It’s the sad fact. The running cost of “performance” cars is just too much these days. As much fun as I get out of my GTI, I sometimes wonder if getting a basic Camry or rav4 would have been better.
@@waitingforcivictyper the GTI is the perfect daily, you didn't make a mistake. The backseats are a little tight, but unless you have passengers all the time, it's fine.
@@waitingforcivictyper I see, you pay z German car tax, ya? :) I figure the GTI wouldn’t be too bad to keep running as compared to BMW. I heard the Civic Si is a pretty good compromise for fun vs cost of ownership. I’m old and boring enough to be happy with my hybrid CUV. It’s quiet, comfortable, and has good tech for being 10 years old. The roads around LA are bad enough I just want to keep my kidneys happy :)
This makes sense: *LC500 - Looking for young hotties. *X7 - Looking to have kids with a hottie. *Rav4 - Having failed at both, I give up on life and pursue inner happiness instead. I think that sums it up :0)
Thank you for the review, Mark. X7 M60 owner here and this review pretty well reflects my experience. I would add X7 pricing destroys GLS as well as Cayenne and Range Rover. Callouts: -Usually have the third row down, making it an extended X5 -Always have the gesture control disabled -Captains’ chairs are comfortable but not folding all the way down flat is a huge compromise -The slow seats movements don’t bother me -Front seats are fine but the 7 series sedan seats are much softer -The first set of summer tires lasted about 10k miles -Gas mileage is terrible with any spirited driving -AC is weak -Seat ventilation is weak -Massage function is so mild they shouldn’t have bothered -Heated and cooled cup holders barely delay the march to temperature equilibrium -Fake engine noise (can be disabled) -Fake exhaust ports -B&W stereo is exceptional -Don’t mind the 48V hybrid at all -New models removed the comfort access sensors from the rear doors as well as ambient air, rear seat entertainment, and night vision options -Interior construction and ergonomics are well thought out -Main issue with suspension is pitch more than roll which is surprising given vehicle length -The Android and iOS apps add a lot of convenience -The driving assistance features are well executed with the ability to use them fully or partially
I totally agree to all you say. I really hate the weak AC, specially in SoCal at 109 degree weather. The max AC is worthless. I also hate the auto of on (ASS), and the quietness. I mean, it’s suppose to be close to an M car… I have had the ‘19 50i, ‘20 M50i, and now ‘23 M60i. My favorite was the ‘20. Everything worked perfectly, and it had the ASS disabling button.
I’ve owned my X7 40i for a few years now. I gotta say I felt like this review took my quiet thoughts about the car and put them in a video. Agreed with virtually everything. We love it though, it’s been great and reliable. More reliable than our X5. I also have two Nuna car seats in there covered in apple juice and remnants of Pb&j, so agree it’s annoying with the floor anchors behind the middle row captain seats. But we have so much room for the kids, strollers and groceries. It drives like a sports car in an SUVs body. We do a lot of road trips and live an hour away from anything and I think you just gave the most accurate and relatable review here. I highly recommend but would say only if you’re okay with the monthly price/cost.
So I'm stuck between the x5 40i or x740i now I don't have any kids yet but do have nephews and nieces I want the v8 but those bmw v8s aren't reliable the B58 is really good what are your thoughts with the B58 x5?
@@albaro08a never drove a b58 personally but have only ever read good things and there’s a reason why they’ve gone with them as of late. Our x5 always had some issues but the x7 has been amazing and super reliable so it’s kind of a toss up but I would have more faith in the newer x5’s with the b58. Anything older than 2019 probably a no go.
So funny, this is the same thing that happened to me after every BMW I purchased. I would pick one up two years old, LOVE it, then slowly get worn down by the cost of consumables. Good review, honest and objective.
I had the same exact X7, 2021 M50i. No captains chairs thankfully. Loved it. Great car. Unfortunately, I had to sell it last year when I moved out of the country. At least used car prices were good.
I had the same. Last 2 years and had the realization that the v8 wore off and didn’t know why I had it. My 8 year old also hates how long it took for the bench to go down and she just exited thru the hatch.
Ah, so you're one of the guys posting on Craigslist, "Need to sell ASAP as I am moving out of the country." I think half of those folks are actually doing so, and the other half is letting you know the car is trash and not to come looking for them after you take delivery.
Mark is where I began and why I subscribed. Nothing against Jack, I’ve really grown to love his content. This one was such a pleasure! Glad to hear such positive feedback from a modern BMW product. Running costs are outrageous. Nice ride but time to dump it! Keep up the great work guys! Love this long form, long term review!
@@CalvinHikes I like that they’ve integrated Mark back into the reviews. I’ll admit I stopped watching for a long time. Nothing terribly wrong with Jack but I subscribed for Mark.
I bought a fully loaded (no captain seat) used X7 M50i for $80K (18K miles). It is an amazing car for this price. It is fast, quiet interior, extremely comfortable, and has an amazing engine noise when you push it. Even driving mountain roads at high speed, very minimal bodyroll (maybe it is related to dynamic handling package). If you get the M60i, you will paying nearly 100K even for an used one. Personally I prefer the M50i more than the new one. Still have 1 and a half year warrenty left, so I am not too concerned about potential repairs (so far not a single issue, driven almost 8K miles in many many family road trips). Maintainces cost are very reasonable at my local BMW dealership (This is my 5th BMW). For those who are shopping for this car, I don't recommend getting captain chairs and upgraded wheels. When I was shopping, the ones with captain chairs are cheaper than the ones without. The 21" tires are all season so it is much better than the 22" performance tires. It snows a lot in my area, so I prefer only using one set of tires rather than getting another set of winter tires. This is the perfect family super car for those who enjoy performance, comfort, technology, and have kids.
@@UtotheJ not sure I noticed. But the fan will always run for like 5 minutes after driving. I think this is their default behavior and not because of high temperature.
I had my wife test drive EVERY 3 row SUV from top spec Lincoln Navigators to Honda Pilots and you would never guess which she loved most. The Chevy Traverse. Fast forward 2 years and she still loves it to death. Zero issues.
Funny you mentioned the Traverse. I have a 2018 High Country that for the past 2 years I have wanting to replace. I have test driven a lot of SUVs including the X 5 and the X7. I always come back to my Traverse as being a hell of a lot of car for the money. The interior is almost luxury at a fraction of the cost and the digital rear view mirror the X& doesn't have it. The 2024 Traverse will be out soon. If the UAW quits the strike.
I had my wife to do the same two years ago and she selected Range Rover Autobiography V8... final three candidates were X7M, GLS 550 and the RR. Well she didn't test Pilot or Traverse...
That’s hilarious because my wife chose the same thing. She still loves her traverse too.. I’m actually trying to decide on getting either an x7 or go back to a ‘luxury” pickup. I currently drive a 5 series, but it’s just not practical for what I need today. Oh btw, the new traverse does not compare to the 2021. We just test drove one and it just feels cheap, and we hated the gear shift placement.
Absolutely. For the second-hand market buyers, it is really important to know the the xDrive40i B58 engine models are much cheaper, and will arguably be less costly in the long run. Even if it's only due to better fuel mileage, and cheaper regular maintenance. That said, the V8s in the M50i M60i and xDrive50i X7s are several comprehensive revisions beyond what could previously be known as the worst BMW engine ever: the N63. The newer versions of the N63 are a far-cry from the original failure that once was in the late 2000s and early teens. In our experience as a BMW repair shop, these newer V8 N63/S68 engines are fabulous to own. The N63TU2, TU3, and TU4 engines, along with the new S68 V8s are worth looking into if you need that power. I don't think you'll find a more potent engine on the market in this segment. BMW has had a lot of time to figure the TTV8 out. They didn't give up on it, and 15 years later we have the best versions. I hope the stigma of BMW V8s being a nightmare continues to fall away.
@chikmnunget8031 not true,money is money. Things are crazy right now, unbelievable how prices are high. whatever you have now, try to hold it cause the way things are going now.Better save your money as much as you can and invest them.
I am 10min into your 24min long video since I was in the market for an X7 and stumbled across your Channel. I have to say this video was a breath of fresh air in regards to how you speak and relay your feedback. I love it when people are raw and speak from the heart with peppering of some curse words when its necessary. Definitely subscribing for future content.
Own a ‘21 X5 M50i- This review perfectly captures what it’s like to live with this one of these things. Like Mark, I paid through the nose for the extended warranty so I could sleep at night. Seat ventilation is a joke, now I know why very few dealers spec with with it. Gesture control is kinda cool for forwarding tracks, volume control and some other stuff but is a gimmick for sure. That said, the V8 doesn’t get old.
I don't like the V8. Way too many hoses and fittings to go wrong as the vehicle ages. From a mechanic's POV, the inline 6 would be the better option. It's still reasonably fast and has better fuel economy. The N63 is the only engine I don't like working on/fixing. Everything is a mess with the hoses
As a technician for BMW from 2014 to 2017, I would be really really apprehensive of owning a V8 from them, but if they really have improve cooling, the material for the valve guide seals, and all of the coolant hose and ventilation hoses on the engine, oh, and the timing chain stretch issue, the rest of the engine should be pretty bulletproof
Yes hearing that this V8 was one of the most reliable was news to me so thank you for adding to the conversation. My F85 X5 M had a cracked cylinder and in general use a lot of oil in between services, but at least I got a new engine under my extended warranty and this replacement engine works like clockwork so far.
What do you think? Its been 6 years since you last worked on them and more than a decade of evolution of the N63 engine. And well, yeah, a mechanic isnt the intended target of a V8 bimmer anyways. You nutheads still seem to not realize how certain things require a way higher degree of attention and maintenance that only big wallets can properly afford... Theres nothing more telling of a shitty maintenance than a timig chain stretching. Maybe, just maybe, you should take a look at the owners too... Knuckheads buying bimmers and treating it and expecting civic reliability are a recipe for disaster. And lastly, for the 100th time, learn how to diferentiate between personal experience and bias and actual data. You only saw broken V8s cause you were a frikin mechanic. A Lexus tech will also see mostly broken Lexus'. What the hell do you expect?
I saw an X7 at costco and asked the owner how he liked it. He said he loved it and mentioned most of the issues on with the V8. Noted. Love this but I'd pass on the V8 everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
i down graded from a x5 m50i to a 2024 xdrive40i and i thought its what i should have started with, funny thing is after driving the sDrive, its REALLY what i should have done. it feels much lighter, and has a great driving impression. alot of people myself included looked at the Sdrive as the entry level, but the truth is an sdrive with M sport package pro is really what someone who wants a sporty drive should not over look.
@@bradleyscarreviews the X5 is available, only in US, as sDrive 40i. Not sure how long they will sell this rwd model, everyone buys awd midsize suv these days. 15 years ago yould could even buy a +400hp rwd chevy trailblazer ss, lol
2023 MDX advance Owner here - Nothing but joy driving this vehicle. I had a RX350 in the past. The MDX base advance is what I really need for NYC traffic.
@@danielrd7493 Gladly! I love it! Have about 5k miles on it and no issues at all. It’s no X7 but it’s also half the price and the interior punches above its weight. The steering is surprisingly good for its size and weight. It’s direct and weights up well, but still is electronic power steering on an SUV so theres only so good it can get. I have the Turbo S Premium Plus. I wouldn’t call it fast, but it’s not slow. I would say the transmission logic holds the inline 6 back pretty heavily in terms of fun. But, I’m averaging 24mpg combined (with a bit of a lead-foot), but it easily gets 32 highway. For reference my M50i was getting 16mpg combined and would struggle to get 21 highway.
@@cnc_general Much obliged. I need to test drive your trim level. I've got the X5 right now, need more room for a growing family. Weighing between Acura, Mazda and BMW third-row products.
I got the bmw x7 2019 x40i for $50k with almost all the bills and whistles and it’s one of my favorite cars I have ever owned. I had to spend 6k on extended warranty to 100k miles but it’s definitely worth it. I recommend getting an X7 over any other 3 row car. I almost got the v8 but I heard it’s not as reliable as the inline 6, plus, I wouldn’t have utilize it more than 5% of the time not to mention the fuel economy of a V8 (mine gets 20mpg combined) get the X7 in-line 6 and you won’t be disappointed
@@moelo5930 yes, there is plenty of space, I would recommend getting seat covers so the leather isn’t damaged. The only downside that it take FOREVER to move the seats to access the 3rd row
Man yours is basically a unicorn. I have a 2021 M50 and wanted the tvs for my brats as I keep them locked in the car all day as I’m in important business meetings. They discontinued after the 2020 model year. The heated center console has broken 3x since buying in October 2020, but that is the coolest feature on the car. It’s dumb but amazing. I’m in warm climate so can’t imagine how much greater it is for Illinois winter. Also looking to get into something smaller more efficient but cant bring myself to get into a numb experience of a Lexus hybrid product.
You really don’t need a 3-row, and you will miss the BMW drivetrain, suspension and iDrive7 system. Get yourself a 2022 or 2023 X5 with the B58 in-line Six. It will give you everything you like in the X7 without all the bells and whistles of your M50. You can get a BMW Certified X5 off lease for less than $65k. I just did and I love it !
They work fine, but they are not "cooled seats" or "seat coolers", just ventilation. You dont get sweaty in summer if you turn the seat ventilation on. I wouldnt want another bmw with leather seats without seat ventilation
I think an interesting video would be a "bachelor" type of contest where you are looking for the X7 Replacement, you get an MDX a CX-90 a Kia, a Navigator and a Lexus and see what works best for you. basically covering anywhere from 45 to 65K to keep it reasonable (thus no Q7)
You could get a decently speced 4 cylinder Q7 in the low 60s and a decently speced 6 cylinder one in the high 60s (also there's always used Q7s and even Q8s out there)
Watched this a second time and I wonder if mark would’ve been better buying a base 40i rather than a fully loaded m50i to avoid the firm suspension and poor running cost of high fuel consumption, air suspension costs, super huge tire size cost, active sway bar cost, etc.
Sure but the truth it's a car for someone who makes 3 to 400k a year. I don't know marks finances but I don't think he made the type of money the vehicle commands. Thus the consumables were killing him. Not unlike the people buy used S classes and get crushed financially after a single dealer visit.
@@bigcjm I don’t think he had an issue affording it, it’s just beyond his needs and ridiculous no matter how you slice it. He’s always had practical, reasonable vehicles. I can see how over time this wore on him.
@@sapereaude7776The M50d is just baffling to me. Two more turbos that can go wrong, worse fuel economy while not being that much quicker than a 40d and noisier on the highway at higher speeds due to gears being shorter.
My m340i has been amazing. Only issue I had was the driver side mirror shorted out bc of a water leak which also shorted out the module for the laser lights. Since that was fix, no issues. Good thing I have a extended warranty lol.
@@adeezy5503 I got my m340i last year for $48k with 27k miles. Still had 1 year left on factory warranty. My m340i is nicely speccef with the engineering motorsports (cooling and performance package), vernasca leather, laser lights, and premium package which includes heating seats and heads up display. I’m glad it doesn’t have adaptive suspension as that will be expensive to replace down the road.
Great and honest review. I have the ‘21 X7 40i with the 3 seater 2nd row and I’m more than happy. Geeked to be honest. I understand that maintenance may be costly compared to others, but man, it’s so worth the whole package of what you get here with the X7. From the look, luxury, comfort and performance I am in love. I’m far from wealthy but I can’t imagine getting any other 3 rowed SUV. Maybe a Range Rover? But this sporty X7 drives like a sedan to me. So I think I would be sticking to this model until otherwise specified!
I got a 40i without absolutely ANY idea about bmw in general. I actually got it as an alternative to a highlander, which was more expensive and smaller. I am (so far) super glad i got the b58. Haven't had any issues whatsoever in 4 months that ove had it. (I got it at the dealership witg 30k by the way). Very very happy with it. Sometimes i wish i had the 50i but then i see my mpg and forget about it 😂. Great video 🎉
9:13 I discovered many years ago that sensible and practical is actually the upgrade. My net happiness was always lower when I had a big, expensive, depreciating asset in my garage.
The reality is the target market for this and other luxury SUVs is made up of buyers who lease, not buy, and the Germans have figured this out . . . they deliberately design the vehicles to fail one way or another after the warranty runs out.
@@LearnAboutFlow If you say so, I noticed that most owners actually lack in care/maintenance and gentle driving which leads to component failures and then they act surprised because they think a high price tag means nothing will ever break or need service. I have serviced my 2016, 2020, 2022 BMWs way before the system would even tell me to do it and drive them with moderate intensity, V8 and inline 6 as well as 4 cylinder, and all I had to do over the years was watch the tire thread, buy sport tires, replace valves, shock absorbers, most of which was on a 2016 ofcourse but for three cars even if I didn't have warranty it never surpassed 10K in total. Ofcourse there may be lemons, but if you take great care -- they will run well a very long time. Moreover, if someone is overly worried about service costs, it is a wrong brand segment to get into. I love the cars so I am actually happy if something is replaced with new because I know it will run well during my ownership.
All depends on what you can afford. For myself, I just do not like other designs and do not mind the running costs at all. With good personal care their vehicles run without a problem and high expense.
@@21Pogon That is simply not true and the repair records and quality ratings prove it. The German cars are hit or miss as far as quality, which has ZERO to do with how well you maintain it. BMW, Audi (always garbage) and Mercedes know their vehicles need only last as long as the lease. My friend's CPO BMW i8 proved that in spades. A small plastic part FAILED and caused $24k in engine repair. The car was like five years old, and had very low mileage. Plus, the part melted a few days AFTER he had the car serviced and inspected by the BMW dealer. Luckily he had the extended warranty.
@@LearnAboutFlow I heard that i8 was a nightmare for reliability too. As I said, it can be expensive and there are lemons. But if you didn’t get a lemon and take excellent care, there should not be any problems. My vehicles: X1 F48, X3M and X5M all have no lower than 4.2/5 reliability rating. I can attest simply from own experience of not having problems, I do my own service though and save that way but I service often depending on how I drive and annual service costs come out to be about 2 thousand dollars, which is cheap imho.
Excellent video, Mark. We owned a 2019 X7 40i and traded it in with 90k miles for a 2022 X7 40i that now has 47k miles. Both were and have been extremely reliable. Definitely agree that it's difficult to move on to another platform once you're familiar with the previous gen BMW interior functionality. Keep up the great work!
My parents just got a Certified 2020 X7 40i with 48k miles now that prices have come down. It will go back under warranty to get a CV joint replaced because there is a popping noise at low speed turning. Have you had to replace anything to do with the suspension or steering?
@@nealp885 My first BMW is a 2022 X5 m50i. I bought brand new, has 33k miles. Great drive but at 25k miles I had to replace left and right tie rods, and about 30k miles a clicking noise started on right front axle. Haven’t had it checked yet but I have a suspicion that it’s the CV joint. I’ve never had this much trouble out of a new car. I’m starting to regret my purchase. Also, tires replaced at 25k and the cost is outrageous. Wasn’t prepared for that.
@@cristyrjordan With all due respect, you bought a German luxury car with a powerful engine. Did you expect maintenance costs to be like a 2006 Honda? IMO it’s worth it because nothing Japan puts out is as luxurious or as powerful German cars. Even going from a Camry to a C class of the same model year is a night and day difference.
About 85%, maybe even more, of your observations about the X7 are identical to my experience with a 2017 Cayenne Turbo. The Cayenne's interior has usable buttons (benefit of the older gen) and is a great luxury experience like your X7 (fuzzy headliners unite), it's also got the big ol' V8 for on-ramp domination, but big power is a rarely usable party trick with these SUVs and costs will kill you.
20:08 I value this part of the video the most. The ownership comparison between market rivals. It makes sense that the Acura MDX Type S and Honda Pilot stand out. Wish the Mazda CX90 had the same interior dimensions
I'm on my 3rd X7 and love them. 2019, 2021 40i's and now a 2024 M60i. I agree the V8 is not necessary, but it sure is fun. My draggy is showing 4.1 to 60 and 12.4 @ 110. Also, pulling .91g through turns. I miss the mix of buttons of the pre-lci, but it's easy to adapt to the on screen controls and the new screens are glorious. I bought it because for me, there is no better driving LARGE SUV. Put it in sport mode and your gonna need a pretty high end sports car to keep up!
This is how you do it. Spend a crap load in monthly payments, insurance, tax and licensing - what... 3k/month would you say? - and drive worry free! Bada bing Bada boom.
@@bassandtrebleclef haha. Life costs money. All depends on your financial situation. If you make 50k a month, I'm not sure 3k is going to break the bank.
We have a 2020 x740i. In the last two years the only thing to fail is the rear seat motor. It's been stuck at the dealer for two weeks. I hate the seat motors. They get confused; don't lock properly. I wish there was a full manual function to fold the seats. With a larger family this was my biggest let down. Otherwise it's a 7 seater supra. Love the power train and especially the transmission
At your final thoughts, as they say people who get this type of vehicle really do not bother too much on the running cost because money isn’t an issue. As normal people, it really is both a joy and pain to have! I also cannot agree more on your last point that it’s hard to put this behind and pick something more normal.
Fellow Illinoian here! I did a similar progression from the Volvo S90 to 2020 BMW 750i. A few comments: -This generation's consumables seem much more prone to failure. I've already had to replace my fuel pump and injectors. On the 7 series, the coolant reservoir is placed where coolant easily spills into the injector holes and kills them. I had to replace 4 because the BMW master mechanic did a coolant flush without waiting for the engine to cool down. -Yes, the seat coolers are MUCH weaker than previous generations. They reduced the amount of fans and use a single channel to push air. Looks like a design compromise due seat massage. -Yes, seat massage is meh. It does, however help on long roadtrips. I recently took a 2.5k roadtrip and turning on massage helped eliminate that backside numbing you commonly get on long drives. -BMWTIS subscriptions are amazing. You can get all diagnostic and repair manual access for $32. That said, BMW is becoming much less enthusiast and self-repair friendly than it was in the past. Also, good luck finding an ICOM Next as they've been out of stock for years. -BMW's dealership experience has gotten weird. Think ultra-bureaucratic and more cult-like. Err, maybe even "Mercedes"-like. Many have multiple levels of people you need to speak to in order to achieve what you want to accomplish and it's more like attending the church of BMW. -BMW parts are reasonable online. If you don't find the dealership's online parts shop, you'll easily spend 2x at full MSRP. -Expect a massive jump on your insurance premium. -This is the last generation BMW was coding friendly. You can add a ton of features (like newer model updates, expanded self-driving and anti-dazzle headlights). New models have secure coding enabled and no longer mod friendly. -BMW is handling updates similarly to Apple. You get what came out when you bought the car. If a new feature comes out, it's unlikely you'll get it despite your car having the hardware to do so. ...and features are region locked. A German version can do stop at stop lights/signs, pull over for emergency vehicles and even pull off the highway based on your route. -The lack of a spare tire and limited tire options are more of a problem than you think. I got a flat on a long roadtrip on a Sunday. BMW offered to tow it to a dealership and wait around a day (or more). None of the open shops would touch my car, let alone try and repair a runflat. I finally bought a patch kit and inflator at AutoZone, which worked, but I've never felt so helpless and frustrated before.
The cost of ownership is greatly overstated in this video. If you're a dealer only non DIY and dont have a regular mechanic then by all means, you cannot afford it. The parts he mentioned are nowhere near that cost unless you're going to the stealership, dealers do not create piece of mind, they are winging it. Def a great buy if you know about cars and can repair on your own and have some mechanic friends .
I Normally never comment but I must say I look forward to your HONEST no flak reviews. A couple questions from a fellow BMW/General car enthusiast The X7 is more of a status-mobile for most buyers. That saud do I person6think the X7 40i with the B58 fixes a lot of the issues and fits almost everyone's needs. Basically a X7 40i with traditional suspension is the sweet spot. Thoughts? I currently own a 23 M3 comp RWD.... EVERY SINGLE ISSUE both interior and performance wise that you mention are exactly my same issues with my G80. I think the two best BMWs on sale right now are the X5 40i, and an 840i gran coupe. They're very over looked and under-rated vehicles that are good at just about everything. Current M cars are mind boggling fast but owners know wear n tear parts are always in the back of our mind. Great review, good stuff guy, love your stuff!
@@quantttum for the first 3 years all services are free so I'm not sure what he's worried about. I'm in Germany and we don't have free service 😢. My first service was $400, second service $230.
All you talked about in the first half of the video was the reason I ended up buying a Grand Cherokee 23 and maxed out in options+ camping capabilities and I can’t be happier
No one else is creating content of this quality this consistently… I only buy my car’s based on what Mark says. I don’t need to do any more comprehensive research he does it and I think him for it.
Hey host, I have a bmw 340i as my dad vehicle and a Honda Pilot for our family vehicle. Ive been dying to upgrade to an X7. The Pilot handles like a tank, slow, but as you mentioned it pulls off the family duties very well. This video has convinced me that the X7 is not a family vehicle until your kids are 10+
I’m coming from a Telluride which also drives and handles like a big slow tank. The 40i is the most practical choice for most families with bench as the comment above points out
I also have an M340i as my personal fun toy and a Acura RDX for family use. I did test drive the Pilot and Passport as well as X3 and GLC before getting the RDX. The standard Honda SUVs are exactly like what you described. The X3 I tested was 30i the dynamic is just similar to the RDX. Not sure if a 40i would be much different on the X3. The GLC is very luxurious but lack the dynamic. My biggest complaint on the M340i is actually the lack of ventilated seats, otherwise the perfect sedan I ever owned.
Im driving a 2018 Chevy Cruze. I just bled out the brakes today only because its going on 6 years old with 19400k miles. it cost me 17k new. Ive had 0 issues so far
Steering wheel creaks badly and randomly. Replaced tie rods, replaced cable reel and still have this problem. Acura doesn't want to try any other fixes and is forcing me to pursue a lemon law. @@andersonrodriguez8258
Steering wheel creaks badly and randomly. Replaced tie rods, replaced cable reel and still have this problem. Acura doesn't want to try any other fixes and is forcing me to pursue a lemon law.@@faheemabbas3965
Long time BMW owner and fanboy here. However when it came time to replace my SUV with something with better gas economy and more streamlined, i went for a Lincoln Aviator over the X7 or Audi Q8. While not in the same league of the Germans in interior execution , the cost of long term ownership and the warranty made better sense with the Lincoln for the type of use i need it for: college move-ins, traveling with my 2 labs, beach vacations, bike trailer etc...Its got superb power and will hold up looking elegant for the 5 yr window i plan on needing it. Any Ford dealer can service it down the road if need be, and its does just fine running on 87 octane since day 1.
I appreciate the diesel versions of the X7 and X5 aren't sold in north America, but in Europe they remain the dominant engine type. The 30d and 40d engines have great refinement, power, torque and fuel economy (37mpg which gives a range of 700miles) they suit these heavy cars very well
I purchased a 2021 X7 M50i 4 weeks ago. Mark encapsulated my entire ownership experience in his review. He touched on my dislikes, disappointments & frustrations as well as what makes it a great vehicle to own. My warranty is up in two years I’m probably going to enjoy this thirsty monster for a year or so then try to find a similar experience at a more reasonable cost of ownership level.
I fucking adore my X5 M50i, got one of the last pre-LCI ones from the dealer lot. Traded my G80 M3 for it and never looked back. The G05 platform is amazing in combination with that engine and trans combo.
Wow you nailed this vehicle! Amazing. I own a 2021 X7 fully loaded -and funny you said the cup holders are trash! Absolutely and from day one the center cup console wireless charger etc did not work. But I finally got the dealership to fix it! Idk if it will continue working. I had to really go back and forth...w service about 5 times bc their rationale for not fixing made zero sense. Long story short we got to the owner of dealership and did a quid pro quo's between businesses. And yet the service manager said don't put drinks in there like wait what!? it's the drinks causing the issue a build up on the wires. I had to fight tooth and nail. Your review is spot on! I love the vehicle- it's great for my life right now. I want the wraparound mats!!! I just had my ambient lighting fixed too. but I need to see if it works at the bottom. I don't recall. And yes I had trouble w tires bc of different sizes as well. Cost me $3K! Bc I waited and needed and had to pay for what was available. Originally it was $1850. Ugh. I needed tires at 15K per my dealership Which upset me!
Great piece! Would love to hear the long-form analysis on the buying process for the replacement. I think there are a lot of families that are looking at the jump into the family hauler purchase that would lean towards the "buy once, cry once" mentality for a family vehicle with bulletproof reliability and reasonable running costs. I know I would and I am looking to make that upgrade from an XC-40 in the next year.
I'm really hoping to see this for sale on Cars and Bids, because I cannot imagine you two getting through a video with Doug. I'd need an extra-large bowl of popcorn for that.
I bought a almost fully loaded 2020 750 with 30k miles. Opted for the service plan and extended warranty and I can say it’s been flawless. Only thing I’ve done to it is pull the exhaust flap fuse, because who wants a muted V8.
I had a Taycan 4S and an X7M50I much like your LC500/X7 Combo, and I wanted to combine THOSE into a single family car and got the Cayenne GTS Coupe. It really is, absolutely, incredibly driving dynamics for a family hauler and GT car. Eats miles like crazy. So you could go the other way... :)
I think the trick is the unibody German 3 row SUV's bring more function than Korean and Japanese market products that sell for less. The big difference is in towing. The Q7, GLS, and X7 seem to be in a class of their own when it comes to towing. They are a step up from Pilot, Highlander, and CX-90 for vehicles tnat are fun to drive 365 days a year yet can pull a boat or camper 20-40 days a year.
I drive one of these for work, hotel Chauffer in San Diego. This is our house car. It’s rough riding, always having warning lights on, and it goes through expensive tires like there’s no tomorrow. Guests always complain how rough it rides! My Lexus with 314k miles is way smoother. The X7 is more of a drivers SUV, not a great passenger car.
I currently have a X5 40i of the same year, and I wonder how he would feel if he had the B58 engine in his X7, especially since he liked the MDX Type S.
I've owned to 40i X7's. The B58 is way more than adequate. Sure you have to wind it out more than the V8, but it is not slow. BMW also under rates their power figures.
I’ve had 4 B58s and NEVER had an unscheduled maintenance, issue, whatever. A couple were stage 2 w/FBO and still no problems. Definitely the best engine since the 2JZ. I avoid 50 badged BMWs like the plague. Only problem I’ve ever had with BMWs is the sunroof sometimes takes twice to close.
The post refresh I6 has more power and torque also. I wouldn’t buy one any other way. More than adequate. Still in the 5s 0-60. Remarkable for the size.
This was such an amazing video. Love the highlights about how it gets you painfully for maintenance and repairs. Lots of videos just go over the stats but answering the long term $$$ can I do this is the most critical piece I needed And I cannot do it thanks to your video
Just wait until they get past the lease and pay 22k for a 90k vehicle. Inherit the problems and accept you're going to get stranded and also that it's hard to distinguish between your bmw and the one they sell at those we finance anyone lots that gets loaded up with limo tint, illegal guns, and marijuana smoke.
I love my X3 M40i which is a smaller sister car to the X7 M50i. Great review! I get less space but it's also a lot smaller and lighter too, and very very dynamic. I was also lucky to get idrive 7, not 8, with the fully manual controls. Wouldn't want their giant screens and other stupidity. And yep the X7 is wayy expensive to run...
Just picked up my CPO '21 X7 M50i and I really agree with the statement this car delivers the that next level performance and comfort that just isn't there in an MDX Type-S or my '16 XC90. I wouldn't have paid MSRP when new on mine but I can see why it's priced that way. In other words, I think it would be a blessing to not be able to tell the difference ( or be ok with it) so you can stick with a more affordable SUV. As for me, I loving every min I'm in my X7.
@@charlesbcraigthe mpg is not bad considering the amount of power it delivers but it’s still bad, i average in the 16-18 mpg in my daily commute (50/50). All highway is the low 20s. If you’re considering an iX, that’s a very different car/experience, clearly more efficient but not as big as the x7 so comes down to what you value. If mpg is important, you may want to err on the iX
Great piece - thank you. Very similar logic to my own back in 21. I had the choice of this or SQ7 in the UK. Went Audi on pricing (20% lower here with discounts) and felt the smaller Audi slightly better for UK and Europe but X7 looked great and I am a BMW fan (own a Z1).
Great review, and the comments about the slow seat movement is spot on! I've celebrated birthdays waiting for the seats to move! The inline 6 in our 2020 has been bullet proof through 48k miles, and very few minor issues needed dealer correction. The BMWness was worth it to us in compared to others we drove, but you need to like that ride/handling etc or it probably isn't worth the extra money. If the Mercedes GLS had more comfortable and slightly longer seat bottoms it would have been a contender.
The massive grille looks much less conspicuous when blacked out against a matching black body. The car is actually handsome in this configuration. Well done!
Yup I will be avoiding the Volvo XC-90 . And thank you for your ownership experience cause I’m going used from now on just to avoid that depreciating factor. But the automotive world is all messed up right now so choose wisely for your long term purchase(s)😅
17:04 That’s why you get a B58 and tune it. More reliable, better mpg, cheaper to run if you get 21s, and has the standard suspension, rides MUCH better than the M50. Lots of running cost problems solved by not getting the V8.
I completely understand the "it's awesome and everything I want, but it's killing my wallet to run" point of view. I've got a high milage Gen 1 Raptor and feel like that sometimes, but I don't think I could ever sell it!
Great vehicle but for a daily honestly I think for space , comfort and options not gonna lie the 2024 kia telluride is just an all around banger of a vehicle. With that said it's no bmw but it gets the job done with no regrets and fully loaded at 54k. I've learned that trying to compromise making a sport suv a replacement for a toy just doesn't work and the kia allows me to have both without worrying about all the maintenance on my daily hauler.
@@SkeletalMisunderstanding yessir I loved my launch 2020 telly sx p. I want to trade my 2023 durango rt hemi tow and go in for the 2024 telluride but that sound from the v8 is just awesome. Last of the few. But yeah who knows I might just. That wolf grey on black looks stunning. Best 3 row and value I've driven in a long time.
I bought an M3 new in the 90's and have owned about 9 more BMWs since then. I was a fanboy of the highest order, but the last two X5s I owned left me stranded on the side of the hwy (one shifter failure and one engine seized). Those problems were fixed under warranty because BMW would rather apologize and beg forgiveness before building something dependable. My local dealer nodded understandingly when I told him a bought a Genesis. Mark's X7 only had small problems so far, but these cars cannot make it through five years of trouble-free ownership. They are gimmicky tech products engineered for the show-room.
@@MH-xu4ez The problem is sitting on the side of a California desert hwy for hours on a 106F afternoon because the V8 engine seized at 80 mph. The problem is a failed door lock system on a F90 M5 that left my friend and his wife standing on the sidewalk in a dangerous neighborhood. The problem is the constant unscheduled warranty service visits to the dealership while you drive an ersatz loaner. I was at the local dealership so much I became good friends with the staff there and got invited over for dinner. BMW has lots of cool owner events and I met a lot of cool people, but it's like an abusive relationship. No more. I'm trying Genesis right now (so far it's been nothing but oil changes in 45k miles). Eventually I will try AMG. My buddy with the M5 moved to Porsche.
@@S8ER Interpret it however you like. I'm more interested in what years he owned the BMW vehicles and which models. Their V8 engines have been notoriously unreliable, but their recent straight six engines have been great. I've owned four BMWs since 2018, all with the B58, and my vehicles have been reliable, albeit expensive to maintain.
Watching this video after i bought a 2022 x5 x40i very loaded and i agree about the interior and i drive 7 vs the new one 8-9-10. I enjoy having manual buttons. A real console instead of the new stupid trend of monitors in front of you. I have tuxmat and i’m not a fan of them.
Fantastic real world review Mark, and I have to say their later engines, particularly the B48/58, are vastly improved in terms of reliability (although the electronics can be quirky). The problem is when something goes it costs big $$$ to put it right. I don’t like the transition to screens for every menial task. Ridiculous. Dynamically they aren’t what they were years ago but still among the better drivers for this class. Transition to full EV will be very depressing for we enthusiasts but it will be easier for my wife’s boyfriend to sneak in.😳
Love BMW’s. I’ve had 4 of them. Unfortunately the issues pile up right after initial warranty. My most recent model, a beautiful 2011 328i M Sport started having -minor- but annoying and constant issues right at 65k. But oh, do they drive nice?
I have to say the Stelvio I drove recently was nicer than my X3 but yes owning any European car outside the warranty period is a bit of a crapshoot. Shame they can’t have Lexus build quality. @@JuanCarlosLTO
Mark the binding your feeling is from the transfer box (VTG). Common problem. A fluid service of the transfer box will correct your binding feeling. There is a service bulletin.
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Mark is the evolution of the modern car buyer in real time. LC500->X7->Rav4
It’s the sad fact. The running cost of “performance” cars is just too much these days. As much fun as I get out of my GTI, I sometimes wonder if getting a basic Camry or rav4 would have been better.
@@waitingforcivictyper the GTI is the perfect daily, you didn't make a mistake. The backseats are a little tight, but unless you have passengers all the time, it's fine.
@@waitingforcivictyperGTI’s are performance cars?
@@waitingforcivictyper I see, you pay z German car tax, ya? :) I figure the GTI wouldn’t be too bad to keep running as compared to BMW. I heard the Civic Si is a pretty good compromise for fun vs cost of ownership.
I’m old and boring enough to be happy with my hybrid CUV. It’s quiet, comfortable, and has good tech for being 10 years old. The roads around LA are bad enough I just want to keep my kidneys happy :)
This makes sense:
*LC500 - Looking for young hotties.
*X7 - Looking to have kids with a hottie.
*Rav4 - Having failed at both, I give up on life and pursue inner happiness instead.
I think that sums it up :0)
Thank you for the review, Mark. X7 M60 owner here and this review pretty well reflects my experience.
I would add X7 pricing destroys GLS as well as Cayenne and Range Rover.
Callouts:
-Usually have the third row down, making it an extended X5
-Always have the gesture control disabled
-Captains’ chairs are comfortable but not folding all the way down flat is a huge compromise
-The slow seats movements don’t bother me
-Front seats are fine but the 7 series sedan seats are much softer
-The first set of summer tires lasted about 10k miles
-Gas mileage is terrible with any spirited driving
-AC is weak
-Seat ventilation is weak
-Massage function is so mild they shouldn’t have bothered
-Heated and cooled cup holders barely delay the march to temperature equilibrium
-Fake engine noise (can be disabled)
-Fake exhaust ports
-B&W stereo is exceptional
-Don’t mind the 48V hybrid at all
-New models removed the comfort access sensors from the rear doors as well as ambient air, rear seat entertainment, and night vision options
-Interior construction and ergonomics are well thought out
-Main issue with suspension is pitch more than roll which is surprising given vehicle length
-The Android and iOS apps add a lot of convenience
-The driving assistance features are well executed with the ability to use them fully or partially
Great callouts
I totally agree to all you say. I really hate the weak AC, specially in SoCal at 109 degree weather. The max AC is worthless. I also hate the auto of on (ASS), and the quietness. I mean, it’s suppose to be close to an M car…
I have had the ‘19 50i, ‘20 M50i, and now ‘23 M60i. My favorite was the ‘20. Everything worked perfectly, and it had the ASS disabling button.
@@DanDan-tt6gvoh yeah forgot about no auto-start-stop switch (bc I mostly drive in sport). 😂
@@DanDan-tt6gvThe AC weak in all the models you tried?
I’ve owned my X7 40i for a few years now. I gotta say I felt like this review took my quiet thoughts about the car and put them in a video. Agreed with virtually everything. We love it though, it’s been great and reliable. More reliable than our X5. I also have two Nuna car seats in there covered in apple juice and remnants of Pb&j, so agree it’s annoying with the floor anchors behind the middle row captain seats. But we have so much room for the kids, strollers and groceries. It drives like a sports car in an SUVs body. We do a lot of road trips and live an hour away from anything and I think you just gave the most accurate and relatable review here. I highly recommend but would say only if you’re okay with the monthly price/cost.
Buy a minivan! lol! Ridiculous
So I'm stuck between the x5 40i or x740i now I don't have any kids yet but do have nephews and nieces I want the v8 but those bmw v8s aren't reliable the B58 is really good what are your thoughts with the B58 x5?
@@albaro08a never drove a b58 personally but have only ever read good things and there’s a reason why they’ve gone with them as of late. Our x5 always had some issues but the x7 has been amazing and super reliable so it’s kind of a toss up but I would have more faith in the newer x5’s with the b58. Anything older than 2019 probably a no go.
Monthly cost you mean subscription ??
Pacifica Hellcat, now or never.
Make sure it's front wheel drive!
@@cinthe3can’t wait to change tires every 6 months
@jackz4149 in the rear right? ;) the front would be every 3 weeks
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Pretty sure it’s never atp
Every video you guys do feels like a mini-movie. Class.
Ya like a lego movie
@@romeropostali520 just like Lego movies. Jack uses stop motion to look more sophisticated and presentable.
Better than paying for streaming trash.
So funny, this is the same thing that happened to me after every BMW I purchased. I would pick one up two years old, LOVE it, then slowly get worn down by the cost of consumables. Good review, honest and objective.
lol I’d like to know what u driving now ??
And what is the final though ?
Get an EV BMW! Takes away 80% of consumable expenses
@@verynickvery true
I had the same exact X7, 2021 M50i. No captains chairs thankfully. Loved it. Great car.
Unfortunately, I had to sell it last year when I moved out of the country. At least used car prices were good.
I’m guessing the other country is better.
I had the same. Last 2 years and had the realization that the v8 wore off and didn’t know why I had it. My 8 year old also hates how long it took for the bench to go down and she just exited thru the hatch.
You escaped the drop in used car prices in 2023
Ah, so you're one of the guys posting on Craigslist, "Need to sell ASAP as I am moving out of the country." I think half of those folks are actually doing so, and the other half is letting you know the car is trash and not to come looking for them after you take delivery.
@@smurfythesmurf quite a few erroneous assumptions in that paragraph.
Mark is where I began and why I subscribed. Nothing against Jack, I’ve really grown to love his content. This one was such a pleasure! Glad to hear such positive feedback from a modern BMW product. Running costs are outrageous. Nice ride but time to dump it! Keep up the great work guys! Love this long form, long term review!
I didn't realise until you said it! Was a refreshing review this. I do love Mark's analysts, and commentary especially .
I unsubbed when Jack came on board. Still pop in now and then.
@@CalvinHikes I like that they’ve integrated Mark back into the reviews. I’ll admit I stopped watching for a long time. Nothing terribly wrong with Jack but I subscribed for Mark.
I bought a fully loaded (no captain seat) used X7 M50i for $80K (18K miles). It is an amazing car for this price. It is fast, quiet interior, extremely comfortable, and has an amazing engine noise when you push it. Even driving mountain roads at high speed, very minimal bodyroll (maybe it is related to dynamic handling package). If you get the M60i, you will paying nearly 100K even for an used one. Personally I prefer the M50i more than the new one. Still have 1 and a half year warrenty left, so I am not too concerned about potential repairs (so far not a single issue, driven almost 8K miles in many many family road trips). Maintainces cost are very reasonable at my local BMW dealership (This is my 5th BMW). For those who are shopping for this car, I don't recommend getting captain chairs and upgraded wheels. When I was shopping, the ones with captain chairs are cheaper than the ones without. The 21" tires are all season so it is much better than the 22" performance tires. It snows a lot in my area, so I prefer only using one set of tires rather than getting another set of winter tires.
This is the perfect family super car for those who enjoy performance, comfort, technology, and have kids.
Does your vehicle engine/hood stay hot/warm hours after driving?
@@UtotheJ not sure I noticed. But the fan will always run for like 5 minutes after driving. I think this is their default behavior and not because of high temperature.
Love the x7 m50. Looking forward to getting one soon. How is it in the snow?
I had my wife test drive EVERY 3 row SUV from top spec Lincoln Navigators to Honda Pilots and you would never guess which she loved most. The Chevy Traverse. Fast forward 2 years and she still loves it to death. Zero issues.
Yeah well that what you get when you let women make decisions.
Funny you mentioned the Traverse. I have a 2018 High Country that for the past 2 years I have wanting to replace. I have test driven a lot of SUVs including the X 5 and the X7. I always come back to my Traverse as being a hell of a lot of car for the money. The interior is almost luxury at a fraction of the cost and the digital rear view mirror the X& doesn't have it. The 2024 Traverse will be out soon. If the UAW quits the strike.
She chose a Traverse over a X7 or GLS?
I had my wife to do the same two years ago and she selected Range Rover Autobiography V8... final three candidates were X7M, GLS 550 and the RR. Well she didn't test Pilot or Traverse...
That’s hilarious because my wife chose the same thing. She still loves her traverse too.. I’m actually trying to decide on getting either an x7 or go back to a ‘luxury” pickup. I currently drive a 5 series, but it’s just not practical for what I need today. Oh btw, the new traverse does not compare to the 2021. We just test drove one and it just feels cheap, and we hated the gear shift placement.
I personally think the 40i with B58 is plenty for everyday driving. It will reduce that feeling of bleeding money that Mark has mentioned.
Absolutely. For the second-hand market buyers, it is really important to know the the xDrive40i B58 engine models are much cheaper, and will arguably be less costly in the long run. Even if it's only due to better fuel mileage, and cheaper regular maintenance. That said, the V8s in the M50i M60i and xDrive50i X7s are several comprehensive revisions beyond what could previously be known as the worst BMW engine ever: the N63.
The newer versions of the N63 are a far-cry from the original failure that once was in the late 2000s and early teens. In our experience as a BMW repair shop, these newer V8 N63/S68 engines are fabulous to own. The N63TU2, TU3, and TU4 engines, along with the new S68 V8s are worth looking into if you need that power. I don't think you'll find a more potent engine on the market in this segment. BMW has had a lot of time to figure the TTV8 out. They didn't give up on it, and 15 years later we have the best versions. I hope the stigma of BMW V8s being a nightmare continues to fall away.
I agree. With a stage 1 tune b58 comes close to the n63 powerwise
Imagine buying this car and complaining about “money” makes no sense.
@chikmnunget8031 not true,money is money. Things are crazy right now, unbelievable how prices are high. whatever you have now, try to hold it cause the way things are going now.Better save your money as much as you can and invest them.
He has no reason to complain getting the car he got!
I am 10min into your 24min long video since I was in the market for an X7 and stumbled across your Channel. I have to say this video was a breath of fresh air in regards to how you speak and relay your feedback. I love it when people are raw and speak from the heart with peppering of some curse words when its necessary. Definitely subscribing for future content.
Own a ‘21 X5 M50i- This review perfectly captures what it’s like to live with this one of these things. Like Mark, I paid through the nose for the extended warranty so I could sleep at night. Seat ventilation is a joke, now I know why very few dealers spec with with it. Gesture control is kinda cool for forwarding tracks, volume control and some other stuff but is a gimmick for sure. That said, the V8 doesn’t get old.
Lexus has great ventilated seats (cooling)
I don't like the V8. Way too many hoses and fittings to go wrong as the vehicle ages. From a mechanic's POV, the inline 6 would be the better option. It's still reasonably fast and has better fuel economy. The N63 is the only engine I don't like working on/fixing. Everything is a mess with the hoses
As a technician for BMW from 2014 to 2017, I would be really really apprehensive of owning a V8 from them, but if they really have improve cooling, the material for the valve guide seals, and all of the coolant hose and ventilation hoses on the engine, oh, and the timing chain stretch issue, the rest of the engine should be pretty bulletproof
A lot of “if’s” 😂
Why'd you stop in 2017?
Yes hearing that this V8 was one of the most reliable was news to me so thank you for adding to the conversation. My F85 X5 M had a cracked cylinder and in general use a lot of oil in between services, but at least I got a new engine under my extended warranty and this replacement engine works like clockwork so far.
What do you think? Its been 6 years since you last worked on them and more than a decade of evolution of the N63 engine. And well, yeah, a mechanic isnt the intended target of a V8 bimmer anyways. You nutheads still seem to not realize how certain things require a way higher degree of attention and maintenance that only big wallets can properly afford... Theres nothing more telling of a shitty maintenance than a timig chain stretching. Maybe, just maybe, you should take a look at the owners too... Knuckheads buying bimmers and treating it and expecting civic reliability are a recipe for disaster.
And lastly, for the 100th time, learn how to diferentiate between personal experience and bias and actual data. You only saw broken V8s cause you were a frikin mechanic. A Lexus tech will also see mostly broken Lexus'. What the hell do you expect?
Toyota proofed these power trains while doing that partnership for the Supra. All the engines are bulletproof if you have a 2019 or newer
I've heard the Toyota Sienna is a great downgrade from the BMW X7. It's cheaper, more practical and sexier.
I rode in one just a few weeks back, really enjoyed it.
Dude
It’s the X7 that is the downgrade. How dare you!? #minivans4lyfe
What’s wrong with mild hybrid?? Weight? Complexity?
toyota sienna sexier? i just threw up in my mouth
40i is actually not bad financially wise with the b58
DID SOMEONE SAY B58??? - jack
Simplicity = reliable
Yeah I think its the better decision if it's your daily. You get better consumable costs. Can get 28-30mpg on the highway. B58 is fairly reliable too.
I saw an X7 at costco and asked the owner how he liked it. He said he loved it and mentioned most of the issues on with the V8. Noted. Love this but I'd pass on the V8 everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
@@gbriank1So a Model T would be more reliable than a modern car ? OK
i down graded from a x5 m50i to a 2024 xdrive40i and i thought its what i should have started with, funny thing is after driving the sDrive, its REALLY what i should have done. it feels much lighter, and has a great driving impression. alot of people myself included looked at the Sdrive as the entry level, but the truth is an sdrive with M sport package pro is really what someone who wants a sporty drive should not over look.
have you tried the 5 sedan?
Sdrive? Do you mean 40i, because I’d never purchase a BMW without xdrive.
@@bradleyscarreviews the X5 is available, only in US, as sDrive 40i.
Not sure how long they will sell this rwd model, everyone buys awd midsize suv these days.
15 years ago yould could even buy a +400hp rwd chevy trailblazer ss, lol
2023 MDX advance Owner here - Nothing but joy driving this vehicle. I had a RX350 in the past. The MDX base advance is what I really need for NYC traffic.
MDX feels kind of rough in NYC, I would prefer RX suspension
Traded my 2022 X7 M50i in for a CX-90 a few months ago for all the same reasons as this video. Couldn’t be happier and never looked back. Great video!
Can you give a quick review on the Mazda? How's the third row? What drivetrain did you get? How's the steering?
@@danielrd7493 Gladly! I love it! Have about 5k miles on it and no issues at all. It’s no X7 but it’s also half the price and the interior punches above its weight. The steering is surprisingly good for its size and weight. It’s direct and weights up well, but still is electronic power steering on an SUV so theres only so good it can get. I have the Turbo S Premium Plus. I wouldn’t call it fast, but it’s not slow. I would say the transmission logic holds the inline 6 back pretty heavily in terms of fun. But, I’m averaging 24mpg combined (with a bit of a lead-foot), but it easily gets 32 highway. For reference my M50i was getting 16mpg combined and would struggle to get 21 highway.
@@cnc_general Much obliged. I need to test drive your trim level. I've got the X5 right now, need more room for a growing family. Weighing between Acura, Mazda and BMW third-row products.
This is the exact car I was thinking about at the end when he was playing up the commodity brands in the outro. I hope he goes for one.
@@cnc_general what was the size of your wheels in the X7?
I got the bmw x7 2019 x40i for $50k with almost all the bills and whistles and it’s one of my favorite cars I have ever owned. I had to spend 6k on extended warranty to 100k miles but it’s definitely worth it. I recommend getting an X7 over any other 3 row car. I almost got the v8 but I heard it’s not as reliable as the inline 6, plus, I wouldn’t have utilize it more than 5% of the time not to mention the fuel economy of a V8 (mine gets 20mpg combined) get the X7 in-line 6 and you won’t be disappointed
Nice! I’m considering picking up exactly the same spec x7 for $60K CAD I have a 5 year old and 9 month old, have you put car seats in, any feedback ?
@@moelo5930 yes, there is plenty of space, I would recommend getting seat covers so the leather isn’t damaged. The only downside that it take FOREVER to move the seats to access the 3rd row
Man yours is basically a unicorn. I have a 2021 M50 and wanted the tvs for my brats as I keep them locked in the car all day as I’m in important business meetings. They discontinued after the 2020 model year. The heated center console has broken 3x since buying in October 2020, but that is the coolest feature on the car. It’s dumb but amazing. I’m in warm climate so can’t imagine how much greater it is for Illinois winter. Also looking to get into something smaller more efficient but cant bring myself to get into a numb experience of a Lexus hybrid product.
I’m current owner of 2020 X7 and this video is the most detailed review I ever watched! Masterpiece!
You really don’t need a 3-row, and you will miss the BMW drivetrain, suspension and iDrive7 system. Get yourself a 2022 or 2023 X5 with the B58 in-line Six. It will give you everything you like in the X7 without all the bells and whistles of your M50. You can get a BMW Certified X5 off lease for less than $65k. I just did and I love it !
"it doesn't suck, it doesn't blow, it just doesn't serve its function" cracked me up here, lol
They work fine, but they are not "cooled seats" or "seat coolers", just ventilation. You dont get sweaty in summer if you turn the seat ventilation on. I wouldnt want another bmw with leather seats without seat ventilation
@@janriha3956 if you can compare them to G30 5 series seat ventilation, how would you rate them?
It looks wayyyy better than new X7
Who thought BMW would ever be aping Hyundai design?
A concrete brick looks way better than the new X7.
@@machtschnell7452Or Nissan. With the headlights
This video appears in my youtube front page, and I found it's THE most detailed review of a vehicle in every aspect. Instant subscription.
I think an interesting video would be a "bachelor" type of contest where you are looking for the X7 Replacement, you get an MDX a CX-90 a Kia, a Navigator and a Lexus and see what works best for you. basically covering anywhere from 45 to 65K to keep it reasonable (thus no Q7)
I think the CX-90 would be perfect for him.
You could get a decently speced 4 cylinder Q7 in the low 60s and a decently speced 6 cylinder one in the high 60s (also there's always used Q7s and even Q8s out there)
@@ThinkfreeorDie I agree the CX90 would be perfect for him
Q7 is actually in the same segment as X5 and GLE. But X5 doesn’t offer 3rd row seats so they have wider 2nd row seats
Navigators are 100k
Watched this a second time and I wonder if mark would’ve been better buying a base 40i rather than a fully loaded m50i to avoid the firm suspension and poor running cost of high fuel consumption, air suspension costs, super huge tire size cost, active sway bar cost, etc.
We have diesel in Europe, which suits much better to SUV. Even M50d with 400HP before FCL, now 340HP only. But still…
Sure but the truth it's a car for someone who makes 3 to 400k a year. I don't know marks finances but I don't think he made the type of money the vehicle commands. Thus the consumables were killing him. Not unlike the people buy used S classes and get crushed financially after a single dealer visit.
The I6 is the one to buy. Even an enthusiast with a large platform and income stream tired of the V8s downsides.
@@bigcjm I don’t think he had an issue affording it, it’s just beyond his needs and ridiculous no matter how you slice it. He’s always had practical, reasonable vehicles. I can see how over time this wore on him.
@@sapereaude7776The M50d is just baffling to me. Two more turbos that can go wrong, worse fuel economy while not being that much quicker than a 40d and noisier on the highway at higher speeds due to gears being shorter.
My m340i has been amazing. Only issue I had was the driver side mirror shorted out bc of a water leak which also shorted out the module for the laser lights. Since that was fix, no issues. Good thing I have a extended warranty lol.
How much was it
@@adeezy5503 I got my m340i last year for $48k with 27k miles. Still had 1 year left on factory warranty. My m340i is nicely speccef with the engineering motorsports (cooling and performance package), vernasca leather, laser lights, and premium package which includes heating seats and heads up display. I’m glad it doesn’t have adaptive suspension as that will be expensive to replace down the road.
Great and honest review. I have the ‘21 X7 40i with the 3 seater 2nd row and I’m more than happy. Geeked to be honest. I understand that maintenance may be costly compared to others, but man, it’s so worth the whole package of what you get here with the X7. From the look, luxury, comfort and performance I am in love. I’m far from wealthy but I can’t imagine getting any other 3 rowed SUV. Maybe a Range Rover? But this sporty X7 drives like a sedan to me. So I think I would be sticking to this model until otherwise specified!
Good luck when it’s gonna turn into a money pit
I got a 40i without absolutely ANY idea about bmw in general. I actually got it as an alternative to a highlander, which was more expensive and smaller. I am (so far) super glad i got the b58. Haven't had any issues whatsoever in 4 months that ove had it. (I got it at the dealership witg 30k by the way). Very very happy with it. Sometimes i wish i had the 50i but then i see my mpg and forget about it 😂. Great video 🎉
What I like about those guy, they tell you how it is and go straight to the point. No sugar coating. Love it 😊
9:13 I discovered many years ago that sensible and practical is actually the upgrade. My net happiness was always lower when I had a big, expensive, depreciating asset in my garage.
The reality is the target market for this and other luxury SUVs is made up of buyers who lease, not buy, and the Germans have figured this out . . . they deliberately design the vehicles to fail one way or another after the warranty runs out.
@@LearnAboutFlow If you say so, I noticed that most owners actually lack in care/maintenance and gentle driving which leads to component failures and then they act surprised because they think a high price tag means nothing will ever break or need service. I have serviced my 2016, 2020, 2022 BMWs way before the system would even tell me to do it and drive them with moderate intensity, V8 and inline 6 as well as 4 cylinder, and all I had to do over the years was watch the tire thread, buy sport tires, replace valves, shock absorbers, most of which was on a 2016 ofcourse but for three cars even if I didn't have warranty it never surpassed 10K in total. Ofcourse there may be lemons, but if you take great care -- they will run well a very long time. Moreover, if someone is overly worried about service costs, it is a wrong brand segment to get into. I love the cars so I am actually happy if something is replaced with new because I know it will run well during my ownership.
All depends on what you can afford. For myself, I just do not like other designs and do not mind the running costs at all. With good personal care their vehicles run without a problem and high expense.
@@21Pogon That is simply not true and the repair records and quality ratings prove it. The German cars are hit or miss as far as quality, which has ZERO to do with how well you maintain it. BMW, Audi (always garbage) and Mercedes know their vehicles need only last as long as the lease. My friend's CPO BMW i8 proved that in spades. A small plastic part FAILED and caused $24k in engine repair. The car was like five years old, and had very low mileage. Plus, the part melted a few days AFTER he had the car serviced and inspected by the BMW dealer. Luckily he had the extended warranty.
@@LearnAboutFlow I heard that i8 was a nightmare for reliability too. As I said, it can be expensive and there are lemons. But if you didn’t get a lemon and take excellent care, there should not be any problems. My vehicles: X1 F48, X3M and X5M all have no lower than 4.2/5 reliability rating. I can attest simply from own experience of not having problems, I do my own service though and save that way but I service often depending on how I drive and annual service costs come out to be about 2 thousand dollars, which is cheap imho.
We own a 2020 X5 and I literally have zero desire to jump into a new model. It's a great machine.
Excellent video, Mark. We owned a 2019 X7 40i and traded it in with 90k miles for a 2022 X7 40i that now has 47k miles. Both were and have been extremely reliable. Definitely agree that it's difficult to move on to another platform once you're familiar with the previous gen BMW interior functionality. Keep up the great work!
My parents just got a Certified 2020 X7 40i with 48k miles now that prices have come down. It will go back under warranty to get a CV joint replaced because there is a popping noise at low speed turning. Have you had to replace anything to do with the suspension or steering?
@@nealp885 Nope. We've had no issues with either X7 that we've owned. *knocks on wood*
@@nealp885 My first BMW is a 2022 X5 m50i. I bought brand new, has 33k miles. Great drive but at 25k miles I had to replace left and right tie rods, and about 30k miles a clicking noise started on right front axle. Haven’t had it checked yet but I have a suspicion that it’s the CV joint. I’ve never had this much trouble out of a new car. I’m starting to regret my purchase. Also, tires replaced at 25k and the cost is outrageous. Wasn’t prepared for that.
@@cristyrjordan
With all due respect, you bought a German luxury car with a powerful engine. Did you expect maintenance costs to be like a 2006 Honda? IMO it’s worth it because nothing Japan puts out is as luxurious or as powerful German cars. Even going from a Camry to a C class of the same model year is a night and day difference.
Have you tought mybe your drivestyle is also at fault here?@@cristyrjordan
You gotta love the "Individual Piano Black Trim" option for $1,080. What a steal.
About 85%, maybe even more, of your observations about the X7 are identical to my experience with a 2017 Cayenne Turbo. The Cayenne's interior has usable buttons (benefit of the older gen) and is a great luxury experience like your X7 (fuzzy headliners unite), it's also got the big ol' V8 for on-ramp domination, but big power is a rarely usable party trick with these SUVs and costs will kill you.
20:08 I value this part of the video the most. The ownership comparison between market rivals. It makes sense that the Acura MDX Type S and Honda Pilot stand out. Wish the Mazda CX90 had the same interior dimensions
I'm on my 3rd X7 and love them. 2019, 2021 40i's and now a 2024 M60i. I agree the V8 is not necessary, but it sure is fun. My draggy is showing 4.1 to 60 and 12.4 @ 110. Also, pulling .91g through turns. I miss the mix of buttons of the pre-lci, but it's easy to adapt to the on screen controls and the new screens are glorious. I bought it because for me, there is no better driving LARGE SUV. Put it in sport mode and your gonna need a pretty high end sports car to keep up!
This is how you do it. Spend a crap load in monthly payments, insurance, tax and licensing - what... 3k/month would you say? - and drive worry free! Bada bing Bada boom.
@@bassandtrebleclef haha. Life costs money. All depends on your financial situation. If you make 50k a month, I'm not sure 3k is going to break the bank.
@@bassandtrebleclefDamn, bro. You sound salty as hell 😆
Great video.
You said it all in your last statement.
"It will be hard going back to a normal SUV after the BMW".
They are great.
I had no idea Mark got rid of the LC500. It's my dream car and a real gem in the modern car industry. Sad to see it go
We have a 2020 x740i. In the last two years the only thing to fail is the rear seat motor. It's been stuck at the dealer for two weeks. I hate the seat motors. They get confused; don't lock properly. I wish there was a full manual function to fold the seats. With a larger family this was my biggest let down.
Otherwise it's a 7 seater supra. Love the power train and especially the transmission
At your final thoughts, as they say people who get this type of vehicle really do not bother too much on the running cost because money isn’t an issue. As normal people, it really is both a joy and pain to have! I also cannot agree more on your last point that it’s hard to put this behind and pick something more normal.
Fellow Illinoian here! I did a similar progression from the Volvo S90 to 2020 BMW 750i. A few comments:
-This generation's consumables seem much more prone to failure. I've already had to replace my fuel pump and injectors. On the 7 series, the coolant reservoir is placed where coolant easily spills into the injector holes and kills them. I had to replace 4 because the BMW master mechanic did a coolant flush without waiting for the engine to cool down.
-Yes, the seat coolers are MUCH weaker than previous generations. They reduced the amount of fans and use a single channel to push air. Looks like a design compromise due seat massage.
-Yes, seat massage is meh. It does, however help on long roadtrips. I recently took a 2.5k roadtrip and turning on massage helped eliminate that backside numbing you commonly get on long drives.
-BMWTIS subscriptions are amazing. You can get all diagnostic and repair manual access for $32. That said, BMW is becoming much less enthusiast and self-repair friendly than it was in the past. Also, good luck finding an ICOM Next as they've been out of stock for years.
-BMW's dealership experience has gotten weird. Think ultra-bureaucratic and more cult-like. Err, maybe even "Mercedes"-like. Many have multiple levels of people you need to speak to in order to achieve what you want to accomplish and it's more like attending the church of BMW.
-BMW parts are reasonable online. If you don't find the dealership's online parts shop, you'll easily spend 2x at full MSRP.
-Expect a massive jump on your insurance premium.
-This is the last generation BMW was coding friendly. You can add a ton of features (like newer model updates, expanded self-driving and anti-dazzle headlights). New models have secure coding enabled and no longer mod friendly.
-BMW is handling updates similarly to Apple. You get what came out when you bought the car. If a new feature comes out, it's unlikely you'll get it despite your car having the hardware to do so. ...and features are region locked. A German version can do stop at stop lights/signs, pull over for emergency vehicles and even pull off the highway based on your route.
-The lack of a spare tire and limited tire options are more of a problem than you think. I got a flat on a long roadtrip on a Sunday. BMW offered to tow it to a dealership and wait around a day (or more). None of the open shops would touch my car, let alone try and repair a runflat. I finally bought a patch kit and inflator at AutoZone, which worked, but I've never felt so helpless and frustrated before.
This channel deserves more subscribers and views. Quality content at it's best👌
The cost of ownership is greatly overstated in this video. If you're a dealer only non DIY and dont have a regular mechanic then by all means, you cannot afford it. The parts he mentioned are nowhere near that cost unless you're going to the stealership, dealers do not create piece of mind, they are winging it. Def a great buy if you know about cars and can repair on your own and have some mechanic friends .
I Normally never comment but I must say I look forward to your HONEST no flak reviews.
A couple questions from a fellow BMW/General car enthusiast
The X7 is more of a status-mobile for most buyers. That saud do I person6think the X7 40i with the B58 fixes a lot of the issues and fits almost everyone's needs. Basically a X7 40i with traditional suspension is the sweet spot. Thoughts?
I currently own a 23 M3 comp RWD.... EVERY SINGLE ISSUE both interior and performance wise that you mention are exactly my same issues with my G80.
I think the two best BMWs on sale right now are the X5 40i, and an 840i gran coupe. They're very over looked and under-rated vehicles that are good at just about everything.
Current M cars are mind boggling fast but owners know wear n tear parts are always in the back of our mind.
Great review, good stuff guy, love your stuff!
Yes if you need a 3 row the X7 with B58 is more than enough should be softer as well.
My neighbor has a beautiful 23 M3 Comp. He's scared of putting miles on it bc of the running costs.
@@quantttum for the first 3 years all services are free so I'm not sure what he's worried about. I'm in Germany and we don't have free service 😢. My first service was $400, second service $230.
All you talked about in the first half of the video was the reason I ended up buying a Grand Cherokee 23 and maxed out in options+ camping capabilities and I can’t be happier
No one else is creating content of this quality this consistently… I only buy my car’s based on what Mark says. I don’t need to do any more comprehensive research he does it and I think him for it.
M539 Restorations for nuts and bolts, not just ride arounds.
I leased my 2022 X5 based on Mark and Jack's review. Got the B58 motor and love every drive!
Mark, you can't go wrong with a MDX Type S.
Fast camera car, low running costs. Looks sexy too!
Finally make your garage all-Honda products. 😄👍
+1 for the MDX Type S. Zero buyers remorse on the purchase.
would get less expensive base MDX or X5@@KoTerrors
Type s trim is a waste.
rusts like a mofo
@@ak2112absolutely. The J35 NA in the Advance/A-Spec is sufficient and more bang for your buck than the 3.0t
Acura MDX Type S will be his next vehicle!
You never know, he might want something better on fuel (but if he doesn't care the MDX Type-S is a compelling option)
Hey host, I have a bmw 340i as my dad vehicle and a Honda Pilot for our family vehicle. Ive been dying to upgrade to an X7. The Pilot handles like a tank, slow, but as you mentioned it pulls off the family duties very well. This video has convinced me that the X7 is not a family vehicle until your kids are 10+
Not the m50i that is, the 40i is. With bench seat.
I’m coming from a Telluride which also drives and handles like a big slow tank. The 40i is the most practical choice for most families with bench as the comment above points out
@@cizzlen07 those tellurides have gotten great reviews
I also have an M340i as my personal fun toy and a Acura RDX for family use. I did test drive the Pilot and Passport as well as X3 and GLC before getting the RDX. The standard Honda SUVs are exactly like what you described. The X3 I tested was 30i the dynamic is just similar to the RDX. Not sure if a 40i would be much different on the X3. The GLC is very luxurious but lack the dynamic. My biggest complaint on the M340i is actually the lack of ventilated seats, otherwise the perfect sedan I ever owned.
Mark: everything works
Also Mark: nothing works
Im driving a 2018 Chevy Cruze. I just bled out the brakes today only because its going on 6 years old with 19400k miles. it cost me 17k new. Ive had 0 issues so far
As someone having issues with my brand new MDX Type-S that the dealer can't/won't fix - I've got my eye on this.
What problem it is ?
Steering wheel creaks badly and randomly. Replaced tie rods, replaced cable reel and still have this problem. Acura doesn't want to try any other fixes and is forcing me to pursue a lemon law. @@andersonrodriguez8258
Same here. I don’t have problem with my mdx but don’t like that vehicle with soft brakes, engine sound signature.
Ouch. What’s the issue with the car?
Steering wheel creaks badly and randomly. Replaced tie rods, replaced cable reel and still have this problem. Acura doesn't want to try any other fixes and is forcing me to pursue a lemon law.@@faheemabbas3965
Oh Mark, I see it had the $1000 “personal piano black” package. Obviously a must-have for you.
Long time BMW owner and fanboy here. However when it came time to replace my SUV with something with better gas economy and more streamlined, i went for a Lincoln Aviator over the X7 or Audi Q8. While not in the same league of the Germans in interior execution , the cost of long term ownership and the warranty made better sense with the Lincoln for the type of use i need it for: college move-ins, traveling with my 2 labs, beach vacations, bike trailer etc...Its got superb power and will hold up looking elegant for the 5 yr window i plan on needing it. Any Ford dealer can service it down the road if need be, and its does just fine running on 87 octane since day 1.
Knowing kids and actual family use vehicle, X7 is really over the top and too high maintenance for a family beater.
It exists because wealthy people want to show off their wealth and feel special. Nobody said it was practical. haha@@kenim
You didn't pay the subscription for the cooled seats
Ewww.... BMW, MB, Lincoln.... You're gluten for punishment. Or, only lease those heaps of garbage for 3 years and move on
The Lincoln Aviator looks 10x sexier IMO then the X7/GLS. Interior is very close to the germans.
I appreciate the diesel versions of the X7 and X5 aren't sold in north America, but in Europe they remain the dominant engine type. The 30d and 40d engines have great refinement, power, torque and fuel economy (37mpg which gives a range of 700miles) they suit these heavy cars very well
I purchased a 2021 X7 M50i 4 weeks ago. Mark encapsulated my entire ownership experience in his review. He touched on my dislikes, disappointments & frustrations as well as what makes it a great vehicle to own. My warranty is up in two years I’m probably going to enjoy this thirsty monster for a year or so then try to find a similar experience at a more reasonable cost of ownership level.
I feel the lesser equipped luxury SUVs are the way to go. Much lower running costs while still offering that quiet, luxury experience.
I fucking adore my X5 M50i, got one of the last pre-LCI ones from the dealer lot. Traded my G80 M3 for it and never looked back. The G05 platform is amazing in combination with that engine and trans combo.
Does M50i drive better than an M3? That’s super interesting to know
Wow you nailed this vehicle! Amazing.
I own a 2021 X7 fully loaded -and funny you said the cup holders are trash! Absolutely and from day one the center cup console wireless charger etc did not work. But I finally got the dealership to fix it! Idk if it will continue working. I had to really go back and forth...w service about 5 times bc their rationale for not fixing made zero sense. Long story short we got to the owner of dealership and did a quid pro quo's between businesses.
And yet the service manager said don't put drinks in there like wait what!? it's the drinks causing the issue a build up on the wires.
I had to fight tooth and nail.
Your review is spot on!
I love the vehicle- it's great for my life right now. I want the wraparound mats!!!
I just had my ambient lighting fixed too. but I need to see if it works at the bottom. I don't recall.
And yes I had trouble w tires bc of different sizes as well. Cost me $3K! Bc I waited and needed and had to pay for what was available. Originally it was $1850. Ugh. I needed tires at 15K per my dealership
Which upset me!
Great piece! Would love to hear the long-form analysis on the buying process for the replacement. I think there are a lot of families that are looking at the jump into the family hauler purchase that would lean towards the "buy once, cry once" mentality for a family vehicle with bulletproof reliability and reasonable running costs. I know I would and I am looking to make that upgrade from an XC-40 in the next year.
All I know is Mark makes rather poor car purchases.
@@philipparana9225yeah he definitely does pick stupid ass cars that don’t work
I'm really hoping to see this for sale on Cars and Bids, because I cannot imagine you two getting through a video with Doug. I'd need an extra-large bowl of popcorn for that.
THIS
@@thedeadpoet000 ... is the BMW X7 M50, and it's now on my site, Carsnbids, and I'm gonna talk about.... :D
Use you extended warranty on the cup holders and charger. I have a 23 and they both work phenomenal.
I bought a almost fully loaded 2020 750 with 30k miles. Opted for the service plan and extended warranty and I can say it’s been flawless. Only thing I’ve done to it is pull the exhaust flap fuse, because who wants a muted V8.
I had a Taycan 4S and an X7M50I much like your LC500/X7 Combo, and I wanted to combine THOSE into a single family car and got the Cayenne GTS Coupe. It really is, absolutely, incredibly driving dynamics for a family hauler and GT car. Eats miles like crazy.
So you could go the other way... :)
I think the trick is the unibody German 3 row SUV's bring more function than Korean and Japanese market products that sell for less. The big difference is in towing. The Q7, GLS, and X7 seem to be in a class of their own when it comes to towing. They are a step up from Pilot, Highlander, and CX-90 for vehicles tnat are fun to drive 365 days a year yet can pull a boat or camper 20-40 days a year.
Seems like Mark was generally pretty pleased, but was he as happy as he would’ve been with an Oldsmobile Bravada?!
Ford Tempo for life!!! :)
I drive one of these for work, hotel Chauffer in San Diego. This is our house car. It’s rough riding, always having warning lights on, and it goes through expensive tires like there’s no tomorrow. Guests always complain how rough it rides! My Lexus with 314k miles is way smoother. The X7 is more of a drivers SUV, not a great passenger car.
I currently have a X5 40i of the same year, and I wonder how he would feel if he had the B58 engine in his X7, especially since he liked the MDX Type S.
I've owned to 40i X7's. The B58 is way more than adequate. Sure you have to wind it out more than the V8, but it is not slow. BMW also under rates their power figures.
@@The_action_is_the_juice I couldn’t agree with you more. Definitely not slow.
I’ve had 4 B58s and NEVER had an unscheduled maintenance, issue, whatever. A couple were stage 2 w/FBO and still no problems. Definitely the best engine since the 2JZ. I avoid 50 badged BMWs like the plague. Only problem I’ve ever had with BMWs is the sunroof sometimes takes twice to close.
The post refresh I6 has more power and torque also. I wouldn’t buy one any other way. More than adequate. Still in the 5s 0-60. Remarkable for the size.
How long have you had it and have you had issues?
E28 was my dream when I was a kid. I Had all the brochures from BMW and my uncle had a 320i in 1982 which I loved to bits.
Great honest review, glad some elements of BMW engineering thoughtfulness are continuing, I’ll keep my e39, thanks Mark
Camera car and daily driver is an all blacked out twin turbo v8 suv. So badass
always happy to see mark on this channel
great work
This was such an amazing video. Love the highlights about how it gets you painfully for maintenance and repairs. Lots of videos just go over the stats but answering the long term $$$ can I do this is the most critical piece I needed
And I cannot do it thanks to your video
I'm looking at one of these with the inline 6.
Was considering the x5 but I think the x7 might be better for me.
Just wait until they get past the lease and pay 22k for a 90k vehicle. Inherit the problems and accept you're going to get stranded and also that it's hard to distinguish between your bmw and the one they sell at those we finance anyone lots that gets loaded up with limo tint, illegal guns, and marijuana smoke.
I think I like the videos like this into your life more than the car reviews. Your ownership videos are always so good
I love my X3 M40i which is a smaller sister car to the X7 M50i. Great review! I get less space but it's also a lot smaller and lighter too, and very very dynamic. I was also lucky to get idrive 7, not 8, with the fully manual controls. Wouldn't want their giant screens and other stupidity. And yep the X7 is wayy expensive to run...
How reliable is/has it been? The M40i has the B58 correct?
@@TJ_Kirkland. yes, B58. Mine has about 50k miles. Only maintenance needed was a serpentine belt tensioner.
At 50k miles, nothing should fail unless you're tracking or offroading. At 65k miles with no warranty, it's gonna get real.
I had an X3M... It was incredible as far as performance but really made for a dogshit SUV lol
@@bassandtrebleclef how so ?
Just picked up my CPO '21 X7 M50i and I really agree with the statement this car delivers the that next level performance and comfort that just isn't there in an MDX Type-S or my '16 XC90. I wouldn't have paid MSRP when new on mine but I can see why it's priced that way. In other words, I think it would be a blessing to not be able to tell the difference ( or be ok with it) so you can stick with a more affordable SUV. As for me, I loving every min I'm in my X7.
Looking at a ‘21 CPO M50i as well. How your gas mileage been? Its not a dealbreaker for me, but I do wonder if I’d be better off with an iX
@@charlesbcraigthe mpg is not bad considering the amount of power it delivers but it’s still bad, i average in the 16-18 mpg in my daily commute (50/50). All highway is the low 20s. If you’re considering an iX, that’s a very different car/experience, clearly more efficient but not as big as the x7 so comes down to what you value. If mpg is important, you may want to err on the iX
@@pwang33ece thanks good to know!
Great piece - thank you. Very similar logic to my own back in 21. I had the choice of this or SQ7 in the UK. Went Audi on pricing (20% lower here with discounts) and felt the smaller Audi slightly better for UK and Europe but X7 looked great and I am a BMW fan (own a Z1).
I copped the same spec just with black interior and I'm more than satisfied. This review is great!
I find it amusing how many different models that 8 speed transmission is in, like the urus, wrangler and supra.
I have the 8HP95 in my daily...truly a remarkable transmission family.
Great review, and the comments about the slow seat movement is spot on! I've celebrated birthdays waiting for the seats to move! The inline 6 in our 2020 has been bullet proof through 48k miles, and very few minor issues needed dealer correction. The BMWness was worth it to us in compared to others we drove, but you need to like that ride/handling etc or it probably isn't worth the extra money. If the Mercedes GLS had more comfortable and slightly longer seat bottoms it would have been a contender.
Loved the review! I have a 2020 Alpina XB7 and can relate to a lot of your thoughts and comments which I feel are relevant and accurate. Well done 👏🏽
The massive grille looks much less conspicuous when blacked out against a matching black body. The car is actually handsome in this configuration. Well done!
Yup I will be avoiding the Volvo XC-90 . And thank you for your ownership experience cause I’m going used from now on just to avoid that depreciating factor. But the automotive world is all messed up right now so choose wisely for your long term purchase(s)😅
17:04 That’s why you get a B58 and tune it. More reliable, better mpg, cheaper to run if you get 21s, and has the standard suspension, rides MUCH better than the M50. Lots of running cost problems solved by not getting the V8.
I completely understand the "it's awesome and everything I want, but it's killing my wallet to run" point of view. I've got a high milage Gen 1 Raptor and feel like that sometimes, but I don't think I could ever sell it!
My mums got a x7 40i and its the best 7 seater suv for a family huge and yet compact. Crazy features and still learning at 50k kms
Great vehicle but for a daily honestly I think for space , comfort and options not gonna lie the 2024 kia telluride is just an all around banger of a vehicle. With that said it's no bmw but it gets the job done with no regrets and fully loaded at 54k. I've learned that trying to compromise making a sport suv a replacement for a toy just doesn't work and the kia allows me to have both without worrying about all the maintenance on my daily hauler.
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@@SkeletalMisunderstanding yessir I loved my launch 2020 telly sx p. I want to trade my 2023 durango rt hemi tow and go in for the 2024 telluride but that sound from the v8 is just awesome. Last of the few. But yeah who knows I might just. That wolf grey on black looks stunning. Best 3 row and value I've driven in a long time.
Just bought a 2021 Lc500 convertible because of your reviews. It arrives this week!
“You get a lot for the money that’s why you buy a BMW”. I’ve literally never heard that line before.
i was panicking after no monday upload, good work sir
I bought an M3 new in the 90's and have owned about 9 more BMWs since then. I was a fanboy of the highest order, but the last two X5s I owned left me stranded on the side of the hwy (one shifter failure and one engine seized). Those problems were fixed under warranty because BMW would rather apologize and beg forgiveness before building something dependable. My local dealer nodded understandingly when I told him a bought a Genesis. Mark's X7 only had small problems so far, but these cars cannot make it through five years of trouble-free ownership. They are gimmicky tech products engineered for the show-room.
@rodgerk They were fixed under warranty. So...what's the problem? Should we purchase a GM or Mercedes product next?
@@MH-xu4ez The problem is sitting on the side of a California desert hwy for hours on a 106F afternoon because the V8 engine seized at 80 mph. The problem is a failed door lock system on a F90 M5 that left my friend and his wife standing on the sidewalk in a dangerous neighborhood. The problem is the constant unscheduled warranty service visits to the dealership while you drive an ersatz loaner. I was at the local dealership so much I became good friends with the staff there and got invited over for dinner. BMW has lots of cool owner events and I met a lot of cool people, but it's like an abusive relationship. No more. I'm trying Genesis right now (so far it's been nothing but oil changes in 45k miles). Eventually I will try AMG. My buddy with the M5 moved to Porsche.
@@rodgerk. Stranded in a "dangerous neighborhood". Got it. That's all I needed to know.
@@MH-xu4ez with the quotes and blatantly ignoring everything else he said it looks like you are trying to spin this into it being his problem?
@@S8ER Interpret it however you like. I'm more interested in what years he owned the BMW vehicles and which models. Their V8 engines have been notoriously unreliable, but their recent straight six engines have been great. I've owned four BMWs since 2018, all with the B58, and my vehicles have been reliable, albeit expensive to maintain.
Watching this video after i bought a 2022 x5 x40i very loaded and i agree about the interior and i drive 7 vs the new one 8-9-10. I enjoy having manual buttons. A real console instead of the new stupid trend of monitors in front of you. I have tuxmat and i’m not a fan of them.
Fantastic real world review Mark, and I have to say their later engines, particularly the B48/58, are vastly improved in terms of reliability (although the electronics can be quirky). The problem is when something goes it costs big $$$ to put it right. I don’t like the transition to screens for every menial task. Ridiculous. Dynamically they aren’t what they were years ago but still among the better drivers for this class. Transition to full EV will be very depressing for we enthusiasts but it will be easier for my wife’s boyfriend to sneak in.😳
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Love BMW’s. I’ve had 4 of them. Unfortunately the issues pile up right after initial warranty. My most recent model, a beautiful 2011 328i M Sport started having -minor- but annoying and constant issues right at 65k. But oh, do they drive nice?
I have to say the Stelvio I drove recently was nicer than my X3 but yes owning any European car outside the warranty period is a bit of a crapshoot. Shame they can’t have Lexus build quality. @@JuanCarlosLTO
My B58 powered 440i is the most reliable car I’ve owned & I abuse the hell out of it.
@@JuanCarlosLTOIf that is a 6MT, that is a gem. Just stay ahead on maintenance.
Mark the binding your feeling is from the transfer box (VTG). Common problem. A fluid service of the transfer box will correct your binding feeling. There is a service bulletin.
Thank you man!
With your CTR, I'm pretty sure the enthusiast side is satisfied. You probably need a top trim Sienna for family duty, trips and filming.
Thanks!