Hey man! Thanks so much for reviewing my cut of Ahsoka. Really appreciate all the kind things you had to say and I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Love your stuff! May the Force be with you 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Blows my mind how fans with no financial backing can create something far superior in a shorter period of time than a multi billion dollar company ... 🤦 It proves that the majority of a recipe for a successful creation is passion.
In this case it mostly proves the power of editing. As has been said before quite a few movies were saved (and some destroyed) in the editing room a long time after filming stopped.
I think it's more that corporate interests are always at odds with the creative ones. All the things that benefit them financially become shackles to overcome. Padded run times, cutting corners, over-reliance on nostalgia, high risk aversion, etc.
@@kaleiohulee6693Thank you for mentioning it as "over reliance" on nostalgia. I agree that there is a balance that can be struck with it. Heck, as an EU fan I know non-luke characters of quality can be made.
One thing that bothers me a lot and I don't see mentioned often is the amazingly boring design choices for this new galaxy. They go to a whole new galaxy for the first time ever in Star Wars, and it's just rocky wasteland with generic alien bandits and wanderers. Nothing cool or different or special about this galaxy. Thrawn and his troops apparently just sat around decorating their armor until they got rescued. They could have conquered the region, discovered new weapons, and actually been a threat when they come back. Wasted potential.
These are all assumptions you've made based off the tiny bit we've seen so far. There's clearly something Thrawn has been up to we just haven't seen it yet, and there's a lot more to the galaxy that we haven't seen yet either.
Thrawn is a very hard character to write because if you aren’t a brilliant military strategist and just a typical writer, most of your plot ideas come off as silly. I think they needed some consultants for the show. I also hated how clean things looked. Sure the costumes have been nominated or won an award but they kinda drove me nuts. I do wonder if the whole thing had a film look vs a crisp digital look if that would have helped. As far as the edit goes, I love that these exist and its great to see someone who is passionate about Star Wars doing great things.
I think they say writers are only able to write characters one or two levels smarter than themselves. They shouldn't have used Thrawn unless they could craft the entire plot around him and have him somehow win in the end.
Thrawn in Ahsoka takes L after L, mind you with the deck heavily stacked in his favor, then throws his hands up and declares victory anyway. He's a midwits concept of a good strategist. Oh, and he was fat. Call me shallow if you like for caring, but that's not Thrawn, it's anti-Thrawn. He doesn't have the force or beskar or a neverending supply of battle droids, only his wits and his aura, and being in excellent physical condition is a part of that. Thrawn wouldn't get fat.
@@NunyaBiznezz-y1p He is in a different galaxy. Maybe they only had food that made him fat. It’s not in his control. I didn’t mind the look. Just his plot decisions.
@@j.j.herrick6871 Only McDonald's on the turtle planet? 😆 Yeah, and maybe gravity was so intense he couldn't work out, or maybe since his troopers were all unalive he didn't give a damn about appearances or maintaining a commanding presence. Or maybe, Disney and Felony just don't know Thrawn and we're making up a bunch of bologna to cover for them.
It’s not just a lot of “ hacking away “ . Patterson completely changed the colour grading from the murky gray of the original to something much more vibrant and added over 100 new vfx shots
The Anakin world between worlds scenes make a lot more sense within the context of seeing the final scene of the show/movie immediately after. The lesson Anakin is teaching her is that she is not living because she cannot move away from her past with Anakin (and now Sabine), and for that she is as good as dead. In their final scenes together, Ahsoka explains to Sabine that they are where they’re supposed to be, and it’s up to them to keep on living. Despite the costly mistake that Sabine makes - unleashing Thrawn on the galaxy. Just like how Anakin unleashed the Empire. There are some bad things that happen in life, and you can’t just drown in self pity or sorrow, it’s your duty to keep on fighting. Ultimately, I think this edit makes this theme significantly more clear.
I've watched about 2/3 of this cut of Ahsoka, and it definitely improves the series. I think a lot of these Disney Plus Star Wars shows would make better movies, as it keeps the plot from meandering around. I loved that this edit made Ahsoka seem less like a jerk to Sabine, and Thrawn seems to be actually competent. I'm excited to finish watching it and will be returning to watch this over rewatching the original show any time I want to rewatch.
The part about the Ahsoka show that really bugs me is how they didn't hire a Ray Park acrobat type to play her. By that I mean someone who can really move, and capture Ahsoka's physicality. Maybe then I could've tolerated the arm folding a little more... I never rewatched it but I'll definitely check this out. Thanks!!!
You are right, such a missed opportunity, they could have had Ashley Eckstein do the voice work. The motion capture fight Ashoka and Maul have in the Clone wars finale demonstrated how awesome this could have been.
There is no Ahsoka show. Only the Ahsoka Movie : Kai Patterson Cut. He took so many of the critiques from the fans about the show and made such a huge improvement.
This one has lived up to my expectations, a great unique cinematic experience, my favorite movie. I hope Kai Patterson can do the same treatment with Ahsoka season 2 and make an exciting sequel.
I love the Patterson cut! I was very disappointed with the original show, but Patterson salvaged the show for me. He truly did an amazing job of making the most of the material available and minimizing several weird or plain dumb decisions of the original show (like cutting out Sabine getting run through with a lightsaber, surviving it, and being fine in day of two even). Also making the visuals brighter with better color depth made the show look so much better.
@@achaudhari101Getting stabbed with lightsaber, having your intestines boiled, and just walking it off the next day is not good enough reason to call BS? I've read EU for 12 years before Disney came to power, and not once I've seen such plot armor. Hell, even the Outlander from SWTOR (who was extremely powerful and skilled force user) was unconscious for 6 days after being impaled by Arcann's lightsaber. And he had one of the top three most powerful Sith Lords had to sustain his life force to prevent him from dying, and to heal his injuries. Sabine's plot armor is off the charts.
@@grzegorzflorek5623 Except she got medical help almost immediately. You know this is the same universe where someone can get all their limbs cut off, burned to a crisp, and still live. This is also the same franchise where Starkiller gets stabbed in the abdomen, crashed into glass and drifted into space, and still lived. SW has done this type of survivable damage before. Why is Sabine getting stabbed somehow unacceptable?
@@achaudhari101 Another attempt at gaslighting coming from you? Vader had space drone ready to catch him and sustain him. And yet he still was unconscious for SIX MONTHS while medical droids fixed his guts and other damages caused by the vacuum exposure. Starkiller was biggest Gary Sue of old EU, yet it still took him 180 times longer to recover than Sabine. And don't you even dare bringing up some BS about "medical advancements". Bacta isn't instant heal substance like it is presented in games. It takes hours to fix standard injuries, and it takes at least few weeks for more serious ones. Luke spent 12 hours in bacta tank after getting smacked by Wampa, and 16 hours sleeping after the tank. Bacta works very well and fast, but it has it limits. It some cases in can regrow fingers, mend broken and cracked bones, mend flesh and tissue, but it cannot regrow something that was completely destroyed. If something ripped out your lung or spleen, you don't need bacta, you need transplant. Or cybernetic replacement. If your intestines were burned to a crisp, there is next to nothing that bacta can do to help. Lightsabers almost immediately cauterize the wound, making it next to impossible to heal or regenerate everything except small lacerations. Vader took countless surgeries and bacta tank baths, and it still couldn't fix his lungs or scars, only reduce the pain and fix few small patches. And Sabine has only a slight burn mark on her belly. Sorry dude, but math simply doesn't checks out.
I will take a look, I do think this shows also that Dave isn't a good storyteller. He was involved with giving us the clone wars, but mostly for his animation skills and probably a bit for his creativity. But he only wrote like 2 episodes of the CW. The hole story was also overseen by George. Otherwise we would have gotten flying purple elafants and lot more witches already in the CW. He is probably a fantastic creative asset, but he needs a showrunner that can separate the good stuff out and throw the rest away. He has been the Head of the creative decisions since BoBF and it has been downwards since. Put someone above him to the decisions on what is a good idea to use.
I thought the Ahsoka series was ok. Rough start, but pretty good, right up until the last few episodes where it failed to resolve Sabine’s failure, suddenly made her super force sensitive, and Thrawn wasn’t as cool as he was in Rebels, a “kids cartoon.” I do hope the next season will be good. But oh my goodness, I can’t believe that some random people (skilled people) can make better quality products than a multi-billion dollar company. Not just with the Patterson cut, but so many (not all) fan made ideas and/or products seem so much better.
@@steveno7058 the show made it seem like Sabine had a choice. Ahsoka had talked to her previously about needing to do whatever it takes to prevent them from getting to Thrawn. Sabine hesitated, but she didn’t want to lose this last chance to save Ezra, even if it meant giving Morgan a way to Thrawn. Sabine explicitly doesn’t want to tell Ezra how she found him. Thrawn tells Sabine she put the galaxy in danger just to find Ezra. Ahsoka later tells her that it was okay. The show wanted us to feel like Sabine messed up. That’s what I meant by “failure.” I just wished that Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka talked more about it to each other and the difficulty Jedi have balancing their own needs and the needs of the entire galaxy. I’m fine with Sabine making mistakes but let’s not just brush them aside. Make them a part of her character growth. Make it matter, not just be a plot point to rush past.
It flows so much better. Highly recommend it and the cut of Kenobi. I also recommend Patterson’s breakdown of the changes, he actually did a lot of new VFX besides the big change.
Asokha is my favorite series (tv, streaming, etc…) of the 2020’s so far for me but I understand everyone has different tastes. I watched every episode 7 times (at least) and I look forward to watching this Fan Cut soon! Thanks for bringing attention to it Thor. How you and Naboo feel better soon
The 2-part Book of Boba Fett Patterson Cit is great, too. Merging the Mandalorian episodes with the Boba Fett episodes is almost flawless. It's a long watch, but I really, really liked it!
Five things I would’ve changed: 1) Explore Ahsoka’s history after Malachor/history with Sabine 2) Explore the inquisitor Marrok more/ more insight in Shin’s desire for power compared to Baylan’s destiny 3) Sabine’s affinity with the Force (if it’s needed/no lightsaber stab) 4) Thrawn not simply letting Sabine go just to let Baylan and Shin hunt her and (possibly?) find Ezra 5) Sneak into dathomiri fortress through underground tunnels where they fight undead troopers
Somehow Dave Filoni took his own favorite character, one known for her energy, her drive, her ethical center and made her boring, taciturn and just...lifeless. Focusing on Sabine was another bad choice, Sabine just wasn't and isn't that interesting, especially compared to Ahsoka.
You're right about Sabine. But I think Ahsoka's attitude reflected quite well for what we've seen her go through. She becomes enlightened after her experience with Anakin, and that results in her becoming more energetic.
Our one hope is that Filoni also made Ashoka completely unlikeable when first introduced in animation, oy to turn her into our favorite. Maybe he is doing the same with the live action.
The Acolyte opened my eyes to 'Filoni'. While Weinstein's personal assistant was in charge, HE signed off and supported it. That alone kicked him off the "Lucas's protege" pedastal in my mind. So no matter what happens with a fan edit, we will get a 2nd season from the same Lucasfilm crew that put the Star Wars stamp on that idiotic mess I refer to as the Acoshyte.
I think the issue is a lot of people have this misconception about Filoni's actual authority. His position is one of those superficial token corporate ones, a flashy name or title, with no real power behind it. He's a creative given a symbolic position of authority in the chain, but really it's still all KK. Filoni could 'sign off' or not, but any project KK wants gets the go ahead whether he likes it or not. He doesn't get to choose. Personally, I doubt he supported it. Filoni makes some choices I don't like, but he's not full-on regarded. Thing is, it doesn't matter, The Acolyte would have happened even if he'd said he didn't want it. He has no power.
Filoni is literally not in the credits of Acolyte anywhere. Kathleen Kennedy signed off on it without Filoni's input. He was busy with Ahsoka, TotE and Bad Batch.
People don't understand how much bureaucracy Filoni has to go through to get his ideas to work. KK's agendas cripple a lot of his stuff. He isn't a problem. The people holding him down are.
Besides stretching out thin stories, Disney is also on the conveyor belt trap, dripping out characters and plots to set up the next project. The Ahsoka series as it was would have been better off with the name: "Sabine"
This cut was 1000% better. My only complaint, was that characters like Shin and Sabine felt one dimensional. It's a small complaint, but what it shows is that you don't lose much by making this a movie instead of a series! Disney needs to take notes!
He made a BTS of how he made all the changes its long but the whole thing is great, new voices, swapping heads and just great editing. His decisions and explantation are so smart and spot on I truly wonder if Disney LF does produce quality content that is messed with by executive decisions. He is the type of person LF would have hired pre-Disney. Unfortunately his skills could not remove the terrible character of Sabine. Still terrible.
I think I needs to be taken into account a bit that a) it can be easier to improve something that's already there with a fresh pair of eyes and b) a movie edit follows different mechanics than a TV series. I think Lucasfilm has it's fair share of problems with the episodic structure of a weekly show and often fails to fill the additional time with meaningful things. On Ahsoka they went for a very slow pacing and some either unnecessary or uninteresting stuff, like the typical "countdown-to-one-second"-trope in the hospital scene that has been played plenty of times in entertainment history. Also each episode needs a climax of sorts which you have to land on. So you work towards it in a slightly different way, a movie might do over its entire runtime. I don't want to sound overly apologetic. Overall I was quite diasappointed by the series and the Patterson cut absolutely restored my enjoyment for the Ahsoka storyline. The movie cut really brings out the story, fixes the characters to a degree (by taking things out) and suddenly it feels as if there are at least some stakes! The movie version felt really nice to watch, it flowed great and the Star Wars atrmosphere was totally there, thanks to the the musical changes, more lightsabers and the clever opening crawl.
Best thing was that they tried hard with this other galaxy thing and then the planet was just the wasteland around my uncle’s farm. No alien vegetation, tech, laws of physics, …
@achaudhari101 True, but they had their chance and did nothing with it....wouldn't count on it "getting better" just because we know it has that potential. Heck it could have just been like Felucia and that would have been great. But I never felt like I was in some exotic distant galaxy from the GFFA. 🤷♂️
@@slimsuits3231 Rome wasn’t built in a day and same with this new Galaxy. We only know it’s different since it would kill someone if they tried to do it normally to reach it.
The weird thing is - if they explored and explained WTF was between Ahsoka and Sabine, they'd have more material to work with. Hell - there are so many ways this could be re-written that would be ever so much better than what we got, it isn't funny. The worst part was Filloni's "Force Dimension" that he's so in love with. Stop the Magical Mystery Tour and keep it real - you'd get such a better product that way.
Now that they are talking of releasing 1 Star Wars show per year, we could I imagine get Ahsoka season 2 to come in 2026 maybe the end, but if it’s gonna be 3 years only to get a rushed 8 ep stretched out movie, with more set up then why bother, I mean it’ll be 3 years next years between andor seasons but I know they’ll be substance in that season, same with stranger things seasons they have so much to them that it feels worth it waiting, unlike these mcu and Star Wars shows, and especially the future of Star Wars shows they need to write them as shows not stretched out films with hollow plots
So personally I wasn’t a fan of the show (and to be clear I don’t watch it fully), and my reasonings were not due to the pacing issue but more due to the creative decisions regarding the plot and the characters. My first issue was the relationship between Sabine and Ezra. Yeah I am one those people who ship those characters together, and I thought that their relationship could have been one of the few in the Star Wars that don’t end up in tragedy. My second issue was the knowing that Sabine’s entire family died because of the empire. I mean we get to know them a lot in the Rebels, and killing them off screen like that feels like a betrayal and disservice. And also Sabine being force sensitive also seems like a bit much. I mean not everyone needs to be force sensitive. Third is how Marok (or was it Marrok?). He had a cool armor and voice, and him dying in the middle of the season was another let down. Like this is the second time Ahsoka fights an inquisitor that has a cool and menacing look just to get defeated in a couple of seconds. Fourth is regarding Morgan’s death. Again, similar to Marok, she could have had a larger role too, but instead killed at the end of the season. Fifth, it might be a bit nitpicking, but I just did not liked how Ezra was able to escape but now Ashoka and Sabine ended up being stuck at that planet, though I feel like they might escape the planet early in season 2.
What I hated about the series was the Sabine handing over the map in exchange for finding Ezra at the cost of beginning a galactic war (killing billions of innocents in the worlds that the 1st Order destroys). Isn't the Jedi test about resisting and not giving in to temptation from the dark side? Additionally, Ahsoka becomes the white by falling into a mcguffin, while Gandalf becomes the white by sacrificing himself to save the fellowship. It is just a sign that Filoni does not understand the moral values of protagonists in good stories.
His own shows, off all places, yet he ended up twisting it, cause of people who shipped Ezra and Sabine. Yet, even that is up for debate, considering they were romantic innuendos in both Rebels and the Ahsoka series, making things even more confused. Yes this is building up a couple, though the problem is that his seeming attempts at concealing that only reinforce the notion or hint at that future relationship supposedly.
@@coletrain583 there a lot of creators in DLF who think just because audiences figure out their plot they want to go a different direction, like the whole Snoke situation
I think it would have been better if they had tried to show that Anakin's force ghost was the one stopping the Star Destroyer's blasts from hitting Ahsoka and co.
@theanonymouscritic1710 I mean, He's not wrong. - Sabine getting stabbed and shrugs off the next day. - Baylan Skoll "defeats" Ahsoka, only to be spared by the WBW a second time. - Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka galloping under a massive rain of cannon fire which they escaped completely unscathed. - Sabine get's shot by Bandits, yet the bolts bounced off. Yep, sounds alot like plot armor.
In any movie, there is probably about 30 min of extra footage that could mean anything to the story. Most of these series are adding in subplots and action scenes just to fill time. People think they want all the detail, but we really want the main story. I had no problem with Sabine not telling Ezra how she got there. If a woman doesn't want to tell you, don't ask. :) He was smart not to push her and it adds a little anticipation when they meet again. Not everything has to be resolved immediately.
He asks that the links not be publicly shared, so he can avoid getting shut down. If you search for "Kai Patterson Films Ahsoka" it should be the first result
So far the only thing I have to say, and I’m not sure how it could’ve happened, but I wish we could’ve been introduced to both Ahsoka and Hera, they just kinda show up. That and they took some of my boy choppers lines, how could they. But definitely far far better than the original show
The Patterson Cut, was absolutely fantastic, what I loved about it, was you did not need a back story to watch it, and it moved much more quickly, and really streamlined it and like Obi Wann made it way better.
My favorite parts of Ahsoka were easily the parts involving Baylan and Shin. Them looking for something of significant power in a different galaxy and the potential for what that could be was intriguing. The night sister stuff was cool, too. I think that could've lead somewhere exciting. I don't think they needed to include all the Rebels cast, but I enjoyed Ahsoka and think it made sense to include her in this story. It is such a shame Ray past away, he did a great job with his character.
It shouldn't get you hyped at all for Season 2, considering they aren't writing it and Filoni probably won't watch it to see how he fucked up in the first place
Ashoka show was meh for story and had many plot holes, but had some potential.Dark Jedi villan dude was the deepest character,should have been warlord. Thrawn wasn't scary/ not tactical and should have Chiss navy instead of Nightsisters. Sabine shouldn't have been Jedi high m force level.There was no Grysk. It would have been interesting for Thrawn and Ezra to work together againist the Grysk then only for Sabine and Ashoka remind Ezra "to come home from a war that wasn't his".
I know this is a hot take (so if you don't like Ahsoka series critique, no offense)... What bothered me was a contradictions in the shows message. She pays lip service to the fact that Ahsoka "didn't follow Jedi protocol" and the idea -- an idea that's not wrong -- that Jedi/previous generations were blind, restrictive, or corrupt, but doesn't commit. If they wanted a message of progress, but not throwing out the baby with the bath water, she should've said that. But metaphorical of how many people want to discard what was yet feeling secure standing on the shoulders of giants, she's *reliant* on ancient technology to learn or to achieve what she wants, rather than simply keeping the Treasure Planet map out of enemy hands and finding her own way. No one should switch between stances whenever it suits them. In fiction, that's confusing, in reality, its dishonest or even manipulative.
Hey Thor, out of all the Disney Star Wars series Ahsoka was the biggest rollercoaster of them all. There were some episodes I thought were great and some that were just not good. Some characters that were great and some that were pretty badly portrayed. There are some episodes that I have watched a bunch of times, and some I haven't rewatched.
The biggest problem with the show is that it has no stakes. We already know that whatever Thrawn plans with Imperial Remnant is doomed because First and Last Orders exist. Neither of those organizations seems like what Thrawn would want to be part of. New Republic will continue existing. Characters may die but nothing big can happen since they are not mentioned in media that happens after the show.
@@cypher10Sure they can, it all depends on what you show or tell. But since writers of Sequel Trilogy literally had no idea what even story of the movies was going to be, they made a very inconsistent canon. Thrawn is obviously very big threat and while we know almost nothing about the two Orders, we know that Thrawn would never take a part in such organizations.
Doesn't look like this is the right cut for me, but I hope to see more fan edit discussion here. I highly recommend Bobson Dugnutt's Revenge of the Sith: Expanded Edition. Restoring the political intrigue subplot actually made some parts that relied on it make *more* sense
I made a cut of this show that was even better. I cut out the first scene, the second scene, let me see...Oh, yes! I also cut the third and fourth scenes. Then I cut the fifth scene... I don't want to go into too much detail. I don't want to give away my process. But let's just say, the end result was the best possible version of this show.
I only watch recent series Obi, Bobba and now Ahsoka in fan edits. Have not much time, but want to stay in touch. And, yeah, it was maybe better to make a movies than a long-drawn-out series
I loved ahsoka series just like the Obi-wan-Kenobi but i have to say the movie versions with the original starwars music toke it up a notch.I loved it..
I’d always taken the “choose to live” stuff with Anakin was a clunky way of teaching the lesson “live by sword, die by the word”. As if being a weapon is not what the force and the universe needs her to be. Which is fine, except that’s not who her character was. She didn’t want to fight the clones at the end of the clone wars snd tried not to kill them. When we saw her encounter the Inquisitors in Rebels she demonstrates her mastery with the Force more than master with the blade it would make more sense if we had always seen her trying to solve every issue with a lightsaber. Aggressive negotiations, as Anakin would say. But she grew out of that behavior even during the clone wars. Unless the “live or die” choice was really just that on the nose. Where all Anakin was trying to do was get her to realize she didn’t want to die. But I doubt it.
Kinda the same thing with the Hobbit. If the stuff that wasn't great was taken out, it would be a lot better. I want to check this out at some point! Thanks for everything THOR! Sorry you had Covid!
I really liked Ahsoka. Definitely some weak points but i enjoyed it as a 7/10. I think if Dave directs with some people to advise him on things he doesnt know as much for live action directing then he would make something really good!
I think it was the Sabine barely able to use the force, then ooh she fetched the lightsaber or something like Luke did once in the ice cave, and then suddenly going from that to oh let me just launch Ezra a huge distance with no amount of effort/difficulty. Sure it looked cool, but Jedi usually train for years or decades to reach that point.
Hey Thor, do you think force healing should be a dark side force power. Wouldn't healing one who is about to become one with the force lead to attachment and thus a fear of loss? I thought episode 9 might play on this idea during the tease of Rey falling to the dark side. I also thought somewhere along the line we might have leaned that Palpatine and Vader learned to secret to saving others from dying and creating life which would have tied into Rey leaning force healing. But alas, not. Just curious on your thoughts.
My main issue with this show are the first 3 ep and the last two ,even if the end left in a higher note , ep 4,5 and 6 are absolutely amazing, Filloni screw up Sabine and Ezra both characters are totally different, and the first 3 ep completely wiped out the finale of Rebels , the best characters in the show were Bailon (R.I.P. Ray Stevenson ) , Shin , Anakin ( Hayden did it again ) and young Ashoka , also the music of Kevin Keiner , I hope that S2 will fix the issues and have a consistency on all episodes
Hey Thor, what's your take on the LEGO "side-verse" of StarWars? The new serie "Rebuild the Galaxy" is even amusing. I hope Naboo and you are on the "fast-betterment path". All the best for both of you!
I have the Patterson Cut of Kenobi. It's easily 80% better. I never watched a minute of Ahsoka, but I'd absolutely consider checking out this cut. ...but can Patterson "fix" Acolyte???
I liked the edit but there are a few tonal issues and some lacking context. I’d honestly still choose the show over the edit, but I’d happily take the colour grading, lightsabers and the temple fight scene over to the shows version.
I was excited when the show was advertised as a spiritual successor to the Heir to the Empire Thrawn Trilogy written by Timothy Zahn and was interested to see how they'd use Rebels as an intro to the books and replace the characters from the books with Rebels characters. I was disappointed when they used none of the original source material other than Thrawn existing.
I enjoyed Ahsoka, but, with gripes though. I am a very big fan of Clones Wars and most of Rebels; do you think Ahsoka would have been received a better reception if it was done in animation also?
Hey Thor, how do you think a live action Clone Wars with Hayden and Ewen would be received, and would Disney be able to do this without ruining it somehow? The animated show was great, and I'd love to see those two actors working together again. I saw this in a Forbes article titled: Disney, Just Do ‘Star Wars: The Clone Wars’ In Live Action With Ewan And Hayden. Personally, I'd love to see it. Thanks, MTFBWY
This guy did the exact same thing for Kenobi for me... He made a show that physically wanted to make me end myself and made it very watchable and dare I say it I enjoyed it. Defo gunna give this one a look cus Ahsoka as a base to go off was at least WAYYY better than Kenobi and he did sometnkng special with that..
Just watched it after seeing your video, because why not. It's really much much better than the series. And it just shows that the Disney+ series are written as movies, not tv. Thanks for recommending
I feel like the star destroyer almsot being completely operational was my least favourite. It should’ve been basically out of commission and barely able to go from place to place. All the weapons disabled and Thrawn has to use his superior intellect to stay on top. But with his star destroyer still being as powerful as it was it felt like well how didn’t he already find Ezra? Idk that’s just my takeb
The funny thing is that while I hated the series after it finished worse than Obiwan(as that was never a good idea except nostalgia bait). This series really just needed better pacing EITHER DIRECTION to make it better, longer show(fewer useless gauntlets like episode 7&8, with everything exploring and pushing forward characters) with characters like Sabine and Ezra actually exploring their relationship logically and finding out what happened between them good/bad or a deep cut like this.
Umm…Sabine was a completely different character with different motivations and seemed to have lost all her honor and integrity. And although I love Rosario Dawson as an actress, I think she was horribly miscast as Ahsoka. In fact Ashley should have been Ahsoka and would have done a far better job.
I've been saying the bones of the Ahsoka series were very very good, dare I say great. There was a good story and plot that made the bedrock of the show. The issue that it's a show. The pacing, and convoluted plot beats that drag out the quality core of the story because of the mandated week to week format for Disney Plus. A more concise, and streamlined movie would have been FAR superior. Luckily Patterson trimmed the fat from the show that bloated a would be great product to a mediocre product. I know I regurgitated a lot of Thor's points, but I feel compelled to defend this show because I love the characters and want good things for Filoni, and that he isn't always a victim of corporate will.
I hope we eventually get past the "maps leading to people" concept. This is Star Wars; people have many ways of moving around, so it makes no sense. Maybe tracking them through their comlinks would be better.
I said this a long time ago, about a series far far away... The future of Star Wars lies in the fans, and their interpretation of the lore. When ten years of productions by the biggest entertainment powerhouse in the planet can't get it right, save for a couple times, it's time to pass the torch. I'd rather sort through hours of fan-generated content, where maybe only 10% hits the mark, than be led to drink from a fountain of foul water called DSW, only to be chastised for somehow not appreciating it. Thanks for the heads up on this edit, and thanks to it's creator for having the courage, talent and time to sacrifice for something we all really want to enjoy.
Sabine and ahsoka splitting up is likely due to her absence in the mandalorian season 2 and the ahsoka show wasn't even in production yet. Some could argue they could have explained her absence better, make an excuse like sabine was following a different lead on ezra and thrawn.
I think Ahsoka and Mando S2/S3 take place at about the same time, if not in parallel. Morgan is defeated by Ahsoka in Mando S2 and arrested by the New Republic, then escapes in Ahsoka. Later in Mando (can't remember if it was S2 or S3), there's that scene while in hyperspace where Grogu is in the glass dome of Mando's N1 starfighter and he sees the silhouettes of the Purrgil. Although this was probably a "oh look, he can see Purrgill" thing for fans, I think it was more a case of these are the same Purrgil that Ahsoka is travelling to Peridia in. It's sort of one of those pay-off scenes like had been done so many times in the MCU.
While Ashoka was mediocre in the writing department it had more great moments than bad in comparison to the other Disney Star Wars shows. So to hear there is an edit that kept all the good parts is very interesting to me. I like the first season enough to want a second season but there was glaring problems such as how they portrayed thrawn and Sabines actions never being called out by Ezra or even Ashoka.
Hey man! Thanks so much for reviewing my cut of Ahsoka. Really appreciate all the kind things you had to say and I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Love your stuff! May the Force be with you 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thank you for all that you do for this community! :]
I'd love to watch it, but a 10 gig download is not reasonable. Thanks for your work though!
@@flatline8580 there’s a lite version on the page I think it’s like 4 gigs
@flatline8580 bro you really have to free some space if 10gig doesn't fit
cant someone just put it in premier and export it as a 2gb mp4 file?
Yo Thor, I hope you and Naboo are feeling better. Best wishes for a hyper-speedy recovery, and may the Force be with you, always.
I'm just glad that there is still enough fan interest for a motivated individual to make these things happen.
@@rogerpalsgrove9678 there is a lot of interest in Star Wars. But you have to focus on the familiar. Going back 100 years isn’t Star Wars.
Blows my mind how fans with no financial backing can create something far superior in a shorter period of time than a multi billion dollar company ... 🤦
It proves that the majority of a recipe for a successful creation is passion.
In this case it mostly proves the power of editing. As has been said before quite a few movies were saved (and some destroyed) in the editing room a long time after filming stopped.
I think it's more that corporate interests are always at odds with the creative ones. All the things that benefit them financially become shackles to overcome. Padded run times, cutting corners, over-reliance on nostalgia, high risk aversion, etc.
@@kaleiohulee6693Thank you for mentioning it as "over reliance" on nostalgia. I agree that there is a balance that can be struck with it. Heck, as an EU fan I know non-luke characters of quality can be made.
If the future of star wars is fans making better content than Disney I'm perfectly fine with that.
Are you serious? They literally just cut out scenes from someone else’s work
One thing that bothers me a lot and I don't see mentioned often is the amazingly boring design choices for this new galaxy. They go to a whole new galaxy for the first time ever in Star Wars, and it's just rocky wasteland with generic alien bandits and wanderers. Nothing cool or different or special about this galaxy. Thrawn and his troops apparently just sat around decorating their armor until they got rescued. They could have conquered the region, discovered new weapons, and actually been a threat when they come back. Wasted potential.
These are all assumptions you've made based off the tiny bit we've seen so far. There's clearly something Thrawn has been up to we just haven't seen it yet, and there's a lot more to the galaxy that we haven't seen yet either.
Fair point, they could've been the bosses of the planet at that point
@@tsardean9192 LOL
@@tsardean9192 probably a new death star
Thrawn is a very hard character to write because if you aren’t a brilliant military strategist and just a typical writer, most of your plot ideas come off as silly. I think they needed some consultants for the show.
I also hated how clean things looked. Sure the costumes have been nominated or won an award but they kinda drove me nuts. I do wonder if the whole thing had a film look vs a crisp digital look if that would have helped.
As far as the edit goes, I love that these exist and its great to see someone who is passionate about Star Wars doing great things.
I think they say writers are only able to write characters one or two levels smarter than themselves. They shouldn't have used Thrawn unless they could craft the entire plot around him and have him somehow win in the end.
Thrawn in Ahsoka takes L after L, mind you with the deck heavily stacked in his favor, then throws his hands up and declares victory anyway. He's a midwits concept of a good strategist.
Oh, and he was fat. Call me shallow if you like for caring, but that's not Thrawn, it's anti-Thrawn. He doesn't have the force or beskar or a neverending supply of battle droids, only his wits and his aura, and being in excellent physical condition is a part of that.
Thrawn wouldn't get fat.
@NunyaBiznezz-y1p I think Vurawn is the name you use. He is real Thrawn's imposter that fails every single moment.
@@NunyaBiznezz-y1p He is in a different galaxy. Maybe they only had food that made him fat. It’s not in his control.
I didn’t mind the look. Just his plot decisions.
@@j.j.herrick6871 Only McDonald's on the turtle planet? 😆
Yeah, and maybe gravity was so intense he couldn't work out, or maybe since his troopers were all unalive he didn't give a damn about appearances or maintaining a commanding presence.
Or maybe, Disney and Felony just don't know Thrawn and we're making up a bunch of bologna to cover for them.
It’s not just a lot of “ hacking away “ . Patterson completely changed the colour grading from the murky gray of the original to something much more vibrant and added over 100 new vfx shots
There are 115 VFX shots.
@@luisangelsolanong4227there’s always one
The Anakin world between worlds scenes make a lot more sense within the context of seeing the final scene of the show/movie immediately after. The lesson Anakin is teaching her is that she is not living because she cannot move away from her past with Anakin (and now Sabine), and for that she is as good as dead. In their final scenes together, Ahsoka explains to Sabine that they are where they’re supposed to be, and it’s up to them to keep on living. Despite the costly mistake that Sabine makes - unleashing Thrawn on the galaxy. Just like how Anakin unleashed the Empire. There are some bad things that happen in life, and you can’t just drown in self pity or sorrow, it’s your duty to keep on fighting. Ultimately, I think this edit makes this theme significantly more clear.
I've watched about 2/3 of this cut of Ahsoka, and it definitely improves the series. I think a lot of these Disney Plus Star Wars shows would make better movies, as it keeps the plot from meandering around. I loved that this edit made Ahsoka seem less like a jerk to Sabine, and Thrawn seems to be actually competent. I'm excited to finish watching it and will be returning to watch this over rewatching the original show any time I want to rewatch.
The “Patterson cuts” are always banger. He did so well with kenobi to. That show really really needed it
The part about the Ahsoka show that really bugs me is how they didn't hire a Ray Park acrobat type to play her. By that I mean someone who can really move, and capture Ahsoka's physicality. Maybe then I could've tolerated the arm folding a little more... I never rewatched it but I'll definitely check this out. Thanks!!!
You are right, such a missed opportunity, they could have had Ashley Eckstein do the voice work. The motion capture fight Ashoka and Maul have in the Clone wars finale demonstrated how awesome this could have been.
Finally! I thought I was going to be the only channel covering The Patterson Cut. It’s the Star Wars event of the year!
Slow year for Star Wars... 😆
There is no Ahsoka show. Only the Ahsoka Movie : Kai Patterson Cut.
He took so many of the critiques from the fans about the show and made such a huge improvement.
This one has lived up to my expectations, a great unique cinematic experience, my favorite movie. I hope Kai Patterson can do the same treatment with Ahsoka season 2 and make an exciting sequel.
Looking forward to seeing it this weekend. We recently finished our home movie theater with LED Projector and Sound Bar!
Sabine being or becoming a jedi is a domb idea.
Too true
If I wanted a Mandalorian turned Jedi, I would just stick with Mira from KOTOR ll The Sith Lord's.
@@dereklopez9060 Yep
I love the Patterson cut! I was very disappointed with the original show, but Patterson salvaged the show for me. He truly did an amazing job of making the most of the material available and minimizing several weird or plain dumb decisions of the original show (like cutting out Sabine getting run through with a lightsaber, surviving it, and being fine in day of two even). Also making the visuals brighter with better color depth made the show look so much better.
Show is overhated for some of the wrong reasons.
Where would one watch this version?
@@achaudhari101Getting stabbed with lightsaber, having your intestines boiled, and just walking it off the next day is not good enough reason to call BS? I've read EU for 12 years before Disney came to power, and not once I've seen such plot armor. Hell, even the Outlander from SWTOR (who was extremely powerful and skilled force user) was unconscious for 6 days after being impaled by Arcann's lightsaber. And he had one of the top three most powerful Sith Lords had to sustain his life force to prevent him from dying, and to heal his injuries. Sabine's plot armor is off the charts.
@@grzegorzflorek5623 Except she got medical help almost immediately. You know this is the same universe where someone can get all their limbs cut off, burned to a crisp, and still live. This is also the same franchise where Starkiller gets stabbed in the abdomen, crashed into glass and drifted into space, and still lived. SW has done this type of survivable damage before. Why is Sabine getting stabbed somehow unacceptable?
@@achaudhari101 Another attempt at gaslighting coming from you? Vader had space drone ready to catch him and sustain him. And yet he still was unconscious for SIX MONTHS while medical droids fixed his guts and other damages caused by the vacuum exposure. Starkiller was biggest Gary Sue of old EU, yet it still took him 180 times longer to recover than Sabine. And don't you even dare bringing up some BS about "medical advancements". Bacta isn't instant heal substance like it is presented in games. It takes hours to fix standard injuries, and it takes at least few weeks for more serious ones. Luke spent 12 hours in bacta tank after getting smacked by Wampa, and 16 hours sleeping after the tank. Bacta works very well and fast, but it has it limits. It some cases in can regrow fingers, mend broken and cracked bones, mend flesh and tissue, but it cannot regrow something that was completely destroyed. If something ripped out your lung or spleen, you don't need bacta, you need transplant. Or cybernetic replacement. If your intestines were burned to a crisp, there is next to nothing that bacta can do to help. Lightsabers almost immediately cauterize the wound, making it next to impossible to heal or regenerate everything except small lacerations. Vader took countless surgeries and bacta tank baths, and it still couldn't fix his lungs or scars, only reduce the pain and fix few small patches. And Sabine has only a slight burn mark on her belly. Sorry dude, but math simply doesn't checks out.
I will take a look, I do think this shows also that Dave isn't a good storyteller. He was involved with giving us the clone wars, but mostly for his animation skills and probably a bit for his creativity.
But he only wrote like 2 episodes of the CW. The hole story was also overseen by George. Otherwise we would have gotten flying purple elafants and lot more witches already in the CW. He is probably a fantastic creative asset, but he needs a showrunner that can separate the good stuff out and throw the rest away.
He has been the Head of the creative decisions since BoBF and it has been downwards since. Put someone above him to the decisions on what is a good idea to use.
I thought the Ahsoka series was ok. Rough start, but pretty good, right up until the last few episodes where it failed to resolve Sabine’s failure, suddenly made her super force sensitive, and Thrawn wasn’t as cool as he was in Rebels, a “kids cartoon.” I do hope the next season will be good.
But oh my goodness, I can’t believe that some random people (skilled people) can make better quality products than a multi-billion dollar company. Not just with the Patterson cut, but so many (not all) fan made ideas and/or products seem so much better.
Mr. Patterson did what Dave Filoni failed, making scenery consistent.
Sabines failure? How? You seriously think she had the ability to destroy the Star map with Baylan just a few feet away?
@@steveno7058 the show made it seem like Sabine had a choice. Ahsoka had talked to her previously about needing to do whatever it takes to prevent them from getting to Thrawn. Sabine hesitated, but she didn’t want to lose this last chance to save Ezra, even if it meant giving Morgan a way to Thrawn. Sabine explicitly doesn’t want to tell Ezra how she found him. Thrawn tells Sabine she put the galaxy in danger just to find Ezra. Ahsoka later tells her that it was okay. The show wanted us to feel like Sabine messed up. That’s what I meant by “failure.”
I just wished that Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka talked more about it to each other and the difficulty Jedi have balancing their own needs and the needs of the entire galaxy. I’m fine with Sabine making mistakes but let’s not just brush them aside. Make them a part of her character growth. Make it matter, not just be a plot point to rush past.
It flows so much better. Highly recommend it and the cut of Kenobi. I also recommend Patterson’s breakdown of the changes, he actually did a lot of new VFX besides the big change.
Finally a bigger channel talks about this masterful improvement! This movie cut is so close to a "lost" Star Wars movie on the big screen.
Asokha is my favorite series (tv, streaming, etc…) of the 2020’s so far for me but I understand everyone has different tastes.
I watched every episode 7 times (at least) and I look forward to watching this Fan Cut soon!
Thanks for bringing attention to it Thor.
How you and Naboo feel better soon
The 2-part Book of Boba Fett Patterson Cit is great, too. Merging the Mandalorian episodes with the Boba Fett episodes is almost flawless. It's a long watch, but I really, really liked it!
Five things I would’ve changed:
1) Explore Ahsoka’s history after Malachor/history with Sabine
2) Explore the inquisitor Marrok more/ more insight in Shin’s desire for power compared to Baylan’s destiny
3) Sabine’s affinity with the Force (if it’s needed/no lightsaber stab)
4) Thrawn not simply letting Sabine go just to let Baylan and Shin hunt her and (possibly?) find Ezra
5) Sneak into dathomiri fortress through underground tunnels where they fight undead troopers
For number 3, I think you mean affinity for the Force.
Somehow Dave Filoni took his own favorite character, one known for her energy, her drive, her ethical center and made her boring, taciturn and just...lifeless. Focusing on Sabine was another bad choice, Sabine just wasn't and isn't that interesting, especially compared to Ahsoka.
You're right about Sabine. But I think Ahsoka's attitude reflected quite well for what we've seen her go through. She becomes enlightened after her experience with Anakin, and that results in her becoming more energetic.
Our one hope is that Filoni also made Ashoka completely unlikeable when first introduced in animation, oy to turn her into our favorite. Maybe he is doing the same with the live action.
The Acolyte opened my eyes to 'Filoni'. While Weinstein's personal assistant was in charge, HE signed off and supported it. That alone kicked him off the "Lucas's protege" pedastal in my mind.
So no matter what happens with a fan edit, we will get a 2nd season from the same Lucasfilm crew that put the Star Wars stamp on that idiotic mess I refer to as the Acoshyte.
I think the issue is a lot of people have this misconception about Filoni's actual authority. His position is one of those superficial token corporate ones, a flashy name or title, with no real power behind it. He's a creative given a symbolic position of authority in the chain, but really it's still all KK. Filoni could 'sign off' or not, but any project KK wants gets the go ahead whether he likes it or not. He doesn't get to choose.
Personally, I doubt he supported it. Filoni makes some choices I don't like, but he's not full-on regarded. Thing is, it doesn't matter, The Acolyte would have happened even if he'd said he didn't want it. He has no power.
Filoni is literally not in the credits of Acolyte anywhere. Kathleen Kennedy signed off on it without Filoni's input. He was busy with Ahsoka, TotE and Bad Batch.
People don't understand how much bureaucracy Filoni has to go through to get his ideas to work. KK's agendas cripple a lot of his stuff. He isn't a problem. The people holding him down are.
I can definitely tell you that the Kenobi series is better as a movie. The Patterson cut did a good job showing that.
Besides stretching out thin stories, Disney is also on the conveyor belt trap, dripping out characters and plots to set up the next project.
The Ahsoka series as it was would have been better off with the name: "Sabine"
Hey Thor, definitely check out the Kenobi one as well.
Patterson does great work. I’m looking forward to checking this out. I appreciate fans who direct their passion to this kind of thing.
The 💀Zombie-Stormtroopers☠ couldn't decide if they SHAMBLED or if they were regular running Stormtroopers. Damn "Scrap-book" editing.
Original Death Troopers, infected with Blackwing virus were more hardcore
I was not aware of this, so thanks! I really love it when people edit unnaturally long series' down to movie length.
This cut was 1000% better. My only complaint, was that characters like Shin and Sabine felt one dimensional. It's a small complaint, but what it shows is that you don't lose much by making this a movie instead of a series! Disney needs to take notes!
He made a BTS of how he made all the changes its long but the whole thing is great, new voices, swapping heads and just great editing. His decisions and explantation are so smart and spot on I truly wonder if Disney LF does produce quality content that is messed with by executive decisions. He is the type of person LF would have hired pre-Disney. Unfortunately his skills could not remove the terrible character of Sabine. Still terrible.
What is BTS and LF?
Behind the Scenes and LucasFilm.
I think I needs to be taken into account a bit that a) it can be easier to improve something that's already there with a fresh pair of eyes and b) a movie edit follows different mechanics than a TV series. I think Lucasfilm has it's fair share of problems with the episodic structure of a weekly show and often fails to fill the additional time with meaningful things. On Ahsoka they went for a very slow pacing and some either unnecessary or uninteresting stuff, like the typical "countdown-to-one-second"-trope in the hospital scene that has been played plenty of times in entertainment history. Also each episode needs a climax of sorts which you have to land on. So you work towards it in a slightly different way, a movie might do over its entire runtime.
I don't want to sound overly apologetic. Overall I was quite diasappointed by the series and the Patterson cut absolutely restored my enjoyment for the Ahsoka storyline. The movie cut really brings out the story, fixes the characters to a degree (by taking things out) and suddenly it feels as if there are at least some stakes! The movie version felt really nice to watch, it flowed great and the Star Wars atrmosphere was totally there, thanks to the the musical changes, more lightsabers and the clever opening crawl.
Best thing was that they tried hard with this other galaxy thing and then the planet was just the wasteland around my uncle’s farm. No alien vegetation, tech, laws of physics, …
We only saw one planet. There’s so much room for potential eventually.
@achaudhari101 True, but they had their chance and did nothing with it....wouldn't count on it "getting better" just because we know it has that potential. Heck it could have just been like Felucia and that would have been great. But I never felt like I was in some exotic distant galaxy from the GFFA. 🤷♂️
@@slimsuits3231 Rome wasn’t built in a day and same with this new Galaxy. We only know it’s different since it would kill someone if they tried to do it normally to reach it.
The weird thing is - if they explored and explained WTF was between Ahsoka and Sabine, they'd have more material to work with. Hell - there are so many ways this could be re-written that would be ever so much better than what we got, it isn't funny.
The worst part was Filloni's "Force Dimension" that he's so in love with. Stop the Magical Mystery Tour and keep it real - you'd get such a better product that way.
Hey Thor, The Patterson cut of Kenobi is worth watching. I enjoy your videos and your commentary so please keep up the great work.
Now that they are talking of releasing 1 Star Wars show per year, we could I imagine get Ahsoka season 2 to come in 2026 maybe the end, but if it’s gonna be 3 years only to get a rushed 8 ep stretched out movie, with more set up then why bother, I mean it’ll be 3 years next years between andor seasons but I know they’ll be substance in that season, same with stranger things seasons they have so much to them that it feels worth it waiting, unlike these mcu and Star Wars shows, and especially the future of Star Wars shows they need to write them as shows not stretched out films with hollow plots
7:29 correction there was a brief darkside ashoka in clone wars so the potential was in her.
So personally I wasn’t a fan of the show (and to be clear I don’t watch it fully), and my reasonings were not due to the pacing issue but more due to the creative decisions regarding the plot and the characters.
My first issue was the relationship between Sabine and Ezra. Yeah I am one those people who ship those characters together, and I thought that their relationship could have been one of the few in the Star Wars that don’t end up in tragedy.
My second issue was the knowing that Sabine’s entire family died because of the empire. I mean we get to know them a lot in the Rebels, and killing them off screen like that feels like a betrayal and disservice. And also Sabine being force sensitive also seems like a bit much. I mean not everyone needs to be force sensitive.
Third is how Marok (or was it Marrok?). He had a cool armor and voice, and him dying in the middle of the season was another let down. Like this is the second time Ahsoka fights an inquisitor that has a cool and menacing look just to get defeated in a couple of seconds.
Fourth is regarding Morgan’s death. Again, similar to Marok, she could have had a larger role too, but instead killed at the end of the season.
Fifth, it might be a bit nitpicking, but I just did not liked how Ezra was able to escape but now Ashoka and Sabine ended up being stuck at that planet, though I feel like they might escape the planet early in season 2.
Half of those complaints sound like actual nitpicks.
Great review. Would love to see your takes on the other Patterson Cut movies.
Thor Skywalker, nice content bro
What I hated about the series was the Sabine handing over the map in exchange for finding Ezra at the cost of beginning a galactic war (killing billions of innocents in the worlds that the 1st Order destroys). Isn't the Jedi test about resisting and not giving in to temptation from the dark side? Additionally, Ahsoka becomes the white by falling into a mcguffin, while Gandalf becomes the white by sacrificing himself to save the fellowship. It is just a sign that Filoni does not understand the moral values of protagonists in good stories.
How can he suddenly not understand morals when there are so many morality plays in Clone Wars and Rebels
His own shows, off all places, yet he ended up twisting it, cause of people who shipped Ezra and Sabine. Yet, even that is up for debate, considering they were romantic innuendos in both Rebels and the Ahsoka series, making things even more confused. Yes this is building up a couple, though the problem is that his seeming attempts at concealing that only reinforce the notion or hint at that future relationship supposedly.
@@coletrain583 there a lot of creators in DLF who think just because audiences figure out their plot they want to go a different direction, like the whole Snoke situation
@@Hello-bi1pm And look how that turned out.
I can’t wait for season 2 of Ashoka by far my most anticipated project
I think it would have been better if they had tried to show that Anakin's force ghost was the one stopping the Star Destroyer's blasts from hitting Ahsoka and co.
Plot armor was almost main character in Ahsoka
That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
@@theanonymouscritic1710 Yet it's still true, imagine that
@theanonymouscritic1710 I mean, He's not wrong.
- Sabine getting stabbed and shrugs off the next day.
- Baylan Skoll "defeats" Ahsoka, only to be spared by the WBW a second time.
- Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka galloping under a massive rain of cannon fire which they escaped completely unscathed.
- Sabine get's shot by Bandits, yet the bolts bounced off.
Yep, sounds alot like plot armor.
@@Ihavethetouch I doubt it.
@@theanonymouscritic1710 Why doubt, you can easily check it out by yourself. I'll still be here
In any movie, there is probably about 30 min of extra footage that could mean anything to the story. Most of these series are adding in subplots and action scenes just to fill time. People think they want all the detail, but we really want the main story.
I had no problem with Sabine not telling Ezra how she got there. If a woman doesn't want to tell you, don't ask. :) He was smart not to push her and it adds a little anticipation when they meet again. Not everything has to be resolved immediately.
Could anyone link the Patterson cut to here, I can’t seem to find it
He asks that the links not be publicly shared, so he can avoid getting shut down.
If you search for "Kai Patterson Films Ahsoka" it should be the first result
I'm going to try Googling it - that's worked well for me in the past
So far the only thing I have to say, and I’m not sure how it could’ve happened, but I wish we could’ve been introduced to both Ahsoka and Hera, they just kinda show up. That and they took some of my boy choppers lines, how could they. But definitely far far better than the original show
The Patterson Cut, was absolutely fantastic, what I loved about it, was you did not need a back story to watch it, and it moved much more quickly, and really streamlined it and like Obi Wann made it way better.
My favorite parts of Ahsoka were easily the parts involving Baylan and Shin. Them looking for something of significant power in a different galaxy and the potential for what that could be was intriguing. The night sister stuff was cool, too. I think that could've lead somewhere exciting. I don't think they needed to include all the Rebels cast, but I enjoyed Ahsoka and think it made sense to include her in this story. It is such a shame Ray past away, he did a great job with his character.
It shouldn't get you hyped at all for Season 2, considering they aren't writing it and Filoni probably won't watch it to see how he fucked up in the first place
Ashoka show was meh for story and had many plot holes, but had some potential.Dark Jedi villan dude was the deepest character,should have been warlord. Thrawn wasn't scary/ not tactical and should have Chiss navy instead of Nightsisters. Sabine shouldn't have been Jedi high m force level.There was no Grysk. It would have been interesting for Thrawn and Ezra to work together againist the Grysk then only for Sabine and Ashoka remind Ezra "to come home from a war that wasn't his".
I know this is a hot take (so if you don't like Ahsoka series critique, no offense)...
What bothered me was a contradictions in the shows message. She pays lip service to the fact that Ahsoka "didn't follow Jedi protocol" and the idea -- an idea that's not wrong -- that Jedi/previous generations were blind, restrictive, or corrupt, but doesn't commit. If they wanted a message of progress, but not throwing out the baby with the bath water, she should've said that. But metaphorical of how many people want to discard what was yet feeling secure standing on the shoulders of giants, she's *reliant* on ancient technology to learn or to achieve what she wants, rather than simply keeping the Treasure Planet map out of enemy hands and finding her own way.
No one should switch between stances whenever it suits them. In fiction, that's confusing, in reality, its dishonest or even manipulative.
Hey Thor, out of all the Disney Star Wars series Ahsoka was the biggest rollercoaster of them all. There were some episodes I thought were great and some that were just not good. Some characters that were great and some that were pretty badly portrayed. There are some episodes that I have watched a bunch of times, and some I haven't rewatched.
The biggest problem with the show is that it has no stakes. We already know that whatever Thrawn plans with Imperial Remnant is doomed because First and Last Orders exist. Neither of those organizations seems like what Thrawn would want to be part of. New Republic will continue existing. Characters may die but nothing big can happen since they are not mentioned in media that happens after the show.
@@Ihavethetouch Then no prequel or origin story should ever be made given that logic.
@@cypher10Sure they can, it all depends on what you show or tell. But since writers of Sequel Trilogy literally had no idea what even story of the movies was going to be, they made a very inconsistent canon. Thrawn is obviously very big threat and while we know almost nothing about the two Orders, we know that Thrawn would never take a part in such organizations.
What they did to Thrawn was unforgivable
Doesn't look like this is the right cut for me, but I hope to see more fan edit discussion here. I highly recommend Bobson Dugnutt's Revenge of the Sith: Expanded Edition. Restoring the political intrigue subplot actually made some parts that relied on it make *more* sense
I made a cut of this show that was even better. I cut out the first scene, the second scene, let me see...Oh, yes! I also cut the third and fourth scenes. Then I cut the fifth scene...
I don't want to go into too much detail. I don't want to give away my process. But let's just say, the end result was the best possible version of this show.
I only watch recent series Obi, Bobba and now Ahsoka in fan edits. Have not much time, but want to stay in touch.
And, yeah, it was maybe better to make a movies than a long-drawn-out series
In full agreement with your takes of the subjects you covered. Thank you.
I loved ahsoka series just like the Obi-wan-Kenobi but i have to say the movie versions with the original starwars music toke it up a notch.I loved it..
This was a great improvement, similar to the obi wan cut
The main feeling I had toward the Ahsoka show when it came out was apathy. Felt pretty underwhelming especially as it went on
This reminds me of the Topher Grace cut of the Hobbit trilogy. Good stuff.
Love this. I am definitely giving this a watch. I really want super cuts of all the bad Star Wars shows so at least I have a version I don’t hate.
Cant wait for Acolyte cut :D
Do you believe it could be done?
I mean ... could edit make it good story?
I did find his Kenobi version, 'fallen from the corporate truck' - still waiting to find this one...
Well, know I have to find a way of downloading that!
I’d always taken the “choose to live” stuff with Anakin was a clunky way of teaching the lesson “live by sword, die by the word”. As if being a weapon is not what the force and the universe needs her to be.
Which is fine, except that’s not who her character was. She didn’t want to fight the clones at the end of the clone wars snd tried not to kill them. When we saw her encounter the Inquisitors in Rebels she demonstrates her mastery with the Force more than master with the blade it would make more sense if we had always seen her trying to solve every issue with a lightsaber. Aggressive negotiations, as Anakin would say. But she grew out of that behavior even during the clone wars.
Unless the “live or die” choice was really just that on the nose. Where all Anakin was trying to do was get her to realize she didn’t want to die. But I doubt it.
Kinda the same thing with the Hobbit. If the stuff that wasn't great was taken out, it would be a lot better. I want to check this out at some point! Thanks for everything THOR! Sorry you had Covid!
I really liked Ahsoka. Definitely some weak points but i enjoyed it as a 7/10. I think if Dave directs with some people to advise him on things he doesnt know as much for live action directing then he would make something really good!
I think it was the Sabine barely able to use the force, then ooh she fetched the lightsaber or something like Luke did once in the ice cave, and then suddenly going from that to oh let me just launch Ezra a huge distance with no amount of effort/difficulty. Sure it looked cool, but Jedi usually train for years or decades to reach that point.
Hey Thor, do you think force healing should be a dark side force power. Wouldn't healing one who is about to become one with the force lead to attachment and thus a fear of loss? I thought episode 9 might play on this idea during the tease of Rey falling to the dark side. I also thought somewhere along the line we might have leaned that Palpatine and Vader learned to secret to saving others from dying and creating life which would have tied into Rey leaning force healing. But alas, not. Just curious on your thoughts.
The Ken Patterson edit basically cuts all the 'fat' that was added to take the concept of "Ahsoka" from a feature film into a tv show.
Just watched it. Amazing! A must see!
You cannot polish a turd. I will give this a miss.
I watched the patterson cut of Obi Wan and yeah, the changes were good so i'll give a shot to Ahsoka
My main issue with this show are the first 3 ep and the last two ,even if the end left in a higher note , ep 4,5 and 6 are absolutely amazing, Filloni screw up Sabine and Ezra both characters are totally different, and the first 3 ep completely wiped out the finale of Rebels , the best characters in the show were Bailon (R.I.P. Ray Stevenson ) , Shin , Anakin ( Hayden did it again ) and young Ashoka , also the music of Kevin Keiner , I hope that S2 will fix the issues and have a consistency on all episodes
Hey Thor, what's your take on the LEGO "side-verse" of StarWars? The new serie "Rebuild the Galaxy" is even amusing. I hope Naboo and you are on the "fast-betterment path". All the best for both of you!
I have the Patterson Cut of Kenobi. It's easily 80% better. I never watched a minute of Ahsoka, but I'd absolutely consider checking out this cut.
...but can Patterson "fix" Acolyte???
i think he'll even draw a line at attempting that.
I liked the edit but there are a few tonal issues and some lacking context. I’d honestly still choose the show over the edit, but I’d happily take the colour grading, lightsabers and the temple fight scene over to the shows version.
The Patterson cut is a must watch for any star wars fan, its an absolute treat!
I was excited when the show was advertised as a spiritual successor to the Heir to the Empire Thrawn Trilogy written by Timothy Zahn and was interested to see how they'd use Rebels as an intro to the books and replace the characters from the books with Rebels characters. I was disappointed when they used none of the original source material other than Thrawn existing.
I like this cut. I wished they kept some of Enoch's parts and Sabine slowly growing stronger with the force.
I enjoyed Ahsoka, but, with gripes though. I am a very big fan of Clones Wars and most of Rebels; do you think Ahsoka would have been received a better reception if it was done in animation also?
Hey Thor, how do you think a live action Clone Wars with Hayden and Ewen would be received, and would Disney be able to do this without ruining it somehow? The animated show was great, and I'd love to see those two actors working together again.
I saw this in a Forbes article titled: Disney, Just Do ‘Star Wars: The Clone Wars’ In Live Action With Ewan And Hayden. Personally, I'd love to see it.
Thanks, MTFBWY
This guy did the exact same thing for Kenobi for me... He made a show that physically wanted to make me end myself and made it very watchable and dare I say it I enjoyed it.
Defo gunna give this one a look cus Ahsoka as a base to go off was at least WAYYY better than Kenobi and he did sometnkng special with that..
*hits bong* it gonna end in Ashoka The White, Heir to the Daughter, Vs Rey Palpatine, The"Son".
Just watched it after seeing your video, because why not. It's really much much better than the series. And it just shows that the Disney+ series are written as movies, not tv. Thanks for recommending
I feel like the star destroyer almsot being completely operational was my least favourite. It should’ve been basically out of commission and barely able to go from place to place. All the weapons disabled and Thrawn has to use his superior intellect to stay on top. But with his star destroyer still being as powerful as it was it felt like well how didn’t he already find Ezra? Idk that’s just my takeb
Oh cool. I really did like ahsoka. I just wished it was more streamlined. I'll definitely check it out
The funny thing is that while I hated the series after it finished worse than Obiwan(as that was never a good idea except nostalgia bait).
This series really just needed better pacing EITHER DIRECTION to make it better, longer show(fewer useless gauntlets like episode 7&8, with everything exploring and pushing forward characters) with characters like Sabine and Ezra actually exploring their relationship logically and finding out what happened between them good/bad or a deep cut like this.
The Patterson Cut of Kenobi saved the show for me, so I need to give his cut of Ahsoka a try as well!
I never bothered watching the show, despite having D+ at the time. Did watch the Patterson cut. Had fun, but ultimately I can't remember much from it.
Umm…Sabine was a completely different character with different motivations and seemed to have lost all her honor and integrity. And although I love Rosario Dawson as an actress, I think she was horribly miscast as Ahsoka. In fact Ashley should have been Ahsoka and would have done a far better job.
I've been saying the bones of the Ahsoka series were very very good, dare I say great. There was a good story and plot that made the bedrock of the show. The issue that it's a show. The pacing, and convoluted plot beats that drag out the quality core of the story because of the mandated week to week format for Disney Plus. A more concise, and streamlined movie would have been FAR superior. Luckily Patterson trimmed the fat from the show that bloated a would be great product to a mediocre product. I know I regurgitated a lot of Thor's points, but I feel compelled to defend this show because I love the characters and want good things for Filoni, and that he isn't always a victim of corporate will.
Glad you noticed.
Shows the purpose of the crawl really. Some things aren't meant to be shown.
I hope we eventually get past the "maps leading to people" concept. This is Star Wars; people have many ways of moving around, so it makes no sense. Maybe tracking them through their comlinks would be better.
I said this a long time ago, about a series far far away...
The future of Star Wars lies in the fans, and their interpretation of the lore. When ten years of productions by the biggest entertainment powerhouse in the planet can't get it right, save for a couple times, it's time to pass the torch.
I'd rather sort through hours of fan-generated content, where maybe only 10% hits the mark, than be led to drink from a fountain of foul water called DSW, only to be chastised for somehow not appreciating it.
Thanks for the heads up on this edit, and thanks to it's creator for having the courage, talent and time to sacrifice for something we all really want to enjoy.
No it doesnt
I always love a positive Thor Skywalker video!
Sabine and ahsoka splitting up is likely due to her absence in the mandalorian season 2 and the ahsoka show wasn't even in production yet.
Some could argue they could have explained her absence better, make an excuse like sabine was following a different lead on ezra and thrawn.
I think Ahsoka and Mando S2/S3 take place at about the same time, if not in parallel.
Morgan is defeated by Ahsoka in Mando S2 and arrested by the New Republic, then escapes in Ahsoka.
Later in Mando (can't remember if it was S2 or S3), there's that scene while in hyperspace where Grogu is in the glass dome of Mando's N1 starfighter and he sees the silhouettes of the Purrgil.
Although this was probably a "oh look, he can see Purrgill" thing for fans, I think it was more a case of these are the same Purrgil that Ahsoka is travelling to Peridia in. It's sort of one of those pay-off scenes like had been done so many times in the MCU.
@@darrenoleary5952 it could be.
While Ashoka was mediocre in the writing department it had more great moments than bad in comparison to the other Disney Star Wars shows. So to hear there is an edit that kept all the good parts is very interesting to me. I like the first season enough to want a second season but there was glaring problems such as how they portrayed thrawn and Sabines actions never being called out by Ezra or even Ashoka.