Hope nobody finds out about the monthly cheque I get from the International historians conspiracy to keep the historicity of Asterix and Obelix suppressed.....
i'd argue Goths are A tier. Killing your competition, sacking their office and then literally getting their job afterwards is the 2nd hardest Power Move i've ever heard of aside from the Indonesian-Double-Trouble-Mongol-Maneuver definitely A tier material imho
The mongols once sought to invade South East Asia (specifically the Malayan lands down south, and even more south towards Sumatera. Basically like how Taliban betrayed CIA after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan @@AnthonySmith-x5z
No the Goths were cowards " And Alaric was afraid that he would incur the anger of the Franks on account of Siagrius, seeing it is the fashion of the Goths to be terrified, and he surrendered him in chains to Clovis' envoys. " -Gregory of Tours
And the Romans sure were smart to make them their enemies by heavily taxing them until they had no choice but to fight them, and killing their women and children while they were serving under Stilicho, which made them sack Rome
@@eduardocarlosfilho2870 I believe he's referring to Voltaire and his famous quote: "The Holy Roman empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire" Which is a pretty sick burn.
@@greenjey2152 Yes, it's an acidic quote, but I think Voltaire was certainly correct. But there are others, speaking specifically of real Rome, not the Holy Roman, let me explain my 3 hypothesis: Voltaire: Criticism of the Church: Voltaire was a staunch critic of the Catholic Church, which played a crucial role in the downfall of the Roman Empire. His work "An Essay on Universal History, the Manners, and Spirit of Nations" offers a scathing analysis of the institution, holding it responsible for the moral and intellectual decline of the time. Montesquieu: Analysis of Decline: As mentioned, Montesquieu focused on studying Rome's decline in his work "Considerations on the Causes of the Greatness of the Romans and their Decline". He identifies various factors such as excessive territorial expansion, political corruption, and the erosion of civic values as contributing elements to the Empire's fall. Rousseau: Critique of Inequality: Rousseau, in his work "Discourse on the Origin and Basis of Inequality Among Men", criticizes the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of an elite, a notable characteristic of the late Roman Republic. He advocates for a more just and egalitarian social model, contrasting with the hierarchical structure of ancient Rome. And I have no idea which one it could be, maybe none haha enlighten my ignorance my friends! 🤣😂
Its ironic that the germanic tribes were one of their greatest rivals, but in the end they continued the Roman Empire with germanic and frankish noble houses...
And Heraclius and his subjects did not know who the Muslims were, despite having fought and lost to them. So that observation is relatively meaningless, especially considering that I seriously doubt either of us have a first hand understanding of what the Sassanians had to say.
One thing you forgot about when talking about the Hellenistic Kingdoms was Pyrrhus of Epirus, he was arguably one of the greatest threats to early rome and handed them several ( albeit costly ) defeats. Even Hannibal mentioned Pyrrhus as second only to Alexander. Edit: also Mithridates VI of Hellenistic pontus was one of Rome's most formidable enemies, managing to beat them 3 times. He was only killed because the local population got fed up with him and rebelled
Great call. Pyrrhus is arguably the 2nd closest conquerer of Rome that failed short, after Hannibal of course and albeit in a very very different point in Roman power.
Pyrrhus was the promised golden child that if anything had worked out differently or had he found himself in a slightly different circumstance, would have taken the legacy of one of the greatest leaders of all time.
@@mewmannamwem6087 Carthage got annihilated at the end of the Punic Wars, and Hannibal couldn't prevent its total destruction. Meanwhile, the wars between Rome and Persia lasted for centuries, showing a much more balanced and enduring rivalry
@@justinianthegreat1444 Amateurs? The Sassanids captured your Emperor Valerian and used him as a footstool. If anyone should shut up here, it’s you for underestimating the might of Persia!
@@BehrouzRZ the Romans killed your Sassanid Empire at Niniveh and they did worse with their emperors. Did the persians blind a Roman Emperor like the Romans did? No. Did the persians cause the fall of Constantinople at 1204? No. Romans are the worst enemies of Rome
Actually Dacia managed to stop the romans after they couldn't successfully siege their capital and fully lost 2 legions in the battle of Tapae earlier in the first war.The romans made peace only for Trajian later to gather one of the most impressive military force that the romans had all across the Empire and to march into Dacia to finish what they failed to during Domitian rule.They were no easy pushover like the Brits and deserve at least the D tier!
@@boog5812 parthian leadership was most likely descended of the Achaemenid Persian satraps stationed in those regions. Even after their fall all the houses still claimed Achaemenid Persian ancestry
@@Techtalk2030 The Parthians weren't Persians, they were, well, Parthians; an Iranian people certainly, but unrelated to the Achaemenids And the satraps probably did descend from the same noble houses that served the Achaemenid dynasty, but the Achaemenids themselves were extinct by then
@@boog5812 Parthian leadership was Persian descended of Achaemenid satraps. Achaemenid satraps were Persians sent to rule a region, hence their claim to the Achaemenids.
Feel like Iberian tribes should have gotten mention, they struggled in Iberia for decades and the gladius spawned as a result of conflict with the Iberian tribes
Allow me to quote Gregory of Tours to give you an insight to the character of the Goths "And Alaric was afraid that he would incur the anger of the Franks on account of Siagrius, seeing it is the fashion of the Goths to be terrified, and he surrendered him in chains to Clovis' envoys."
You'd be wrong. The Goths were simply another smelly wave of invaders that did implode the western portion eventually, but couldn't achieve anything in the east - especially after Zeno, then not yet emperor, slaughtered the Gothic imperial guards of Leo I, led by Ardaburius and Aspar at Leo's request.
The hispanic Celtics including lusitans, celtiberians and asturian and galacians tribes is an unforgiven omission. From 219 to 19 b.C lasted the conquist of Iberia (200 years) when other tribes here remembered like french (gauls) were conquered in 7 years 😂 or dacians (6 years) Hispania was the first battlefield for romans out of Italy and a constant knightmare.
7 years for the Gauls? They sacked Rome in 390 BC, Caesar didn’t discover the Gauls in 52 BC they had been fighting for centuries. Hell, homie, I respect the pride & passion but you sure do selectively measure history
They were the backbone of Hannibal's Army and (became the backbone of the Roman Army for centuries). (And the ones that buggered off to avoid the Romans went to Britain to become the baseline Scots and Irish and the backbone of the British Army.)
Your backstory of how you got into history is golden haha. It's like every kid has a fascination with dinosaurs which either sticks or gets transferred to something else.
Idk I wouldn't say Hannibal was j chilling he was in southern Italy trying to gain allies while waiting for the carthaginian elders to send him more troops which they never did
I think the fact that the Dacians went against the full might of the Roman Empire at their peak should be a point FOR them and their performance compared to others NOT AGAINST them. E tier is crazy
The Sassanids definitely deserved the S tier, they were truly the arch-enemy and often equal of the Romans I do wish you had included the Iberians, Huns and Samnites in the video, and had put the Hellenistic kingdoms a tier above due to Phyrrus of Epirus and Mithridates having given Rome some trouble, and the Lusitanians were only defeated by Rome when their leader was assassinated, so I think they should've been included here too Great video overall, 10 assassinated emperors out of 10
The hellenistic kingdoms issue I think was they had spent so long bickering with each other that they had grown complacent, and they couldn't shift rapidly, for a variety of reasons to present an armed force to match the deadly machine rome had perfected during the punic wars, they faced a rome that had just beaten Hannibal and Carthage, and that veteran war machine was ready to chew through the neglected stillted remains of Alexander's legacy
Missing a few contenders like the Etruscans, Epirus, Huns etc. but overall a pretty good list. Dacia is a bit too low considering they did win against Domitian, the Romans had to add armguards and beef up helmets to deal with their shock troops.
By Crom, where are the Cimmerians?! Between the time when the oceans drunk the Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Areus, there was an age undreamed of...
Dacians did not attack romans, romans were the one invading them and before trajan, domitian tried and he got beaten so badly he had to pays the dacians every year during 8 years a huge amount of money. So please review this part of history before expressing catastrophical opinions on it.
Also Trajian gathered more then a third of the roman army power with the most experienced soldiers in to fight them, for a small state Dacia was feared by the romans for a short time
I think the fact that the Dacians went against the full might of the Roman Empire at their peak should be a point FOR them and their performance compared to others NOT AGAINST them. E tier is crazy
What about the Judeans? The Jewish-Roman Wars was the bloodiest conflict for Rome during the Pax Romana. It was Rome's Vietnam which they won through brutal ethnic cleansing and renaming the land; They also get a story-line in that Sassanids conquer the Levant tangent you glossed over; fighting along side their sister ethnicity the Samaritans. Luckily the wars didn't lay the ground work for any contemporary conflicts.
You are almost right. It would be the Roman Vietnam if the Romans went back to Italy and never returned, or if the US completely took over Vietnam for a few centuries and dispersed the Vietnamese people all over the world. If you want Roman Vietnam, either Germania or Caledonia are far better analogues.
Hello, fellow dinosaur kid! Which was your favorite? Me, I'm a fan of any Hadrosaurs, but especially Parasaurolophuses. It definitely would have been cool to have the Battle of Teutoberg Forest portrayed like a horror movie, but I feel like it would have only made tonal sense if the whole series was from the Roman perspective. Granted, I wouldn’t have complained about the tone shift, but since it's from Arminius's POV, it makes sense from a character perspective that it was portrayed with a ton of slo-mo and dramatic weight. If you make more videos like this, I will watch them! I'm as into off-the-cuff history as I am long-form researched history 🤓
Never trust a kid that doesn't love dinosaurs! But I have to admit I fell for the Jurassic Park propaganda and was a basic Velociraptor fan. I did actually rewatch some of Barbarians after filming this and in hindsight, I was a little harsh. I think I was a victim of my own high expectations when I first watched it. (also I've been secretly planning my own Teutoberg film in my head for years now, and I was bitter somebody else did it differently to how I pictured)
0:44 :"I got this idea yesterday from a Reddit post" Me: Hey! That's me! (Yes i was the one who posted that, and i made that tier of individual enemies on my own, it wasn't that hard to make. BTW I'll watch your entire video as soon as possible!)
Awesome subject, really enjoyed it. Would love to see many more similar tier lists about geopolitics of the ancient world released more often, and I bet I'm not the only one.
On the Parthians. Julius Ceasar had planned a campaign to attack them but was stabbed to death shortly before going on that campaign. I assume he planned to bring field artillery, probably supplemented with more archers, to deal with the Parthian horse archers. In his Gaulish campaign Ceasar used Scorpio. Vegetius wrote each century had a Carroballista (portable scorpion). A ratio like this is a good foundation.
Taking into account that you have included the Britons, I think it would have been good to include the Iberian tribes, knowing that the Romans took more than 200 years to conquer the Iberian Peninsula and were one of the most complicated territories to subdue, with famous events such as the siege of Numancia or the War against Viriato, netherveless, great video!
Enjoyed that. My one suggestion would be a tier rating for Rome's earliest foes, the Italians. Etruscan, Samnites, Latins etc, also their southern neighbours in Magna Graecia, including the Greeks' allies and leaders from across the Adriatic.
I would say about the Germanic tribes is the fact that while yes Teutoburg forest was a Roman defeat, people do seem to forget Roman response to it where they inflicted multiple campaigns of revenge on the tribes and the pressure of the roman raids made the Germans turn on Arminius.
@@SHOULI Maybe you should read some. The Parthian empire was heavily hellenized for about half its lifespan, and even after the Iranian cultural revival traces of greek culture remained.
@@blortbugman8722 parthians are Iranian people, they speak Iranian language, they have Iranian religion, Hellenistic culture was because of Greeks not parthians
@@SHOULI Yes the Parthians were Iranian but the Parthian empire was multi ethnic and had been substantially hellenized by the greeks, and this included the Iranian population. It was quite a long time before Iranian culture underwent a revival and started to be the dominant force in the region.
@@blortbugman8722 so if they were Iranian nothing can change that, also Iranian population wasn't affected, because all people remained Zoroastrians and they were speaking Persian and another Iranian languages, only the royal court was affected with Hellenistic culture which was destroyed forever by the parthians
After watching every single video in your library, I gotta say this is my least favourite video but its the video that I found you with so its also my favourite. and I love a good tier list so.... Probably your most successful video? i don't know.... Do Egypt's Enemies tier list😁
@@remimk To be honest it’s a little weird that the video that took the least effort of any I’ve ever done became my most successful 😂 initially it was just a quick idea as something to give my patrons to prove I was still alive after not posting a video in several months but it’s nice to see it’s brought so many people to the channel
Counter argument to the Gauls placement: their tribes were enemies (and sometimes allies) of Rome since the beginning of the Roman Republic to its very end. They may have only once posed a threat to Rome in its earlier days, but that did not stop Gallic Mercenaries from being Present in the armies of several not their greatest enemies. I feel like they deserve one spot up for that alone, but I am highly biased towards them.
The dacians deserve a higher spot in the list. As you said, they fought the romans when they were strongest, but then fail to mention that the dacians actually won a war against them.
How do you leave out the Yehudi? They lived rent free in the heads of Rome for hundreds of years even after their destruction. They were so happy to beat them they built the Colosseum and Arch of Titus to commemorate the event. Not suggesting they gave them the same on field battle as germanics and what not. But as far as anxiety and thorn in the side.... the legend persists to this day!
They were more like a boring fly that got too arrogant and got final solutioned by Hadrian. Later some Khazars mass converted and their descendants are larping ever since
@@AnthonySmith-x5z Oh so you are an ignoramus rofl. Theres zero truth behind the Khazar myth, zero genetic evidence, zero actual historical evidence. And no, the Elhaik BS study is not legitimate and has been debunked by legit geneticists numerous times over. But keep pretending oh impotent one.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z 🤣🤣 thanks ignoramus rex but factually, none of that is true. Might as well be cite the fake Protocols of the elders of Tsion. The Khazar myth has been debunked numerous times over, as has Elhaiks fake, politically motivated study, which is not accepted by legit geneticists. Sorry, didn't know u were a eunuch.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z 🤣🤣 thanks homunculus rex but NONE of that is factual. The Kayzor myth has been readily debunked in every way, including Elhaiks 2 fake studies which are not accepted at all by legit scientists. Might as well bring up the fake protocols of the elders or harry potter.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z ROFL, the only one larping is u, pretending to have functional grey matter. There is zero truth behind the Kaytsar conspiracy theory, and the 2 fake studies found online have been readily debunked by legitimate scientists. Nice cope though. Stay impotent.
Fun video and I agree with most of your rankings. But you forgot or left out some of the weirder ones. Other commenters have noted the absence of the Samnites, Jews, and Huns, but what about Jugurtha? Pompey's pirates? Spartacus's Uprising? I also think Mithridates deserves his own section.
As my ancestors were Samenites I too am disappointed you did not cover them, I believe my ancient ancestors fought the Romans for over 400 years. I was born in England in Wolverhampton both my parents are from Montella AV, and there was an ancient Samenite stronghold nearby, the Samenites were also known as the Wolfmen and my local football team in Wolverhampton as well as in Avellino in Italy are known as the Wolves
the parthians were also iranians, im not sure why you consider them outsiders compared to the sassanids, they were just of a less numerous group of iranians than the persians
so the carthaginians fatal flaw was that they werent a terrorist organisation essentially lmao. well at least we know the romans did get a taste of their own medicine from a group of esoteric merchants...
6:12 I read the Vicious Vikings at John Mackenzie school in about 2008 when I was 9 or 10 years old. This was my first foray into non-fiction, and because of how much I liked "The Vicious Vikings", I went on to read "The Ruthless Romans" and "The Groovy Greeks", the latter of which introduced me to philosophy and basically changed my life by planting the seeds for my future tragectory
Hannibal is a great battle commander but he lacked in broad war strategy. Was crossing the alps into Italy really the best way to win the war? I don't think it was the best way, maybe he should have met Scipio instead of crossing the alps.
PT 2 you should include the Etruscans, Samnites, palmyrene empire, Huns, Avars, Rashidun Caliphate, Sultanate of Rum, the Ottomans, Numidians, Nubians, and Illyrians
Hey! First time watching your videos; it's the first time I've seen someone mention Serapis and wanted to chime in that I also love the Ptolemaic period - so muh so that i wrote my dissertation on it last year, if you're up to reading it I would be excited to send it over to you, it's only a 2:1 dissertation but has some solid sources in it should you feel inspired to do a Serapis video!
Yeah I'd love to read it! Send it across to historygeneric@gmail.com and I'll have a look. No promises on a Serapis video anytime soon as I've got a fairly long list of other video's planned first, but I hope to get to it (and Ptolemaic Egypt more generally) at some point in the future
As a history enthusiast and pseudointellectual I must disagree with the low ranking of Dacians. It was the battles against Dacians that forced Rome to change their standard armor.
42:02 OK... The Vandals have been done dirty there. Sure, if you put the three together, Alans and Suevi really drag them down (The Alans where swiftly crushed by the Visigoth, an essentially integrated with the Vandals, while the suevi resisted in North East Hispania, but were eventually subjugated by the visigothic kingdom). But still, the Vandals under Gaiseric were freaking instrumental in the Fall of Western Rome. Only for that they deserve B or even A Tier.
Would love to see the Eastern Empire next. Huns Sassanians Ostrogoths Visigoths Avars Rashiduns Umayyads Abbassid Bulgars Slavs Fatimids Seljuks Franks Germans (HRE) Venice, Genoese, Pisans The Palaiologoi Ottoman Turks That's a lot of adversary 😂
To my knowledge the Gothic culture survived in Siberia until quite late. I think the last Gothic cultures were snuffed out in the 1800s. That is some longevity.
i see what ya done there! on the tier list i saw the emblems used to represent the enemies TOTAL WAR~. a great game! Also, you should pitch your version of the teutoberg battle, the way you describe, it would be a GREAT movie! Liked and 'Scribed`
I think you should give more credit to Hannibals brothers for the Carthage section. He had a brother that successfully crossed the Alps, without the huge casualty rate XD.
My man is an Astèrix and Obèlix denier ..... Oof ... Unsubscribed , these ideas are just too dangerous
Glad at least someone else is sane and saw he crossed the line this time! Thank you
lol
Thats why he's not using sources. He's trying to ignore all the historical comics
Hope nobody finds out about the monthly cheque I get from the International historians conspiracy to keep the historicity of Asterix and Obelix suppressed.....
@@generichistory Caesar occupied government SMH.
We are all just a COG in the machine man.
i'd argue Goths are A tier. Killing your competition, sacking their office and then literally getting their job afterwards is the 2nd hardest Power Move i've ever heard of aside from the Indonesian-Double-Trouble-Mongol-Maneuver
definitely A tier material imho
Whats Indonesian maneuver?
The mongols once sought to invade South East Asia (specifically the Malayan lands down south, and even more south towards Sumatera. Basically like how Taliban betrayed CIA after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan @@AnthonySmith-x5z
No the Goths were cowards
" And Alaric was afraid that he would incur the anger of the Franks on account of Siagrius, seeing it is the fashion of the Goths to be terrified, and he surrendered him in chains to Clovis' envoys. " -Gregory of Tours
And the Romans sure were smart to make them their enemies by heavily taxing them until they had no choice but to fight them, and killing their women and children while they were serving under Stilicho, which made them sack Rome
Dawg you have to give us more about the Indonesian-Double-Trouble-Mongol-Maneuver
You forgot Rome's greatest enemy, the "18th century French lawyer, politician and enlightenment philosopher" .
Man, pardon my ignorance, can you explain for a dumb fella, please? (I have a vague notion of what it could be, but not sure if I am correct)
@@eduardocarlosfilho2870 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Considerations_on_the_Causes_of_the_Greatness_of_the_Romans_and_their_Decline
@@eduardocarlosfilho2870
I believe he's referring to Voltaire and his famous quote: "The Holy Roman empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire"
Which is a pretty sick burn.
@@greenjey2152 Yes, it's an acidic quote, but I think Voltaire was certainly correct. But there are others, speaking specifically of real Rome, not the Holy Roman, let me explain my 3 hypothesis:
Voltaire:
Criticism of the Church: Voltaire was a staunch critic of the Catholic Church, which played a crucial role in the downfall of the Roman Empire. His work "An Essay on Universal History, the Manners, and Spirit of Nations" offers a scathing analysis of the institution, holding it responsible for the moral and intellectual decline of the time.
Montesquieu:
Analysis of Decline: As mentioned, Montesquieu focused on studying Rome's decline in his work "Considerations on the Causes of the Greatness of the Romans and their Decline". He identifies various factors such as excessive territorial expansion, political corruption, and the erosion of civic values as contributing elements to the Empire's fall.
Rousseau:
Critique of Inequality: Rousseau, in his work "Discourse on the Origin and Basis of Inequality Among Men", criticizes the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of an elite, a notable characteristic of the late Roman Republic. He advocates for a more just and egalitarian social model, contrasting with the hierarchical structure of ancient Rome.
And I have no idea which one it could be, maybe none haha enlighten my ignorance my friends! 🤣😂
Voltaire criticized the holy roman empire which is a total polar opposite to the original Roman empire
Its ironic that the germanic tribes were one of their greatest rivals, but in the end they continued the Roman Empire with germanic and frankish noble houses...
the Sassanids did consider the Byzantines being the same Romans they had always been fighting
And Heraclius and his subjects did not know who the Muslims were, despite having fought and lost to them.
So that observation is relatively meaningless, especially considering that I seriously doubt either of us have a first hand understanding of what the Sassanians had to say.
Because byzantines did not exist, they were romans
One thing you forgot about when talking about the Hellenistic Kingdoms was Pyrrhus of Epirus, he was arguably one of the greatest threats to early rome and handed them several ( albeit costly ) defeats. Even Hannibal mentioned Pyrrhus as second only to Alexander.
Edit: also Mithridates VI of Hellenistic pontus was one of Rome's most formidable enemies, managing to beat them 3 times. He was only killed because the local population got fed up with him and rebelled
Great point.
Dude goes so hard, even a type of Victory was named after him. Pyrrhic Victory
Great call. Pyrrhus is arguably the 2nd closest conquerer of Rome that failed short, after Hannibal of course and albeit in a very very different point in Roman power.
Pyrrhus was the promised golden child that if anything had worked out differently or had he found himself in a slightly different circumstance, would have taken the legacy of one of the greatest leaders of all time.
Ooohhh...great call
Carthage fanboys: "We are Rome's greatest enemy!"
Sassanid Shahanshah: Bring in the Roman Emperor. I want to mount my horse.
Persians never even dreamed of reaching Italy like Hannibal did
@@mewmannamwem6087 Carthage got annihilated at the end of the Punic Wars, and Hannibal couldn't prevent its total destruction. Meanwhile, the wars between Rome and Persia lasted for centuries, showing a much more balanced and enduring rivalry
The Romans: shut up amateurs!
@@justinianthegreat1444 Amateurs? The Sassanids captured your Emperor Valerian and used him as a footstool. If anyone should shut up here, it’s you for underestimating the might of Persia!
@@BehrouzRZ the Romans killed your Sassanid Empire at Niniveh and they did worse with their emperors. Did the persians blind a Roman Emperor like the Romans did? No. Did the persians cause the fall of Constantinople at 1204? No. Romans are the worst enemies of Rome
Actually Dacia managed to stop the romans after they couldn't successfully siege their capital and fully lost 2 legions in the battle of Tapae earlier in the first war.The romans made peace only for Trajian later to gather one of the most impressive military force that the romans had all across the Empire and to march into Dacia to finish what they failed to during Domitian rule.They were no easy pushover like the Brits and deserve at least the D tier!
Blud stole if from Wikipidia so romanian
"britain to the Romans was a far away, cold, rainy, misty, island... much like it is nowadays" lmfao
S tier video for not neglecting the Persians
Yep, Parthians were also descended of the Persian Achaemenids and Cyrus directly according to them.
Well to be fair the Sassanids also say that, it's normal for large empires to claim descent from previous larger empire to earn legitimacy
@@boog5812 parthian leadership was most likely descended of the Achaemenid Persian satraps stationed in those regions. Even after their fall all the houses still claimed Achaemenid Persian ancestry
@@Techtalk2030 The Parthians weren't Persians, they were, well, Parthians; an Iranian people certainly, but unrelated to the Achaemenids
And the satraps probably did descend from the same noble houses that served the Achaemenid dynasty, but the Achaemenids themselves were extinct by then
@@boog5812 Parthian leadership was Persian descended of Achaemenid satraps. Achaemenid satraps were Persians sent to rule a region, hence their claim to the Achaemenids.
Feel like Iberian tribes should have gotten mention, they struggled in Iberia for decades and the gladius spawned as a result of conflict with the Iberian tribes
Viriatus was a headache for the romans
Illyrians too, went from enemies of Rome to main source of army and Emperors for the next 300 years, and not just any Emperors some of the greatest.
And only were subdued because they were "Romanized" by rebels like Sertorius. They kept on fighting into Octavius reign!
Romes greatest enemy was itself
As far as enemies of Rome go, I would say Goths S tier and Romans S tier
So a Germanic Tribe.
@@daswordofgork9823 Pretty much
Allow me to quote Gregory of Tours to give you an insight to the character of the Goths
"And Alaric was afraid that he would incur the anger of the Franks on account of Siagrius, seeing it is the fashion of the Goths to be terrified, and he surrendered him in chains to Clovis' envoys."
You'd be wrong. The Goths were simply another smelly wave of invaders that did implode the western portion eventually, but couldn't achieve anything in the east - especially after Zeno, then not yet emperor, slaughtered the Gothic imperial guards of Leo I, led by Ardaburius and Aspar at Leo's request.
Huns and Jews afk apparently
The barbarian hordes pushed down into Italy by Atilla were more of a threat then Atilla himself lol
Which was created by Atilla @@jamesschaller753
Huns A tier. Jews F tier.
Jews? An enemy of Rome? Hadrian would like a word...
@@jamesschaller753 Yea that's exactly why eastern Rome payed him massive tribute so he wouldn't mop the floor with them.
iranian here im proud of Sassanids and Parthians nice video thanks for teaching people our history
I think the Dacians deserve higher tier solely because they did actually win a war against the Romans during Domitian's rule
Are you lindybeiges son?
Made my day! 😂😂
Both are awesome btw!
@@94Ebbesand I agree
This tier list is more historically accurate than any of LindyBeige’s content
Lindy is a clown
They both rabt and yes
How did you forget the Huns? They were a huge existential threat and almost destroyed them
I actually cut the Huns segment of the video because I didn't think it was any good. they were A tier btw
Huns don't count because of cheat codes
@@generichistoryI watched the whole video waiting for the segment on the huns
@@Lipton3373 Same. Was very disappointed
Huns were so scary they are never spoken about in RUclips videos. They rode in, founded the Hungary, and nobody dared to make a peep...
The hispanic Celtics including lusitans, celtiberians and asturian and galacians tribes is an unforgiven omission. From 219 to 19 b.C lasted the conquist of Iberia (200 years) when other tribes here remembered like french (gauls) were conquered in 7 years 😂 or dacians (6 years) Hispania was the first battlefield for romans out of Italy and a constant knightmare.
7 years for the Gauls? They sacked Rome in 390 BC, Caesar didn’t discover the Gauls in 52 BC they had been fighting for centuries. Hell, homie, I respect the pride & passion but you sure do selectively measure history
They were the backbone of Hannibal's Army and (became the backbone of the Roman Army for centuries).
(And the ones that buggered off to avoid the Romans went to Britain to become the baseline Scots and Irish and the backbone of the British Army.)
Your backstory of how you got into history is golden haha. It's like every kid has a fascination with dinosaurs which either sticks or gets transferred to something else.
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Idk I wouldn't say Hannibal was j chilling he was in southern Italy trying to gain allies while waiting for the carthaginian elders to send him more troops which they never did
Exactly, he waited for reinforcements that didn't come
I think the fact that the Dacians went against the full might of the Roman Empire at their peak should be a point FOR them and their performance compared to others NOT AGAINST them. E tier is crazy
The Sassanids definitely deserved the S tier, they were truly the arch-enemy and often equal of the Romans
I do wish you had included the Iberians, Huns and Samnites in the video, and had put the Hellenistic kingdoms a tier above due to Phyrrus of Epirus and Mithridates having given Rome some trouble, and the Lusitanians were only defeated by Rome when their leader was assassinated, so I think they should've been included here too
Great video overall, 10 assassinated emperors out of 10
But the Dacians actually defeated the Roman empire. How are you going to overlook that?
You are hilarious! :D While still being super informative. Wonder how you don't have much more viewers. Keep it on and it will come!!
The hellenistic kingdoms issue I think was they had spent so long bickering with each other that they had grown complacent, and they couldn't shift rapidly, for a variety of reasons to present an armed force to match the deadly machine rome had perfected during the punic wars, they faced a rome that had just beaten Hannibal and Carthage, and that veteran war machine was ready to chew through the neglected stillted remains of Alexander's legacy
Missing a few contenders like the Etruscans, Epirus, Huns etc. but overall a pretty good list.
Dacia is a bit too low considering they did win against Domitian, the Romans had to add armguards and beef up helmets to deal with their shock troops.
Crazy impressive to speak this well on stuff completely off the top of your head, subbed
8:02 that’s also exactly how human relationships usually work too
By Crom, where are the Cimmerians?! Between the time when the oceans drunk the Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Areus, there was an age undreamed of...
You have nailed the Bronn from Game of Thrones look. Great videos!
2:39 you look and sound like Bronn from Game Of Thrones here
Vae Victis sounds so much more manacing than “Woe to the vanquished”
... mainly due to the Legacy of Kain series...
@@Kamamura2 What is that in proto Gaelic?
You Sir are brilliant 😂. Historical documentaries with multiple lol moments! Perfect 👍
Dacians did not attack romans, romans were the one invading them and before trajan, domitian tried and he got beaten so badly he had to pays the dacians every year during 8 years a huge amount of money. So please review this part of history before expressing catastrophical opinions on it.
Also Trajian gathered more then a third of the roman army power with the most experienced soldiers in to fight them, for a small state Dacia was feared by the romans for a short time
I think the fact that the Dacians went against the full might of the Roman Empire at their peak should be a point FOR them and their performance compared to others NOT AGAINST them. E tier is crazy
We can add that the dacian wars were the only recorded instance where the roman empire had to alter their armour to resist the Dacian falx
What about the Judeans? The Jewish-Roman Wars was the bloodiest conflict for Rome during the Pax Romana. It was Rome's Vietnam which they won through brutal ethnic cleansing and renaming the land; They also get a story-line in that Sassanids conquer the Levant tangent you glossed over; fighting along side their sister ethnicity the Samaritans. Luckily the wars didn't lay the ground work for any contemporary conflicts.
You are almost right. It would be the Roman Vietnam if the Romans went back to Italy and never returned, or if the US completely took over Vietnam for a few centuries and dispersed the Vietnamese people all over the world.
If you want Roman Vietnam, either Germania or Caledonia are far better analogues.
Highly underrated channel
I love your videos, thank you for making them! Really enjoyed this unscripted version although they are all great.
No Huns? Attila is mad
pyrrhus did well in 2 battles he won them, but lost the war
Germanic Tribes are S tier. Goths, Vandals, Franks were Germanic
Hello, fellow dinosaur kid! Which was your favorite? Me, I'm a fan of any Hadrosaurs, but especially Parasaurolophuses.
It definitely would have been cool to have the Battle of Teutoberg Forest portrayed like a horror movie, but I feel like it would have only made tonal sense if the whole series was from the Roman perspective. Granted, I wouldn’t have complained about the tone shift, but since it's from Arminius's POV, it makes sense from a character perspective that it was portrayed with a ton of slo-mo and dramatic weight.
If you make more videos like this, I will watch them! I'm as into off-the-cuff history as I am long-form researched history 🤓
Never trust a kid that doesn't love dinosaurs! But I have to admit I fell for the Jurassic Park propaganda and was a basic Velociraptor fan.
I did actually rewatch some of Barbarians after filming this and in hindsight, I was a little harsh. I think I was a victim of my own high expectations when I first watched it. (also I've been secretly planning my own Teutoberg film in my head for years now, and I was bitter somebody else did it differently to how I pictured)
@@generichistory Oi! I loved knights tyvm. It made me the chivalrous man I am. What did dinosaurs ever teach you 😝
Where are the samnites?
merged into the romans
It's AD and BC, by the way.
Do you write plus signs without the bottom line?
0:44 :"I got this idea yesterday from a Reddit post"
Me: Hey! That's me!
(Yes i was the one who posted that, and i made that tier of individual enemies on my own, it wasn't that hard to make. BTW I'll watch your entire video as soon as possible!)
Love your videos, your knowledge and personality is a joy to watch. I hope you get the attention and fame you deserve and make Many more videos
Hilarious, I was pretty much giggling all the way through. Good job!
Awesome subject, really enjoyed it. Would love to see many more similar tier lists about geopolitics of the ancient world released more often, and I bet I'm not the only one.
On the Parthians. Julius Ceasar had planned a campaign to attack them but was stabbed to death shortly before going on that campaign. I assume he planned to bring field artillery, probably supplemented with more archers, to deal with the Parthian horse archers.
In his Gaulish campaign Ceasar used Scorpio.
Vegetius wrote each century had a Carroballista (portable scorpion). A ratio like this is a good foundation.
Taking into account that you have included the Britons, I think it would have been good to include the Iberian tribes, knowing that the Romans took more than 200 years to conquer the Iberian Peninsula and were one of the most complicated territories to subdue, with famous events such as the siege of Numancia or the War against Viriato, netherveless, great video!
idk how youre only getting like 2k views on these videos, you deserve a mill
Enjoyed that.
My one suggestion would be a tier rating for Rome's earliest foes, the Italians. Etruscan, Samnites, Latins etc, also their southern neighbours in Magna Graecia, including the Greeks' allies and leaders from across the Adriatic.
I would say about the Germanic tribes is the fact that while yes Teutoburg forest was a Roman defeat, people do seem to forget Roman response to it where they inflicted multiple campaigns of revenge on the tribes and the pressure of the roman raids made the Germans turn on Arminius.
Brilliant video. You’ve earned yourself a new subscriber today!
I thought this was a rome total war video before clicking was confused for a bit😂. fun video!
Parthians were also a Hellenistic kingdom.
Also Mithridates should be a clear A tier.
Parthians are Iranian, for god sake read some history
@@SHOULI Maybe you should read some. The Parthian empire was heavily hellenized for about half its lifespan, and even after the Iranian cultural revival traces of greek culture remained.
@@blortbugman8722 parthians are Iranian people, they speak Iranian language, they have Iranian religion, Hellenistic culture was because of Greeks not parthians
@@SHOULI Yes the Parthians were Iranian but the Parthian empire was multi ethnic and had been substantially hellenized by the greeks, and this included the Iranian population. It was quite a long time before Iranian culture underwent a revival and started to be the dominant force in the region.
@@blortbugman8722 so if they were Iranian nothing can change that, also Iranian population wasn't affected, because all people remained Zoroastrians and they were speaking Persian and another Iranian languages, only the royal court was affected with Hellenistic culture which was destroyed forever by the parthians
Loved the video about mithradites and I hope you have one about scipio Africanus soon 😊
This was everything I expected of you. Enjoyed every minute. Thank you.
After watching every single video in your library, I gotta say this is my least favourite video but its the video that I found you with so its also my favourite. and I love a good tier list so.... Probably your most successful video? i don't know.... Do Egypt's Enemies tier list😁
@@remimk To be honest it’s a little weird that the video that took the least effort of any I’ve ever done became my most successful 😂 initially it was just a quick idea as something to give my patrons to prove I was still alive after not posting a video in several months but it’s nice to see it’s brought so many people to the channel
@@generichistory Hey, life be like that sometimes 😂
Counter argument to the Gauls placement: their tribes were enemies (and sometimes allies) of Rome since the beginning of the Roman Republic to its very end. They may have only once posed a threat to Rome in its earlier days, but that did not stop Gallic Mercenaries from being Present in the armies of several not their greatest enemies. I feel like they deserve one spot up for that alone, but I am highly biased towards them.
The Nirvana-Punic War comparison is perfect.
I liked this video quite a bit. You’ve earned yourself a subscriber. Thank you for the content.
The dacians deserve a higher spot in the list. As you said, they fought the romans when they were strongest, but then fail to mention that the dacians actually won a war against them.
first time seeing you, youre awesome. Im gonna devour all your history content
How do you leave out the Yehudi? They lived rent free in the heads of Rome for hundreds of years even after their destruction. They were so happy to beat them they built the Colosseum and Arch of Titus to commemorate the event. Not suggesting they gave them the same on field battle as germanics and what not. But as far as anxiety and thorn in the side.... the legend persists to this day!
They were more like a boring fly that got too arrogant and got final solutioned by Hadrian. Later some Khazars mass converted and their descendants are larping ever since
@@AnthonySmith-x5z Oh so you are an ignoramus rofl. Theres zero truth behind the Khazar myth, zero genetic evidence, zero actual historical evidence. And no, the Elhaik BS study is not legitimate and has been debunked by legit geneticists numerous times over. But keep pretending oh impotent one.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z 🤣🤣 thanks ignoramus rex but factually, none of that is true. Might as well be cite the fake Protocols of the elders of Tsion. The Khazar myth has been debunked numerous times over, as has Elhaiks fake, politically motivated study, which is not accepted by legit geneticists. Sorry, didn't know u were a eunuch.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z 🤣🤣 thanks homunculus rex but NONE of that is factual. The Kayzor myth has been readily debunked in every way, including Elhaiks 2 fake studies which are not accepted at all by legit scientists. Might as well bring up the fake protocols of the elders or harry potter.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z ROFL, the only one larping is u, pretending to have functional grey matter. There is zero truth behind the Kaytsar conspiracy theory, and the 2 fake studies found online have been readily debunked by legitimate scientists. Nice cope though. Stay impotent.
Fun video and I agree with most of your rankings. But you forgot or left out some of the weirder ones. Other commenters have noted the absence of the Samnites, Jews, and Huns, but what about Jugurtha? Pompey's pirates? Spartacus's Uprising? I also think Mithridates deserves his own section.
Just started the video. If the top top triple "S" slot isnt given to Rome itself, Im revoking your cheesieness license.
As my ancestors were Samenites I too am disappointed you did not cover them, I believe my ancient ancestors fought the Romans for over 400 years. I was born in England in Wolverhampton both my parents are from Montella AV, and there was an ancient Samenite stronghold nearby, the Samenites were also known as the Wolfmen and my local football team in Wolverhampton as well as in Avellino in Italy are known as the Wolves
Been watching all your stuff 👍. Pls make a video on the diadochi 🙏.
the parthians were also iranians, im not sure why you consider them outsiders compared to the sassanids, they were just of a less numerous group of iranians than the persians
Did i just find my new favourite youtube channel????????????
So the people of hispania, one of the grindiest conquests in Roman history don’t exist right?
Not to the Anglos. Always forgetting the coolest parts of Iberian history but reminding everyone of the bad ones...
@@ikad5229Based and Iberia pilled
so the carthaginians fatal flaw was that they werent a terrorist organisation essentially lmao. well at least we know the romans did get a taste of their own medicine from a group of esoteric merchants...
Dog soldiers is an S tier werewolf movie.
Awesome video! Like your speaking and knowledge a lot
this was the funniest shit i ever seen't thanks for making it i hope you make more of these
6:12 I read the Vicious Vikings at John Mackenzie school in about 2008 when I was 9 or 10 years old. This was my first foray into non-fiction, and because of how much I liked "The Vicious Vikings", I went on to read "The Ruthless Romans" and "The Groovy Greeks", the latter of which introduced me to philosophy and basically changed my life by planting the seeds for my future tragectory
I started on the Rotten Romans and I blame that for planting the seed that would turn into my eventual obsession with the Romans lol
Can do a essay on British empire plsss.
Hannibal is a great battle commander but he lacked in broad war strategy. Was crossing the alps into Italy really the best way to win the war? I don't think it was the best way, maybe he should have met Scipio instead of crossing the alps.
PT 2 you should include the Etruscans, Samnites, palmyrene empire, Huns, Avars, Rashidun Caliphate, Sultanate of Rum, the Ottomans, Numidians, Nubians, and Illyrians
What about the iberians?
Just found your channel with this video, will definitely be working my way through your backlog
Hey! First time watching your videos; it's the first time I've seen someone mention Serapis and wanted to chime in that I also love the Ptolemaic period - so muh so that i wrote my dissertation on it last year, if you're up to reading it I would be excited to send it over to you, it's only a 2:1 dissertation but has some solid sources in it should you feel inspired to do a Serapis video!
Yeah I'd love to read it! Send it across to historygeneric@gmail.com and I'll have a look. No promises on a Serapis video anytime soon as I've got a fairly long list of other video's planned first, but I hope to get to it (and Ptolemaic Egypt more generally) at some point in the future
As a history enthusiast and pseudointellectual I must disagree with the low ranking of Dacians. It was the battles against Dacians that forced Rome to change their standard armor.
Loved the end bit, it was perfect, sorry im British attitude
42:02 OK... The Vandals have been done dirty there. Sure, if you put the three together, Alans and Suevi really drag them down (The Alans where swiftly crushed by the Visigoth, an essentially integrated with the Vandals, while the suevi resisted in North East Hispania, but were eventually subjugated by the visigothic kingdom). But still, the Vandals under Gaiseric were freaking instrumental in the Fall of Western Rome. Only for that they deserve B or even A Tier.
Absolutely loved this informal line up of Rome’s enemies, such a great listen.
Would love to see the Eastern Empire next.
Huns
Sassanians
Ostrogoths
Visigoths
Avars
Rashiduns
Umayyads
Abbassid
Bulgars
Slavs
Fatimids
Seljuks
Franks
Germans (HRE)
Venice, Genoese, Pisans
The Palaiologoi
Ottoman Turks
That's a lot of adversary 😂
He didn't get the Eagles back from the Parthians, Agrippa did. That's quite fitting, if it's to encapsulate Augustus' military career.
To my knowledge the Gothic culture survived in Siberia until quite late. I think the last Gothic cultures were snuffed out in the 1800s.
That is some longevity.
i see what ya done there! on the tier list i saw the emblems used to represent the enemies TOTAL WAR~. a great game!
Also, you should pitch your version of the teutoberg battle, the way you describe, it would be a GREAT movie!
Liked and 'Scribed`
I was checking your channel for new videos 2 hours ago, and and hour later here you are 🙌
Yeah love it, keep doing fun vids like this as well
I love walking with dinosaurs, I was one of those too. Cheers
I think you should give more credit to Hannibals brothers for the Carthage section. He had a brother that successfully crossed the Alps, without the huge casualty rate XD.
the goths also settled crimea but i understand why you didnt mention it.
nice video man. the britons part isnt tagged on the video btw
Brilliant video idea