I'd ask jimbob to name 1 thing he did using his free will, & I'd bet money that thing was determined on something totally out of his control. hell, him existing was even totally out of his control. it wasn't even in his parents control. they had no control over whether they were fertile or not in order to have a child in the first place. he had no control over whether he had a mental or physical disability. I don't think he's look at the big picture. that seems to happen a lot with theists.
I don't understand what Jimbob means by concepts informing rather than causing. Seems to me like when concepts informs us, they are directly influencing our actions in some way. That would mean concepts have a causal effect. Jimbob thinks that nudging or influencing actions is not causal, but those very things are the definition of causality. For example: The concept of geometry informs us of how shapes and angles work. An architect then designs a building utilizing these concepts. If it had no causal effect, the architect's reason for designing a building based off these geometric principles has nothing to do with these concepts. The architect's understanding of these concepts guides his actions.
The host has refuted himself by showing up for a debate. His position states that he has no control over what he thinks, says, and does. Yet, he is convinced that his uncontrolled thinking is the most accurate. Ha! Thanks anyways, Much love
Accepting or rejecting a proposition happens automatically. Take my argument against free will as an example: did you choose to remain unconvinced? No, you just are.
@@entertainingideas oh ok, so what is the difference between you and I? It seems like your only possible answer is, we either have different brain chemistry and that’s it, such that, all philosophical positions are just brain chemistry happening, Or, you are going to somehow claim that you are more rational than me due to the universe selecting you to be extra rational with your brain chemistry behaving more properly.
Yes I‘m implicitly claiming the latter. I don’t know you personally so I can’t claim that I’m generally more rational than you, only that I’m more rational in regard to this particular argument
As a theist, I don't think there's a particular hard case AGAINST determinism. In fact, theism is most likely a certain form of determinism(GOD being the sovereign ultimate cause of all). I also don't think it leads to a necessary epistemic issue, but the only way it doesn't is THROUGH theism. Here's the argument: P1) In order for a means to be a justified means to an end there must be a rational link between the means and an end whereby the means rationally lead towards the end. P2) Epistemic tools are means to an end(epistemic end). C) There must be a rational link between the epistemic means and the epistemic goal whereby the means rationally lead towards the end P1) Under a non-rationally determined Universe there can be no rational justification between means and ends. P2) Under a deterministic epistemology there must be rational epistemic justification between means and ends. C) All true deterministic epistemology entails a rationally-determined Universe. P1) A rationally determined Universe requires, ultimately, a rational determining entity. P2) An ultimate rational determining entity can only be a rational substance. P3) We refer to rational substances as mind. C) A rationally determined Universe entails, ultimately, a determining mind.
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I'd ask jimbob to name 1 thing he did using his free will, & I'd bet money that thing was determined on something totally out of his control. hell, him existing was even totally out of his control. it wasn't even in his parents control. they had no control over whether they were fertile or not in order to have a child in the first place. he had no control over whether he had a mental or physical disability. I don't think he's look at the big picture. that seems to happen a lot with theists.
I don't understand what Jimbob means by concepts informing rather than causing. Seems to me like when concepts informs us, they are directly influencing our actions in some way. That would mean concepts have a causal effect. Jimbob thinks that nudging or influencing actions is not causal, but those very things are the definition of causality. For example:
The concept of geometry informs us of how shapes and angles work. An architect then designs a building utilizing these concepts. If it had no causal effect, the architect's reason for designing a building based off these geometric principles has nothing to do with these concepts. The architect's understanding of these concepts guides his actions.
The host has refuted himself by showing up for a debate. His position states that he has no control over what he thinks, says, and does. Yet, he is convinced that his uncontrolled thinking is the most accurate. Ha!
Thanks anyways,
Much love
You haven’t understood anything, congrats
@@entertainingideasthat’s hardly a refutation sir
I was determined to do that.
Yup
Seems you are finally starting to understand Jimbob at 31:35, but your “determination” took the conversation into another direction.
Yes it did
You debating and uploading is a free choice you made in order to convince people of the fact that rational argumentation does not exist
I‘m not saying that rational argumentation doesn’t exist. I just don’t think that free will is a prerequisite for it
@@entertainingideas By what criteria do you accept or reject any proposition
Accepting or rejecting a proposition happens automatically. Take my argument against free will as an example: did you choose to remain unconvinced? No, you just are.
@@entertainingideas oh ok, so what is the difference between you and I?
It seems like your only possible answer is, we either have different brain chemistry and that’s it, such that, all philosophical positions are just brain chemistry happening,
Or, you are going to somehow claim that you are more rational than me due to the universe selecting you to be extra rational with your brain chemistry behaving more properly.
Yes I‘m implicitly claiming the latter. I don’t know you personally so I can’t claim that I’m generally more rational than you, only that I’m more rational in regard to this particular argument
As a theist, I don't think there's a particular hard case AGAINST determinism. In fact, theism is most likely a certain form of determinism(GOD being the sovereign ultimate cause of all).
I also don't think it leads to a necessary epistemic issue, but the only way it doesn't is THROUGH theism. Here's the argument:
P1) In order for a means to be a justified means to an end there must be a rational link between the means and an end whereby the means rationally lead towards the end.
P2) Epistemic tools are means to an end(epistemic end).
C) There must be a rational link between the epistemic means and the epistemic goal whereby the means rationally lead towards the end
P1) Under a non-rationally determined Universe there can be no rational justification between means and ends.
P2) Under a deterministic epistemology there must be rational epistemic justification between means and ends.
C) All true deterministic epistemology entails a rationally-determined Universe.
P1) A rationally determined Universe requires, ultimately, a rational determining entity.
P2) An ultimate rational determining entity can only be a rational substance.
P3) We refer to rational substances as mind.
C) A rationally determined Universe entails, ultimately, a determining mind.
I'm determined to believe in free will
Jimbob is a troll and a waste of time.
Haha he‘s funny though
Thanks for the advice, satan 😈
Cringe Satanist couldn't refute him and is mad in comments
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