Saul Tarvitz choosing to go down to istvaan 3 knowing the outcome was one of the most beautiful moments in the Heresy and my hate for lucius will never diminish.
@@Bread-nx9fothat's probably why he charged down there, despite knowing how much it'd piss horus off and delay the heresy. Couldn't stand to watch his sons die in ignominy instead of glorious battle.
These brave sons of the Emperor were no longer Emperirors Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, or Sons of Horus. They were True Emperors Children, War Hounds, Dusk Raiders, and Luna Wolves.
This makes me wish that the theory that the legion of the damned are the souls of the Istvaan 3 loyalists is true. They were the best of the imperium and deserve another chance to get their revenge.
The HH novel Master of Mankind more or less confirms this theory when the Emperor summons the dead led by Ferrus to hold the web way. Regardless the dead of Istvaan will not be forgotten, nor shall their death be forgiven.
@@samuelbaerg5820bruh how does that confirm it at all lol the Legion of the Damned is never name dropped in that novel and the description in master of mankind is vastly different from any other mention of the damned. Lastly he also summon ferrus manus and ferrus is never seen or mentioned in any appearance of the damned legion
The world eaters fighting Angron even though they knew that they'd die just showed how much they hated their Primarch and what he turned their legion into.
There's a short story from the POV of a loyalist World Eater that manages to ''cut'' Angron during the massacre, and Angron kneels beside him and honors him for achieving the impossible of hurting a primarch.
"Even through the pain, Temeter understood. There was a small fracture in the old warrior’s ceramite casing, not enough to have slowed him on the battlefield, but more than the virus needed to reach inside the Dreadnought’s hull and savage the remnants of flesh inside. ‘You… lied.’ ‘Veteran’s prerogative,’ came the reply. ‘We’ll go together then, shall we?’ Huron-Fal asked, embracing Temeter’s body to him, moving swiftly away from the bunker. It took every last effort from Temeter to nod. Blinded now, he could feel the tissues of his eyes burning and shrivelling in his head, the soft meat of his lips and tongue dissolving. Huron-Fal’s systems were on the verge of shut-down as he stumbled to a safe distance, skidding to a halt. ‘This death,’ rasped the voder, ‘this death is ours. We choose it. We deny you your victory.’ With a single burning nerve impulse, the mind of the warrior at the heart of the Dreadnought uncoupled the governor controls on his compact fusion generator and let it overload. For a moment there was a tiny star on the battered plains outside the Choral City, marking two more lives lost within a maelstrom of murder."
Tarvitz was right, you know. The Loyalists at Istvaan did hurt the Traitors. Horus had wished it to end quickly, and thanks to the Loyalists, it took far longer and took far more resources than Horus wished to use. Plus their efforts allowed some of the Loyalists, like Nathanial Garro, to escape and warn the Imperium. They died better men than any traitor that survived.
*Istvaan III* It haunts my dreams, it haunts me that fathers could so readily slaughter their sons, it haunts me that such men as the Primarch's could so readily abandon reason and fall into twisted echos of themselves. The flames of Istvann III, they haunt my dreams.
Man, if they made an animation of the battle of Istvaan 3, I would genuinely break down in tears for hours. That shit has so many emotional, glorious scenes of pure loyalty and betrayal.
Just one Film. Title it simply Istvaan 3. Don't waste time going into how they got there, don't bother to explain to those who do not know. Let it be for those who do know, and let that be enough. End with a zoom out from the prescentors palice, with this narration going as the credits roll up the screen, and the palice collapses into dust. Linger on the rubble being pounded still, and let it end with the dust settling, just as the final credit rolls up. One last lingering shot of that place for a few seconds.
Just imagine.... Just imagine they'd pulled a Halo on Istvaan. I mean the big ass diorama. Where was it.... Ah, here, ruclips.net/video/40jdpzrpIps/видео.htmlfeature=shared , I mean like this.
Saul Tarvitz and Ancient Rylanor were pillars of what the Emperors Children were supposed to be. Although the legions fought for mankind, Fulgrim and his Emperors Children and were supposed to be the best of us, showing how mankind must strive to better ourselves, and how beautiful we could’ve become. Those two Astartes make the true Fulgrim proud to call them his sons
Well the true lesson about beauty that was supposed to be learned from the Emperors children and more specifically Fulgrim was to learn that your faults are what make you beautiful. But Fulgrim was a little too dense to get it.
I pity the Emperor’s Children. The emperor gave them such lofty expectations, but never the manpower or the tools to do it. So much expected of them that they wore themselves thin. If Fulgrim had been told about chaos and it’s devious ways…maybe he wouldn’t have wielded the corrupt blade…maybe he would have allied with the Emperor with a sane mind…maybe he would have asked for help instead of choked on his pride.
@@LongWarEnjoyerIf I recall correctly, not really. Shortly before Istvaan III happened when Fulgrim was seperated from that blade for a long time he had a moment of clarity, realizing what Horus was going to and was about to order his ships to open fire on the Vengeful Spirit to stop his madness but then somebody brought the blade to him and it took control of his mind again.
There’s something in me that breaks when I hear Saul ask if what they did mattered. This is a Transhuman demigod who’s probably been fighting wars for longer I’ve been alive, but when he says that it’s hard to not remember, “yeah that’s a child solider who probably wanted to be a hero or something once upon a time isn’t he?”
To me , the events of Istvaan III diminishes any justification for the Heresy. Any personal grudges and pains that the fallen 9 have suffered fall apart because of this. Both the loyalists and the traitors lived in an equally ungratefull galaxy , the difference is the traitors gave up and chosen the path of least resistance where the loyalist choose to push on and live with the pain. Hence why the traitors are eternaly damned , and that all their reasons of treason have lost their weight.
@@Cptraktorn We can all agreed that most traitors were either tricked, or force to become chaos puppets. Even Horus himself was tricked...but we can all agree...FUCK EREBUS!
@@Cptraktorn Not all. Many of them simply followed their primarch. And many primarchs fell due to their own stupidity. Horus: because he didnt resisted Chaos corruption. Fulgrim: because he didnt resisted daemon inside layer blade. Magnus: due to his arrogance Lorgal: because he was a stupid idiot, not understanding that Emperor wasn't a god. Mortarion: he was salty about that "kill steal" (Emperor saved his life) Konrad: just insane Alpharius: believed some xenos that Emperor want him to betray Imperium. Perturabo: he was jealous. Angron: OK, he was right. Emperor just left him to die with butcher's nails. Just blaming chaos is bad excuse. You can resist Chaos in most cases, and at start many traitors weren't Chaos-corrupted at start. Out of all primarchs, only Angron was right to betray Emperor.
I remember really thinking this during Angel Exterminatus. There is an attempted assassination on Fulgrim by a Raven Guard, and Perturabo screams about how dare the loyalists sink to such a low, and how horrid and without honour they must be. All this, after he mowed down his brothers in the back at istvaan. Pathetic.
To be fair, Horus technically died on Davin 4, and a form of himself held up by Warp corruption of his "soul" animated his corpse. I believe it was Fulgrim that stated Horus died back on Davin to Lorgar in Slaves to Darkness. That's why the Emperor vaporizes Horus from existence to prevent that from happening again at the end of the Heresy.@@averagetachyonlanceenjoyer1129
Craziest part, the "lost looking World-Eaters" might've looked lost because they had already been implanted with the Butchers Nail by Angron after he took control of his legion, many space marines in the legion dying in the procedure. After surviving all of that, being forced to kill their brothers if they couldn't overtake worlds in 31 hours, and having all their emotions and souls ripped apart and consumed by an uncontrollable rage and unyielding pain...they stayed loyal.
All they sacrificed only for their father to simply spit on any loyalty he had for his sons. Vistario was more right than he realized when he said to Fulgrim “… he deserves better than you, he deserves better than all of us.”
All who stood against the traitors were....World Eaters, Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children and Death Guard....no They were the Dusk Raiders, Luna Wolves, War Hounds and the Third...they were the emperors chosen...they were his shining light in the darkness....they were his avenging angels. Captains... Saul Tarvitz Solomon Demeter Garviel Loken Tarik Torgaddon Ullis Temeter Captain Ehrlen The Imperium's finest.
the world eaters are the most tragic of the legions in my opinion. Warriors trying to do anything to gain approval from a father (angron) who was so wrapped up in his own tragedy and trauma of not dying with his brothers that he tortured his sons and ordered them to have the butchers nails implanted in everyone. They obeyed to gain the approval of him and he killed the ones who refused to turn traitor even after the nails at Istvaan 3
i think there were a bunch of death guard marines still out there, but because they were absolute units, they survived the virus bombing outside the safety of the temple. hence why none of them were in the temple with the rest.
This was a maddeningly cool book, from the hopeless and confused battle against their own legions, to the terrifying appearance of Angron tearing through ranks of astartes, to the real-time description of the planet’s virus-bombing, to the betrayal and battle between best friends Tarvitz and Lucius. The final quarter of this book made it worth slogging through some of the other Horus Heresy books that could have easily been shortened to pamphlets
There are abridged versions of the early books. They are actually pretty good. They change some roles and eliminate some characters. They reach the same conclusions. Different narrator but I like him equally.
I remember this scene. It was the lost World Eaters that stuck in my mind. You can picture their faces, contorted in an expression of "Why!?". Great scene, great book. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor.
No other story in 30k/40k makes me as emotional as the last stand of the remaining loyalists of the traitor legions. They didn’t even have the benefit of believing in a God-Emperor to protect their souls after death, only the adamantine love for each other, and the glory of spitting horus in the face for his treachery. They were true heroes of the Imperium.
For 40k, for sure. I like Keeble a lot more in Warhammer Fantasy though, like in Gotrek and Felix. Something about Keeble doesn't fit Space Marines to me.
@@Yorvics I'm a big UM simp. But Istvaan III made me fall in love with the Loyalists from the Traitor legions. I'm glad the Algorithm led me to finding this too.
how this community is aching for great adaptation. If anyone is ever able to turn this into something deserving it will be some of the most bombastic entertainment ever created
Yes Istvaan III was a dreary campaign indeed, we many lost many sleeper agents during that conflict but they died nudging the game in the right direction…
While this is all happening as the last of the loyalists are bombarded Somewhere on the planets destroyed and desolate planes Roams the last luna wolf the one who hunts down the brothers that betrayed him who hunts down the father that betrayed him And even deeper in the planet the ancient rests for a plan of vengeance blooms for a billion nights
That plan of vengeance gave a wound so deep to a twisted shell of a man that is immune to most harm, that of a wound to the pride of a thin skined and prideful husk who only had his ego left
@@Hot_Garbage__ Siege of Terra volume 4, Saturnite. Context/Spoilers below: Loken is taking part in the defense of Terra. Dorn learns of a weakpoint in the foundations in one section of the imperial palace (not in the center, the palace is basically a large city, but still behind the frontline). He, correctly, assumes that Perturabo would learn of this and assumes, correctly again, his counterpart would send the best he had available in a strike force using assault drill pods to try and create a breach there. These best are the elite of the Sons of Horus, with the entire Mourneval (Abbadon, Horus Aximand, Torgaddon, Kibre) and terminator elite. Maybe Perturabo expected the trap or not, the Sons of Horus walk right into it. Nearly three companies of elite SoH are wiped out, either killed directly or sealed in liquid ferrocrete. Only Abaddon can escape, Torgaddon and Kibre die in the battle. Horus Aximand, after having the crew of his drill slaughtered by Blood Angels, manages to escape through the combat zones of the underground basement system they were fighting in. He is confronted however by Loken, who in preparation has styled his armor in colour and livery of the old Lunar Wolves. Aximand, already suffering from claustrophobia and madness, mistakes Loken for a ghost, then a nightmare, which is the quote above. He dies at the hands of Loken.
Saul Tarvitz and Nathaniel Garro two people in 40k I have nothing but respect and admiration for. Perfect examples of loyalist paragons, both individuals who had more Humanity than most of the Primarchs.
In 'The Infinate and The Divine' Trazyn explains that he collected astarties and recreated various battles from the Horus heresy, it's likely he also witnessed the Rebelion of Istvaan, but I doubt he would have taken anything from the final bombing, focusing more on the bigger battles.
@@lachlanmacrae1779 He didn't care for Humanity until after the Heresy started, and was so surprised that he rushed to collect, so he would not have been in time to cop the Chads from Istvaan III. His biggest expo is that of the Dropsite Massacre.
I don't know if this will make anyone feel better. But Trazyn stole a whole bunch of randoms from this battle. so no matter what, exactly 1 skeletal boi built a gallery to remember this conflict, it and they accompanying Istvan IV peice are very impressive portions of the Gallery dedicated to the Herasy.
Wouldn't it be great if Saul Tarvitz was among them, and he and Clonegrim get the chance to not only rebuild the Emperors Children Legion but also lay a righteous amd perfect smack down on Daemon Fulgrim, Lucius and Eidolon?
Yes. It mattered all. They kept the Traitors tied down so Dorn could prepare defenses, for Sanguinius to rally the defense again and again, and finally the time Roboute needed to make all the way back to avenge the fallen. Isstvan 3 was a loyalist victory and everyone traded their lives for it.
because they are. they have a human soul and that will always shine through. even the primarchs, warp-infused demigods, are fundamentally and painfully human in their character and flaws. it's one of the finest themes of the setting imho. keeps things grounded in a sense
With so much unlimited amount of lore and content, it is easy to forget this tragedy, so i have to go bsck every once in a while to not forget, Tarvitz is one of the greates unsung heroes of the Imperium
I feel empty. no images just words and music make it all. I don't know when my tears will flow but i'm sure they will. Remember brothers FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
The Death Guard and World Eaters Loyalists were deployed in trenches far away from the fortifications that the other Loyalists were in, and only had a few bunkers to fit into before the virus bombs struck, so mostly perished and far away.
The few of the death guard who survived did not reach the Palace and rather chose to remain in the trench system and mount their resistance there, it took month for the traitors to dislodge them, they actually set up artillery positions and gave back the traitors a taste of their own medicine.
they were deployed further away from the temple and were too far away to make it to the temple. didnt stop some absolute giga chads from the death guard to walk of the virus bombing and fight on from the trench lines anyway.
And that... sublime miracle, is why warhammer 30k is beautiful. Something to be said, about the difference between horus heresy space marines and space marines as seen in 40k. 40k has some great character, and its really great but space marines are often just colored as just being stubborn, brutal, violent, maniacs that refuse to learn anything at all. Where as, before and at the start of the heresy, space marines we meet are actually...Humans. This video hits me where I live man.
"As Saul Tarvitz and the few remaining loyalist Astartes looked up at the skies, they knew their doom had finally come. As the explosions raged around them, they knew they had remained loyal to the Emperor. Right to the very end."- Janovich, Introduction to the Horus Heresy Lore 02- Galaxy in Flames.
"shooting stars punch through the dark clouds overhead, scorching holes through which the stars could be seen. The stars shone down on the coral city in time to watch the city die" such a beautifully sad imagery, 40k writing can be so peak sometimes
3-5 books in? I agree that there were some mild books and some that didn’t even interest me enough to buy… but 5 books is way to early to call the series end. There are still masterpieces like legion, prospero burns, know no fear, fear to tread, betrayer, the unremembered empire, Pharos, the master of mankind, Ruinstorm, wolfsbane… not to mention pretty much every book in the siege of terra being utterly amazing!
Fuck can you imagine how great a live action Istvaan 3 would be if they build it up? Like that would be one of thee greatest story telling of film making of all time if done right.
Hearing all this happen as sad as it as that all these amazing men, brothers in arms who chose loyalty to a greater cause over that of their gene father makes the revenge that rylanor gets for all of them so much sweeter
I hate that this is so well written and well narrated, and all I can think is that the narrator sounds like he should be reading Thomas the tank engine.
Chaos Fans Before reading Galaxy in Flames: "Ha! Yes! The glorious revolt against the CORPSE EMPEROR SHALL BEGIN!! DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" Chaos Fans After Reading Galaxy in Flames:... ....fuck you Horus.
I come back to this video cause this is how I think on my life and most of what I deal with just helps idk know I'm defeated but I'd never give in knowing I did do something while being nothing ... Idk just wanna not feel so bad but hey lol that's life
Even if they where super human the sensation feeled by the loyalistes of the traitor legion must have been awful. They where betrayed and sent to die by there own farhers, beings for whome most of them had the deepest love and admiration
Saul Tarvitz choosing to go down to istvaan 3 knowing the outcome was one of the most beautiful moments in the Heresy and my hate for lucius will never diminish.
The sad irony that Lucius would have died that day had it not been for Tarvitz.
Ngl this for me was the definition of “Emotional Damage”
This cueball can anybody tell me what's the music in the background of the Estevan three Massacre itay is so moving my wife and kids love it
There were only two true heros of Emperor Children Rylanor and Saul Tarvitz
@@chenbeixuan9184 Don’t forget Solomon Demeter his death was also devastating he deserved better.
Every loyalist who died there were better men than any traitor who survived.
The EMPEROR knows their names
Don't mourn their loss. They were built for war and are a farcry from men as we know them to be.
It is better to die for the emperor than live for yourself
no one was born cool *flips down thingy* except for: members of traitor leigons who stayed loyalist
@@nowhere474 of course I do
The "lost looking world eaters" breaks my heart. At the end of the day theyre all just kids who don't understand why their dad hates them
Considering the World Eaters had the most loyalists out of all traitor legions they understood something.
Ironically, Angron had more respect for those that fought on Istvaan 3 against him then he did for his own traitor forces
@@Bread-nx9fothat's probably why he charged down there, despite knowing how much it'd piss horus off and delay the heresy. Couldn't stand to watch his sons die in ignominy instead of glorious battle.
@@epiceg9464Who's a slave at that point, and a slave to whom?
Tragedy at every corner.
the worst part is they had the butcher's nail .. and yet :'(
The Tragedy of Istvan III was so great that Roboute Guilliman, primarch of the Ultramaries was on verge of tears when he learned about this massacre.
Wait really? What book is it from?
@@RenMagnum4057 the Bible
Really? What book is it from?
@@RenMagnum4057 Rules of Engagement by Graham Mcneil, apart of the Age of Darkness series I believe
@@BlackSRaziel Rules of Engagement by Graham Mcneil, apart of the Age of Darkness series I believe
*Let it be forever known there were more loyalist World Eaters on Istvaan III than all the other legions...*
That is because they were had enough of Angrons BS and his murderous/uncaring leadership.
And one of them nearly cut off Angron's head. Based as hell
@@benjamintim3542 And the marine who nearly did it actually got treated as a son by Angron and even getting him to smile.
These brave sons of the Emperor were no longer Emperirors Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, or Sons of Horus. They were True Emperors Children, War Hounds, Dusk Raiders, and Luna Wolves.
Loyalists to the very end
Damn this comment hits diff😔
@@CoolSmoovie Who's Diff and why are you hitting him?!
@@CoolSmoovie This video and comment hit me to the very bottom of my heart.
@@frogblasttheventcore69Dorn moment
This makes me wish that the theory that the legion of the damned are the souls of the Istvaan 3 loyalists is true. They were the best of the imperium and deserve another chance to get their revenge.
The HH novel Master of Mankind more or less confirms this theory when the Emperor summons the dead led by Ferrus to hold the web way.
Regardless the dead of Istvaan will not be forgotten, nor shall their death be forgiven.
The legion of the damned are more or less confirmed to be the souls of dead astartes from across all periods of the imperium.
That would ruin the conclusion
Not only them, but other heroes are counted among them, like Ventanus of the Ultramarines.
@@samuelbaerg5820bruh how does that confirm it at all lol the Legion of the Damned is never name dropped in that novel and the description in master of mankind is vastly different from any other mention of the damned. Lastly he also summon ferrus manus and ferrus is never seen or mentioned in any appearance of the damned legion
The world eaters fighting Angron even though they knew that they'd die just showed how much they hated their Primarch and what he turned their legion into.
The inverse is equally tragic when you recall that according to Angron himself, the only true sons he ever possessed died by his hand that day.
@@zachdelozier2133 he ever honoured them in their death, from a gladiator to a gladiator
@@zachdelozier2133 Makes sense, they died fighting for what they believed in, much like he himself intended to do back during his gladiator days...
There's a short story from the POV of a loyalist World Eater that manages to ''cut'' Angron during the massacre, and Angron kneels beside him and honors him for achieving the impossible of hurting a primarch.
@@christianblair8663 what is the name of this story? I just finished reading volume 3 of the Horus Heresy..
"Even through the pain, Temeter understood. There was a small fracture in the old warrior’s ceramite casing, not enough to have slowed him on the battlefield, but more than the virus needed to reach inside the Dreadnought’s hull and savage the remnants of flesh inside. ‘You… lied.’
‘Veteran’s prerogative,’ came the reply. ‘We’ll go together then, shall we?’ Huron-Fal asked, embracing Temeter’s body to him, moving swiftly away from the bunker. It took every last effort from Temeter to nod. Blinded now, he could feel the tissues of his eyes burning and shrivelling in his head, the soft meat of his lips and tongue dissolving.
Huron-Fal’s systems were on the verge of shut-down as he stumbled to a safe distance, skidding to a halt. ‘This death,’ rasped the voder, ‘this death is ours. We choose it. We deny you your victory.’
With a single burning nerve impulse, the mind of the warrior at the heart of the Dreadnought uncoupled the governor controls on his compact fusion generator and let it overload. For a moment there was a tiny star on the battered plains outside the Choral City, marking two more lives lost within a maelstrom of murder."
im not crying , your crying!
@@MrAdamske seems to be a rain here even if the sun is out.
The last sentence made me cry when I was reading that book yesterday. It hit way too hard.
I mean I was not crying of course. It was just fire alarm.
Tarvitz was right, you know. The Loyalists at Istvaan did hurt the Traitors. Horus had wished it to end quickly, and thanks to the Loyalists, it took far longer and took far more resources than Horus wished to use. Plus their efforts allowed some of the Loyalists, like Nathanial Garro, to escape and warn the Imperium. They died better men than any traitor that survived.
*Istvaan III* It haunts my dreams, it haunts me that fathers could so readily slaughter their sons, it haunts me that such men as the Primarch's could so readily abandon reason and fall into twisted echos of themselves.
The flames of Istvann III, they haunt my dreams.
It is why the traitor ideals are wrong. They say the Father (big E) betrayed them, and yet they decide to betray their own sons.
Man, if they made an animation of the battle of Istvaan 3, I would genuinely break down in tears for hours. That shit has so many emotional, glorious scenes of pure loyalty and betrayal.
The book is one of the best pieces of fiction I had ever read. It was this book that convinced me to read all of the HH books lol
Just one Film. Title it simply Istvaan 3. Don't waste time going into how they got there, don't bother to explain to those who do not know. Let it be for those who do know, and let that be enough. End with a zoom out from the prescentors palice, with this narration going as the credits roll up the screen, and the palice collapses into dust. Linger on the rubble being pounded still, and let it end with the dust settling, just as the final credit rolls up. One last lingering shot of that place for a few seconds.
Just imagine....
Just imagine they'd pulled a Halo on Istvaan.
I mean the big ass diorama.
Where was it....
Ah, here, ruclips.net/video/40jdpzrpIps/видео.htmlfeature=shared , I mean like this.
which book? @@CoolSmoovie
@@AkhilMulpuru It’s the third book in the HH
Saul Tarvitz and Ancient Rylanor were pillars of what the Emperors Children were supposed to be. Although the legions fought for mankind, Fulgrim and his Emperors Children and were supposed to be the best of us, showing how mankind must strive to better ourselves, and how beautiful we could’ve become. Those two Astartes make the true Fulgrim proud to call them his sons
Rylanor did what most couldn't even dream of doing, do permanent emotional damage to the dammed husk Fulgrim became
Well the true lesson about beauty that was supposed to be learned from the Emperors children and more specifically Fulgrim was to learn that your faults are what make you beautiful.
But Fulgrim was a little too dense to get it.
I pity the Emperor’s Children. The emperor gave them such lofty expectations, but never the manpower or the tools to do it. So much expected of them that they wore themselves thin. If Fulgrim had been told about chaos and it’s devious ways…maybe he wouldn’t have wielded the corrupt blade…maybe he would have allied with the Emperor with a sane mind…maybe he would have asked for help instead of choked on his pride.
The true fulgrim was still a traitor.
@@LongWarEnjoyerIf I recall correctly, not really. Shortly before Istvaan III happened when Fulgrim was seperated from that blade for a long time he had a moment of clarity, realizing what Horus was going to and was about to order his ships to open fire on the Vengeful Spirit to stop his madness but then somebody brought the blade to him and it took control of his mind again.
There’s something in me that breaks when I hear Saul ask if what they did mattered. This is a Transhuman demigod who’s probably been fighting wars for longer I’ve been alive, but when he says that it’s hard to not remember, “yeah that’s a child solider who probably wanted to be a hero or something once upon a time isn’t he?”
To me , the events of Istvaan III diminishes any justification for the Heresy. Any personal grudges and pains that the fallen 9 have suffered fall apart because of this. Both the loyalists and the traitors lived in an equally ungratefull galaxy , the difference is the traitors gave up and chosen the path of least resistance where the loyalist choose to push on and live with the pain. Hence why the traitors are eternaly damned , and that all their reasons of treason have lost their weight.
to be fair the traitors arent traitors simply because they want to, but because of chaos influence.
@@Cptraktorn We can all agreed that most traitors were either tricked, or force to become chaos puppets. Even Horus himself was tricked...but we can all agree...FUCK EREBUS!
@@Cptraktorn Not all. Many of them simply followed their primarch. And many primarchs fell due to their own stupidity.
Horus: because he didnt resisted Chaos corruption.
Fulgrim: because he didnt resisted daemon inside layer blade.
Magnus: due to his arrogance
Lorgal: because he was a stupid idiot, not understanding that Emperor wasn't a god.
Mortarion: he was salty about that "kill steal" (Emperor saved his life)
Konrad: just insane
Alpharius: believed some xenos that Emperor want him to betray Imperium.
Perturabo: he was jealous.
Angron: OK, he was right. Emperor just left him to die with butcher's nails.
Just blaming chaos is bad excuse. You can resist Chaos in most cases, and at start many traitors weren't Chaos-corrupted at start. Out of all primarchs, only Angron was right to betray Emperor.
I remember really thinking this during Angel Exterminatus. There is an attempted assassination on Fulgrim by a Raven Guard, and Perturabo screams about how dare the loyalists sink to such a low, and how horrid and without honour they must be.
All this, after he mowed down his brothers in the back at istvaan.
Pathetic.
To be fair, Horus technically died on Davin 4, and a form of himself held up by Warp corruption of his "soul" animated his corpse. I believe it was Fulgrim that stated Horus died back on Davin to Lorgar in Slaves to Darkness. That's why the Emperor vaporizes Horus from existence to prevent that from happening again at the end of the Heresy.@@averagetachyonlanceenjoyer1129
Craziest part, the "lost looking World-Eaters" might've looked lost because they had already been implanted with the Butchers Nail by Angron after he took control of his legion, many space marines in the legion dying in the procedure. After surviving all of that, being forced to kill their brothers if they couldn't overtake worlds in 31 hours, and having all their emotions and souls ripped apart and consumed by an uncontrollable rage and unyielding pain...they stayed loyal.
😣😣😣😣
All they sacrificed only for their father to simply spit on any loyalty he had for his sons. Vistario was more right than he realized when he said to Fulgrim “… he deserves better than you, he deserves better than all of us.”
All who stood against the traitors were....World Eaters, Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children and Death Guard....no
They were the Dusk Raiders, Luna Wolves, War Hounds and the Third...they were the emperors chosen...they were his shining light in the darkness....they were his avenging angels.
Captains...
Saul Tarvitz
Solomon Demeter
Garviel Loken
Tarik Torgaddon
Ullis Temeter
Captain Ehrlen
The Imperium's finest.
And they shall know no fear
And so many more, who's name noone will ever know but their sacrifice will never be forgotten
@@barryhunt3541 and they knew no fear
Don’t forget Captain Solomon Demeter.
@@jacklang3314 sorted it
Idk why, but the lines about the few lost World Eaters and no present Death Guard is so sad.
the world eaters are the most tragic of the legions in my opinion. Warriors trying to do anything to gain approval from a father (angron) who was so wrapped up in his own tragedy and trauma of not dying with his brothers that he tortured his sons and ordered them to have the butchers nails implanted in everyone. They obeyed to gain the approval of him and he killed the ones who refused to turn traitor even after the nails at Istvaan 3
i think there were a bunch of death guard marines still out there, but because they were absolute units, they survived the virus bombing outside the safety of the temple. hence why none of them were in the temple with the rest.
@@philip8498there were. Iirc, it was 70 Death Guard under command of Crysos Morturg, a later Blackshield Captain.
Weren't a few of them fleeing to warn the Emperor of Horus's betrayal.
@@andrewryan4417yes, nathaniel garro, decius, the squad they had, and iacton qruze aswell as mersadie olition, euphrati, and sindermann
The algorithm has brought me here. Not as a blessing, but as a curse, so goes my soul with Isstvan III.
This was a maddeningly cool book, from the hopeless and confused battle against their own legions, to the terrifying appearance of Angron tearing through ranks of astartes, to the real-time description of the planet’s virus-bombing, to the betrayal and battle between best friends Tarvitz and Lucius. The final quarter of this book made it worth slogging through some of the other Horus Heresy books that could have easily been shortened to pamphlets
Which book
Tell me
@@anirudhashok3332 Galaxy in Flames
There are abridged versions of the early books. They are actually pretty good. They change some roles and eliminate some characters. They reach the same conclusions. Different narrator but I like him equally.
This made me shed a tear. I have listened to all of the HH books and primarch books to hear this part again after so long damn it just hits.
I remember this scene. It was the lost World Eaters that stuck in my mind. You can picture their faces, contorted in an expression of "Why!?". Great scene, great book. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor.
No other story in 30k/40k makes me as emotional as the last stand of the remaining loyalists of the traitor legions. They didn’t even have the benefit of believing in a God-Emperor to protect their souls after death, only the adamantine love for each other, and the glory of spitting horus in the face for his treachery. They were true heroes of the Imperium.
Toby Longworth’s voice is the epitome of Warhammer. In my opinion he is much better than Keeble or any other narrator
Agreed..
For 40k, for sure. I like Keeble a lot more in Warhammer Fantasy though, like in Gotrek and Felix. Something about Keeble doesn't fit Space Marines to me.
"We'll go together"
"veteran's prerogative"
Shall we?
This death, this death is ours. We choose it. We deny you your victory.
This brings the emotions out of me.
And I've listened through this book time and again.
Forever shall the Fallen be the Emperor's Finest.
What book
@@Giovanni-El-johnson
Galaxy Aflame.
They truly were the best of the best
@@Yorvics
I'm a big UM simp. But Istvaan III made me fall in love with the Loyalists from the Traitor legions.
I'm glad the Algorithm led me to finding this too.
This is why I believe, that the Legion of the Dammned is made up of especially the victims of Istvaan.
"A few lost looking world eaters..." oh wow just destroy my soul will ya?
Its sad because they problay came down off their butchers nail high and put together that this was the end.
how this community is aching for great adaptation. If anyone is ever able to turn this into something deserving it will be some of the most bombastic entertainment ever created
I honestly think that Henry Cavil could do it if he was given what he needs
Never Forget. There were more Loyalist World Eaters on Istvaan III than any other Legion…
Yes Istvaan III was a dreary campaign indeed, we many lost many sleeper agents during that conflict but they died nudging the game in the right direction…
Hydra...Dominatus...
for the 🅱emperor...
@@KingLich451We are Being Attacked by. boy!?!?
"The Stars shun down on the Choral city in time to watch the city die."
While this is all happening as the last of the loyalists are bombarded
Somewhere on the planets destroyed and desolate planes
Roams the last luna wolf the one who hunts down the brothers that betrayed him who hunts down the father that betrayed him
And even deeper in the planet the ancient rests for a plan of vengeance blooms for a billion nights
Indeed
Btw I saw the meme you made using this video and I really like it
Never thought that would ever happen xD
That plan of vengeance gave a wound so deep to a twisted shell of a man that is immune to most harm, that of a wound to the pride of a thin skined and prideful husk who only had his ego left
Cerberus
“Will go together then. shall we?” -Death guard DreadNought Huron-Fal
The fact that everyone of them knew the odds and still chose to stand against the traitors was valiant
Saul Tarvitz: we hurt them,they'll remember this.
Horus Aximand: You're a dream. No, a nightmare.
Garviel Loken: That, perhaps.
They did remember it.
which book?
@@Hot_Garbage__ Siege of Terra volume 4, Saturnite. Context/Spoilers below:
Loken is taking part in the defense of Terra.
Dorn learns of a weakpoint in the foundations in one section of the imperial palace (not in the center, the palace is basically a large city, but still behind the frontline). He, correctly, assumes that Perturabo would learn of this and assumes, correctly again, his counterpart would send the best he had available in a strike force using assault drill pods to try and create a breach there.
These best are the elite of the Sons of Horus, with the entire Mourneval (Abbadon, Horus Aximand, Torgaddon, Kibre) and terminator elite. Maybe Perturabo expected the trap or not, the Sons of Horus walk right into it. Nearly three companies of elite SoH are wiped out, either killed directly or sealed in liquid ferrocrete. Only Abaddon can escape, Torgaddon and Kibre die in the battle.
Horus Aximand, after having the crew of his drill slaughtered by Blood Angels, manages to escape through the combat zones of the underground basement system they were fighting in. He is confronted however by Loken, who in preparation has styled his armor in colour and livery of the old Lunar Wolves.
Aximand, already suffering from claustrophobia and madness, mistakes Loken for a ghost, then a nightmare, which is the quote above. He dies at the hands of Loken.
I actually was listening to this audiobook at work and once it got to this point I was actually tearing up
Istvaan III is the perfect way to write a tragedy. Write a character, make them likeable, build them up over your story, then stab them in the back.
Saul Tarvitz and Nathaniel Garro two people in 40k I have nothing but respect and admiration for.
Perfect examples of loyalist paragons, both individuals who had more Humanity than most of the Primarchs.
Don't forget Loken!
Or the ancient rylanor
Or Tarik Torgaddon
Ancient Rylanor stands sentry, and Cerberus emerges!
We need a long animation of istvaan III
I’d watch that
both III and V
Janovich recently did a retelling of istvaan 3, you may like it
I only have so many tears...
I just finished galaxy in flames this evening and oh my emperor is it a beautiful book.
I just finished it. That is literally a work of art
I’m on Fallen Angels, but I have listened to this novel 4 times now. It is SO friggin good!
#cavillasgarvielloken
What i would give to find out Trazyn collected Tarvitz’s squad for his collection before the bombing and that they still lived
In 'The Infinate and The Divine' Trazyn explains that he collected astarties and recreated various battles from the Horus heresy, it's likely he also witnessed the Rebelion of Istvaan, but I doubt he would have taken anything from the final bombing, focusing more on the bigger battles.
@@lachlanmacrae1779 He didn't care for Humanity until after the Heresy started, and was so surprised that he rushed to collect, so he would not have been in time to cop the Chads from Istvaan III. His biggest expo is that of the Dropsite Massacre.
I don't know if this will make anyone feel better.
But Trazyn stole a whole bunch of randoms from this battle.
so no matter what, exactly 1 skeletal boi built a gallery to remember this conflict, it and they accompanying Istvan IV peice are very impressive portions of the Gallery dedicated to the Herasy.
Wouldn't it be great if Saul Tarvitz was among them, and he and Clonegrim get the chance to not only rebuild the Emperors Children Legion but also lay a righteous amd perfect smack down on Daemon Fulgrim, Lucius and Eidolon?
It's crazy how, in the end, their humanity comes through, and all they can feel is if any of it mattered. Did anything they do matter.
Yes. It mattered all. They kept the Traitors tied down so Dorn could prepare defenses, for Sanguinius to rally the defense again and again, and finally the time Roboute needed to make all the way back to avenge the fallen.
Isstvan 3 was a loyalist victory and everyone traded their lives for it.
because they are. they have a human soul and that will always shine through. even the primarchs, warp-infused demigods, are fundamentally and painfully human in their character and flaws. it's one of the finest themes of the setting imho. keeps things grounded in a sense
Sauls message to Garro was a huge win for the loyalists.
Man I wish Richard Boylan (Maker of the Helsreach animation) would make a short animation about this.
Istvaan 3, where fathers betrayed their sons
Becky: I can't believe he didn't cry during The Titanic!
Goth Becky: Do men even have feelings?
Chad: [Watching this]
With so much unlimited amount of lore and content, it is easy to forget this tragedy, so i have to go bsck every once in a while to not forget, Tarvitz is one of the greates unsung heroes of the Imperium
Thank you for this it's an amazing way to remember this scene
“COME ON THEN! YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT!” captain saul tarvitz to a imperator titan.
It is a tragedy.
Maybe the biggest tragedy I've ever come across in fiction.
Legit can’t stop listening to this and visualizing it
I feel empty. no images just words and music make it all. I don't know when my tears will flow but i'm sure they will. Remember brothers FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
This video alone actually got me to start reading the Horus Heresy series.
Was it ever explained why there were no Death Guard among them?
The Death Guard and World Eaters Loyalists were deployed in trenches far away from the fortifications that the other Loyalists were in, and only had a few bunkers to fit into before the virus bombs struck, so mostly perished and far away.
@@Seraphim227 Thank you for clarifying, makes sense.
@Mc Chicken the Traitor Death Guard made a point of eradicating their loyal kin
The few of the death guard who survived did not reach the Palace and rather chose to remain in the trench system and mount their resistance there, it took month for the traitors to dislodge them, they actually set up artillery positions and gave back the traitors a taste of their own medicine.
they were deployed further away from the temple and were too far away to make it to the temple.
didnt stop some absolute giga chads from the death guard to walk of the virus bombing and fight on from the trench lines anyway.
And that... sublime miracle, is why warhammer 30k is beautiful. Something to be said, about the difference between horus heresy space marines and space marines as seen in 40k.
40k has some great character, and its really great but space marines are often just colored as just being stubborn, brutal, violent, maniacs that refuse to learn anything at all.
Where as, before and at the start of the heresy, space marines we meet are actually...Humans. This video hits me where I live man.
May the fallen be forever remembered as the emperors finest
"As Saul Tarvitz and the few remaining loyalist Astartes looked up at the skies, they knew their doom had finally come. As the explosions raged around them, they knew they had remained loyal to the Emperor. Right to the very end."- Janovich, Introduction to the Horus Heresy Lore 02- Galaxy in Flames.
Where Boys cried: "Old Yeller"
Where men cried: "No Country for Old Men"
Where Astartes died:
I weep
Same
I watch this video every day so that my hatred for Lucius may never waver.
Always brings a tear to my eye thinking about the LADS who held it down.
Man I come back to this vid every so often. Gives me chills each time…..
Toby Longsworth is easily the second best Warhammer narrator. He also did a good job with the Elite dangerous novels.
This vid got me crying in the club (the walk-in freezer at work) rn
I recall when i was a stranger to 40k. Telling my bro it was silly little figurine and that there was no reason to be so in it.
Man i was so wrong.
"shooting stars punch through the dark clouds overhead, scorching holes through which the stars could be seen. The stars shone down on the coral city in time to watch the city die" such a beautifully sad imagery, 40k writing can be so peak sometimes
If this was a tv show this would be a red wedding moment no?
Istvaan III would be very red wedding but there would be alot of buildup, Istvann V is alot more shocking.
Much worse and brutal IMO
@@theinsidioushat7543 Istvan V is more like Teutoburg mixed with battle of Cannae
More like a Toy Story 3 furnace moment.
damn somehow every time i hear here i somehow get sadder
I feel like this is when the Horus heresy books kinda ended for me.lost all the homies and now we just have survivors and ghosts 😢
3-5 books in? I agree that there were some mild books and some that didn’t even interest me enough to buy… but 5 books is way to early to call the series end.
There are still masterpieces like legion, prospero burns, know no fear, fear to tread, betrayer, the unremembered empire, Pharos, the master of mankind, Ruinstorm, wolfsbane… not to mention pretty much every book in the siege of terra being utterly amazing!
I think the authors planned to stop around this point but it slowly expanded way past that.
tobi longworth is the goat
Absolutely, his narration of Gaunts Ghosts kicks ass
I've watched this many times
Fuck can you imagine how great a live action Istvaan 3 would be if they build it up? Like that would be one of thee greatest story telling of film making of all time if done right.
"There were not death guard in their numbers"
That almost makes me cry
Man loyal from the birth to death, for the emperor!
Hearing all this happen as sad as it as that all these amazing men, brothers in arms who chose loyalty to a greater cause over that of their gene father makes the revenge that rylanor gets for all of them so much sweeter
Brother it’s our time and it was an honor to fight with you
Here on Istvaan 3 hero's rest
Emperor cries
I hate that this is so well written and well narrated, and all I can think is that the narrator sounds like he should be reading Thomas the tank engine.
Its Written so dang well! I want so badly for the loyalist's to somehow win.
“They’ll remember this…” oh yeah they remembered it, for over ten thousand years in fact.
Sons of Horus did not die in that temple, only Luna wolves. The Emperor's finest
I like to think that at least a few of the Legion of the Damned are loyalists from the traitor legions.
I think this is still the best theory. Not just that one Chapter from the cursed founding
The very last being within this broken planet was the ancient of rites. The ancient awaits
Well made
Thanks I honestly didn’t expect this to get any views xD
Many forget the first victims of the heresy were the traitors own sons
The greatest most noble end and the greatest and most noble brothers to ever exist.
No other franchise hit that spot like this .
nunca voy a superar esto nunca, Horus jamás voy a perdonarte.
Which Horus Herasy book was this from?
Galaxy in Flames?
Yes
Chaos Fans Before reading Galaxy in Flames: "Ha! Yes! The glorious revolt against the CORPSE EMPEROR SHALL BEGIN!! DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
Chaos Fans After Reading Galaxy in Flames:...
....fuck you Horus.
AAAAAAAAAA I HATE LUCIUS AAAAAAAAA
I come back to this video cause this is how I think on my life and most of what I deal with just helps idk know I'm defeated but I'd never give in knowing I did do something while being nothing ... Idk just wanna not feel so bad but hey lol that's life
Bro the betrayal in combination with Snowfall from Oneheart destroyed me 😭😭
a few lost looking world eaters hits diffrent
This is the peak of Warhammer for me.
Even if they where super human the sensation feeled by the loyalistes of the traitor legion must have been awful. They where betrayed and sent to die by there own farhers, beings for whome most of them had the deepest love and admiration