Let us know what you think of the new Harley-Davidson S. Are you planning to get one? What do you think of the styling? Will the performance measure up to your expectations?
extremely underwhelming on style power and price. 30hp less than the pan america at 120hp. im sure you can get a 10 k sportster add 5k horsepower kit and get around the same power .
@@red2432 we agree that the looks are not for everyone (even some of our guys are not in love with the new look), and that you might be able to get close to some of the new Sportster figures from a stock Sportster but they would be totally different beasts. The new Sportster S has 6 gears, is liquid cooled, and has ride modes just to name a few of the huge differences. The Sportster S is definitely not for everyone, but it is definitely more than a suped up stock Sportster. 🤙
Looks like HD has finally made a real effort instead of coming up with a different paint job every year. I wonder if opposition from Indian had anything to do with that? I’ve got a ‘91 1200 Sportster I’ve owned since near new, the new Sportster S looks like a vast improvement right up there with the latest V-twin sport bikes. If they made it more “sport” with more conventional wheels and maybe dual discs I’d be seriously looking at one.
@@Hugh_Jarsole That’s what I’m saying, it looks like it’s in direct opposition to the Indian FTR. Now the FTR has apparently got more sporty style wheels, if HD did the same I’d seriously look at the HD. Personally I like the looks except for the fat wheels.
I think it looks great as is...like a scaled down Fat Bob. A dual disk set up in the front would be more inspiring. The FTR is a cool bike as well and I have ridden one a few times...they are pretty quick. It will be interesting to see how the Sportster S stacks up.
Harley Davidson is going to lure more riders into the brand with these new innovative models. I am a die hard Triumph guy and own a 2020 Tiger 1200 XCX and a Thruxton R Cafe Racer with the Cafe fairing. As a compliment to it for more off road adventure riding, I just ordered the Pan America S in Grey and Black. Astounding bike! I NEVER thought I would ever buy a Harley Davidson! Now I'm a Harley guy!!!
Put the pipes where they supposed to go and put dual disks up front a performance bike needs to stop fast too. But its kind of xr ish and fat Bob v rod cross breed.
I'm glad they are changing things up a bit. But style wise, this new sporty would look right under the bum of a Star Treck Borg. Not many shots from the left side of the bike to emphasize my point.
Everybody complained about the old sportster. Then everybody complains when they say they are making a better sportster to replace the old one that everybody complained about. Makes literally no sense.
It's beautiful and the power specs put all three of my XR1200's to shame. Hoping they sell well and in that price range, they may very well be King of the Hill.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 Yes sir, will do. My niece still works at the York plant where all the Rev motor models now assembled and raves about the build quality. I think the XR's will stand the test of time. One of the most enjoyable and pleasant back road bombers i've ever owned.
My first bike was a nightster, then a dyna low rider, and now a pan am. I was surprised at how top heavy the nightster was once I got my dyna. If this bike handles well then I think it will be great.
I'm really not a American bike guy. This bike though I'm interested. Get rid of the forward controls and some of the excess plastics around the exhaust and I think I would ride it.
Based on the quality of this video, I did NOT expect it to have come from such a relatively small channel! Good stuff guys, keep it up! Stoked to see people getting theirs hands on these bikes soon!
Been riding Harleys since 1990, but bought an Indian FTR1200S earlier this year. The FTR is a great bike. Wondering if this bike will be enough to bring me back to Harley? I will likely take one for a spin when they reach my local dealership and see which one I like better.
HD comes with LED lights Finally !!!! You should be able to order the bike with Mid Controls and not have to pay $660.00 to add them .. also you have to purchase a passenger seat and passenger pegs .. and back rest..
Not a bad looking bike! It will be interesting to see what parts the customizers come up with. Those wrap around looking bumper rear taillights are a total eyesore and should be mounted under the rear of the seat. Would also prefer a smaller size front tire, however, I hear different models are still in the works too.
I NEVER wanted to own a Harley but ever since the came out with the newest Fat Bob, the the Pan American, and now the newest sportster! I am definitely interested! The liquid cooled and THE TORQUE is what does it for me! The only thing that stopped me from getting the Fat Bob was the price. I would like this newest sportster but the price is a bit more than what I want to pay for a bike.
Curious to see what the other models of this will look like. Hoping for smaller front wheel option on it and maybe a classic headlight. Besides that I am pretty stoked
@@karlhockenberry9130 I’m just curious to how soon after market parts will be available. Yes one could always custom fab stuff but not everybody can and I’m hoping this has a good amount of after market support
a 34-degree lean angle is so awesome! both sides too. I have an 01 FXDX and this bike might make me upgrade. I can't wait to see the test rides. 508lbs and that much power with such great suspension specs, it's looking like a real winner.
Very impressive new engine. Heard elsewhere Harley had closed their current Sportster factory.I’d definitely go for mids and that fairing off the Pan America . At 5’8 I think the ride height would suit me better.
Sportsters are still being produced in the US. The mid controls would make for an aggressive riding position...we like the way you're thinking about it. Thanks for tuning in.
I love the fact that Honda owns 33% of Showa suspension, makes the people who are HD brand loyalists a bit sad. Anyway, this is an interesting bike. Hope it does well, the Pan America is a nice bike with a great engine.
love the way it looks but I already bought a Harley once it's too expensive 1000 after you buy a bike to get the first oil change... Na I switched back to Honda
@@mbal4052 I've ridden (I think) four H-D's, and I didn't like any of them more than my Vulcan S. I was disappointed, not even taking into account the pricepoint. I can't justify paying "good car" money for a below average motorcycle.
wow ! as a Ktm superduke rider and a kawasaki super charger in my garage, i must say HD doing some great work! If i can compare it with triumph rocket 3 (new generation) this is thicks all the boxes. My god i cant believe i say this but i would actually test ride this harley and may be even buy it. I am assuming because the bike is low the centre gravity is quite good so i am assuming the bike handles quite good. Not too sure about single front brake and very small suspension travel but thats the part needs to be test ride. For my like i think the rear suspensions 2 inch travel is a little insane. Any potholes or bad roads you will get a smach on your ass, could potentialy hurt people with back problems, i am thinking the suspenision must be quite firm. Would have be a perfect bike if the suspension travel alittle more and double front brakes. But again it needs to ridden and find out.
I have not ridden my 2009 XR1200 much, (2792 miles, all stock), thinking about selling it, and NOW I SEE THIS!!! 70 years old, body doesn't fit ergonomics anymore, but this 1250S?
@@jmhellison gonna agree with @Phill here lmao 15k it's not gonna be 15k out the door and we all know that, even if it was its still expensive as hell. I'm in your 20 something age group and I could not afford to get that, majority of my friends couldn't either. My older brother who's 34 couldn't do it either and he has a better job. Well he could do it but it wouldn't be financially smart. Most people my age and friends are still living at home with their parents. Plus there are so many alternatives to this bike that are cheaper. A brand new Yamaha mt09 SP is 10k. Go pick a used one up for really cheap too. Idk how old you are but no one my age could just put down 5k. I'm gonna guess you're over 40 years old. I'm not trying to be an asshole or talk down to ya by the way my dude
Agreed. The Bronx is a good looking bike. I do like them using the revo motor in the sporty but the bikes in this video look like ass... The rendering of the sportster with the 1250 from about 2020 looked good. But this damn thing pretty ugly
Litterly just purchased a 2021 sportster 883. Back in march. The bike looks nice but the exhaust looks funky. Wonder what vance and hine will produce for this.
Nice bike except for that high level exhaust. Tank looks small and I hope that radiator has a guard. Look forward to a ride but will be keeping my 2001 Sportster 1200S. Where is it made?
It looks good and totally dash is nice. Still feel like it should be priced more around $13-14k. $15k is still high, not outrageous but just had higher hopes that Harley was listening to the people that WANT to buy their NEW BIKES.
Try getting one of these for less than $20,000 out the door and you will still have 2 inches of rear wheel suspension travel, single brake disc up front, heavy wheels, tiny seat, no rear seat or pegs, ugly plate holder, giant ugly exhaust
why did Harley put the exhaust right at the top? what if you have passenger behind ? tigh burns out? routing both down and pointing both exhausts up look more agressive
I’m itching for this thing. I recently sold my 18 sporty that had the 1275 kit on it. Now I have a Honda Monkey and a Kawasaki Z900RS Cafe in the stable. Got my name on the first white one to arrive in Central FloriDUH. I really tried to like the Milwaukee Eight but they just don’t speak to me. The new tech and cruise is huge for me and hopefully the Bluetooth will work well with my Ruroc Shockwave system. Thanks for the overview 🤘
maybe the second year of production and also when the aftermarket catches up with bags & windshields etc. great video by the way....dual discs would be nice.
Sacrilege, im sure they could do it but thats not what theyre about. Also they might lose some of their market because of even attempting that. Kinda like ducati making a slow cruiser bike🤷🏻♂️
Thinking my 48 is due for a trade in. I've always been in love with Night Rod Specials but I fit like a glove on the Sportster frame. This thing looks like the absolute perfect combination of both.
This is a improved v rod motor and has more in common with the v rod than the sportster not than thats a bad thing as for the difference between the Pan America and the Sportster S motors they are the same as comparing the 108 to the 114 M8.
Damn I love it. Rumors were that Harley was dropping the Sportster , damn glad they didn't I am a die hard Sportster fan . I own a 2000 1200 Custom and it is so damn reliable , Bulitproof. I can't wait for the 1250 T in the Sportster S. And a 6 speed , I love it. I want one already.
I wish they would have called it a different name, the actual traditional Sportster has been discontinued by Harley so why pretend this new high technology machine is actually a Sportster? It’s not a Sportster by any Stretch of the imagination! It’s a great piece of engineering that was designed from scratch with absolutely no resemblance to a Sportster model in any form! Looks fun to blast around on for sure!
Why wouldn't it be sportster? The first one was released in 1957 and there have been a couple of engine updates and other design updates. This bike gives a nod to the XLR1200 and 750. It looks great and hopefully it will challenge the Indian 1200 carbon.
@@deltabluesdavidraye No, not at all. Look at the 70's XR 750 Sportster or even the XR1200. Those were out 30 years before the Polaris/Indian. Indian copied the HD's from the 70's. The new sportster is a NOD to those bikes.
I was thinking the same thing, the VR1000, and most unfortunate Buell. HD always seems to get rid of their actual innovated stuff. And their great idea to buy then sell MV Augusta.
@@jasonfalkowski4010 I'm third generation H- D and retired from the company 3 years ago. You keyboard warriors have no idea what it takes to run motorcycle company. And neither did Erik Buell. And the VR was like the Nova project. Nothing more than an engineering exercise.
@@frankcastle5294 I’ll agree that Erik was a horrible business man, but he was a hell of an engineer and under stood racing. But HD did a horrible job promoting and marketing Buell, always hidden away in the corners of dealerships, Sketchy service, the red headed stepchild of hd.
How can HD sell a 15KUSD and over 500 LB 'performance' bike with a single disk at the front? I cannot think of one performance bike over 700CC with a single at the front. That is extremely weak.
There is no doubt Harley Davidson had to start producing Cadillac smooth motorcycles with no old schoolers & MC’s dictating their direction. It appears that HD has designed any and all flaws out of the revolution max to move them forward because the days of those hot air cooled engines are over. HD cannot go back to the old way of doing and building engines for their motorcycles after this, 1950’s/1960’ technology like the big primary chain rotating in oil, pushrods, rocker arms, pushrod lifters, and the loud shifting clunk. This revolution max engine has 150hp in the Pan American & 121hp in the Sportster to me means with a slight modification this engine of some type similar will be in touring models sooner than later. Full counter balancing and a liquid cooling is something v twins have been missing out on for decades not to forget single hole oil fill and oil drain.
Looks cool, finally a modern motor in a Harley... Should be pretty quick, but I have my doubts about the handling with that front tire and the lack of ground clearance... I really wish that they had built the Bronx. If they dumped a 150hp liquid cooled motor into a streetfighter chassis, Brembos and proper suspension... I would be at the Harley dealer in a heartbeat. They need to get with the times. Nostalgia only gets you so far. The under 30 crowd today doesn't know what Easy Rider was, or care. Boomers are hanging up their helmets and moving on from riding. if Harley doesn;t offer modern bikes that people want to buy, rather than countless variations of the same 4 bikes since the 70's, they are gonna be in for a rough time. Seeing bikes like this, is encouraging. The Pan American is weird looking, but its them stepping outside of the box, so I like it.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 They need to. I know a lot of folks like me that would never even consider a Harley, consider the Bronx. My riding career over the past 26 years, has had me owning 28 bikes. Some Japanese bikes, but a lot of Ducati, Triumph and Aprilia. I ride street and occasionally do track days... Some of my favorite bikes have been Monsters, Speed/Street Triples, a Streetfighter, Tuono, etc... Naked sportbikes with gobs of power, but precise handling, etc... I have always looked at Harley through the lens of "Great American history, but heavy, slow... yesterday's technology at tomorrow's premium prices". They have always been a lifestyle brand to me. You don't buy a Harley because you want the best ride, performance or value. You buy a Harley because you WANT A HARLEY. You are buying into the lifestyle... You buy the bike, you buy the uniform dark jeans, orange shirt, wallet chain and bandana... haha But seeing bikes like this and the Pan America, and maybe one day, the Bronx... That will bring folks like me in the door. A true modern sportbike with American lineage and style, and a really strong dealer network... The problem that Harley faces, is that they are too afraid to piss off their aging fan base. Look at how the VRod, or the XR1200 was received... two of the best bikes they ever made, and they flopped because "This isn't what we are used to!"... Ducati had the same hurdle when they ditched the dry clutch, and trellis frame from their superbikes. The wailing from the fans was deafening. And yet, the frameless Panigale took the world by storm, and in 2017 it was the best selling superbike in the world for the first time in their history. They beat Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki. One of every 4 superbikes sold that year, was a Ducati. So sometimes, risking pissing off your fanboys, really pays off. Harley needs to take charge and be bold here.
Lotta good info in here and lotta repetition. "Not the same as the Pan Am 1250" "I had experience with this 1250 in the Pan Am and really liked for {great listed reasons}" then again "Not the same as the Pan Am 1250." So which is it? Same or not same? Similar block, timing and control methods with different tuning, maybe? Give us some credit for ability to hear when you're trying to please two different mind-sets with varying hype.
I'm sure it will be great and I'll learn to love it. But first impression it looks just like an Indian scout. Them fat front need to go. I like sporsters to look like sporsters. No passenger option? I will be interested in seeing different models of the s
@@JD97711 define that, coz fat front tyre is not easy to flick left right. Is good handling means more speed in highway speed curve or more easy to flick around in mountain roads?
Growing up in Daytona and watching the motorcycle races every Bike Week for more than 5 decades I will finally own a bike that looks like it just came off the racetrack. I have always loved the looks of the race bikes Harley has brought.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 Yea, forward controls put ALL your weight on your butt and your arms always have to pull you into the wind, plus I feel more in control with mids and you can stand up when you see a pothole you can's avoid.
Love the bike, IMO it's priced out to lunch. This is supposed to replace the current entry point to Harley Davidson at 15 grand?! .... Super deflated when I learned the price
Why does Harley keep focusing on less hp for the Sportster? Why change the motor internals different from Pan America to have less performance? The Sportster has always been a beautiful underpowered bike. Why would a sportbike guy like myself that has an interest in Harleys spend money on an underpowered bike and then dump another several grand in stage kits and still not match the power of a stock sportbike? I pose those questions as a potential buyer frustrated with Harleys way of thinking.
I wanted to buy one but won’t now that it has 30 hp less than the dirt bike rev max. Makes no sense. Now I will wait a year for S&S & zippers to make cams & heads. When I can get 180 to 200 hp out of it I’ll buy it 👍
As a Harley owner I feel they missed the mark. Harley's issue is selling to a younger crowd and this bike wont help as much as you think, specially at that price point. Your main competition makes similar bikes and then they make the FTR which is more of a Sport bike then a bike called Sportster. I was just at a bike rally last weekend and Indian brought a few bikes and I was amazed at how many Harley owners are seriously looking at changing.
We've already taken deposits and they're from the younger crowd. We're anxious to do our own comparison with the FTR. Indian is down significantly in market share in our area. Stay tuned for a comparison
They will be offering a passenger Pillion seat and back rest for the bike when it releases. It will be super exciting to see what else they do with this platform!
Finally Harley made a scout competitor. However, if your a bit larger the forward controls and the lean over the tank sucks. Great bike ruined by ergonomics.
Let us know what you think of the new Harley-Davidson S. Are you planning to get one? What do you think of the styling? Will the performance measure up to your expectations?
extremely underwhelming on style power and price. 30hp less than the pan america at 120hp. im sure you can get a 10 k sportster add 5k horsepower kit and get around the same power .
I like it! To small for me, but liking the pan America! Also looking forward to see what other models they are putting this motor in.
@@jessecaldwell9780 It will be exciting to see what else they do with the Sportster family for sure!
I like it and really would love to pull the trigger on it but I need something with a little more range than a 3.1 gallon tank.
@@red2432 we agree that the looks are not for everyone (even some of our guys are not in love with the new look), and that you might be able to get close to some of the new Sportster figures from a stock Sportster but they would be totally different beasts. The new Sportster S has 6 gears, is liquid cooled, and has ride modes just to name a few of the huge differences. The Sportster S is definitely not for everyone, but it is definitely more than a suped up stock Sportster. 🤙
I was all set on the Indian Scout Bobber, but wait a minute.
Looks like HD has finally made a real effort instead of coming up with a different paint job every year. I wonder if opposition from Indian had anything to do with that? I’ve got a ‘91 1200 Sportster I’ve owned since near new, the new Sportster S looks like a vast improvement right up there with the latest V-twin sport bikes. If they made it more “sport” with more conventional wheels and maybe dual discs I’d be seriously looking at one.
Take a look at an Indian scout bobber and then decide lol it looks pretty close
@@Hugh_Jarsole That’s what I’m saying, it looks like it’s in direct opposition to the Indian FTR. Now the FTR has apparently got more sporty style wheels, if HD did the same I’d seriously look at the HD. Personally I like the looks except for the fat wheels.
Of course Indian raised the bar.Competition is great for us consumers.We win !
I think it looks great as is...like a scaled down Fat Bob. A dual disk set up in the front would be more inspiring. The FTR is a cool bike as well and I have ridden one a few times...they are pretty quick. It will be interesting to see how the Sportster S stacks up.
Harley Davidson is going to lure more riders into the brand with these new innovative models. I am a die hard Triumph guy and own a 2020 Tiger 1200 XCX and a Thruxton R Cafe Racer with the Cafe fairing. As a compliment to it for more off road adventure riding, I just ordered the Pan America S in Grey and Black. Astounding bike! I NEVER thought I would ever buy a Harley Davidson! Now I'm a Harley guy!!!
Thanks for tuning in. Congrats on the Pan America...great motorcycle!
Welcome to HD mate.
God owns a Harley, but rides a Triumph
Commiserations on becoming a Harley guy, let us know where to send the sympathy flower bouquet. xD
@@_Meriwether Your address because you don't have one!!! LOL!🤣😂😆👋
Take this engine, all the electronic goodies, cruise, dual disk fronts, a 4 gallon tank and make essentially a softail cruiser model.
Put the pipes where they supposed to go and put dual disks up front a performance bike needs to stop fast too. But its kind of xr ish and fat Bob v rod cross breed.
It only weighs 500pounds brakes are fine
@@denniscoughlin7437 sure, they're "fine" but if they're advertising this as a sporty cruiser it needs dual discs.
I'm glad they are changing things up a bit. But style wise, this new sporty would look right under the bum of a Star Treck Borg.
Not many shots from the left side of the bike to emphasize my point.
Nice Harley scout
Everybody complained about the old sportster. Then everybody complains when they say they are making a better sportster to replace the old one that everybody complained about. Makes literally no sense.
That happens all the time lol, I like that they do that.
'No rice burner will pass my Harley "! sorry buddy now a Harley will pass your Harley.
Probably the same person that don't buy or support Harley-Davidson lmao
Finally ticking the box of different rider.I am NO brand loyalist by any means.Have big interest as second bike.Great job Harley
It's beautiful and the power specs put all three of my XR1200's to shame. Hoping they sell well and in that price range, they may very well be King of the Hill.
Love the XR1200s! Let us know what you think of the Sportster S in comparison once you get a chance to ride it.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 Yes sir, will do. My niece still works at the York plant where all the Rev motor models now assembled and raves about the build quality. I think the XR's will stand the test of time. One of the most enjoyable and pleasant back road bombers i've ever owned.
Pity it's so expensive in Australia. AUD $26,435. Get a Fat Bob with much better suspension travel which you really need on some of our roads.
My first bike was a nightster, then a dyna low rider, and now a pan am. I was surprised at how top heavy the nightster was once I got my dyna. If this bike handles well then I think it will be great.
We're excited to try it out!
I'm really not a American bike guy. This bike though I'm interested. Get rid of the forward controls and some of the excess plastics around the exhaust and I think I would ride it.
The Sportster S is the best Harley Davidson that Harley Davidson has made I would seriously consider buying it.
We love the new Sportster S too! Once you put that thing in sport mode 🏍💨 phew better have a good hold on those handlebars because this thing goes!!🔥
Based on the quality of this video, I did NOT expect it to have come from such a relatively small channel! Good stuff guys, keep it up! Stoked to see people getting theirs hands on these bikes soon!
Much appreciated!
Been riding Harleys since 1990, but bought an Indian FTR1200S earlier this year. The FTR is a great bike. Wondering if this bike will be enough to bring me back to Harley? I will likely take one for a spin when they reach my local dealership and see which one I like better.
Let's us know what you think once you've been able to compare the two.
Yeah im very curious about the comparison with the FTR...
Please let us know 🙏
Looks like a good copy of Indain bobber scout.
Its the challenger to Indian's new chief
HD comes with LED lights Finally !!!! You should be able to order the bike with Mid Controls and not have to pay $660.00 to add them .. also you have to purchase a passenger seat and passenger pegs .. and back rest..
Not a bad looking bike! It will be interesting to see what parts the customizers come up with. Those wrap around looking bumper rear
taillights are a total eyesore and should be mounted under the rear of the seat. Would also prefer a smaller size front tire, however, I hear
different models are still in the works too.
Looks like harley is finally getting its act together, this semlems like a great competetor to the indian scout
We hope to be able to do a comparison. Based on the initial spec sheets we have, we expect the Sportster S to outperform the Indian.
I NEVER wanted to own a Harley but ever since the came out with the newest Fat Bob, the the Pan American, and now the newest sportster! I am definitely interested! The liquid cooled and THE TORQUE is what does it for me! The only thing that stopped me from getting the Fat Bob was the price. I would like this newest sportster but the price is a bit more than what I want to pay for a bike.
Curious to see what the other models of this will look like. Hoping for smaller front wheel option on it and maybe a classic headlight. Besides that I am pretty stoked
That's what customization is for. Make it your own.
@@karlhockenberry9130 I’m just curious to how soon after market parts will be available. Yes one could always custom fab stuff but not everybody can and I’m hoping this has a good amount of after market support
Yeah I agree I didn't mean it like it sounded bro my bad. Yeah after market will make a killing on this.
a 34-degree lean angle is so awesome! both sides too. I have an 01 FXDX and this bike might make me upgrade. I can't wait to see the test rides. 508lbs and that much power with such great suspension specs, it's looking like a real winner.
Totally agree!
Of course you do.@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690
A suzuki gsxr750 has a turn angle of 50plus degrees also has 150hp and weighs 420 pounds. That is a true sport bike
This is going to be my first Harley-Davidson. Love the look.
Right on!
Very impressive new engine. Heard elsewhere Harley had closed their current Sportster factory.I’d definitely go for mids and that fairing off the Pan America . At 5’8 I think the ride height would suit me better.
Sportsters are still being produced in the US. The mid controls would make for an aggressive riding position...we like the way you're thinking about it. Thanks for tuning in.
T bars and exhaust and she’s all done. I’m getting one!
I love the fact that Honda owns 33% of Showa suspension, makes the people who are HD brand loyalists a bit sad. Anyway, this is an interesting bike. Hope it does well, the Pan America is a nice bike with a great engine.
love the way it looks but I already bought a Harley once it's too expensive 1000 after you buy a bike to get the first oil change... Na I switched back to Honda
Who in the hell does Harley have designing their bike, Helen Keller?
It needed more time. Besides being disgustingly ugly, I think it's going to be a pretty poor ride.
@@_Meriwether all harleys are a poor ride, buckets of shite
@@mbal4052 I've ridden (I think) four H-D's, and I didn't like any of them more than my Vulcan S. I was disappointed, not even taking into account the pricepoint.
I can't justify paying "good car" money for a below average motorcycle.
Switched to a LHS belt.
Vrod + FXDR + Fat Bob = Sportster S
I don’t agree. The difference is the same as it is between Mercedes e and Mercedes c class! I’m in favor of Fat Bob 👍
wow ! as a Ktm superduke rider and a kawasaki super charger in my garage, i must say HD doing some great work! If i can compare it with triumph rocket 3 (new generation) this is thicks all the boxes. My god i cant believe i say this but i would actually test ride this harley and may be even buy it. I am assuming because the bike is low the centre gravity is quite good so i am assuming the bike handles quite good. Not too sure about single front brake and very small suspension travel but thats the part needs to be test ride. For my like i think the rear suspensions 2 inch travel is a little insane. Any potholes or bad roads you will get a smach on your ass, could potentialy hurt people with back problems, i am thinking the suspenision must be quite firm. Would have be a perfect bike if the suspension travel alittle more and double front brakes. But again it needs to ridden and find out.
I have not ridden my 2009 XR1200 much, (2792 miles, all stock), thinking about selling it, and NOW I SEE THIS!!! 70 years old, body doesn't fit ergonomics anymore, but this 1250S?
I wonder how my tighs can deal with the heat from a really close exhaust.
The exhaust is insulated. We'll put a full review up of the motorcycle once we get a change to ride it.
They put the sport back in the sportster! I hope the kids like/buy them.
What age group are you meaning when saying "kids" like 35+? Lol
@@SooHighFashion This bike would be cool for even young 20s guys. Looks and power. And it's pretty cheap
@@jmhellison 15k cheap? Rofl
@@gobira26 Yes it's cheap. I could put $5k down and my payments would be $200 or so. Would pay it off in 1 year
@@jmhellison gonna agree with @Phill here lmao 15k it's not gonna be 15k out the door and we all know that, even if it was its still expensive as hell. I'm in your 20 something age group and I could not afford to get that, majority of my friends couldn't either. My older brother who's 34 couldn't do it either and he has a better job. Well he could do it but it wouldn't be financially smart. Most people my age and friends are still living at home with their parents. Plus there are so many alternatives to this bike that are cheaper. A brand new Yamaha mt09 SP is 10k. Go pick a used one up for really cheap too. Idk how old you are but no one my age could just put down 5k. I'm gonna guess you're over 40 years old. I'm not trying to be an asshole or talk down to ya by the way my dude
Wish Harley had put money into the Vrod Bikes..I bought 3 but currently ride a 2014 fatbob...Id def lay the cash down for a new Vrod muscle
I am digging my 2015 48...something about that classic look, that is quintessential HD.
Nice bike... looks like they took the night rod and shrunk it and modernized it! Very nice concept wasn't sure how it was going to come out!
Glad you liked it!
They need to bring back the Bronx, that would be a sporty Harley
We suspect the Revolution Max engine will find its way into other yet to be announced models.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 if it’s not a Bronx or street fight like bike I’m not interested 🤷♂️
Agreed. The Bronx is a good looking bike. I do like them using the revo motor in the sporty but the bikes in this video look like ass...
The rendering of the sportster with the 1250 from about 2020 looked good. But this damn thing pretty ugly
@@MichaelHoward-td9qm It is stunning.
Litterly just purchased a 2021 sportster 883. Back in march. The bike looks nice but the exhaust looks funky. Wonder what vance and hine will produce for this.
keep that 2021!
@@USNVA-yn6cp will do dude!
We're sure they'll have something for it soon after its release.
2002 FLHRCI or death. Love these new Harley's that will bring in a new demographic of Harley riders.
Nice bike except for that high level exhaust. Tank looks small and I hope that radiator has a guard. Look forward to a ride but will be keeping my 2001 Sportster 1200S. Where is it made?
US motorcycles will be made in the US.
Great video!! I am from Spain and thinking to buy it soon :)
Hope you enjoy it!
17000€ - a little bit expensive
Good decision.
@@JordiFrio we pay 20k in the Netherlands
I like the looks of the Scout Bobber, but this looks damn nice. And that power!
It looks good and totally dash is nice. Still feel like it should be priced more around $13-14k. $15k is still high, not outrageous but just had higher hopes that Harley was listening to the people that WANT to buy their NEW BIKES.
It's 15k with the upgraded dash like this bike. I think it starts at 14k?
Try getting one of these for less than $20,000 out the door and you will still have 2 inches of rear wheel suspension travel, single brake disc up front, heavy wheels, tiny seat, no rear seat or pegs, ugly plate holder, giant ugly exhaust
why did Harley put the exhaust right at the top? what if you have passenger behind ? tigh burns out? routing both down and pointing both exhausts up look more agressive
Finally Harley has got a fast stock bike! I love it! I really wanna test ride.
I like it and hope it is a smash hit for Harley-Davidson. Unfortunately I am too broke and too big to ride one.
That orange&white Pan America looks nice in the background☺
Thanks for noticing!
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 i hope all those carbon fiber craftsmen are looking at this bike right now
This bike looks like a blast! Your dealership looks awesome and I can't wait to stop by and say hello when I'm on tour next spring!
We think it will be a blast! Please make sure to stop by. Let's get out on the Pan Americas and create some content as well!
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 Sounds like a plan!!!
I’m itching for this thing. I recently sold my 18 sporty that had the 1275 kit on it. Now I have a Honda Monkey and a Kawasaki Z900RS Cafe in the stable. Got my name on the first white one to arrive in Central FloriDUH. I really tried to like the Milwaukee Eight but they just don’t speak to me. The new tech and cruise is huge for me and hopefully the Bluetooth will work well with my Ruroc Shockwave system.
Thanks for the overview 🤘
Right on! Let us know how you like it once it arrives.
maybe the second year of production and also when the aftermarket catches up with bags & windshields etc. great video by the way....dual discs would be nice.
IMHO HD should have offered a Sportster in a Softail frame years ago... they'd have sold like hotcakes...
how the hell could they have fitted an entire sportster into a softail frame? doesn't even make any sense.
@@frankcastle5294 That's hilarious!😂
Hotcakes?, Softails suck. Put an underpowered sportster in a sucky frame? Don’t think so.
I have never purchased a hot cake.
There is already a company that made Softail frames for Sportsters.
OK, I'll ask the question, Why is Harley afraid to make a full on sport bike?
Sacrilege, im sure they could do it but thats not what theyre about. Also they might lose some of their market because of even attempting that. Kinda like ducati making a slow cruiser bike🤷🏻♂️
@@hooniganruiz5613 Shit, all that bike needs is clip-ons a rearsets.
One word for you:
"Heritage."
@@_Meriwether Yeah, they make a bike with that name on it. So, what's their excuse for this abortion?
Thinking my 48 is due for a trade in. I've always been in love with Night Rod Specials but I fit like a glove on the Sportster frame. This thing looks like the absolute perfect combination of both.
Good choice!
I wish they made it a Cafe racer. But at least it's something newer for Harley
Hope that’s the 975 variant. :-)
Throw some on clip ons and you’ll be good.
This is a improved v rod motor and has more in common with the v rod than the sportster not than thats a bad thing as for the difference between the Pan America and the Sportster S motors they are the same as comparing the 108 to the 114 M8.
I'm not really a fan of the styling but I bet it feels great to ride... Glad to see a new engine, I wonder what others will have it
Heavy wheels, minimal seat, 2 inches of rear wheel travel, gigantic two can exhaust, single brake up front and not very good looking overall
Not gonna lie, this bike looks awesome. I would ride it but I could never afford it.
great looking bike ! and nice that Harley gives it a vintage twist with the exhaust on the same place as the old day track racers, cool.
Couldn't agree more!
did they at least put a gas gauge on it ?
It's part of the digital instrument cluster.
It looks like a 48 crossed with a v rod.
Ike the bulldog stance. Wished the tank was bigger. At least 4 gallons
Damn I love it. Rumors were that Harley was dropping the Sportster , damn glad they didn't I am a die hard Sportster fan . I own a 2000 1200 Custom and it is so damn reliable , Bulitproof. I can't wait for the 1250 T in the Sportster S. And a 6 speed , I love it. I want one already.
We're glad the Sportster line is continuing too! Stay tuned for more information on this motorcycle once we get one on the showroom.
I wish they would have called it a different name, the actual traditional Sportster has been discontinued by Harley so why pretend this new high technology machine is actually a Sportster? It’s not a Sportster by any Stretch of the imagination! It’s a great piece of engineering that was designed from scratch with absolutely no resemblance to a Sportster model in any form! Looks fun to blast around on for sure!
Why wouldn't it be sportster? The first one was released in 1957 and there have been a couple of engine updates and other design updates. This bike gives a nod to the XLR1200 and 750. It looks great and hopefully it will challenge the Indian 1200 carbon.
Style wise its a Indian scout
@@deltabluesdavidraye No, not at all. Look at the 70's XR 750 Sportster or even the XR1200. Those were out 30 years before the Polaris/Indian. Indian copied the HD's from the 70's. The new sportster is a NOD to those bikes.
should have kept it making 150 horsepower. that would have been a must have for me
Read up on the factory "powder puff" tune. It's got lots of room to "grow".
How long till HD discontinuous it like they do all there performance oriented bikes
Betting you rarely get invited to any parties, Karen.
I was thinking the same thing, the VR1000, and most unfortunate Buell. HD always seems to get rid of their actual innovated stuff. And their great idea to buy then sell MV Augusta.
@@frankcastle5294 how is he being a Karen, he is right. HD has no idea how to deal with performance bikes.
@@jasonfalkowski4010 I'm third generation H-
D and retired from the company 3 years ago. You keyboard warriors have no idea what it takes to run motorcycle company. And neither did Erik Buell. And the VR was like the Nova project. Nothing more than an engineering exercise.
@@frankcastle5294 I’ll agree that Erik was a horrible business man, but he was a hell of an engineer and under stood racing. But HD did a horrible job promoting and marketing Buell, always hidden away in the corners of dealerships, Sketchy service, the red headed stepchild of hd.
Is the clutch light like Pan Am?
How does it handle curves in back country roads?
How can HD sell a 15KUSD and over 500 LB 'performance' bike with a single disk at the front? I cannot think of one performance bike over 700CC with a single at the front. That is extremely weak.
There is no doubt Harley Davidson had to start producing Cadillac smooth motorcycles with no old schoolers & MC’s dictating their direction. It appears that HD has designed any and all flaws out of the revolution max to move them forward because the days of those hot air cooled engines are over.
HD cannot go back to the old way of doing and building engines for their motorcycles after this, 1950’s/1960’ technology like the big primary chain rotating in oil, pushrods, rocker arms, pushrod lifters, and the loud shifting clunk. This revolution max engine has 150hp in the Pan American & 121hp in the Sportster to me means with a slight modification this engine of some type similar will be in touring models sooner than later. Full counter balancing and a liquid cooling is something v twins have been missing out on for decades not to forget single hole oil fill and oil drain.
Like the look and it's a Harley Davidson and interested in a sporty bike.
Is it simply possible to have a look at the left side of your so-called best bike ever... Or what ? 😏
Why show the ugly side, where the mole is?
Great review and your passion for HD really shines through!!
I appreciate that!
Looks cool, finally a modern motor in a Harley... Should be pretty quick, but I have my doubts about the handling with that front tire and the lack of ground clearance...
I really wish that they had built the Bronx. If they dumped a 150hp liquid cooled motor into a streetfighter chassis, Brembos and proper suspension... I would be at the Harley dealer in a heartbeat.
They need to get with the times. Nostalgia only gets you so far. The under 30 crowd today doesn't know what Easy Rider was, or care. Boomers are hanging up their helmets and moving on from riding. if Harley doesn;t offer modern bikes that people want to buy, rather than countless variations of the same 4 bikes since the 70's, they are gonna be in for a rough time.
Seeing bikes like this, is encouraging. The Pan American is weird looking, but its them stepping outside of the box, so I like it.
We were sad to see the Bronx get axed. Hopefully, Harley-Davidson revisits it.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 They need to. I know a lot of folks like me that would never even consider a Harley, consider the Bronx. My riding career over the past 26 years, has had me owning 28 bikes. Some Japanese bikes, but a lot of Ducati, Triumph and Aprilia. I ride street and occasionally do track days...
Some of my favorite bikes have been Monsters, Speed/Street Triples, a Streetfighter, Tuono, etc... Naked sportbikes with gobs of power, but precise handling, etc...
I have always looked at Harley through the lens of "Great American history, but heavy, slow... yesterday's technology at tomorrow's premium prices". They have always been a lifestyle brand to me. You don't buy a Harley because you want the best ride, performance or value. You buy a Harley because you WANT A HARLEY. You are buying into the lifestyle... You buy the bike, you buy the uniform dark jeans, orange shirt, wallet chain and bandana... haha
But seeing bikes like this and the Pan America, and maybe one day, the Bronx... That will bring folks like me in the door. A true modern sportbike with American lineage and style, and a really strong dealer network...
The problem that Harley faces, is that they are too afraid to piss off their aging fan base. Look at how the VRod, or the XR1200 was received... two of the best bikes they ever made, and they flopped because "This isn't what we are used to!"...
Ducati had the same hurdle when they ditched the dry clutch, and trellis frame from their superbikes. The wailing from the fans was deafening. And yet, the frameless Panigale took the world by storm, and in 2017 it was the best selling superbike in the world for the first time in their history. They beat Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki. One of every 4 superbikes sold that year, was a Ducati.
So sometimes, risking pissing off your fanboys, really pays off. Harley needs to take charge and be bold here.
Id love to ride one just to see how wildly different it is from my ironhead sporty.
Lotta good info in here and lotta repetition. "Not the same as the Pan Am 1250" "I had experience with this 1250 in the Pan Am and really liked for {great listed reasons}" then again "Not the same as the Pan Am 1250." So which is it? Same or not same? Similar block, timing and control methods with different tuning, maybe? Give us some credit for ability to hear when you're trying to please two different mind-sets with varying hype.
From Malaysia looking forward to own one
This will be hitting some big power numbers in 12 months time.
Agreed! We expect there to be lots of performance options.
I'm sure it will be great and I'll learn to love it. But first impression it looks just like an Indian scout. Them fat front need to go. I like sporsters to look like sporsters. No passenger option? I will be interested in seeing different models of the s
I hope they do a Custom with the skinny front tire and passenger seat. That would be cool.
Passenger seat is available with backrest and footpeg but yes the ugly fat tyres need to go. Not everyone like the 48.
Fat front tire = really good handling.
@@JD97711 define that, coz fat front tyre is not easy to flick left right. Is good handling means more speed in highway speed curve or more easy to flick around in mountain roads?
Hope to see some different pipe options soon. Loving it though! Was hoping they’d do this!
We're glad to see the Motor Company update a bike in this category.
I ordered mine. Waiting for early fall delivery.
Nice!
Growing up in Daytona and watching the motorcycle races every Bike Week for more than 5 decades I will finally own a bike that looks like it just came off the racetrack. I have always loved the looks of the race bikes Harley has brought.
Good idea to have the mid control option, I don't like forward controls and I'm 6'4"
We're glad there's a mid control option as well.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 Yea, forward controls put ALL your weight on your butt and your arms always have to pull you into the wind, plus I feel more in control with mids and you can stand up when you see a pothole you can's avoid.
Beautiful motorcycle, will be a big seller. Nice video lots of nice info😎
Forward controls are ridiculously dangerous.Feet under you is the biggest control factor that you have in dangerous situations.
Never had a harley but with midsets its definitely a possibility
Does it have a USB charger plug in like the Indian Scout?
Love the bike, IMO it's priced out to lunch. This is supposed to replace the current entry point to Harley Davidson at 15 grand?! .... Super deflated when I learned the price
Similar to the price of the Indian Chief Bobber and the Indian FTR.
Great looking bike Harley did good.I wish I could see the other side of the bike.ive only seen the exhaust side .
Coming soon
Why does Harley keep focusing on less hp for the Sportster? Why change the motor internals different from Pan America to have less performance?
The Sportster has always been a beautiful underpowered bike. Why would a sportbike guy like myself that has an interest in Harleys spend money on an underpowered bike and then dump another several grand in stage kits and still not match the power of a stock sportbike?
I pose those questions as a potential buyer frustrated with Harleys way of thinking.
I wanted to buy one but won’t now that it has 30 hp less than the dirt bike rev max. Makes no sense. Now I will wait a year for S&S & zippers to make cams & heads. When I can get 180 to 200 hp out of it I’ll buy it 👍
Hammer Performance. Lol.
@@karlhockenberry9130
Lol them too 😎
The exhaust isn't my style but the bike looks fun and fast.
We can't wait to get one in so we can get it our for a ride.
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 do you know when are we expecting it to show up at the dealership? thx
@@Sean-yk2cf All we know so far is that we should be expecting the first one this Fall sometime. We'll keep you guys updated for sure!👊
35 years so nice the Sportster had been updated? What about the XR1200. That bike made 108bhp and 75ft/lb torque. Gets no love.
Good point. The XR1200 made a brief run from 2009 to 2012 but only made 88hp and 74 ft/lbs of torque. Great bike!
@@grandtetonharley-davidson8690 I stand corrected. My favorite Harley all the same. I don't know that I'm a fan of the belt drive on this model.
As a Harley owner I feel they missed the mark. Harley's issue is selling to a younger crowd and this bike wont help as much as you think, specially at that price point. Your main competition makes similar bikes and then they make the FTR which is more of a Sport bike then a bike called Sportster. I was just at a bike rally last weekend and Indian brought a few bikes and I was amazed at how many Harley owners are seriously looking at changing.
We've already taken deposits and they're from the younger crowd. We're anxious to do our own comparison with the FTR. Indian is down significantly in market share in our area. Stay tuned for a comparison
I can't believe it's not dual calipers up front.
I guess the Mrs. will have to stay home with the one up seat??
Or are there different versions in the lineup. maybe in the near future??
They will be offering a passenger Pillion seat and back rest for the bike when it releases. It will be super exciting to see what else they do with this platform!
sir i am a indian i have a no bike becouse i am poor 😔 but this bike my dreme bike 🤗but i have no money 🥺😭😭😭
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Where you gonna put bags at?
Finally Harley made a scout competitor. However, if your a bit larger the forward controls and the lean over the tank sucks. Great bike ruined by ergonomics.
Great overview, fantastic looking motorcycle!
Glad you liked it!
Looks awesome, and am anxious to try it out!
Is it any good for a 6.2 tall and a 265 pounds heavy rider?