These Titanic submarine 'flaws' may be behind disaster
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- On 22 June the wreckage of the Titan submarine was found on the sea bed 500 yards from the Titanic. Experts say the submarine suffered a catastrophic implosion and the five passengers onboard died. It was steered by Playstation controller, used components bought from Camping World and didn’t have safety certification. But five missing Titanic tourists paid to descend 12,500ft in the Titan submarine. Now they have vanished without a trace, and questions are being asked why experts who raised safety concerns about the OceanGate vessel were apparently ignored. One of the engineers was so concerned he quit the project, one man was said to have refused to ride the sub after seeing how it was built, and one man who did described his voyage to a newspaper as ‘suicide’. These are all the potential concerns that could have led to disaster.
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The only flaw that lead to the disaster was the CEO didn't want to be told no, and fired the only guy in his company who really knew what was needed to keep this from happening.
umm the ceo also died
Yes. This was the main issue in my opinion. If you get rid of the guy who knows how to do it right, things will go wrong.
@@tsuna111 And so did 4 others because of his negligence!
The exact same story as Titanic. Very dark and very eerie
@@tsuna111pointing to the hubris he exhibited. He thought he was above catastrophic dangers.
The more you hear about this operation the less it seems like a tragedy and more like incompetence mixed with hubris.
To me the tragic part is the 19 year old. Because he didn’t want to go and out of all of them was the only one that expressed he felt it was off. I wish he would’ve listened to his guts.
To me from start it sounded like incompetence.
If only the sun was up to par, then yes tragic, but this was all avoidable
or a complete lie and distraction from Bidan family corruption and Durham testifying that Crooked Hill made up the Rooskie collusion story and Barry and Bidan knew.
@@shable1436what?
After watching videos of the CEO, and listening to him speak, I honestly think the CEO was crazy. He seemed to be obsessed with the sink of the Titanic. So much so, that he ignored safety measures, neglected repairs, and pushed the limits. He didn't care if he died taking passengers down. I don't think it mattered to him. It's the way he perhaps wanted to go out.
yeah it barely look like a horrible suicide...
Right. And his audacity to murder four other people is just unforgivable.
true
I have been saying he looks daft since Monday watching these old vids of him in various stages of building this thing. He looks crazy. Also did you notice in that one video floating around somewhere on the internet he is absolutely giddy talking about breaking rules and being told not to use fiberglass and saying " they told me not to so I did it anyway". He was a mad scientist and I am glad he is dead. At least he cant kill anyone else now.
reminds me of the other netflix submarine guy that killed that journalist.
What utterly confuses me is the fact that MANY people knew it was unsafe. If they mentioned anything, they got fired, denied, etc. This further proves that the company is fully to blame for the accident.
Agree they should b sued tbh
Too bad the "company" died with his product.
No refunds nor reparations for the families
Are you slow ?? Everybody knew the risk because everybody signed a waiver !! Plz stop being dumb … if u knew what happened you’ll know that they knew the risk
@@MarloSoBalJr Even if you give the families all the money in the world, it can't bring back the lives that were lost.
@@tumutapadre5845Yh but it was their fault you don’t pay life insurance for suicides
The cause of the implosion was making most of the pressure hull from carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is strong in tension, but NOT in compression. Every time they dove the sub, the hull made cracking noises. Every cracking noise was the buckling delamination of a strand or several of carbon fiber. Every time they dove, every cracking sound was a NEW structural fault in the fiber shell, creating cumulative weakening of the shell to pressure.
They could dive the sub a dozen times, perhaps, unaware that each dive was sacrificing a small margin of safety until they no longer had a hull strong enough to dive that deep. And there was no way of inspecting or assessing the strength of the hull. The damage would be internal and not revealed on X-ray nor sonogram. Steel or titanium can take a thousand pressure cycles without compromising the structural integrity of the material is it made from because it is isotropic. But carbon fiber can not take repeated compression cycles without losing strength. It has a Grain, and dissimilar materials that do not distribute force equally in all directions.
In addition to the point you make, the tubular shape of the passenger compartment adds to the difficulty in maintaining structural soundness. The logical shape to choose to resist the forces which will be applied is a sphere - as used by other deep diving craft.
What you say is correct. In Addition the geometry Plays a big role. A sphere would be More robust than a cylinder.
@@skyman1693
The ends were made from a different material, stress would have played an issue there at the joints, wouldn't they?
Well he got tired of the “old white guys” telling him there were problems and so brought on hip youngbloods to praise his rule breaking innovation and paid the price and killed several others as well including a teenager
@@RobertSeviour1 Carbon Fiber still won’t work even as a sphere. Thing is, Spherical steel or titanium vessels actually get smaller under high pressure. A nuclear sub’s hull gets about a half inch smaller in diameter at depth. The crystals of their structure get squeezed into denser matrices. But carbon fiber is linear and Anisotropic. To get smaller, each fiber has to buckle. Each fiber is surrounded by resin that has different properties and whose isotropic properties are disrupted by the fibers embedded in the resin. In a vessel subject to internal pressure, the forces acting on the carbon are trying to expand the vessel which stretches the fibers in the dimension in which they are strongest.and they can resist expansion fairly well. It literally presses the laminations tighter. But in a vessel under compression from without the fibers want to coil or bend and the resin prevents them from doing so, so the layers tend to delaminate to allow that movement. Just imagine a hoop made of rope. It can hold the loop under a LOT of force try to expand it outwards, but it can’t hold much force under forces pushing inwards.
As an ex nuke submariner, I've been following this story and been posting information that media isn't really going over in detail enough on non- sub channels - just thought I'd copy and paste here, too. And you did mention many of the things I point out. Anyone may use the info below as they wish.
Looking at this company I get the feeling of another 'vaporware innovation' like Theranos, The Hyperloop or Nikola - but this time instead of people losing money, they lost their lives.
As you mentioned, looking at videos of this vessel, there are no mechanical back up systems for controlling propulsion - totally dive by wire - if that is the case, that is poor design, having no redundancy. In some videos you can see condensation forming on the titanium mating ring and the end bells - meaning they really did not have any sort of moisture management systems, which is important if you are running a totally 'dive by wire' system like it seems they were.
There is a reason why submarines are made of steel and titanium and not carbon fiber. Steel and titanium have deformation before they give way, giving time to drive yourself up to the surface or emergency blow. Carbon fiber has no give - when it fails, it fails catastrophically. Anyone who has seen a carbon bikes or carbon auto parts blow apart knows that carbon fiber, though strong and light, fails instantly AND catastrophically.
I have heard hearsay reports that this particular sub had cracks in the hull they knew about - if that turns out to be the case and they dove anyways, that is pure negligence.
But looking at the design of this vessel, from its laminated carbon fiber lay, to end caps being glued on, with no CO2 or moisture scrubbing for the inner atmosphere visible or in the public design specs, considering the differential expansion rates of the dissimilar materials that are exposed to salt water, pressures and thermoclines, this was inevitable. I am wondering what testing was done and what sort of processes were in place? How much testing was done? Did they Xray the hull right after production and after every dive, especially with a pressure hull that is layered carbon fiber? 1 crack or 1 layer that did not lay and bond properly or that came unbonded after numerous pressure cycles and that hull would crack at any time. Carbon fiber is also pretty porous - look at any scanning electron microscope (SEM) and you can see the fibers and porosity. Then look at SEM of steel or titanium.
Anyhow, my educated speculation guess is that the carbon fiber hull shattered and they were all instantly obliterated feeling nothing. King Neptune now has more souls in his watery underworld.
oceangate.com/our-subs/titan-submersible.html
oceangate.com/gallery/gallery-titan.html
Carbon Fiber Hull Winding
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Bonding Titanium Ring and Carbon Fiber Hull
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OceanGate Cyclops Submersible Development Program
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It Was A Sacrifice
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Wow great analysis thank you!!!
Great thanks on the detail
Could you please explain Why there is no submarine that can go that deep comfortably while they can send something to the mars? I mean latter seems more challenging? All you need to do is building a submarine with very thick wall? lol
@@sebastian3004the forces exposed to a spacecraft is very different. Main concerns are heat dissipation, airtight pressure hull and being vibration/shock resilient. Spacecraft are never exposed to the pressures a sub is. They also are able to maintain almost instant verbal and visual communication. Subs cannot.
A viewing window certified for 4000ft, but they took it down to over 3 times what it was rated for. Did non of these paying tourist not do their research? My heart really goes out to the 19 year old who was terrified of going. I guess his father ignored his concerns like he ignored the shoddy work in building the Titan.
Yep - you can't bank your life on anyone's word
Its not the tourists job to do research on the works of a sub. You expect them to do the math? cmon now lol. The ceo and expert are at fault
One thing this incident has taught me is that you shouldn’t trust anyone, not even your parents.
@@hyunbinsdimple5803 nice try liberal
The moment you are willing to make money expendable is the moment you become a slave to arrogance
As an engineer in the aerospace industry it can sometimes be infuriating when we have to analyse our designs to work at conditions way above and beyond the operational limits. However these margins ensure that our designs are robust and won't fail even during the worst case scenario. Hence today flying for example is incredibly safe. Because of idiots like this CEO I won't take these margins for granted.
Thanks to you guys that we middle class could air travel to any part of the globe safely. Kudos to all of you guys.
I totally understand your feelings. As I watched this story develop, I tried hard to avoid the usual media hype, keeping my thoughts to myself. I've been delivering training to aircraft engineers and aircrew for many years now. The opportunity to share with new students the importance of why a "Factor of Safety" is designed into many "flight critical" aircraft parts and/or materials is a topic I Relish ... the disbelief (eventual relief), when they realize designers and engineers like yourself "test to destruction" before any parts or materials are signed off and incorporated into the aircraft we and/or our families fly in ... need I say more, sir?
Fellow engineer in aerospace and I concur. I was so annoyed with this CEO who ignored safety standards and said innovation should be prioritized over safety 🙄
Why should you be alarmed, if this hull was not certified by anyone ? I don't think "it counts", it was like a well made DIY project; but not well enough.
I work on old cars, and have on many occasions told foolish and reckless customers that NO, they should NOT be driving their cars in the condition they are in. The toughest people to convince are the ones who just bought a 40-50 year old (or older!) car that may be *technically* drivable but needs extensive work, that it’s NOT worth even taking it up and down the street just to play with your new toy. But I don’t care about their feelings, I never waver from what I KNOW is the correct position, because safety is far more important than feelings. Get over it and make the car properly safe to drive first, THEN you get to play with it.
The biggest flaw was the captain and CEO who was told by numerous sources how unsafe this vessel was. And to think people followed this man and even paid to go to their death.
Yes they took all that tourist money over the years and upgraded their sub with words, empty words.
Exactly This is tragic
Pays to do your research
When you're the smartest guy in the room, there's no need for listening to others.
it's the ignorance abt safety that blows my mind. this ceo essentially said if u don't want to take risks in life, don't get out of bed. seriously???
It’s crazy to think somebody would pay so much money to go on an uncertified submersible , made from hardware store components, to such a depth as the titanic.
Man in his quest for knowledge and superior belief above Nature.
Crazy
I totally agree with you, didn't these people have nothing better to spend their money on ? yes, I know its their money to spend as they think fit, but looking at the way the sub was built would surely have them asking questions? and on another point what the hell was the reporter doing with his hands? praying?
Just because you have a ton of money doesn't make you an intelligent decision maker
There is nothing on God’s earth that could compel me to get inside a small space like that under water. If someone gave me a billion $ I still wouldn’t.
For Lockridge, the engineer, this has got to
be the worst feeling. He was right, he tried to
stop it and was fired and sued for his well
founded concerns.
Like the Challenger Shuttle engineer that tried to suspend the launch and then yall know what happened RIP
But at least he knows he tried valiantly, even to the point of losing his job over his efforts.
The CEO seemed to be incredibly reckless. That would be OK, if he simply wanted to use the submersible for himself ...... but to bring tourists into that situation was nothing short of negligent. The contents of the waiver clearly illustrated that even he did not have the utmost faith in this design, the craft's integrity and functionality. Why any of those tourists agreed to travel in such a craft is truly difficult to imagine (especially a father taking his 19 year-old son).
He was reckless and arrogant
Lets be honest, Ocean Gate is now finished. The CEO is gone, meaning regardless of any inquiry no one is accountable. Those who maybe took 8 hours to raise the alarm that contact had been lost may get named, shamed and their wrists slapped. Another disaster that was a calamity of mediocrity that should have been avoided. That said, life is life and sadly 5 lives have been lost. RIP
owner was woke and now he is dead
Yeah because “money talks.”
@@johnmycroft3065 How do you know that he was woke?
I think they felt safe because the CEO and owner was in there with them!
Yeah but he seems a lunatic. Every time someone drives a car, it's possible to die of course but to go this deep into ocean on something experimental is just pure insanity. They need atleast another 20 plus years to create something that can be somewhat save. But still it never can be stronger then the ocean. Nature is the strongest of all.
Would you take a ride with Ahab?
You are right. In most cases, I trust people and products. I think I would make the same mistake as those passengers.
Just watching his carefree attitude about the parts and safety was horrific. I would have run far and fast. My heart goes out to the other passengers who trusted this fool.
And not just that. Its the fact that its 2023 and people usually think that we have advanced and these kinda accident are not likely to happen. and plus if they would have had thought that the government does not say anything so it means it safe. I would actully turst him too
The ticket for each passenger seems more expensive than the sub itself. Really says something.
that is because of the Play Station Controller!
@@bobbys4327It's a Logitech controller, lol.
How much did the sub cost to make?
@@Tyler-vw9bh Apparently less than $80k if OP is correct.
@@bobbys4327 its not even a real PlayStation controller
I'm torn between thinking Karna caught up with Rush and wishing he was here to take responsibility for what has happened. I have to question the critical thinking skills of those who signed up to go down on it however - apart from that poor 19 yr old who pushed his fears aside to make his dad happy on father's day 😢
I think ur right karma struck him cause he didnt want to listen and fire people who was concern about safety
The whole report of him being pushed is wrong. His mother said that the son begged her to go. She was originally slated to go on the trip but after pleading with his mom she gave up her seat.
I believe the biggest flaw was the captain and the CEO himself.
Arrogance..
he instantaneously canceled himself for being a 50 year old white guy.
Yes and his antiwhiteism.
He did not want to employ wyte men with experience.
I think anyone can be a qualified CEO if a clown like him exists, and do a better job than him.
The biggest flaw was the CEO's ignorance and lack of awareness. 🙄 Mother nature doesn't suffer fools.
He knew and was aware. He had hubris and pride.
foolish
I feel sorry for the other 4 innocent people, I feel nothing for this clown CEO
@@charlesbryson7443I think he thought being rich would solve all of his problems and I don't think it ever occurred to him that his own toy could kill him
Not forgetting how much money he stood to make. Not so much an "explorer" more a person of greed. I do however realize that five human beings have tragically lost their lives.
I’m sad for the 4 people Rush killed.
Rush however, in his insane arrogance and disregard for safety, got what was coming to him.
yeah I feel nothing for that clown, shame he took 4 innocent people with him
If only he had imploded on one of his solo test trips.
The pilot said he had doubts about the integrity of the hull yet still got in it, I doubt he was forced in at gun point, if I had doubts about the hull, the only thing between you and 13000 ft of water no way would I have been in it. It wasn't the toilet his concerns were about. Plus he had decades of experience and still went. The 3 passengers well that's a different debate and of the 3 it's the 19 year old that saddened me the most.
@gungeligungStockton Rush was the CEO of OceanGate, the company that built the Titan. He was one of the five passengers that died.
You do understand that things go wrong right? NASA ha a spaceship blow up, did they murder someone? The woke generation always needs to blame someone, the guy risked his own life thus he thought it was safe DUH. You emotional women like lads listen to the News Media who are DRAMA QUEENS and you then come to a concrete position, without of course yet knowing all of the facts.
This video fails to mention the primary reason implosion happened. The carbon cylinder would require xray or ultra sound inspections after stress tests ( dives ) to show any non visible micro fractures in the carbon lay up. These tests were not completed to inspect the integrity on post dives. Carbon when stressed produces very tiny cracks until the point that it shatters under load.
And there it is, pure, simple, factual.
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Exactly. The problem was not with the play station controller or the LED camp lights. The problem was with the lack of stress testing on the pressure chamber! All it takes is one micro fissure at that depth to crush your submersible instantly like an empty can of soda.
Only sane comment here pretty much. Maybe they should also have x-rayed the hardware store bought handles 🤣
Was it a carbon cylinder or a titanium cylinder? in some videos looks metallic or 2:12
From rapid innovation to rapid implosion. This is why you don't underestimate the power of nature, and why certifications exist to begin with!
Pushing the limits of safety is one thing, but doing it while risking the welfare of others is unforgivable. Mr Rush acted as irresponsibly as Timothy Treadwell did when he brought a lady friend with him to live alongside grizzly bears in Alaska, convincing her that the bears were his friends. Both of them were eaten alive in their tent.
I don't think grizzly bears have taste for human flesh... probably just want to kill humans for protection.
Its also their fault for joining on an experimental makeshift sub you have to sign a waver for knowing you risk death bro
Yes that is my issue them folk paid ,that's wots not right.
Darwin is still right, stupid people get themselves killed.
@@Juxxize They paid but they new the risks. If they didn't realise how dangerous it is to dive to massive depths. Then they all must of been really dumb. We are talking large depths and massive pressures here. A vessel so extreme there isn't anything else like it. There is always going to be problems. Sadly even a very minor problem in the sea is usually fatal.
The way he just tossed that controller to the side…kinda the way he just tossed safety to the side.
A blaze attitude that is not congruent with that kind of enterprise.
Same way he tossed his life and 4 other lives, so arrogant and incompetent! I feel sorry for those people that trusted him in this craziness!
Yes, I got the same feeling
Same😮
It’s a lot of CEO’s and Bosses out here with that kind of mentality and lack for human safety and health for profit.
That poor boy who was terrified but wanted to please his father 😢
I'm still blown away hearing that the glass window had a strength depth of 4000 ft. Meanwhile the Titanic sits at 13,000 ft. which means there was 9,000 ft. of almost certain death between 4,001 ft. to 13,000 ft. How could anyone bring themselves to gamble on such risks?
Greed.
But yeah baffles me too.
They F-cked around and found out
@@wej0w if it was greed then why was the ceo himself in the sub when it happened
People who have more money than brains
It got certification for 4000 ft so it should be fine for 6000 ft, but expecting it to hold against 3 times what it was certified for is just crazy.
I just watched Titanic last February in the theaters in IMAX for its 25th anniversary. Watching the film, I got the message of how a tragedy can happen because of the hubris and arrogance of those who are in charge. And now the CEO and creators of this sub just made the exact same kind of hubris and overconfidence that sunk the ship in the first place. That was the entire message of the Titanic disaster. To not let it happen again. The moral story of the wreckage flew over their heads.
The clue is in the name. Dont ever take to the sea or to the sky with a craft named a titan.
It’s just insane this thing was allowed to function with passengers. Wait for it because the lawsuits are coming.
Oh shut up. Stop playing the blame game. It’s the most annoying of all human instincts-a relic from primitive times. Just look forward dummy. Not back
No one cares u watched a movie
"Hubris and arrogance" are James Cameron's exact words
There’s a reason they never attempted to apply for a certification, because the CEO knew it would fail and instead chose to say the certification process wasn’t “up to speed” with his high-tech device 🙄. Outrageous.
What the CEO knew was that having it certified would cost many times the cost of manufacture, and so was financially a non-starter. Next you will be deploring the conduct of the Wright brothers for not getting their prototype certified.
@@RicktheRecorder And now he's dead. Any matsci engineer could have told you that it's not if a composite tube will crush under compressive stress, but when. "When" was "an hour and a half into its third dive."
@@katherineberger6329 It's a great pity you weren't on the team to set all the idiots right.
@@RicktheRecorderdid the Wright brothers convince others their gliders were relatively safe and have them pay out the wazzooo to take rides? This man took no precaution, but gleefully let others place their lives in his hands
He clearly didn't, had he, he himself wouldn't go on a suicide mission. The problem was he was ignorant but didn't want to accept it. A lot of people have that issue. They are just not in that life-death situation.
Everyone who used the Titan knew the risks and signed the waver. The CEO was not even hiding his mad love for innovation over people's safety. Not sure why people are complaining about it now.
Diving to see history ❌
Diving to become a history✅
Look at any major tragedies at sea. It's always caused by suits and CEOs cutting corners and/or corruption. RIP to the 4 passengers this suicidal CEO took with him.
Absolutely. When the Titanic sunk 3;of America's most Weathiest Men died.
Jp Morgan,who owned the TITANIC cancelled his ticket at the last minute.
These men where:
John Jacob Astor, Richest man in the country
Isadore Strauss and his wife Owner of Macy's
Benjamin Googenhiem.
Another interesting coincidence is these three men where against The Federal Reserve JPMORGAN was backing.
And another coincidence is THE FEDERAL RESERVE was opened a YEAR AFTER THE TITANIC SUNK
APRIL 15.
Boeing max planes!
Not True. Many tragedies have nothing to do with CEOs or "suits", or corruption.
The CEO was on a suicide mission and he took those people down with him.
To think they paid for their own early death without realizing it is just jarring. Very unfortunate really.
Those people trusted him probably because he was the founder and CEO. They probably thought he knew what he was doing. Apparently not.
Yeah who thinks the guy that owns the company is nutty enough to implode his own @ss. Probably was financially strapped & just flying by the seat of his pants, Or on meth or some other brain altering drug to take a risk like that!
The Titanic was also on a suicide mission. The irony.
He prob did on purpose "just to be remembered"
I thought too.
@@SoulDelSolI think he was just delusional. His friend knew he was serious and was concerned about the safety.
He was incredibly delusional and arrogant so much so that he believed his lies about it being alright to ride and that led to his death, taking innocent people with him.
can't believe he described the submarine industry as obscenely safe.. shows how delusion he was :/
The flaw was firstly, the CEOs attitude towards experienced 50 yr old white guy experts, and second, using composites for deep diving.
@@Hundshunt The worst he got was being fired.
The owner of Oceangate received so many notices warning of the dangers that I do not consider the tragedy an accident, but a murder-suicide.
Exactly. James Cameron just did an interview where he said members of the deep sea dive community sent letters saying they need to get safety certified before having lives on board. This ceo this idiot, made the same exact mistakes as the captian on the titanic, Ignoring safety, now they both lie on the bottom of the ocean just feet between them. Moral of the story is don't ig ore safety ever. Billionaires thinking they are better and can buy their way outta some rules that the common man has to follow. I'm sorry even though they signed waivers the company should be liquidated and the money given to the families and then very strict rules need to be place internationally so internationally waters can't be loophole for future murders.
Murder suicide?😂
It was just the arrogance that killed everyone, not murder suicide.
That is a horrible take. Nobody forced anyone to go down there. They all did it voluntarily. It also had 25 successful trips prior to this one.
Willfully negligent for sure but not what you said, that’s extreme.
Get a grip
The way he threw that controller shows how much he valued life. Smh
that's a alibaba\wish controller !
That could definitely have broken the remote, considering how cheap it was.
I was thinking the same, how mickey mouse
And tossed it with arrogance.
@@ztuzar163That's a modified Logitech F710 controller (an overpriced and uncomfortable controller I've ever use especially those stiff trigger buttons). Most Alibaba/wish controller look way cheaper than that 😅
Chris, Here's a thought, if you're gonna talk about something, you should know what you're talking about. The name of the submarine that imploded was the Titan.
The Titanic was the passenger liner that sank on April 14, 1912.
It was not five passenger tourists. It was four and the knucklehead "CEO of the company behind the expedition, Stockton Rush, 61; French Titanic expert P.H. Nargeolet, 77;" British billionaire adventurer Hamish Harding, 58-year-old; and father and son Shahzada Dawood, 48, and Suleman Dawood, 19.
The reason it imploded was either the plexiglass porthole breaking or delamination of the carbon fibre part of the pressure hull. Carbon fibre is fine in spacecraft because there is no pressure in space. But at 12,000 ft. the outside pressure is 8 tons per square inch. It was only a matter of time.....
Well the pressure in space is inside the vehicle but not as great as the pressure outside below certain depths in the ocean.
The carbon fiber hull basically shouldn't have been re-usable but it was re-used, too much. Any damage done multiplies every visit below crushing depths, until.... boom.
@@ricomajestic Can only be 14.7psi , earths atmospheric pressure . Ocean pressures are insane and constantly changing as the sub rises and falls . The hull must be continually flexing.
James Cameron's interviews yesterday were brilliant.
And here I thought someone tried opening to door to touch the Titanic...thanks for your detailed explanation
This wasn’t an accident. This was gross incompetence and negligence. The guy was an idiot.
As for those who paid exorbitant amounts of money and willingly climbed into that joke of a vessel…
I’m so sorry that they died but how did they think this would end?
They most likely bought their spots thinking they were going to gain notoriety. Well, they now have that but in a different way.
RIP
This was an act of salvage
Very well said ,
the guy drank his own kool aid. He believed he was right and anybody who told him he wasn't was dismissed including his own safety staff. The billionaires who bought the ticket shuda had someone to do research about the company and the "experimental sub"
No, they got tricked by the ceo guy claiming he had a partnership with Nasa 2:29
Accidents can be caused by negligence. Doesn’t mean it was on purpose lmao
The whole thing was one big flaw. But the topper was that the company refused to get the craft certified or inspected by an outside agency, to determine if it could be safely operated at the intended depth. The CEO scoffed at the idea saying that beyond a point, safety was pointless. He said if you want to be safe, don't get out of bed. If there is any justice in this, it's that this idiot died in his own craft. Yet another example of Frankenstein being killed by his own monster.
Sad he had to take 4 others with him though.
@@B1-997Hopefully they won't have died in vain
My late grandfather may be right about his hesitation diving into wrecks or grave sites as bad karma. Especially with money involved.
He got what he deserved...but had to take 4 innocents with him. Its sickening
We’ll put.
"It was steered by a Playstation controller" - Why not?? A very well tried and tested and found to be reliable controller. I can't speak for the actuators etc. on the receiving end from the controller. I have nothing to do with Playstation but I don't like to hear unfounded accusations/assumptions like this. May the victim's souls rest in peace.
More you learn about this mission, the less tragic it appears to be and more like ineptitude combined with arrogance.
ARROGANZA E TEMERARIETA ' LO SI CAPISCE DA COME LANCIA CON SUPPONENZA I COMANDI DEL TITAN IL JOSTIC E DAL FATTO SOPRATTUTTO CHE NON HANNO VOLUTO CAMBIARE L:OBLÒ.
That last word is key.
It was a Liz Truss mission.
The fact that 5 innocent people died because of arrogance is the tragic thing.
@@chilliplayz13065 innocent people that saw what they were getting inside of.
That's not tragic, it's stupidity.
Also, to the OC... Try being a little more original, this comment is exactly the same as the top comment with two words swapped. 😂
The CEO’s attitude toward safety is similar to Titanic’s Bruce Ismay, the managing director who chose to remove 2/3 of Titanics life boats because of the audacious belief that the ship was unsinkable.
I used to think that way until I noticed that the crew barely had time to launch the existing lifeboats before the bow went under. Would there have been time to rewind the falls and reset those fancy Wellin David's? I wonder.
excellent reference, i thought i was the only one who remembered this scene. Ismay: "BUT THIS SHIP CAN'T SINK...?!?!" Ship's Carpenter Thomas Andrews: "SHE'S MADE OF IRON SIR, I ASSURE IT CAN, AND SHE WILL..!!! it 'tis a Mathematical Certainty..."
I guess the boat was Un-Un sinkable?
Did the CEO want to recreate a modern day catastrophe? To be remembered like the Titanic
Correction: He didn't remove, he designed it so that it only had 1/3rd amount of life boats.
Imagine Airbus or Boeing inviting you to fly to your holiday destination as a test pilot? You probably wouldn't do it if you were paid, let alone paying to do it. The whole thing is simply madness all round. I feel so sorry for the family of the young man, not just for his loss but that a father would put his own son into such a dangerous situation.
Gung Ho.
Some people like to show off on facebook or tiktok they did extraordinary things, not saying these 4 people were all like that but who knows.
Mr Beast should make a Titanic submarine.
@@notinterested8452”For my new video, I built 10 deep water submarines all ranging from 50k-40M Dollairs and I stuffed people inside. Any submarine that doesn’t implode, the passengers get to keep. Now everyone pick a number out of the hat that Karl is holding to see which sub you get”
@@notinterested8452 You make Mrbeast sound like hes Elon Musk or something..
The fact he called passagners mission specialists tells you everything, made to sound safer and less reckless then it really was
I watched the James Cameron video and it was enlightening AND disturbing. He said that they had two pieces of evidence Sunday morning that told them exactly what happened. Sonars picked up a "boom" and both the sub sonar and com shut down at the same time. That pointed to just one thing: implosion. He also pointed out that any search would start at the point last seen and the remains of the sub were almost exactly straight down. So, what was the point of drawing out the drama over multiple days? What about the reports of possible banging on the inside of the sub every 30 minutes that never happened? Why did planes, traines, and autos cover an area the size of Connecticut when the wreckage was straight down at the point where it started? What was the point of that? It couldn't possibly be just stupidity.
Media is just cog in the big misinformation machine
Thats what I was thinking. Why was the search area so large when the debris was found less then 500 meters away from their original destination? This whole thing was sketchy from the start
I watched James Cameron and he is highly skilled and knowledgeable on any kind of deep sea subermarines. He is an expert!
It is stupidity! You only have to look as far as the idiots running operations. Oh yeah, and the fools reporting it, making up s*** as they go along. The mainstream media steering the lemmings in the direction they want them to go; as usual.
I’m wondering since they knew the ballasts were dropped , that they might have thought it was on the surface and bobbing around endlessly in the ocean. Thus the expansive area?
The fact that it’s bolted from the outside is terrifying.
Bolted by hand and not electric powdered drills
@@ryannguyen7466ya but if you came up somewhere a few hours away from your ship you're trapped and will suffocate at the surface
To be fair I think this is common in deep sea submarines. There's so much pressure that you can't have a functional door, so they literally bolt the endcap on. I think the Apollo space capsules also had to be opened from the outside
@@maxstryeah nah it not. Legit titan is the only one made like this
@@notfiveoThat's what the cable ties were for.
US navy uses x box controllers - that’s not what caused this. It’s the carbon fiber. Sure they had a few successful dives but looks like the North Atlantic said enough is enough
Lets face the facts here those Logitech controllers were very poorly reviewed for their connectivity issues. If, as some have reported, the sub was on ascent because they had received and acoustic warning from the hull sensor that they were at risk of delaminating and they had released their ballast in order to manage that emergency then it is possible however unlikely that they waited too long to release because the controller had momentarily lost connection.
The US Navy uses X box controllers to control periscopes and not submersibles 2 miles deep in an extremely dangerous environment. There is a bit of a difference.
@@anon362-em1cf yeah he should have used a wired one at-least to eliminate connectivity issues
But note that they weren't using an "x-box controller". The controller they used was very low-end and the reviews are thick with complaints about it not working properly. Even more importantly, the US Navy doesn't use x-box controllers as the only means of control, with no redundancies and wholly reliant on a pair of cheap batteries, in a high-threat environment. We're talking about two entirely different things that are orders of magnitude apart.
The Xbox controller probably was the best designed device on their sub. The way that Oceangate designed the interface for the controller and didn't understand it's limitations is why they previously had issues with it.
PlayStation controller. Xbox controller. Stop giving people the wrong info. It was some cheap ass 3rd party gaming controller. Heck the whole sub was a cheap ass death trap.
Titan is a carbon fiber submersible that can travel as far as 4,000 meters below sea level, the OceanGate website says. At the depth of the Titanic, which sits 3,800 meters below sea level. Former OceanGate engineer Lochridge and experts had highlighted Rush's refusal to have the submersible properly inspected and certified.
The director said he had been told OceanGate was unwilling to pay for such an assessment.
Lochridge also said that the submersible's viewpoint was only certified to work in depths of up to 1,300m and claimed he had been fired by OceanGate after he questioned the safety of the Titan.
The Titan's viewing window is only certified to 4,000 feet.
I guess he won't have to worry about the inspection anytime soon?
Is the site up? I couldn’t access it yesterday and assumed they’d pull it down, given how much flak they were surely getting.
hes laughing now
I'm wondering how much the CEO is going to enjoy the many lawsuits he's going to get from the survivor's families. He might as well sell every bit of the company and hand it over to the families nd then voluntarily go to jail for life. cause he's going to be held completly responsible for this along with any director of safety if they even have that.
The game controller wasn't the problem, the unknown risk of imploding was. I can't imagine going that deep without knowing with 99.9% confidence that the thing won't implode. It's like driving your car without certainty that it won't blow up anytime.
A car doesn't blow up for no reason
@@guytitanic 😂
@@guytitanic indeed. 😀
That Logitech controller was probably subjected to more rigorous testing and certification than the sub was. I've seen keyboards inside the sub in photos too, and those are essentially the same thing. Just buttons that send a signal via USB or Bluetooth. If anything, a controller is more intuitive. Imagine steering a sub with WASD or the arrow keys.
What you say about the confidence level is spot on. I think that will be key in the lawsuits. The CEO was talking about getting out of bed being dangerous, like it's comparable. You're not going to catastrophically implode when getting up to go to the toilet at night. Sure, there's a chance, but it's like 1 in infinity. I think that's where OceanGate will lose in court. The passengers were led to believe the risk was something like a helicopter flight, when in fact it was probably closer to a game of Russian Roulette (1 in 6), especially as the number of dives added up.
Experts mention in interviews.
Eventually it would implode. But when???? It Ads more excitement to each trip and dive. ☺ its like: Feeling lucky today?☺
I believe Mr Rush was an egotistical unexperienced man who didn’t want to listen to anyone from his pride of building the titan that even if it was classified as unsafe he took the risk but the worst part was taking others & their money. It was doomed from the start & my heart goes to those who believed in this expedition which took their lives. 😮
He reminds me of Miles Bron from Glass Onion
I work at sea on subsea kit specifically, sonars and transponders etc so i know a little about pressure vessel and electronics for use in this. There are plenty of red flags that make me shake my head when i hear they were doing them but i have to point out- the media latched onto this PlayStation controller thing. Honestly thats not an issue, there are thousands of the made with few failures and they are reliable bits of kit. It’s probably a lot more reliable than some custom controller they would make. The fact it’s wireless concerns me more than the fact its a PlayStation controller.
An ex Los Angeles class sub commander said exactly the same thing on a CNN interview, I think it was, about the use of wifi.
I can't recall his exact words, but it was clear he was shocked at the concept.
@@Mike7O7O It comes with a wire as a back up. It would have been the most tested piece of kit ever to go underwater...
Sad for the kid who was nervous about going but agreed because it was father's day
His dad will never know just how much a sacrifice that gift was.
Tragic 😢
Mirroring the Abraham and Isaac story ,,, wizards witch’s and warlocks do these rituals daily
Reminds me a story of a jewish lady in an interview, who was just a kid escaping Germany during WWII. A married couple helped her and when it was time to get into the ships, this kid did not want to go in the ship carrying other kids, but the ship where the couple was. She had a tantrum and won. Some hours later, the ship carrying the kids was sunk by a submarine, and she felt relief but also guilty for having survived due to her tantrum.
There's a reason why all the other subs that visited the Titanic were spheres. A sphere can handle the pressure from all sides. The cylinder makes it easier to be crushed, and the cylinder made of carbon fiber means that it doesn't start bending, it just imediately breaks apart.
Exactly. Take an egg, press in from both ends and it will not break. Press on the side and it snaps like a piece of rice paper.
@@57JimmyJimmy little beans please? Such as have you , to and whatnot,,
Why those companies didn't offer touring service?
@@sebastian3004 Because they would only seat a couple people, and one had to be the pilot.
Not true, the Deepsea Challenger was a similar shape to Titan, only vertical instead
Carbon Fiber might withstand tensile forces, but it does not do well against repeated stress, nor does the epoxy used to hold it together. I suspect the main failure was the repeated stress caused by squeezing and unsqueezing of the hull over time. All it takes is a micro fracture one time during one squeeze to render the hull unsafe and you'd never know until the next time when the implosion happened. This is the advantage of using Steel or other similar metals over brittle laminates like epoxy or acrylic. At the pressures that deep you want something like carbon steel or titanium all the way around with no window. I would recommend having a couple well-shielded cameras for guidance. You would also want some way to escape from inside in case you had to return to the surface in an emergency. People make a big deal out of the game controller but they had backups. It doesn't inspire confidence, but it's not as big of a deal as the actual construction of the hull.
Yep. USN Subs use a game controller for controlling their periscope. It's simply an interface. You are absolutely correct about the hull construction; each crack heard was the fiberglass delaminating. There is also NO reason to go down there today with ROVs having HD cameras that can transmit video live to the surface. I can understand if it was shallow enough to dive around the wreck, but what's the difference between watching a live HD feed than going down in person to look out of a tiny window..
"also want some way to escape from inside in case you had to return to the surface in an emergency" what are you talking about? The human body is AT MAX able to withstand preassure at 1100 feet and more likely much less than that. Having such a device would be really dangerous if presses by accident.
there are submersibles made of acrylic with zero issues and several engineers talking about the tragedy have said acrylic is fine. I'm just going by other youtube videos I just watched about what happened. From memory Cameron even says acrylic is fine. What did you think those clear bubble windows on other deep sea submersibles are made of? You recommend lol.
This may be off topic but yeah carbon fiber doesn’t seem safe. I play hockey and we use carbon fiber sticks and they’re extremely durable but after a while they get flimsier from flexing, but after all of that stress they can just snap out of nowhere from a tiny tap during play. Should not be used to withstand thousands of pounds of pressure
@@bushmanphotos carbon fiber isn’t acrylic, it’s fiberglass. There is a big difference.
STOP CALLING IT A PLAYSTATION CONTROLLER, its a logitech $30 gamepad from amazon, probably can be used with ps but its NOT an official Playstation product stop saying that
My GrandDad Knew that the Titanic Was Going to Sink, He kept Telling Everyone But they Just Ignored Him, In The End They Threw Him Out Of the Cinema.
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Spoiler alert
Thank you. This fun is lowering my tension level. Seems I got uptight waiting for the rescue and counting down the oxygen.
Maybe we should just stay away from the titanic. Leave her and the souls at peace.
whats down there they dont want us to see?
@@anon362-em1cf That its not the Titanic down there
No respect for the dead. Now they have their answer. Poetic or divine justice.
That's like saying people shouldn't visit grave sites. Also, only an idiot believes the Titanic never sank, but (insert stupid conspiracy theory here) actually occurred.
No
my gosh it looks no more sophisticated than a pizza oven inside. I will never jump in something like that
At the beginning of this piece, it’s mentioned that 5 tourists died while attempting to tour the Titanic.
I would correct that.
It was actually four tourists (or as they were referred to on the Oceans Gate website, “specialists”) and the company CEO.
PH Nargolet was no tourist
Ph nargolet was a seasoned Titanic underwater explorer with over numerous dives .... I'm shocked that ph nargolet went on the titan
The problem with carbon fiber vs an all metal design is that carbon fiber doesn't do as well when subjected to compression loads (which is what submarines have to deal with due to the water pressure pushing in against the vessel). Another issue is cyclic fatigue. Every time the submarine dives and resurfaces, the structure contracts and expands slightly, this causes stresses or cracks on the structure and likely started de-laminating the carbon fiber layers and compromising the integrity. That is why the sub was successful the first couple times and then failed after that. This submarine should have been non-destructive tested after every single voyage.
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Oh! I was looking for this explanation. I was wondering how they managed successful dives to the wreck before tragedy struck.Thanks 👍🏻
Metal also undergoes fatigue. But it's well-known, predictable, and measurable.
They should have made more than one!!!
@@harrymills2770 The crucial difference is that metal will show dents and give you a warning so you could essentially ascend to a safer depth if structural integrity is nearing compromise, when carbon fibre fails, it does so without warning and in this case catastrophically.
The thing was bolted shut FROM THE OUTSIDE!! As soon as I heard that, I didn't need to hear any more. Even if they were on the surface, they would suffocate because they couldn't get out. People willingly getting in this thing is absolute insanity...
Yeah I'm pretty sure that most modern subs have a manual hatch that can be opened at the top. Seems like a really basic design oversight
Right? That's the first thing I thought of when I heard they were "bolted" in. Nope!!
I can actually understand the lack of a hatch. A hatch be another potential failure point for them. Having that seal hold up to those pressures would require some pretty advanced engineering. Just detaching the back of the sub to get in and out would greatly simplify it, just need to be careful as doing that to much could put wear... on attachment points.... which could... lead to.... implosion..............
The only smart one was the 19 year old who knew something was wrong
@@RobbDepphe couldn't have been very smart. Otherwise, he would have flat out refused to go onboard.
Love how they always mention the controller as if it was a bad decision, yet it was probably the most reliable thing ob the sub.
I think the controller is just the most obvious representative of the blaze attitude that went into designing that sub.
I think the Sharpies used to tape instructions were the most reliable 😂
@@ollieiTo be fair, the military has started to use some game controllers because new recruits find it easy to learn.
@@Cornponetheape and that statement right there says all about our current society. Not you OP, but the people out in the wild running around trying to see with their heads up their arse!
@@Cornponetheapeyeah that is true, but it’s the face it is a fairly cheap controller that helps show how poorly made the thing was, like they couldn’t even invest in a proper controller
Would anyone board a 747 knowing that the only means of control available to the pilot was a cheap game controller? Seems that the CEO was almost boasting that "no one has ever built a deep diving submersible like this" without stopping to wonder why.
This whole story makes me realize how little people actually know the engineering behind this.
The lights and handles from a camping store, and the ballasts and game controller is really not the problem, honestly those are fine.
The main issue is the material fatigue in the composite pressure vessel in something that large.
Would it be expensive to repair or replace? Overconfident, reckless or ?
@@Fido-vm9zirepairing and replacing would cost millions
Another thing which stands out from the great number of comments is that there are many people offering opinions which indicate that they don't have even an elementary understanding of physics. The effect of poorly educated people being free to disseminate their ideas widely, right or wrong, is cumulative. Broadcasters are often no better. Before accepting information, it's important to use critical thinking.
I agree with you but running the controller wireless is absolutely idiotic. You're in a small space and you want to risk command of the entire ship on AA batteries?
All of the those things point to an unprofessional attitude and execution. But hey, at least they hired diversity, lol.
With all these issues and incompetence, I'm surprised the sub lasted this long.
Oh it didn’t last long it probably imploded when they lost comms
@@jaymiller6009Yh like he also said it was a composite material when it should be a solid material like steel.
im surprised the families havent sued his estate for everything it's got and then some for murdering their family members ... due to incompetence and stupidity
@@kaboom-zf2blthe CEO responsible was the driver inside the sub. So he died along
It's something I fight against all the time as an engineer. People who aren't engineers trying to make technical decisions about things they don't understand like material selection.. Yes carbon fiber is strong and light but it's brittle and prone do invisible internal defects and needs to be laid up with great care to ensure the weave in each layer is in the right direction
"We didn't want to hire any 50 year old white guys. That wouldn't be inspirational"
James Cameron: "Here's a list I wrote down of everything you did wrong from my years of experience."
u want inspiration, eat some ben and jerry's chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream. one bit of that deliciousness and you'll be screaming and beating your chest like a wild animal, ready to go out and get things done.
wtf are you even saying. They were all old white guys. Please stfu.
@@crayolascentsIs there meth in that flavor?
Nah B&Js use carageenan in their ice cream now.....ill never eat phish food again 😭😭
They way society is going now even airlines gonna do the same
The aviation industry does not use pure carbon fiber pressure hulls for commercial aircraft because the material is hard to test non-destructively and it's response to repeated pressure/heat stress cycles is unpredictable. And that's just for less than a 1 atmosphere pressure difference... as an electronics engineer with a passing interest in material engineering, I don't get how anyone trusted their lives on this thing for deep sea exploration.
To make matters worse the Titan carbon fibre pressure hull was not even wound like a regular carbon fibre pressure vessel, but as a bobbin AND it didn't integrate the parts the titanium end caps screwed into. I get the water pressure would tend to push things together, but, all the same, the stresses inherent to dissimilar materials would, inevitably, eventually destroy that glue bond, surely?
As it always happens, it takes a tragedy like this to get laws passed. I feel bad for the teen boy who didn't even want to go. I would have never put my son's life in peril just for a selfish thrill.
They were in international waters. No regulatory agencies out there.
Laws, rules, regulations, and policies are ALL written in blood. All of them.
@@Sharon-bo2se This is true, but the company is on land and that is where the laws are. However, here's the thing the laws are already in place, he chose not to follow them. Established procedure, established technology already in place. Rush decided to use carbon fibre / titanium composite, which will eventually degrade in salt water, some components were made with store bought parts etc. - It's one thing to build a DIY submerisible that equalizes pressure by having water inside the sub, it's another like this, This guy ws cutting corners in order to sell a product to people.
Other companies have subs that go down 50 ft and travel around florida and then come back up, even that requires certification
As a matter of fact the 19 year old son pushed his dad to go on to this adventure
I bet they were all vaccinated
"If you want to be safe don't get out of bed" -Stockton Rush. Imagine entrusting your existince to this man in one of the most safety demanding environments.
Guess he is the one who put his bed on staircase landing.
But...but...what if there are bed bugs on the bed?
Reading this in bed
That's a sale pitch, if I ever heard one from a CEO businessman. The power of persuasion. Use common sense.
Stockton Rush unaware around 12.5% Americans die in their sleep.
The real problem here was the use of carbon fibre for the pressure vessel. Unlike steel which will start giving some indications of being under too much pressure a while before it actually fails carbon fibre will just let go without warning.
Oh okay
carbon composites don't fatigue like metal parts.. as long as the limit of elastic deformation isn't exceeded, they can be subjected to loads again and again for hundreds of thousands of cycles. what happens to carbon fiber is IF that elastic deformation limit is exceeded, it shatters.
think of it like a spaghetti.. you can bend it a bit over and over and over, but once you bend it too much it just.. snaps.
@@alexnicolaou3579 Thanks for complicating what I said :)
The people who have gone in the sub previously must feel lucky, foolish, and embarrassed.
Oceangate -- how appropriately named. It's the Watergate of engineering design.
😂😂😂😂😂 I thought the same thing.
...and the "Titan"??? All you need to do is add "ic" to that and it's the Titanic all over again. >.
@@ELEELISE why stop at 11 and not do 1+1 =2
@@ELEELISEjesus. That's a stretch.
@@DeliMeatTree It is the power of human brane to find parterns in some cases like here it is just beyond silly and plane crazy.
"Nothing has happened" is a statement that confuses FAMILIARITY with RISK. The CEO of Thiokol also had that confusion. He signed space shuttle Challenger approval to take off because nothing had happened, despite of the chief engineer warnings that Vandenberg rockets with similar design showed combustion leaks between rings. The CEO asked chief engineer for evidence that there was a danger, but this issue was not tested, so LACK OF DATA was confused with LACK OF EVIDENCE.
There's an old legal maxim that goes, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." One Air Force General reworded it as "absence of accident is not evidence of safety."
It would be much more responsibility involved if they would go to long time jail instead of just switching to another position at another company.
They have to explain loud and clear what was the reason they didn't react to warnings. Because they knew better? What did they know, what was the reasoning?
This sub already made three successful trips down to the Titanic. A game controller is not going to cause an implosion. Failing to certify the sub pressure integrity after each dive WILL lead to an implosion at depth.
If the controller went flat , it could possibly cause the sub to free fall
But the PlayStation controller is tragically emblematic of the CEO’s cavalier approach
This sub looks like something i would build in autocad in my backyard
It's sadly ironic, Stockton Rush said in an interview he wanted to be remembered as an innovator and a rule breaker. That was a similar mindset to Bruce Ismay. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and when hubris is involved like this the cost is innocent lives.
Don't compare that clown to Ismay. Ismay helped build one of the safest liners made. It was bad timing and luck that sank the Titanic. Name me another ship that could survive 4 compartments anywhere in the ship and could survive.
he will certainly be remembered as a rule breaker
@@josephayers7395 He didn't help make it. He paid for it. Lord Pierre and his company Harland and Wolfe built it.
@joshuahudson5336 Correct but Islay had an input on the design.
@@josephayers7395 to an extent. There are things he can't modify, as he was the customer. Harland and Wolfe would ask if certain things were to his liking. Like a construction company asking you if you like how your house is looking. The safety aspects were out of his control and entirely in Harland and Wolfes hands.
The flaws behind the disaster can be wholly attributed to the man that decided to ignore the experts.
The CEO is only responsible for this tragedy and met his fate but what about those poor souls who trust him and died in dark water deep down. It is just too much scary to think about. 😢
Everyone working on this is responsible..
Yes but also PH. I think the fact that PH was onboard together with the CEO helped the others think it must be safe. PH should have known better??.
Stockton rush was blinded by his dreams and ambitions, he was a mad man!!
The sad part about this tragedy is that the problems about the sub probably wouldn’t even had made the news if nothing bad had happened.
It also wouldn't have made the news if they weren't Billionaires and Millionaires.
Im not sure about that
It would have made news just on one of the following trips this was bound to happen at some point
@@TweetyTaffyi disagree. At first I had no idea about their wealth and I was still just as glued in.
@@TweetyTaffy So you are saying that if it were just scientists trapped in there the story would've not made the news??? Not all scientists are millionaires. The majority aren't actually.
What I don’t get is: Paul-Henri Nargeolet was the most experienced passenger with 35 trips down to the wreck. Did it not occur to him there was something shoddy about the Titan submersible?
Apparently he did criticize the design, and voiced his concerns, but he was also thrilled to « try a new thing ». I suppose he chose to be optimistic at the wrong time.
It is also talked about at the end of this video. He had doubts about the submarine, but hopped in anyway.
meth is a hell of drug
@@Yuralittlebitchn1gga😂😂😂
I probably shouldn't laugh, but ...
@@Yuralittlebitchn1gga thts what in sayin
Stockton: “Safety is a pure waste”
The Ocean: Hold my beer🍺
Ouch
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Ocean: "Are you sure about that?"
These people seem not to be able to explain why this and that was dangerous. The metal used for the ballast is rusty? So the boat imploded because of rust? The controller was from a playstation? Was this the reason for the catastrophy? Did the "components bought from Camping World" caused the boat (it's no submarine, of course) to fail? It's all cheap polemical propaganda and klickbait.
Among the victims, Hamish Harding was a true adventurer. He went to space last year.Also has the world record of diving into Mariana Trench for the longest period. He succesfully dived into 11000m that time, but this time got killed only to reach 3800m. The Oceangate company and its CEO Rush has to take all the blames.
But Rush is dead
@@utsavbose5746There is another co-founder who is also partly responsible
It's insane that he was able to get away with this. He is probably the last one too
@@qcrew2938he did this multiple times. This was his 5th and Final time of course.
probably not* is more like it.
I cant believe how arrogant the CEO is about his submersibles innovation versus peoples safety. I'm kind of shocked anyone even went aboard. They obviously weren't told about the non certification issue. What a shame.
Shocking that Rush creature was allowed to function
Controller wasn't the issue at all, any and all media focus on that should be flat-out ignored. Hull was not properly tested and rated for the depth it was trying to achieve. Before you even think of diving in ANY kind of submersible you need to be 100% certain of hull integrity. All of the failsafes, back-up systems, and redundancies are totally useless in the event of catastrophic hull pressure failure.
Based on what the owner of Titan sub said, it is indestructible and safe submarine. Just like the maker of Titanic ship said, the ship is "Unsinkable". But look what happend.😢😢😢
Ironic isnt it?
I don't think he ever said that. Don't believe everything you hear
@@missmong12he talked about it in an interview and said something similar. It's true but I think looking at everything this CEO wanted to die and tie his life to titanic forever
The newspapers claimed that the Titanic was unsinkable. The very prospectus advertising the trip explicitly stated that no ship is unsinkable and merely described the Titanic as having better safety features than any ship ever built before. The tragedy is that these very features probably made Captain Smith over-confident, so that he took foolish risks. A little fear can be wholesome!
In 2021 Stockton Rush said: "You're remembered for the rules you break." What an interesting twist of fate. It would almost be comical if he hadn't taken others with him to his death.
Stockton also said "safety was a pure waste". I rest my case.
He will be remembered by the rules that broke him. The rules of physics.
It will now have its eternal place alongside the Titanic story, They will always be associated with it.
Also quoted a War Criminal MacArthur
Aged like fine wine lol
Imagine if Stockton Rush wasn’t on that Dive? His family/friends obv miss him but they gotta know he dodged a bullet by not having to deal with this aftermath.
I am shocked that Paul Henri went on this trip.
He seemed a much smarter man than to take this risk.
He probably would have been complacent with dives after so long
Yep, and old man blinded by new tech talk
Yeah Paul was a dummy disguised as a genius, it happens.
To build a pressure vessel out of carbon fiber was insane. It’s too bad someone competent in engineering couldn’t have warned the passengers. Stockton Rush was delusional.
if the pressure is on the inside, like a fireman's air bottle, carbon fiber is tough to beat,,, but pressure from the outside is WRONG. Put a string in tension... very strong.... now put the same string in compression.. you have no strength
Maybe, but I think the viewport or where the end-caps connected to the hull are two more likely sources of failure in this case. The viewport was literally only rated to a fraction of the depths they were diving to, as pointed out in 2018 by the engineer they fired.
@@harrymills2770 yeah, that could have been the culprit, hard to say. It was only rated at 1300 meters. But with each mission, thousands of fibers of composite would be fractured, it’s near impossible to detect that. Like straws on a camels back.
The Canadian guy hated 50 yo white man. So..
@@xziaah6j63kx9 haha no fifty year old white man with an ounce of sense would go near that thing
I think the fact that the CEO went in the capsule together with them is the false sense of security given to the others, who are not privy to the construction and maintenance of the craft, just a calculated risk went awfully wrong and cost all of them their lives. RIP.
Signing a Waiver would be red flags for me!!!!!!😮
@@faithnaidoo7647 I guess you'll never go parachuting, then.
Their consciousness still don't know that they died.
The CEO wasnt going on a suicide mission. He trusted the craft and it was backed by multiple safe trips to the titanic. Him going in the craft is an ultimate testament of his trust and belief. Yes he was wrong. But I have respect for him as the "captain of the ship who sunk with her".
@@ishanjoshi1350MULTIPLE safe trips to the titanic”??Did you even watch the video you’re commenting on? how easy do u think it is to see the titanic wreckage at the bottom of the ocean? And respect? for him?? Respect for a coward that dragged others through the promise of a lie on a blatant suicide mission? If he wanted to, he could have went the 13000ft below himself FIRST to test it. I would respect THAT. Oh but then he’d be dead still. At least the other four people would have been alive though. Plus if he actually believed in his sub, he wouldn’t have went so crazy with the waiver.
ultra high risk mission must have extreme safety precaution and must not be ignored!!!
Those are not flaws, those are features.
You have managerial capabilities
Of suicide machine!
@Pau_Pau9 I saw Suicide Machine at the Rose Bowl back in 98. They were AMAZING!
😂😂😂😂
This guy gets it
The loss of the passengers on board is very tragic and I send my sincere condolences for their loss. As for the CEO that built the Titan, tragic as his loss is as well, seems fitting he went down with his craft. However anyone feels about red tape, regulation, rules, certifications what ever you call it, my career was Submarines, SubSafe was a big thing. For a reason and the Submersible community knew it as well. The Titan was a full on RED Flag from the start.
The failure cause was the collapse of the carbon fiber tube. STOP .
The Titan has further proved why submersible regulations are a must follow.
Also, anyone who is a sea person do not name their craft after the wreck they are going after, even if we know it is just superstition.
@@BrawndoQC like naming your ship Bermu and sailing in the Bermuda Triangle?
The only tragic thing about the CEO's death was that he took others with him. This would qualify as a Darwin Award if not for the passengers.
This guy clearly thought he was the smartest guy in the room at all times... he was not. Anyone who tells you your safety doesn't matter... don't follow them into a death trap under the sea.
Yes he was a narcissist
I wouldn’t doubt that Stockton rush used the money to fuel a luxurious lifestyle than improve the sub
I watched a video about the original father and son passengers for this trip, the son was concerned about the safety of the trip the CEO brushed it off. The father mentioned the CEO met him in Vegas and flew in on an experiemental helicopter HE built....The father really understood how reckless that guy was and how much he brushed off obvious safety concerns and backed out. It may sound a bit cold but this guy needed to go down with his creation, he was warned multiple times about this, he fired an expert that warned him about the safety. I can understand the wanting to experience something many people can't say they have but, to disregard blantant red flags..even with the few sucessful trips his luck was going to run out eventually. If something went wrong and he was able actually get them back up to safety, something tells me he would just try it again in the future he was not going to stop, his passion and ego to prove experts wrong was rediculous. It's unfortunate these people with the exception of the son who was terrified to go but did for his father, allowed themselves to get suckered into this madness by a charsmatic moron....waiver or not this man with a straight face showed he would steer the sub with a bluetooth joystick to go UNDERWATER and people still trusted him with their lives ?!?!?!
When the 19yo kid has more brains then so called adults.
Yea fr wtf up with trying to prove experts wrong with a death trap!?! Rip to all those in the crash but yea he prob wouldn't stop and would cost more lives
Exactly how I feel about this.
Never wanted ANYone to die.
Between the ego/insanity of the owner to the sheer stupidity of those who purchased seats (the 19 kid, broke my heart), can the passengers deaths be considered suicide..?🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
It's not right to wish death and suffering on another. Obviously they literally just did not know better.
And so if someone might be up to something which might cause harm to another or also even theirself - ideally, should just seek to stop them without harming them - not just turn a blind eye and ignore them, not seek to harm them.. Should just carefully take matters in own hands to deal with the issue now without harming another, not ignore. Like see the train's gonna drive off the cliff and the person driving the train seems to not see the issue - then just literally break into the train driver compartment pushing the person driving the train aside and just slam the brakes to stop the train from falling off the cliff..!
Getting things done should not be about seeking an answer (certification) for whether or not something works from another person or what ever just because are higher on some make belief 'authority' - rather, must absolutely just know what exactly is going on. Need to think things through. Ensure have no leaks - airtight. If something just doesn't work then obviously at least relatively speaking - it just doesn't work - need to get it right the first time.
Think about building something, then just building it and it just work flawlessly from the get go..
- Perhaps were all just people all living around each other and maybe with technology can bring anyone back alive again and continue without memory loss. Hierarchy, as in 'law certification' really is just a make belief concept - what should really matter is just thinking logically and valuing each other existence to never leave anyone behind.
- Also if can have technology to bring anyone back alive again should still seek to just stop a person who would harm others and even theirself without harming or ignoring them. Not torture, need to just explain what it means to live around each other, to value each other. Must always value each other.
- PS, it should be possible to bring anyone back alive again, a person physically live in their brain as their own material - travelling from neuron to neuron as a neuron signal, travelling down a neuron as electricity and then sent out as a chemical neural transmitter which maybe continue travelling into another receiver end of maybe another neuron. Death is literally just falling apart. Maybe just maybe can find someone who fell apart and put them into a new brain with new body to live again..
-- Another thing to say to you person who posted that comment on youtube and perhaps others is should definitely sign up to at least get brain frozen at a facility if to die so maybe can slow the process of death and suffering and maybe just maybe can be brought back alive again with the use of technology - like transferred into a new healthier brain with body to continue living. Like from what I've seen there is a company called 'Alcor Life Extension Foundation' which perhaps offer to sign up to get at least brain frozen for around 80k$ or 200k$ for entire body. In all honesty should not have to sign up should freeze anyone free of cost so as to just not leave anyone behind.
NEVER leave anyone behind.
It is mind blowing how those 3 other people were convinced to take the dive...