Question. Are you helping a weaker strain of bee to survive? If not how do autumn swarm bees deal with diseases and mites compared to spring swarm bees?
I am helping them to survive but 2 points I'd like to make. 1. I requeen colonies that don't have great traits quickly. We won't put up with queens that swarm during times when there is no good reason to swarm, have excessive EFB or chalkbrood, poor patterns, aggressive behavior etc. The 2nd point I would like to make is even the best bee can swarm at any time the colony experiences the right stimuli to swarm. This may lead to their demise but doesn't mean they are bad genetically. It could just mean they ran out of cavity space and/or had a strong flow of nutrition coming in.
I am always ready to help a weak colony by giving them extra brood or food and treatment if needed, if you are talking about a healthy colony and a colony that does not have the population yet. If you are talking about a sick colony or a colony that is lacking on performance and continuous health problems then I will take actions. Sometimes there is a need to introduce a different genetic to diversify to keep colonies healthy. I am open breading and my bees are very good in all aspects, unlike the bees and queens I bought a few years earlier from a big commercial bee outfit from Georgia. A autumn swarm would benefit greatly from a brood break to lower mites if you have a mated queen that you can put in and some extra brood to add.
Kamon, I've seen so many beekeepers who'd see a little swarm like that and just say "It's not worth trying to save this late in the season." I love that you've got that same stubborn personality that makes you say "Oh, this small swarm has the odds stacked against them? Let's beat those odds."
I bet if we give them some TLC they could amount to alot of awesome bees next year. A swarm in August is tedious but shoot we are Beekeepers! The challenge is half the fun!
I grabbed a Mann Lake Resource Hive for $100 bucks. 2 4-framers with a divided second story and separate front/back entrances. Be great to drop some of these small fall swarms and splits in to.
Farmers mowing everything around here..ditch flowers included! Was a lot of goldenrod n wild aster. Thank you for y'alls videos. I've learned more this year from watching y'all than the previous 5 years "trial and error" ...mostly error!
Goldenrod has to be removed from pasture. It's toxic to horses, goats, cattle, and sheep. Unfortunately there are many things that are good for bees and bad for livestock.
Working with a fall swarm... hoping I can help. We are first year into a prairie and having lots of flowers! Also the yard is turning to all clover.. long intervals between mowing and 2 buckwheat fields... becoming a bee sanctuary haha... but must wear shoes. Thank you for all your videos and teaching. Your common sense approach is helping many of us.
Did a hive inspection yesterday and found that I immediately need to add another honey supper, was not expecting that but the more they have for the winter the happier I’ll be lol
You are like me, you like to push the envelope and odds and try to see if it can work out. It is nice to see that a small swarm can expand and look healthy.
I just went out to add bee escapes in my bee yard and noticed a hive with a virgin queen and half the population.. It was a nuc from June so i was a bit surprised. Glanced up into a small walnut tree and noticed a 2-3lb swarm. Well here in Ontario bee season is done in mid october. should be interesting getting them to try and survive. Good luck to our fall swarms! Lol what do wild bees do.. "They DIE" had a good laugh at that. Its lucky we have some drawn combs to get them laying in only a few days.
I just caught a colony that absconded from their hive in a tree. Maybe 2 frames worth of bees but a couple hindred died in a feeder before i took it out and put an entrance feeder on. I added a frame of broos from another hive. Gonna do an oxalic acid dribble today. Hoping to use some resources from my other hives to help get this hive going well.
K&L I definitely think that you’ve got this late swarm on the right track! You know what it takes to nurture a hive to good health. I appreciate the both of you for taking the time to teach others like myself. I just got through putting SHB traps in a couple of hives that I put 1 pound bee pro patties in on Monday which was 4 days ago and there might be 2 ounces left in one and maybe 3 or 4 ounces in the other. I haven’t seen any golden rods in bloom yet. How is your fall flow going?
Another great video Kamon! Appreciate you sharing your knowledge with the rest of us little guys... That wasn’t a jab at your height, I swear! LoL!!! 🐝😎
In England, in the old days before movable beehive frames were invented and all hives were skeps, there was a saying: "A swarm of bees in May / is worth a load of hay. / A swarm of bees in June / is worth a silver spoon. / A swarm of bees in July / isn't worth a fly.".
The fall swarm may go out and start to build some comb and store a little food and then die in Dec but a May swarm the next year can walk in and have a good start to a new home thanks to the fall swarm.
@@FloryJohann Up here in the North country the freeze will kill all the SHB and wax moths by October. The small colony of bees would probably last until December and leave a nice home for a spring swarm. There are some advantages in winter.
I made a nuc a while back and when I checked it this weekend , they had 4 frames covered with brood. I had to add a super to make more room for them. I did not expect that.
That BEE VEIL! Where did you get it? I tried looking at the 6 types Kelleybees shows on their website and they do not look like that one. Mannlake has a similar looking one called a Clear Vue hat & veil with string but I can not tell if the veil is sturdy like yours appears to be. Thanks for the help!
When is the very latest you would make splits with mated queens in your area? My mystery queen was gone last week but left behind 2 capped queen cells. Thinking of having some mated queens sent so I'll have options when I get home next Fri. Thanks.
Help. Today I'm adding queenless hive to a great queened hive via newspaper method. Many queen cells..but I DO need to kill all those cells first...right? No stores in the hive to speak of and fear the colony is too weak now to build up before winter. Not sure if the queen swarmed or was killed by robbers...my neighbors bees...AGAIN (face palm). My other hive is strong with beautiful queen...a swarm I caught in spring. Thanks.
Will you keep them 5 frames or add extra brood from other to build numbers? Have you ever double screened during the winter to help get small colonies through the winter?
The queen might be old and running low on sperm or she is just to old to live much longer. It is so late in the year for getting a mated queen back living in Iowa, that is going to be tough. Maybe do the hive tool test on the queen and do a merge with a weak hive with a young queen. You need strong hives to overwinter and you have so many swarms you could boost. Just a thought.
I have a question for you that is off your topic. How do you feel about feeding 2:1 syrup in Late Summer early Fall. I have had some other beekeepers Tel me that the queen will not produce brood in 2:1 syrup.
They will produce brood. Thinner syrup can stimulate brood rearing more though. Fall flow is starting here don't plug them up too much but if they need it they need it. I typically hit them with the 2:1 Early october here in TN
As far as I know, we don’t really have a Fall Flow here in Oregon. I’m trying to feed the bees until I feel they are heavy enough for winter food supply sources.
Is it too late to requeen a colony? I have a colony that is doing ok, but could be a lot better. I would like to get some better genetics for next spring. Is this possible? Do you have queens for sale?
i agree, wild honeybees belong left alone in the wild. i view them as a natural resource producing better drones that all can take advantage of in their apiaries.
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Question. Are you helping a weaker strain of bee to survive? If not how do autumn swarm bees deal with diseases and mites compared to spring swarm bees?
I am helping them to survive but 2 points I'd like to make. 1. I requeen colonies that don't have great traits quickly. We won't put up with queens that swarm during times when there is no good reason to swarm, have excessive EFB or chalkbrood, poor patterns, aggressive behavior etc. The 2nd point I would like to make is even the best bee can swarm at any time the colony experiences the right stimuli to swarm. This may lead to their demise but doesn't mean they are bad genetically. It could just mean they ran out of cavity space and/or had a strong flow of nutrition coming in.
I am always ready to help a weak colony by giving them extra brood or food and treatment if needed, if you are talking about a healthy colony and a colony that does not have the population yet.
If you are talking about a sick colony or a colony that is lacking on performance and continuous health problems then I will take actions.
Sometimes there is a need to introduce a different genetic to diversify to keep colonies healthy.
I am open breading and my bees are very good in all aspects, unlike the bees and queens I bought a few years earlier from a big commercial bee outfit from Georgia.
A autumn swarm would benefit greatly from a brood break to lower mites if you have a mated queen that you can put in and some extra brood to add.
Kamon, I've seen so many beekeepers who'd see a little swarm like that and just say "It's not worth trying to save this late in the season." I love that you've got that same stubborn personality that makes you say "Oh, this small swarm has the odds stacked against them? Let's beat those odds."
I bet if we give them some TLC they could amount to alot of awesome bees next year. A swarm in August is tedious but shoot we are Beekeepers! The challenge is half the fun!
@@kamonreynolds Rooting for the underdog!!!!!!
I grabbed a Mann Lake Resource Hive for $100 bucks. 2 4-framers with a divided second story and separate front/back entrances. Be great to drop some of these small fall swarms and splits in to.
Drawn comb is worth it's weight in gold. That was one good looking queen. Keep up the updates on this one!
Farmers mowing everything around here..ditch flowers included! Was a lot of goldenrod n wild aster. Thank you for y'alls videos. I've learned more this year from watching y'all than the previous 5 years "trial and error" ...mostly error!
Boy we know that feeling! Hopefully we can help replace most of the trail and error with Honey and Biscuits :-)
Goldenrod has to be removed from pasture. It's toxic to horses, goats, cattle, and sheep. Unfortunately there are many things that are good for bees and bad for livestock.
Thanks !!
Working with a fall swarm... hoping I can help. We are first year into a prairie and having lots of flowers! Also the yard is turning to all clover.. long intervals between mowing and 2 buckwheat fields... becoming a bee sanctuary haha... but must wear shoes. Thank you for all your videos and teaching. Your common sense approach is helping many of us.
I really enjoy that your just a down to earth guy, love your videos
Did a hive inspection yesterday and found that I immediately need to add another honey supper, was not expecting that but the more they have for the winter the happier I’ll be lol
Thanks so much for such good helpful videos to help us beginner bee keepers out alot.🐝🐝🐝
You are like me, you like to push the envelope and odds and try to see if it can work out.
It is nice to see that a small swarm can expand and look healthy.
I just went out to add bee escapes in my bee yard and noticed a hive with a virgin queen and half the population.. It was a nuc from June so i was a bit surprised. Glanced up into a small walnut tree and noticed a 2-3lb swarm. Well here in Ontario bee season is done in mid october. should be interesting getting them to try and survive. Good luck to our fall swarms!
Lol what do wild bees do.. "They DIE" had a good laugh at that. Its lucky we have some drawn combs to get them laying in only a few days.
I just caught a colony that absconded from their hive in a tree. Maybe 2 frames worth of bees but a couple hindred died in a feeder before i took it out and put an entrance feeder on. I added a frame of broos from another hive. Gonna do an oxalic acid dribble today. Hoping to use some resources from my other hives to help get this hive going well.
I have a hive right now 9/8/2020 with One superseding cell and five sworm cells! In VA 30 minutes from Mount airy.
K&L I definitely think that you’ve got this late swarm on the right track! You know what it takes to nurture a hive to good health. I appreciate the both of you for taking the time to teach others like myself. I just got through putting SHB traps in a couple of hives that I put 1 pound bee pro patties in on Monday which was 4 days ago and there might be 2 ounces left in one and maybe 3 or 4 ounces in the other. I haven’t seen any golden rods in bloom yet. How is your fall flow going?
I was wondering why your fall swarm are small thanks for the explanation.
Great timing. I just had a softball size swarm with no queen. Added them to weak hive.
Another great video Kamon! Appreciate you sharing your knowledge with the rest of us little guys... That wasn’t a jab at your height, I swear! LoL!!! 🐝😎
In England, in the old days before movable beehive frames were invented and all hives were skeps, there was a saying: "A swarm of bees in May / is worth a load of hay. / A swarm of bees in June / is worth a silver spoon. / A swarm of bees in July / isn't worth a fly.".
I think fall swarms are natures way of getting rid of the old bees. To lighten up the colony before winter.
The fall swarm may go out and start to build some comb and store a little food and then die in Dec but a May swarm the next year can walk in and have a good start to a new home thanks to the fall swarm.
@@russellkoopman3004 Around here, wax moth and small hive beetles and ants would destroy the comb and eat all food by the time May comes around.
@@FloryJohann Up here in the North country the freeze will kill all the SHB and wax moths by October. The small colony of bees would probably last until December and leave a nice home for a spring swarm. There are some advantages in winter.
@@russellkoopman3004 Wow , what a difference.
And we still have drones here in N.C
Wow, look at all of the C-shaped larvae. 👍
I made a nuc a while back and when I checked it this weekend , they had 4 frames covered with brood. I had to add a super to make more room for them. I did not expect that.
@@FloryJohann Johann, that's awesome! 😀👍
Looks like they're gonna make it... I just added queens to former mating nucs that have a lot further to go than your mini swarm before winter.
Hi ,This bee breed is very calm, we have fierce black bees in Algeria .
So that is where my bees went.
That BEE VEIL! Where did you get it? I tried looking at the 6 types Kelleybees shows on their website and they do not look like that one. Mannlake has a similar looking one called a Clear Vue hat & veil with string but I can not tell if the veil is sturdy like yours appears to be. Thanks for the help!
This is a model of the clear vue their website just stinks for detailed stuff like that. It has the same screen as the one I am using
When is the very latest you would make splits with mated queens in your area? My mystery queen was gone last week but left behind 2 capped queen cells. Thinking of having some mated queens sent so I'll have options when I get home next Fri. Thanks.
Help. Today I'm adding queenless hive to a great queened hive via newspaper method. Many queen cells..but I DO need to kill all those cells first...right? No stores in the hive to speak of and fear the colony is too weak now to build up before winter. Not sure if the queen swarmed or was killed by robbers...my neighbors bees...AGAIN (face palm). My other hive is strong with beautiful queen...a swarm I caught in spring. Thanks.
Will you keep them 5 frames or add extra brood from other to build numbers?
Have you ever double screened during the winter to help get small colonies through the winter?
I actually will likely use a double screen board for this colony seeing as it is so small so late in the year but I definitely won't be combining it.
Thanks for the video! I have a single brood box of bees that not even 3/4 way full and they keep raising all kinds of queens.
The queen might be old and running low on sperm or she is just to old to live much longer. It is so late in the year for getting a mated queen back living in Iowa, that is going to be tough. Maybe do the hive tool test on the queen and do a merge with a weak hive with a young queen. You need strong hives to overwinter and you have so many swarms you could boost. Just a thought.
I have a question for you that is off your topic. How do you feel about feeding 2:1 syrup in Late Summer early Fall. I have had some other beekeepers Tel me that the queen will not produce brood in 2:1 syrup.
They will produce brood. Thinner syrup can stimulate brood rearing more though. Fall flow is starting here don't plug them up too much but if they need it they need it. I typically hit them with the 2:1 Early october here in TN
As far as I know, we don’t really have a Fall Flow here in Oregon. I’m trying to feed the bees until I feel they are heavy enough for winter food supply sources.
Is it too late to requeen a colony? I have a colony that is doing ok, but could be a lot better. I would like to get some better genetics for next spring. Is this possible? Do you have queens for sale?
Great info Kamon. When using pro sweet, how do you mix to get equivalent of one to one? A local Amish bee supply business is handling it now. Thanks
Still hitting close to 100 degrees in Idaho. 🥵🥵
i agree, wild honeybees belong left alone in the wild. i view them as a natural resource producing better drones that all can take advantage of in their apiaries.
They may be runaways from bee keepers.
From South-Africa could you please put up a link where to buy the EZ Nucs you use
When will you start OAV for all your hives? Do you test them all?
I caught a small swarm about a month ago... and they are still drawing swarm cells and trying to swarm again. Suicide squad.
LOL some bees act like they have been sippin mead instead of nectar
Lol. Could have snagged some fermented nectar while we were treating with Apivar.