Product Review - Red Label Surface Conditioning Belts
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Always nice to have another tool in the Arsenal eh!! Nice job on the bolt modification!!☺
Thanks RoadKing! I coulda just bought a new button head bolt, but modifying the existing bolt was fun!
i use belts such as those on my 2 x 72 belt grinder to condition some of the knife finishes
I've had really good luck with those belts!
Great Video. Very helpful in explaining the use of the belts. I’m going pick some up.
Thanks! Let me know how you like them!
Great video Magdad and a nice sister. I’ve never seen these before so it was a nice surprise. Can’t wait till next week now. Thank You for sharing
Thanks Jack! My sister is great!
Thank you for the time and the review, it's stopped me wanting to buy, apart from the price, fitting difficulties the main worry is the strain it would put on the motor with regular use, I'm sticking to fibre wheels and non woven 3 m pads!! Thank you magdad
I'm not sure I would have bought them for myself, but they were a nice birthday present!
ooh that is really a clever solution for the bolt contact..... really nice
Thanks Brian! I've had really good success with these belts!
HAHA! Just when I thought Chuck wasn't going to make a cameo. He shows up! I really like those belts. I would assume with a teency weight loss due to fuzz coming off, they will not be as tight. Wen that happens, they should start better! Pun intended..... They sure zip the stuff off. It's like a belt of scotch brite! I'll have to check my HF sander. Mine is loud as heck, maybe a bolt sticking out! Good tip. Great video!
Thanks Aaron! The belts are starting on their own more often now that I've used them some.
They do make a nice finish..I am confused though..I thought all belt sanders have an adjustment for belt tension..if not maybe you could modify something like make slots where the motor mounts ?
The back pulley pivots on that bold and has a spring to keep tension. There's only adjustment for run-out. I think all of the 1 x 30 machines are made the same way.
Thanks for the review! I have watched you use them but this was a great help. Thanks for sharing this.
There are a couple other companies making these now. I think one of them offers a belt even finer than the blue belt. I've seen a leather strop belt too.
Very good product review. Maybe jump starting will become unnecessary with time and use as the belts stretch slightly. As you said time will tell. That is a very nice old Stanley screwdriver. If those are factory notches in the blade tip, then that's something new to me. Looking forward to the resto video. Thanks
Thanks Pat! I think the notches were a modification made by a former owner.
Nice work on the bolt head. Making it work!
I coulda just bought a button head bolt, but modifying the existing one was more fun!
Nice review Magdad! Great information!
Thanks T-Wrecks!
Great review, I knew about these but never tried them so I was glad to see your video. Thanks
Thanks Tony!
You do the best reviews Magdad. Thanks for doing this! I bought one for my 1x30 a while back and it popped immediately. I think I’ll try one for my 1x42. I want it to work so bad maybe I can will it to happen. Take care 😃👍🏼
Thanks David! I can understand how popping the seam on an $8 belt would be a downer!
I used scotch-bright polishing belts, which are like these without the abrasive, in my crankshaft business. Same deal with them being stiff till they get broken in.
Thanks for the info Bill!
Great review. I think I’ll wait until your follow up video before I jump at getting these.
Thanks Gary! I hope they last me a long time!
Nice review. Keep us posted. Very interesting!
Thanks Tom! Will do!
Thanks for the review, and my apologies if I missed it, but I'm wondering if you feel these are better or offer an advantage over traditional belts? Are they just another way to do the same thing with abrasive belts or are they faster, or produce a better finish (quieter?)? Does the added nap make them better at getting into dings and crevices, or make it less likely to sand a flat spot? Just wondering if I should (and why) take the plunge. Thanks again for the videos.
Thanks for watching! I usually sand with conventional belts first - down to maybe 120 grit, then use the conditioning belts.
Good video. Those seem great but as you say, the real test will be time. I hope they last. Thanks for posting.
Love your lead-in to the next video.
Thanks Ben! I'll plan to do an update video once they wear out.
Thanks for this, I had no idea these existed! If you find they hold up reasonably well I'll add them to the list of things I want to acquire this year to help with tool restorations.
Somewhat related, I only just discovered that fibre wheels can be found that go up to 600 grit (I previously thought 360/400 was as high as they went). I don't know if this is old news to you but I thought I'd mention it in case you hadn't heard they went up that fine and wanted to give them a shot.
Thanks for the info on the 600 grit fiber wheels!
I know that this is a pretty old video, but I have a question. I bought a set of these belts. I'm currently working on an old tack hammer that I found at a garage sale. My question is, after using the fine belt, is the tool ready for Flitz? It looked like some pretty heavy sanding lines were still visible. Will Flitz take them out?
I usually start with a 120 grit sanding belt and then go through the three grades of conditioning belts. After the fine blue belt the metal should be ready to polish.
I bought a similar belt sander after watching your videos. I just got it today, and I'm finding that using it isn't as easy as you make it look. I also got some polishing belts that appear to be just fine grade sandpaper. I'm trying it on a small ballpeen hammer I recently received. It will be interesting to see how it comes out.
The 1 x 30 sander is a versatile machine! Check out ScoutCrafter's beginners guide:
ruclips.net/video/K45S37mXcWw/видео.html
Great review, keep them coming👍
Thanks!
Thank for your time and honest a great video 🍺🍺👍👍😷🇬🇧
Thanks Brian!
Those look useful, thanks for the review 👍 😊
Thanks Sparky! I'm still trying to work them into my "process"!
Cool video! Can’t wait to see how that screwdriver comes out!
Thanks Ian!
They appear to work very well. The big question is how did they hold and how long did they last? I've been thinking of ordering some for my 1x30.
I've been using the same original set. I compare them to a new set in this video:
ruclips.net/video/kF9b4HXPtFk/видео.html
They work great! Those belts would almost entirely eliminate the need for me to use my angle grinder polishing discs. Good product👍
The knife makers swear by them. I wanted to try them but I thought they were a little pricey. I'm glad my sister hooked me up!
Please take note of the condition of the plastic pulleys. I am concerned the fibers on the back of the belts will be abrasive enough to wear them down. Though if they do, that will slightly reduce the tension and help the motor restarts. I wonder if you could upgrade the belt sander with a capacitor, or replace the motor with one that has built in capacitors.
Wen it dies, it dies! LOL These 1x30 machines are cheaply made. I got the Wen because I thought I might need the disc sander, but I don't use it much.
@@357magdad Bucktool probably makes some of the best budget 1x30" and 1x42" sanders you can buy, followed by the Rikon belt sander! Highly recommend the 1x42" which you would be very hard pressed to bog down even running those surface conditioning or thick ceramic belts! I can go full pressure and it does a very good job of chugging steel and have not had issues with overheating even running it for hours on end.
Sincerely,
JS
Hopefully I will be able to sell some of my finished projects and get a belt sander! It looks a lot safer than the high seed rotary tools I've been using! Lol almost lost body parts already 😅 can be very dangerous.. I've learned the importance of vice grips lol and fingertips!
My 1x30 sander has been a useful tool.
Outstanding review! They look like they might be great for certain applications! =D
Thanks ScoutCrafter! Do you have a Harbor Freight 1x30? Based on my video, do you think they would work on your machine?
This is not related to these belts but about the wen grinder. I have a pace maker and was thinking about purchasing a wen. Does the wen have a metal drive wheel or is it plastic. If you would help in my decision. Thanks
Thanks for watching Sidney! The wheels are plastic. If you're concerned about electrostatic shock, don't get one of these! I get zapped constantly in the winter when the air in my basement shop is dry.
Do you know of one that has a metal drive wheel. I have enjoyed your RUclips channel so much since I found it. Learn a lot from and others you have recommended. Thanks again for reply.
@@sidneylaughter3437 Sorry Sidney I do not. I am suspicious that all of the low cost 1x30 machines are made the same. You might have better luck finding a vintage machine like Joe's shop.
Interesting review....the price is a little steep if you do a lot of refurbishing...I like John’s idea of using wire wheel,to knock most of patina off, then moving to these belts....
I'm still experimenting with how best to work them into my "process".
Those seem to work nice! I'm hesitant to use the nylon stuff because I don't want plastic fibers everywhere. Did it heat the metal up at all? I noticed you didn't dunk it in water, so I was curious whether or not it did.
The metal got warm, but the belts worked so fast that I didn't need to dunk in water.
If I really wanted, could I put 2x36 sanding or conditioning belts on my 4x36 belt and disc sander? They just don’t have a wide variety of 4x36 belts. Thanks.
It might work. Combat Abrasives sells the 4x36 conditioning belts.
@@357magdad cool. Yes , but it’s $120 for three belts and I think only they do 4x36 surface belts, no one else. Thanks
Nice review Bud!...I'm very close to buying the red label pac...its more of a want than a need right now though:]...:[ Hmmm
Thanks D&R! I used them to clean up the blade on a buddy's pocket knife and they worked fantastic!
A few belts now and then are a good thing! 👍👍👀😆 (I'll show myself out...)
LOL
Do you use a respirator when you use these type of belts?
I wear a dust mask every time I use my 1x30, no matter what belt.
Cool product thanks for the review!
Thanks Madstiles!
Thanks for doing the review for us. i wonder if using the wire wheel then the fine belt would give the same results. Interested in your long term results.
Thanks John! I'm still experimenting with how to work these into my "process". I cleaned up a pocket knife for a friend the other day and the belts did a great job on the blade.
was that an old Stanley screw driver you were using to test it out on
It was! Chuck and I decided to make it next week's video!
It'll be good to know how long the belts last versus regular sanding belts.
They seem to be quality made. I hope they last a long time!
I would suggest socket cap screws for that modification. I was already thinking about getting a 1x30 and this may have put me over the edge.
I could've replaced the bolt, but modifying it was fun! The 1x30 has been a good tool for me. I bought the Wen because of the additional disc sander, but I admit I don't use it very much.
I have the brown version for my 1 x 42. I am still on the fence about if i like it. Cheers
The coarse brown belt is super aggressive. I recently used the belts on a pocket knife blade for a friend and the blue belt left a very nice finish - almost didn't have to Flitz!
I guess time will tell whether they're cost effective or not........Looking forward to your final results.
Thanks! I'll keep you posted!
Interesting! Regarding the tightness problem, as it is non woven it might be possible to gently stretch it?
Edit: that would probably solve the motor problem too!
I think they are wearing in. I don't want to stretch them too much!
Yes they probably stretch after some time. But if you decide they are worth getting more of your poor motor might decide to quit eventually.
Still interesting product!
Edit again: you could try buying a more potent start capacitor to help it start.
They are usually on the weak side from the factory anyway and will not cost you many dollars to replace!
They look really good I wonder if they’ll wear a lot slower as well?
They seem well made. Hopefully they last a good while!
Good review, they seem to work good. Maybe after some use the belts will stretch a bit and you won't have to help it start up anymore? It might be a bit tight on purpose?
Thanks Alex! I hope they wear in.
I use these belts. They do a really good job
I use them on almost every project!
Really interesting review. May be cost prohibitive for lots of rust removal. Still really worthwhile review. Thanks
Thanks Robin! I'm still experimenting with how to best fir them into my "process".
I am still not sold on the fiber wheel. Maybe I am just too old school! But I still feel you can not out perform stacking grit marks on traditional sandpaper for the money! I am sure I will give a fiber wheel a try at some point, but $8 a belt, machine modification, and extra wear on the electrical motor over time. Not worth it in my opinion. Thanks for the info though! See you at the same Bat time, on the same Bat channel!
Knife makers seem to like these belts and I've been wanting to give them a try. It was nice of my sister to hook me up on my birthday!
@@357magdad agreed!
They worked very well. For me the cost would be a factor. Thanks
I'm with you Glen! I probably wouldn't have these if my sister didn't get them for me!
I use the Red Label sanding belts and I found that they are a good product.
I have some of their sanding belts too.
Man I might get the 1x30 assortment knowing it’s 3 for the price of one
Cool sister 😎
I use my conditioning belts on almost every project. I'm still using my first set!
Anybody ever wonder if all modern 1x30 inch belt sanders are made in the same factory, but with various minor differences and branding? They are all suspiciously similar...
There were several Amazon reviews claiming the belts wouldn't fit on the Harbor Freight 1x30. I'm not sure if the problem is similar to what I found on my Wen. If it is, it was a pretty simple fix.
Those belts work great, a bit pricey. Let’s see how long they last
Thanks David, I'll keep you posted!
Nice! Those work pretty good.
Knife maker's swear by them. I was put off by the price, but my sister hooked me up!
@@357magdad
I made a dagger out of a file about 27 years ago when the company I worked for wouldn't lay me off. I used a hand grinder and then the same subsequent 3M Roloc discs and made a cool thing that I still have. Those abrasives can remove more than you want to if you aren't careful. Nice addition to the toolbox, glad to know cool stuff is out there and available. Oh, I got paid 8 hours to make my dagger!
Its now $35 dang...
I think they are worth every penny. Check out my four year review:
ruclips.net/video/2hm-M8e-7RA/видео.html
Now let's get the screwdriver finished hope they last a long time
I hope you like how the screwdriver turned out!
Fell asleep during the viewing of this video.
RUclips is a big place, I bet you can find content that matches your attention span.
Pretty aggressive belts.should be useful.
The brown belt is a beast! The red and blue give a really nice finish!