How To Use A Better Route Planner (LiveStream)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- We've had a couple of Patreon supporters reach out and ask us how we plan long-distance road trips - so we decided to show you - Live!
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Presenter: Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield
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Thank you for the in depth explanation! We have both a Lightning and a bZ4X. We are planning a trip from Ohio to Florida. Our first long trip. We have an OBDII we are planning on using with ABRP. This video helps to warn us of things to look out for and things to be grateful for.
Thanks again!
I didn't watch this live and I think you did a extremely nice job with the explanation of what you where doing. Outstanding.
I have Tesla and I use ABRP to plan my long trip. I am going from California to Texas. The ABRP allows me to plans my stop for the night. Thank you.
How much do you refer to ABRP in the car during the trip? I guess not having Apple CarPlay or Android Auto means you’re limited to looking at a phone screen. So I’m curious if ABRP is kind of a reference or would you consider or recommend linking ABRP to live data in the Tesla and use it somehow during the drive?
I compared a 700 miles drive with an Aptera 600 and a long range Tesla 3. Power usage was much less but it added an additional hour of charge time to a 11 hr drive. Fast charging makes a difference.
This is another well thought out show from you all again.
With so many people wanting to know how to use these charging apps, I’m wondering if there are a lot of ev folks planning a trip to San Diego for the Fully Charge Show later this year. If so someone should inform them that a lot of San Diego Motels do not have parking available, you will have to you a nearby lot and there’s no guaranteed spot. So beware.
I hate driving in Southern California
For several reasons and will sadly miss the show. Loved the Austin one though.
EXCELLENT review and instruction on how to use ABRP, and how to set up the details of your car, and how you can see the road altitude!
First time I see some inaccuracies, regarding Plugshare, OpenStreetMap and ABRP in your explanation, a Charge Point Operator or manufacturer adding money to the developper doesn't make Route planners less reliable. Being able to hire a Roaming specialist, my profession, actually increases reliability, adding live status, better POI info, added value services to charging. Happy to chat and explain it in detail.
What’s a roaming specialist?
@@skyemalcolm I make the agreements between CPOs and my eMSP App and viceversa
As a Tesla owner, this is still super useful to me. In the car - yes it has great routing. But a long road trip including overnight stops? I’m going to need pre-planning anyway to book hotels etc, and unfortunately Tesla don’t offer their routing in an app/website. That would be great if they could (with a ‘send trip to car’ option) but until they do, ABRP is really helpful to preplan stops, then use the tesla routing on the day to route to each stop
This was incredibly useful, thank you very much.
I drove my MME from PA to FL and back again. I like ABRP as a tool for planning, but I prefer PlugShare to make a plan that is easy to use on AA in my MME. Also had to navigate around the I95 snow shutdown early this month.
It is indeed a very powerful tool, and one that is always improving. Using Android Auto/Carplay adds a whole new level of usability to the thing, especially with the BT dongle. But it takes a little time to get used to - it is better to play with the thing and familiarize yourself with the tool ahead of time rather than wait until you are setting out on a long road trip.
It’s also useful to look at a long trip and mentally estimate what the “average” drive vs. charge time is over many stops (miles). I just did my Tesla Model 3 for Boston to Portland and on average, it plots “shortest time” for the trip with (avg, again) 1:45 minute drives with 21-minute charge stops (Tesla SCs). It planned Portland OR to Richmond VA in 52:30.
I've had the software update on my 2020 Bolt EV LT. It seems to suggest that it will charge to 80% maximum but seems to stated "so many minutes to 75%". When it got to 75% at an EA charger, the charge rate went down to 8 kW. It took a very long time to get to 80%. So, with EA, it cost a small fortune to go over 75%.
Thanks for the ABRP tutorial… BTW, as a native Chicagoan, it’s “JOL-ee-ette” (or “JOLE-ee-ette”). Keep up the great work!
Because of ABRP I got stranded with my family driving a Hyundai Ioniq 28kW. Be carefully out there using this app. It was underestimate my consumption big time.
18:41 You are saying the charging time went up but it actually decreased from ~16 hours to ~15 hours. You decreased the speed limit, that's why the total time went up even though the charging time went down. It is due to the charge curve of the vehicle. Note that the charging curve for the Bolt drops significantly around 70 percent so if there are no large charging gaps on the route, the fastest option is to charge up to 70 percent or less for the Bolt.
Preach about 4 minimum stations. Pretty much every trip I run into random EA stations that will only push 20-30 kWh max (even at low SoC, perfect temps). Move over a station and pull 55kWh.
The Bolt EV charges slow enough without EA also slowing things down 😆 I really wish EA gave more information on their stations.
"Session failed to start due to XXX", "Running at reduced charging rate because YYY"
Thank you for this!
How much data does ABRP use. Does it support offline maps?
I have an order for a Bolt EUV (my first EV) and I'm wondering about the BT dongle that you have for yours, that adds functionality to ABRP. Is there a make/model that you would recommend for the dongle? and if you have an affiliate link for a place that sells them that also ships to Canada, I would prefer to buy though that link. Thank you for any help.
Also I wish they let you dial in a time for the legs. Eg in longer range cars you can be set to do 3 hour legs and I’d like to say ‘prefer 2 hour legs’ for instance
You can- Nikki
I've experimented with ABRP a bit, and I can't seem to get it to work right.. I've tried planning my usual annual convention trip from Salzburg to Berlin (~850km), and ABRP suggests 6 stops, which is weird for a car with more than 300km range (tried with both Ioniq5 LR and BMW i4). Half of the stops are such useless ones like "charge 4 minutes from 68% to 74%". When I set it one notch down towards "fewer stops" I get a suggestion of only 3 stops (which sounds reasonable) but the first stop I will not arrive because of -38% SoC. Also, setting it to prefer Ionity seems to be interpreted as "use only Ionity", because it very obviously ignores other provider's stations to resolve that -38% issue.
Interesting. Since you need to get to that convention, we’d suggest reaching out with a bug report to the team at ABRP ;) -Nikki
@@transportevolved I'll keep an eye on things.. since there's still 8 months to go, there's quite some chance the suggestions will improve when they get more car data collected. If the results aren't any better by summer, I'll send them an email.
The thing I've noticed about ABRP, is you can't add stations you KNOW exist.
When are you attending your next car show
Unrelated but how's the uptime on Starlink?
Thinking about getting it, but I need as close as possible to 100% uptime for work. Throughput and latency doesn't matter as much to me.
Does the weather affect it much?
Joliet Illinois Joe Lee et.
Is it dark, and are you wearing sunglasses?
^Kate
I’ve tried to create a trip from St Louis to near Dallas and all it gives me is “no valid route”. Do I have to do the planning on the computer? I was using the app which seems pretty awful. We haven’t road tripped the Mach E yet due to this.
Try again? abetterrouteplanner.com?plan_uuid=d23e8569-75b3-455f-982f-6bdf8616b064 this was a trip we just plugged in for you (you’ll need to change the car details) - Nikki
@@transportevolved thanks Nikki. It’s doable according to this-provided all the chargers along the root are available. Which is iffy, at best. Plus we get off the interstate an hour east of Dallas and then drop south an hour-and there are no dc fast chargers after we leave the interstate. We can get there and charge at my family’s house on 110, but that’s also limiting as for around town and then the hour back to the interstate. So for now it looks like we take my ICE mobile until there is better infrastructure.
It’s relatively easy to over constrain ABRP settings. I unwittingly set up degradation to the battery and then ABRP gave me the dreaded “no valid route” result. I’d recommend reaching out to ABRP support directly as they were really helpful. And it’s also OK to delete or reset a car you’ve saved in ABRP if you think something was set up funny but it’s hard to track down just what it was. It’s sort of like a really long chose your own adventure book and the choices cascade. So I’ve had to just reset it all and go back to the beginning, espy when I was starting out getting familiar with ABRP.
OMG… I find this video very helpful as a five-year EV driver, BUT, i’m afraid if I show this to anyone that I want to convert to EV driving
I've been seeing a lot of your videos on this yotube channel called Ecotricity NZ. Are they a sister channel of Transport Evolved?
TE supplies content to Ecotricity.
@@loriallen67
Oh, good to know they weren't stealing TE's contents.
@@remliqa no. In some videos TE mentions creating content for a client in NZ.
My 18 year old Audi A2 tells me off if I drive for more than 2 hours (unchangeable and 3 or 4 hours is more realistic) without a break. Have cars really not advanced that much in 18 years? Surely necessary breaks for toilet or food should be enough to keep any EV reasonably well charged. As long as EV batteries can cope with 4 hours driving (about 240 miles under UK road conditions) is range anxiety real or actually add any time to a journey? Once that message has got through, the apparent need for 600 mile minimum range evaporates.
You’re right. most modern EVs can get a decent recharge at a rapid charging station in a half hour to forty-five minutes. it’s slightly different though in the UK to the US, where taking a break is often frowned upon. ;) - Nikki
@@transportevolved , taking break is frowned upon? what is used then? Catheters or bottles?
@@johnkellett7797 when I drive the 12 hour trip to my family, I don’t stop nearly as often as I would have to stop and charge my MME. And, stops take considerably less time. I can easily drive 2+ hours without stopping.
15 hours of charging? Wow. A 80% charge Bolt is not the greatest road trip vehicle huh.
Drive a Jeep?
Find a different planner as these people don't think Jeep is a vehicle.
Pretty shocked that it isn't an option.
You should have tested a Tesla on screen.
Got really irritated with the long useless intro. Also EXPLAIN STUFF!! I wanted to know how to change from standard to metric, video just said it could be done and skipped on to other topic.
Just an FYI: The standard American pronunciation of "Joliet" (home to a very famous Federal prison) is "dʒouliɛt" - "joe-lee-ETTE" ("o" as in "go"/"ee" as in "she"/"ette" as in "bet")