HOT HATCH SHOOT-OUT | MK7 & MK8 FORD FIESTA ST
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This is a first, a twin test on PocketRockets! If you're familiar with the series, you will know they are usually hosted over on @Car Obsession but this time, I've had the pleasure to plan and put together this video featuring arguably the two best small hot hatchbacks to grace our presence over the last decade
Both the Mk7 & Mk8 Ford Fiesta ST's, two cars myself and Aaron absolutely adore as they offer the best all-round package to put a big smile on anyone's face
A small disclaimer, the Mk7 ST is lightly modified by Mountune, utilising their MP215 calibration making it identical to the limited edition ST200 and the Mk8 ST is a sold-out limited-run car, however, this is mostly based on the standard ST3 you can still currently buy (as of video upload)
Big shout out to the team at Ford UK for the loan and of course the main man himself Aaron at Car Obsession for dropping by my neck of woods to help film this video!
Preview | 00:00
Channel Intro | 00:41
Introduction | 00:48
Welcome back Car Obsession | 01:38
0-62: Top Trumps | 02:25
Top Speed: Top Trumps | 03:31
BHP: Top Trumps | 03:49
Nm / lb ft: Top Trumps | 04:32
Price: Top Trumps | 05:14
Weight: Top Trumps | 07:07
Boot Size: Top Trumps | 08:14
Mk8 ST Edition Driving Intro | 09:37
Recapping Aaron's thoughts on the Mk8 Platform | 11:03
Summarising the evolution over the Mk7 | 12:02
Coilover & LSD | 13:08
Seating position & comparison over the Mk7 | 15:13
Gearbox Feel | 16:40
Brakes | 17:14
Tyre Choice | 18:12
Performance Pack is essential! | 19:20
Infotainment / Interior over the Mk7 | 19:58
Time to stretch the ST Edition's legs | 20:31
Is the Mk8 ST Edition worth the extra money? | 21:09
Here comes the O.G (Mk7.5 ST180) | 24:24
Dashcam Interruption | 24:36
Modification Disclaimer | 24:52
First Thoughts on the Ride Comfort | 25:05
Engine Performance compared to the Mk8 | 25:28
Revisiting the Interior | 26:33
Providing great value for money | 27:45
Giving the Mk8 a hard time? | 29:02
Now, time to figure out what we would prefer | 31:45
Final Conclusion | 33:23
Thanks for watching | 36:12
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I'm in the US. As you know, all we got was the Mk7 in the 5-door. I absolutely love my Mk7. They are rare cars here. Most Americans can't drive a stick, and they don't know what a hot hatch is.
I love the look of the 3 doors, either way. That's what I would have if I could.
Hey Dave! Blessed to have a viewer from the other side of the pond 🙏🏼
UK we purely had 3 doors too with the Mk7 platform it was only the last year or so of production that we got 5 doors too (5 door are quite a rare sight in the UK funny enough)
But yeah, 3 door Mk7 ST is perfect 👌🏼
Thanks for watching!
Great video lads! Spot on too, exactly my thoughts on pretty much all 🙌👌
Thanks bro, appreciate you popping by and watching 👍🏼
@@PocketRockets welcome bud was a great watch ❤️🙌
How good that MK7 looks…
Ages like fine wine - just gets better and better!
Thanks for stopping by and watching 🙌
Really nice video🔥Make more videos like this
Thank you very much, glad you liked it
Plenty more twin tests to watch over on ThoseTwoCarGuys, a new joint channel with myself and Car Obsession
Ooooh, the little fella so defensive of his MK7.😜😂Picked up my new Edition yesterday after owning my PE for almost two years. Love these cars.💙Great video btw boys, keep up the good work.😍
Easy on the little, I maybe little but I pack a big punch 😛
How comes you made the change from PE to FE Martyn? Prefer the Azure blue over the Deep Orange colour?
Thanks for watching and commenting, all the best!
Hi matey, thanks for the reply. Sorry about the “little”, just teasing.😜 Listening to you asking why people would swap from a MK8 ST to one of the Editions. Well I originally bought a 68 plate ST2 in white. I insisted they put the ST3 rims and red callipers on, that was a deal breaker for me, hate those 17” rims.🤢I kept the ST2 for just 15 months, although I loved the car, my son who then worked at Ford sorted me a PE for just over 23k, and although I was in negative equity I just couldn’t resist the 🍊🤷♂️. I envisaged myself keeping the 🍊indefinitely, but then the Edition arrived!🙄To be honest I love the orange more than the blue, but the deal was just too hard to resist. Due to the hike in used car prices I could have actually recouped over 24 1/2 k, that was back in September when prices were at their highest, unfortunately the 💙didn’t arrive until last week!😂😂 To be fair to TC Harrison at Derby they honoured their valuation from back in October, which meant I got the Edition with just the equity in my PE for the deposit, and I’m now paying £260pm compared to the £340pm on my 🍊Don’t get me wrong, if I could have bought a new PE then I would have, but I’ve got to say the more I catch sight of the Edition the more I love the colour. And for some reason, maybe the coilovers are set up slightly differently, I’m finding the ride a bit smoother.🤔Maybe that’s just in my head?🤷♂️
Just wondering if you’ve done a review of the Hyundai i20N yet? My son’s getting one at the end of this month, assuming it arrives?🙄🤷♂️Cheers.👍
RE: i20N, we are in talks with Hyundai to get one for another twin test but not many on fleet and the ones that are available happen to be unavailable due to demand
Not that I've driven one but I've heard the engine isn't as strong as the Mk8 but the rest of the car is as good if not better in some areas (i.e. customising driving parameters instead of just Normal, Sport and Race in the Fiesta)
Yeah I can believe there’s not many about. Hyundai reckon my lad’s will be here end of February beginning of March.🤔 Must admit when I sat in the back for his test drive I was pretty impressed. The amount of stuff that comes as standard compared to the ST was surprising, LSD, heated wheel and seats etc. My lad says he wasn’t keen on how the revs seem to hang when changing gear, I think a few people have said that. I’ll talk him into having a drive when he gets it, looking forward to seeing how it drives. Seemed to have plenty of grip when he drove it on pretty greasy, bumpy roads.😎👍
The mk7 would look fantastic in the azure blue with the different headlights of the mk8. I have a mk7 the same as the one featured and love it but wouldn't want to swap it for a mk8 as I prefer all over red not different colour on roof etc. I wish they made a RS fiesta again to rival the yaris gr (Are you listening Ford) and in nitrous blue like the RS focus 😊😊
Brother used to own a stage 2 mk7 st2 (MT) and I owned a standard mk8 st2(performance pack) ... We both seemed to agree that the Mk8 was the better car out of the box, especially if you can be bothered to stage 1 it. The interior of the mk8 for me personally is what made me get it over the mk7, I hate the tiny screen and the buttons on his. The engine on the mk8 for sure runs out of puff after 5/6k revs i feel but at 2.5/3k it is boosty as hell, loved that.
The standard sound absolutely goes to the little 3 cylinder engine of the mk8 without a doubt. The pops and crackles in sport always put a smile on your face, though my brothers was modded so sounded infinitely better as you'd have guessed.
His also looked way better from the exterior, that's one of the reasons I decided to sell my mk8. It was just a very boring to look at car (i had the grey) and compared to his modified mk7, it just didn't stand out.
Price to performance you can't go wrong with the mk7. You can pick them up for decent mileage at around £8k whereas its around £16/17k now for the mk8 with performance pack.
Both compared to my current slightly modified mk5 Golf gti..... the golf feels more planted and heavier, sticks to the ground more, but absolutely lacks the torque and nippiness of the fiestas. Its boring in comparison but that could be due to its age also. (06 plate)
Overall, if you want the best for the price, get the mk7, put some mods on.... especially a quaife diff. If price isn't an issue, get the mk8 and stage 1 it. Thats all it really comes down to nowadays, price...
The tiny infotainment screen/lack of Android Auto is a killer, more so these days! Luckily there's a Sync3 retrofit from the US market ST180s so fingers crossed I'll be doing that at some point
Both cars are equally as good and as you could see it made it difficult to choose but either way whatever one you have, you have a great car to play with and enjoy!
Thanks for watching and sticking around to comment too!
@@PocketRockets I didn't know they had that in the US! Would be amazing to have here, deffo a upgrade that changes a lot.
& 100%, wouldn't be disappointed with either car. I'd happily have either/or! The looks of the mk7 deffo do it for me and with the crazy amount of mods available since they're so popular.
You're welcome! Great video mate
Yeah, something I'm working on currently (slow process) hopefully I will start filming a 'How To' guide on it.
I love my Mk7 ST, it does everything I need and more, but with the evolution of tech the Mk8 is inevitable a nicer car to live with these days, especially on the ride comfort side
Thanks for the kind words on the video mate, very grateful!
@@PocketRockets Absolutely, im sure once people start purchasing them over here the first thing that everyone will do is google how to install.
& exactly that, newer is just easier to live with in 99% of cases.
Biggest thing stopping me from getting an E46 actually haha, im scared of needing to be the mechanic!
you're welcome lad!
Nice double whammy video boys. Enjoyed the top trumps. I've not driven a fiesta st since the mk5. I still can't get into liking the noise of these modern 3 pot engines. The performance they get from them are great though.
You definitely need to drive both (Mk7 & Mk8), the Mk6 ST wasn't bad for it's time but had the EP3 keeping it on it's toes! Once you drive even a Mk7.5 ST, you soon realise how much the Mk6 was missing/behind.
The 3 pots aren't bad, you just find they run out of puff higher up in the rev range compared to the 4 pot in the Mk7
Again jumping in the Mk7 from the Mk8 you miss the exhaust pops/crackles and other noises that bring it alive, so it's swings and roundabouts with both cars.
A difficult one to conclude but a lot of fun and would do it again in a heartbeat 👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
Nice video mate. The bog roll parts made me chuckle! Even though the ST Edition is expensive, and you could argue not worth it over a fully spec'd ST-3, it will only hold its value or go up in the future. Both cars are wicked, though. And that Azura Blue looks fantastic!
That bog roll wasn't planted too (not what you think 🤣)
I honestly don't think it will be that valuable, it will hold more money against a ordinary ST3; ST200 is a prime example and that has much more to offer over a Mk7.5 ST3
Thanks for watching Sam! Need an excuse to film both our cars together now
Even though they look the same, mk7 all day for me.
@@boabm6522 Mk7 & Mk8 look completely different 👀 ... However, I do agree with you saying the Mk7 is better looking 👍🏼 Thanks for watching!
@@PocketRockets IMO the shape wasn't changed enough.
Seen this today at donnington, just stumbled across this video by chance
Ah wicked! I was there for a trackday on Friday and stayed to help a team competing in TCR UK 👍
Thanks for stopping by pal!
Thanks for the video. My wife is just waiting for her 8.5 st. Going from her 7 so hoping it's just as much fun. ST3 so hoping it still has the performance pack as standard. Although the winter pack was an extra and also the nav3. Also hoping these are less pinchable as her mk7 is forever getting the locks screwdrivered! (Never actually got into it though).
Until it turns up we have no idea if it has the b&o sound system or not.
Thanks Lee, appreciate you popping by and commenting too.
The Mk8 is a nice progressive upgrade over the Mk7, especially for it's fresher interior and better mod cons (CarPlay, drive modes etc)
As an all rounder, I doubt you'll miss the Mk7 much - I have recently reviewed a Mk8.5 and tried to get across why I prefer the Mk7 over Mk8 just purely on driving engagement - a lot of people didn't understand (still don't) that the Mk7 on edge is a better car for that.
Not heard Mk8's being victim to the same treatment as much as the Mk7, but i'd still recommend a Disklok as a minimum for it; Pandora alarm systems are great too, just an extra expense.
B&O should be on yours as it's an ST3 - if you're unsure I'm sure your supplying dealer can check using ETIS.
@PocketRockets thanks for the reply. She has a disklok, and it's been on everytime they've done the locks. I've heard a few are using portable angle grinders now. Hopefully only a week or so to go.
@@leejones4727 Filthy lowlifes, can't stand it! I wish you better luck with your incoming Mk8
Very good video Chris. As you know I love the fiesta ST’s and as my genuine opinion, I trust the MK7 ST’s to last much better with that 4 cylinder engine compared to the MK8’s. But as a MK8 owner, I am so happy with my car, I think the power delivery from that 3 cylinder engine is so impressive, the way the power revs all the way out is really surprising and I love the unique sound from the 3 pot. However the 1.6 4 pot I trust a whole lot more and originating from the zetec engine family, that engine can be easily trusted when tuned. I do love my MK8 but I’m keeping it stock power as 200hp from a 1.5 3 cylinder is enough for what I enjoy from my MK8, but aswell to the point I don’t want to push that 3 cylinder anymore than what it’s doing from the factory 👍🏼
Well said Jamie! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏼
It is indeed a superb engine. I decided to get the Mountune M235 for my mk 8 and i can tell you that it takes a great car and makes it Epic. Will hit 0-60 under 6 seconds and is more urgent at the top of the rev range. It adds more grunt without taking things too far. I feel its worth the money and I've not had any issue having already done 8000 miles with it.
@@chirpywiggins5796 Yeah I can imagine the map tidies up the torque curve making it strong all the way through! Need to drive a mapped Mk8 at some point, I'm intrigued 🤔
Thanks for watching! 👍🏼
Old engine now the 3 pot is miles ahead technology moves on
@@markpattison9554 Doesn't mean they will fair better in the long run over a Mk7 1.6 especially tuned examples
MK7 had a tiny sat nav if you optioned it,you needed to buy a new pair of specs.
I do have the tiny sat nav
Thanks for watching
A lovely video from both you lads… well done
I am getting the 285 upgrade on my mk7 (currently MR230) and am really looking forward to it - although it’s not cheap. However I recently saw car focussed review of it and he didn’t seem overwhelmed which has slightly worried me lol
But I have always stuck to Mountune and this will be my last power upgrade - just hope I do not regret it.
Keep up the good work 👍👍
Thank you for the kind words and for watching too!
If you live with the car everyday and after the extra buzz, I don't think you'll be that disappointed - of course there is plenty of other options for more power for less money
I'm planning to go S280 Turbo with custom mapping (low and high boost maps)
I'll be covering the journey of getting mine to Stage 3 in the near future 👍🏼
@@PocketRockets oh it's a pleasure ... Nice to see some humble reviewers on the YT platform
Yes I think you are right. The lads at mountune HQ namely Fred and Jonathan (now FJRS) are just brilliant and I only feel comfortable taking the car to them.
I will look out for your journey with the mk7 and maybe I will see you on the road one day
All the best for now 😊👏👍
Humble and honesty are key 100% 👍 ... the boys at FJRS are great, more so now as they spread their wings and fit not just Mountune parts too!
I would consider Mountune (had many cars tuned by them) as they are 5 minutes away from me but I'm looking for more power (340 - 350bhp) and multiple maps for different driving conditions i.e. road map and a track day map to keep the car usable and reliable too
Yes definitely, give us a wave or if you see me in person, come over and say hi! 😀
@@PocketRockets totally agree with you... I am not looking for crazy power and tbh I am too safe with the car but for some reason I like to have all the mountune upgrades on it... an expensive OCD condition lol
But for your needs what you are doing makes sense. I am down at the workshop next Thursday all being well for the upgrades so if you are about we could meet 😊
Look after yourself in the meantime and thank you for taking the time out to reply 👍👍
@@gooner70_ns Drop me a follow on Instagram and drop me a message nearer to the time, I'll see if I can pop by!
I have a mk7 ST and love it ...I don't really like the mk8 shape it's abit Chucky and the rear looks abit boring but having said that it looks great in that colour but the price is stupid ..mmm il stick with mine for abit longer ... cheers really good vid ..
Mk7 is a cracking car even after 10 years and a new generation being released
I know looks weren't a strong suit for the Mk8, but for me they have certainly grown on over time
Thanks for watching Andrew!
Thanks for getting back too me I have a 17 plate ..but yes agreed both good the new style has positives for sure the interior on the new model is miles better.. great vid ..
Can you do a comparison of the Fiesta ST against the BRZ/ GR86?
Both affordable by proper fun cars, with very different approaches!
I’m interested to see your thought because I’d love to buy the new Fiesta ST, but am currently weighting up against the GR86!
Would love to Lawrence, but unfortunately Toyota is tough on giving out press cars 😒
I'd still choose a Fiesta over a GR86, as its more versatile as a daily car
Thanks for watching 👍🏼
Im pretty sure theres a low profile seat bracket available for the mk7
Not for the OEM Recaro seat, OMP and others do a fixed seat mount for aftermarket bucket seats which will drop the height
Someone makes lower seat mounts for the Mk3 Focus RS and the likes of the GR Yaris for example though
Thanks for watching!
We mk8 frista activi x it has b&o its 69 plate
Red looks so much better, and the MK7 looks better to me. Best Fiesta ever made the Mk 7 (face-lift)
You mean 'Orange' not Red 👀🙈
There's a group of Molten Orange owners that get hurt when people say their car is Red, I'm not one of them by the way 🤣
As for the best looking Fiesta ST, I 1000% agree, the best by far
Thanks for watching! 👍🏼
Having owned both I have to say after not being a fan of the mk8 to start with I find it to be the much better car imo. Things that needed improving on the mk7 they did with the mk8. I’d say the mk7 is a slightly more raw car to drive but I just find the mk8 the next level up in terms of all round flexibility
Yeah I totally agree, pretty much sums up the same conclusion both me & Aaron made
For me, I driven so many new cars recently and they just miss the same driver connection you used to get from older cars. With the Mk7 & Mk8 ST's that statement above rings true when you're jumping from the Mk8 back into the Mk7
However, if you after a more comfortable car to live with; the Mk8 will definietly be the better choice but I'd argue the comfort side is something I could sacrifice especially in a Performance Fiesta but each to their own
Thanks for watching and joining me in the comment section Stefan!
Mk7.5 revs cleaner and far more of an ST for raw fun , especially if stage 1 or 2. by Revo, !! :-) , also not liking the back lights. of the Mk8 like the B Max,or 3 pot 1.5. , just runs out of revs early and not so tuneable. as the 4 cylinder 1.6 , robustness i,m sure we,ll find out in time, with the 1.5 3 pot . my views as a mechanic and life long enthusiast .
This or the I20n I can't chose
It's not an easy choice that's for certain! Myself & Aaron may soon be finding out that question very soon ... Keep posted!
Thanks for watching!
Stock RS, if you plan on doing mods ST
Not sure what you mean? It's a while ago since I made this video, add some context please 🙈
Thanks for watching!
MK7 boy racers wet dream. MK8 far more refined and mature design. Take the boy racer shyte of it and it's a lovely car.
Mk8 has a spoiler just like the Mk7 👀
208 gti, not 308 gti.
The 308 gti is way above. 270 bhp, Meca diff, enormous brakes.
And the 208 gti bps is still above nearly everything is this range
If either of us said 308, we meant to say 208 (not sure we did, filming was a while ago)
Thanks for watching Robin! 👍🏼
Mk7 looks far better than the mk8 may be personal appinon ?....
Exactly right Jordan, everyone has an opinion sometimes it may differ from others
I happen to agree with you that the Mk7 is a better looking car overall over a Mk8
Thanks for watching 👍🏼
27k for a fez 😂id rather get n rs for the little extra mk7 so much of a better car
Facelift Mk8s exceeded over £30k 🙈
MADNESS! Thanks for watching 👍🏼
The red car has more sexy line! Everything else is irrelevant!
Why is everything else irrelevant?
mk7 is for ladies, sorry but it is....the st version looks ok but otherwise its like a toy car. New mk8,5 looks so much better than ever. The price comparison was stupid or was the mk7 price 19k as a new?
Interested to know where you got that information from Dunkku? Last time I checked/from experience, both men and women drive most cars
I speak to more people that prefer the Mk7 over Mk8 but regardless its individual preference/opinion
Mk7 STs started from £17,935 compare that to a Mk8 ST which is £27,500+ so again not sure what you mean?
Thanks for watching
...for ladies? 😂👍That is certainly also the reason why the car was so popular with all male testers & the majority of the drivers are men. My mk7 st is my everyday vehicle & I'm sure you've never driven one. An absolute driver's car. Such comments only come from clueless.
@@svend.7324 I'm still clueless on what Dunkku is on about lol, glad I'm not the only one! Thanks for watching &commenting Sven
Literally never seen a woman driving one
They don't weigh 1088kg they are 1163kg
1088kg is dry weight but yes Kerb weight is 1163
Regardless, the ST180 wins
Thanks for watching