I always find it fascinating that the ex-military individuals who are the epitome of “dangerous” tend to have the most minimalist firearm setups! Makes me rethink a lot of what I have been lugging around in my own EDC rotation.
@@tizben "They are the weapon" BOOM. I wonder what else he carries like edged weapons (knives), etc. I'd never carry revolvers like those as a primary choice.
Coch has to be one of the most reasonable people out there. He just thinks logically and realistic on subjects and dosnt let a ego or his experience from life to think little about others or thier gun choices or gear like alot of people in the gun community seem to do. What a awesome guy coch is
642 for the win. I have carried other guns, but this one is my favorite "go to" gun for ccw hands down. With Hogue grips and a Wilson spring kit it's a dream.
22WMR is under appreciated imo. It has its place and there have been people killed with 22LR. So 22WMR, 7 shots, IF there’s a failure to discharge the cylinder just turns over and you have another round ready to go. Built in safety with heavy trigger pull, super light weight and concealable. I like it.
While true I prefer a fatter, heavier round. .38 specials hardly kick at all and are centerfire and that makes them more reliable. A .32 long wadcutter does really good too, especially Buffalo bore wadcutters. I prefer .38 +p loadings of good jhp while .357 is just a little much for me in a snubby.
This makes a huge amount of sense. I carried a 642 for years, but it's now been supplanted by a Kimber K6s six-shot revolver that is only (very) slightly larger than a J-frame. Thanks, you've earned my subscription.
Just came upon this video. I love it!! You hit the target dead on with this. I carried all kinds of weapons during my 30 years in the Navy and now carry my 38 SPL+P revolver. It is a Taurus 856 Defender with 3" barrel. It hits right where I aim it. You are right with a 22 round too. I know I can hit any intruder to stop the attack. I didn't spend 30 yrs in the Navy and not learn that. My Wife carries a S&W 22 with 8 rounds and is very deadly with it. I just subscribed to you and look forward to more. Thanks! Don Van Winkle USN CPO Retired.
"Coch"...you're awesome. I truly appreciate your thinking and agree with you who heartedly!! NO ONE is going to stand there and take 7rds of .22Mag. Especially if you aim in the face. The P365 is a spectacular gun!! I hope to get in on one of your classes!! Stay Safe!!
I’ve got to imagine 22’s to the pelvis would stop anyone. 1. No bones to stop the round 2. Lots of vital blood vessels 3. Super painful impact below center of gravity.
Just a suggestion for those who choose to pocket carry. Alabama Holsters have great Kydex pocket holsters. I have one for my snubby and one for my Ruger lcp and they work great.
Very useful post! Thank you. I have a Mika holster for my 642. It's superb! There is an internal stiffener material around the barrel end which obviates the problem you point out where pocket holsters often close up. My Mika does not close up, neither is it stiff. Also, it has a grippy exterior that keeps it in the pocket when the gun is drawn.
I carried the 642, with the clip attachment as well. And I used the river speed loaders. Never had the need to use it, but definitely practiced with them. I loved it! I also carried a small semi auto when I wanted a little more impact capability. Currently gave the Glock 43x with laser and light. Sweet tool.
First, Thank you for your service. I agree with your revolver choice. I almost always carry a 642 and taught my wife how to handle, shoot and carry it as well. I love how a 642 fits in my jean or jacket pocket and doesn't print.
I have those exact two revolvers and carry them often because they are so convenient and they are smooth and rounded frames. My wife carry’s them too. The .22 is perfect for walking around our neighborhood where dogs or people could be a threat, but both aren’t likely.
A trip to the grocery store, is exactly why I don't carry a 5 shot revolver any more. Standing in my driveway looking at 4 men who had followed us home with only 5 shots in my hand was the end of revolvers for me.
I'm with you there. I only carry a revolver as a backup on my ankle... but it's never the only gun on me unless I'm running which in that case I have a NAA 22 Mag mini revolver clipped to my running shorts
1. Thank you for your service to the country!!! 2. Good vid and helpful content. So many new shooters out there need to see/hear what experienced people carry and how. And reminders are always good for us geezers also!
Nick might have simply been confused as it was originally chambered in .38 special before remade into a .357. The first one was the model 36, not the 60.
365 12 with 1 in the pipe and 2 12 rd mags in the pocket everyday... I'm a electrician and work in some not so friendly areas... thank you for sharing your knowledge
I like it! This is real world. Most guys don’t want to carry a full sized gun and ammo all of the time and so have nothing because it is home in the safe. These J frames are almost unnoticeable in the pocket but are always there and ready. Good video, thanks!👍
I ran with a G26 when I first started carrying, then went to a Shield 9, eventually settled on a S&W Bodyguard 380 with an extra magazine or a S&W 342 AirLite with strip clip. I tend to follow a very minimalist ECD carry setup also.
Great Job "Coch" !, I carry the J frame, and just purchased a 365 great little gun, I am a big Glock guy, the 365 is so small and ergonomic and easy shooting and 15 rounds, cant beat it. Sig hit a home run with that and the XL in my opinion.
To carry the right firearm is very important. Having a belt on you which is capable of holding your firearm where you comfortably want it to be is very important too. Nice belt, Sir!
After trying lots of options, love my current EDC: P365XL W/15+1 extended mag + Super Tuck holster for comfort, Super Tuck conceals very well, shirt in or out. So comfortable I carry all day, at home & wherever I go that's legal. Only disadvantage, difficult to access wearing seatbelt.
Great to see a guy who knows their stuff speaking sense. Too rare on RUclips. I made my decision long time ago that 5 rounds of .38 is enough to protect me and mine when we go out.
Very cool. Wheel guns make a lot of sense for EDC. A good friend of mine was an assistant DA for Dallas county for many years and he told me more than once that the #1 round for deaths in Dallas county was .22 cal. I get it.
Thanks for this content - always like hearing about EDC from someone who's "been there". I still prefer my Shield because I shoot it noticeably better than the 365.
I also own the 351PD model and I agree it’s a fine carry revolver !! Every material I’ve fired .22 WMR into gave me good information! My opinion it’s a good ctg for self defense!!
My favorite EDC to have with me majority of the time is my Taurus 856 .38 which holds 6 rounds. I find it a great carry and I use a pocket holster with it and it slides right in and no one ever knows I have it 💯💯💯
I've always been a revolver guy myself. I'm not rolling into the grocery store with enough fire power to take on an invasion. I'm rolling in with just enough to save my life in case something happens. I like the 7 round option: I suppose it would work for minor cover fire even.
I switched from the G43 to the P365 w/12 rd mags and never looked back. Great little EDC gun, especially in a warmer climate when wearing lightweight clothing.
Great info, Coch! Those little J-Frames are excellent and addictive. I love rocking my G19 on my hip and blousing a shirt and then either throwing my 442 in a pocket or in the Galco Ankle Glove.
My EDC is as follows. G19x and 2 S&W642's with extra mags for the Glock. I carry 4 H&K #36 speed loaders, 2 in each front coat pocket. The 19x has 3 20rd mags, I drill malfs, fumbles and brain fade. I used to carry a P35 back in the early 80's. Mr. Wilson solved the mag disconnect for mine and Improved the trigger in the process. I figure if I can't get it done in 6? I should hang it all up and go read a book. Or write one.
I carry the 38 special LCR for years every day. The hardest part to carrying is it set up so it's convenient, comfortable, and safe. The back, 3 o'clock carry, or inside the waist is uncomfortable when driving. My favorite is cross draw with a leather belt holster under the shirt. The inside the pocket is good but not for me because I carry my wallet there and always reaching. But comfort is the key, or you won't have it with you when you need it.
It's a relief to hear people mention not always carrying one in the chamber due to lack of experience and comfort. There are a lot of new gun owners who don't all need to carry with one in the chamber. I think it opens the conversation up to a bigger audience and gives room for different levels of capabilities.
Great content, I agree with his thought process being prior Marine situation will dictate what someone might carry. Some people get wrapped up in the gatchets and forget sometimes simplicity is good unless someone actually trains repetitively with the gatchets. Sometimes something is better than nothing.
I think your presentation is spot on. Civilians will most likely never be involved in a combat situation making the carrying of big bore heavy weapons unrealistic. Better to have a small caliber, easy to use weapon in your pocket at all times. At close contact engagements the small caliber will be fine.
Personal opinion, the 22 WMR is a very underestimated round. And like you said, even a 22lr is a deterrent. Criminals are looking for ‘soft targets’, just drawing on them could be enough to get them to run the other way.
That clip grip was invented by a Detroit cop. I think every uniformed police officer in the 80’s and early 90’s carried a 2” 5 shot revolver appendix, with that grip, as their back up gun. I know I did for over 20 years.
Thank you for mentioning the value of 22 magnum. Really love my Kel-tec 30 . Trying to get my wife comfortable with it for one reason, if it is needed , she should never need to reload. Probably not necessary for anyone other than military or law-enforcement to worry about reload, but if she is by herself , It just seems like easy problem to avoid.
One aspect of self defense that's often overlooked is the goal should not always be to kill the other person. It should be to end the threat. Be that because they do get killed, you run away, and etc. And yes, most every gun regardless of caliber will get you out of a sticky situation as such. That said, .22 Magnum even in snub nose barrels penetrates pretty deep. Deep enough to reliably hit vitals where as .22 LR doesn't usually in such short barrels. I tend to opt for .32 caliber revolvers because they allow for an extra round over the typical .38's and offer more power than the .22's while still being low recoil and effective. I have to agree that if I find myself in a scenario where I believe I'm more at risk, I will carry something with more rounds purely for that reason but otherwise I keep it to a minimum typically. I see so many online posts and suggestions about brining "X", "Y", and "Z" and it just screams to me that they are carrying too much crap. Or they have to wear certain clothes to do so easily and it too to me just screams out they are carrying. I work around guns for a living so seeing them doesn't bother me but I can always tell more often than not who has a gun on them where I go often based on what they are wearing alone. So it's nice to see when somebody says "Here's a few small essential things, but otherwise if you're not expecting a threat there's not much need to go beyond this".
I think the real reason the .22lr has the reputation it does is how erratic it is once it enters the body. A friend of mine's dad was a highway patrolman. He told me of a man getting shot in the leg with a .22lr accidentally and it wound up lodged next to his heart. Its wound channel is not very consistent and that means even correct bullet placement may not get the job done..22wmr is way more consistent.
@Tactical Hyve If you get the magguts p365x mag extensions. You only gain about 2-3 mm to the grip which gives you enough to add pinky better but small enough to conceal the same, while making firearm 14+1
Simply rugged makes a great j frame pocket holster with a pouch that will carry a speed strip. Been carrying my j frame for 23 years every day. 9 with the simply rugged and 14 with a cheap pocket holster.
I like the silence between word's from this men. I agree with almost every thing. P.S. for people that don't know a 22lr kill a men with one shot. Regards to all and very nice work Mr. Coch's!
I was very fortunate to find a discontinued.. Smith & Wesson 342 airlite Ti ..11oz (aluminum alloy frame titanium cylinder) .. I like to pocket carry so I carry mine in my right front jeans pocket and a DeSantis Superfly holster with velcro on flap to prevent printing... I also installed full size hogue monogrips.. covers the back strap cushions my hand against recoil and gets all my fingers on the grip for maximum control... Even with the hogue monogrip I can still fit it easily in my front pocket... Loaded with federal HST .38 +p 130 gr .. which recoils extremely light like a 22 magnum out of my 11 oz gun
In my experience I found the Kimber Revolver seems to be more accurate than the S&W Revolver. Additionally, you have 1 extra round (6vs.5). I carried a 2” S&W as a backup, but never carried it as a primary sidearm. Your comments are appreciated! Thank you. 👍😊🇺🇸
Nice video been carrying sw 442 for 5 years in pocket ride bicycle hike feel comfortable in a DeSantis holster kinda reassuring to me cause I sometimes feel I should change but this is what I feel safe carrying
Look at the Smith and Wesson Wyatt deep cover. 38 special with polished trigger, belt clip. Was made for the Gunsmoke gun shop which had a tv show a few years back, but was discontinued after he went to Prison.
I like the fact that you consider revolvers. I had a " chat" with a noob(Google gun guru) about revolvers for beginners. His reply was that I suggested an" antique " for carry. Showed his ignorance. I feel very comfortable with a model 85 or 66 or Dan Wesson 15 in 4 inch. I've carried and qualified for a federal agency with a 686. So I don't feel outgunned or antiquated. But more to the point...you see nowadays basically versions of comp guns with RMRs and compensators and mag well inserts and extended mags in appendix carry as the modern version of " carrying".
Hit it straight on the head. I think too many get caught up on what the general consensus for a great carry is versus what’s actually best for THEM. What works for me may not work best for you. But then again, something like EDC is much like how we configure our kit. You’ll never know what works and what doesn’t unless you train with it and work with it everyday.
Liked this video. I would go for the 22 mag. I think most people would be beeter off with it. You want a gun you can shoot with one hand. And through your coat or a purse. Most action, the deadly part, lasts only 7 to 9 seconds. In close combat, never use the sights. Point and shoot. Don't raise the gun above chest height. You don't want tunnel vision. You want to do an eye sweep for other assailants. Numerous times I have had to deal with two, three, & sometimes 4 assailants. I was a target of numerous hit attempts because I was a whistleblower against a defense contractor and had screwed up a 40 billion dollar contract for AF tankers. Usually I carry a deringer, sometimes a 38 snub nose. For a semi auto I use a low caliber. For most incidents I use a chemical weapon first. When I use a gun I never use a sight. Point & shoot. That' why I am stll alive. The guy who shoots first usually comes ou ahead. Both on the battlefield and on the street. It' a good video for helping an inexperienced person how to choose a handgun. Don't carry to expensive a gun as you might need to get rid of it after using it. This is an important consideration.
About 10 years ago I was trying to buy a lightweight stainless steel .357 snub nose revolver at a gun show. The vendor I was talking to showed me the difference between the S&W airweight in 38 +P and the .357 stainless version. He point out the substantial weight difference and made the observation of which would I rather have, the S&W airweight in my pocket or the .357 sitting at home because it was too heavy to pocket carry. I purchased a S&W 637 in 38 +P and I carry it every day and no one has a clue that I have my pistol in my back pocket. My Glock's and Ruger's sit home collecting dust while the compact snub nose is my constant companion. My most recent concealed carry instructor poo poo'd my choice of carry gun until we got to the range and she saw what I could do with my wee wheel gun. The only good concealed carry gun is the one you'll carry with you all the time. The caliber choice discussion is a moot point in my opinion. Learn to shoot what your aiming at. A .22 mag in the forehead will ruin the day of 99.9999% of the criminals I'm familiar with, and the 38+P with JHP ammo is plenty deadly at 12 feet distance.
Ruger GP100 5 inch barrel since Elmer said its best length for 357 ammo out of revolver. Secondary is my MR920 Elite, full size, super light with 15 plus for capacity. Situation dictates what and when i carry but thats my most days EDC. Bears will be not a treat with revolver and Underwood hard cast led bullets gas checked.
I’m sure a lot of people are going to look down on his options he has, and he’s “assumption” about threat level. I have no idea who this guy is, to be honest this is the first time I’m ever seeing this channel so take this for what that’s worth. However, I have lived my life under the philosophy of don’t go to stupid places, with stupid people, doing stupid things and I grew up hearing my mother tell me “bad things happen after midnight” lol is that true? I have no idea but I don’t go to places where there are known dangers for lack of a better word. We all have those places in our towns that everyone knows as “that” place, so I chose not to go there and I chose to mitigate risk and asses dangers before I’m there. Preparedness goes beyond being prepared in the middle of the situation. So I applaud this video, looks like you’ve got another sub.
Having carried a .38 spl revolver for my duty issue in the 1980’s I much prefer a semi automatic pistol. We used safari land speed loaders which are much better and faster than stripper clips but they are a little bulky. A spare magazine on the other hand lays flat as you point out. I prefer nothing less than 9mm, preferably my.357 sigs when going to town. Even out here in flyover country we are having crazy people shooting up gas stations and Walmart in the middle of the day over stupid stuff. God forbid I have to shoot someone, I want them to stop coming after me quickly. I appreciate the video and discussion.
Wonderful content. Lately I have been switching to a P365 XL IWB and a Smith 642 in my pocket. Speed strip as well. (Some days I substitute a 2.5 inch Smith 686 plus for the Sig).
I'm 52 yrs old and enjoyed the privilege of owning a Taurus 38spl snubbie, a CZ75 and a 45 M1911 over a period of 30 years. I have also used at least another 8 different firearms owned by friends and the only one I truly miss is the revolver. By far the easiest to carry, the most trouble free, the lowest "maintenance" and the quickest to get into action in a emergency. FACTS. Especially at 3am in the morning when you're shaken awake for an emergency. Every handgun has pros & cons - EVERY one - and the key issue to consider is what you are buying it for. For close range personal defence the snubbie revolver (38 / 357 / 44) is the one you should always have.........
LMAO - "I always carry one loaded and ready to go." I would have expected no less. I have a friend who carries a GLOCK 43 having to rack on before it is ready to go. He doesn't practice. I believe he thinks having the gun makes him powerful. Me I found a SEAL who teaches in Montana. Besides absorbing your videos, I'm going to him for training. Thank you. I really enjoy your videos.
Thinking about carrying...But also " costs " if involved in a shooting. I have a " 70s" j frame, three inch barrel. Might carry this, with critical defense. Also looking at SCCY 380 pistol with critical defense. What is your thoughts about cross draw from left waist or under left arm.
Check out CCI Gold Dot Short Barrel 22 Magnum. It's specifically designed for short barrel guns and the reason I bought my 351C. 1100 fps is nothing to sneeze at.
I appreciate all of your videos, thank you for taking your time to make them! I carry OTW and prefer full size barrel. CZ 75, 17 +1 9mm. I'm a pretty large man, and actually like the weight of the sidearm. I prefer OTW, quicker access and just more comfortable. With my set-up, I can barely tell it is there. I would like to eventually get a .22 mag. I am a huge fan of .22 mag and .22 lr
Check out the S&W 43c j frame. 8 rounds .22lr. Super light weight. In an ankle holster (Galco Ankle Glove) it's very easy and fast to draw if you are sitting in your vehicle. Plus the 22lr won't be as bad on your hearing in a confined space.
@@Millstone_a_child_of_God buddy , I am.6'3", 270lbs veteran, with a long red beard, and usually a cowboy hat. I am the first target regardless. I train at least twice a week with my home defense weapon, my EDC, and the others I have in my home. So truthfully, I woild rather be the first target, than some poor kid or woman that doesn't know what they are doing.
In addition to using the Sig-365 for EDC. You can practice your shooting at IDPA shooting competitions. The Sig-365 can actually be used in three catagories. Back Up Gun (BUG), Compact Carry Pistol (CCP), and, Stock Service Pistol (SSP). There are size limitations for each catagory. For the BUG division you must use the 10-round, flat base magazine to test fit the pistol in the BUG size test fit box. The CCP catagory you must use the 10-round finger tab magazine. Must be able to put the gun in the CCP test fit box. Then you can use the 12 round magazine, with extension, for the SSP division. No test fit box required. There are round count limitations. Six rounds only for BUG, or the maximum capacity of the gun. Thus five rounds for the J frame revolvers. Six rounds for CCP, or, maximum capacity of the gun. Ten rounds for SSP division. You may carry a "Barney mag" to load the chamber at the start of the stage. Then replace the Barney mag with a magazine with a full ten rounds.
Check out new from zeta 6.. rubber speed strips in a circular pattern! Load all five or six at once just insert around and peel off the rubber strip much less bulky than a speed loader no knobs or buttons to twist or push
.22wmr is pretty good. I've seen tests where it penetrates almost as well as a .38spec. But, you're right about the .22lr too. Because even criminals understand the phrase "all hail the Bullet Swarm"
I always find it fascinating that the ex-military individuals who are the epitome of “dangerous” tend to have the most minimalist firearm setups! Makes me rethink a lot of what I have been lugging around in my own EDC rotation.
A lot have a good array of tiny pistols to have something with any type of clothing.
They are the weapon 😂
@@tizben lol exactly my dude exactly : )
@Mark March exactly
@@tizben "They are the weapon"
BOOM. I wonder what else he carries like edged weapons (knives), etc. I'd never carry revolvers like those as a primary choice.
Coch has to be one of the most reasonable people out there. He just thinks logically and realistic on subjects and dosnt let a ego or his experience from life to think little about others or thier gun choices or gear like alot of people in the gun community seem to do. What a awesome guy coch is
My dad was a cop for decades. He always carried the snub 38, for exactly the reasons you stated.
Exactly what I carry off duty. With 2 extra five star speed loaders. Ruger Lcr.
Ruger speed six its almost too big but it was passed down from my dad
I gave up on polymer guns years ago, carry a Colt DS or a six shot K frame size revolver daily either .357 or 38+P.
642 for the win. I have carried other guns, but this one is my favorite "go to" gun for ccw hands down. With Hogue grips and a Wilson spring kit it's a dream.
I’ve got a bunch of Glocks but my go-to carry is 442 (.38) or M&P 340 (.357).
Thanks for your video! 😎
😂 love that he does this at the Glock Store. Definitely enjoy these so keep them coming.
mark has a very pleasant manner. please more.
22WMR is under appreciated imo. It has its place and there have been people killed with 22LR. So 22WMR, 7 shots, IF there’s a failure to discharge the cylinder just turns over and you have another round ready to go. Built in safety with heavy trigger pull, super light weight and concealable. I like it.
While true I prefer a fatter, heavier round. .38 specials hardly kick at all and are centerfire and that makes them more reliable. A .32 long wadcutter does really good too, especially Buffalo bore wadcutters. I prefer .38 +p loadings of good jhp while .357 is just a little much for me in a snubby.
.22wmr with the 40 gr JHP is a ripping good load.
A lot of people have been killed by .22lr. And .22wmr is even better with almost the same recoil.
22. Has actually killed the most ppl lol 😂 that being said I’ll still stick with my 9 but 22 is laughably the most deadly round by volume 😂😂😂😂
I like the reasonable opinions you give. Unlike so many "experts" that talk in absolutes.
This makes a huge amount of sense. I carried a 642 for years, but it's now been supplanted by a Kimber K6s six-shot revolver that is only (very) slightly larger than a J-frame. Thanks, you've earned my subscription.
Just came upon this video. I love it!! You hit the target dead on with this. I carried all kinds of weapons during my 30 years in the Navy and now carry my 38 SPL+P revolver. It is a Taurus 856 Defender with 3" barrel. It hits right where I aim it. You are right with a 22 round too. I know I can hit any intruder to stop the attack. I didn't spend 30 yrs in the Navy and not learn that. My Wife carries a S&W 22 with 8 rounds and is very deadly with it. I just subscribed to you and look forward to more. Thanks! Don Van Winkle USN CPO Retired.
Thank you for your service to our country.
"Coch"...you're awesome. I truly appreciate your thinking and agree with you who heartedly!! NO ONE is going to stand there and take 7rds of .22Mag. Especially if you aim in the face. The P365 is a spectacular gun!! I hope to get in on one of your classes!! Stay Safe!!
Or the neck area..
I’ve got to imagine 22’s to the pelvis would stop anyone. 1. No bones to stop the round 2. Lots of vital blood vessels 3. Super painful impact below center of gravity.
I love how you talk about things! Very real and I believe every word. Super authentic.
Just a suggestion for those who choose to pocket carry. Alabama Holsters have great Kydex pocket holsters. I have one for my snubby and one for my Ruger lcp and they work great.
Very useful post! Thank you. I have a Mika holster for my 642. It's superb! There is an internal stiffener material around the barrel end which obviates the problem you point out where pocket holsters often close up. My Mika does not close up, neither is it stiff. Also, it has a grippy exterior that keeps it in the pocket when the gun is drawn.
I carried the 642, with the clip attachment as well. And I used the river speed loaders. Never had the need to use it, but definitely practiced with them. I loved it! I also carried a small semi auto when I wanted a little more impact capability. Currently gave the Glock 43x with laser and light. Sweet tool.
First, Thank you for your service. I agree with your revolver choice. I almost always carry a 642 and taught my wife how to handle, shoot and carry it as well. I love how a 642 fits in my jean or jacket pocket and doesn't print.
642 +p EDC for me, pocket holster.
I have those exact two revolvers and carry them often because they are so convenient and they are smooth and rounded frames. My wife carry’s them too. The .22 is perfect for walking around our neighborhood where dogs or people could be a threat, but both aren’t likely.
I EDC a 365XL and with a little work I'm packing 14 + I using a MAG-GUTS kit (a flat spring) & has had no problems 👍
A trip to the grocery store, is exactly why I don't carry a 5 shot revolver any more.
Standing in my driveway looking at 4 men who had followed us home with only 5 shots in my hand was the end of revolvers for me.
I'm with you there. I only carry a revolver as a backup on my ankle... but it's never the only gun on me unless I'm running which in that case I have a NAA 22 Mag mini revolver clipped to my running shorts
Normally I carry a Smith and Wesson 642 in my pocket then keep my 1911 in the glove box so at least I have something else just in case.
1. Thank you for your service to the country!!! 2. Good vid and helpful content. So many new shooters out there need to see/hear what experienced people carry and how. And reminders are always good for us geezers also!
S&W 357 magnum. "Chiefs Special" snub nose. Awesome backup gun. Been carrying it 20 plus years. Fits right in your front or back pocket.
Chiefs special is not in .357 mag
@@bonsaw57 yes it is, model 60 is 357 Magnum, 38 S&W SPECIAL +P.
Nick might have simply been confused as it was originally chambered in .38 special before remade into a .357. The first one was the model 36, not the 60.
@@taasch2505 I have the older Model 60 in 38 Special only. My friend has the new Model 60
with the shrouded ejector rod in 357 magnum.
The point is always carry no matter what love your content
365 12 with 1 in the pipe and 2 12 rd mags in the pocket everyday... I'm a electrician and work in some not so friendly areas... thank you for sharing your knowledge
I like it! This is real world. Most guys don’t want to carry a full sized gun and ammo all of the time and so have nothing because it is home in the safe. These J frames are almost unnoticeable in the pocket but are always there and ready. Good video, thanks!👍
I ran with a G26 when I first started carrying, then went to a Shield 9, eventually settled on a S&W Bodyguard 380 with an extra magazine or a S&W 342 AirLite with strip clip. I tend to follow a very minimalist ECD carry setup also.
Great Job "Coch" !, I carry the J frame, and just purchased a 365 great little gun, I am a big Glock guy, the 365 is so small and ergonomic and easy shooting and 15 rounds, cant beat it. Sig hit a home run with that and the XL in my opinion.
To carry the right firearm is very important. Having a belt on you which is capable of holding your firearm where you comfortably want it to be is very important too. Nice belt, Sir!
After trying lots of options, love my current EDC: P365XL W/15+1 extended mag + Super Tuck holster for comfort, Super Tuck conceals very well, shirt in or out. So comfortable I carry all day, at home & wherever I go that's legal. Only disadvantage, difficult to access wearing seatbelt.
Great to see a guy who knows their stuff speaking sense. Too rare on RUclips.
I made my decision long time ago that 5 rounds of .38 is enough to protect me and mine when we go out.
Very cool. Wheel guns make a lot of sense for EDC. A good friend of mine was an assistant DA for Dallas county for many years and he told me more than once that the #1 round for deaths in Dallas county was .22 cal. I get it.
Thanks for this content - always like hearing about EDC from someone who's "been there". I still prefer my Shield because I shoot it noticeably better than the 365.
Same here. I gave the P365 a try when they first came out. Used and carried for about a year and went back to the Shield.
Ditto
I also own the 351PD model and I agree it’s a fine carry revolver !!
Every material I’ve fired .22 WMR into gave me good information!
My opinion it’s a good ctg for self defense!!
My favorite EDC to have with me majority of the time is my Taurus 856 .38 which holds 6 rounds. I find it a great carry and I use a pocket holster with it and it slides right in and no one ever knows I have it 💯💯💯
I've always been a revolver guy myself. I'm not rolling into the grocery store with enough fire power to take on an invasion. I'm rolling in with just enough to save my life in case something happens.
I like the 7 round option: I suppose it would work for minor cover fire even.
I switched from the G43 to the P365 w/12 rd mags and never looked back. Great little EDC gun, especially in a warmer climate when wearing lightweight clothing.
That's a great choice. I use a P938 for similar reasons.
Great info, Coch! Those little J-Frames are excellent and addictive. I love rocking my G19 on my hip and blousing a shirt and then either throwing my 442 in a pocket or in the Galco Ankle Glove.
My EDC is as follows. G19x and 2 S&W642's with extra mags for the Glock. I carry 4 H&K #36 speed loaders, 2 in each front coat pocket. The 19x has 3 20rd mags, I drill malfs, fumbles and brain fade. I used to carry a P35 back in the early 80's. Mr. Wilson solved the mag disconnect for mine and Improved the trigger in the process. I figure if I can't get it done in 6? I should hang it all up and go read a book. Or write one.
I carry the 38 special LCR for years every day. The hardest part to carrying is it set up so it's convenient, comfortable, and safe. The back, 3 o'clock carry, or inside the waist is uncomfortable when driving. My favorite is cross draw with a leather belt holster under the shirt. The inside the pocket is good but not for me because I carry my wallet there and always reaching. But comfort is the key, or you won't have it with you when you need it.
It's a relief to hear people mention not always carrying one in the chamber due to lack of experience and comfort. There are a lot of new gun owners who don't all need to carry with one in the chamber. I think it opens the conversation up to a bigger audience and gives room for different levels of capabilities.
If you can’t carry with one in the tube you shouldn’t be carrying. Terrible advice.
Great advice from the man. I hope hes on our side when shtf here at home.
YES SIR! THIS IS THE WAY TO GO ON CCW. thank you, Sir.
Great content, I agree with his thought process being prior Marine situation will dictate what someone might carry. Some people get wrapped up in the gatchets and forget sometimes simplicity is good unless someone actually trains repetitively with the gatchets. Sometimes something is better than nothing.
I think your presentation is spot on. Civilians will most likely never be involved in a combat situation making the carrying of big bore heavy weapons unrealistic. Better to have a small caliber, easy to use weapon in your pocket at all times. At close contact engagements the small caliber will be fine.
Personal opinion, the 22 WMR is a very underestimated round. And like you said, even a 22lr is a deterrent. Criminals are looking for ‘soft targets’, just drawing on them could be enough to get them to run the other way.
Keepem coming Coch! Love to see a video about your thoughts on pistol sights.
I Love your stories and advice on weapons...I've carried & shot a lot of weapons and I think you just can't beat a good old Glock pistol
That clip grip was invented by a Detroit cop. I think every uniformed police officer in the 80’s and early 90’s carried a 2” 5 shot revolver appendix, with that grip, as their back up gun. I know I did for over 20 years.
I carried a 442 air weight on my ankle in the top of my boot zipper.
Thank you for mentioning the value of 22 magnum. Really love my Kel-tec 30 . Trying to get my wife comfortable with it for one reason, if it is needed , she should never need to reload. Probably not necessary for anyone other than military or law-enforcement to worry about reload, but if she is by herself , It just seems like easy problem to avoid.
One aspect of self defense that's often overlooked is the goal should not always be to kill the other person. It should be to end the threat. Be that because they do get killed, you run away, and etc. And yes, most every gun regardless of caliber will get you out of a sticky situation as such. That said, .22 Magnum even in snub nose barrels penetrates pretty deep. Deep enough to reliably hit vitals where as .22 LR doesn't usually in such short barrels.
I tend to opt for .32 caliber revolvers because they allow for an extra round over the typical .38's and offer more power than the .22's while still being low recoil and effective. I have to agree that if I find myself in a scenario where I believe I'm more at risk, I will carry something with more rounds purely for that reason but otherwise I keep it to a minimum typically.
I see so many online posts and suggestions about brining "X", "Y", and "Z" and it just screams to me that they are carrying too much crap. Or they have to wear certain clothes to do so easily and it too to me just screams out they are carrying. I work around guns for a living so seeing them doesn't bother me but I can always tell more often than not who has a gun on them where I go often based on what they are wearing alone.
So it's nice to see when somebody says "Here's a few small essential things, but otherwise if you're not expecting a threat there's not much need to go beyond this".
I think the real reason the .22lr has the reputation it does is how erratic it is once it enters the body. A friend of mine's dad was a highway patrolman. He told me of a man getting shot in the leg with a .22lr accidentally and it wound up lodged next to his heart. Its wound channel is not very consistent and that means even correct bullet placement may not get the job done..22wmr is way more consistent.
@Tactical Hyve If you get the magguts p365x mag extensions. You only gain about 2-3 mm to the grip which gives you enough to add pinky better but small enough to conceal the same, while making firearm 14+1
Simply rugged makes a great j frame pocket holster with a pouch that will carry a speed strip. Been carrying my j frame for 23 years every day. 9 with the simply rugged and 14 with a cheap pocket holster.
I like the different options. People need to understand that there are different tools and gear for the job .
I like the silence between word's from this men. I agree with almost every thing. P.S. for people that don't know a 22lr kill a men with one shot. Regards to all and very nice work Mr. Coch's!
22 LR was the weapon of choice for the Mossad assassins who took out the organizers of the 1972 Munich Olympics crime.
I happened to be in Munich when that took place. Crazy time...
I believe all 12 Israeli athletes were murdered.
I was very fortunate to find a discontinued.. Smith & Wesson 342 airlite Ti ..11oz (aluminum alloy frame titanium cylinder) .. I like to pocket carry so I carry mine in my right front jeans pocket and a DeSantis Superfly holster with velcro on flap to prevent printing... I also installed full size hogue monogrips.. covers the back strap cushions my hand against recoil and gets all my fingers on the grip for maximum control... Even with the hogue monogrip I can still fit it easily in my front pocket... Loaded with federal HST .38 +p 130 gr .. which recoils extremely light like a 22 magnum out of my 11 oz gun
In my experience I found the
Kimber Revolver seems to
be more accurate than the
S&W Revolver. Additionally,
you have 1 extra round (6vs.5). I carried a 2” S&W
as a backup, but never carried it as a primary sidearm. Your comments
are appreciated! Thank you. 👍😊🇺🇸
I enjoy the videos. Short, to the point and from a soldier who has "been there". Thank you, I'm now a new subscriber.
I could listen to Coch all day.
Best CCW video I’ve ever seen! Practical and informative good job!
Nice video been carrying sw 442 for 5 years in pocket ride bicycle hike feel comfortable in a DeSantis holster kinda reassuring to me cause I sometimes feel I should change but this is what I feel safe carrying
Look at the Smith and Wesson Wyatt deep cover. 38 special with polished trigger, belt clip. Was made for the Gunsmoke gun shop which had a tv show a few years back, but was discontinued after he went to Prison.
I like the fact that you consider revolvers.
I had a " chat" with a noob(Google gun guru)
about revolvers for beginners. His reply was that I suggested an" antique " for carry.
Showed his ignorance. I feel very comfortable with a model 85 or 66 or Dan Wesson 15 in 4 inch.
I've carried and qualified for a federal agency with a 686. So I don't feel outgunned or antiquated.
But more to the point...you see nowadays basically versions of comp guns with RMRs and compensators and mag well inserts and extended mags in appendix carry as the modern version of " carrying".
Solid, no BS advice. Thanks!
The 365 is an awesome choice for conceled cary, is light, slim and good quality, defenetly recomended for a EDC, keep up the good work coch💪💪👍👍
Snubbies are very good for contact distance. A semi can be pressed out of battery but a revolver works while being pressed against the threat.
Hit it straight on the head. I think too many get caught up on what the general consensus for a great carry is versus what’s actually best for THEM. What works for me may not work best for you. But then again, something like EDC is much like how we configure our kit. You’ll never know what works and what doesn’t unless you train with it and work with it everyday.
Liked this video. I would go for the 22 mag. I think most people would be beeter off with it. You want a gun you can shoot with one hand. And through your coat or a purse. Most action, the deadly part, lasts only 7 to 9 seconds. In close combat, never use the sights. Point and shoot. Don't raise the gun above chest height. You don't want tunnel vision. You want to do an eye sweep for other assailants. Numerous times I have had to deal with two, three, & sometimes 4 assailants. I was a target of numerous hit attempts because I was a whistleblower against a defense contractor and had screwed up a 40 billion dollar contract for AF tankers. Usually I carry a deringer, sometimes a 38 snub nose. For a semi auto I use a low caliber. For most incidents I use a chemical weapon first. When I use a gun I never use a sight. Point & shoot. That' why I am stll alive. The guy who shoots first usually comes ou ahead. Both on the battlefield and on the street. It' a good video for helping an inexperienced person how to choose a handgun. Don't carry to expensive a gun as you might need to get rid of it after using it. This is an important consideration.
Enjoy your videos, thank you for straight forward no nonsense information 😊
About 10 years ago I was trying to buy a lightweight stainless steel .357 snub nose revolver at a gun show. The vendor I was talking to showed me the difference between the S&W airweight in 38 +P and the .357 stainless version. He point out the substantial weight difference and made the observation of which would I rather have, the S&W airweight in my pocket or the .357 sitting at home because it was too heavy to pocket carry.
I purchased a S&W 637 in 38 +P and I carry it every day and no one has a clue that I have my pistol in my back pocket. My Glock's and Ruger's sit home collecting dust while the compact snub nose is my constant companion. My most recent concealed carry instructor poo poo'd my choice of carry gun until we got to the range and she saw what I could do with my wee wheel gun.
The only good concealed carry gun is the one you'll carry with you all the time. The caliber choice discussion is a moot point in my opinion. Learn to shoot what your aiming at. A .22 mag in the forehead will ruin the day of 99.9999% of the criminals I'm familiar with, and the 38+P with JHP ammo is plenty deadly at 12 feet distance.
At this point, you see a Coch video you just upvote, save and watch later.
Excellent advice sound, reasoned from a professional...nice change from most on the platform......thank you for applying reasoned sense..
I have a 22mag semi auto and holds 30 rds and it’s perfect
Practical applied knowledge and experience. Excellent delivery and content. Thank you.
Thanks man! Always like your thoughts and perspective!
Ruger GP100 5 inch barrel since Elmer said its best length for 357 ammo out of revolver.
Secondary is my MR920 Elite, full size, super light with 15 plus for capacity.
Situation dictates what and when i carry but thats my most days EDC.
Bears will be not a treat with revolver and Underwood hard cast led bullets gas checked.
Knowledge is power. Awesome stuff.
I’m sure a lot of people are going to look down on his options he has, and he’s “assumption” about threat level. I have no idea who this guy is, to be honest this is the first time I’m ever seeing this channel so take this for what that’s worth. However, I have lived my life under the philosophy of don’t go to stupid places, with stupid people, doing stupid things and I grew up hearing my mother tell me “bad things happen after midnight” lol is that true? I have no idea but I don’t go to places where there are known dangers for lack of a better word. We all have those places in our towns that everyone knows as “that” place, so I chose not to go there and I chose to mitigate risk and asses dangers before I’m there. Preparedness goes beyond being prepared in the middle of the situation. So I applaud this video, looks like you’ve got another sub.
Having carried a .38 spl revolver for my duty issue in the 1980’s I much prefer a semi automatic pistol. We used safari land speed loaders which are much better and faster than stripper clips but they are a little bulky. A spare magazine on the other hand lays flat as you point out. I prefer nothing less than 9mm, preferably my.357 sigs when going to town. Even out here in flyover country we are having crazy people shooting up gas stations and Walmart in the middle of the day over stupid stuff. God forbid I have to shoot someone, I want them to stop coming after me quickly. I appreciate the video and discussion.
For a pocket holster take a look at Mika Pocket Holster.
Nice, practical advice. Thanks for posting.
True advice. The 22 in your pocket is better than the anything at home.
Very reasonable information for the everyday person. Nice Work
I actually just got a 38 snub for my glove compartment, typically carry a 365 but have been known to appendix carry a 1911🤣 great video as always🤙
Wonderful content. Lately I have been switching to a P365 XL IWB and a Smith 642 in my pocket. Speed strip as well. (Some days I substitute a 2.5 inch Smith 686 plus for the Sig).
Great video, I have always been a fan of the snub nose revolver as a carry option, cheers
Check out the 365 XL Coch. With a Hogue grip, it's my new favorite carry gun.
I'm 52 yrs old and enjoyed the privilege of owning a Taurus 38spl snubbie, a CZ75 and a 45 M1911 over a period of 30 years. I have also used at least another 8 different firearms owned by friends and the only one I truly miss is the revolver. By far the easiest to carry, the most trouble free, the lowest "maintenance" and the quickest to get into action in a emergency. FACTS. Especially at 3am in the morning when you're shaken awake for an emergency. Every handgun has pros & cons - EVERY one - and the key issue to consider is what you are buying it for. For close range personal defence the snubbie revolver (38 / 357 / 44) is the one you should always have.........
LMAO - "I always carry one loaded and ready to go." I would have expected no less. I have a friend who carries a GLOCK 43 having to rack on before it is ready to go. He doesn't practice. I believe he thinks having the gun makes him powerful. Me I found a SEAL who teaches in Montana. Besides absorbing your videos, I'm going to him for training. Thank you. I really enjoy your videos.
Simply rugged makes a good pocket holster for the j frame
Less is more. No BS here. I like this guy. It's the mindset. Always
Thinking about carrying...But also " costs " if involved in a shooting. I have a " 70s" j frame, three inch barrel. Might carry this, with critical defense. Also looking at SCCY 380 pistol with critical defense. What is your thoughts about cross draw from left waist or under left arm.
Thank you for explaining this information with people. I want to purchase not sure what to get at this time.
Check out CCI Gold Dot Short Barrel 22 Magnum. It's specifically designed for short barrel guns
and the reason I bought my 351C. 1100 fps is nothing to sneeze at.
I appreciate all of your videos, thank you for taking your time to make them!
I carry OTW and prefer full size barrel. CZ 75, 17 +1 9mm. I'm a pretty large man, and actually like the weight of the sidearm. I prefer OTW, quicker access and just more comfortable. With my set-up, I can barely tell it is there. I would like to eventually get a .22 mag. I am a huge fan of .22 mag and .22 lr
Check out the S&W 43c j frame. 8 rounds .22lr. Super light weight. In an ankle holster (Galco Ankle Glove) it's very easy and fast to draw if you are sitting in your vehicle. Plus the 22lr won't be as bad on your hearing in a confined space.
@@Millstone_a_child_of_God buddy , I am.6'3", 270lbs veteran, with a long red beard, and usually a cowboy hat. I am the first target regardless. I train at least twice a week with my home defense weapon, my EDC, and the others I have in my home. So truthfully, I woild rather be the first target, than some poor kid or woman that doesn't know what they are doing.
In addition to using the Sig-365 for EDC. You can practice your shooting at IDPA shooting competitions. The Sig-365 can actually be used in three catagories. Back Up Gun (BUG), Compact Carry Pistol (CCP), and, Stock Service Pistol (SSP).
There are size limitations for each catagory. For the BUG division you must use the 10-round, flat base magazine to test fit the pistol in the BUG size test fit box. The CCP catagory you must use the 10-round finger tab magazine. Must be able to put the gun in the CCP test fit box. Then you can use the 12 round magazine, with extension, for the SSP division. No test fit box required.
There are round count limitations. Six rounds only for BUG, or the maximum capacity of the gun. Thus five rounds for the J frame revolvers. Six rounds for CCP, or, maximum capacity of the gun. Ten rounds for SSP division. You may carry a "Barney mag" to load the chamber at the start of the stage. Then replace the Barney mag with a magazine with a full ten rounds.
Love Coch's vids! Great info! Thanks.
Check out new from zeta 6.. rubber speed strips in a circular pattern! Load all five or six at once just insert around and peel off the rubber strip much less bulky than a speed loader no knobs or buttons to twist or push
I upgraded the p3at mag catch and that's my pocket gun. crappy trigger but if you stage it it works fine.
.22wmr is pretty good. I've seen tests where it penetrates almost as well as a .38spec. But, you're right about the .22lr too. Because even criminals understand the phrase "all hail the Bullet Swarm"
Barami hip clip and grip adapters on the revolver...this guy knows his stuff.