Lord Jamar: The First Africans Were Tricked, Not Forced, Into Slavery
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2017
- Frequent VladTV collaborator Lord Jamar is back, and here he dissects Ben Carson's decision to refer to African slaves as American immigrants. Jamar argues that early African slaves were tricked, not forced, into slavery by Europeans who promised them a better life in the Americans. Therefore, LJ contends, early slaves did have an immigrant mentality. Vlad and Lord Jamar go on to discuss Emmett Till and the role of mass media in catalyzing social change. Watch above.
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am I the only one who watches vlads videos for Lord Jamar??
inderjit gill yeah
No
no
inderjit gill I usually don’t, lord jamar is stuck in his views honestly he doesn’t have a open mind at all.
He has had the absolute best interviews by far with Vlad
school makes you think some big white boys came and snatched africans up 😂
Simon Says ain't nobody snatched anybody, they went over there and asked how manny niqs can they get for a sack of beans and 10 pounds of rice! 😂
graffProdigy 😂😂😂
+JimboParadox Europeans back then had bigger balls than anyone today, sailing into the unknown. Slaughtering anyone who got it there way. Yeah Africans sold you into slavery, your own people turned on you. And Europeans did snatch you up.
+Bella Bauvl The Slave look at your profile picture? ew foot slave yuck.
Simon Says I know right like when they can’t put the blame on white people they put it on someone else like Arabs like bruh your the only ones to blame
You telling me in 2017 there are no black owned platforms where we can go to discuss these topics instead of giving people outside our community everything!
Djdjf Shfurh mainstream bro Black Owned!
Keepit Trill you know these folks gone find a way, shid look at WSHH...
Nope we can't own nothing
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Why are u here commenting then?🤔
First, let's clear up a popular misconception. First, most slavery on the African continent was more akin to European indentured servitude than it was to American chattel slavery, so this idea that "Africans massively enslaved their own people" was not the dehumanizing slavery in the context of ongoing whips, chains, rape, castration and brutality that American slavery was.
Second, Africans rarely sold their OWN people. People forget that the Africans black Americans descend from were from dozens upon dozens of different ethnic groups, languages, histories, religions, lifestyles, etc. across West, Central and Southeast Africa and literally had no more in common with each other culturally than a person from India and a person from China does, despite the fact they're both Asian.
There were in fact many slaves who were directly kidnapped by Europeans, and by contractors Europeans hired. But most slaves were sold to Europeans by Africans, but Africans did not necessarily sell out their "own" people.
Africans sold out their rival ethnic groups, prisoners of war, sometimes criminals from their own groups, who at the time, they did not view as "their people" but as rivals or enemies. But Europeans manipulated small rivalries and made them much larger in scale, armed one group to conquer others to get slaves, then armed other groups to defend themselves, etc. and no matter who won, Europeans procured more slaves. It was basically a classic case of divide and conquer.
But no, they were not "tricked" in the sense of being "bribed" to coming to the United States, especially considering that the United States didn't even exist at the time the first Africans were enslaved. It wasn't even a concept. It was still just a little British colony that needed a lot of manpower to mine its resources.
People forget that only after the slave trade took more than 12 million people from the African continent, (many of which were skilled artisans, soldiers, carpenters, farmers, builders, etc), did European nations began colonizing Africa. Simply because before, West and Central African kingdoms were very well organized, but not after the transatlantic slave trade, which took an enormous amount of manpower from the continent and devastated previously organized societies. It would be like someone trying to conquer weakened European nations immediately after WW2.
In that context, Africans were "tricked" because they were manipulated into escalated warfare and weakened each other's kingdoms, making them ripe for takeover later. But to say enslaved Africans were not forced into slavery is a damn lie. The Africans who were enslaved, either initially by rivals for Europeans or by Europeans directly , were very much forced into slavery. There was nothing optional about it.
David Elliott Great info.
"First, slavery on the African continent was more akin to European indentured servitude" You're suggesting that all slavery in Africa was uniform in its standards? Simply not the case. Otherwise, you typically narrate slavery as being a European practice (seemingly ignorant or disinterested in the equally severe Islamic slave trade, or the history of slavery in East Asia, etc) visited on Africans. And I find your claims that the administration of Western and Central African kingdoms (most of whom encouraged slavery, BTW, and some of whom profited from the trade of slaves) were compromised by the North American slave trade completely facetious. Can you point to the work of any reputable historian who has documented such a claim? The slaves taken from Africa were not of the aristocracy. By and large, they were an underclass seen as disposable in their de facto homelands (and also by and large in their adoptive homelands).
+mymentor Let"s address your claims. To begin, it is a very well documented fact by any number of historians and history books that "in MOST African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and were given certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world." Lovejoy, Paul E. (2012). Transformations of Slavery: A History of Slavery in Africa.
That is just a quick example for the purpose of this text, but literally ANY book on African slavery will tell you that. There was no suggestion that ALL slavery that occurred on the African continent was uniform in its standards, also considering not everyone on the African continent is indigenous to that continent. For example, like its name implied, the Arab slave trade originated with Arabs, not with the indigenous African populace. Nor did anyone suggest that slavery was strictly a European institution and existed on no other continent on Earth, including the middle East, East Asia, etc.
But last I checked, this video, and this the conversation of this forum, is about the African slaves taken during the Atlantic Slave trade, and those captives were the African ancestors of most black Americans, and that specific trade was originated and carried on by Europeans, primarily the Portuguese, the Spanish, and the British.
The Arab slave trade did not primarily occur in West Africa. The Arab Slave Trade occurred in Northeast and Eastern Africa, and the severity of that trade originated with Arabs, not indigenous Africans. And while deeply severe, would I compare that with more than 12 million people being taken across an ocean in conditions so disgusting that literally millions died just on the journey?
No, I wouldn't. Would I compare that to the slavery where masters were known to sodomized their male slaves, routinely rape and impregnated their female slaves and enslaved their own children, and bred their slaves like cattle. No, I'm going to stick with American slavery being a bit more severe. Not that it's a popularity contest.
And yes, it is also a know historic fact, and well documented, that Europeans did escalate the warfare between African states, and turn slavery in West and Central Africa into a "massive business enterprise." This is literally basic information found in hundreds of books about the transatlantic slave trade. The fact is even in hundreds of videos across the net. Here is a five minute long one by TED-ED, which is good for children and adults. Type in "the Atlantic Slave Trade, what too few textbooks told you."
In reference to most African slaves being seen as an underclass in their own societies, I will repeat another fact, which is that the Africans sold by other Africans were from RIVAL tribes, and either considered enemies, debtors, or prisoner's of war by the people they were sold by. They were not mostly sold by their OWN societies, but by rival ones. Many of prisoners of war, which made them soldiers. Many were kidnapped during raids, which means they could have been on any level in own societies.
A famous and notable example of an enslaved West African nobleman in the United States was Abdul Rahman Ibrahim ibn Sori, who was an Amir in West Africa who was captured and enslaved in the United States for more than 40 years, until he was freed by order of President John Quincy Adams after the sultan of Morocco asked for his release. Off that example alone, imagine how many people were enslaved whose lineage was not known in their own societies.
You cannot say what a person's status was in their OWN societies because the vast majority of the time, they were captured and sold by RIVAL societies, meaning societies not their own.
David Elliott 💯💯💯💯1⃣0⃣0⃣⭐⭐⭐
+David Elliott Facts.
Divide and conquer was the strategy.
And it STILL is.
It's still working in 2020
Everyone talks a big game but when it comes to it, nobody steps up. So you're lucky there's a platform to express these things at all. Not to mention how the black community drag eachother down every chance they get. What happend back then was disgusting, horrible and should not have happend. But if the black community doesn't stop idolizing dumb shit and continues to disrespect themselves, nobody is going to elevate. There's a small percentage of black people who don't reinforce the stereotypes. Salute to them. Hard working , caring, self educated or educated otherwise people. People with morals and values. The youth gets worse and worse and worse. And don't give me that shit about the white man setting us up like that. I was born and raised in the ghetto. And made an effort to leave. I don't dump all my money on gucci flip flop or support gang banging music artists. I don't go around getting chicks knocked up and I save my money for things that I needed like school. Our community just loves the hood too much. And yall are pretending we are forced into that shit. It's generations of our folk who just didn't give a shit. You can either grow from what happend during Jim crow and prior or continue to regress and point fingers in 2019.
Still is......
Jamar may be a plant to divide and conquer black people,,, hmmmmmmmmmmm. Why is his word truth? Just cause it fits with your, or mine, views??? He's as divisive as anyone you call divisive
Warring tribes would sell their prisoners of war into slavery .
85jmurk thank you
85jmurk trade pure and simple
You are right. American indians did the same. Im italian and at one point in history we were slaves also. But we dont use it as a crutch.
@@nancypiccirillo405 clearly yalls stint in slavery wasnt as devastating as ours .
@@nancypiccirillo405
You wasn't a slave for more than 400 years, plus Sharecropping which IS updated slavery which is more than 400 years!!!!! and your people still aren't getting killed solely for their skin color.
So save that mess.
These Lord Jamar videos are a blessing.
Absolute.
Tea Cup Tickling MOFO's lmao
The hard truth is, Africans colluded against each other, not Knowing the reality of what they were doing. And many tribes who were warring against each other did band together to fight against traders. But who thought that it was the color of my skin that is the initiative to harm and destroy another human
That ain't hard Truth nigga thats half truth
Because skin color was never an identity in Africa. Africans are and were different people and not just one people. However in Europe and Asia skin color or being of the same race wasn't enough too. Skin color is an identity is an American invention. Native Americans were also tribalistic and the Europeans took advantage of it. Black Americans have huge problem when it comes to history they can't cope with unpleasant facts and truth. Some black Americans deny to be African and claim to be Native Americans that were never enslaved and other claim to be the real Jews from the bible. Really sad.
Who would've known, maybe the genocides being committed by one tribe or another would've given it away.
Zarahification bruh what are you talking about it’s already been proven black Americans founded America before slavery and plus majority of the slaves they got from Africa been sent to South America...
That's only one phase of slavery you speak on.
A lot of white supremacist comments on this video
wisewilltcp right
wisewilltcp paid trolls
Lmfao u wiggers are so funny racist
rap fans lmfao
BurrosSWE The Congo (like the entirety of Africa today) is a calamity because of European greed and imperialism. The Congo was decimated in the late 18 - early 1900s by King Leopold ll of Belgium who slaughtered 15 MILLION natives in labor camps, mutilating men, women, and children, while working them to death and selling thousands into slavery. This was the largest single act of genocide in HUMAN HISTORY. Don't dare speak on history you know nothing of
alot of ignorant bigot blacks too
Best interview!!
Thinking out loud and claiming they are “facts”, does not make them facts.
these conversations will never get old ..what y'all think
Timeless
Lord Jamar is out his depth here
I agree. Vlad is racist as well is lady jasmine. I wish you tube would take down this chanel as it promotes racism.
Louis Farrakhan son married a white woman. Thank how many Nation of Islam rapper rappers f*** white girls.
Lord Jamar is heavy!. much respect brother.🖖✌🤙👏
THESE TEA CUP TINKLING MUTHAFUCKAS IS COMING TO GET ME!!! lmao
And if the white folk said that you would be crying Racist...
I value all of the interviews with Lord Jamar . The tribes were at war similar to the crips and blood , Africa has always been divided and neighboring kingdom refuse to put their ego aside to unite. However , Ethiopia is an exception under the leadership of Haile Sallsie and Shaka Zulu in South Africa was another example of Africans uniting to fight the yurugu . Unfortunately our strength has always been our weakness , we refuse to join forces.
Lord Jamar is rapidly becoming one of my favorite hip hop personalities
I already know Lord Jamar coming to put us on game
Anyone else die @ jamars 'ho ho HO' right at the beginning 😂
Both of them are so utterly clueless. I just hope people listened when he said "I don't know"
You’re a random
Initially Europeans both bought slaves from other African groups, but there was a small minority who were actually workers, not slaves, who worked on the ships.
Bs Africans sold each other out
That’s crazy man I’ve never thought of it like that. Shit makes so much sense too 🤯
Low key Vlad dropping jewels on this one
The anglo-Egyptian treaty to outlaw the trafficking of Europeans by Arabs in Egypt wasn't signed until 1877. The notion that slavery wasn't as cruel is also a fallacy being that slaves were marched across the Sahara (83% death rate) and some were castrated before the journey - - small examples of course. Also only a small percentage of slaves were kidnapped, most were sold for goods by other Africans. Indeed Europeans mastered the industry but it is also a fact that the quakers and British catholics were the amongst the first objectors to the immorality of slavery. If it wasn't for Europeans opposition to slavery, the institution would still exist globally. The belief that Europeans are inherently more evil undermines the actual state of civilization in times past. Even your high & mighty "Moors" were participants in the institution of slavery. Slavery is not a race thing. It's a vulnerability thing.
With that being said, our ancestors weren't any more righteous than the "white man" we attack. They just mastered the game.
Thank you for your common sense.
@@NatureCabinet we normally master everything we do.
Did I imagine that a couple of months ago Lord Jamar said that the slaves were actually Native Americans?
But anyway, I really like the Lord Jamar interviews.
He got Vlad saying “You know what I mean” 😂😂😂
BEST OUTRO EVER LMAO
I’d never believe any history lessons from Lord Jamar but goddamn he’s a like a good philosopher lol
Darwin Walker Lmaooooo
Most slaves didn’t choose slavery, slavery chose them and they went along with it because they perceived the only alternative - death - as even worse. Slavery to the slave was never a choice It took more than choosing to not have a slave mentality to get black people to where they are today and to where they are going in the future. But refusing to accept that status quo, to not have that slave mentality, was/is the first step in making the needed changes.
All that were left were the people who would rather be a Slave and be tortured then die that's a pack of backwards stupid crazy illogical non admirable people. And all the good intelligent respectable people who were slaves fought and were killed free themselves or killed themselves. And now they're just The Descendants of those unrespectable ones. I'd rather die than be in jail.
Good questioning Vlad @ 5:30
I would like to see #9 from stars shot97 and lord Jamar have a dialog it would be intresting
People really think they know history crazy
People don’t know history is crazier
So what's the REAL history DR. @frankoosborne2679??!! By the way even if you do know some history I would NEVER listen with a ridiculous @$$ name like that!! FOH!!!!
"these tea cup tickeling mother fuckers are out to get me" funniest shit he ever said
Right and exact!
❤❤❤love this man
Jamar is speaking facts. Hidden Colors will explain the rest, know your history.
Your like a dude with no teeth telling people how they should take care of their teeth
At the end of the day no one will ever know what reallllllyyy happened. We're all speculated what might have happened.
Im 50/50 on this what if we were tricked and its a reason why the whites have our jewels
@@curtissimmons2287 and lately there's been report of European countries returning stolen goods back to African countries, so I'll stay on them stealing ish
YO, WHY LORD JAMAR DONT HAVE HIS OWN PODCAST?!!! THIS DUDE ALWAYS DROP JEWELS, HIS PERSPECTIVE IS ALWAYS ON POINT!!!!
You can debunk his claims with a simple google search, they were bought from Arab slavers or Africans slavers mostly in exchange for goods
Because he can't afford it.
I honestly miss the lord jamar & glad videos they use to have meaning Fr. No bs
It's so much controversy about the truth when it comes to African Americans that I'm almost starting not to care anymore
Unfortunately thats what they want you to do, bro!!
why would u care. unless its effecting your day to day. which alot of this history shit doesn't
because the truth does effect your day to day whether you know you know it or not
Donovan Beavers At some point in history, everyone has fought and enslaved everyone. We are unique in that we live in the country that our great great grand parents were enslaved in. Therefore, in many ways were subject to the residual effects of said oppression. Overcome and learn of our history, because believe it or not, it starts way before slavery.
I agree greatnation40
Salute Lord Jamar
That ending tho!
I really love lord jamar!
At 6:04 his argument falls apart.
Africans were already here
shaquannagee can't be african if this is America, majority of our ancestors were already here but they didn't call themselves African
The first human settlers of the Americas, were Africans who left Africa.
shaquannagee false
Rex Stevenson if that's what you want to believe...
***** explain the slave ports then
Learning is fun facts
"Naadameeeeeeennn???" is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Lord Jamar.
What slave ships? Where are they? OOGA OOGA.
The irony of mentioning "Tricknology" while sitting on Vlads couch
Jamar u are so so sharp
#Facts @LordJamar So true. I didn't know African Americans even knew this. Lol I'm African. I am really surprised that you knew this frfr. @Vlad, this is the truth. #NoLie. thanks for touching this subject. It brings a lot of confusion amongst us Africans and our African American brothers
My nigga was you there?
Africans came before the Europeans. The Olmecs is history first visual proof. The Africans that came with Europeans were indentured servants from Spain, check the log books for the first documented "slaves" they had Spanish names. I've read all this, the great book of African American history.
cb4iv indigenous people aka native people were first.
@@Kakashi-fans and the natives were black people
@@adonijahbonds6405 fact's ✊🏿✊🏿
Lord Jamar should have his own show
Yanadameen podcast
Real brotha
These Tea-cup tickling mf's 😂
Vlad, where are the other parts of this video : (
Lord Jammar is The Man!
truth teller KARDASHIAN WEST he uploads the whole interview after a couple of parts
Nyne Walker hm thank u. I would like to see the whole video :(
" I mean.. you know... I don't have the answer.."
5:43 first time I've ever heard Lord Jamar say he didn't have the answer
They probably did not combine forces due to tribalism.
BIG K N.F.L. Divide and conquer method.
True
What the fuck is Vlad talking about world wide outrage that was common practice. Colonialism was the mindset of the developed world
Rari K word, Africans were enslaving Africans and Asians were enslaving Asians, slavery was part of the world back then and still today in some cases
Derek Music he's a airhead
I like how people speak so matter of fact about these subjects like cuz you read a book you know exactly one happened, or know the first time something happened. Shit everything is up to question back in those days
It's ridiculous
to see where #lordjamar got the #bookphonechallenge from ruclips.net/video/g9yR1lnwQ-o/видео.html
I think you need a proper Historian to talk on this subject.
He's partially right. Yes, there were Africans who were tricked into slavery via religion. But most were chained as they were already slaves in Africa and were purchased there.
Yes they were chained from time of capture and a ball about 20 pounds was around their ankles so they wouldn’t get away or jump over the boat
I love this man
JAMAR..... SPIT SOMETHING!!🔥
That "alternative immigration" made me laugh a lot harder than I should have 😂
This guy is making shit up.
BEEN A FAN OF BRAND NU SINCE DAY ONE...ONE DAT NOTE... Lord Jamar one of you best.. Shit be funny as hell...but u LEARN...EVERY TIME
why are you still interviewing Lord Jamar?
Because two digit IQ idiots believe his dumb theories
He's correct. Where am I from in Nigeria, there's historical documentation. They used trickology well.
Thanks sis
You africans sold us israelites to the white man
@Regina Asiedu im sure you have google or a library.....
@Regina Asiedu not african are africans tho let me clarify there's a strong chance if you are from Nigeria you would be from one of the tribes of israel
@Regina Asiedu there's some other ones in africa too our people are scattered everywhere. And maybe you just arent listening to the right israelites cause there are alot of bugged out israelites that teach garbage.
But you should listen to "sicarii"
Just cause some of our people are teaching garbage doesn't mean every hebrew are on the same time they are.
This man isn't knowledgeable on the situation. The conspiracy and rewriting of history based on ones own beliefs is ridiculous.
Lord Jamar lookin like a def jam vendetta unlockable character
interview all of brand nubian or just grand puba
Sounds like he dont know what he talking about....
He is very stupid.
the white man came with the (God You"U"Now) Gun
and the gun powder from? land of the ccp
Wow have to fact check this awesome interview
"These tea cup tickling mfuckas is coming to get me" lmfao!!
Lord Jammar spewing 5% propaganda. Unfortunately my Brand Nubian brother is dead wrong.
Korance Bland how?
hmm? yeah wrong as in he forgot to mention african kings and queens who revolted; such as badu bansu, queen nzinga and a yoruba king of benin
Peace! I have a cousin named after the great Queen Nzinga
+Galva Tron Well.... they were.There were thousands maybe even millions of African Muslims.Hell, the richest African ever was a Muslim.Especially in Kenya, Sudan and Ethiopia.I'd even say that Abyssinia (Ethiopia) is the ethnic birthplace or many African/Afro-American Muslims.
@Chris Islam was forced on Africans, that's the birth of place of Islam on Africans. Wake up!
First of all, the "white man" did NOT start the slave trade. This trade has been going on for centuries: romans, persians, arabs, north african tribes, ottoman empire etc etc. Fact. And obviously britain, france, portugal and spain got into the business when colonialism, as we intend it, started to show it's effect and cheap labor was needed. Yeah, you can always blame the "white man", but slave trade with all its terrible consequences has always been done, just look at the Pyramids...
Santo Trafficante Boss facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The pyramids was not built by slaves
Yeah. The pyramid was built by those who followed the dead kings and supposed Gods who the pyramids were often built for. The Atlantic Slave Trade became much more based on race than any other, and it was much more brutal and inhumane because of the tactics they used to break slaves.
Of course, it was racial because white people were using people of a different color, so all blacks were seen as slaves. It was brutal, but in the Old Testament, it says you can beat a slave as long as they don't die within 3 days of the beating. Black on black tribal slavery in Africa is probably the worst though. We have pictures of that if you didn't meet a quota or tried to run away, they'd rape or mutilate your family members, mutilate your daughters' vagina or cut off her limbs. We know this because it's been documented by the people who lived through it, not by someone who wants to believe in whatever sounds best.
World Class Thats horseshit. The worst slave trade was in Africa and Asia (By asians and arabs). This is a common facts if you've studied history. The Atlantic Slave trade was based not on race but on ethnicity and rivalry between different african tribes. The african tribes sold their POV to the slavetraders so that they could get rid of rivaling tribes. So in other words, yes it was based on ethninicty not on race and it was the blacks who wanted to get rid of other blacks.
The pyramid was build by slaves and the Pharaoh and people living in Egypt during this time was not blacks but Egyptians looking like todays Coptic people of Egypt. They have Olivecolored skin and looks like semites not sub-saharan blacks. This is a fabricated lie only told in USA, here in Europe everybody knows the truth based on actual scientific evidence in from of DNA, bone-structure and so on.
Same trick was done on Puerto Ricans in the early 50s, "Give us your farm land for a "Better" life in America", Domino sugar made a fortune
preach bro lord Jamar
I have one question, Is it possible to see one slave ship? I've seen them on paper and on the Hollywood screen but I know the sinister nature of the Caucasians so by default this story is plagued with lies
Jrock El facts
Jrock El Africans practiced slavery just like Europeans accept it
Lord Of frog All I'm saying is the same people that enslaved us are the same ones writing the history books. These are the same people stealing nations, cultures, resources, etc. These are also the same ones stealing identities and replacing them with their own identities so it's impossible believing anything that a caucasian says and this is based on documented facts not hate even though I tolerate Caucasians the same way I tolerate a snake.
***** I am not white I am Arabian
My ancestors practiced slavery and I feel no guilt for it though if you were wondering
We still believe we Africans Lol.
CL0UD then what are we
CL0UD What are we?
yo bruh lmfao king henry 😂😂😂
CL0UD Lol right.
yo bruh west Africans don't say were west African.
double dry hopping beer makes it way better
there is so much history, information and stories that have been losted , stolen or strayed ; the scottboro boys is another tragic case of injustice towards black citizens .
My God you left a few little details out but in general Write Your Story is true Lord Jamar
This shit better hit a million views
Drop the fucking whole interview Vlad!!!!
fkin lov this guy
Some of those groups didn’t get along and were fighting each other too.
Vlad needa interview Olivia Winters. That a be Legendary.
Somebody needs to email Jamar a W.
Jamar is sooooo NY. respect!
Lord Jamaar i wanna know what college you attended you a articulate african..nothing but facts
He is so smart !
Why lords hat look like a dallop of bbq sauce tho 😂😂😂
BRUUUUUH JAMAR SNAPPED RIGHT HERE