Nice paint jobs on both rockets. Argh, the brutal truth of staging high power! I sometimes add a few extra yards of florescent surveyor's ribbon -- under $3 a reel at a home store -- to the recovery rig of a high flying model. It is a very visible both in the sky and on the ground.
Beautiful flights! When I get mine done, I plan on adding about a 10 foot long bird-tape streamer in addition to the stock recovery. I'm hoping that lets me see it better on the way down. Stay safe in the heat!
I replaced the kit streamers with Apogee Mylar streamers with this exact same thought. Pretty sure they just did not deploy. There’s no way we could miss seeing those, even at 3000’ if they were out 🤷♂️ 🚀🚀
@@michaelc6817 Soft as asphalt after it’s been reduced to rubble after an explosion. 💥 I figure they tumbled down with the nose cones dangling by their shock cords. But both rockets flew waaaay east and then were most likely pushed around a bit by winds at that height. So they did not come straight down even so configured…
That was a heart breaker!!! Don’t give up yet though. They could still show up at some point! Glad to see the Phoenix crew growing! Can’t wait to get down there and fly with you guys! Look into the Eggtimer Mini Tx GPS. It can provide you the landing coordinates, which can then be plugged into a map on your phone. I’m enjoying mine.
Definitely doing this again. And going on another search. Just seems to be getting really far from the area🤔 Could be though. I'll look that up. Also we should've been deeper (west) in the field.
I built my So-Long placing the second launch lug on the top stage. On my channel, I launched it with one E16-6. It flew great! I was able to recover it. I can hardly wait to do a double stage launch. The point is that launched as a single stage rocket it still goes out-of-sight.
Good drag race on ascent. For better visual confirmation at apogee, reflective mylar coat the fins and paint with bright colors other than white or blue. ❤
Oh man, I was really pulling for ya to retrieve that beautiful rocket! I just finished building a Comanche 3 but I’m nervous to launch it. Maybe I’ll launch one stage at a time,lol. I’ve had a lot of fun with the Boosted Bertha but it’s a more tame rocket for sure.
Man, some binoculars would be nice to have, maybe on a tripod. Man. Stay cool out there until this dome of El Nino hot air moves on. Hydrate! Bummer about losing the altimeters too. Great video though. Thanks.
I actually had binos! The real issue was that I think neither rocket popped out its streamers. I had Apogee Mylar 2”x56” streamers on mine. Keith used the bright orange ones that came with the kit. 2 streamers per rocket. We saw neither set. Even at 3000’ we should have been able to see at least one set! So, they did not deploy… Not. Good!
Nice video. This is exactly why I'm building my So Long as a single stage 24mm rocket. I like the design but I don't have anywhere I can fly it more than about 1500ft and hope to actually get it back.
Thanks. I just wish we moved out further. We had so much more space and we would've recovered. I went on another search today still no luck. It has my number on the fin if someone ever comes across it. If it's it not in a tree.
I was hoping to see you bring them home. I might skip the altimeter in mine and add a beacon, like the old Estes sonic one and one that has a flashing LED and bring the directional microphone for a simple locator. It is a risk no matter what you do. Better luck next time.
Great Video. Open Rocket shows an apogee of 3298ft and Rocksim shows an apogee of 3936ft. If it went to almost 4000ft, that could be why you lost it. Rocksim also shows it arcing over and being blown 2100ft from the pad at apogee. It could of came down 1/2 mile from the pad. I hope you find it at some point.
Thanks for this. Search all around the 1/2 mark, beyond and in closer. It could be on top of a building or in a tree. I Search really good. About 3 times.
SO LONG!! Great matching ascents!! Bummer though on recovery. To minimize weather cocking, try to mount altimeter close to the CG. Any additional weight near the nose is likely going to shift the CG forward and cause pitch into the wind. I didn't open my kit yet. Does Estes have you put clay weight in the nose cone?? If so, maybe reduce clay weight by the weight of an altimeter?? A straight up flight, if possible, should reduce your search area. My money is on Keith going out and searching some more! Hope you find them!! The cost of the motors/engines is enough without also losing JL 2s.
I did go out again yesterday lol. It's either on a roof or in a tree or on the ground where noone goes. It has contact info on the fin. If someone finds it they may contact me. But good idea on the altimeter position. No clay included. Finally. The space is so huge we should've been out further. Hindsight is 20/20. We had very little breeze and should've both recovered in that field.
@@modelrockets3215 If those rockets possibly did not deploy their streamers, you might try looking closer in to where they were launched from, as they may not have drifted as far as you are looking for them. Distances can be deceiving for sure. If anything, the prevailing wind should have brought them closer to you, provided they pitched into the wind during flight.
@michaelc6817 I took that into consideration. I checked near and far out. Yes it can be deceiving. Right we saw the ejection puffs of red dust but. Never saw streamers. Odd.
@@modelrockets3215 Just think how your eyes would see those streamers at a distance of TEN football fields or over a half mile away. You have found much more difficult finds in the past, so I am rooting for you :.
Something you could try would be to add some talcum powder inside the body tube after you pack the streamers that way when the recovery system deploys you’ll get a big proof of Telcom dust for easier spotting.
I didn't understand why you guys weren't running in their direction immediately after launch because there was no danger at the pads, especially after seeing the eject charge at least you knew there wouldn't be a lawn dart coming down. Dang, great launches though, but I wanna know who won lol.
Great flights on both rockets ! 😁👍 hopefully they both will be found and returned. I'm thinking about getting a So Long but will paint the entire rocket day-glo orange and invset in a GPS tracker.
What I thought when they released this rocket. The jokes on you both. The thing is they both followed the arch together, find one find both. Too bad Keith, too bad. I really hope you get it back somehow, you have before. Be interesting to see the actual flight data. I hope someone come through for you. Peace Keith.
Well- Beautiful flights- the end was pretty much my standard- I just wanted to see how high I could go, didn’t have the clear area for flights over 5-700’. My best 2 stage was the Centuri Long Tom- Straight as an arrow, It was one of the sweetest launches. And i just watched it drift and drift. (think brother found it 1/4 mile up the road 2 years later in tree 😂. You’ll be back Keith. and agree with some comments in regards to the altimeter and CG. may want to try a string test to see how it balances. (I’m going back 40 years) Let’s get them flown again. love ur vids. Thanks
Sure. When you shop www.estesrockets.com add items to your cart, put in the code: in_321 during checkout and a discount will happen. I have a video on here showing how it works also.
The very cute pep sqeek rocket that didn't come back home 😂
Great launch, tricky rocket.
Yes. Right of passage rocket.
Nice paint jobs on both rockets.
Argh, the brutal truth of staging high power!
I sometimes add a few extra yards of florescent surveyor's ribbon -- under $3 a reel at a home store -- to the recovery rig of a high flying model. It is a very visible both in the sky and on the ground.
Beautiful flights! When I get mine done, I plan on adding about a 10 foot long bird-tape streamer in addition to the stock recovery. I'm hoping that lets me see it better on the way down. Stay safe in the heat!
I replaced the kit streamers with Apogee Mylar streamers with this exact same thought. Pretty sure they just did not deploy. There’s no way we could miss seeing those, even at 3000’ if they were out 🤷♂️ 🚀🚀
@mobrockets Right! Didn't see nothing!
@@mobrockets Ouch, not deploying would mean closer to launch pad lawn dart crash landing. How soft is the dirt out there now?
@@michaelc6817 Soft as asphalt after it’s been reduced to rubble after an explosion. 💥 I figure they tumbled down with the nose cones dangling by their shock cords. But both rockets flew waaaay east and then were most likely pushed around a bit by winds at that height. So they did not come straight down even so configured…
It's not a bad idea, especially for visibility.
That was a heart breaker!!! Don’t give up yet though. They could still show up at some point! Glad to see the Phoenix crew growing! Can’t wait to get down there and fly with you guys!
Look into the Eggtimer Mini Tx GPS. It can provide you the landing coordinates, which can then be plugged into a map on your phone. I’m enjoying mine.
Definitely doing this again. And going on another search. Just seems to be getting really far from the area🤔 Could be though. I'll look that up. Also we should've been deeper (west) in the field.
Great job guys, sorry you lost the rockets and I do know the feeling. 👏😊
instant like crew :)
Awesome rocket, cool video. Thanks
Bummer about the altimeter, always gonna sting.
I built my So-Long placing the second launch lug on the top stage. On my channel, I launched it with one E16-6. It flew great! I was able to recover it. I can hardly wait to do a double stage launch. The point is that launched as a single stage rocket it still goes out-of-sight.
You are GREAT!! Thanks for you videos!!!
Hah! I wonder if Estes could sell a replacement upper stage. It would make a nice single-stage model as well.
Might want to add some gps to that, dang that got up there high.
Yes I saw some cheap trackers. But they charge for the service. Still looking into it
EXCELLENT recap, Keith… In spite of the outcome, this was an awesome launch. Getting ready for round #2! My second So Long arrived yesterday 😬😂🚀🚀
Yes we will do this again! We must. I'm going to look again. I have an area to check 😂
Good drag race on ascent. For better visual confirmation at apogee, reflective mylar coat the fins and paint with bright colors other than white or blue. ❤
Oh man, I was really pulling for ya to retrieve that beautiful rocket! I just finished building a Comanche 3 but I’m nervous to launch it. Maybe I’ll launch one stage at a time,lol. I’ve had a lot of fun with the Boosted Bertha but it’s a more tame rocket for sure.
How about someone tracking with some binoculars? I plan on that when I go for 2000' with my Sashas.
If you had painted it silver you might have seen it glint in the sun when it came down.
Man, some binoculars would be nice to have, maybe on a tripod. Man. Stay cool out there until this dome of El Nino hot air moves on. Hydrate! Bummer about losing the altimeters too. Great video though. Thanks.
I actually had binos! The real issue was that I think neither rocket popped out its streamers. I had Apogee Mylar 2”x56” streamers on mine. Keith used the bright orange ones that came with the kit. 2 streamers per rocket. We saw neither set. Even at 3000’ we should have been able to see at least one set! So, they did not deploy… Not. Good!
Thank you sir. Will do we'll be back out for part 2. I saw the gift appreciate it🚀💥
Nice video. This is exactly why I'm building my So Long as a single stage 24mm rocket. I like the design but I don't have anywhere I can fly it more than about 1500ft and hope to actually get it back.
You guys built two awesome rockets I really hate the fact they were lost I'm afraid to launch mine I love the way you painted yours
Thanks. I just wish we moved out further. We had so much more space and we would've recovered. I went on another search today still no luck. It has my number on the fin if someone ever comes across it. If it's it not in a tree.
I was hoping to see you bring them home. I might skip the altimeter in mine and add a beacon, like the old Estes sonic one and one that has a flashing LED and bring the directional microphone for a simple locator. It is a risk no matter what you do. Better luck next time.
Great Video. Open Rocket shows an apogee of 3298ft and Rocksim shows an apogee of 3936ft. If it went to almost 4000ft, that could be why you lost it. Rocksim also shows it arcing over and being blown 2100ft from the pad at apogee. It could of came down 1/2 mile from the pad. I hope you find it at some point.
Thanks for this. Search all around the 1/2 mark, beyond and in closer. It could be on top of a building or in a tree. I Search really good. About 3 times.
SO LONG!! Great matching ascents!! Bummer though on recovery. To minimize weather cocking, try to mount altimeter close to the CG. Any additional weight near the nose is likely going to shift the CG forward and cause pitch into the wind. I didn't open my kit yet. Does Estes have you put clay weight in the nose cone?? If so, maybe reduce clay weight by the weight of an altimeter?? A straight up flight, if possible, should reduce your search area. My money is on Keith going out and searching some more! Hope you find them!! The cost of the motors/engines is enough without also losing JL 2s.
I did go out again yesterday lol. It's either on a roof or in a tree or on the ground where noone goes. It has contact info on the fin. If someone finds it they may contact me. But good idea on the altimeter position. No clay included. Finally. The space is so huge we should've been out further. Hindsight is 20/20. We had very little breeze and should've both recovered in that field.
@@modelrockets3215 If those rockets possibly did not deploy their streamers, you might try looking closer in to where they were launched from, as they may not have drifted as far as you are looking for them. Distances can be deceiving for sure. If anything, the prevailing wind should have brought them closer to you, provided they pitched into the wind during flight.
@michaelc6817 I took that into consideration. I checked near and far out. Yes it can be deceiving. Right we saw the ejection puffs of red dust but. Never saw streamers. Odd.
@@modelrockets3215 Just think how your eyes would see those streamers at a distance of TEN football fields or over a half mile away. You have found much more difficult finds in the past, so I am rooting for you :.
Something you could try would be to add some talcum powder inside the body tube after you pack the streamers that way when the recovery system deploys you’ll get a big proof of Telcom dust for easier spotting.
These had red powder in them.
I didn't understand why you guys weren't running in their direction immediately after launch because there was no danger at the pads, especially after seeing the eject charge at least you knew there wouldn't be a lawn dart coming down. Dang, great launches though, but I wanna know who won lol.
I just got a So Long kit. Going to add a tracker to it. Maybe in the nose cone.
the radio transmitter I'm using is 23mm wide so it will fit.
I foresee a 3 stage So Long.
Haha. The Commanche already got that covered
I just finished a 2 stage Alpha the other day.
Great flights on both rockets ! 😁👍 hopefully they both will be found and returned. I'm thinking about getting a So Long but will paint the entire rocket day-glo orange and invset in a GPS tracker.
What I thought when they released this rocket. The jokes on you both. The thing is they both followed the arch together, find one find both. Too bad Keith, too bad. I really hope you get it back somehow, you have before. Be interesting to see the actual flight data. I hope someone come through for you. Peace Keith.
Rumor has it that the So Longs were intercepted by our ABM system...AARO is investigating! 😅😂😅😂
Well- Beautiful flights- the end was pretty much my standard- I just wanted to see how high I could go, didn’t have the clear area for flights over 5-700’.
My best 2 stage was the Centuri Long Tom- Straight as an arrow, It was one of the sweetest launches. And i just watched it drift and drift. (think brother found it 1/4 mile up the road 2 years later in tree 😂.
You’ll be back Keith. and agree with some comments in regards to the altimeter and CG. may want to try a string test to see how it balances. (I’m going back 40 years)
Let’s get them flown again. love ur vids. Thanks
Hope you guys find them .😊 Rockets 321 was winning the drag race !!
Yes I was😂💥..............🚀 But it's a draw since neither was recovered. We both loss.
@@modelrockets3215 yes its a draw !!
They both like flew same direction side by side.
Would you please get ahold of me. I hope you still have the SatV still
I did check your message
@@modelrockets3215 I accidentally deleted your email, I still want to get it
Great flying, is the F15 -0 same size as the E ?
No F15 0 29mm same as the upper
@@modelrockets3215 I need a F engine that could fit on my E engine mount I think it's 21 mm.
@@orlandonostagiafever1964 21mm?never heard of a 21mm. 24mm is more common F44W and some other
I can't understand the discount code you mentioned.
Sure. When you shop www.estesrockets.com add items to your cart, put in the code: in_321 during checkout and a discount will happen. I have a video on here showing how it works also.
Now we know why the call it the 'So Long'
Those rockets are way on the other side of the buildings,you hung them in a thermal they probably half way to china!
😂
Altimeter and a rocket. Ugh.
I know how that goes though.
Have lost the rocket,camera and altimeter. 🙄🙄. Oh well. Maybe you will get it back
Painful. Part of the hobby but it still sucks 😂😂😂 🚀
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I guess my taller stand off didn’t work. 😬😂😎