Littlefinger to Ned Stark: "You wear your honor like a suit of armor, Stark. You think it keeps you safe, but all it does is weigh you down and make it hard for you to move".
Can confirm you still see people in PHX wearing Pat Tillman jerseys (and not infrequently), often camo and/or with a flag patch. Football and misguided flag humping- we love it, folks.
Yupp. It's profoudnly messed up how intertwined they are. I once went to a college football game (in the south, of course) where they cut to troops in Afghanistan essentially doing the fight song right before they shot off real artillery rounds. Such a shame this hyper critical, anti-war atheist has become such a symbol of mindless flag humping and empire.
Maybe the best episode you guys have put out. Really excellent stuff. My only plea is if one of you could take a second before recording and ask everyone to clear their throats I'd be eternally grateful and will instantly sign up to your patreon!
lmao--yeah sorry about that, next time, going to give Al a nice tea and enforce some throat clearing. Thought it might be more fitting on this episode given his military background
The archetypal story of the violence that sustains empire inevitably returning from the colonies to be meted out upon the metropole, Goya’s “Saturn devouring his son”, in the story of one life. Another excellent episode, gents. Thank you
It's funny you point that out today, because we just finished recording an episode today where I (Ben) explained the concept of Foucault's Boomerang's. I don't wanna give the topic away, but we will most certainly be doubling down on Global War on Terror brutality in back-to-back eps.
@@RememberShuffle YES, Foucault’s Boomerang, or whatever I called it, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing😆. Thanks for that. The homework-doing, “gold-star-for-you, Summer”, nerd in me was getting frustrated at myself for not being able to recall that one to say it more succinctly than I did. Much appreciated lol
Hey, no shame for forgetting a convenient tagline!! I love the visual metaphor of the Goya painting for empire, it's so perfect. Saturn ate his children to beat a prophecy about getting overthrown by one of them. But if you're eating your own children to keep your place... is that what winning looks like? It's a great visualization of whatever tf the US navy is doing off the coast of Yemen now.
@@RememberShuffle EXACTLY! The titan/god devouring his own children out of fear of losing his place on top? The crazed “OH SHIT!” look on his face as if the artist just startled him by walking into the room and catching him in the middle of committing a shameful act in the dark room when he thought he was alone? It’s just a great visual for all of it I thought. Thanks for confirmation SOMEONE is picking up what I was putting down there…
I have listened to this episode twice now to really digest it. One of your best eps by a long shot, fantastic info and wonderful way of weaving the story with humour and tragedy along the way. This is something you guys should really be proud of. Can't wait for the next ep! 👍
Thank you so much for the feedback!! As we've said before, feedback like this makes our day. We've had this one cooking for awhile and we were a little nervous about covering so dreary a topic. I'm so glad to hear you appreciate our approach!
Damn, I’m def diggin on those references. First time I heard about this guy was on Blowback season 1 but I had no idea how based and tragic was his story. Thanks a lot for the episode, from ur favorite Brazilian ❤
Thank you so much! Yeah, as I (Ben) said on the episode, "Where Men Win Glory" is one of my favourite non-fiction books. Krakauer is a great writer and it always blows my mind that more left-of-centre people don't talk about the *real* Pat Tillman.
Haha we've thought about this!! We're both big Cohen brothers fans (generally), and we're fans of both those films (specifically). We're torn because a non-ignorable number of folks complain about the movie eps haha. But yeah, you're definitely right that 2007 put up a couple bangers in quick succession. Either or both of those films might be on the medium-to-back burner, but we got a few more "real world history" style eps we want to get out there first! Thanks for listening and thanks for the rec!
@RememberShuffle I used to read his blog religiously from about 2002 to 2006ish. When he became a Christian, I lost interest in him. (He's still broadly on the left last I heard so I was probably being unfair to him) He wrote a brilliant memoir of his time in Haiti as part of the US occupation/peacekeeping force in the early 90's. Genuinely one of the most interesting memoirs I've ever read. It's called 'Hideous Dream'. Check it out.
Afghani is a currency. An afghan is a person from afghanistan. There are podcasts with 75th Ranger Battalion vets who were on the mission here in youtube. Soft white under belly is the channel i think. Also one of the team room podcast guys has said the ranger who shot Tillman was a good ranger lol
Haha it's so funny you point that out. In the moment of recording, I (Ben) was thinking "isn't one of these a blanket or a scarf? I can't remember which though." Apologies for the insensitive and sloppy whiff there. And dang, you've definitely pointed out a missed opportunity! We mostly focused our research on this one on some books and some docs and clearly missed out on some good fellow-podcast-research-opportunities. I think we're a bit hesitant to use other pods as research for our pod, for creativity reasons. Maybe at some point down the line we'll do an ep on Operator Podcasts (specifically), which is what the Team Room Pod looks like. We just finished recording an episode today where we talked a little bit about about Operator Culture (and some of the business they found/guide/think they're experts in).
We've been thinking about Spongebob for awhile now!! We've just struggled to come up with some kind of angle of approach other than "it's great and perfect."
There's no need to explain, it's perfectly clear! Pat Tillman has Spongebob levels of enthusiasm ("I'm ready!"). Then he sees what the military is like, and he's closer to hungover-on-ice-cream spongebob from the first act of the feature film. Sadly, he was killed and covered up before goofy goober spongebob-Tillman could manifest.
@@RememberShuffleHenry from the Talking Simpsons podcast often talks about his "theory" that SpongeBob blew up in popularity and as just a marketing icon after 9/11 because Americans needed their over-the-top positive characters. Its also pretty fascinating that the legendary fan-favorite episode "Band Geeks" aired on 9/7/01
Littlefinger to Ned Stark: "You wear your honor like a suit of armor, Stark. You think it keeps you safe, but all it does is weigh you down and make it hard for you to move".
Can confirm you still see people in PHX wearing Pat Tillman jerseys (and not infrequently), often camo and/or with a flag patch. Football and misguided flag humping- we love it, folks.
Yupp. It's profoudnly messed up how intertwined they are. I once went to a college football game (in the south, of course) where they cut to troops in Afghanistan essentially doing the fight song right before they shot off real artillery rounds.
Such a shame this hyper critical, anti-war atheist has become such a symbol of mindless flag humping and empire.
@@RememberShuffle at the Cards game, 4 Tillman jerseys spotted in the section below me. Only one in tactical camo, though 😅
Edit- make that 9.
@@willyonamountain haha honestly the tactical camo tillman jersey is great ironic drip
Maybe the best episode you guys have put out. Really excellent stuff. My only plea is if one of you could take a second before recording and ask everyone to clear their throats I'd be eternally grateful and will instantly sign up to your patreon!
lmao--yeah sorry about that, next time, going to give Al a nice tea and enforce some throat clearing. Thought it might be more fitting on this episode given his military background
@@RememberShuffle love y’all.
Can you imagine how fucking based Pat Tillman would have been during Colin Kaepernick?
Oh man, that's the fucking story we were robbed!
He didn’t just stay faithful anywhere.. he stayed faithful at ASU as a football star lol. Deserves an award just for that.
The archetypal story of the violence that sustains empire inevitably returning from the colonies to be meted out upon the metropole, Goya’s “Saturn devouring his son”, in the story of one life.
Another excellent episode, gents. Thank you
It's funny you point that out today, because we just finished recording an episode today where I (Ben) explained the concept of Foucault's Boomerang's. I don't wanna give the topic away, but we will most certainly be doubling down on Global War on Terror brutality in back-to-back eps.
@@RememberShuffle YES, Foucault’s Boomerang, or whatever I called it, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing😆. Thanks for that. The homework-doing, “gold-star-for-you, Summer”, nerd in me was getting frustrated at myself for not being able to recall that one to say it more succinctly than I did. Much appreciated lol
Hey, no shame for forgetting a convenient tagline!! I love the visual metaphor of the Goya painting for empire, it's so perfect. Saturn ate his children to beat a prophecy about getting overthrown by one of them. But if you're eating your own children to keep your place... is that what winning looks like? It's a great visualization of whatever tf the US navy is doing off the coast of Yemen now.
@@RememberShuffle EXACTLY! The titan/god devouring his own children out of fear of losing his place on top? The crazed “OH SHIT!” look on his face as if the artist just startled him by walking into the room and catching him in the middle of committing a shameful act in the dark room when he thought he was alone? It’s just a great visual for all of it I thought. Thanks for confirmation SOMEONE is picking up what I was putting down there…
I have listened to this episode twice now to really digest it. One of your best eps by a long shot, fantastic info and wonderful way of weaving the story with humour and tragedy along the way. This is something you guys should really be proud of. Can't wait for the next ep! 👍
Thank you so much for the feedback!! As we've said before, feedback like this makes our day. We've had this one cooking for awhile and we were a little nervous about covering so dreary a topic. I'm so glad to hear you appreciate our approach!
It really puts “you fight for the man next to you,” in perspective
One of those words in the Tillman story is entirely optional haha. "You fight (for) the man next to you"
Damn, I’m def diggin on those references. First time I heard about this guy was on Blowback season 1 but I had no idea how based and tragic was his story. Thanks a lot for the episode, from ur favorite Brazilian ❤
Thank you so much! Yeah, as I (Ben) said on the episode, "Where Men Win Glory" is one of my favourite non-fiction books. Krakauer is a great writer and it always blows my mind that more left-of-centre people don't talk about the *real* Pat Tillman.
Really good job on this. Shows that this is more than just another pop culture show, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Thanks, ya, we were relieved to find out the 'very special episode' topic could be done. Opens up other topics that we thought might be too sad.
An episode on the time No Country For Old Man and There Will Be Blood came out?
Haha we've thought about this!! We're both big Cohen brothers fans (generally), and we're fans of both those films (specifically). We're torn because a non-ignorable number of folks complain about the movie eps haha. But yeah, you're definitely right that 2007 put up a couple bangers in quick succession. Either or both of those films might be on the medium-to-back burner, but we got a few more "real world history" style eps we want to get out there first!
Thanks for listening and thanks for the rec!
@@RememberShuffle I respect the stance. Though, is 'There Will Be Blood," a film? Or rather it might just be an essential Western text.
Yay, new ep ❤❤
We love new ep drop days too! Glad you're stoked for it!
Is Stan Goff the ex-millitary blogger you refer to at minute 38?
yup, that's the guy. Any interesting notes about him?
@RememberShuffle I used to read his blog religiously from about 2002 to 2006ish. When he became a Christian, I lost interest in him. (He's still broadly on the left last I heard so I was probably being unfair to him)
He wrote a brilliant memoir of his time in Haiti as part of the US occupation/peacekeeping force in the early 90's. Genuinely one of the most interesting memoirs I've ever read. It's called 'Hideous Dream'. Check it out.
Pat Tillman was Chomsky's one Reinhold Nibour voter
Afghani is a currency. An afghan is a person from afghanistan. There are podcasts with 75th Ranger Battalion vets who were on the mission here in youtube. Soft white under belly is the channel i think. Also one of the team room podcast guys has said the ranger who shot Tillman was a good ranger lol
Haha it's so funny you point that out. In the moment of recording, I (Ben) was thinking "isn't one of these a blanket or a scarf? I can't remember which though." Apologies for the insensitive and sloppy whiff there.
And dang, you've definitely pointed out a missed opportunity! We mostly focused our research on this one on some books and some docs and clearly missed out on some good fellow-podcast-research-opportunities. I think we're a bit hesitant to use other pods as research for our pod, for creativity reasons.
Maybe at some point down the line we'll do an ep on Operator Podcasts (specifically), which is what the Team Room Pod looks like. We just finished recording an episode today where we talked a little bit about about Operator Culture (and some of the business they found/guide/think they're experts in).
family guy episode when kings
Haha we can't give you a hard timeline or anything, but it's definitely in the medium-term!
You should get zoomer tombstone to cover SpongeBob or something
Tillman really is the SpongeBob of the zoomers. No I won't explain.
We've been thinking about Spongebob for awhile now!! We've just struggled to come up with some kind of angle of approach other than "it's great and perfect."
There's no need to explain, it's perfectly clear! Pat Tillman has Spongebob levels of enthusiasm ("I'm ready!"). Then he sees what the military is like, and he's closer to hungover-on-ice-cream spongebob from the first act of the feature film. Sadly, he was killed and covered up before goofy goober spongebob-Tillman could manifest.
@@RememberShuffleHenry from the Talking Simpsons podcast often talks about his "theory" that SpongeBob blew up in popularity and as just a marketing icon after 9/11 because Americans needed their over-the-top positive characters. Its also pretty fascinating that the legendary fan-favorite episode "Band Geeks" aired on 9/7/01
also the gay panic SpongeBob caused is very funny. To this day my dad still looks at SpongeBob as "gay shit"