Just got this exact fake off ebay from a seller that had over 60k feedback - this was for a 1 oz bar. I knew it was a fake immediately due to the thickness, kangaroo pattern on the back, and the serial number font. I did not have a problem getting a refund but I can only imagine how many uniformed people have been ripped off.
@@eliterry3785I just did a quick search. All were fake unless they had a check mark next to their name. So direct from xxx. 1 oz Perth mint. I only went like 10-15 down. Even one with a check mark Aydin something were fake. If the kangaroos bleed into the rim it's fake. Also the bottom left kangaroo is missing it's back. So it just has a little tail poking up it's fake. At least on 1 oz.
Good quality videos for such a tiny channel. Keep up the good work! I remember when I was at 5 subs and I could only dream of more than 100 but promise me. You will get there.
I'm fairly new to gold. Is this something a person has to be careful of even buying through a bullion dealer such as SD Bullion, JM Bullion, US Gold Bureau, etc? Or is this more of a problem when dealing directly through individuals?
You won't have to worry when buying from an established mint. It's the private deals and eBay sales that you have to watch out for. My favorite place to buy is in well established private groups that have approved sellers. Such as GoldBugs on fb. But they aren't always easy to get into.
@@LithicMetals Probably best to for me to continue purchasing through an established mint then. I only have one 1G bar loose with the rest remaining sealed in their assay card packaging. There is deffinately something about gold that just hooks a person. My compliments to your gold bar casting as I watch you casting a 10 oz bar in another video. 👍
I have an original Sigma PMV and from the looks of your readings on your pro, this bar would have tricked my PMV. The weight would have been a dead giveaway though. Did you do a magnet test on it?
I bought a Perth mint 20 gram bar from a gold bullion store in California. I didn’t realize how bad counterfeits were especially with this brand. Upon looking at my bar the kangaroos are printed on the outer brim of the bar and a magnetic test has some resistance. Any tips on how I go about talking to the seller? I’m asking them tomorrow to test it out of the package. I was a first time gold buyer, but after this I will only buy bars that don’t have a package like Perth. It’s too sketchy
I'd just go in and ask them to take a closer look at it. Bring your receipt. Ask if they are able to tell if it's genuine by the packaging and ask them to explain it to you with examples online or within their stock. If you still have doubts or if they don't seem to care, jump on Facebook. Go to a group called gold and silver forum. Show some pics to the group and ask if they have any ideas. Maybe folks can tell just by looking at the packaging.
@@LithicMetalsThank you for the reply. I just went to the store I bought it from and had them open it and test it. It was indeed fake. I showed them my receipt and they were really cool about it. They refunded me. They apologized, but showed me that the thickness of the 20 gram was to big and the kangaroos being imprinted on the rim was also a red flag. It’s crazy how well done these counterfeits are.
I am going to start collecting gold bars from a legit site , can I ask if I should remove the bar from the packaging or leave it in the packaging does it affect value
No I wouldn't, not unless there was some sort of indication that something was off. And if I missed a fake, I would know it as soon as I melted it... the impurities are tough to miss 🙂
I think if you Google fake gold bar... they will pop up. The only problem is, by buying them... you're kind of supporting crooks. And, we have that many more fakes out there 😞
That doesn't even make sense, I've seen fake Credit Suisse bars, fake Pandas even fake AGE's. If you know where it comes from and you know the signs any good LCS can verify it's authenticity.
I mostly buy Perth mint… but from the Perth mint itself. The Chinese fake bars target all major gold bar suppliers not just the Perth mint! The Perth mint has tamper evident seals on all their small bars too.
Right off the bat you can see that the lettering is not correct, also when you split a perth card the words void appear between the plastic sheets. And as you pointed out it's way too thick, you can see the width from inside the assay.
@@isaacclark9825 lol all I meant was the ensemble average of local densities of states defined by g 2 ( ε 1 , ε 2 )=≪ρ( ε 1 , r )ρ( ε 2 , r )≫ is theoretically investigated, where ρ( ε , r ) is the local density of states of disordered systems. It is shown by using the self-consistent theory due to Vollhardt and Wölfle and a physical picture of localization due to Mott, which includes the effect of “level repulsion”, that g 2 ( ε 1 → ε 2 ) is non zero even if the states around ε 2 are localized. Personally I fail to see the humor in it. 😜
@@danyrizk1203 I haven't watch this video in a while. I dont exactly recall what it looks like on camera. But it was tested on a sigma, and the surface tested in the green. I think that's why it slipped by the original seller. But I'll say this, it was essentially plated... someone with a keen eye such as yourself, may just automatically pick that up. Nice catch!
Fun fact: Most of youtubers out there buy these bars on wish for less than 10 bucks only to post em here on youtube pretending they bough fake gold bars XD
U can get those off dhgate or allied for a couple bucks along with 5 bands worth of fake ass money. That fake money is absolutely driving business in my area up the freakin wall. They obviously catch em but just the fact u gotta deal with folk trying to pass em off is annoying the hell outta em.
Just another reason why i don't buy bars at all, and buy only coins... Britannia's coins have five or more good security features thats is not worth while to fake it, think before u buy!
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Also, the packaging should be tamper evident. You would see “VOID” appear in the plastic that surrounds the bar as you open it.
Just got this exact fake off ebay from a seller that had over 60k feedback - this was for a 1 oz bar. I knew it was a fake immediately due to the thickness, kangaroo pattern on the back, and the serial number font. I did not have a problem getting a refund but I can only imagine how many uniformed people have been ripped off.
This is the dangers of buying online. For some items, it really helps to look and hold it first
If you knew it was fake then why did you buy it👀
Should’ve posted the sellers name. Instead you took care of yourself and simply wondered about others….. Righteous.
@@eliterry3785 No, I reported him to ebay as well.
@@eliterry3785I just did a quick search. All were fake unless they had a check mark next to their name. So direct from xxx. 1 oz Perth mint. I only went like 10-15 down. Even one with a check mark Aydin something were fake.
If the kangaroos bleed into the rim it's fake. Also the bottom left kangaroo is missing it's back. So it just has a little tail poking up it's fake. At least on 1 oz.
Wish you cut it in half with a hacksaw.
I was curious to see if it was lead that had been electroplated with a thin layer of gold...
Good quality videos for such a tiny channel. Keep up the good work! I remember when I was at 5 subs and I could only dream of more than 100 but promise me. You will get there.
The thickness is a dead giveaway!
i thought it was an ounce bar due to the size being so big, easy to spot, 10 gms are small, very small
I'm fairly new to gold. Is this something a person has to be careful of even buying through a bullion dealer such as SD Bullion, JM Bullion, US Gold Bureau, etc? Or is this more of a problem when dealing directly through individuals?
You won't have to worry when buying from an established mint. It's the private deals and eBay sales that you have to watch out for. My favorite place to buy is in well established private groups that have approved sellers. Such as GoldBugs on fb. But they aren't always easy to get into.
@@LithicMetals Probably best to for me to continue purchasing through an established mint then. I only have one 1G bar loose with the rest remaining sealed in their assay card packaging. There is deffinately something about gold that just hooks a person. My compliments to your gold bar casting as I watch you casting a 10 oz bar in another video. 👍
I have an original Sigma PMV and from the looks of your readings on your pro, this bar would have tricked my PMV. The weight would have been a dead giveaway though. Did you do a magnet test on it?
I bought a Perth mint 20 gram bar from a gold bullion store in California. I didn’t realize how bad counterfeits were especially with this brand. Upon looking at my bar the kangaroos are printed on the outer brim of the bar and a magnetic test has some resistance.
Any tips on how I go about talking to the seller? I’m asking them tomorrow to test it out of the package. I was a first time gold buyer, but after this I will only buy bars that don’t have a package like Perth. It’s too sketchy
I'd just go in and ask them to take a closer look at it. Bring your receipt. Ask if they are able to tell if it's genuine by the packaging and ask them to explain it to you with examples online or within their stock. If you still have doubts or if they don't seem to care, jump on Facebook. Go to a group called gold and silver forum. Show some pics to the group and ask if they have any ideas. Maybe folks can tell just by looking at the packaging.
@@LithicMetalsThank you for the reply. I just went to the store I bought it from and had them open it and test it. It was indeed fake. I showed them my receipt and they were really cool about it. They refunded me. They apologized, but showed me that the thickness of the 20 gram was to big and the kangaroos being imprinted on the rim was also a red flag. It’s crazy how well done these counterfeits are.
Thanks for sharing! That's great information!
Thanks for watching Loren!
Could it be a nordic gold ingot with a gold mirror finish?
The fake ones tend to have the dotted serial number.
First Perth mint fake I have seen normally PAMP
Could you take some dimensions of the bar and/or packaging. Need more info!
Sorry, that thing was shipped back to the owner... who then got a refund.
how much weight have a certipack?
I am going to start collecting gold bars from a legit site , can I ask if I should remove the bar from the packaging or leave it in the packaging does it affect value
I think a lot of folks like the packaging intact. However, I always open them unless it's really something special.
@@LithicMetals Ok thanks for your reply
Scary stuff,better off buying gold maples,with the security on those its impossible to counterfeit
Is there a danger in buying fake bars from APMEX?
No not from APMEX 😁
What would ten g weigh in the packet if you didn’t open it up 16.1?
No clue... every packet is different
Would you open and test even if purchased from a well established company like APMEX?
No I wouldn't, not unless there was some sort of indication that something was off. And if I missed a fake, I would know it as soon as I melted it... the impurities are tough to miss 🙂
Thanks for the vidoe, i came across a fake Pamp 2.5 gram bar myself from an eBay seller... I just made a RUclips video about it..
What about the hologram Klein bars - no counterfeit for the hologram yet huh?
I haven't seen any
where did you buy it from
I didn't actually buy it myself. A customer sent it in to me. He bought it from a private sale, and was fully refunded.
I wish some people would at least link them so we can use it for a movie prop os
I think if you Google fake gold bar... they will pop up. The only problem is, by buying them... you're kind of supporting crooks. And, we have that many more fakes out there 😞
@@LithicMetals true
Man where did this guy disappear to. You still alive Lithic?
You bet! Just been too busy to edit these vids. But I have some great ones coming soon!
@@LithicMetals Good to hear, keep on keeping on
Do spectometr is 100% good to test gold?
It's great for testing the outside of a piece.
Veriscan pay higher premiums for pamp! You can test it with your phone.
Any updates, buddy?
Updates? The piece was returned for a full refund :)
@@LithicMetals that was fortunate. I'm sure people have been bilked out of money.
I have a one ounce bar of that in my hands. It feels dense, is pretty thin and in a plastic capsule inside the card
As long as you procured the piece from a reputable dealer, you can be confident it's legitimate.
Yup..
It's too thick to be 10gram.
I would never buy a Perth Mint product.
That doesn't even make sense, I've seen fake Credit Suisse bars, fake Pandas even fake AGE's. If you know where it comes from and you know the signs any good LCS can verify it's authenticity.
I mostly buy Perth mint… but from the Perth mint itself. The Chinese fake bars target all major gold bar suppliers not just the Perth mint! The Perth mint has tamper evident seals on all their small bars too.
Where was this bar purchased from?
It was purchased from a dealer, the customer received a full refund.
can you show me fake gold bar with kinebar?
what brand of scales are they ?
The scale I use most, is the GemOro Platinum PRO501VXP. I can't remember the model of the one in this vid.
Damn. Fake gold??? 😵💫
Right off the bat you can see that the lettering is not correct, also when you split a perth card the words void appear between the plastic sheets. And as you pointed out it's way too thick, you can see the width from inside the assay.
Yep fake
There’s some good info on the net for what to look out for.
Obviously the thickness but also the package differences between genuine and fake
Rule number 1 do NOT buy gold or silver off EBay.
No. Do not buy gold or silver from anyone you don't trust. This buyer was refunded immediately by his seller.
has there been any fakes from JM bullion?
Jm bullion is very reputable. Trust but verify
This is not a perth mint bar. Its a fake perth mint bar from China
at least its not a hemi
imagine its ozmium ^^
If its from Perth is a real fake 😆, they have been caught up in media alot recently for being dodge as it comes
How do you know real from fake?
I can tell easily just by holding it now. But there are a variety of tests one can perform.
Wow !
no so sorry
Womble stacker
Subbed
Thanks for video
best one. thanks,
You feel the "localized density". That sure "sounds" scientific.
Lol you make'n fun of the way I talk?!
@@LithicMetals Maybe a little. I did enjoy your video.
@@isaacclark9825 lol all I meant was the ensemble average of local densities of states defined by g 2 ( ε 1 , ε 2 )=≪ρ( ε 1 , r )ρ( ε 2 , r )≫ is theoretically investigated, where ρ( ε , r ) is the local density of states of disordered systems. It is shown by using the self-consistent theory due to Vollhardt and Wölfle and a physical picture of localization due to Mott, which includes the effect of “level repulsion”, that g 2 ( ε 1 → ε 2 ) is non zero even if the states around ε 2 are localized. Personally I fail to see the humor in it. 😜
dense in germ is drunk. local is pub. ?
Gold feels heavy
Cosa significa fake
Rasan theepan kanna.jena sutharsan the sothimalar
This is sickening. Where did you buy this? Did you get a refund?
That piece was sent in by a customer, who bought it through a private sale. They did indeed get a full refund. But, not everyone is so lucky!
@@LithicMetals lesson learned
What the...
Indeed!
@@LithicMetals I was worried because it was a fake gold bar.
It doesnt look great
SOOOOO OBVIOUSLY FAKE, U SEE IT RIGHT AWAY . 24K IS VERY PALE YELLOWISH
Surprisingly enough, it was 24k gold. But only at the surface.
@@LithicMetals il take ur word for it but as soon as I saw this thing it was the typical color of zinc/copper alloy, but hey!
@@danyrizk1203 I haven't watch this video in a while. I dont exactly recall what it looks like on camera. But it was tested on a sigma, and the surface tested in the green. I think that's why it slipped by the original seller. But I'll say this, it was essentially plated... someone with a keen eye such as yourself, may just automatically pick that up. Nice catch!
Ciao questo lingotto e originale ho falso
The translation isn't clear... but I hope you didn't say that you have a fake... that would be a bummer!
Thank you for vid you awesome youtuber
Thank you, for your very kind comment! Love your profile image, I traveled to Chichen Itza last year. Absolutely magnificent!
Fun fact: Most of youtubers out there buy these bars on wish for less than 10 bucks only to post em here on youtube pretending they bough fake gold bars XD
Really? Why would someone want to pretend they're suckers? Unless that's their shtick lol
pamp and perth ugh, i buy Umicore only
U can get those off dhgate or allied for a couple bucks along with 5 bands worth of fake ass money. That fake money is absolutely driving business in my area up the freakin wall. They obviously catch em but just the fact u gotta deal with folk trying to pass em off is annoying the hell outta em.
Yeah, I hate that it's legal to sell them
Just another reason why i don't buy bars at all, and buy only coins...
Britannia's coins have five or more good security features thats is not worth while to fake it, think before u buy!