He may have even tried to legitimise Fitzroy by marrying him off to even his half sister the future Mary I. But the King’s most famous mistress was Mary Boleyn, the sister of his future second wife. But there has been a significant amount of mystery regarding Mary Boleyn and whether two of her children, Catherine and Henry Carey were actually fathered by Henry VIII, and there was much speculation and gossip about the fact Henry VIII may have been the father of these two Boleyn children. But what is the story of this?
All the women in this era were named Catherine, Mary, Jane, Elizabeth or Anne.
That wouldn't work, because when the English were determined to have a protestant royal family, they hunted about Europe and settled on William of Orange.
So the present family is largely Germanic, with a sprinkling of English through Elizabeth Bowes Lyon and Diana Spencer.
The fact that 3 of his wives were Cathrine and the other 2 Were named anne
Henry was dead by 1590. That’s a glaring mistake.
I’ve always wondered why they were married so briefly. He never gave her time to produce a male heir. He seemed to want her dispatched pretty swiftly for some reason.
Henry had many illegitimate children. He made most of them Duke and Earls. The girls were married off well.
He did not have many illegitimate children only Henry Fitzroy.. he did not make them dukes and earls.
Interesting and intriguing video. I'm a descendant of Catherine Carey/Knollys. It's been speculation that he left to be with Anne because Mary Boleyn was pregnant.
As much as I love history and history videos. These are getting repetitive. It's the same stuff over and over. There are many royal families in Europe's past you could do stories on.
I was just thinking the same
Yes I agree. I already know everything there is to know about King Henry.
Mary Boleyn is my 13th great grandmother. Her daughter Catherine is my 12th.
Same ancestors Catherine is also my great grandmother and also Kate Middletons
Hello cousin! Mary is my 13th great grandmother via Anne Knollys who’s my 11th great grandmother through her son Sir John West.
The fact that Henry Carey lived to the age of 70 and male bloodline continued without the problems of Henry VIII suggests they were not his descendants 😅
Henry Fitzroy on the other hand dying at 17 and not having any children seems much more likely to have been an actual male child of Henry VIII.
why?
It’s already known Fitzroy is his son. He was publicly acknowledged as such. That’s why he’s called Fitzroy and had the titles he did.
Logically there would no way Henry could acknowledge Mary Boleynes children if he wanted to marry Anne. That would have blown his divorce argument against Katherine of Spain to bits.
Judging people from the past for their brutality is like a teacup chihuahua, who is carried around in a designer handbag, judging a wolf. Or a fat, lazy housecat judging a lion.
We have zero idea how brutal times were back then when people beheaded babies and stuck them in the oven and raped and killed women and took hostages and killed innocent people because of religion...
Oh, wait.
Well, crap, that just happened and hoards of people cheered for those brutal murders.
So...
Sorry.
Never mind.
Perhaps, if we could just learn from the past and stop sanctimoniously judging, we wouldn't be so ignorant as to repeat it.
But, the human race seems to be doomed to repeat the bad things over and over and over and over again.
I'd recommend Alison Weir's book on Mary Boleyn to anyone interested on another view of this subject.
It’s highly unlikely they were Henry’s. There’s a small chance Catherine could have been, but the timeline does not line up for Henry.
Also if Henry were his, he would have claimed him.
Henry was desperate for a male heir, I’m inclined to agree with you.
He couldn't claim him as the people would of classed his son a basterd as child was born out of wed lock
@@nadinehills8638 my opinion, Henry was desperate to show that it wasn’t his fault, yea, I can produce male sons.
@@nadinehills8638 he claimed Henry Fitzroy
@@Normanandremy he never legitimised his son Henry
The fact that Henry did not ‘claim’ the Boleyn children seems to plague historians and frustrates everyone. The man vacillated on his moral obligations; legal, religious, and political. Being raised from the cradle to become the nexts Archbishop of Canterbury and suddenly shifted to King left him unprepared for having to straddle the mark differences in their stewardship roles leaving him with a Jekyll and Hyde conundrum. The results being consistency was never his strong suit especially when it came to parenting. With the exception of Edward VI, all other offspring were relegated to the role of illegitimate children. Who knows what might have happened to that status had Jane Seymour lived. Fickle, thy name is Henry VIII. (Now that’s a scenario you rarely hear discussed.)
There's a simpler explanation for why Henry didn't claim Mary's children. Mary Boleyn was already married to William Carey when Henry took her as his mistress. I doubt Henry could ever have been certain William wasn't the children's father. If Mary herself knew differently, she was content not to say and allow them to carry her husband's name. If William suspected they weren't his, he was equally content to let matters rest. Though I do wonder if William would have accepted Henry's bastard son as his heir if he'd suspected the baby wasn't his.
@@suzzannegabel1636 I can agree with your simpler, to use your word, explanation at face value if this was a singular incident for him in his court. Sadly it is not. As much as they proclaim their legal and religious sanctity of marriage, it was worthless when greed raises its ugliness. Sadly, it was not only common place but encouraged to disgustedly reward men at court for the privilege of entertainment with their wives, mistresses, concubines and sisters with land and title payments for the women’s ‘services rendered.’ There is documented proof that these children were not the first of his ‘illegitimate’ children that he had reared in such a manner, especially the girls. Nor was Henry the first King to practice this vulgar behavior. King Charles II had a dozen illegitimate children , many he also gave the surname FitzRoy. ( translates to ‘son of a king’) same as Henry VIII. Also like Henry he gave up the naming pretense as the births began to accumulate. All was well with the Mary’s first birth of a girl, Catherine. things began to unraveling with the birth of a son she named Henry, which is not a name used in the Carey family, and The King already had a Henry (FitzRoy). The next disheartened fact comes from Mary herself. She was banned from court and then financially ruined when she married a second time to penny poor William Stafford. She simply got tired of being the family’s cash cow or simply refused to be ‘pimped’ out by them after her sister and brother executions. At lease she didn’t loose her head like her siblings which was a possibility with one wrong move. Same tactic Henry used The ultimate price she payed was to be banned from seeing her children. Same tactic Henry used when he forbid his daughter Mary from seeing her Mother, Catherine of Aragon. Mary Boleyn Carey did the only thing she could do to protect her children from being used as she had been used - for financial profit and manipulation by a reprobate quickly spiraling out of control. The additional fact is she had an affair with the King of France when he also got bored of her, resulting in being sent back to England and the not-for-love arranged ‘spoiled goods’ marriage to William Carey. It was all for pretense and saving face for both Kings which didn’t stop him from persuading her to after her marriage. Her less than virginal status eliminated her from being a queen candidate her Sister Ann understood all to well. One would like to believe she had a wholesome relationship with Carey and the children were his, but all their despicable behaviors say differently. Supposition in the movies is one thing, legal documentation, which is tedious reading on a good day, shows how the rewards system for bad behavior was administered
I agree with you, but it was tradition to lay his ill-gotten children at the feet of his mistress’ husbands. It was always his move to pick a married woman or marry off an unwed mistress to someone who would be duly rewarded for giving their family name to his progeny. But both had Tudor red hair, I believe, and Elizabeth I trusted them greatly as cousins and likely siblings.
@@timefoolery Henry was more than willing to claim Henry Fitzroy as his. In fact, he flaunted the boy. Bessie Blount's husband never gave his name to Henry junior. I have a hard time believing that William Carey, if he knew or suspected his wife's son wasn't his, would have allowed a bastard to stand as his lawful heir.
@@suzzannegabel1636 do you think Henry VIII was the type of man to share his mistress with another man?
another (possible descendent here) - illegitimate apparently, seems funny there are so many of us in the comments
How could he be in a relationship with someone for five years and then marry their sister, and then allow her to become impoverished (when he had complete ability to help)
I’d love to learn more about her offspring
Of course the King loved Mary. Why do you think he hated her for marrying without his knowledge, blessings or consent?
("Sgt.J."). I, Assume Arrogance. He was bugged to get an heir. Did what he wanted. I, Understand the Boy was poisoned at the age of 13? The people hated Henry the 8th.
He was a narcissist.
You don’t have much of an imagination do ya?
@@cherylschantz9893so does Anne Boleyn a bigger narcissist, she really didn't help her only sister...
Would this not be resolved with a DNA examination of relatives and descendants of all concerned? Will king Charles and his family submit to DNA testing, or have they already conducted this and found a few dogs that jumped the fence? Women's status appears to have been basically brood mares at this time and bartered for allegiance and power.
I doubt the royals would ever make their DNA public, although if they did the guy in Australia - Simon Dorante Day - might give them a run for their money Lol
@@VMM34 My understanding is that if a King was infertile or gay, a close relative would be selected to continue the line. Our understanding of royalty would change if their were interlopers who shared the bed with the Queen without her knowledge.
Was it any different for poor Diana?
Thank you for another excellent video. I have always found it heartwarming that Queen Elizabeth I found places for her Aunt Mary’s children at court. Since she lost her mother at such a young age, I believe it was a way of honoring her memory. Of course these cousins could very well have been her half siblings but I guess we will never know for sure. Then Catherine’s daughter Lettice Knollys became Elizabeth’s great rival for the affections of Robert Dudley who Lettice married and as a result she was banished from court.
Lettice is a direct great grandmother down my line. I was explaining her relevance to my grandma, but her only comment was, "Is that lady named lettuce?" Lol
@@randyrhoadsrocks12 I still say lettuce to myself when reading!
Who was Lettice's mother?
@@rebeccaparks3511 Lettice's mother Catherine Carey, was a daughter of Mary Boleyn, sister to Anne Boleyn. Thus Catherine was Elizabeth I's first cousin, and Lettice Knollys her first cousin once removed.
Mary Boleyn was over all forgotten. Anne is famous but Mary is very underrated
there was a 'who do you think you are' programe with Josh Widdicombe and where they established he is descended from Mary Boleyn , and her daughter was a servant to Elizabeth, and indications that ER knew that they were related because when the daughter died she has been placed at Westminster Abbey.
Tell that to Kate Middleton Catherine Carey was her great grandmother and Kate is destined to be queen son day and Mary’s descendants live on
Great video as always but the background music is very distracting and i struggled to concentrate on the subject.
Whats gratifying on behalf of ill-used Mary, is that it is she, who is the direct ascendant of our current royal family!! And she was the only Bolyn to have had great, great, great grandchildren!!!
(And when you think of impressive Elizabeth 1st (emanating from sister Anne), those 2 Boleyn girls had a PROFOUND effect on centuries of British royalty!!!
Kate Middleton is Mary’s great grand daughter so the last laugh is on the people who insult Mary Boleyn prince William will be king some day
Sorry Denise, but P.Catherine is not Mary Boleyn's descendant! The line went down to Elizabeth Bowes Lyon, who was the late Q.Elizabeth's mother, and wife of King George,(commonly known as the Queen Mother). Therefore her daughter, the late queen, and her children, K.Charles et al, then P.William, and his 3 children, are all direct descendants!!! I think its wonderful, don't you!!!! I do hope that wherever Mary Boleyn is now, she knows what a magnificent heritage she produced!!
If Henry VIII's DNA is ever extracted, I wonder if it could be compared to a descendant of Catherine Carey?
Compelling fascinating informative video on the unknown children King Henry VIII and Mary Boleyn it further proves that Henry had a extremely complicated love life outside of his famous six marriages
Anne Knollys and Thomas West are my great grandparent’s maybe a DNA test will prove it
Me too
Me too. I've done a DNA, familytreedna... "Family Finder", in the Harris Project.
Me too
Is it not true that claiming an illegitimate child was one thing, and claiming the child of a married woman was quite another? Some churchy business perhaps. I have heard or read that Henry Carey (the child) grew up in Hunsdon Hall, with all of the other children of Henry VIII. He was also known as Henry Hunsdon. I`m no historian so I could be repeating unconfirmed information.
Henry VIII is thought to have suffered from an X-linked genetic disorder, as well as having rare blood type (Kell). It would explain Henry's health conditions, as well as the multiple miscarriages, and lack of healthy male babies. The rare blood type would make it unlikely that he could father a second child with any woman due to immune sensitization of the mother from carrying the first child (similar to Rh positive/negative situation causing blue babies). Given this history, I would consider Catherine Carey to be the sibling most likely fathered by Henry.
That's so interesting 👍
Yes, it seemed impossible that his two wives couldn’t carry a healthy child to full term after the first born. His only legitimate son didn’t last long nor did his other male offspring. Mary nor Elizabeth had any children to see if the problem continued.
Couldn't agree more...add several STDs into the Mix too 🤮
"Warts n all"
@@Cunning.Stunt7”warts and all” is a quote from Oliver Cromwell. You’re off by a few years, mate
@s_nunyabiznez lol not intentionally trying to be accurate with anyone, just an innuendo of a specific std 😝
Thanks though! Every day is a school day. 👩🏼🎓
My husband is descended from Thomas Fitzhenry Stafford. Fitzhenry means “son of Henry”. Thomas should not have had this name since his purported dad was named William. Could this be another child of Henry?
Even if Henry VIII was the father of Mary Boleyn Carey's children, the fact that she was married to William Carey made Catherine and Henry Carey legitimate by English law.
William Cary was the legal father. According to your legal reasoning a married woman can give birth by any man and it is legitimate. It doesn't matter who the actual father is.
@@brucebowman6866 Unless the husband makes a formal claim in court that a child is not his, has convincing proof with witnesses to the infidelity or witnesses that he was not in the area when the child was conceived, and gets a verdict in his favor, it is his legitimate offspring.
Both of these children were born after Mary married William Carey - there were advantages to Henry VIII to approach married women for mistresses, and there were advantages to the husbands to be blind to the affair. Carey was granted manors and estates by the king while the affair was in progress.
He died greatly in debt, and his wife was reduced to pawning her jewellery before Queen Anne Boleyn arranged a pension for her.
If Henry had acknowledged Mary's children, he wouldn't have been able to marry anne. The Catholic church would have never allowed it. He couldn't shake the church even after he split the country from Rome.
Once Henry became head of the Church of England, he also took over all Catholic Church properties/income in England-and the Catholic Church became pretty irrelevant to him. He literally replaced the Pope with himself because the marriage was not going to be recognized unless his first wife died.
Rubbish. He was head of the church he could do what he wanted
in these days of DNA the rumours could be destroyed, Lol but i bet it will never happen, lest the rumours proved true.
If henry acknowledged his illegitimate son by blount as Henry was desperate for sons it makes no sense that he ignored the children of mary as his. No proof of the continued liaison post 1520.
He wasn't attempting to marry her sister so there would be no conflict with the church.
She married for love below her station A big no no
I'm 50/50 with Henry and Catherine being Henry VIII's offspring. The affair between Henry and Mary was probably over before she became pregnant for the first time, and was certainly over by the second. Even if the affair wasn't over, Mary was married, and the children could easily have also been her husband's. I don't think Henry would have had an affair with Mary that length of time as he got bored quickly with women he had affairs with, and Mary was no Anne in terms of intelligence and witt, according to what I have read. Henry was fixated by Anne due to her intelligence and charm, and that she kept him hanging on for years before having intercourse with him.
Henry also didn't acknowledge either Catherine or Henry as his bastards, whereas he did with Henry Fitzroy. (Although this could be due to timing with his relationship with Anne).
It is very unlikely that either child was sired by Henry, especially if their affair started in 1519. It was probably over when she married William Carey, but definitely over before her first successful pregnancy. History doesn’t record if Mary had any miscarriages before 1524. Considering Henry’s poor record of siring healthy children, that both Catherine and Henry Carey had many healthy children is a strong indicator Henry wasn’t their father.
Henry’s affairs usually did not last long. Anne Boleyn was the exception, likely because she didn’t sleep with him until right before their marriage.
Henty the 24th I am. Bullocks to you doubters. I am the King.
DNA tests on descendants? Will that confirm they’re descendants of the king?
Most historians say they never had children together
Do you think Elizabeth Bryan who gave birth to Marie de Carew could have had Henry VIII's child? Elizabeth was one of Katherine's ladies in waiting. She fell pregnant at 12 and was married off to Nicolas Carew.
Of course it is possible. The whole of England did not have access to the Queen's chambers or her ladies. This narrows the field of candidates considerably. The King could have what he wanted even to extent that he did not have to hide it from his wife or his mistress. He was notorious for having affairs. These affairs were good for the King. Keeping your mouth shut would likely be good for you. Whatever you do, keep your head on your shoulders.
At 12! Oh poor sweetie!
GREAT VIDEO🌟🌟🌟🌟It is very tragic that, back then, women were treated as objects to be used and discarded by powerful men. In my opinion, Henry VIII was a selfish, immature PERVERT who, unfortunately, held too much power. He followed his own twisted desires, and he ruined many lives in the process.
I’ve never believed that any of her children are his. She wasn’t in that long of a relationship with him. But I guess we won’t know for sure
I believe Catherine Carey was his daughter. I don't really believe Mary Boleyns son Henry was his if I'm honest
You can’t grow a RUclips channel without having a high quality microphone. Just saying.
There is no evidence that Henry was the father of Mary’s children. Stop taking (small) possibilities and spinning them as historical fact.
Henry Carey may have been the father, but obviously a paternity test wasn't done then!
I like the title of this video. A lot of people and historians are divided on whether there was any possibility that Henry could've fathered Mary's children, but I think it's obvious that he could've been a possibility for both. I think he likely could've fathered Catherine Carey if not both Catherine and Henry. (Not just staying that because I'm a descendant of Mary through her children, either.)
Interesting perspective. I see the timeline of his offspring to be more compelling that he father both or neither, but not realistically fathering Catherine but not Henry. The medical issue of convoluted genetic bloodlines by marrying an unknown sibling, sibling of a half siblings (or their half sibling ) or marrying a double 2nd cousin troubling. I did a teaching program once on not using the family reunion as a dating network using my own family chart as an example. When you grow up in a small town of 300 every one is a”kissable cousin” and shouldn’t be! I have never had the free time to research how Elizabeth CARY who married Rev. Bryan Fairfax, 8th Lord Fairfax fit into this William Carey family or no connect at all. She would be the sister-in law to Ann Fairfax, 1st wife of Lawrence Washington, who was the oldest brother to USA 1st President George Washington. But what I find most intriguing is the Mary’s Granddaughter Lettice Knollys’ husbands: Walter Devereaux, Robert Dudley snd Christopher Blount. Think what you may about the Boleyn family, Mary left some pretty impressive descendants!
Mary Boleyn is my 13th great-grandmother. Her daughter, Catherine Carey, is my 12th. There's back-and-forth over who fathered Catherine and her brother, Henry, but Catherine is said to have resembled Henry VIII quite a bit, especially as she grew older. She had fourteen children, so there are many of her descendants around. In any case, Mary was Queen Elizabeth I aunt, and Catherine was her first cousin. I love reading and watching the history of their (our) family. ❤
As there is only documentation of them hooking up once I doubt he’s their Dad. See Anne Boleyn files.
@cplmpcocptcl6306 i dont think it was once. It was definitely ongoing with the amount of elevation shown to her family before Henry ever turned his eye on Anne.
I'm decended from catherine Carey too.
I am a descendant of Mary Boleyn & Catherine Carey through Catherine's daughter, Anne Knollys who married Thomas West, 2nd Baron De La Warr. Anne & Thomas were the parents of 14 children, including Lt. Col. Nathaniel West (who was their youngest son), from whom I am directly descended. Her eldest living son (Nathaniel's brother), also named Thomas West, was the first governor of the Colony of Virginia & the state of Delaware was named for him (a variation of "De La Warr").
Then you are also a distant cousin to Martha Washington two different ways. I also suspect you Indian blood thru Nathaniel. Our genealogy splits at Nathaniel. I come thru his brother Captain Francis West.
Hello there, cousin. My name is Lisa. I am also a direct descendant of Lady Catherine "Kate" Carey, who m. Sir Francis Knollys. I descend from their daughter, Cecelia Anne Knollys m. Thomas L. West, the 2nd Lord Baron de La Warre. Their son, Thomas Richard West, 3rd Lord Baron de La Warre, was also the first Governor of Virginia. Their daughter, Martha West m. William Woodward, a Virginia Planter. Their daughter, Martha Woodward was marries 3 times, m. 1st William Biggers, m. 2nd, Gideon de Macon and m. 3rd, Nathaniel West, her 2nd cousin. My line is Anne Macon m. Charles Massie, and from this point... we have both multiplied and splintered to the winds. *S*
Im also related. My 13th great gma is Catherine. Also related to Thomas West as well ♡
The portrait of Catherine has a strong resemblance to Queen Elizabeth. It’s almost like they were half sisters.🤔
I don't think there is any evidence these kids were his.
I have never heard of any, even though I have relatively extensive studies in English History.
why the infuriating background noise ? the back noise ruins an otherwise interesting look into the private life of Henry V111 and Mary Boleyn
It’s not balanced correctly. It’s too loud in comparison to the vocal track.
I agree distracting
Sounds like guided meditation, the words are very clear (more so than this thread believes) but so is the music and that’s not quite so usual… I do however appreciate why you’ve raced to make your complaints
I have very sensitive hearing. I can hear noises and frequencies that most people can’t hear and usually only much younger people can hear. I also have auditory processing disorder, and so whenever possible, I use head and earphones (and often subtitles or ccs), but I didn’t think the background was too loud. It may have been mixed for headphones.
I watched it muted with captioning. In total agreeance, documentaries had dropped the ball with regard to music. It used to be relaxing and pleasant, if at all present.
The Groom of the Stool is the title of the man who helps the king when he uses the toilet.
Love English history...this was very informative...
English early royals were amazing...
Is there any paintings of King Henry as a young virile young man instead of the old fat King.
There are pictures of him as a young, he was considered quite good looking. I don’t know why Henry as a young man isn’t seen more.
So this means there is possibility of descendants of the Bolyne family still walking around? I thought the Bolyne family died out!
When Henry vlll died. It must have been a relief to most people. An end of a tyrant who was truly evil.. only to be ruled by his daughter who was also evil. Bloody Mary
I am descended from Catherine Carey so I have always been fascinated with the debate about her parentage.
I too am descended from her, and in my line, also King Henry…so, I think it’s true.
@@leatricewallace6223you cannot be descended by king henry he had no offspring that reproduced you could be descended from his sisters that is
all
I’m actually descended from Mary lol. I always thought it was William who was my ancestor but I guess that’s in question 😂
Mary Carey/Tutor was my 13th great grandmother.
@@DearCult45cultist I too am a descendent of Mary Carey. The illegitimate son's side, Henry Carey.
@@suzanne3669 so, we are distant cousins like ten times removed?
@@DearCult45cultist I'm assuming so!
@@DearCult45cultist I think Henry VIII is likely your great-grandfather removed by about 13 generations
Wow. I consider myself well self educated. I always overlook these folks.
All the comments saying they're descended from X,Y or Z
Mary shows up in my ancestry as my 13th great grandmother but it is within my paternal great grandmother’s lineage, where I am not certain that her parents’ names are correct. But it would cool if it is correct.
How can you tell? I would love to find out that kind of information about my family tree
@@Hailey-mx4kc through Family Search, which is a free ancestry website. Fortunately for me, my family tree has been worked pretty extensively but there’s an error in the lineage which leads to Mary. I do not know if the names after that are correct. It would be really amazing if they were, but i just don’t know.
Background music is too loud
It would be wonderful to do DNA checks on all the bones.
All it would take is DNA testing.
PIMPED HER OUT
It is basically the horrible truth
Had not heard much about Mary before. Wasn't taught about this at school
ALL children are legitimate.
Very interesting video
I for one would not have wanted to have been married to Henry
Ha ha, no-one has forgotten about these two children, and as yet no-one has proven a DNA connection! Thousands of people are descended from them that you think that at least one would be able to prove or deny the connection.
These are some complicated lives around one king. I would like to hear about kings that really loved their queen.
All indications are that Henry VII was a faithful and loving husband to his Queen Elizabeth of York. His son Henry VIII certainly didn’t follow in his footsteps in this regard.
@@Nightbird1914 You mean overlooking the fact that he married her as Revenge against Richard III and claimed her as a spoils of war? Or that she was an indifferent mother to all her children other than Arthur? That doesn’t read like a marriage made in heaven but one negotiated in a basement boardroom. His reign was always tenuous while busy roaming hither and yon, waging wars to stay home and care about what was going on there. The man believed only in the divine right of kings to rule as they saw fit and that’s the legacy he instilled in all his children. The fact that she put up with that arranged doesn’t make it a loving relationship but one where she tolerated his absence without complain. Historical novels rarely resemble documentary facts. His being indifferent to his Queen’s needs should not be equated to being respected, loving or presence in the relationship other than to occasionally show up and produce a baby. It’s easy to resemble fidelity at home when you are never there.
I think Edward the 4th and Elizabeth Woodville make for a much happier love story.
@@robertandkristinhall5006 I read that Edward had a lot of mistresses
@@mimisor66 I am sure he did as was common among Kings at the time however he obviously loved her enough to go against his advisor and marry a "commoner" making her Queen. I have also read and heard in many accounts that they had a very loving marriage. Perhaps I am also a bit biased as I absolutely loved The White Queen (even through I know its a fictionalized story of real events).
Henry Carey is my 15 great grandfather
Dear lord this isn’t even up for proper debate. King Henry was not the father of the Carey children. Historians for the most part are not divided on this. Chronology and psychology don’t allow for it. Had he been Henry would have acknowledged them as he did Richmond.
The title of this video is utter balderdash. Stop trying to turn the fan fic of the Other Boleyn Girl into historical fact
What's there others. ?? Children. From other women.
He only executed two of them not three
My second cousin is a direct descendent of Elizabeth Blount!
I didn't forget about Mary Boleyn. I was especially amazed when I discovered I was descended from her daughter, Catherine. Is Henry VIII on that tree?
Henry VIII was most likely Catherine's father, though she was never formally recognized as his bastard.
amazing how everyone on RUclips is related to Mary Boleyn
💯kudos on your work
Thanks! Very interesting!
sadly women and girls would be given the royal man
Mary Boleyn is Anthony Richard Petris' 17th great grandmother.
Anthony Richard Petris
→ Arnold Manual Dean
his father → Clinton Colquitt Dean
his father → David Harrald Dean
his father → Leonidis T Dean
his father → Jesse David Dean, Jr.
his father → Jesse David Dean, Sr.
his father → Richard Dean Rev.War Veteran Dean
his father → Catherine Or Ann Capps Dean
his mother → Robert Pearle
her father → Col. Richard Marsham
his father → Mother of Richard Marsham
his mother → Charles Suckling
her father → Robert Suckling, MP
his father → Richard Suckling
his father → Robert Suckling
his father → Alice Woodhouse
his mother → Blanche Woodhouse
her mother → Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon
her father → Mary Boleyn
his mother
loved the look of a lot of those cloths but HATE those hat things they wore
Mary was Anne's sister. Once Anne was beheaded Henry wanted nothing to do with anything related to Anne. Acknowledging Mary's children would bring his relationship with Anne back to the forefront again. It took years for him to reconnect with Elizabeth.
I don’t think Mary had any children by Henry and certainly not the son, whom, I believe, he would have acknowledged.
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4:59 what church say about that ? how sad ……….
DNA has provided clarity.
Would have enjoyed more without the music
It's just so Wicked.
😖😠😩
You might as well study and give proper credence to the Prince Tudor theory. No?
No. Prince is a title, not a name. Which prince are you talking about?
Awful music spoiled it
The comment the French king made about Anne being a mare was actually quite an insult.
She apparently did not have a great reputation.
he did not make a remark about Anne but about Mary
Oh Henry...
Mary Carey
Good story
i am also a descendant of mary boleyn and i'm sure DNA could rectify the mystery
Repulsive behavior. What a wicked "king", and he's an eye sore to boot. I feel sorry for those women. He did not know how to treat women, didn't respect them nor their husbands/marriage. Marriage is sacred, a covenant between a man and a woman. He commited adultry often, and that can make a man sterile, I believe.
dont be ludicrous
The truest statement ever!
I descend through both Henry and Catherine Carey, so I’ve always been keenly interested in the paternity of the pair.
Do you think the siblings Catherine and Henry Cary had relations that produced offspring which in turn produced one of your great grandparents ? It puzzles me how you reason that you are descended from BOTH.
@@brucebowman6866 My family is heavily into geneaology all my life and I've been going to the genealogy library since I was in elementary school. On one of my paternal lines, I descend through Henry Carey's daughter Philidelphia Carey and her husband Robert Scrope , 10nth Baron Scrope of Bolton (a cousin of Philidelphia's through her Howard kin). On another line on my maternal side, I descend through Catherine Carey and her husband husband Sir Francis Knollys' daughter Lettice Knollys who married Walter Devereaux, first earl of Essex. I descend through Lettice's daughter Dorothy Devereaux twice over, the repeat occuring on one of my paternal line. Dorothy Devereaux and Philidelphia Carey are both 13th great grandmothers to me.
If you can get your family tree back 14 generations and connect to the lesser gentry you will find all sorts of characters from history. about 25% of all Americans descend through Edward III (and 80% of all British).
@@Glorindellen Mary Cary did not ever marry Sir Francis Knollys. You have been making innocent mistakes with names. BTW I am also a West from Utah. And a direct descendent of both. We know who Mary married. Please consult your chart and note who Knollys married. I think it was Catherine, Mary's daughter. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@brucebowman6866 oops, you are right. I mistakenly mixed up the names of mother Mary with her daughter Catherine, who married Francis Knowllys. That's what comes of binge watching videos all night.
Howdy, Cousin!
I am a descendant of Mary Boleyn thru her son Henry Carey and possibly Catherine Carey Knowles thru some descendant who was six generations down. I don't know how accurate some of these family trees are, because they seem to magically jump around once in a while. I believe that all the modern British Royals are descendants of Mary Boleyn thru her children. Many of Henry VIII's Tudor court were my ancestors and aunts or uncles or cousins. Including my ancestor George Plantagenet who was Henry's uncle, making me a first cousin many times removed from Henry VIII, and his siblings. Some day maybe DNA testing will be accurate enough to untangle some of these family mysteries.
There's one thing that you got wrong.... I can tell you this with certainty of fact because I'm a descendant of William Carey Mary tutor Lancaster York ancestry... William Carey was the legitimate male Heir of the crown of London not Henry. But this is why Henry was King so that the real crown could be hidden... This means that the illegitimate line was the legitimate line. It's why Henry approved of the marriage between Mary and William. Once Elizabeth took over the crown then the Carey line came over and started founding the United States because Elizabeth was illegitimate through her mother's annulment to Henry. Thus the crown was stolen and a new order had to start. E pluribus unum a new order. The Royal House the Royal Family didn't even have the last name Harold until the 1800s. My heraldry goes back to the 1600s. It's from the Carey line. The predominant male heir bloodline rightful crown of London and for that matter founding the United States King of the United States as well also lancastrian House of Valois. French crown. George Washington was from this particular Branch as well through Elizabeth De Vermandois.
Weather the ‘crown’ was stollen or not given is still a debatable intent verses law semantics for which historians continue to disagree. For descendants it’s definitely a personal matter. As to G Washington, you are correct, it became both. When discussing the title for the supreme leadership role, one succinct statement he made said it all, “We are done with kings!”
@@lindawitowski5652 that's not what the Constitution says.... The Constitution enshrined it into the First Amendment constitutional rights right of religion free exercise thus divine right of King. They left at the clause in case a future generation would ever have to invoke it if the constitutional republic should ever be overthrown by before an entity such as the liberal Democratic party. They're very principles on which London was founded and exist was a republic. Room operated for a thousand years as a republic in the name of democracy it failed, the United States is only about 250 years old. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The United States has to return to a constitutional republic to survive and thus is why divine right of King is a clause in the United States Constitution First Amendment free exercise right of religion divine right of King is an absolute Authority the return of King.
@@BretCoreysFilms Correct. My point wasn’t to exactly explain, per your response, but to generalize for those who are more familiar with the phraseology I used. It’s nice to see others offering a more detailed information than I was reluctant to expand upon. I actually posted yesterday to a family member that exact point but used the Karl Mark quote. (TY: I really enjoy the this type of dialogue because it inspires knowledge not limited opinion.)
Some of this you can only state as fact based on historical record. Here is a sad fact, "might equals right". That's how Henry VII got the crown from Richard III. Then factor in false paternity events. YDNA has already proven Richard III is not who he thought he was. What about the rightful young king (brothers) who disappeared from the Tower under uncle Richard's care? There is a lot of information on these subjects. For you.
I defer with you on one very important fact. There has NEVER been a king of the United States of America’s. There were descendants of Royalty and Peerage that migrated to the British colors often referred to as the New England. Very few remained after the American Revolution and left before it as most of the Carey family did. That they have pre 1776 descendants s living in the USA is undeniable. The legality and legitimacy of who should be king today can be debated all the way to Edward I with regards to legitimacy of a child while married to someone else. His descendants include some alive today living in Australia.
My very best friend was descended from Mary Boleyn. She looked quite a bit like Cathering Carey.
Mary Boleyn was never a mistress of the french king, it has been proven many of times. yes, the was a letter and yes the French king referred to someone not necessary to Mary as an english mare. Please stop spreading lies.
I had never heard she was formally a mistress of Francis, but was a rather casual affair, of which he had many.
Being her 12th great grandson, it would certainly explain my hedonistic behavior in my 20’s. Consequentially, I used to call my drinking, eating and carnal escapades: Henry the Eighthing
Why the obsession with Henry Tudor?
Jeyn, I would like to offer some personal incite on that question. For most historians, it is because his name is first synonymous with the disastrous personal life decisions. Consequently it overshadows and his name is rarely mentioned for the many positive professional/political contributions he accomplished during his reign that had a lasting effect not only for the United Kingdom but other emerging nations. As just one example, when the United States of America was writing its constitution, it took great care to define what is generally referred to as the ‘separation of state and church’ principle for governing. There are other examples but that’s a discussion subject for a different video.
Remember the movie Braveheart? Mary's descendents are also descendents of. King Edward I. Not to mention the Dukes of Norfolk. And other Nobles and Royalty. I find it facinating
@@brucebowman6866 I have never seen it. Will have to locate a copy now out of curiosity. Like most historically based movies, the first time I see a grievously misrepresentation it spoils it for me and I turn it off. To much of a Dragnet-Sgt. Joe Friday personality. “Just stick to the facts, ma’am” is why I prefer documentaries’ although they now take to many liberties as well.
I have met many parents with one ore more children with orange hair where neither of the parents have orange hair. Sometimes the child or children look like one or more of the grandparents. Red is not a natural hair color. Even though many people use the term red to describe the one’s hair color. The color is actually orange. When a person dyes one’s hair red instead of orange, the color does not look the same.
I had never thought of it that way! It is actually orange. Hence my son refers to people with that color as “gingers.” I hope this is not offensive to anyone. Orange cats are also called gingers. My grandfather was a “redhead” as was my husband’s father. I told my son he missed chance of inheriting that trait as there are several descendants on both sides who were lucky enough to have. My son’s hair is coal black. There are people with auburn hair who are considered redheads.
True. But that doesn't change the fact that my mother's boyfriend had orange hair and so did my brother who was conceived at the time of the affair.
Another way to describe this is the motto that came with my heraldry Manu Forti, Hold with a firm hand.
The English royal family didn't have a last name heraldry before 1917...
Arms of Corey motto is Manu Forti a Firm Hand... These arms were issued by James I in 1612 confirmed by Charles I in 1637 Norwich England. Two centuries before the "royal family"... Corey is the predominant line of the real crown.