I like to clarify that Kamp Amersfoort was indeed a camp for political prisoners, Americans and Jews, but they were not detained by the Dutch government, but by the Nazis during WWII. I don’t think you mentioned that. Before the war it was a Dutch army camp with barracks for the troops and the German occupiers changed it into a concentration camp, forced labor camp and transfer camp.
I remember reading about such acquisitions in "Dutch Girl", a biography of young Audrey Hepburn, who lived in Arnhem during WW2. It also spoke of the fierce Dutch resistance against the Nazis and how the Dutch hid the very same ppl in their homes.
There were also Russians. They were all murdered by the nazis. There is a Russian cemetery where they are burried. My family used to go there on Remembrance Day, for the moment of silence. That was very impressive. The silence starts with the last pose, that always gave me goosebumps. An uncle of mine escaped from kamp Amersfoort
@@blueskygal255 in my family there is this story: my grandmother was hiding people. At a certain moment there was a razzia, and all that people had to go underground. But one of those had to cough. So my mother and her 5 other sister tried to make as much noise as possible. One started with vacuuming, another did a very laud dishwashing, and one of them started to play the harmonium. But she was so nervous that the only thing she could think of, was to play our National anthem. Luckily the Germans searching the house said they feel sorry for my grandma with all that daughters, and went away. According to my mom it was possible they had heard the coughing but didn’t want to do anything. She always said that the Germans weren’t the bad guys, the nazis were. My family was in the resistance, and as a kid I always felt I missed all those adventures they were talking about on family gatherings. They sounded so exiting.
I think there is a big rock in town, but only from research. Its probably near the Rock Brewery or at least where the brewery got its namesake. I might be there next week. Maybe I will find the rock!
Nice to see my hometown through your eyes. I loved the Amersfoort facts. In the summer you can make a walk with a tour guide. Tickets can be bought at the VVV Also in the summer you can make a trip with a bote through the inner city. Called the Waterlijn. You can buy tickets for that in the Krommestraat Nice vid. Keep up the good work
Being from Amersfoort myself, but living in the States, I am so glad you guys did a video of Amersfoort. It still is my favorite city in the Netherlands, and will always make a point to visit it when I am back in the Netherlands! I love your channel btw!
We used to have a charming train station, but it got torn down around 1990, I think. It's a shame but I also understand that they had to scale up and that it wasn't enough anymore.
Dear Tracey and Travis, The last ice age ended more than 10,000 years ago. The glaciers provide push moraines (such as the Utrechtse Heuvelrug) and erratic boulder rocks. One of those rocks was towed to Amersfoort in 1661 and gave the city the nickname Keistad. That's why the brewery you visited is called Rock City. If you visit Kamp Amersfoort, you can combine it perfectly with the former airfield Soesterberg, which played an important role during the Cold War when the Americans where stationed at the airfield. Today, that military history can be found in an exciting and interactive way in the beautifully designed National Military Museum. The old runway is now the widest cycle path in the Netherlands!
I'd definitely recommend you guys to visit the 'Achterhoek' region! It's a beautiful, more rural part of the Netherlands that has a lot to offer :) Mondriaan and his family moved there when he was around 8 years old. You can visit their home (which functions as a museum nowadays), as well as several locations where he painted some of his paintings.
Absolutely! The museum in Aalten is also very much recommended, or visit the book town of Bredevoort. If you go to Winterswijk, also don’t miss the ice cream at Talamini!
Nice video. Too bad the last 20 seconds has no audio. I love Tracey’s facts. Always good to learn some history. P.s Good job caring about Eric and Tammy after what happened ❤❤❤
Arnhem has to be on top of your list! Good vibes, fashion, Artez Univerity of Arts, SONSBEEK PARK best City Park in The Netherlands (Vondelpark in Amsterdam: eat your heart out). History (A bridge too far: WWII). Life is good in Arnhem. Must see: Eusebius Toren, Rozet Building, Focus Cinema (open air movie nights under the stars in Summer time...) Dudok Appeltaart, deck chairs at the Rijn, great architecture Central Station, near to The Veluwe, the Posbank, trolley buses unique in our country, cosy shopping areas. Stay the night at Hotel Molendal. The list is endless. Have fun! Ellen
❤ nice video! But when you travel 10 km north ( buslijn ) you will find a charming fishervillage, Bunschoten- Spakenburg. My hometown!😊. Get a visit there!
Ah! You've been to my hometown! You are right about The Blueberry. It is 'American-ish'. I'd rather have breakfast at an IHOP or Denny's even though those are chain restaurants. The Blueberry is way too expensive and the portions are getting smaller and smaller while prices surge. You'll need to make more time to see a lot more of Amersfoort. But you've seen the historic center which I think is beautiful.
Great video as always! I'm so happy that you went a little further East this time;-) Amersfoort also has a nice Zoo which is situated just outside the city with lots of nature surrounding it. It's a popular city to live in, because it is so cosy/beautiful, but also due to the easy access to every part of NL. Less overwhelming/busy than Utrecht, but almost just as centrally located. For the first time I don't have a lot to add!😅Hope you have a wonderful week and more visits to the East and North are planned!
Amersfoort is beautiful! Almost as beautiful as Enkhuizen 😂 (my brother might disagree, since he lives in Amersfoort 😉😂) Fun to see Amersfoort from another point of view! (I usually just go straight to my brother's house 😊) April 1st the season starts here again 😊 If you ever come this way, let me know! I'll give you some tips and ideas on what to visit! I work at the tourist information centre and would love to give you some info 😊 Would be best to visit on a nice day, and also visit the outdoor museum. (Zuiderzeemuseum)
Great video, great sound, great images! I have been to Amersfoort countless times... but never seen the beatiful ancient heart of it. My mom lives in Amersfoort Noord so I visit alot. She told me she used to live in one of the houses that was built into that ancient defence wall when she was a med student! I will follow in your footsteps, thanks for showing the way!
Oh no, you went to the Mondriaanhuis! I grew up in Amersfoort and had to go there twice, both in primary school and in high school and it felt like torture. My mom thought I was exaggerating but agreed after she visited it herself xD But maybe they have made it more interesting since then (last time was probably 2008 or so)
Ha, Tracey loves art and art history, so it was a must-do for us. Though I don’t think we’d feel the need to visit again unless there was a very special exhibition.
Love to have seen you visit my beautiful hometown Amersfoort. It’s always nice to see the city from someone else’s perspective and in my opinion it has one of the most beautiful and best preserved medieval city centers in the country. The Onze Lieve Vrouwetoren is the 2nd largest in the Netherlands after the Domtoren in Utrecht and Nieuwe Kerk in Delft. Fun fact, it’s nickname is Lange Jan (Long John).
Nice video. My mom lived in Amersfoort for almost 30 years. I have visited so very often. As a rec: The Louwman Museum in Den Haag is the place with one of the most beautiful automotive collections in the world.
Though we had relatives living in Amersfoort, they didn't live in the centre, so I don't remember anything of the city, besides the famous 'Amrsfoortse Kei' (a Glacial erratic). Wonder if you came across it.
Nice video .. well edited .. your 'uitspraak' is really improving. I love that everything's time stamped. Suggestion: Maybe you could type the names you're referring to on the screen itself (Muirhuisen, Koppelpoort, etc). I didn't quite catch the other most famous resident of Amersfoort's name (Johan van Olden???). The video cut off abruptly at the end .. 🕊
Johan van Oldenbarnevelt That is his full name. Google that name Johan van Oldenbarnevelt (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈjoːɦɑɱ vɑn ɔldə(m)ˈbɑrnəvɛlt]), Heer van Berkel en Rodenrijs (1600), Gunterstein (1611) and Bakkum (1613) (14 September 1547 - 13 May 1619) was a Dutch statesman and revolutionary who played an important role in the Dutch struggle for independence from the Habsburg Castilian Empire.
Amersfoort is very charming. I’ve been there a few times. A great place to walk around, eat some nice food & get a nice drink! @Travis is it possible I saw you in Alphen aan den Rijn last Thursday? The moment you passed me I thought I recognized you. You were going towards the train station I think. Passing the church at the parking lot behind Hoogvliet in the center. Enjoyable video as always!
Lovely video again. Fully agree that the entrance of the city is terrible when you come by train but the centre gives you everything you were promised. By the way, Domtoren in Utrecht 112 meters high and the Onze Lieve Vrouwentoren in Amersfoort only 98 meter.
@@Beun007 hahaha, het station zelf is prima maar als je buiten komt is het een winderig tochtgat met veel lelijke gebouwen. Geen uitnodiging om verder te kijken. En dat is dus wel de bedoeling.
There is a little hill in Amersfoort called ‘het galgenbergje’, little gallow hill. It’s close to road from Utrecht to Amersfoort. I used to play there a lot when I was a kid. People that were executed, because they broke the law, were hang on those gallows until they fell of. As a warning for people, coming into the city, not to break the law. This hill was actually a prehistoric burial mound from long time ago. So beneath our playing foot must have been some skeletons. And I never saw a ghost there, it’s so annoying. These dead persons are so typical Dutch, not to do some creepy stuff. 😠 Your fact about the Neolithic roots triggered this comment
Well, I like Mondriaan up to a point. Sure you instantly know the colours. Sadly what the any of the meaning is got lost in translation, to me that is. For me he should have stopped simplification. The painting Bloeiende Appelboom, in The Hague, would be the end of the simplification. But that is just me.
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Did you know almost all train stations in the Netherlands were destroyed in WW2 by American and British bombs? That is why they rebuilt it in the fifties with ugly small stations. And they were replaced with bigger modern in the nineties and later.
This one was very nice, but they destroyed it in the late 1980s ore begin 90s When I lived at “ the Stationsstraat “ in 84 there were nice buildings from the late 18th century
Contrary to what some people say here, I would not do the boat tour. as a born and raised Amersfoorter I can tell you that they give a lot of information that is not correct
When you arrive in Leiden by train you wouldn’t think it was so historical either. The station of Leiden is very modern and rather ugly and impractical if you ask me. The buildings next to it are modern too. It’s only when you investigate more that you’ll see the centuries old city.
Kamp amersfoort was where my great grandfather was held captive im 1944 , he wrote a small book about his experiences , and how People from beverwijk where held hostage after the murder on a collaborator . The rose garden brabed wire fence was where inmates where tortured or had punishment exersizes . from early dawn to late in the evening , either standind still or doing swedish exersizes . hand in 90 degrees infront of you and squating up and down . If you fell or couldnt do them fast enought they would beat the crap out of you with knight sticks . a verry nasty camp in deed . with vucht and westerbork even beeing worse .
I like to clarify that Kamp Amersfoort was indeed a camp for political prisoners, Americans and Jews, but they were not detained by the Dutch government, but by the Nazis during WWII. I don’t think you mentioned that. Before the war it was a Dutch army camp with barracks for the troops and the German occupiers changed it into a concentration camp, forced labor camp and transfer camp.
Thank you so much for that addition, it’s so important to note.
I remember reading about such acquisitions in "Dutch Girl", a biography of young Audrey Hepburn, who lived in Arnhem during WW2. It also spoke of the fierce Dutch resistance against the Nazis and how the Dutch hid the very same ppl in their homes.
There were also Russians. They were all murdered by the nazis. There is a Russian cemetery where they are burried. My family used to go there on Remembrance Day, for the moment of silence. That was very impressive. The silence starts with the last pose, that always gave me goosebumps.
An uncle of mine escaped from kamp Amersfoort
@@jannetteberends8730 Respect. May they all RIP.
@@blueskygal255 in my family there is this story: my grandmother was hiding people. At a certain moment there was a razzia, and all that people had to go underground. But one of those had to cough. So my mother and her 5 other sister tried to make as much noise as possible. One started with vacuuming, another did a very laud dishwashing, and one of them started to play the harmonium. But she was so nervous that the only thing she could think of, was to play our National anthem.
Luckily the Germans searching the house said they feel sorry for my grandma with all that daughters, and went away.
According to my mom it was possible they had heard the coughing but didn’t want to do anything. She always said that the Germans weren’t the bad guys, the nazis were.
My family was in the resistance, and as a kid I always felt I missed all those adventures they were talking about on family gatherings. They sounded so exiting.
Nice vid. Thanks T&T for being so sweet to Eric and Tammy, after his ❤️attack!
❤️❤️❤️
I think there is a big rock in town, but only from research. Its probably near the Rock Brewery or at least where the brewery got its namesake. I might be there next week. Maybe I will find the rock!
What a city. I will visit it for sure
Nice to see my hometown through your eyes. I loved the Amersfoort facts.
In the summer you can make a walk with a tour guide. Tickets can be bought at the VVV
Also in the summer you can make a trip with a bote through the inner city. Called the Waterlijn. You can buy tickets for that in the Krommestraat
Nice vid. Keep up the good work
My hometown too, I want to say the same of the waterlijn. You guys walked a lot in one day! 😊
Being from Amersfoort myself, but living in the States, I am so glad you guys did a video of Amersfoort. It still is my favorite city in the Netherlands, and will always make a point to visit it when I am back in the Netherlands! I love your channel btw!
We used to have a charming train station, but it got torn down around 1990, I think.
It's a shame but I also understand that they had to scale up and that it wasn't enough anymore.
Great! Very well done.
Nice video, guys! Amersfoort is one of my favorite cities here. So charming. 😊
Dear Tracey and Travis,
The last ice age ended more than 10,000 years ago. The glaciers provide push moraines (such as the Utrechtse Heuvelrug) and erratic boulder rocks. One of those rocks was towed to Amersfoort in 1661 and gave the city the nickname Keistad. That's why the brewery you visited is called Rock City.
If you visit Kamp Amersfoort, you can combine it perfectly with the former airfield Soesterberg, which played an important role during the Cold War when the Americans where stationed at the airfield. Today, that military history can be found in an exciting and interactive way in the beautifully designed National Military Museum. The old runway is now the widest cycle path in the Netherlands!
Thank you so much for sharing!
I was born and raised in Amersfoort. It warms my heart you’ve been there.
We absolutely loved it. What a great place to grow up in!
I'd definitely recommend you guys to visit the 'Achterhoek' region! It's a beautiful, more rural part of the Netherlands that has a lot to offer :)
Mondriaan and his family moved there when he was around 8 years old. You can visit their home (which functions as a museum nowadays), as well as several locations where he painted some of his paintings.
Absolutely! The museum in Aalten is also very much recommended, or visit the book town of Bredevoort. If you go to Winterswijk, also don’t miss the ice cream at Talamini!
Nice video. Too bad the last 20 seconds has no audio. I love Tracey’s facts. Always good to learn some history.
P.s Good job caring about Eric and Tammy after what happened ❤❤❤
Michel Baek: ?? What happened to Eric and Tammy?
@@LindaCasey i’m talking about T and T’s support after Eric had a heart attack. ❤️
@@MichelBaek Oh, I didn't know .. I hope he's alright. Was het lang geleden?
@@LindaCasey hij heeft het erover in zijn laatste video. Hij weet nu hoe goed de Nederlandse hulpverlening is. ❤️
@@MichelBaek Merci 🌹
Arnhem has to be on top of your list! Good vibes, fashion, Artez Univerity of Arts, SONSBEEK PARK best City Park in The Netherlands (Vondelpark in Amsterdam: eat your heart out). History (A bridge too far: WWII). Life is good in Arnhem. Must see: Eusebius Toren, Rozet Building, Focus Cinema (open air movie nights under the stars in Summer time...) Dudok Appeltaart, deck chairs at the Rijn, great architecture Central Station, near to The Veluwe, the Posbank, trolley buses unique in our country, cosy shopping areas. Stay the night at Hotel Molendal. The list is endless. Have fun! Ellen
Yes Amersfoort is a very nice town, not dicovered yet by loads of tourists! Great video 👍
❤ nice video! But when you travel 10 km north ( buslijn ) you will find a charming fishervillage, Bunschoten- Spakenburg. My hometown!😊.
Get a visit there!
Nice video!! Amersfoort is such a nice city to visit, this video was a good reminder to go again haha
Ah! You've been to my hometown! You are right about The Blueberry. It is 'American-ish'. I'd rather have breakfast at an IHOP or Denny's even though those are chain restaurants. The Blueberry is way too expensive and the portions are getting smaller and smaller while prices surge. You'll need to make more time to see a lot more of Amersfoort. But you've seen the historic center which I think is beautiful.
Hi guys 😀 because of u both I'm seeing so much of the the Netherlands❤ thank you
Was there on 23-03. Beautiful city.
Great video as always! I'm so happy that you went a little further East this time;-) Amersfoort also has a nice Zoo which is situated just outside the city with lots of nature surrounding it. It's a popular city to live in, because it is so cosy/beautiful, but also due to the easy access to every part of NL. Less overwhelming/busy than Utrecht, but almost just as centrally located.
For the first time I don't have a lot to add!😅Hope you have a wonderful week and more visits to the East and North are planned!
Amersfoort is beautiful!
Almost as beautiful as Enkhuizen 😂 (my brother might disagree, since he lives in Amersfoort 😉😂)
Fun to see Amersfoort from another point of view! (I usually just go straight to my brother's house 😊)
April 1st the season starts here again 😊
If you ever come this way, let me know! I'll give you some tips and ideas on what to visit! I work at the tourist information centre and would love to give you some info 😊
Would be best to visit on a nice day, and also visit the outdoor museum. (Zuiderzeemuseum)
Enkhuizen is on our list to visit soon! We will definitely let you know if we make it out there.
Great video, great sound, great images!
I have been to Amersfoort countless times... but never seen the beatiful ancient heart of it. My mom lives in Amersfoort Noord so I visit alot. She told me she used to live in one of the houses that was built into that ancient defence wall when she was a med student!
I will follow in your footsteps, thanks for showing the way!
Oh wow, that’s amazing she lived there. There’s so much character in the homes. So glad you enjoyed!
You were 9 kilometers from beautiful Spakenburg. That's where I live. I did the LTS on the Arnhemseweg. Just behind the center.
Oh no, you went to the Mondriaanhuis! I grew up in Amersfoort and had to go there twice, both in primary school and in high school and it felt like torture. My mom thought I was exaggerating but agreed after she visited it herself xD But maybe they have made it more interesting since then (last time was probably 2008 or so)
Ha, Tracey loves art and art history, so it was a must-do for us. Though I don’t think we’d feel the need to visit again unless there was a very special exhibition.
Love to have seen you visit my beautiful hometown Amersfoort. It’s always nice to see the city from someone else’s perspective and in my opinion it has one of the most beautiful and best preserved medieval city centers in the country. The Onze Lieve Vrouwetoren is the 2nd largest in the Netherlands after the Domtoren in Utrecht and Nieuwe Kerk in Delft. Fun fact, it’s nickname is Lange Jan (Long John).
Thank you so much for watching, we really enjoyed our time in Amersfoort!
Um bom dia do Brasil.
In Amersfoort you should do the canal tour by boat. It gives you a whole other view of the old city😍
The Onze-Lieve-Vrouwetoren is shorter than the Dom because it was not allowed to be taller by the bishop of Utrecht. 😀
Makes perfect sense, thank you!
Nice video. My mom lived in Amersfoort for almost 30 years. I have visited so very often.
As a rec: The Louwman Museum in Den Haag is the place with one of the most beautiful automotive collections in the world.
Yes, it’s absolutely on our list to see!
You're getting closer... Greetings from Soest!
Haha, working our way around! Slowly but surely.
Erg leuke stad!
Though we had relatives living in Amersfoort, they didn't live in the centre, so I don't remember anything of the city, besides the famous 'Amrsfoortse Kei' (a Glacial erratic). Wonder if you came across it.
Nice video .. well edited .. your 'uitspraak' is really improving. I love that everything's time stamped. Suggestion: Maybe you could type the names you're referring to on the screen itself (Muirhuisen, Koppelpoort, etc). I didn't quite catch the other most famous resident of Amersfoort's name (Johan van Olden???). The video cut off abruptly at the end .. 🕊
Johan van Oldenbarnevelt
That is his full name. Google that name
Johan van Oldenbarnevelt (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈjoːɦɑɱ vɑn ɔldə(m)ˈbɑrnəvɛlt]), Heer van Berkel en Rodenrijs (1600), Gunterstein (1611) and Bakkum (1613) (14 September 1547 - 13 May 1619) was a Dutch statesman and revolutionary who played an important role in the Dutch struggle for independence from the Habsburg Castilian Empire.
@@Paul_C Bedankt ..
hahaha nice fact bumpers!
Whats the coffee like? I didn't find it as good as Australian coffee. The applecake is always delicious though.
Amersfoort is very charming. I’ve been there a few times. A great place to walk around, eat some nice food & get a nice drink!
@Travis is it possible I saw you in Alphen aan den Rijn last Thursday? The moment you passed me I thought I recognized you. You were going towards the train station I think. Passing the church at the parking lot behind Hoogvliet in the center.
Enjoyable video as always!
Haha! Travis did say that it was definitely him. So glad you enjoyed the video!
@@TAndTGoDutch next time I’ll say hi! I didn’t wanna freak him out by yelling his name across the parking lot 😂
Lol!
Yeah, the Koppelpoort was never breached, but nobody tells you it was never challenged. 😀
Lovely video again. Fully agree that the entrance of the city is terrible when you come by train but the centre gives you everything you were promised. By the way, Domtoren in Utrecht 112 meters high and the Onze Lieve Vrouwentoren in Amersfoort only 98 meter.
Glad we weren’t the only ones to feel that way!
Ik vind dat station prima! Lekker recht toe recht aan! Ik mis alleen nog maar een döner zaak!
@@Beun007 hahaha, het station zelf is prima maar als je buiten komt is het een winderig tochtgat met veel lelijke gebouwen. Geen uitnodiging om verder te kijken. En dat is dus wel de bedoeling.
@@skippynoah mwa, ik stoor me daar niet aan
@@skippynoah Das zo opgelost! Gauw je fiets pakken en naar beneden denderen richting centrum! Like a fucking brick! WEEEE… BANG!😁
Obviously Dutchmen and gunpowder isn’t a good combination. 😅 We also had a blast in Delft killing one of our promising painters, Carel Fabritius.
The last time was in Enschede in 2000. Terrible accident that cost so many people their lives.
The Kruitschip in Leiden in 1807 was also terrible, more than 150 people died when a gunpowder boat blew up in one of the canals of Leiden.
For the history of these disasters:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiden_gunpowder_disaster
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enschede_fireworks_disaster
There is a little hill in Amersfoort called ‘het galgenbergje’, little gallow hill. It’s close to road from Utrecht to Amersfoort. I used to play there a lot when I was a kid. People that were executed, because they broke the law, were hang on those gallows until they fell of. As a warning for people, coming into the city, not to break the law.
This hill was actually a prehistoric burial mound from long time ago.
So beneath our playing foot must have been some skeletons. And I never saw a ghost there, it’s so annoying. These dead persons are so typical Dutch, not to do some creepy stuff. 😠
Your fact about the Neolithic roots triggered this comment
Well, I like Mondriaan up to a point. Sure you instantly know the colours. Sadly what the any of the meaning is got lost in translation, to me that is. For me he should have stopped simplification. The painting Bloeiende Appelboom, in The Hague, would be the end of the simplification.
But that is just me.
please add subtitles. for my conveniance.
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Did you know almost all train stations in the Netherlands were destroyed in WW2 by American and British bombs? That is why they rebuilt it in the fifties with ugly small stations. And they were replaced with bigger modern in the nineties and later.
That makes a lot more sense, actually. Thanks for the info!
This one was very nice, but they destroyed it in the late 1980s ore begin 90s
When I lived at “ the Stationsstraat “ in 84 there were nice buildings from the late 18th century
Contrary to what some people say here, I would not do the boat tour. as a born and raised Amersfoorter I can tell you that they give a lot of information that is not correct
Any proof of that?
When you arrive in Leiden by train you wouldn’t think it was so historical either. The station of Leiden is very modern and rather ugly and impractical if you ask me. The buildings next to it are modern too. It’s only when you investigate more that you’ll see the centuries old city.
Completely agree!
I can be quite often found in Amersfoort downtown! Awesome!
Such a charming city!
@@TAndTGoDutch yes, it is! Relaxing…
Kamp amersfoort was where my great grandfather was held captive im 1944 , he wrote a small book about his experiences , and how People from beverwijk where held hostage after the murder on a collaborator . The rose garden brabed wire fence was where inmates where tortured or had punishment exersizes . from early dawn to late in the evening , either standind still or doing swedish exersizes . hand in 90 degrees infront of you and squating up and down .
If you fell or couldnt do them fast enought they would beat the crap out of you with knight sticks . a verry nasty camp in deed . with vucht and westerbork even beeing worse .
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