“You command an a decades old armada made to take a system. I command a fleet meant to destroy it, and has stood or for over a millennium. I’ve stared down nightmares, monsters, witchs and Gods without faltering. What have you stated down, other than a couple traitors and heretics, blue skin? I find the idea we are equal in anyway offensive.” -Lord Solar Macharius to Thrawn over vox as the Chimera is being destroyed
Yippe Ki Yay M#$@^#%$@ -Grand Admiral Thrawn to Lord Solar Macharius via open channel as all the engines in the Imperium fleet explode due to stealth mines released with the Chimera used as bait
" your tactics are easy to read like a book your eyes to blinded by rage to see the bigger picture you inspire yes but you see golden man I've already won your supplies are cut off your Reinforcements are being destroyed by your own flawed fast travel and your command chain broken war is like chess and I've already seen your plans play out" - Lieutenant thrawn as his Force's Surrounds machariuse main Base
@ “ you really believe i didn’t think of your assassins when assessing your imperium” - thwarn said as it’s revealed it was a body doubled as the deathstar readys its weapon on the planet
Macharius is such an underrated hero. The guy went a lifetime in the imperium having only lost 1 battle. His leadership conquered 1000 worlds. His downfall was the broken pride of the high lords who refused to see his loyalty for the possibility of them loosing power, when in reality his only concern in life was spreading the emperors domain. If you haven’t read his books, I can’t recommend them enough. They are amazingly written and you follow his bodyguards who are frankly so well written you wish they were real people. And the memes in that book would be legendary if more knew about them. SPOILERS!!! A guardsmen dates an imperial assassin and parties with space wolves. Truly legendary
Not all but the majority sadly yes, desperate to claim all the power his council of generals declared independence from the imperium. Dividing up his empire and drawing a black crusade to slap most of the 1000 worlds. Macharius was a greater general than most Primarchs. Limited only by the fact the dark eldar poisoned him and made rejuve treatments impossible. He conquered 1000 worlds in less than 50 years.
I really like that this song doesn’t describe any clear victor in this epic duel of strategic genius. Merely highlighting the fact that Grand Admiral Mitth'raw'nuruodo of the Galactic Empire and Lord Commander Solar Macharius would have found each other to be truly worthy opponents.
@@JTMannMusic That's not a distinction Macharius would care to make. Not because he wouldn't be aware it's technically true, but because he would quickly recognize the human supremacism laced into the Empire's culture and exploit it to cause Thrawn internal problems by mounting a propaganda campaign to spread the Imperial Creed in his ranks and stoke internal racial strife in a human-dominated military under an alien commander. He could cause havoc in Thrawn's ranks leaving him constantly dealing with betrayals and defections, and Thrawn would have little answer to it, religious fervor, commissars, and the inquisition make Imperium forces more resistant to the same tactic.
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 they are in different levels, tactically and magnitude wise Thrawn is on par with a sector commander, macharius simply fought and commanded things on a much much much greater scale... This comparison doesn't work, it's the equivalent of comparing a sniper bullet to a ballistic missile
@@Riimaachan i feel Macharius is more of master Logistician, allocating and relocating resources as needed. leaving tactical decision making to his front line commanders. Thrawn is like a sharp scalpel making effective use of his resources to achieve his goals.
@@RuneMasterKnight not really, macharius IS the frond line commander... As in like he is literally shooting and charging Infront of everyone and after the battle is done he is doing logistics with mechanicus advisors XD
@@Riimaachan really? i figured with all threats besieged the imperium the leader of the whole astra militarum can't just fight in one battle front one after the other and losing the view of the overall bigger picture. someone has to process all the battle reports, statistical analyses, requisition request from all the segmentum commanders battling different threats, evaluating strategic values of planets and assigning the appropriate force to counter threats.
It's a close match, assuming they have equal "points" worth of forces, but I believe Macharius would win in the end. Thrawn would likely recognize him immediately as a megalomaniac (he's wearing gold armor covered in laurels, it's not hard to deduce) and simply give ground until Macharius overextends, then close the vice on him. And that SHOULD work...in a sane universe. But Macharius isn't from a sane universe, and Thrawn's logical mind will make it difficult for him to adapt to the random nonsense the Imperium can pull out of its rear when they're in a bind. Sororitas will perform miracles, flaming ghost marines will suddenly take the field out of nowhere, dead enemies will come back to life as saints, etc etc. Thrawn is likely to believe that Macharius has stretched himself too thin before it's actually happened, and spring his traps prematurely, not expecting the Imperium's religion to be tangibly real. Then Thrawn will be on his back foot while the Imperium rallies and pressures him, and there's a good chance the war machine of the guard will grind him down faster than he can adapt and turn it around.
Not to mention the initial shock of having to fight an enemy with supply lines like the Imperial Guard does just their las weapons being rechargeable or even solar, body and fire heat powered in a pinch would throw him off a bit i'd suspect
@@essexclass8168 At first, yes, but ultimately I think logistics would favor Thrawn for one reason: HYPERDRIVE. Thrawn never has to worry about his supplies and reinforcements getting lost in a warp storm, showing up a century late, or coming out of FTL completely insane or being chased by daemons. While both methods have their limitations (hyperlanes/astronomicon), hyperdrive is generally faster and you show up when and where you expected to. Of course, there's risk of the tech being salvaged and reverse engineered by the Imperium, which would require Thrawn to adopt something like the Cole Protocol, but the Mechanicus is superstitious and resistant to new ideas, which would slow that down a lot.
@@Aurondarklord I actually doubt this as Warp travel would be better in the SW Galaxy without all the bad thoughts warping the Immaterium in the SW Galaxy, whereas Hyperdrive lanes would be non-existent in the Milky Way making every jump dangerous. In the long run Blaster gas would have to be procured from specific worlds whereas Prometheium and Electricity is virtually available everywhere.
@@essexclass8168 For the sake of fair comparison I'm assuming neither of them has a "home field advantage" and they would be fighting on neutral ground where all of their usual technology and abilities work the way they normally do, the standard format for crossover vs battles. So Thrawn has charted hyperlanes, Macharius has the light of the astronomicon, daemons remain a concern for psykers but won't suddenly become a problem for Force sensitives. Etc.
@@Aurondarklord Hyperdrives straight up wouldn't have hyperlanes while Warp Travel wouldn't have a galactic murder orgy to encumber it in a neutral setting. That's the thing the Imperium's FTL doesn't work the way it normally should the way it normally does in 40k. The Astronomicon is only needed by the Imperium because the Milky Way's sea of souls is so turbulent, Warp Drives have been used for at least 10000 years without the need of the Astronomicon prior to the Age of Strife and fall of the Eldar because the warp wasnt as treacherous at the time. Unless similar, if not the same events have occured in the neutral setting why would the warp's terrain be the same as in 40k's home galaxy? On the other hand, hyperspace lanes are explicitly a homefield advantage, they only exist because they have been built by species native to the SW Galaxy for millennia before anyone else, including the builders, took to the stars. What you're speaking of isn't neutral ground, it's weighted ground in the Imperium's disadvantage and the Empire's advantage.
They are both the Version of themself in a different Universe. Macharius is a Thrawn and Thrawn is a Macharius. ... and before someone say that Macharius could never be a Xeno: The Chiss are Humans or more a Subspecies of the Humans. Lost Miniers on chissila or whatever the Homeworld from the Chiss is written.
Yep, they're near-humans...a chunk of it is implied that they were colonists that modified themselves for better environmental adaptation to the colder weather their homeworld has.
@@AzraelThanatos Well. They are a Sub Human Species like many Beings in the Galaxy in SW. Like the Miraluka if i'm not mistaken. The all 100% Blinde and Force Sensitive ones and not the Green Ones. Jep... another Sub Human branch! Could serve good in the Armys oder Navy of Big E like Ogryns.
Macharius: Assets: Master of direct warfare. Bold, charismatic, men will follow him into Hell. Imperium is better at combined arms warfare and close combat. Better variety of "surprise" units, psykers, supersoldiers, freaky ancient tech. Imperial religion is both a propaganda and anti-propaganda tool. God is literally on his side, allowing miracles and outside context problems. Liabilities: Megalomaniac. His ego leaves him prone to overcommitting. Can get his hands tied by the Imperium's labyrinthine bureaucracy. Won't do anything that's against his religion. Prone to pushing his men so hard morale and discipline break down. Thrawn: Assets: Master of indirect warfare. Subtle, careful, great at understanding his enemies. Better logistics and supply lines due to far faster and more reliable FTL tech. Reliable supernatural units. Sith never spontaneously explode or get possessed. More adaptable, his scientists innovate and aren't constrained by dogma. Liabilities: Sociopath. Sometimes fails to factor emotion and the human spirit into his calculations. Non-human leader of a military with human supremacist leanings. Empire's corruption makes quality and competence of officers unreliable. Hyper-rationality will make 40k lunacy difficult for him to understand.
@@DamonCummings-yg7ds You don't get to where he is without one. But he's not the guy running around in solid gold armor and laurel wreaths. Macharius is an Alexander the Great expy.
What this means in my opinion is that Macharius would win if we’re viewing this as a single large-scale battle, but Thrawn probably has the advantage if we’re treating this as an actual war stretched out over dozens or hundreds of battles. If Thrawn has time to study imperium tactics, art, and religion, then that combined with his “mastery of indirect warfare” as you put it as well has his superior FTL and logistical capacity could gain the upper hand over time.
Thrawn would punch way above his weight class and give the imperium and even Macharius a challenge. But the real defining factor of the conflict would be that macharius in general just has better "stuff" Soldier vs Soldier, a Stormtrooper is basically a PDF soldier below a guardsmen. A blaster should be somewhere between a autogun and a lazgun in terms of damage, so they wouldn't be helpless, but canon stormtroopers are less well trained and have weaker morale. Ship vs. ship, a canon ISD is basically just an escort vessal in 40k. They could hold their own in numbers, and between thrawns tactics and the logistical advantage of hyperspace he will definitely make the most of them, but macharius has the best of the imperiums ships, which likely includes some DAOT ships Also just tactically, Macharius has way more cards up his sleeve. Thrawns biggest weakness was that he couldn't account for the force, or space magic in general since it wasn't something he could predict. How could he account for something like living saints, psykers, imperial assassins, all of whom would be in the hands of a tactical genius like Macharion. Yeah thrawn is that guy, but the best commanders of 40k are cut from that same cloth and have the absurd arsenal of 40k along with it
Thrawns stormtroopers are on par with the Tempestus Scions not PDF, they are the special forces trained and educated in a system very similar to the Schola Progenium. The regular Imperial Army, depending on where they are raised would be either IG or PDF quality. There is nothing (outside of certain Jedi or Sith) that could hit on par with Space Marines in the Star Wars universe. Also I do not know of any escort vessel in 40k that can undertake an Exterminatus on a planet, each Star Destroyer (both Imperial I and II) can and will do so when called upon so that would even up the firepower requirements even if the size of the ships cannot be disputed. I do believe that you are correct in some parts but your breakdown does not do justice to Star Wars. Also if we take into account Jedi Master Joruus C'boath then Thrawn does have access to the Force though in a relatively uncontrolled state and would be able to rely on Battle Meditation which would decoordinate the Imperiums Forces and make Thrawns forces far more in sync with each other. It probably wouldn't work nearly as well against the Space Marines and Sisters of Battle but they would be in the minority compared to the mass forces of the Guard. (It would be probably tip the balance even more in Thrawns favor if we gave him access to some of the ships in Star Wars that he would not during the course of his life such as the Executor and Eclipse class Star Dreadnaught and the Nebula class Star Destroyer, which is arguably the best Star Destroyer ever created and could hit far beyond its own weight class, and if Thrawn was in command of the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, which included: Lukes New Jedi Order, the New Republic, Hapes Consortium and Imperial Remnant, then Thrawn could probably draw even at least if not surpass even Macharius' crusade)
I get that you are basing most of your knowledge off of cannon, but in legends he acounted for all of this. the hard countered the force better than the old sith empire did. he used Ysalamir (essentially 40k blanks) to turn all of his stormtroopers (who were elite in legends) into pseudo sisters of silence. Even if those didn't work on psychers he would adapt and start cloning blanks. Don't forget that he already has brought a galaxy spanning empire to its knees once, the only thing that stopped him being a shitty deal vader had with some allies. as for ships, yeah the imperium has an advantage but if we go from when Thrawn returns we are talking each fleet having an SSD or greater which would be on par with imperial line ships, the star destroyer is also liable ot punch above its weight class simply because of all the wasted space on imperial vessels so slightly better than most esscorts (though one hit with a lance is liable to bring down sheilds or worse lol). now for fighters that si where the Empire gets its advantage because thrawn extensively used tie defenders. in essence cannon thrawn gets powned by macharius, legends thrawn just might come on top. sorry if that was a little ranty. Edit: forgot to mention, blasters in the novelization of a new hope hit HARD like hollowpoint damage in an armor-piercing body. So while not quite bolters they are definitely stronger, albeit slower with a shorter range, than lasguns. in game terms, I'd put them at a strength 3.5 (Unplayable but you get the message).
@@aesonkeel6527 the only problem is that sure a Thrawn stormtrooper is better than a guardsman, but its relative its not as good as a Scion which would be more like the clones sinde they are nigh superhuman. And stuff like Titans and Knights he cant actually deal with besides orbital bombardment, (hoping its not an Emperor class titan it could fire back and tank the shot too), for the simple fact that most of Star Wars are based of lighter vehicules and not piercing through a litteral hill worth of metal, same for the Space warfare, Thrawn is indeed the better space fighter and would outmanoeuvre his opponent all day, while basically using the webway honestly, and rendering much bigger ships worthless by striking critical components whenever a ship or small enough flotille is around. Problem being 40k being 40k, he IS going to be outnumbered, he is used to fighting outnumbered true, but usually its because its ennemies also has common sense and wants to protect its assets when threatened, instead of Kamikaze themselves into the nearest star destroyer. Honestly Thrawn cannot win with what he had in Canon. Now put him in controll of the Full Galatic Empire and not most of the North really after everything kinda fell apart. Put him in controll of the trade federation works too especially without the droid failsafe made to lose stuff, such easy to manufacture numbers would allow him to use his usual tactics and withstand the attrition, in which the Imperium always has the upper hand otherwise. If cant do that he needs to lead a 40k faction in order to win. Im of the belief Thrawn is the better Commander but Macharius has the better army since he has the numbers and the quality to face with Thrawns quality
to be fair if Thrawn was given a similar position in the imperium. he would be an absolute menace on the battlefield. he would rival mecharius, creed and even roboute in terms of strategy, in fact i think he would love the ultramarines. they have very similar battle philosophy's. and guilliman would possibly make him a high lord. though thrawn would hate the beaucracy more then he did the empires. but still he would be a menace on the battlefield. especially with how easy it would be manipulate his opponents with simple insults and the abundance of art and literature. though he of course would tear apart the imperial creed. he would also probably be one of the imperiums worst nightmares as an opponent due to that fact.
Thrawn as an eldar, tau, or necron would be even more devestating than the imperium. I do wonder how he would handle it though. The warp is impossible to fully predict and 40k has a lot of curveball that might throw him off course until he started anticipating things.
@ if thrawn was a non imperial he would probably know that committing to open battle against the imperium would be not only risky but pointless. Likely he would try and manipulate the imperiums zealotry to attack planets or locations via misinformation. Probably either by double agents or leaking out false information with fake orders. Try and draw the imperium into designated places where he could fight and retreat at his own pace by using rumors of sacred relics. He would fight the imperium like he did the new republic in the EU. Mostly hit and runs. And only committing to open battle when he deems it advantages to.
given that thrawn has a near supernatural ability to divine an opponents tactics from their art and the imperium literally coats their ships in art and iconography...
Ah but often times the art used is limited or small scale. With the imperium there is great volume of it shouting loud and proud. In such noise a subtle knife could slid in with hidden gile.
The sheer dogmatism of the Imperium might frustrate Thrawn's analysis though. They don't understand half of their own symbols, they mix history and religion, they do superstitious things that make no sense but work anyway because the nature of the Warp makes things real if they're believed in hard enough. Thrawn might dismiss elements of Imperial ideology as nonsense only for them to turn out to be very real and bite him in the ass.
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 yes and no, the lore and rules are very inconsistent but it's usually anywhere from tens of thousands of kilometers to hundreds of thousands of kilometers Ramming and close Broadsides are the preferred tactics of the Space Marines who excel at boarding to begin with Also, Psykers, while thrawn can virtually divine an opponent's tactics from their warp, the Imperium can literally divine his tactics and, to a limited extent, the future via magic *and* supercomputer prediction. Thrawn would also have to accept the insanity of the Imperium
You know... Whats to stop the Imperium from just teleporting their troops directly on to the command bridge of a star destroyer like the Chimera? [Oh wait... forgot Thrawn converted the luxury entertainment suite on the Chimaera into his private command room. But... while that keeps Thrawn safe from any teleporting boarding parties (under the assumption they dont know where the room is located at, which they probably dont since this was modified by Thrawn) the Chimaera's bridge crew likely aren't. And I don't think Thrawn can access the Chimaera's ship controls in his private command room, pretty sure he can only issue out orders to the personnel at the controls on the bridge.
I think they’re about even it would come down to what resources they have, and who they have as their subordinates. If one has have uselessly officers they lose.
Thrawn has the issue of bad officers. The officers of the Imperium may have a lot of corruption in their command structure, but they know their loyalties and ultimately serve the emperor to their best ability in the end. Most officers in the galactic empire are only loyal to themselves.
The nerve of the average Imperial Trooper against the Average guardsman would also play a part i suspect. the Imperial Guard might be nearly unbreakable even if they might retreat from time to time unless Thrawn has vong and force beasts around, whereas Imperial psykers, cherubs, penitent engines, fanatics such as death cult assassins and the ministorum priests, (as Macharius led a combined force and not just an IG one), and angels and daemons might be too much for anyone but Stormtroopers and above to handle. and if Macharius has access to the Office of the Assassins, Thrawn might meet his fate very quickly similarly to how he did in the books with a Vanus or Callidus assassin around It'd be like fighting the older Sith Empires. And then there's the Mechanicus and their Cyberwarfare and the potential advantage in Intelligence posed by Psykers in a galaxy with a collective Psyche not as schizoprenic as the warp of the Milky Way. Ironically the battle between these two great commanders may be decided by their troops capabilities and not their tactical and strategic genius
Christ, both are wonderful commanders. Both are smarter than whole university campuses. Thrawn is a magnificent analyst, Macharious is a supreme commander and inspiring figure. One-on-one is to Macharious no question. Tactically, Thrawn is the better schemer. But a full-on war between them, with similar resources, is to our Lord Solar. The Imperium is a better/more powerful power down to the individual soldier. The Empire is the most powerful power in its universe because the political maneuver of Palpatine made it the ONLY power. The Imperium had to claw its way to the top in a thousand dead worlds and a hundred dead empires. Now, you give Thrawn and Imperium battlefleet? on void is Thrawn´s game, on ground it Macharious´s domain. Together? You better run, you heretic.
dear god emperor fighting both of them at once sounds awful. imagine having your space fleet get obliterated by thrawn only to have to flee to the nearest planet while bieng followed by an army lead by macharius. that is too cruel and unusual of a punishment for it not to be some kind of warcrime.
Macharius has the advantage in troop numbers and the more powerful weaponry, but Thrawn holds the advantage of intellect and has been in a similar position before and came out on top. Honestly the ending point is how loyal their troops are to their commander, and while Macharius's forces refused to go past the light of the Astronimicon forcing him to retreat Thrawn inspires incredible loyalty in his troops to the point there was a massive effort be the Imperial Remnant undertook to get him back from another galaxy, something that was considered borderline impossible, so I think Thrawn pretty easily clears in the troop loyalty department.
Macharius had conquered 1000 planets at that point and was aiming to conquer a part of the galaxy considered more terrifying than the eye of terror, it's not the idyllic walk in the park the nightsister witch sect comes from. Also depending on the Thrawn we're talking about he was assassinated in the middle of the battle of Bilbringi or was comically incompetent as shown in Ahsoka, losing powerful allies and several stormtroopers because he didn't execute a Jedi he had just effectively captured or killed his enemies with a gunship he used to drop forces he wasted for no real reason.
Different circumstances: Macharius had more or less no shortage of resources or support Legends Thrawn used a dozen Star Destroyers and less than a hundred smaller warships to bring a galactic government to its knees in a year
the New Republic was barely even an excuse of a galactic power... I honestly think they are equal in terms of tactical genius, but Macharius literally has God on his side.
@ in 9ABY? They were the dominant force in the galaxy. Still thousands of warships, the more or less acknowledged galactic government after several campaigns against the Warlords and the scattered remnants.
@ Ahhhhh well I suppose thats fair sorry if the comment came off snapping at all, it can be confusing now comparing new Disney lore to Legends. In Legends the New Republic did not have a hooray miracle one year after Endor final victory over the Empire, in fact a Concordance wouldn’t come till 19ABY. In between that time was near endless war between the New Republic, Imperial breakaways, Warlords, independent powers, a Reborn Palpatine (Clones+Essence Transfer=R2 ended up saving the galaxy again), and throughout it the New Republic was in a constant state of military conflict+war readiness. Thrawn’s return to the galaxy in 9ABY was more or less after the NR had appeared to solidly secure its position as galactic titan, then with solid tactics and a dozen ISD’s he brought it to its knees and was only eventually defeated by being betrayed. And thats a very big condensing of lore lmao
I have been a casual Warhammer 40k fan for a couple of years but curiously enough, I literally only learn about Macharius today. And the more I resd of him online about this IoM Space equivalent of Alexander the Great, the more I wonder what he would make of Grand Admiral Thrawn and vice-versa. Imagine my surprise when this appeared on my feed. Amazing work. Thank you. Subscribed and waiting for more creative bangers!
@@JTMannMusicIt just occurred to me that if you ever decide to make a sort of spiritual sequel/spin-off to this song, then making a song about a similar clash of titans between Master Tacticians Thrawn and Revan might make for a very fun project. Plus, you can just bet that if the quality is anywhere near this, you will have star wars legends fans coming to your song/video in droves man. Droves, I say!
I like song that just implies a massive battle between two forces with strong-minded leaders, and not just "The Imperium wins because EMPEROR TOLD US" Lets be real, any W40k VS Star Wars ends with W40K victory, sadly because the Imperium's stronger, but I'd like to think that minds like Thrawn's or powers like Tenebra/Valkorion's could defeat the Imperium in an equal-forces battle
The Imperiums victory is only close to certain if they can bring their full military might to the Star Wars galaxy. This would never be the case however
Macarius would likely rely on ww1 or 2 tactics due to his universes nature, while thrawn would use tactics found from the various parts of the Cold War. It would ultimately on which one could find the weaknesses found in those.
@Aurondarklord That's just wrong. Star wars is able to adapt to modern day tactics, and Thrawn is an ingenious military commander. He'd be able to adapt on the fly.
Awesome song. Here's how it is In my mind. Macharius is the better fighter, stronger, longer lived therefore more experienced, and much more ruthless. He has no qualms about throwing away the lives of his men. Thrawn, on the other hand, is far more intelligent. He will most likely make use of his prep time to study the imperium, see its ins and outs, and come up with the correct solution to deal with it. If the imperium was to suddenly appear, Thrawn would remain calm, assess the situation and create the best solution. Both these men's greatest weakness would not be within them but without. Both empires are notoriously incompetent. Thrawn would be in command of glory hounds who'd disobey orders the second he turns his back, Macharius has to deal with people who have the wrath of a hippo and the brain of a toddler. It would ultimately end in the situation where the two admirals would be in that cat and mouse game at each other with their own ships, like in that one episode where Anakin BS'd his way past Admiral Trench.
Ngl macharious has been sharpening himself against all the enemies of mankind in 40k which are all way more OP than droids. Thrawn mostly has experience trying to capture small rebel groups and against the droid army but macharious was in the trenches ten toes down fighting everything. Dude is basically the human guilliman.
I would recommend keeping the theme of it not saying who won a few of the older songs kinda felt like it was going "lol look how cool 40k is star wars is nothing" I know thats not what you were probably going for but it can come off that ways sometimes.
As a recent Warhammer 40k enjoyer and was originally a Star Wars fan seeing Thrawn would already a probably and when I got my research done on Machariucs I see why this is a huge “But” fight but if everything is on resources, Loyalty to there command, and believe, The imperium win in the believe part with no challenge the Imperium believes the have fought to keep humanity together and with that the also win the Loyalty part. Seeing him as a problem and a huge one if left unchecked like how the Tau came around the will do anything to beat down Thrawn but resources are on both side more on the Imperium side but it’s there. So with my knowledge put in well I would say the battle would last a long long time it won’t last forever and Thrawn sadly would getting beaten slowly painfully sure Thrawn can buy time he’s good at that but he can’t stop a empire 100 times the size of the Galactic empire and hell the rebels show if you use your tools right you can beat a empire but this is the Imperium and main war tactics the Imperium would win the would see Thrawn as a good foe and maybe even see him as a equal during the battle but that’s a Imperium victory
If Macharius was is Star Wars vs 40k, the Republic, Separatists, neutral systems, and Hutts would have been utterly doomed. It would simply be a matter of how long it takes Macharius to kill them.
@@JTMannMusicI completely understand. I know an Wattpad author used the image (that you used for this epic song) for his Thrawn (Star Wars: Rebels) x warhammer fanfic book. 😅
Thrawn would have most likely researched all about him before they were to even have an encounter. And if Eli Vanto was still with him. It’s over. Thrawn would come out as the victor
Honestly ,depending on situation, I see Thrawn winning. Macharius isn’t the most cautious person in the galaxy, I think I only know a bit about him, so I could see him launching lightning fast assaults while Thrawn pulls back in mock retreat to attempt entrapments of Mach’s forces. Before launching a devastating counter attack. Thrawn is used to operating with basically no ships and soldiers against much larger and more well equipped foes, while Mach is used to having a functionally unlimited amount of resources to destroy the enemy with. Thrawn will act cautiously to preserve the life of his forces until he can inflict a devastating blow, while Mach will send in waves of troops just to end the battle as quickly as possible.
In terms of overall tactical acumen, I think Thrawn would be a worthy match for Macharius. However, the forces the Imperium can bring to bear would completely trump the Empire's. One astartes would be more than a match for dozens of stormtroopers and titans would eat AT-ATs for lunch. Even the Death Star isn't surviving a cyclonic torpedo strike.
And, we know even if they have something truly strong position like Kuat or Coruscant there still are ways to win, only one thing to say, gigant space rock
Not arguing on the first two statements about ground units at all, they’re totally correct. But, the Death Star could absolutely survive a cyclonic torpedo strike. Most people really don’t understand how completely absurd the Death Star actually is. The key to this is that the Death Star is designed to be able to destroy planets of almost any size, up to and including gas giants, and including planets with planetary shields. This makes its beam way overkill for an earth-sized planet. To confirm this, one only need look at the size of the resulting explosion when the Death Star destroys Alderaan - the explosion is fucking huge, with the debris cloud expanding to many times the radius of the planet in mere seconds. From this, there are two relevant facts. First, the Death Star stays in orbit after destroying planets, which means that it must be designed to survive chunks of said planets hurling into it at of thousands of kilometers per second. Second, even a tiny amount of inefficiency in a reactor that generates that much power would create an absurd amount of waste heat, meaning that the Death Star must dissipate heat in the at least the zettawatt range, but likely far higher. I can do the math on both of these if you want, but suffice it to say that a cyclonic torpedo isn’t even denting the Death Star. Of course, it might be a different story with a 2-stage cyclonic torpedo, but even then I’m not sure it’s so cut and dry.
@@yourewrong9028 Perhaps, the best way to defeat the death star its not by direct combat, but calling the most destructive marines and destroy their supplies lines, the imperium of star wars is well know for being bad at the supplies lines.
Great work my friend! :D Just subbed to your channel as well! :D Also for your next one can you have Thrawn and his Night Trooper army vs. New Republic maybe?
Everyone says, "Thrawn is a Navy officer, not an Army officer, so Macharius has the advantage," but this is untrue. Some may think that Thrawn would have a harder time commanding troops in a land battle but that would not be the case, he is not only proficient in naval warfare. Thrawn had to climb the ranks, which means he has experience commanding different levels of military. In the new Thrawn trilogy of books that is canon, Thrawn demonstrates remarkable intelligence, problem-solving, and deduction skills. Thrawn would most certainly be able to survive and thrive in a military general setting. Thrawn deserves more credit than people are giving him. If anything, it would be Macharius who would be at a disadvantage. Macharius relies on having a fundamentally better army and uses sheer force to power his way through. Tactics like this can become a crutch because one does not practice high creative thinking often. Thrawn would probably find a way to use this against Macharius and formulate a plan to separate Macharius from the mightiest parts of his army thus pulling the rug from beneath Macharius's feet and putting him on the ropes. Also, the way Macharius fights is predictable which is dangerous when facing someone like Thrawn who is already good at predicting an opponent's moves. When facing new opponents, Thrawn is better at using methods to gain information about said opponent. Mecharius may be a genius and have a stronger army but Thrawn wins. Thrawn Is better at thinking on the fly and adapting. Macharius may have the stronger army but Thrawn has all the information. Thrawn knows how to recover, salvage, and use any situation to his benefit and because of all of this, Thrawn wins.
@@IAmAlpharius20 He would as he would study him and quickly figure it out as he always does. It's not hard to learn the way a foe operates, any half decent strategist does it with relative ease. The hard part is countering it which is where things get interesting
@@WiheScarsOfKhan 40k has a general power advantage but it isn't as big as many think. If the Imperium could bring their full force against the Star Wars galaxy then yes they win, but we both know they cannot. I think AFanWithTooMuchTime depicts how such a war would look like quite well
It comes down to the forces they command. The Empire lost to a few space wizards and the rebels, for the average guardsmen regiment its Tuesday. The Empire might have better training but the Imperium forces don't mind dying and they fought stronger and way more advanced threats and won. The Deathcore of Krieg would probably try to beat Vader to death with shovels. The Imperium would be at severe disadvantage in space tho thanks to the advanced FTL travel of the Empire navy.
nah, ultimently they both have range isues that balence out (empire only can go as far as hyperspace lanes alow, and the iom is only got the range of the astronomicon).
@@aureklanderson4498 The Astronomicon rather serves as a beacon and landmark in the Warp. So the ships of the Imperium can jump into the Warp anywhere without it, but this is considered pure suicide. Therefore, it is impossible to swim even in the real ocean without a guide.
@aureklanderson4498 However, one is more reliable than the other when getting reinforcements on time. The Galactic Empire doesn't have to worry about their fleets getting randomly lost in the warp for some reason.
As Expected the Song is Great. In my opinion Thrawn, would win this matchup; Macharius was a skilled strategist. Some times he is a little to rigged in his mindset, relying on mass unit tactics and trench warfare. Thrawn however, was able to seamlessly integrate Insurgent tactics together with standard Imperial shock and awe tactics. But ultimately it would come down to the troops under their command; in that case the Astra Militarum would have a major disadvantage; average Imperial Guardsman; Gets around 4 months training, standard Carapace Flack Armor; which gives good protection against projectiles, but virtually no defense against directed energy weapons, over normal cloth combat uniform. And are equipped with a standard "Triplex" Pattern Lasgun; A good sturdy weapon that fires a beem of Light, intense enouph to melt bone. Meanwhile your average Imperial Army Trooper; receives between 3 to 4 years of training. Army Troops are equipped with standard Plastoid Armor; each plate is designed to dissipate heat and physical impact across the hole of the armor, over a standard Thermocloth uniform, making them almost invulnerable to standard hand held laser weapons, unless you shoot them in the face. The standard weapon for your average Imperial Army Trooper is the E11 Blaster Rifle Carbine; which fires a bolt of superheated plasma, not unlike a Tau Pulls Rifle; which have bean described as able to punch through Power Armor. only more compact and advanced, with to ability to firing fully auto at 300 shots a minute. Also Astra Militarum regiments are single unite regiments, Infantry, Cavalry, Tanks, vs Imperial Army Regiments are always combined arms regiments. so in order to counter 1 Army regiment, 2 or even 3 Guard regiments would be needed. in closing with out Space Marine or Titan support the Guard would be fighting an enemy that outmatched them in 19 out of 20 battles. and even with Space Marine or Titans I think the empire could counter them rather easily. people forget after first contact with Titans the Tau created effective tactics to counter them. And as said before the empire is more technologically and Logistically developed then the Tau. Sorry had to get this out of my Head!
@@caderiddle5996 yes sorry, 300 shots a Minute is well within the E11's ability. However Imperial Troopers are trained to prioritize accuracy not fire down range. pulse "mag dumping" can cause the E11 to overheat, which causes it to become less accurate.
I see a lot of people have forgotten that Trawn is a Grand Admiral, his strategy would definitely lie in keeping space clear to drop a MASSIVE number of tactical strikes from orbit and with TIE. and let's not forget that while both need reinforcement, for trawn there is no need to go through hell to get it. that being said on the ground it will be much more complex cat soyont honette in terms of armored cavalry and in terms of infantry, the astra millitarum crushes the empire. note that being said that I see a lot of people who don't seem to know the power of Star Wars blaster weapons... well, do your research because some blasters are much more powerful than the average lasgun (and for the nerd deep down I said average so calm down your answer regarding the hellgun)
@@JTMannMusic don't worry it would be the same for most blaster ... we see in clone wars some clone destroy stone pillar with a few shot. and clone blaster are calibrated for anti droid combat. it is insanely less powerfull than a classic blaster. if we go to the classic blaster which is fired mostly by : b1 batle droid or by imperial elite force then it could pierce trough most metal by melting them ... again i've never seen a guardmen bring down an aircraft with his lasgun ...
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“You command an a decades old armada made to take a system. I command a fleet meant to destroy it, and has stood or for over a millennium. I’ve stared down nightmares, monsters, witchs and Gods without faltering. What have you stated down, other than a couple traitors and heretics, blue skin? I find the idea we are equal in anyway offensive.”
-Lord Solar Macharius to Thrawn over vox as the Chimera is being destroyed
Yippe Ki Yay M#$@^#%$@
-Grand Admiral Thrawn to Lord Solar Macharius via open channel as all the engines in the Imperium fleet explode due to stealth mines released with the Chimera used as bait
"Yippe Kai yaAAAAARGH"
-Thrawn after his head explodes because a psyker shot him with a mindbullet
" your tactics are easy to read like a book your eyes to blinded by rage to see the bigger picture you inspire yes but you see golden man I've already won your supplies are cut off your Reinforcements are being destroyed by your own flawed fast travel and your command chain broken war is like chess and I've already seen your plans play out"
- Lieutenant thrawn as his Force's Surrounds machariuse main Base
@@DamonCummings-yg7ds
"And that's where you're wrong"
-Macharius, as an Eversor assassin decapitates Thrawn
@ “ you really believe i didn’t think of your assassins when assessing your imperium”
- thwarn said as it’s revealed it was a body doubled as the deathstar readys its weapon on the planet
Macharius is such an underrated hero. The guy went a lifetime in the imperium having only lost 1 battle. His leadership conquered 1000 worlds. His downfall was the broken pride of the high lords who refused to see his loyalty for the possibility of them loosing power, when in reality his only concern in life was spreading the emperors domain.
If you haven’t read his books, I can’t recommend them enough. They are amazingly written and you follow his bodyguards who are frankly so well written you wish they were real people. And the memes in that book would be legendary if more knew about them.
SPOILERS!!! A guardsmen dates an imperial assassin and parties with space wolves. Truly legendary
Is he still alive?
he isn't@@mariusconstantin6057
It's a shame that those 1000 worlds he conquered for the Emperor's name, has fell to Traitor's hands.
Spoiler!!!!
He was assassinated by the Inquisition and High lords of Terra for refusing to retire and be swept under the rug.
Not all but the majority sadly yes, desperate to claim all the power his council of generals declared independence from the imperium. Dividing up his empire and drawing a black crusade to slap most of the 1000 worlds. Macharius was a greater general than most Primarchs. Limited only by the fact the dark eldar poisoned him and made rejuve treatments impossible. He conquered 1000 worlds in less than 50 years.
if Thrawn gets his hands on Macharius's 1st grade macaroni art its all over
lol
Any combat between these 2 will be solely decided based on who has more to throw around.
I really like that this song doesn’t describe any clear victor in this epic duel of strategic genius. Merely highlighting the fact that Grand Admiral Mitth'raw'nuruodo of the Galactic Empire and Lord Commander Solar Macharius would have found each other to be truly worthy opponents.
Absolutely, though Macharius would still hate Thrawn. Same type of relationship as Yarrick and Gaz
Aye suffer not the alien to live an all that
I mean technically Thrawn is a stable abhuman...
@@JTMannMusic That's not a distinction Macharius would care to make. Not because he wouldn't be aware it's technically true, but because he would quickly recognize the human supremacism laced into the Empire's culture and exploit it to cause Thrawn internal problems by mounting a propaganda campaign to spread the Imperial Creed in his ranks and stoke internal racial strife in a human-dominated military under an alien commander. He could cause havoc in Thrawn's ranks leaving him constantly dealing with betrayals and defections, and Thrawn would have little answer to it, religious fervor, commissars, and the inquisition make Imperium forces more resistant to the same tactic.
@fatcatjt oh yeah. Forgot about that partin the lore where the Chiss are basically the lost human settlers.
A lot of Thrawn's effort will be focused on making up for the difference in firepower
As cool as Thrawn was...Macharius fought against GODS with TRILLIONS of super human minions
Ok and?
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 they are in different levels, tactically and magnitude wise Thrawn is on par with a sector commander, macharius simply fought and commanded things on a much much much greater scale... This comparison doesn't work, it's the equivalent of comparing a sniper bullet to a ballistic missile
@@Riimaachan i feel Macharius is more of master Logistician, allocating and relocating resources as needed. leaving tactical decision making to his front line commanders. Thrawn is like a sharp scalpel making effective use of his resources to achieve his goals.
@@RuneMasterKnight not really, macharius IS the frond line commander... As in like he is literally shooting and charging Infront of everyone and after the battle is done he is doing logistics with mechanicus advisors XD
@@Riimaachan really? i figured with all threats besieged the imperium the leader of the whole astra militarum can't just fight in one battle front one after the other and losing the view of the overall bigger picture. someone has to process all the battle reports, statistical analyses, requisition request from all the segmentum commanders battling different threats, evaluating strategic values of planets and assigning the appropriate force to counter threats.
It's a close match, assuming they have equal "points" worth of forces, but I believe Macharius would win in the end. Thrawn would likely recognize him immediately as a megalomaniac (he's wearing gold armor covered in laurels, it's not hard to deduce) and simply give ground until Macharius overextends, then close the vice on him. And that SHOULD work...in a sane universe. But Macharius isn't from a sane universe, and Thrawn's logical mind will make it difficult for him to adapt to the random nonsense the Imperium can pull out of its rear when they're in a bind. Sororitas will perform miracles, flaming ghost marines will suddenly take the field out of nowhere, dead enemies will come back to life as saints, etc etc. Thrawn is likely to believe that Macharius has stretched himself too thin before it's actually happened, and spring his traps prematurely, not expecting the Imperium's religion to be tangibly real. Then Thrawn will be on his back foot while the Imperium rallies and pressures him, and there's a good chance the war machine of the guard will grind him down faster than he can adapt and turn it around.
Not to mention the initial shock of having to fight an enemy with supply lines like the Imperial Guard does
just their las weapons being rechargeable or even solar, body and fire heat powered in a pinch would throw him off a bit i'd suspect
@@essexclass8168 At first, yes, but ultimately I think logistics would favor Thrawn for one reason: HYPERDRIVE. Thrawn never has to worry about his supplies and reinforcements getting lost in a warp storm, showing up a century late, or coming out of FTL completely insane or being chased by daemons. While both methods have their limitations (hyperlanes/astronomicon), hyperdrive is generally faster and you show up when and where you expected to. Of course, there's risk of the tech being salvaged and reverse engineered by the Imperium, which would require Thrawn to adopt something like the Cole Protocol, but the Mechanicus is superstitious and resistant to new ideas, which would slow that down a lot.
@@Aurondarklord I actually doubt this as Warp travel would be better in the SW Galaxy without all the bad thoughts warping the Immaterium in the SW Galaxy, whereas Hyperdrive lanes would be non-existent in the Milky Way making every jump dangerous.
In the long run Blaster gas would have to be procured from specific worlds whereas Prometheium and Electricity is virtually available everywhere.
@@essexclass8168 For the sake of fair comparison I'm assuming neither of them has a "home field advantage" and they would be fighting on neutral ground where all of their usual technology and abilities work the way they normally do, the standard format for crossover vs battles. So Thrawn has charted hyperlanes, Macharius has the light of the astronomicon, daemons remain a concern for psykers but won't suddenly become a problem for Force sensitives. Etc.
@@Aurondarklord Hyperdrives straight up wouldn't have hyperlanes while Warp Travel wouldn't have a galactic murder orgy to encumber it in a neutral setting.
That's the thing the Imperium's FTL doesn't work the way it normally should the way it normally does in 40k. The Astronomicon is only needed by the Imperium because the Milky Way's sea of souls is so turbulent, Warp Drives have been used for at least 10000 years without the need of the Astronomicon prior to the Age of Strife and fall of the Eldar because the warp wasnt as treacherous at the time. Unless similar, if not the same events have occured in the neutral setting why would the warp's terrain be the same as in 40k's home galaxy?
On the other hand, hyperspace lanes are explicitly a homefield advantage, they only exist because they have been built by species native to the SW Galaxy for millennia before anyone else, including the builders, took to the stars.
What you're speaking of isn't neutral ground, it's weighted ground in the Imperium's disadvantage and the Empire's advantage.
They are both the Version of themself in a different Universe. Macharius is a Thrawn and Thrawn is a Macharius. ... and before someone say that Macharius could never be a Xeno: The Chiss are Humans or more a Subspecies of the Humans. Lost Miniers on chissila or whatever the Homeworld from the Chiss is written.
Yep, they're near-humans...a chunk of it is implied that they were colonists that modified themselves for better environmental adaptation to the colder weather their homeworld has.
@@AzraelThanatos Well. They are a Sub Human Species like many Beings in the Galaxy in SW. Like the Miraluka if i'm not mistaken. The all 100% Blinde and Force Sensitive ones and not the Green Ones. Jep... another Sub Human branch! Could serve good in the Armys oder Navy of Big E like Ogryns.
Macharius:
Assets:
Master of direct warfare. Bold, charismatic, men will follow him into Hell.
Imperium is better at combined arms warfare and close combat.
Better variety of "surprise" units, psykers, supersoldiers, freaky ancient tech.
Imperial religion is both a propaganda and anti-propaganda tool.
God is literally on his side, allowing miracles and outside context problems.
Liabilities:
Megalomaniac. His ego leaves him prone to overcommitting.
Can get his hands tied by the Imperium's labyrinthine bureaucracy.
Won't do anything that's against his religion.
Prone to pushing his men so hard morale and discipline break down.
Thrawn:
Assets:
Master of indirect warfare. Subtle, careful, great at understanding his enemies.
Better logistics and supply lines due to far faster and more reliable FTL tech.
Reliable supernatural units. Sith never spontaneously explode or get possessed.
More adaptable, his scientists innovate and aren't constrained by dogma.
Liabilities:
Sociopath. Sometimes fails to factor emotion and the human spirit into his calculations.
Non-human leader of a military with human supremacist leanings.
Empire's corruption makes quality and competence of officers unreliable.
Hyper-rationality will make 40k lunacy difficult for him to understand.
Thwarn although he doesn't admit it he has an ego to though he keeps it hidden behind his icy mask
@@DamonCummings-yg7ds You don't get to where he is without one. But he's not the guy running around in solid gold armor and laurel wreaths. Macharius is an Alexander the Great expy.
To be fair, Thrawn is more like an abhuman, rather than a xeno.
What this means in my opinion is that Macharius would win if we’re viewing this as a single large-scale battle, but Thrawn probably has the advantage if we’re treating this as an actual war stretched out over dozens or hundreds of battles. If Thrawn has time to study imperium tactics, art, and religion, then that combined with his “mastery of indirect warfare” as you put it as well has his superior FTL and logistical capacity could gain the upper hand over time.
Thrawn would punch way above his weight class and give the imperium and even Macharius a challenge. But the real defining factor of the conflict would be that macharius in general just has better "stuff"
Soldier vs Soldier, a Stormtrooper is basically a PDF soldier below a guardsmen. A blaster should be somewhere between a autogun and a lazgun in terms of damage, so they wouldn't be helpless, but canon stormtroopers are less well trained and have weaker morale.
Ship vs. ship, a canon ISD is basically just an escort vessal in 40k. They could hold their own in numbers, and between thrawns tactics and the logistical advantage of hyperspace he will definitely make the most of them, but macharius has the best of the imperiums ships, which likely includes some DAOT ships
Also just tactically, Macharius has way more cards up his sleeve. Thrawns biggest weakness was that he couldn't account for the force, or space magic in general since it wasn't something he could predict. How could he account for something like living saints, psykers, imperial assassins, all of whom would be in the hands of a tactical genius like Macharion.
Yeah thrawn is that guy, but the best commanders of 40k are cut from that same cloth and have the absurd arsenal of 40k along with it
Put Thrawn in commands of Tau honestly and hed pull miracles
Thrawns stormtroopers are on par with the Tempestus Scions not PDF, they are the special forces trained and educated in a system very similar to the Schola Progenium. The regular Imperial Army, depending on where they are raised would be either IG or PDF quality. There is nothing (outside of certain Jedi or Sith) that could hit on par with Space Marines in the Star Wars universe. Also I do not know of any escort vessel in 40k that can undertake an Exterminatus on a planet, each Star Destroyer (both Imperial I and II) can and will do so when called upon so that would even up the firepower requirements even if the size of the ships cannot be disputed. I do believe that you are correct in some parts but your breakdown does not do justice to Star Wars. Also if we take into account Jedi Master Joruus C'boath then Thrawn does have access to the Force though in a relatively uncontrolled state and would be able to rely on Battle Meditation which would decoordinate the Imperiums Forces and make Thrawns forces far more in sync with each other. It probably wouldn't work nearly as well against the Space Marines and Sisters of Battle but they would be in the minority compared to the mass forces of the Guard.
(It would be probably tip the balance even more in Thrawns favor if we gave him access to some of the ships in Star Wars that he would not during the course of his life such as the Executor and Eclipse class Star Dreadnaught and the Nebula class Star Destroyer, which is arguably the best Star Destroyer ever created and could hit far beyond its own weight class, and if Thrawn was in command of the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, which included: Lukes New Jedi Order, the New Republic, Hapes Consortium and Imperial Remnant, then Thrawn could probably draw even at least if not surpass even Macharius' crusade)
I get that you are basing most of your knowledge off of cannon, but in legends he acounted for all of this. the hard countered the force better than the old sith empire did. he used Ysalamir (essentially 40k blanks) to turn all of his stormtroopers (who were elite in legends) into pseudo sisters of silence. Even if those didn't work on psychers he would adapt and start cloning blanks. Don't forget that he already has brought a galaxy spanning empire to its knees once, the only thing that stopped him being a shitty deal vader had with some allies. as for ships, yeah the imperium has an advantage but if we go from when Thrawn returns we are talking each fleet having an SSD or greater which would be on par with imperial line ships, the star destroyer is also liable ot punch above its weight class simply because of all the wasted space on imperial vessels so slightly better than most esscorts (though one hit with a lance is liable to bring down sheilds or worse lol). now for fighters that si where the Empire gets its advantage because thrawn extensively used tie defenders. in essence cannon thrawn gets powned by macharius, legends thrawn just might come on top. sorry if that was a little ranty.
Edit: forgot to mention, blasters in the novelization of a new hope hit HARD like hollowpoint damage in an armor-piercing body. So while not quite bolters they are definitely stronger, albeit slower with a shorter range, than lasguns. in game terms, I'd put them at a strength 3.5 (Unplayable but you get the message).
@@aesonkeel6527 the only problem is that sure a Thrawn stormtrooper is better than a guardsman, but its relative its not as good as a Scion which would be more like the clones sinde they are nigh superhuman. And stuff like Titans and Knights he cant actually deal with besides orbital bombardment, (hoping its not an Emperor class titan it could fire back and tank the shot too), for the simple fact that most of Star Wars are based of lighter vehicules and not piercing through a litteral hill worth of metal, same for the Space warfare, Thrawn is indeed the better space fighter and would outmanoeuvre his opponent all day, while basically using the webway honestly, and rendering much bigger ships worthless by striking critical components whenever a ship or small enough flotille is around.
Problem being 40k being 40k, he IS going to be outnumbered, he is used to fighting outnumbered true, but usually its because its ennemies also has common sense and wants to protect its assets when threatened, instead of Kamikaze themselves into the nearest star destroyer.
Honestly Thrawn cannot win with what he had in Canon.
Now put him in controll of the Full Galatic Empire and not most of the North really after everything kinda fell apart.
Put him in controll of the trade federation works too especially without the droid failsafe made to lose stuff, such easy to manufacture numbers would allow him to use his usual tactics and withstand the attrition, in which the Imperium always has the upper hand otherwise.
If cant do that he needs to lead a 40k faction in order to win.
Im of the belief Thrawn is the better Commander but Macharius has the better army since he has the numbers and the quality to face with Thrawns quality
Yet if we’re using Legends ISDs they would be able to hold up to most of the Imperiums’s ships
Honestly, if this wasn´t made with the soulless voice of abominable intelligence, it would be 10/10
lol true
to be fair if Thrawn was given a similar position in the imperium. he would be an absolute menace on the battlefield. he would rival mecharius, creed and even roboute in terms of strategy, in fact i think he would love the ultramarines. they have very similar battle philosophy's. and guilliman would possibly make him a high lord. though thrawn would hate the beaucracy more then he did the empires. but still he would be a menace on the battlefield. especially with how easy it would be manipulate his opponents with simple insults and the abundance of art and literature. though he of course would tear apart the imperial creed. he would also probably be one of the imperiums worst nightmares as an opponent due to that fact.
Thrawn as an eldar, tau, or necron would be even more devestating than the imperium. I do wonder how he would handle it though. The warp is impossible to fully predict and 40k has a lot of curveball that might throw him off course until he started anticipating things.
@ if thrawn was a non imperial he would probably know that committing to open battle against the imperium would be not only risky but pointless. Likely he would try and manipulate the imperiums zealotry to attack planets or locations via misinformation. Probably either by double agents or leaking out false information with fake orders. Try and draw the imperium into designated places where he could fight and retreat at his own pace by using rumors of sacred relics. He would fight the imperium like he did the new republic in the EU. Mostly hit and runs. And only committing to open battle when he deems it advantages to.
@@jameskurth3560the Necrons already have a Thrawn. He's called Imotehk the Stormlord.
@@voomvoom4522 Ah, but imagine Thrawn at the beck of the silent king waging war against the stormlord.
@@jameskurth3560 the Silent King won't need thrawn. With the sheer power at his disposal, Imotekh would not be able to stand against him.
Big E: Eh ya know what make there race a protectorate. I like this guy.
By Imperium standards the Chiss would be abhumans.
given that thrawn has a near supernatural ability to divine an opponents tactics from their art and the imperium literally coats their ships in art and iconography...
Plus the imperium focuses on ramming and broadsides while the empire focuses on bombarding from afar
Ah but often times the art used is limited or small scale. With the imperium there is great volume of it shouting loud and proud. In such noise a subtle knife could slid in with hidden gile.
The sheer dogmatism of the Imperium might frustrate Thrawn's analysis though. They don't understand half of their own symbols, they mix history and religion, they do superstitious things that make no sense but work anyway because the nature of the Warp makes things real if they're believed in hard enough. Thrawn might dismiss elements of Imperial ideology as nonsense only for them to turn out to be very real and bite him in the ass.
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 yes and no, the lore and rules are very inconsistent but it's usually anywhere from tens of thousands of kilometers to hundreds of thousands of kilometers
Ramming and close Broadsides are the preferred tactics of the Space Marines who excel at boarding to begin with
Also, Psykers, while thrawn can virtually divine an opponent's tactics from their warp, the Imperium can literally divine his tactics and, to a limited extent, the future via magic *and* supercomputer prediction.
Thrawn would also have to accept the insanity of the Imperium
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 tbh if there is a competent enough of a admiral they just use it as last resort tbh
Big emphasis to competent
Now I want a song centered around a battle between Tyberos vs Frank Horrigan
My bet on Macharius
Macharius Thrawn if you say it like a full name it's sounds pretty good first and last name basis if we didn't already know who these people are
@@skeletonlord5255 Huh. You are not wrong.
@lichcoin6144 SEE
You know... Whats to stop the Imperium from just teleporting their troops directly on to the command bridge of a star destroyer like the Chimera? [Oh wait... forgot Thrawn converted the luxury entertainment suite on the Chimaera into his private command room. But... while that keeps Thrawn safe from any teleporting boarding parties (under the assumption they dont know where the room is located at, which they probably dont since this was modified by Thrawn) the Chimaera's bridge crew likely aren't. And I don't think Thrawn can access the Chimaera's ship controls in his private command room, pretty sure he can only issue out orders to the personnel at the controls on the bridge.
I remember in the novel he issues commands from there
I think they’re about even it would come down to what resources they have, and who they have as their subordinates. If one has have uselessly officers they lose.
Thrawn has the issue of bad officers. The officers of the Imperium may have a lot of corruption in their command structure, but they know their loyalties and ultimately serve the emperor to their best ability in the end. Most officers in the galactic empire are only loyal to themselves.
And yet Thrawn was still kicking the New Republic around. Now imagine what he could do with competent officers... Terrifying.
The nerve of the average Imperial Trooper against the Average guardsman would also play a part i suspect. the Imperial Guard might be nearly unbreakable even if they might retreat from time to time unless Thrawn has vong and force beasts around, whereas Imperial psykers, cherubs, penitent engines, fanatics such as death cult assassins and the ministorum priests, (as Macharius led a combined force and not just an IG one), and angels and daemons might be too much for anyone but Stormtroopers and above to handle.
and if Macharius has access to the Office of the Assassins, Thrawn might meet his fate very quickly similarly to how he did in the books with a Vanus or Callidus assassin around
It'd be like fighting the older Sith Empires.
And then there's the Mechanicus and their Cyberwarfare and the potential advantage in Intelligence posed by Psykers in a galaxy with a collective Psyche not as schizoprenic as the warp of the Milky Way.
Ironically the battle between these two great commanders may be decided by their troops capabilities and not their tactical and strategic genius
Christ, both are wonderful commanders. Both are smarter than whole university campuses. Thrawn is a magnificent analyst, Macharious is a supreme commander and inspiring figure. One-on-one is to Macharious no question. Tactically, Thrawn is the better schemer. But a full-on war between them, with similar resources, is to our Lord Solar. The Imperium is a better/more powerful power down to the individual soldier. The Empire is the most powerful power in its universe because the political maneuver of Palpatine made it the ONLY power. The Imperium had to claw its way to the top in a thousand dead worlds and a hundred dead empires.
Now, you give Thrawn and Imperium battlefleet? on void is Thrawn´s game, on ground it Macharious´s domain.
Together?
You better run, you heretic.
dear god emperor fighting both of them at once sounds awful. imagine having your space fleet get obliterated by thrawn only to have to flee to the nearest planet while bieng followed by an army lead by macharius. that is too cruel and unusual of a punishment for it not to be some kind of warcrime.
@@Luca_9175 There's no such thing as war crimes in either 40k or Star Wars
Bro, I've been listening to this on loop for like 3 hours.
Heh...I was wondering if I was the only one. What a great and creative banger eh?
Macharius has the advantage in troop numbers and the more powerful weaponry, but Thrawn holds the advantage of intellect and has been in a similar position before and came out on top. Honestly the ending point is how loyal their troops are to their commander, and while Macharius's forces refused to go past the light of the Astronimicon forcing him to retreat Thrawn inspires incredible loyalty in his troops to the point there was a massive effort be the Imperial Remnant undertook to get him back from another galaxy, something that was considered borderline impossible, so I think Thrawn pretty easily clears in the troop loyalty department.
Interesting argument, unfortunatly I have a counter-argument: COMMISSARS.
Macharius had conquered 1000 planets at that point and was aiming to conquer a part of the galaxy considered more terrifying than the eye of terror, it's not the idyllic walk in the park the nightsister witch sect comes from.
Also depending on the Thrawn we're talking about he was assassinated in the middle of the battle of Bilbringi or was comically incompetent as shown in Ahsoka, losing powerful allies and several stormtroopers because he didn't execute a Jedi he had just effectively captured or killed his enemies with a gunship he used to drop forces he wasted for no real reason.
40k ships are bigger and stronger plus have space marines. Sw are about 60x faster, have way better scanners and can rebuild their fleets way faster.
Some Star Wars dreadnaughts are way bigger than the Imperiums battleships however though ships of that size are less common
Different circumstances:
Macharius had more or less no shortage of resources or support
Legends Thrawn used a dozen Star Destroyers and less than a hundred smaller warships to bring a galactic government to its knees in a year
the New Republic was barely even an excuse of a galactic power...
I honestly think they are equal in terms of tactical genius, but Macharius literally has God on his side.
@ in 9ABY? They were the dominant force in the galaxy. Still thousands of warships, the more or less acknowledged galactic government after several campaigns against the Warlords and the scattered remnants.
@@robertcbarry tbh it's been a few years since I've dived into star wars lore
@ Ahhhhh well I suppose thats fair sorry if the comment came off snapping at all, it can be confusing now comparing new Disney lore to Legends.
In Legends the New Republic did not have a hooray miracle one year after Endor final victory over the Empire, in fact a Concordance wouldn’t come till 19ABY. In between that time was near endless war between the New Republic, Imperial breakaways, Warlords, independent powers, a Reborn Palpatine (Clones+Essence Transfer=R2 ended up saving the galaxy again), and throughout it the New Republic was in a constant state of military conflict+war readiness. Thrawn’s return to the galaxy in 9ABY was more or less after the NR had appeared to solidly secure its position as galactic titan, then with solid tactics and a dozen ISD’s he brought it to its knees and was only eventually defeated by being betrayed.
And thats a very big condensing of lore lmao
Tbf, Thrawns fleet quickly grew as more warlords flocked to his cause and he got his hands on the long lost Katana fleet
This song deserves way more views than it has gotten
definitely
Imagine these two just having a friendly game of chest. 😂
Thrawn would be the empires only chance against the imperium. So this would be intense
I have been a casual Warhammer 40k fan for a couple of years but curiously enough, I literally only learn about Macharius today. And the more I resd of him online about this IoM Space equivalent of Alexander the Great, the more I wonder what he would make of Grand Admiral Thrawn and vice-versa. Imagine my surprise when this appeared on my feed.
Amazing work. Thank you. Subscribed and waiting for more creative bangers!
:D
@@JTMannMusicIt just occurred to me that if you ever decide to make a sort of spiritual sequel/spin-off to this song, then making a song about a similar clash of titans between Master Tacticians Thrawn and Revan might make for a very fun project. Plus, you can just bet that if the quality is anywhere near this, you will have star wars legends fans coming to your song/video in droves man. Droves, I say!
@@Forcy-20 good idea! :D
@@JTMannMusic glad to hear it! May the Force be with you.
I like song that just implies a massive battle between two forces with strong-minded leaders, and not just "The Imperium wins because EMPEROR TOLD US"
Lets be real, any W40k VS Star Wars ends with W40K victory, sadly because the Imperium's stronger, but I'd like to think that minds like Thrawn's or powers like Tenebra/Valkorion's could defeat the Imperium in an equal-forces battle
The Imperiums victory is only close to certain if they can bring their full military might to the Star Wars galaxy. This would never be the case however
@@brucejedilee5290
As far as I'm aware, the Imperium doesn't have any intergalactic capabilities.
Who would win if you gave them both 10000 modern soldiers (same equipment same training)
Macarius would likely rely on ww1 or 2 tactics due to his universes nature, while thrawn would use tactics found from the various parts of the Cold War. It would ultimately on which one could find the weaknesses found in those.
Macharius because 40k tactics are more easily adapted to modern tech than star wars tactics are.
@@countryboy1635 Not necessarily 40k has more then that and Macarius is a genius he didn't just rely on ww1 and 2 tactics.
@Aurondarklord That's just wrong. Star wars is able to adapt to modern day tactics, and Thrawn is an ingenious military commander. He'd be able to adapt on the fly.
@@CHRF-55457 Oh yeah no Thrawn and Macarius going at eachother would be a show of the ages. That would be something to watch.
I don't think we saw much of Macharius' actual tactics, so hard to say
This is better than it has any right to be. Very cool.
Love how epic this whole thing is but they are litterly just playing chess.
Absolutely epic.
Spire laughing in the background
hell yeah
Awesome song.
Here's how it is In my mind. Macharius is the better fighter, stronger, longer lived therefore more experienced, and much more ruthless. He has no qualms about throwing away the lives of his men.
Thrawn, on the other hand, is far more intelligent. He will most likely make use of his prep time to study the imperium, see its ins and outs, and come up with the correct solution to deal with it. If the imperium was to suddenly appear, Thrawn would remain calm, assess the situation and create the best solution.
Both these men's greatest weakness would not be within them but without. Both empires are notoriously incompetent. Thrawn would be in command of glory hounds who'd disobey orders the second he turns his back, Macharius has to deal with people who have the wrath of a hippo and the brain of a toddler.
It would ultimately end in the situation where the two admirals would be in that cat and mouse game at each other with their own ships, like in that one episode where Anakin BS'd his way past Admiral Trench.
Songs like this are just Awesome!
Macharius the Guy who used an Moon as an preperation strike
can you do a crossover song involving Optimus and the god Emperor?
A hero and a arrogant dictator who failed, don't see how they compare
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 oh sorry I men’t the god emperor
optimus from transformers?
@@JTMannMusic yes.
Both want the best for their people, albeit, they have very different views on how to get it.
It would really be a question who can get spys in the others camp
Ngl macharious has been sharpening himself against all the enemies of mankind in 40k which are all way more OP than droids. Thrawn mostly has experience trying to capture small rebel groups and against the droid army but macharious was in the trenches ten toes down fighting everything. Dude is basically the human guilliman.
This is giving me "day by dayglow" vibes
General Oliver vs Colonel Autumn ( in this format)
Please do a song about Admiral Spire and his Achievements it would be awesome
I would recommend keeping the theme of it not saying who won a few of the older songs kinda felt like it was going "lol look how cool 40k is star wars is nothing" I know thats not what you were probably going for but it can come off that ways sometimes.
As a recent Warhammer 40k enjoyer and was originally a Star Wars fan seeing Thrawn would already a probably and when I got my research done on Machariucs I see why this is a huge “But” fight but if everything is on resources, Loyalty to there command, and believe, The imperium win in the believe part with no challenge the Imperium believes the have fought to keep humanity together and with that the also win the Loyalty part. Seeing him as a problem and a huge one if left unchecked like how the Tau came around the will do anything to beat down Thrawn but resources are on both side more on the Imperium side but it’s there. So with my knowledge put in well I would say the battle would last a long long time it won’t last forever and Thrawn sadly would getting beaten slowly painfully sure Thrawn can buy time he’s good at that but he can’t stop a empire 100 times the size of the Galactic empire and hell the rebels show if you use your tools right you can beat a empire but this is the Imperium and main war tactics the Imperium would win the would see Thrawn as a good foe and maybe even see him as a equal during the battle but that’s a Imperium victory
not many folk giving thrawn much credit, But he will always be my go-to!
Here’s a song suggestion one about the Northwind Highlanders mercenary group from BattleTech
If Macharius was is Star Wars vs 40k, the Republic, Separatists, neutral systems, and Hutts would have been utterly doomed. It would simply be a matter of how long it takes Macharius to kill them.
definitely
Not sure, war is determined by much more than strategy. In the Star Wars galaxy the will of the Force will also play a big role
Now imagine these to on the same team.
Epic stuff *chef's kiss*
Please more of these verses songs.
I wonder if you’ll release it to Apple and the many other music platforms soon. P.s: I love the song that just made with a 40k x Star Wars feel.
I just need someone to make album art for it so I can post it on there
@@JTMannMusicI completely understand. I know an Wattpad author used the image (that you used for this epic song) for his Thrawn (Star Wars: Rebels) x warhammer fanfic book. 😅
Just gonna say it, Macharius is sniper bait
yeah, but nothing is gonna save thrawn from Imperial assasins....
@@JTMannMusic true, especially cause thats how he dies in legends lol
@@aesonkeel6527 lol
Here a cool song idea Caesar's legion form fallout new Vegas vs immortal Joe's empire from mad max.
Space Alexander the great put Primarchs to shame.
Here is a chess match I would pay to see.
Thrawn would have most likely researched all about him before they were to even have an encounter. And if Eli Vanto was still with him. It’s over. Thrawn would come out as the victor
Honestly ,depending on situation, I see Thrawn winning.
Macharius isn’t the most cautious person in the galaxy, I think I only know a bit about him, so I could see him launching lightning fast assaults while Thrawn pulls back in mock retreat to attempt entrapments of Mach’s forces. Before launching a devastating counter attack. Thrawn is used to operating with basically no ships and soldiers against much larger and more well equipped foes, while Mach is used to having a functionally unlimited amount of resources to destroy the enemy with. Thrawn will act cautiously to preserve the life of his forces until he can inflict a devastating blow, while Mach will send in waves of troops just to end the battle as quickly as possible.
This is brilliant! Absolutely amazing! I must ask though. Was this perhaps inspired by AFanWithTooMuchTime?
yes, but not directly.
In terms of overall tactical acumen, I think Thrawn would be a worthy match for Macharius. However, the forces the Imperium can bring to bear would completely trump the Empire's. One astartes would be more than a match for dozens of stormtroopers and titans would eat AT-ATs for lunch. Even the Death Star isn't surviving a cyclonic torpedo strike.
And, we know even if they have something truly strong position like Kuat or Coruscant there still are ways to win, only one thing to say, gigant space rock
Not arguing on the first two statements about ground units at all, they’re totally correct. But, the Death Star could absolutely survive a cyclonic torpedo strike. Most people really don’t understand how completely absurd the Death Star actually is.
The key to this is that the Death Star is designed to be able to destroy planets of almost any size, up to and including gas giants, and including planets with planetary shields. This makes its beam way overkill for an earth-sized planet. To confirm this, one only need look at the size of the resulting explosion when the Death Star destroys Alderaan - the explosion is fucking huge, with the debris cloud expanding to many times the radius of the planet in mere seconds.
From this, there are two relevant facts. First, the Death Star stays in orbit after destroying planets, which means that it must be designed to survive chunks of said planets hurling into it at of thousands of kilometers per second. Second, even a tiny amount of inefficiency in a reactor that generates that much power would create an absurd amount of waste heat, meaning that the Death Star must dissipate heat in the at least the zettawatt range, but likely far higher.
I can do the math on both of these if you want, but suffice it to say that a cyclonic torpedo isn’t even denting the Death Star. Of course, it might be a different story with a 2-stage cyclonic torpedo, but even then I’m not sure it’s so cut and dry.
@@yourewrong9028 Perhaps, the best way to defeat the death star its not by direct combat, but calling the most destructive marines and destroy their supplies lines, the imperium of star wars is well know for being bad at the supplies lines.
Great work my friend! :D Just subbed to your channel as well! :D Also for your next one can you have Thrawn and his Night Trooper army vs. New Republic maybe?
I think I can do that
@@JTMannMusic Sweet! :D Also can't wait to see it! :D Also by chance how are you?
@@jonathanmiller6381 I'm doing okay, but not great.
FOR THE EMPIRE!
Abhuman, you serve the false emperor well. But i serve the truth of his light better
Everyone says, "Thrawn is a Navy officer, not an Army officer, so Macharius has the advantage," but this is untrue. Some may think that Thrawn would have a harder time commanding troops in a land battle but that would not be the case, he is not only proficient in naval warfare. Thrawn had to climb the ranks, which means he has experience commanding different levels of military. In the new Thrawn trilogy of books that is canon, Thrawn demonstrates remarkable intelligence, problem-solving, and deduction skills. Thrawn would most certainly be able to survive and thrive in a military general setting. Thrawn deserves more credit than people are giving him. If anything, it would be Macharius who would be at a disadvantage. Macharius relies on having a fundamentally better army and uses sheer force to power his way through. Tactics like this can become a crutch because one does not practice high creative thinking often. Thrawn would probably find a way to use this against Macharius and formulate a plan to separate Macharius from the mightiest parts of his army thus pulling the rug from beneath Macharius's feet and putting him on the ropes. Also, the way Macharius fights is predictable which is dangerous when facing someone like Thrawn who is already good at predicting an opponent's moves. When facing new opponents, Thrawn is better at using methods to gain information about said opponent. Mecharius may be a genius and have a stronger army but Thrawn wins. Thrawn Is better at thinking on the fly and adapting. Macharius may have the stronger army but Thrawn has all the information. Thrawn knows how to recover, salvage, and use any situation to his benefit and because of all of this, Thrawn wins.
Uh...implying Thrawn would be able to understand how Macharius operates...
@@IAmAlpharius20 He would as he would study him and quickly figure it out as he always does. It's not hard to learn the way a foe operates, any half decent strategist does it with relative ease. The hard part is countering it which is where things get interesting
Let's put the facts (balls) on the table, the 40k universe wins in every way :) Star Wars is down!
I love both universes and no 40k won't always win.
@@brucejedilee5290 Well, that's also a point of view.
@@WiheScarsOfKhan 40k has a general power advantage but it isn't as big as many think. If the Imperium could bring their full force against the Star Wars galaxy then yes they win, but we both know they cannot. I think AFanWithTooMuchTime depicts how such a war would look like quite well
@@brucejedilee5290 And we both know that the Star Wars universe can't do that, both sides will reach a dead end.
Hear me out Guilliman VS Thrawn true two master tacticians
good idea... I'll do Imotekh and the lion too :D
Star wreck the movie (available on youtube) to you!
It comes down to the forces they command.
The Empire lost to a few space wizards and the rebels, for the average guardsmen regiment its Tuesday.
The Empire might have better training but the Imperium forces don't mind dying and they fought stronger and way more advanced threats and won.
The Deathcore of Krieg would probably try to beat Vader to death with shovels.
The Imperium would be at severe disadvantage in space tho thanks to the advanced FTL travel of the Empire navy.
nah, ultimently they both have range isues that balence out (empire only can go as far as hyperspace lanes alow, and the iom is only got the range of the astronomicon).
@@aureklanderson4498 The Astronomicon rather serves as a beacon and landmark in the Warp. So the ships of the Imperium can jump into the Warp anywhere without it, but this is considered pure suicide. Therefore, it is impossible to swim even in the real ocean without a guide.
@aureklanderson4498 However, one is more reliable than the other when getting reinforcements on time. The Galactic Empire doesn't have to worry about their fleets getting randomly lost in the warp for some reason.
@@CHRF-55457 range vs reliabilty is the crucks of it
@@0Warpsmith If real oceans had Cthulhu, Kraken, Leviathan and hundreds of other monsters swimming around, that would be a good comparison.
As Expected the Song is Great.
In my opinion Thrawn, would win this matchup; Macharius was a skilled strategist. Some times he is a little to rigged in his mindset, relying on mass unit tactics and trench warfare. Thrawn however, was able to seamlessly integrate Insurgent tactics together with standard Imperial shock and awe tactics. But ultimately it would come down to the troops under their command; in that case the Astra Militarum would have a major disadvantage; average Imperial Guardsman; Gets around 4 months training, standard Carapace Flack Armor; which gives good protection against projectiles, but virtually no defense against directed energy weapons, over normal cloth combat uniform. And are equipped with a standard "Triplex" Pattern Lasgun; A good sturdy weapon that fires a beem of Light, intense enouph to melt bone. Meanwhile your average Imperial Army Trooper; receives between 3 to 4 years of training. Army Troops are equipped with standard Plastoid Armor; each plate is designed to dissipate heat and physical impact across the hole of the armor, over a standard Thermocloth uniform, making them almost invulnerable to standard hand held laser weapons, unless you shoot them in the face. The standard weapon for your average Imperial Army Trooper is the E11 Blaster Rifle Carbine; which fires a bolt of superheated plasma, not unlike a Tau Pulls Rifle; which have bean described as able to punch through Power Armor. only more compact and advanced, with to ability to firing fully auto at 300 shots a minute.
Also Astra Militarum regiments are single unite regiments, Infantry, Cavalry, Tanks, vs Imperial Army Regiments are always combined arms regiments. so in order to counter 1 Army regiment, 2 or even 3 Guard regiments would be needed. in closing with out Space Marine or Titan support the Guard would be fighting an enemy that outmatched them in 19 out of 20 battles. and even with Space Marine or Titans I think the empire could counter them rather easily. people forget after first contact with Titans the Tau created effective tactics to counter them. And as said before the empire is more technologically and Logistically developed then the Tau.
Sorry had to get this out of my Head!
30 rounds at full auto? Did you forget a 0?
@@caderiddle5996 yes sorry, 300 shots a Minute is well within the E11's ability. However Imperial Troopers are trained to prioritize accuracy not fire down range. pulse "mag dumping" can cause the E11 to overheat, which causes it to become less accurate.
They are no match for V.II Snail.
lol
Alexander the great will win
Пояснительную бригаду, пожалуйста. Это фанфик?
Yes, it is fanfiction.
I see a lot of people have forgotten that Trawn is a Grand Admiral, his strategy would definitely lie in keeping space clear to drop a MASSIVE number of tactical strikes from orbit and with TIE. and let's not forget that while both need reinforcement, for trawn there is no need to go through hell to get it. that being said on the ground it will be much more complex cat soyont honette in terms of armored cavalry and in terms of infantry, the astra millitarum crushes the empire. note that being said that I see a lot of people who don't seem to know the power of Star Wars blaster weapons... well, do your research because some blasters are much more powerful than the average lasgun (and for the nerd deep down I said average so calm down your answer regarding the hellgun)
Lol no. Not even close to being as powerful.
I did the math for lasgun power... and it's insane. Would literally qualify as an anti-tank weapon today.
@@JTMannMusic don't worry it would be the same for most blaster ... we see in clone wars some clone destroy stone pillar with a few shot. and clone blaster are calibrated for anti droid combat. it is insanely less powerfull than a classic blaster. if we go to the classic blaster which is fired mostly by : b1 batle droid or by imperial elite force then it could pierce trough most metal by melting them ... again i've never seen a guardmen bring down an aircraft with his lasgun ...
@@IAmAlpharius20 Yes they are, if you bothered actually doing research you see blasters are just as powerful as lasguns if not more so
@brucejedilee5290
Lol no
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