Bus Runs Like GARBAGE after Engine Swap?? (Ford E450 V10)

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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
  • We're at a local BUS DEPOT today in Ithaca, NY!
    The shop manager tells me that they have had some bad luck with replacement dealer-installed Ford V10 engines.
    3 buses have had engines replaced within a month, and they are ALL not running right! He wants a second opinion, so he can proceed with warranty claims.
    Let's start with bus #189 that runs like GARBAGE and perform a thorough diagnosis.
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Комментарии • 306

  • @scottymoondogjakubin4766
    @scottymoondogjakubin4766 11 месяцев назад +113

    Whats even harder to believe is the dealer shipped them back out to the customer like that ! totally unacceptable in my book !

    • @Runco990
      @Runco990 11 месяцев назад +13

      Really? I'd let a stranger off the street work on my car before I let a "Dealer" touch it.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 11 месяцев назад +1

      It’s hard to follow the story. Sounds like he is at a shop diagnosing it. The shop could have purchased an engine from ford and installed it themselves before releasing back to owner???

    • @jormalonnberg1578
      @jormalonnberg1578 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@mph5896 Even I, Finish guy can follow this, and also read what Ivan wrote, how can`t you? Assuming you are american ? Am I wrong?

    • @billk5727
      @billk5727 11 месяцев назад +8

      Ivan is working at the bus fleet maintenance facility/garage. The maintenance facility farmed the engine replacements out to the Ford dealer.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 11 месяцев назад

      @@billk5727 thanks👍

  • @lorrainebwoy
    @lorrainebwoy 11 месяцев назад +24

    Good morning everyone...watching here in Jamaica 🇯🇲......at Marvin's Auto diagnostic

  • @lvsqcsl
    @lvsqcsl 11 месяцев назад +4

    I know a guy that graduated from Ithica High School in 2004 and went on to Cornell University. Seems he might have had some input on some particle acceleration thingy. Then he went on to Penn state and now lives nine miles from there and we are all grateful and enjoy his videos. GREAT VIDEO!

  • @joshausterlitz3798
    @joshausterlitz3798 11 месяцев назад +8

    When i was at ford during the great Triton disaster years, Ford ran out of new 2Vs and 3Vs because of so many issues, we use to get engines from Jasper, S&K and one other i can't think of and at some point about half of them were coming in bad, no compression, ticking, no oil pressure ECT... the owner broke down and started buying trucks (junk and used) just to pull engines from so we could rebuild them in house and line the back wall of ready to go engines to swap because he got so tired of all the come backs.
    How i got lucky to have been working at a dealer at the time that cared that much, i don't know, but good luck finding one like that now.

  • @TheDrewCharles
    @TheDrewCharles 11 месяцев назад +18

    I definitely would be pleased to see a follow-up on this project!

  • @DavidJAutomotive
    @DavidJAutomotive 11 месяцев назад +11

    I am grateful for all the time you invest in these videos Mr. Ivan. You inspire me a lot to continue in this field, I am young and from Latin America. But despite the difference in languages I really enjoy these videos and I learn a lot. I hope one day to be like you.

  • @jimburgess9205
    @jimburgess9205 11 месяцев назад +20

    That pressure transducer makes a big difference in diagnosis.

    • @Jim_M_75
      @Jim_M_75 10 месяцев назад

      Never seen one used before, what a superb way to see inside a motor. Makes my standard pressure type gauge seem like a waste of time.

  • @cullenmiller8170
    @cullenmiller8170 11 месяцев назад +9

    At least you are in the driver seat of the short bus and not riding in the back. 😂😂
    Great video and diagnosis.

  • @davidturner4639
    @davidturner4639 11 месяцев назад +36

    Yep, head gasket leaking between cylinders and coolant passages on bus one. Bus 2 is likely to have a failing head gasket as well. My guess is a broken head bolt or 2.

    • @HouseCallAutoRepair
      @HouseCallAutoRepair 11 месяцев назад +7

      Maybe they bolted down warped heads....
      I was thinking in correct cam, or switched firing order... at one point even thinking someone tweaked valves during assembly...
      Ivan in a combustion engine genius!

    • @k5tor185
      @k5tor185 11 месяцев назад

      i was thinking (based on the reused coils, that were not in a good condition) that they maybe reused the head gasket and or bolts, this would not surprise me with what i observed in this video.

  • @tomwilson1433
    @tomwilson1433 11 месяцев назад +16

    Great video! I would recommend that an acceptance test be performed by the shop and witnessed by the customer before taking delivery of the engines.

  • @pantherplatform
    @pantherplatform 11 месяцев назад +6

    I bought two old rusty 2001 F250 V10s from a customer of mine for my salvage yard and had to drive them there. One of them was towed to my shop awhile back after the oil cooler line rusted thru and blew all the oil out on the interstate and seized the engine and I basically told him it was junk so he towed it back to his place where it sat for a couple years but after considering how it locked up suddenly vs having no oil for thousands of miles and damaging the engine over a long period of time, I figured it would probably turn over and run so I pulled all 10 plugs, sprayed a few cans of penetrating fluid into the cylinders and came back a week later and did the same thing. Put a breaker bar on the crank bolt and a pipe on the handle and it still wouldn't turn until I gently tapped on the harmonic balancer with a ball peen hammer and it moved a thousandth of a degree which meant the crank bearings were free but the rings were stuck so I tried to move the crank back and forth that little bit and it finally turned over and felt real nice with no rough spots. Put a new starter on it, hooked up a couple extra batteries in parallel and cranked it several times to blow the fluid out of the cylinders then did a compression test and they were all at or above spec. Blew everything out with compressed air and put it all back together and got it to run on brake cleaner since the fuel pump was shot. Replaced the fuel pump and drove it 50 miles to my salvage yard no problem! Those 2V non VVT Ford modular engines are damn near indestructible. I wouldn't have bought them if they were 3V VVT pieces of junk. Gonna drive that this winter and save my 2002 F250 7.3 from rusting any more. What I save not having to buy DEF makes diesel fuel affordable.

    • @tylermacconnell217
      @tylermacconnell217 4 месяца назад

      DEF is pretty cheap…$15 takes you 5,000 miles or so. Not saving much…

    • @pantherplatform
      @pantherplatform 4 месяца назад

      @@tylermacconnell217 it's the principle of having to use it in the first place or you can't drive the vehicle. You must not like freedom very much.

    • @tylermacconnell217
      @tylermacconnell217 4 месяца назад

      I don’t mind DEF at all…lets the engine use less EGR, which improves fuel economy and engine longevity. Now the DPF I will complain about.

  • @MrOverstuffedcow
    @MrOverstuffedcow 11 месяцев назад +17

    Love it. Another great video Ivan. There's not much I haven't seen you work on, maybe a train. Keep working hard and teaching us new things.

  • @robertmedina6875
    @robertmedina6875 11 месяцев назад +4

    Great video, Ivan!! They definitely aren’t making very good quality products nowadays! It’s really sad😢

  • @topher8634
    @topher8634 11 месяцев назад +21

    The shop/dealer that did the work will probably claim the engine was overheated. I've observed this on a 4.2 Fred Jones I installed in a 97 F150. As soon as the engine reached operating temp it started misfiring and steaming out the exhaust. The dealer tried to say I overheated it.

    • @joemilton7552
      @joemilton7552 11 месяцев назад +1

      if the engine overheats, that's pretty much a problem with the engine, not the operator

    • @brianw8963
      @brianw8963 11 месяцев назад +2

      All reman engines that I have used have temperature “fuses more or less” that will show a over heat situation. They are usually built in to the softplugs.

    • @Cheepchipsable
      @Cheepchipsable 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@joemilton7552Yes, but if you see the temp rising into an overheat situation you still have some responsibility to prevent damage, or it may have been run low on coolant.

    • @topher8634
      @topher8634 11 месяцев назад

      @@brianw8963 that was how I got the engine replaced the noob behind the counter wasn't aware they were installed.

    • @joemilton7552
      @joemilton7552 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Cheepchipsable Yes, but again there's a problem with the engine if it overheats to begin with, or runs low on coolant.

  • @fredsalter1915
    @fredsalter1915 11 месяцев назад +5

    I wanna see Ivan run a route & pick up some passengers!!!

  • @georgecaspira3637
    @georgecaspira3637 11 месяцев назад +23

    Would loved to hear the conversation about the first diagnosis. that was a great diagnosis... did they ever get back to you on why the fluid was getting in the cylinder?

  • @ehsnils
    @ehsnils 11 месяцев назад +15

    My first thought was that the ignition coils were bad, then when the compression test told about bad compression I thought that it was assembled with bad valve clearance, which happens. But the coolant leak tells me that it wasn't properly assembled. Modern engines have torque to stretch bolts, and reusing them will lead to failures. The engine builder might have failed to check that the heads were plane before assembling too.
    So I wouldn't be surprised if the dealer cheaped out too much.

  • @seapeddler
    @seapeddler 11 месяцев назад +2

    5 gals of Engine Restore, and she's good to go !
    Yosemite here we come !

  • @Tony-rl2fr
    @Tony-rl2fr 11 месяцев назад +7

    The galloping rhythm during a WOT clear flood crank is no bueno.

  • @rodneymiddleton9624
    @rodneymiddleton9624 10 месяцев назад

    I just finished a complete timing job on a 2005 F-150 that was messed up by 2 other shops using aftermarket parts. Thanks Ivan!

  • @Runco990
    @Runco990 11 месяцев назад +7

    "Welcome back to Pine Hollow Bus Diagnostics" 😄
    Next week: "Yes, I am on a container ship!"

  • @major__kong
    @major__kong 11 месяцев назад +7

    If the reman engine didn't get new coils, what else didn't it get? Multiple engines with similar issues says something likely wasn't done right during assembly. The coolant leaking is pointing to something with the head. As others have stated, maybe the bolts just didn't get torqued properly - amount, order, or both.

  • @GarnConstructionInc
    @GarnConstructionInc 11 месяцев назад +3

    Wow! A sub 50 psi cylinder compression that fires seams mysterious. The shop that installed these needs a test to check from air cleaner to tailpipe. Maybe a shop vac with a PHAD pressure transducer.

  • @jimpetty2961
    @jimpetty2961 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great diagnosis you go above and beyond my friend great job.

  • @dougkubash8673
    @dougkubash8673 10 месяцев назад +1

    Enjoyed the video! Bad news for the owner though. Those Pico scopes are definitely worth owning.

  • @guianders
    @guianders 11 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome Ivan that coolant flooded that cylinder great catch😊

  • @rjm7168
    @rjm7168 11 месяцев назад +1

    That's pretty nuts - did yiy hear about the guy thst glued glitter on his junk ... pretty nuts ...

  • @andyvitz
    @andyvitz 11 месяцев назад +1

    I appreciate he's been uploading more videos lately

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 11 месяцев назад +3

    Are those Jasper engines or Ford engines. Either way, coolant in the chamber is definitely problem one with possible more problems to come!
    Both those engines need replacement.
    A note here. I just remembered.
    We had Ford trucks with V10's and when a new Ford engine came in a crate, it had new Motorcraft spark plugs and new Motorcraft ignition coils. They also had new crank and cam sensors. Sometimes new Ford exhaust manifolds were ordered cause the old ones were leaking, but always came with new plugs, coils and sensors.
    Good one Ivan!

  • @JoelAutomotiveInaction
    @JoelAutomotiveInaction 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for sharing , I can see at minute 3:10 no shoes Required 😊

  • @justins.2415
    @justins.2415 11 месяцев назад +7

    Be really careful on V10 engines. After catastrophic failures metal can get in the plastic intake then come loose and fall into the new engine.

    • @cccspokesmanandcofounder
      @cccspokesmanandcofounder 10 месяцев назад +1

      They can also get residual metal from a bad catalyst converter sucked into the combustion chamber and it can do mechanical damage inside the cylinder

  • @jerryplante4239
    @jerryplante4239 11 месяцев назад +2

    The owner of the RV shop I worked at for a while has a motor home with the V10. He's on the third engine in 2 years. Factory motor was a Ford and it dropped a valve. Last 2 were Jasper.

    • @jamesofallthings3684
      @jamesofallthings3684 10 месяцев назад

      So he swapped a garbage engine for a couple trash engines.

  • @rhkips
    @rhkips 11 месяцев назад +1

    I guess the dealerships don't have time to care, but as an independent, all it takes it one new/reman longblock assembly coming apart for you to buy them, tear them down, and redo everything yourself like you were building it from scratch. The number of times I've found improperly torqued fasteners blows my mind.

  • @catranger01
    @catranger01 11 месяцев назад +7

    If the cats were ruined by the bad new engine shouldn't the dealer contribute a portion of their replacement?

  • @ApexHotShot
    @ApexHotShot 11 месяцев назад

    Ivan, this was an entertaining and educational video. Thanks. I must admit that when the title showed on my Subscriber notification, I thought you had gone pretty far off base, but I was wrong. Your diagnostic tools and techniques are not limited to just autos. Nicely done.

  • @simonjones7785
    @simonjones7785 10 месяцев назад

    fair doos to you Ivan you will tak on every make and model

  • @kevincampbell8298
    @kevincampbell8298 11 месяцев назад

    My guess on first one is pull that head of. Inspect head, maybe pooched head gasket or warped head… all that stuff got pushed out the exhaust and finished off the Cat.
    Love the transducer diag

  • @stevewhite3424
    @stevewhite3424 10 месяцев назад

    I don't know how but this video from ivan got past me So I may bet late to the party 😊
    First I keep hearing new engine thrown around while I think I heard ivan actually say it was a new short block which means the shop doing the replacement was responsible for the heads, the installation of the heads, et cetera. Regardless,, the fact that Ivan found a cylinder full of coolant absolutely points at your classic blown head gasket or.
    some kind of mechanical issue, such as a cracked cylinder wall, piston et cetera.
    If it was a long block, then the engine rebuilder is responsible, if it was a short block, the engine installer is responsible since tjey are tje.ones who intalled the heads.
    Either way, the shop that was ultimately paid to do the work is responsible to make the customer whole. And they are the ones who need to go fight the issue with either the installer or the rebuilder.
    Hope y'all have a great day! Heading to the beach to do some surf fishing and give the dog a good walk.

  • @AP9311
    @AP9311 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, I'm at loss for words for fake giving brand new engine to find major faults in it. Just wow. So you worked on 3 busses ? Damn, no question it needs to be warrantied!! Found on road dead lol. Hahaha. Nice diagnosis on all those v10s. It's nice to have the doghouse removed you work on them! Great video Ivan!!

  • @dustcommander100
    @dustcommander100 11 месяцев назад

    Good going! I didn't know V-10's were still around!

  • @keltecshooter
    @keltecshooter 11 месяцев назад +2

    The wheels on the bus go round and round !

  • @kellygibson7299
    @kellygibson7299 11 месяцев назад

    Ivan, I lost it seeing you sit in that bus. I will never be surprised where you turn up. You should do undercover dealer tech episodes as a newbie 🤣

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад

      He would never be able to go undercover, being the smartest man in the room.

  • @robertmoura6336
    @robertmoura6336 11 месяцев назад +3

    Good Day Ivan, to me if cat was plugged it would reflect high back pressure on all cyl in the bank of driver side, having said that just by clear flood crank the engine is shot and to make it worse with bad coils on top of it.
    Why not install new coils on this new engine since it's a pain to work on with the engine in place.

  • @brwesi
    @brwesi 11 месяцев назад

    Lot of hate on the V 10 in the comments. I own 4 of them from 99 to 08. 345,000 miles on the 99. A few coils, routine maintenance, all OEM fluids, synthetic oil Motorcraft filters. These trucks all work, no soccer mom rigs. We do all our own service. I love these engines.

  • @truracer20
    @truracer20 11 месяцев назад

    On my 2002 2v 6.8L I used accel coils. Only' 1 ever failed and it was warrantied. The motorcraft were substantially more expensive and more prone to failure. My coils always failed soft leading to fish bite misfires, other modular engines that I dealt with like my mother's 4.6L Lincoln only ever had coils fail hard leading to dead misses.

  • @frankvucolo6249
    @frankvucolo6249 11 месяцев назад +38

    So this company is obviously a multi-million dollar Ford customer and he has to call in a third party expert (Ivan) to diagnose warrantee problems? What is going on with Ford service! This is more than disturbing.

    • @alexdragomirescu5084
      @alexdragomirescu5084 11 месяцев назад +16

      A result of diversity hiring maybe?

    • @frankvucolo6249
      @frankvucolo6249 11 месяцев назад +10

      Congratulations, Alex. You just won the award for the most ignorant comment ever posted on You Tube. And that’s saying something.

    • @alexdragomirescu5084
      @alexdragomirescu5084 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@frankvucolo6249 really? If a multi-million company as you say is full of incompetent employees that are unable to do the job they were payed to do (in this case maintaining their vehicles) and need to call a third-party (which probably found on RUclips) I would say they hired not the best men for the job... if this possibile answer to your question disturbs you than maybe you shouldn't ask it... what's your possibile answer?

    • @frankvucolo6249
      @frankvucolo6249 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@alexdragomirescu5084 do you know what diversity hiring means? Your original comment implies that there is a connection between the ability to be a competent mechanic/technician and one’s age, race, gender, religion or sexual orientation. If you want to say that the dealership is hiring poor mechanics, that is a valid explanation. It’s when you attribute it to diversity hiring that you cross a line into the absurd and to an unhealthy bias. Perhaps you misused or misunderstood the term?

    • @alexdragomirescu5084
      @alexdragomirescu5084 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@frankvucolo6249 might have misunderstood the term in it's full meaning, but I wouldn't be surprised if the latte sipping girls from old "a day in a Twitter employee life" is managing at least the HR department at that company :)) The problem always starts from the top to down.

  • @comporangegt
    @comporangegt 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ford's reman engines are not known for their reliability. I had a 6.0 powerstroke that I installed at the dealer and the customer drove it on a trip afterwards. I was notified a few days later that it was coming back, customer said it was blowing oil out of the dipstick tube. Of course everyone was pointing the finger at me but after tearing the engine down, it had grenaded two rods/pistons. The truck still ran, just smoked like a freight train. I hope your customer gets his diag money back and his engines repaired properly. I have heard that there is a shortage of V10 reman engines. Our last V10 had to get rebuilt instead of a reman due to that reason.

  • @ecaparts
    @ecaparts 11 месяцев назад +2

    There are many videos on Ford 'quality' remanufacturered engines having problems. Concerned customers may notice something strange with the long block, only to disassemble and find out there is a complete disaster inside. Scratched, worn and out of tolerance crank journals. Broken bolts left in the block. AND mismatched piston sizes with one or two oversized pistons but all the others are standard bore. Thats quality right there! Will it work? Sure, maybe. But your spending a lot of money for a factory rebuild that you would expect to be better than this...

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Ivan!

  • @alanclark639
    @alanclark639 11 месяцев назад +1

    I reckon you've come across an American strain of a bug that I've often seen crop up here in the U.K. - it's rife in Corporate deals or to firms with large inventories - poor quality kit or services sent in relying on no one doing much checking. It was tried on me once I'm sure - on calling my local main Ford dealer for a guaranteed recon engine, I was offered a so called "brand new spanking York" in an original crate with docs for very little more money so did the deal. First suspicious thing - warning label to fit a new oil pump - in the sump (oil pan) on this model - called the dealer "are you sure this unit is NEW?" I didn't believe his "yes" so fitted the unit on a test bed - no comp on two cylinders (at least this saved me some work) on calling the dealer with the good news - he said he'd put into Ford's for diagnosis, I then quoted him some of our laws on merchantable quality etc., eventually - after much argument - he sent over another unit exactly the same as the first and the bill!!! I tested the second engine as if I worked for NASA before it went anywhere near a truck - it was fine and carried on working for over ten years.
    The dealer and I ended up in legals - all huff and puff from him, stack of evidence from me - he took it all the way to a court appearance and then failed to show up! The dear old Judge said "we take a very dim view of this kind of thing" and awarded me full costs.

  • @mikefoehr235
    @mikefoehr235 11 месяцев назад +2

    My nephew says the v10 is a v8 triton with two extra cylinders. The triton was the spark plug blower.

    • @ronfrance4041
      @ronfrance4041 11 месяцев назад +1

      I’m not a ford guy but I do know that the v10 was based on the 5.4. Same bore and stroke but share no parts

    • @hokie9910
      @hokie9910 11 месяцев назад

      Not good engines, such a dog.

  • @mmichaeldonavon
    @mmichaeldonavon 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ivan. Loved the diag. I guess that Ford used to make quality products - not anymore? I'm guessing the quality and knowledge of the techs. Just like in electronics: You hear, "what is a MOSFET? " AhhhDuhhhh. E=Mc2

  • @mikemurphy7519
    @mikemurphy7519 11 месяцев назад +2

    1) Checking spark like that is very wrong. Can fry coil, and if the spark jumps to a wiring harness, fry computers.
    2) Prior to checking compression you should have cranked with the injector disconnected to blow out all the unburnt gasoline
    3) #1 thing to check after an engine swap with misfires is the firing order where ignition cables, coil control plugs and or injectors are on the wrong cylinder.

  • @Garth2011
    @Garth2011 11 месяцев назад +4

    Sad...#2 bus will have its head gasket problem when the warranty is expired. I'd complain and pressure them to replace this engine as well, likely from the same bunch of motors as the first one. There's too much money on jobs like these to be a picky dealership..."a little rough" shouldn't be there on good money for a new engine.

    • @adamtrombino106
      @adamtrombino106 11 месяцев назад +1

      I agree. If Ivan can prove that the miss on 4 is not fuel or spark related, it should go back. Period. Also, in finding the coolant issues of bus #1, I would pressure test the heck out of #2 with that bore scope. I bet he finds coolant seepage. If those mills are official Ford remans, that is a real quality control issue. If they are outsourced for Ford, (local shop etc) I as a fleet customer would push the issue as high up as I could go with Ford.

  • @TheShop10
    @TheShop10 10 месяцев назад

    Ivan, since your traveling, you might have to go fix that element for Jake. 😅

  • @mykofreder1682
    @mykofreder1682 11 месяцев назад +1

    Given the age I would say poorly installed heads and gasket, poorly machined surfaces, etc. It would be interesting to have the engine on a stand and do a torque test on the head bolts. These are odd engines and I suspect they are sent out to be rebuilt as these buses and maybe trucks put the miles on.

  • @tiredoldmechanic1791
    @tiredoldmechanic1791 11 месяцев назад +1

    It has been said that Ford went to the V-10 so they always had at least 8 cylinders functioning.

  • @cclngthr
    @cclngthr 11 месяцев назад +6

    Question
    Were these engines a short block or long block? That points out to a bad rebuild from whoever rebuilt it or remanufactured it. I also suspect other issues to be present as well. The dealer supplier likely contributed to it and the dealer would have to go to the rebuilder to be reimbursed for the work.

    • @cccspokesmanandcofounder
      @cccspokesmanandcofounder 10 месяцев назад

      If the dealer did it they should’ve sold a Ford reman long block. That gives them another warranty with the engine. The fact the dealer is turning them away and the poor quality of the reman makes me feel like there is some cost cutting happening somewhere. Maybe cheap wholesale deals on NonFord reman engines, sourced by the bus company. Hence why the dealer washed their hands of it. Just my 2¢

  • @knowone6214
    @knowone6214 11 месяцев назад

    didn't think those Furd V10's were supposed to live very long...LOL

  • @carltonlane8931
    @carltonlane8931 11 месяцев назад

    On bus could you move a plug and coil form bus 1 ,swap tonics I know,but 1 engine is kaput,plus a very good use of a scope Ivan,thanks.

  • @davidlewis7658
    @davidlewis7658 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great diagnostic Ivan! Hmmm. #1 who sources these engines? Could they be "counterfeits" due to supply and demand where Ford or dealership or both use a 3rd party supplier without quality verification or lowest cost,etc? We've seem knock off parts in oem boxes where even a distributor didn't know they weren't true oem. A short or a long block engine might not have been received from a certified supplier vendor? Hey with all the corruption going on in industry or the support supplier network....Id wager at the end of the day, NOBODY bothers to check the quality or adherence to minimum standards of conformance! I worked as a machinist, assembler, taught SPC, spent 8 of my 27 years in QA as a grade A certified inspector covering everything from the inspection/tests of the raw materials to the finished product and everything in between! There is no way such a massive mistake could ever get this far UNLESS NOBODY EVER audited the supply chain. Holy S%*t!!! We are ALL in deep do-do......and things are about to break down like no one has EVER SEEN BEFORE. Thanks for all you do, Ivan! We need more individuals with your skillsets if we are to survive this automotive apocalypse!🕵🙏😍

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад

      Jeeze, you are right, just buy a Tesla. I did.

  • @MrKingdavis13
    @MrKingdavis13 11 месяцев назад +1

    It is pretty sad when the stealership installs a multi thousand dollar engine and lets it leave running worse than when it arrived. Makes you wonder if the problem is deeper than the place replacing garbage with garbage doesn't it?

  • @claudenewman3440
    @claudenewman3440 11 месяцев назад

    My 2012 f450 bucket truck has the v10 and just developed a rattle and misfire. The rattle stopped and the misfire got worse. 143k miles. My company has decided to replace the engine (with a Jasper) instead of surplusing the truck. I hope it turns out well lol

    • @The_Sword3
      @The_Sword3 11 месяцев назад +3

      Jasper engines USED to be good. They are junk now. My company used them for years up until 10 years ago.because they kept failing at an alarming rate.

  • @sneaks01
    @sneaks01 11 месяцев назад

    Yay!! Ithaca!! I’m in Ithaca as well!

  • @idahofur
    @idahofur 10 месяцев назад

    Its just so hard to get good stuff anymore. Yes, I understand stuff can happen. Seems like every time I turn around. Stuff just get worse and I'm not even an Auto Anything.

  • @RJTC
    @RJTC 11 месяцев назад +1

    Did the shop only do a short engine swap, using heads etc. from the original engines?
    That could explain badly fitted heads, valve clearances messed up etc. if whoever did the work was inexperienced (or jut bad)..

  • @truracer20
    @truracer20 11 месяцев назад +2

    THIS is the 3 valve and they had valve train issues. But a refurbished engine shouldn't have the issues.

  • @garrettlombardi443
    @garrettlombardi443 11 месяцев назад +2

    Wonder if the cat was plugged before the engine swap and caused some of these issues

    • @garrettlombardi443
      @garrettlombardi443 11 месяцев назад

      Sounds like they should do a cat swap with the engine swaps im sure those buses do alot of idling

  • @roxanneabbott8424
    @roxanneabbott8424 11 месяцев назад

    Wow that's crazy!! Cool video!!

  • @tedmoss
    @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад +1

    Back in 1960 when I was 17 my twin brother and I managed to get a 1940 Chevy 6 cyl half block, went to the junkyard and got an old worn out head, hand ground the valves and put it together without any help from anybody. It ran like a top and even started at 40 below zero. Are there no good mechanics left for the dealers? I took my 2008 Nissan to the dealer and they couldn't find out what was wrong with it, even though I know what it is. I'm still looking for a way to fix it.

  • @billjohnson2000
    @billjohnson2000 11 месяцев назад +8

    Someone forgot to torque the heads.

    • @theblackhand6485
      @theblackhand6485 11 месяцев назад +1

      ...exactly my thoughts!

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад

      Judging by the look of that gasket, I'd say that or they used the old bolts. Or both. Or didn't check for flatness, or etc. I don't see how it ran at all. With all the engines I worked on, and there hasn't been that many, I never had a problem, it was always the other guy that didn't know what he was doing when there was a problem. (Like not putting in the oil pump driver rod in a 1954 Ford).

  • @brianw8963
    @brianw8963 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting. I would guess that perhaps the clogged cats caused the damage if they were ran for a while.Whoever did the work should be responsible. 👍👍🇺🇸

  • @RussellBooth1977
    @RussellBooth1977 11 месяцев назад

    i am a Holden whose going to tell you now that im Australia that's a Stephen Ford form,I learned to avoid that mechanic as far as having one of theirs touch my car.
    I replaced the cylinder head gaskets in my 5.7 litre Chevrolet LS1 V8 engine almost 5 years ago since I replaced the hydraulic lifters meaning that I had to unbolt the cylinder heads to replace them & that form of employer who had me employed as a casual/contractor hasn't wanted to employ me as an electrician ever again.
    So what else can I say ss a Holden ?
    I think that Ford drew a circle around the problem !

  • @arsinoeivlostprincess4228
    @arsinoeivlostprincess4228 10 месяцев назад

    Halfway into this I had the thought that bus is thirty or more feet long with an exhaust pipe a little long than that with a cat of some kind a muffler and some kind of resonator. Must build up a lot of pressure not to mention standing waves and that sort of thing. Prob has nothing to do with it. Since I'm here halfway and open to guesses timing chain? Harness plugs going to the wrong coil? Back to the real action.

  • @PandaMan02
    @PandaMan02 11 месяцев назад +6

    if the shop only got a block, and swapped the heads, they may not have torqued them right.

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis 11 месяцев назад

      Or heads may not be flat.

    • @PandaMan02
      @PandaMan02 11 месяцев назад

      @@ferrumignis i'm thinking its more likely they didn't install cylinder heads right, because it isn't as likely that multiple engine swaps results in warped heads.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  11 месяцев назад +2

      It was a long block I believe...

  • @miketaylor6282
    @miketaylor6282 11 месяцев назад +1

    They must’ve bought and installed Jasper engines. 🤦‍♂️

  • @user-wu8pb5tk8s
    @user-wu8pb5tk8s 11 месяцев назад

    As an old, retired mechanic. not too up to date with electronic equipment, would it have been just as easy to start with the basics, providing things can be got at, with my old compression gauge, vacuum gauge and pull the coils and look at spark length and colour as well as coolant pressure test?

  • @2491kridge
    @2491kridge 11 месяцев назад

    Ivan can I ask you a pretty detailed question and maybe spit ball me some ideas, I’m not the best at network problems but have learned a lot from you and really wanna figure this one out. It’s a late production 2018 F250 6.2 crew cab, somehow it starts and drives but literally nothing else on the car works. Topology report shows HS1 and HS2 as the only 2 trees. You can communicate with the PCM, BCMII, and BCM-B on the HS1 network and then every single other module on the car is down, the entire HS2 tree. On wiring diagram it shows the car has HS1 HS2 HS3 MS1 MS2 and MS3, all of those networks go into the gateway module which is the back side of the DLC connector, it’s a little module box that the dlc comes out of. From the front side of the dlc when I scope HS1 the network looks fine but when I scope HS2 it looks like the network is being pulled down most of the time. First of all how come all of these networks go into the gateway module but topology shows all of the networks on HS1 or HS2? How would you go about taking the next step on something like this? Any ideas would be appreciated

  • @Cowboy_Ash
    @Cowboy_Ash 11 месяцев назад

    Next on Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics: this 1561 ox is running a little rough, just can’t pull the plow like it used to !!

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад

      We are back to the electric car, not the horse and ox.

  • @calholli
    @calholli 11 месяцев назад +1

    If it's a 265psi pressure transducer, then why does the pico setting only say 135psi? (If I'm wrong, please correct me-- but you can see the setting above every waveform you show on screen). Even your "known good" said it was only 75psi.. I'm not even sure an engine can run at all that low. You typically see 120psi to 150psi. 135 (pico setting) is virtually half of 265 (transducer rating).. so if you double your readings, that would make a lot more sense. The cylinder with 75psi would be actually 150psi.. and the 45psi cylinder would be actually 90psi... which is definitely a bit low. The cylinder full of water is a smoking gun though. I just wonder if they re=used the old head bolts maybe? Or maybe they didn't even get torqued down properly? strange video

  • @user-tu6jm1un3n
    @user-tu6jm1un3n 10 месяцев назад

    Must be a Tim Gentry deal! In flight missel repair!!!!!!!

  • @neilmurphy845
    @neilmurphy845 11 месяцев назад +1

    That's crazy a blown head gasket on a brand new engine

  • @vpimike2646
    @vpimike2646 11 месяцев назад +4

    Great job Ivan. You were all over this pig. LOL. I think you might have found a dozen more problems with it if you kept going. They must have gotten these engines out of the junkyard without any verification.

    • @trevorvanbremen4718
      @trevorvanbremen4718 11 месяцев назад

      By 'junkyard', I assume you mean Furd HQ right?
      The only reason Furd BUILT a V10 was so that there were two 'spare' cylinders right from the outset...

  • @michaelkane732
    @michaelkane732 11 месяцев назад

    time for some new busses

  • @mikemurphy7519
    @mikemurphy7519 11 месяцев назад

    6:38 Look at the slant of the compression peaks, this is a major indicator that you missed.

  • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
    @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 11 месяцев назад +1

    Groovy! A bus 🙂
    Crazy fault on a supposedly new engine! Crappy engine swap by dealer! Superb diagnostic, Ivan! Pressure transducer is an absolute must! Were the cylinder heads properly torqued?

  • @philh9238
    @philh9238 11 месяцев назад +2

    Maybe the manifolds aren’t restricted. Maybe it’s a cam issue not allowing the exhaust valve to open fully?

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 11 месяцев назад +1

      What do you mean? The cam leaks coolant to the cylinder with the wrong timing?? 😅

    • @philh9238
      @philh9238 11 месяцев назад

      He said that on cylinder number 10. Thought the manifold was restricted at higher rpm. @@rkan2

    • @joemilton7552
      @joemilton7552 11 месяцев назад

      Was wondering this too with the apparent exhaust restriction. He also mentioned the cat was plugged but didn't see him check that, maybe did some checks off camera?

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад

      @@rkan2 O yea that have eyes but cannot see!

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 11 месяцев назад

      @@joemilton7552 Back-pressure. I was able to figure that one out without any tools except my brain on a 2003 Jeep Liberty. I even mentioned it to another person that had the problem.

  • @craigtegeler4677
    @craigtegeler4677 11 месяцев назад

    Wasn't that 2012 era that these V10's would blow the spark plugs out of the cylinder head?? A friend of mine had
    a pickup with the V10 and nothing but troubles of having to take it back to the dealer and if not the spark plugs
    were being blown out, stripped threads and 3 different brands of spark plugs and if that wasn't enough, coils had
    to be replaced and if that wasn't enough, it was problems upon problems, three and four problems time and again;
    well that truck of his spent nearly 3 months at the dealer. This truck didn't even have 60K miles on it and once my
    friend had enough of the dealer's bs, he flat out got rid of it and bought a Dodge Ram Diesel for his new work truck.
    I'd have to say that these V10's weren't worth the powder to blow them to hell! He had a fortune in repair bills that
    wasn't covered under warranty either!! When things go so horribly wrong with these V10's, get rid of them as fast
    as you possibly can, is what I say! They tend to be absolute junk and to just think of just how many vehicles had
    this engine is even more scarier yet! We're talking about some motor homes, buses of course, pickups and yes
    some cars as well and to actually trust these types of repairs being done by the dealers is even scarier yet!

  • @railmeat
    @railmeat 11 месяцев назад +1

    Isn't 60 psi too low in any cylinder? I don't think that would be acceptable in a replaced engine.

    • @justliberty4072
      @justliberty4072 11 месяцев назад +1

      I think it is reasonable with a pressure transducer in a cylinder that is just idling. Remember, you are not cranking and building up pressure in a pressure gauge with a one-way Schrader valve in it with the throttle held wide open. This is the pressure in the cylinder on one stroke: all of the pressure is relieved each time the exhaust valve opens and none is stored between strokes and the air sucked in is at intake manifold pressure.

    • @railmeat
      @railmeat 11 месяцев назад

      @@justliberty4072 Thanks for the explanation, I did not think of that.

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv 11 месяцев назад

    That coolant was a surprise, were they buying engines that were from a scrap yard and all of them had a warped head due to overheating.
    i blame the dealer ship, no reason lol.

  • @myfastcars
    @myfastcars 7 месяцев назад

    PLEASE tell us theres a FOLLOW UP Video coming on what the remedy to this was/is. Does the dealer make the issue right???

  • @abdouallahuniverse5689
    @abdouallahuniverse5689 10 месяцев назад

    How do you test cylinder compression with clogged catalytic converter, you should have at least removed the Cat and run the compression test.

  • @joelwingert7700
    @joelwingert7700 11 месяцев назад

    Hello Ivan. Seems like you're the person to ask this after watching your videos. I have a 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 and getting various code on my cheap scanner ike P0882, P1603, ABS no comm, etc, etc. I live in PA but am about 130 miles from you. If I was closer, guess where my Jeep would be. I have an electronics degree and about over 40 years of shade-tree automotive repair experience, but never had a decent scanner. I need to get deeper into these issues and was wondering what scanner would suffice? I was looking at that King Bolen but is there anything less expensive that will do everything that I need? I've searched RUclips far and wide and it seems like alot of the scanner videos, well, it just seems like they are trying to promote the free scanner that they got. I'm also looking at getting a Picoscope and I've done all I can with my Fluke DVM so anyway any help in the scanner area would be appreciated.

  • @vwwrenchie314
    @vwwrenchie314 11 месяцев назад

    Ford old school motto. "QUALITY IS JOB ONE."...2023. "we don't care"😂

  • @GregoryGlessnerViolin
    @GregoryGlessnerViolin 11 месяцев назад +1

    8:25 I'm wondering if the driver's side bank jumped time.
    Edit: That's not the issue 😂

  • @WillKlaver
    @WillKlaver 11 месяцев назад +1

    .. everything went sideways when they started putting all that Plastic in & On an engine, so i guess they figured they'd Cheap Out Across the board, it's Junk when you get it.. 💯

    • @NickAlexander_is_Awesome
      @NickAlexander_is_Awesome 11 месяцев назад

      Absolutely, it blows my mind that manufacturers decided to use plastic on things that really should never be anything but metal, such as using plastic intake on ford modular 4.6. wouldn't you know it, it cracks and then causes coolant to leak. Requires replacement with a dorman brand that's supposed to be an "upgraded design"

  • @cluelessbeekeeping1322
    @cluelessbeekeeping1322 10 месяцев назад

    Unbelievable!

  • @normanj1975
    @normanj1975 11 месяцев назад

    Someone has not been too bothered about their work. Maybe a Friday job, get away early to the pub, like they do in the UK.

  • @davide.s.9880
    @davide.s.9880 11 месяцев назад

    You said it was ticking. Could there be something miss adjusted in the valve train on those cylinders be causing this?

  • @michaelgraham2347
    @michaelgraham2347 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bad converters on new engine will blow the head gaskets