I was at a pistol class taught at a high-level to some very clue-ful individuals last week in Utah. During lecture, one of the instructors said that the best experimental work being done today is done by you, Rhett. We all agreed.
People underestimate how useful a laser can be if you have bad vision and glasses. I can sometimes make out my sights in ideal lighting but I can always see the glowing dot from an RDS or laser
I agree. I'm a right-handed left-eyed shooter with astigmatism in my right eye and papilledema in my left after a car accident a few years ago. A laser is a substantial help.
I like where yer coming from with regards to a rimfire revolver CCW/SD perspective. Never used a laser with my 38spl, 357mag, .45acp handguns, just red dots. So I ordered an LCR 22 and a Hogue green laser grip. Gonna be a different rodeo for this ol' cowboy. Thanx for what yer doing, appreciate. Entered yer patreon channel too. 👍
Your videos made me rethink my carry and I am switching to my laser equipped s&w 43c 22lr 8 shot. Summer is here and 8 rounds of velocitor should do the trick.
Brilliant idea, using Shoe Goo to enhance the ergos of the laser grip activation button. I did a similar fix with my CT grip, using a curved section of a plastic pill bottle (matching the curve of the grip) and some Talon Grip tape. Works pretty good, but I really like your idea best. Now I'm now gonna ditch the plastic over the button in favor of a dab of Shoe Goo, but I'm covering it with a strip of Talon Grip for grippability, aesthetics (ya gotta look good sometimes) and most important, to hold the Shoe Goo in place. Keep up with the experimentation and innovation, brother. You really know how to make an old gun guy go "Wow!"
Lookup Sugru... perfect for your grip modification needs. *Edit* Been used regularly in the photography industry and small electronics repair/mods for quite some time... very useful and highly effective.
I've been using the crimson trace laserguard since it hit the market. It is not just a tremendous aiming Aid it is a tremendous dry fire Aid and it is tremendously intimidating as well.
Love your videos and pragmatic approach. You really need to check out and review some of the every day carry jeans that are out there now. They make pocket carry about as pragmatic as a holster for snubbies. I particularly like the stretchy fabric on the @221B but also vertex and even LA police gear make a good pocket carry jeans that allow for a fast draw even while seated in a car with the seatbelt on.
Welcome to the club of lasergrips! Since I got into guns I found out how useful they are! Bought them for every handgun I could find them made for. Think about this… You’re half of asleep and your window goes to pieces. The only time you have is to grab that grip and the beam shoots out just before the first round makes contact. That’s unbeatable.
Yaaay People dog visible lasers on Carry guns, but instant activation, increased grip, target focus , and shooting from unusual angles are all validators for weapon-mounted lasers. Thanks for presenting the argument
I played with an LCR22 today--THAT is a really hard trigger pull. Maybe 14-15 pounds. I bet keeping that on target while pulling straight back has helped you develop some great trigger control.
This was my thought as well. Keep the laser parallel with the barrel. Much easier to remember the offset at any range than try to calculate offset at any given distance under stress.
You sir are thinking out of the box. I like that. I have an LCR in 22lr which I shoot well but not often. I'm gonna dust that thing off and begin some serious practice with it. I'm getting elderly and micro 9s are getting harder to shoot well and fast so I've been thinking about 22s lately. Thanks for the insight.
Nice video. I used to run Crimson Trace lasers (Lasergrips or Laserguard) on ALL my carry guns. I found that, over time carrying and/or shooting the gun, the zero would shift. I could actually get the laser to shift by simply tapping repeatedly on the laser housing. Given that, I was faced with either zeroing the laser to the iron sights daily, or getting rid of them. I decided to get rid of them and go back to iron sights (I like the Tru Glo TFX sights). I hope this laser does a better job of holding zero for you.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 That's good. Hope it stays that way. My experience was with Crimson Trace, I have not used the Hogue's. Looks like CT's patent on the laser activation has run out.
@@Pew7070 I had CT lasers on three LCPs, SP101, LCR, Glocks 19, 26, 30 and probably some others. I would not buy a defensive gun unless CT made a laser for it. After years of use and advocating for them, they all started losing zero to a degree that was unacceptable to me. Even just banging the gun around in the holster was enough to cause drift. I just could not trust them anymore. I contacted CT and all they offered was to sell me new lasers at the instructor price, which I already qualified for. They didn't stand behind their product at all. Glad you like yours.
Thank you! I’ve been hoping you’d do a video about the laser because I’m fairly certain this is what I’d like to carry. Glad to hear you often see the laser before the sights because some people say lasers take too longer to see. Maybe they’re comparing it to dots though. Great work on ASP too. I hope it helps pump up your channel.
Two questions. 1. If you have that Chuck Haggard grip on the gun does your finger obstruct the laser? 2. Are the hogue version any better than the Crimson Trace grips?
If I use a high register finger, I sometimes obstruct the laser. Not sure about hogue vs crimson trace. I chose hogue because I know I can grind the rubber to my liking and I can’t do it to the plastic CT grips.
Bought an LCR, first cylinder ejected fine...all the rest didn't. Running regular 40 gr. CCI? Owners manual said some brands will get stuck, was surprised CCI did. Might just need to clean cylinder. Have you had any issues like this?
I like your thought process with the .22 revolver and laser for conceal carry. I have similar views, but with a Kel Tec p-32 with green Armalaser. Plan on getting a NAA Pug for backup, or even primary when necessary.
What pouch do you use to hold your speed beez speed loaders? Also the speed beez holders? I've never carried a speedloader or moonclip so I'm not sure what would work best.
@@NOT-FINANCIAL-ADVICE. it's doing a out 15 inches of penetration on the FBI gel test. If it did punch (heh) all the way through someone's torso, it wouldn't have enough energy to enter someone else.
@@postingwhateveriwant what if the guy was skinny in a t shirt standing squared off to you.. in a busy parking lot. The only reason I say this, is I THOUGHT I was seeing 18" gel block escapes with a lcr here on YT.
Great videos, thanks. *** Agree about the utility of laser sights. But... Hogue grip doesn't work for me; I could not get my laser to activate reliably with what I consider a normal grip. You are not alone. :)
Couldn't you use a zero offset where the POI is 1 inch high and .5 inch left at 10 yards, as well as, at 25 yards? The difference is that you can see the shot placements closer before confirming it out to 25 yards. Just a though. BTW, I love your method of zeroing a laser on the grip as I always suspect that having a laser low and to the side had inherent problems for further shot placements.
Im going to get the laser grip and modify the same way, my LCR .357 is currently wearing the Bantam boot grips and what you have there looks to be about the same size. On a side note how reliable has that Garaysar been for you? I'd love a 14" semi auto birds head grip shotgun but the Remingtons are very hard to find and kind of out of my price range.
I’ve not had any issues with mine other than trying to get an optic to stay attached. I’ll say that there may be QC issues with all the Turkish guns. Some just don’t run from the factory. I’ve been lucky. YMMV
More solid logic. Re Convinced me to try hogue laser grips again. With a death grip I could shift the laser by about 10 inches at 15 yards, but that was my 357 mag death grip. I'm shooting 38s now and plan on transitioning to a 22. Also side note, the lasermax trigger guard laser will shift about 5 inches at 15 yards just from being in the holster
Speaking of grips, have you done the wet soapy hand test with your grip modifications? The stock hogue shape does well, the gun stays in hand. The small crimson trace grips, and the hogue bamtam grips will both let the gun squeeze out by sliding up.
In regards to optics on revolvers, if you could either find a snubnose that takes glock sights, or machine a dovetail for them the deltapoint micro might actually be perfect for smaller revolvers.
I really wish one of the revolver companies would risk making one that can take a micro rds. Your idea of a model that could take Glock sights is brilliant IMO. I miss having rear sights when I have my snubbie.
I've adjusted mine as far out as I can in our basement. My thinking is, I'm fine with the laser dot being an inch down, half an inch to one side, as long as it's consistently so all the way out. How is the quality on the Hogue lasergrip, vs. the Crimson Trace?
@@artwebb6939 Allchin red dot mount is purportedly able to work with adjustable sight j frames. I’m trying researching if a gunsmith/machinist could make it work with a gutter sight snubbie tho.
@@GuamGuy oh OK, I think I've heard of the ones that you can use with an adjustable sight, I was hoping you'd found one that worked with a gutter sight Thanks!
Optics over lasers anyday. I have a S&W bodyguard in .380 and I have never used the laser. When I tried training with it, it's nearly impossible to see unless low light or it's dark. Even for the intimidation factor, it's not that good. I found having a good front sight that glows is quicker to get on the target, and you don't have to worry about failure.
I have a 3 inch lcrx right now. I am looking for a decent deal on the lcr for pocket style carry. Right now the lcpii 22lr has been super reliable. Thousands of rounds not one issue except for federal punch. Unfortunate. I think i will call ruger. Maybe just a chamber tweak. Still an lcr would give me even more peace of mind regarding reliablity. I dont quite understand the off set. Can you explain further?
If laser and bullet converge at some point (say 5yd) the will diverge after that point. The further from the point of convergence, the more separation they will have. If they are exactly in line, they will never converge, and they will always be the same distance from one abother
He seems to be advocating for keeping the laser parallel to the bore instead of adjusting the laser to intersect with the line of the bore. The bullet will never impact EXACTLY on the laser dot at any distance. However, it should remain within about 1" or so at all distances out to nearly 50 yards. Think about the mechanical offset of a rifle scope. If you zero a rifle scope at 5 yards you will be nearly 4 feet high at 100 yards. It's the same principle, except the lasergrip has elevation and windage (left/right) offset, albeit less total offset distance, thankfully. I've heard Massad Ayoob recommend the same approach.
I hadn't thought of it before this video, but it's just like parallel/converging zeros for IR Lasers on rifles. Much smaller scale obviously. KC has a good video on them. ruclips.net/video/9omtdrgrEFM/видео.html
@@mattf2666 now that makes it clear . I just needed the visual. Something to think about. If i am always used to using irons then the parallel would involve a learning curve. Convering zero would offer same hold overs as iron sights.
The 50% of the time you're able to pick up the laser dot faster than the sights, is that on a standard cardboard or steel target? Have you tried it with t-shirts over a target?
Yeah that's one of my concerns with relying on a laser, the fact that I may not be able to see it on certain shirt colors. Having said that, I see no reason not to have one on a pistol grip. I even have one on my ar. It weighs nothing and takes up little space, and it's there if I need it, like if my lenses gets mud on them. I've even used it for "go figure" laser pointing targets for other shooters.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 That makes sense about targeting the eye-box with a .22. I'm so stuck in my 340 and 642 experience that it's difficult for me to consider your perspective, which is absolutely correct in this case.
My fingers are too large to get the pinky on completely without a very unnatural grip, but I've found the shoogoo button to be a huge help in reliably activating the laser and keeping it on
I put a Crimson Trace laser grip on my S&W 442. Way better target acquisition. Some people say it’s pointless in a defensive scenario. Same dudes that’ll have a Glock on their hip with red dot and light 🙄. I look at it this way…I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it! At the end of the day you might not have time to acquire sight picture and a laser is extremely beneficial!
I wonder: if we could just have a small red or green LED, mounted at the sight post, that appeared as bright as a red-dot to the shooter, would that be good enough? The LED would need to be surrounded by a blacked-out tube, so only the shooter can see it. A small battery could be connected to it via a short cable (like a remote light switch). The LED would appear as a blur if you focus on a target in the distance. Perhaps a small lens could be placed in front of the LED to focus its image at infinity. The main point of using an LED is to have something that works under almost all lighting conditions. (Tritium dots only help under near dark conditions and are harder to replace than batteries.)
We’ve never seen a firearms market as responsive to real shooters as we have today. It’s astonishing. Functional dot equipped micros are just NORMAL now… all that done in 5yrs because good instructors and students demanded it. We are just warming up.
Hogue must be brighter than crimson trace... family member with bad eyes has crimson on his g43 to make it easier than picking up iron sights and its so hard to see in (admittedly very bright) sunlight... as in you spent so long looking for it on the brown target you could have aligned the outline of your gun even if you can't see the sights and shot better.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I think you also mentioned recently that good presentation will get you essentially on target, even with your eyes closed! I have been dry practicing with laser, both eyes open, target focus. And essentially the laser appears like a red dot overlayed on the front sight post.
Well this is interesting I haven't bothered with laser grips because a lot of people say you can't really see them in bright sunlight Since I made the mistake of buying a silver gun, maybe I should give them a try
@Silver Back actually the fiber is perfect for the 3inch 22lr lcrx (even though it says not for 22lr) since it has an adjustable height rear sight... for the snub they made an orange dot replacement sight (not fiber) but paint it is essentially the same/cheaper
Wouldn't it be cool if: When you squeezed that laser switch, it would light up the fiber optic sights like little Christmas lights. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do. Granted, tritium exists
How would it not be hard to do? You would need wires essentially running from the grip down the gun an into the fiber optic... wires that would be exposed , thin (ideally, armored type would add bulk), and would ultimately become a single point failure for the entire system...
I always go for sights first. If I catch the laser on the way to them, I use the laser. In dim strings I usually catch the laser before I get sight alignment
I was glad to hear you point out lasers that need to be turned on are garbage. But I can’t think of an example where you’d pull your gun on someone in a CCW situation, and they’d have time to see the laser on them and THEN decide to run off. It seems if you’ve gotten to the point of drawing your gun, I assume you have decided you have to shoot this person (otherwise it’s just brandishing, which is illegal). I’m not saying your situation is impossible, but the only example I could think of would be HD, not CCW, where they could see the laser on a wall as you were approaching and realize you had a gun (though again, most people would announce, “I have called the police and have a gun”-but maybe a laser helps show you’re not bluffing).
I was at a pistol class taught at a high-level to some very clue-ful individuals last week in Utah. During lecture, one of the instructors said that the best experimental work being done today is done by you, Rhett. We all agreed.
Means much to hear. Thank you!
"Clue-ful"
Let me guess, you watch ASP? Great channel. While very different from Rhett's I listen carefully when both are giving advice.
@@BaritoneMonkey maybe John listens to me. 😉
People underestimate how useful a laser can be if you have bad vision and glasses. I can sometimes make out my sights in ideal lighting but I can always see the glowing dot from an RDS or laser
I agree. I'm a right-handed left-eyed shooter with astigmatism in my right eye and papilledema in my left after a car accident a few years ago. A laser is a substantial help.
I like where yer coming from with regards to a rimfire revolver CCW/SD perspective. Never used a laser with my 38spl, 357mag, .45acp handguns, just red dots. So I ordered an LCR 22 and a Hogue green laser grip. Gonna be a different rodeo for this ol' cowboy. Thanx for what yer doing, appreciate. Entered yer patreon channel too. 👍
Some excellent points (hah!) here. Especially regarding situations where one cannot fully extend the forearms.
Your videos made me rethink my carry and I am switching to my laser equipped s&w 43c 22lr 8 shot. Summer is here and 8 rounds of velocitor should do the trick.
Brilliant idea, using Shoe Goo to enhance the ergos of the laser grip activation button. I did a similar fix with my CT grip, using a curved section of a plastic pill bottle (matching the curve of the grip) and some Talon Grip tape. Works pretty good, but I really like your idea best.
Now I'm now gonna ditch the plastic over the button in favor of a dab of Shoe Goo, but I'm covering it with a strip of Talon Grip for grippability, aesthetics (ya gotta look good sometimes) and most important, to hold the Shoe Goo in place.
Keep up with the experimentation and innovation, brother. You really know how to make an old gun guy go "Wow!"
Lookup Sugru... perfect for your grip modification needs.
*Edit* Been used regularly in the photography industry and small electronics repair/mods for quite some time... very useful and highly effective.
great tip
Excellent logic. Thanks for this.
I've been using the crimson trace laserguard since it hit the market. It is not just a tremendous aiming Aid it is a tremendous dry fire Aid and it is tremendously intimidating as well.
Love your videos and pragmatic approach. You really need to check out and review some of the every day carry jeans that are out there now. They make pocket carry about as pragmatic as a holster for snubbies. I particularly like the stretchy fabric on the @221B but also vertex and even LA police gear make a good pocket carry jeans that allow for a fast draw even while seated in a car with the seatbelt on.
Welcome to the club of lasergrips! Since I got into guns I found out how useful they are! Bought them for every handgun I could find them made for.
Think about this…
You’re half of asleep and your window goes to pieces. The only time you have is to grab that grip and the beam shoots out just before the first round makes contact. That’s unbeatable.
Yaaay
People dog visible lasers on Carry guns, but instant activation, increased grip, target focus , and shooting from unusual angles are all validators for weapon-mounted lasers.
Thanks for presenting the argument
Wait what disadvantages do lasers have?
I played with an LCR22 today--THAT is a really hard trigger pull. Maybe 14-15 pounds. I bet keeping that on target while pulling straight back has helped you develop some great trigger control.
This was my thought as well. Keep the laser parallel with the barrel. Much easier to remember the offset at any range than try to calculate offset at any given distance under stress.
Very interesting and well presented!
You sir are thinking out of the box. I like that. I have an LCR in 22lr which I shoot well but not often. I'm gonna dust that thing off and begin some serious practice with it. I'm getting elderly and micro 9s are getting harder to shoot well and fast so I've been thinking about 22s lately. Thanks for the insight.
Take a look at Norma NXD. Definite recoil reduction.
Did you compare the one you have with the green Crimson Trace?
If so, what tipped the scale in the Hogue’s favor?
The "Thinking man's" channel!
Nice video. I used to run Crimson Trace lasers (Lasergrips or Laserguard) on ALL my carry guns. I found that, over time carrying and/or shooting the gun, the zero would shift. I could actually get the laser to shift by simply tapping repeatedly on the laser housing. Given that, I was faced with either zeroing the laser to the iron sights daily, or getting rid of them. I decided to get rid of them and go back to iron sights (I like the Tru Glo TFX sights). I hope this laser does a better job of holding zero for you.
Thanks for that insight. Was debating a laser grip, but since I can see irons well still I’ll just stick with that.
Drift is never enough to kick shots out of the A Zone at 25yd.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 That's good. Hope it stays that way. My experience was with Crimson Trace, I have not used the Hogue's. Looks like CT's patent on the laser activation has run out.
My experience for the last 10 years with CT LaserGrips is not a negative one. The shift was barely noticeable. And I own 5.
@@Pew7070 I had CT lasers on three LCPs, SP101, LCR, Glocks 19, 26, 30 and probably some others. I would not buy a defensive gun unless CT made a laser for it. After years of use and advocating for them, they all started losing zero to a degree that was unacceptable to me. Even just banging the gun around in the holster was enough to cause drift. I just could not trust them anymore. I contacted CT and all they offered was to sell me new lasers at the instructor price, which I already qualified for. They didn't stand behind their product at all. Glad you like yours.
Very interested in a closeup of your Shoe-Goo Modification!
(Just a short?)lol
Thank you! I’ve been hoping you’d do a video about the laser because I’m fairly certain this is what I’d like to carry. Glad to hear you often see the laser before the sights because some people say lasers take too longer to see. Maybe they’re comparing it to dots though. Great work on ASP too. I hope it helps pump up your channel.
have a tlr10 my sp-01.. at 20 yards I was hitting A 3-inch Target regularly at dusk., with my own eyes I couldn't do that with iron sights
I just caught your show with gun Jesus a spectacular presentation
Two questions.
1. If you have that Chuck Haggard grip on the gun does your finger obstruct the laser?
2. Are the hogue version any better than the Crimson Trace grips?
If I use a high register finger, I sometimes obstruct the laser.
Not sure about hogue vs crimson trace. I chose hogue because I know I can grind the rubber to my liking and I can’t do it to the plastic CT grips.
Bought an LCR, first cylinder ejected fine...all the rest didn't. Running regular 40 gr. CCI? Owners manual said some brands will get stuck, was surprised CCI did. Might just need to clean cylinder. Have you had any issues like this?
Only issue when very dirty for me, I use ballistol to CLP and runs good after until need returns
I just slap that thing like it owes me money…
Always.
What paint did you use for the front sight ramp?
I like your thought process with the .22 revolver and laser for conceal carry.
I have similar views, but with a Kel Tec p-32 with green Armalaser.
Plan on getting a NAA Pug for backup, or even primary when necessary.
Great stuff! Are these laser grips ambi? I'm left-handed...
I’ve not had a problem shooting lefty
another great vid keep them coming i like the 22 for ccw ones
What pouch do you use to hold your speed beez speed loaders? Also the speed beez holders? I've never carried a speedloader or moonclip so I'm not sure what would work best.
I put it in my pocket
Are you aware of any red dot developments for the LCR in the offing?
What load for that lcr?
Sorry if you mention it towards the end of this vid. Still watching.
Velocitor or punch
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 any concern of OVER Penetration on the punch, even out the 2" bbl?
@@NOT-FINANCIAL-ADVICE. it's doing a out 15 inches of penetration on the FBI gel test. If it did punch (heh) all the way through someone's torso, it wouldn't have enough energy to enter someone else.
@@postingwhateveriwant what if the guy was skinny in a t shirt standing squared off to you.. in a busy parking lot.
The only reason I say this, is I THOUGHT I was seeing 18" gel block escapes with a lcr here on YT.
Great videos, thanks. *** Agree about the utility of laser sights. But... Hogue grip doesn't work for me; I could not get my laser to activate reliably with what I consider a normal grip. You are not alone. :)
I put a Big Dot front sight on , makes a difference . I had to mill and glue , your revolver is pinned so super easy
Do you prefer crimson trace or hogue laser grips. how do you set your laser to be able to shoot longer distances and.be accurate
I zero lasers at 25yd with the offset.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I am thinking of getting laser for my lcr 22 but I am deciding on hogue green or crimson trace green
Couldn't you use a zero offset where the POI is 1 inch high and .5 inch left at 10 yards, as well as, at 25 yards? The difference is that you can see the shot placements closer before confirming it out to 25 yards. Just a though. BTW, I love your method of zeroing a laser on the grip as I always suspect that having a laser low and to the side had inherent problems for further shot placements.
Crimson trace green laser for j frame is awesome. Battery lasts forever! 351c is what I use
Great point on the offset. 8:56
Im going to get the laser grip and modify the same way, my LCR .357 is currently wearing the Bantam boot grips and what you have there looks to be about the same size.
On a side note how reliable has that Garaysar been for you? I'd love a 14" semi auto birds head grip shotgun but the Remingtons are very hard to find and kind of out of my price range.
I’ve not had any issues with mine other than trying to get an optic to stay attached.
I’ll say that there may be QC issues with all the Turkish guns. Some just don’t run from the factory. I’ve been lucky. YMMV
More solid logic. Re Convinced me to try hogue laser grips again. With a death grip I could shift the laser by about 10 inches at 15 yards, but that was my 357 mag death grip. I'm shooting 38s now and plan on transitioning to a 22. Also side note, the lasermax trigger guard laser will shift about 5 inches at 15 yards just from being in the holster
What did you use to paint your front sight?
Speaking of grips, have you done the wet soapy hand test with your grip modifications? The stock hogue shape does well, the gun stays in hand. The small crimson trace grips, and the hogue bamtam grips will both let the gun squeeze out by sliding up.
In regards to optics on revolvers, if you could either find a snubnose that takes glock sights, or machine a dovetail for them the deltapoint micro might actually be perfect for smaller revolvers.
The one for the Sw M&P may work better since the battery compartment is angled.
I really wish one of the revolver companies would risk making one that can take a micro rds. Your idea of a model that could take Glock sights is brilliant IMO. I miss having rear sights when I have my snubbie.
@@AzayBae Taurus has optic ready revolvers coming soon but I don’t think they have any in 22lr
@@RadCatFood I saw that! I hope it catches on.
Your grip looks very similar to the profile of the ergo delta grip. It's a shame they don't make a laser grip
I've adjusted mine as far out as I can in our basement. My thinking is, I'm fine with the laser dot being an inch down, half an inch to one side, as long as it's consistently so all the way out.
How is the quality on the Hogue lasergrip, vs. the Crimson Trace?
I’ve not broken one.
J Frames seem to have some sort of RDS support. I too would want a LCR with a dot.
They do? I haven't come across that
Could you steer me that way?
@@artwebb6939 Allchin red dot mount is purportedly able to work with adjustable sight j frames. I’m trying researching if a gunsmith/machinist could make it work with a gutter sight snubbie tho.
@@GuamGuy oh OK, I think I've heard of the ones that you can use with an adjustable sight, I was hoping you'd found one that worked with a gutter sight
Thanks!
Optics over lasers anyday. I have a S&W bodyguard in .380 and I have never used the laser. When I tried training with it, it's nearly impossible to see unless low light or it's dark. Even for the intimidation factor, it's not that good. I found having a good front sight that glows is quicker to get on the target, and you don't have to worry about failure.
I like optics. Now put one on a snub or that bodyguard.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Yes I get what you're saying, I prefer tritium sights over a laser on my bodyguard.
good info. thank you.
How do you compare the LCR with the S&W 43C ? I'm debating between the two.
The 43c is the problem child of the Jframe line. They break often.
The LCR22 has no common failures. They just run.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Good to know thanks! Hey bro have you ever thought about taking a look at the S&W 986 revolver in 9mm?
Laser actually has some off spray and lights up your target as well.
I have a 3 inch lcrx right now. I am looking for a decent deal on the lcr for pocket style carry. Right now the lcpii 22lr has been super reliable. Thousands of rounds not one issue except for federal punch. Unfortunate. I think i will call ruger. Maybe just a chamber tweak. Still an lcr would give me even more peace of mind regarding reliablity. I dont quite understand the off set. Can you explain further?
If laser and bullet converge at some point (say 5yd) the will diverge after that point. The further from the point of convergence, the more separation they will have.
If they are exactly in line, they will never converge, and they will always be the same distance from one abother
He seems to be advocating for keeping the laser parallel to the bore instead of adjusting the laser to intersect with the line of the bore. The bullet will never impact EXACTLY on the laser dot at any distance. However, it should remain within about 1" or so at all distances out to nearly 50 yards. Think about the mechanical offset of a rifle scope. If you zero a rifle scope at 5 yards you will be nearly 4 feet high at 100 yards. It's the same principle, except the lasergrip has elevation and windage (left/right) offset, albeit less total offset distance, thankfully. I've heard Massad Ayoob recommend the same approach.
I hadn't thought of it before this video, but it's just like parallel/converging zeros for IR Lasers on rifles. Much smaller scale obviously.
KC has a good video on them. ruclips.net/video/9omtdrgrEFM/видео.html
@@mattf2666 now that makes it clear . I just needed the visual. Something to think about. If i am always used to using irons then the parallel would involve a learning curve. Convering zero would offer same hold overs as iron sights.
@@silverback3926 offset/parallel zero offers same holdovers. Converging doesn’t
The 50% of the time you're able to pick up the laser dot faster than the sights, is that on a standard cardboard or steel target? Have you tried it with t-shirts over a target?
Yeah that's one of my concerns with relying on a laser, the fact that I may not be able to see it on certain shirt colors. Having said that, I see no reason not to have one on a pistol grip. I even have one on my ar. It weighs nothing and takes up little space, and it's there if I need it, like if my lenses gets mud on them. I've even used it for "go figure" laser pointing targets for other shooters.
There’s plenty of surfaces that aren’t ideal.
Not super concerned because I’ve never had trouble seeing a laser on anyone’s face.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 That makes sense about targeting the eye-box with a .22. I'm so stuck in my 340 and 642 experience that it's difficult for me to consider your perspective, which is absolutely correct in this case.
My fingers are too large to get the pinky on completely without a very unnatural grip, but I've found the shoogoo button to be a huge help in reliably activating the laser and keeping it on
how are those grips on activating with a lefty grip?
looks like it'd be okay, especially after you talked about the shoe goo
I put a Crimson Trace laser grip on my S&W 442. Way better target acquisition. Some people say it’s pointless in a defensive scenario. Same dudes that’ll have a Glock on their hip with red dot and light 🙄. I look at it this way…I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it! At the end of the day you might not have time to acquire sight picture and a laser is extremely beneficial!
Your content is very original. Hit me up if you are ever in the tech center.
Words,all the words. Algoreithims and such for the internet.
I like lasers on snubs and Hogue make good grips, but Crimson Trace products are better.
I wonder: if we could just have a small red or green LED, mounted at the sight post, that appeared as bright as a red-dot to the shooter, would that be good enough? The LED would need to be surrounded by a blacked-out tube, so only the shooter can see it. A small battery could be connected to it via a short cable (like a remote light switch).
The LED would appear as a blur if you focus on a target in the distance. Perhaps a small lens could be placed in front of the LED to focus its image at infinity.
The main point of using an LED is to have something that works under almost all lighting conditions. (Tritium dots only help under near dark conditions and are harder to replace than batteries.)
Tried similar. Was a flop
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 - Interesting!
Why was it a flop? Was it a perceptual issue, or a mechanical issue?
Thanks for the feedback.
Do you think these revolvers will ever get a red dot mount available. It seems a pipe dream right now.
We’ve never seen a firearms market as responsive to real shooters as we have today. It’s astonishing. Functional dot equipped micros are just NORMAL now… all that done in 5yrs because good instructors and students demanded it.
We are just warming up.
Hogue must be brighter than crimson trace... family member with bad eyes has crimson on his g43 to make it easier than picking up iron sights and its so hard to see in (admittedly very bright) sunlight... as in you spent so long looking for it on the brown target you could have aligned the outline of your gun even if you can't see the sights and shot better.
They are the same.
Never search for the laser. Search for the sights and you may find the laser first. If you do, use it.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I think you also mentioned recently that good presentation will get you essentially on target, even with your eyes closed! I have been dry practicing with laser, both eyes open, target focus. And essentially the laser appears like a red dot overlayed on the front sight post.
Well this is interesting
I haven't bothered with laser grips because a lot of people say you can't really see them in bright sunlight
Since I made the mistake of buying a silver gun, maybe I should give them a try
The Hi Viz sites are great for the LCRs!
Atent the hi viz for 38s only?
They work on every caliber, I got 'em on my 38 and 22. They catch the light nicely!
@@mrmann44 dont they shift poa poi drastically on the 22lr?
@Silver Back actually the fiber is perfect for the 3inch 22lr lcrx (even though it says not for 22lr) since it has an adjustable height rear sight... for the snub they made an orange dot replacement sight (not fiber) but paint it is essentially the same/cheaper
Wouldn't it be cool if: When you squeezed that laser switch, it would light up the fiber optic sights like little Christmas lights. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do. Granted, tritium exists
How would it not be hard to do? You would need wires essentially running from the grip down the gun an into the fiber optic... wires that would be exposed , thin (ideally, armored type would add bulk), and would ultimately become a single point failure for the entire system...
what holster are you using for the lcr22?
City special.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 cool. thank u!
I doubt anyone is looking for a laser dot on them when there is a gun pointed at them, that theory is a bust.
Bump
They're pretty much useless in daylight. I ended up taking them off of my revolver.
I always go for sights first. If I catch the laser on the way to them, I use the laser. In dim strings I usually catch the laser before I get sight alignment
I was glad to hear you point out lasers that need to be turned on are garbage.
But I can’t think of an example where you’d pull your gun on someone in a CCW situation, and they’d have time to see the laser on them and THEN decide to run off. It seems if you’ve gotten to the point of drawing your gun, I assume you have decided you have to shoot this person (otherwise it’s just brandishing, which is illegal).
I’m not saying your situation is impossible, but the only example I could think of would be HD, not CCW, where they could see the laser on a wall as you were approaching and realize you had a gun (though again, most people would announce, “I have called the police and have a gun”-but maybe a laser helps show you’re not bluffing).
Are you aware of any red dot developments for the LCR in the offing?
Are you aware of any red dot developments for the LCR in the offing?