Hey everyone! Just wanted to clarify, that there has not yet been official confirmation of an infrared capable camera being used on set. In the video I do say that it was filmed in Infrared and not black and white, this was based on my understanding and experience shooting infrared footage along with comparing the characteristics of infrared imaging to the trailer footage. Going forward I'll make sure to provide sources to information and to clarify when it's my opinion and or speculation. I have recently reached out to Grieg Fraser to see if he can confirm this though. Thanks H
I think it's a pretty safe assumption. I've been shooting IR stills with modified cameras for years and thought IR the second I saw it. That look is very difficult to fake, though people try. Fake IR never looks quite like the real thing, especially with those flesh tones like you see on Stellan Skarsgard at 2:05. Very cool!
Great video and nice observation. The first time I saw the footage with the Baron and Feyd Rautha in what appears high contrast B&W...I thought the footage had that ethereal glowing quality that only black and white infrared properly filtered can produce. And I dont know that with current digital filmmaking techniques you can even fake this look in post production. The only problem with your theory would be that I believe Kodak stopped making black and white infrared film stocks years ago. Ilford had some decent infrared film stock. But would either company have been able to generate a whole new batch required to shoot this much footage. Love your channel.
@@Yojimb001 it can be done with modified digital cameras. Pretty much all modern digital cameras come with a built-in sensor filter that blocks infrared light. Those filters can be replaced with filters that only allow infrared to pass. I've done this with a handful of cameras over the years. It's a fun way to shoot, but it's pretty much a permanent modification - expensive to switch back and forth.
As in my comment before, I can assure you infrared cameras do exist and I have worked with them. I'm a dolly grip, so I'm close to cameras all the time. They even let me touch them sometimes. Can't say as to wether or not they used them in Dune part 2 or not, but we filmed a segment with them for an Apple TV show I worked on in 2022.
In the book, Giedi Prime is described as a world receiving a small fraction of solar light and with a vegetation with reduced level of photosynthesis. Using infrared is a nice way to highlight this, as if the light band was much narrower than our own.
@@avocatobobble inside a building. In the trailer for Dune Part 2, the interior scenes seem to add a fraaaction of colour to the image vs being out in the direct sunlight.
Color is emotion, a total lack of color deepens the stark, emotionless aspect of the Harkonnen, and - if it's IR - it feels better, more real to the eye. It places Giedi Prime in contrast to Caladan...
emotionless i'd call it greyed out like soviet blocks in a cloudy day. black and white actually conveys a lot of emotion, this is why a lot of portrait photography is done in black and white, it captures the soul. the harkonens were not emotionless, quite the contrary, but their emotions were quite dark and evil. black and white cinematography really captured that intensity. back in 2022 i did s short video of a dune like planet and i also imagined it it black and white to convey more emotion in a different way, very cool to see villeneuve doing that in a big production.
I do infrared photography as a hobby, what I like is the contrast between light and dark is beautiful. Infrared in human is special, they make your skin look pale and soft, the eye color is deep and dark, the effect is same to all skin type. And it's good for showing faction with cruel emotionless with monotone color. It's cold and weird, and it's look uncanny.
yeah used it at a wedding once and while the bride was really nice and very good looking the image looked like she was some angel of death not an evil one tho😂😅
Do you have any good recommendations of image studies that show the difference between simple black-and-white vs. infrared photography? i.e., why the latter rather than the former?
In the Books is also discribed, that the Harkonnen homeworld Giedi Prime has a black sun. So the infrared scenes outdoor on Giedi Prime is a perfect way to show this. The scenes inside the bildings are colored because of the artificial light. I love this details.
Oh man, something felt different when I saw those shots in the trailer, but it didn't click that it's IR. Just more reason that Villeneuve is one of our generation's very best.
Back in 1993 when I was engaged to my 1st wife.... a good friend of mine - who was a photographer - shot our "engagement" photos in Infrared. It's a fantastic look, and it makes your skin look flawless too.
I've been shooting digital infrared portraiture since 2016, and have dabbled in near-IR film stocks. In looking at this footage, it has all the aspects of having been shot in IR. The alabaster skin and pale lips being two. Costuming and lighting (or, more to the point, controlling the light if they're shooting anywhere other than outdoors in bright sunlight) certainly matter, too. While I shoot IR portraits in the same way as I do standard portraits, using the same lighting equipment, more consideration is needed for outfits and makeup. As for the focus-shift in IR with traditional SLR and DSLR cameras, that is eliminated when shooting on mirrorless, since the focus goes directly to the sensor. No need for focus adjustments at all. I read Dune some 40 years ago, and don't much remember it, so I can't say from a story perspective why they'd shoot in IR, but if that's what they did (vs. using some post-production filter setting), that's really neat.
Gedi Prime has its star at the end of its life cycle and emits light in IR spectrum. You can notice the color shifts as the characters move in and out of the shadows. Incredible.
Now that i've seen the movie and know what planet they used the infrared for it makes so much sense why they would use it to depict the specific world we saw. Man Dune Part 2 was so incredible. Really hope they turn Dune: Messiah into a movie as well. Denis Villeneuve can be trusted with the books.
Infra-Red would also affect focus, as the wavelength of light is longer. Older film SLRs lenses had an extra focus setting in red to indicate where one would have to focus if one were using infra-red film. This film would also have to be loaded in complete darkness. Ultra-violate films needed lenses with no UV coating. Nikon had a special 100mm F2.8 that was used to photograph injuries, as the UV light from a specialised flashgun could penetrate the top layer of skin to show the damage still recorded by the dermis.
Did they shoot these sections on film? It's pretty easy to get a full-specturm digital camera - in simplest explanation for the non-camera geeks reading, Most sensors see more then the human eye, and all DSLR and Digital Cinema sensors have filter layers that cut off IR and UV. The camera can be sent to a specialist for either having the filters removed (which can often destroy the sensor if done wrong), or having a specially ordered filterless sensor fitted. DSLR/Mirrorless is usually the filter removal process, cinema cameras are a special order for the manufacturer, if the manufacturer recognises the name of the Cinematographer being prestigeous enough for the manufacturer to make the effort.
I doubt the focus offset would efect the pullers since they're manually focusing off of a live digital view anyway. It might actually be easier to see what's going on
"True" IR film needs special treatment, but what is now available for photography (like Ilford SFX 200 or Rollei IR) is rather "extended" to near infrared and can be handled like any other material. Just that the filter reduces sensitivity big times (around 6 stops), so it does not seem likely that film was used, but rather a digital camera with full-spectrum conversion (the UV+IR filter removed from the sensor) and filters - much more flexible. No problem with focussing when previewing through the sensor.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes I never heard of ultra-violate light before; at first I thought you might have meant ultra-violent, which is what A Clockwork Orange was filmed in (which in itself is curious, since the color orange doesn't generally register on ultra-violent cameras).
@@c.augustin Digital cameras that have a setting for IR generally have two separate filters, one that filters out the infrared spectrum when not set to IR mode, and the other that filters out most visible light when set to IR. The latter may be a digital filter, though, meaning that the blue and green components are discarded, leaving only the extended-range red components.
As a budding pro photographer I shot quite bit of infra-red back in the day - back in the early 80's! It was fascinating stuff to use. This was of course pre photoshop and digital effects so creating these effects in camera was way cool and probably hard to appreciate now that any effect is an AI prompt away. I saw the shorts for Dune and immediately thought, man that looks like infra-red!
Awesome, I really want to shoot some infrared on film. I’ve actually just borrowed my friends digital infrared camera 📷 it’s pretty incredible how the image looks!
Infrared Black and White looks totally different how we see the world. The skin is quite bright, the blue sky is dark. Plants are bright. But there are no plants.
Hey man loved the video! Just wanted to tell you that Austin Butler just confirmed on the Graham Norton show that the Arena sequence was in fact shot in IR. Good work!
One of the differences of shooting in IR vs visible light is that IR scatters less inside the skin and penetrates deeper into tissue, before (partly) scattering back out. To our perception, this makes soft or thin tissue even softer and thinner. In the ears for instance, this effect is quite apparent.
I definitely think it’s worldbuilding-so far it seems like it’s outdoor daytime shots on this planet leading me to think it’ll have something to do with the sunlight there. This scene in the book takes place during the timeline of the story and isn’t one of Paul’s visions
I was trying to explain this to my friend after we saw the movie, it's the most subtly insane sci-fi thing ever. White light without color is impossible, my comparison was like that of infrared cameras (not infrared as in FLIR). It didn't even occur to me that they could have filmed it in infrared!
IIRC many of the night scenes in Nope were filmed using infrared in parallel to a conventional camera, in order to make all of the day for night that they did in that movie more convincing
I worked on an Apple TV show in 2022 (hasn't come out yet) and we filmed a segment in infrared. The cameras were pretty awesome and it was a fun couple of days.
@@carlosandleon That's actually a hard question to answer, the worthiness of renewing your subscription, because what I experience on set would not be indicative of what you would experience on screen. What I see and read from day to day forms, often, a completely different idea of what the show will become. That said, I cannot say anything about the show, other than it's called Sugar and you should be able to find the IMDB page for it and make your own determination.
After watching the film, It was film in Geidi Prime was filmed in infrared to express the sadistic nature of that civilization.. something is void.. and it is haunting.
This film is so deeply rooted in reality that it captures the shift in the light spectrum caused by the local star, allowing viewers to see the world through a different spectrum.
I think IR was a great choice for Geidi Prime to contrast with Arrakis which is orange, red, brown. Aside from all the amazing technical reasons, it was spectacular.
Hey Hayden! Interesting observation you made here. I am also an infrared photographer ( @670NM on VERO) and I think the main reason they used IR in these shots is, because in infrared the skin looks brighter and more surreal and also the eyes look different, alienated, otherworldly. Maybe also later they want to show something like "dream visions" of the same character, maybe surrounded by some vegetation/trees (if any exist in the world of Dune?!) and then the visuals really make sense. But I can guarantee you these shots are in infrared - look at the actors lips, they are completely bright and the eyes look glassy, empty.
I think the reason people don't really talk much about infra red photography/filming any more is because film is almost redundant. Which is a shame because essentially it will become a lost art. It can be simulated with digital manipulation but it will never be the same. Looking forward to seeing it in context of the whole movie.
There's a filter on you phone camera to stop it from picking up IR light. If you remove that and add a normal light filter you get a IR digital camera...
It gives a very dramatic style. Certain colors pop more or are softer. It is visually very unique and tricks the brain into know what they are looking at is real, but not right. Quite fun.
These scenes take place on Giedi Prime (the Harkonnen homeworld), so I think that's absolutely the reason. Either a basic visual differentiation, or maybe cannonically the sun is a red dwarf (I don't believe the sun is mentioned in any of the books, but could be wrong).
Mentioned as a “black sun”, most take that to mean a low mass star, with most of its light in the IR spectrum. That coupled with the polluted atmosphere of the Planet.
the books do mention that Giedi Prime's sun is a rather dim star that doesn't emit much light - and turns out this was absolutely the reason. Interior shots all looked normal, only exteriors were filmed this way. They even combine both types of footage when Feyd Rautha looks out the window, the world outside is colourless, but the corridors and rooms inside look normal.
I thought they filmed it in infrared to emphasize how merciless the landscape and heat is on planet Arrakis, just like the Harkkon. When I watched the gladiator scene, I had the urge to squint because the scene seemed too bright and hot. 😅
Scientist not photographer, but I work with a lot of IR remote sensing data. I never use it on all bands, you generally use a band combination (RGB - whichever color and replace with IR). Depending on what bands you replace you are able to see wavelengths that are not normally visible to the human eye. If you replace all three bands (RGB) with IR you get B&W. I you use NIR (Near Infrared) you get that specific super rich B&W. It’s able to still make details you normally wouldn’t notice become vibrant. It also makes the sky dark and clouds extremely bright, I want to say contrast but selective difference or negative sounds more accurate I guess, (not photographer again) because it’s giving a different tone to things than you’d normally see, maybe that is just contrast I’m not sure. It looks surreal when you see it though. Super excited for Dune 2.
Random question, I’m still it school and I didn’t fully understand it but is this similar to how infrared spectroscopy works and allows you to identify different bond/functional groups ?
@@rubiksworld2170not really. Chemical identification thanks to infrared is due to the fact that the bonds are polar and vibrate in some way. There charge asymmetry produce light at the vibration frequency and this is often in the infrared. On the other hand filming in IR here means using the blackbody radiation from the sun as a broadband light source: it emits a continuum of light from uv to ir. Filming in IR in this context surely means using a silicon image sensor (sensitive to less than 1um) with a filter to remove low wavelength (let's say 800nm). It's totally possible to make a camera sensitive to only specific chemical bonds. But it's not very useful from a cinematography point of view. Also yet another another user use of it is of course thermal imaging where the source is now every objects own broadband emission. It can be used for cinema, but it's definitely weirder looking than just very near infrared.
The planet Geidi Prime is supposed to have a wrecked ecosystem and in the movie version, the Harkkonen are damn near nocturnal because of the pollution in the sky. It's probably supposed to be how the locals see in low light.
As an infrared photographer, this immediately caught my eye. I, a nobody, even wrote to the cinematographer asking questions about these shoots. Can’t wait to see this movie.
Thanks for explaining it!!! It made me love the movie even more!!! 😃😃😃 ... because there are still so many things that humanity has not even tried, and this special effect, cinematography, showcases that!!! 😊😊😊
I thought while watching the movie in IMAX that the scene on Geidi Prime during the celebration, that the fireworks looked extraordinarily weird. Not just black and white, but mind-bendingly strange. Maybe that’s the effect from the infrared. Very interesting ! Thank you.
My father is a professional photographer and he shot in infrared often. One of the coolest things is the simple fact it brings out details we can’t see. Clouds in the sky that show up in ir but not visible light because that patch of sky is reflecting heat but not defusing visible light. Different fabrics reflect ir differently than visible so what looks all black in visible is or can be very different shades of grey in ir.
Ah, that makes sense. The look of those scenes was awesome. The filming in infrared gave the scenes a heightened stark desolate feel, that just shooting in the bright sunlight of the desert would not convey It goes with the paleness of the everyone on Giedi Prime.
Probably because Oppenheimer had black and white sequences too, for which they had to invent a new type of IMAX film, so the Dune guys wanted to do the same thing, but as they were shooting in digital, this was their only option for making the technical aspect of the BW sequences interesting.
Infrared photography makes it easier to do the compositing shots separating the background from the photograph. It also allows you to avoid atmospheric conditions naturally occurring in big exterior scenes again making it easier for the effect department to separate the background. It also allows you to control the artificial lighting of the scene with foreground lights, not spilling onto the background, and it allows for creative infrared light make up and costume decisions.
Story reasons aside, I think they make it pretty clear in the movie that the local star of Giedi Prime only emitted black and white light (whatever that means).
Im surprices i dont see anyone mention the moon rover scene from Ad Astra. They used infrared cameras to have a distinct difference between the surface of the moon and the space around. And it worked so well!
I hope Villeneuve just uses this technique without trying to justify it pragmatically from context of the movie, unlike people keep suggesting. I mean, there's nothing wrong with shooting a scene a certain way because it just fits it and enhances the overall impact, even though it's inconsistent. There is no reason to have to be on a specific planet that may look like in infrared or have a flashback or whatever. It's experimental, but this director has the balls to do it and do it well.
That basically means Kodak made IR films for IMAX now, which also means sometime in the future these IR films could be re-spooled and available for the market. I'm definitely ready for that
One reason could be is that it's meant to differentiate the Harkonnen world as much as possible from the rest of the universe, showing it to be as alien to others they've become, apart from a sane reality and nothing we'd be welcome in or would wish to visit.
Since infrared is, by definition, not visible to the human eye, it has to be mapped into the visible spectrum. IR is not necessarily black and white nor is it necessarily false color. The mapping into the visible spectrum is similar to color grading except that there is no visible starting point. The decision to map into black and white or into a full or limited spectrum false color is a creative choice. The choice to map into grayscale/black and white is common. One could argue that B&W IR is the most true version because you are simply mapping IR intensity into greyscale intensity. Mapping IR into color seems more artificial because the color bands in the visible spectrum may have little to no meaning in the IR spectrum so they might seem to introduce a random artificiality. The cool thing about B&W IR images is that they are just as valid as regular B&W images. They are real light (IR) bouncing off real objects to create very realistic images because the mapping is so simple, it introduces no arbitrary artificialness. That said, a B&W image from visible light will typically look substantially different from a B&W image taken from IR light, even if you normalize contrast and overall brightness. The magical thing about B&W IR images is that they are very real yet reflect our world in a way that we don't normally see it. It is as if we had alien eyeballs to see our world in a different but equally valid way. This may be why B&W IR is used in films. It keeps the images very real but simultaneously looks very different from how you have ever seen the world before. That view through "alien eyeballs" gives the viewer space to experience and interpret the action in new ways.
The military uses infrared (thermal, not “night vision”) to make humans stand out in clear contrast to their surroundings. This is useful at night but it’s not a “night vision camera.” True night vision is used to intensify ambient light that wouldn’t be visible to the naked eye but it almost certainly wasn’t used here.
The lighting is easy. But you buy the lights from security suppliers instead of film or photography suppliers, that way you can get IR Floods and IR Spots.
All the Infra red scenes we've seen so far are actually on the Harkonnen homeworld of Geidi prime, which is a different planet to the rest of the story which is set on Arakis. I'm guessing its a stylistic choice for the way the planet and the light from its star being different to what you see in the Arakis solar system.
Someone else's video talked about Geidi Prime's sun being too cool for proper visible colors, so infrared was actually the dominant outdoor light. I don't recall him talking about reengineering the populace.
2:56 you answered at the end. Herbert made a lot of connections between ecology and society, it is very obvious by the fremen's way of life in Arrakis - and the fremen were space refugees, a people who had been kicked out of other planets by the powerful houses until they settled in this miserable planet and had to adapt to it. If a black star could only emit infrared light, perhaps the people living in its orbit would develop aggressive traits in this particular ecology, which is what I believe Dune II portrays.
Giedi Prime is a very unique planet. It's sun has a very diffrent hue and intensity then other stars. This is explained in the books. I think Villeneuve wanted to reflect this fact. Colors would be very diffrent in Giedi Prime.
It's possible that they just used, say, only the red channel from an RGB camera and mapped that to greyscale; possibly with only a narrow band of red lighting used too. Would make it far easier to make sure props and lighting are suitable while still achieving much the same look. The choice could also be intended to evoke things like surveillance and trail cameras, a more detached, clinical or predatory view of the world.
One reason for shooting in infrared is that, to my knowledge, black and white IMAX film has only existed for a short time. I think 60mm black and white film was created recently by Nolan (or his team/DOP) for Oppenheimer. It's possible Villeneuve didn't know about the creation of this film before beginning work on Dune part 2, or, didn't have access to it, or, it's potentially cheaper to shoot in infrared rather than on actual film. Just speculating though.
Neat idea, but I just don't think these shots are in infrared. In a few of them, the warrior has his mouth open. If it was infrared, the inside of his mouth would be brighter than his skin. And the stadium shot (which is obvious CGI anyway) wouldn't have sharply defined shadows from the sun, instead there would be a blurry effect across the sun's path as the sand that HAD been in the sun slowly cools.
You are thinking of thermal infrared, which is much deeper into the spectrum. The infrared spectrum that is captured by infrared-sensitive sensors or film, that is closer to the visual color red, certainly captures sharp delineations between sun-lit areas and shadow. Near-infrared doesn't capture heat - it instead simply captures surfaces that reflect infrared light. That is consistent with the look achieved by using such films as Kodak HIE, or by removing the infrared-blocking sensor on a digital camera and replacing it with a visual-spectrum-blocking filter instead.
Different fabrics reflect different spectrums of light differently the same how makeup vs skin may react to light differently. A lot of experimenting to work everything out to see what works and doesn’t.
It's likely that beings from a different planet see light on a different part of the light spectrum than we do. The director probably wanted to show the perspective of these beings by filiming the scenes on a different part of the light spectrum.
Denis Villeneuve briefly talked about the somewhat risky decision to use what he referred to as IR for filming of the Geidi Prime scenes while he was on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, right around the time of the release in the US.
It looks like most of the infrared scenes are going to be on Giedi Prime, and the Harkkonens are visually based off of insects in Denis' movies (the armor resembles ants and the spice harvesting ships are in the shapes of ticks). Blood sucking insects rely on infrared vision to find food, so using infrared light to film the scene of the Harkkonens, the blood suckers of Dune, participating in gladiator-style blood sport is incredibly evocative and intelligent on Denis' part.
Well if you read the book all of the shots we see in the trailers are on Giedi Prime. So perhaps that is what it looks like when in the sun on Giedi Prime? That would be pretty cool actually.
I have an associates degree in film studies. This is the best science fiction movie that has come out in a long time. I absolutely loved it what a great movie. 👍
The Baron [2:04] looks the kind of predator we expect to see in nocturnal wildlife documentaries; infr-red both presents us (by association) with creatures of Darkness, and (visually) brings out a worm-like Paleness in the Harkonens.
Hey everyone! Just wanted to clarify, that there has not yet been official confirmation of an infrared capable camera being used on set. In the video I do say that it was filmed in Infrared and not black and white, this was based on my understanding and experience shooting infrared footage along with comparing the characteristics of infrared imaging to the trailer footage. Going forward I'll make sure to provide sources to information and to clarify when it's my opinion and or speculation. I have recently reached out to Grieg Fraser to see if he can confirm this though. Thanks H
I think it's a pretty safe assumption. I've been shooting IR stills with modified cameras for years and thought IR the second I saw it. That look is very difficult to fake, though people try. Fake IR never looks quite like the real thing, especially with those flesh tones like you see on Stellan Skarsgard at 2:05. Very cool!
It was obvious from the first trailer. The skin looks translucent, and mouths and eyes look like pits. Only IR can do that.
Great video and nice observation. The first time I saw the footage with the Baron and Feyd Rautha in what appears high contrast B&W...I thought the footage had that ethereal glowing quality that only black and white infrared properly filtered can produce. And I dont know that with current digital filmmaking techniques you can even fake this look in post production. The only problem with your theory would be that I believe Kodak stopped making black and white infrared film stocks years ago. Ilford had some decent infrared film stock. But would either company have been able to generate a whole new batch required to shoot this much footage. Love your channel.
@@Yojimb001 it can be done with modified digital cameras. Pretty much all modern digital cameras come with a built-in sensor filter that blocks infrared light. Those filters can be replaced with filters that only allow infrared to pass. I've done this with a handful of cameras over the years. It's a fun way to shoot, but it's pretty much a permanent modification - expensive to switch back and forth.
As in my comment before, I can assure you infrared cameras do exist and I have worked with them. I'm a dolly grip, so I'm close to cameras all the time. They even let me touch them sometimes. Can't say as to wether or not they used them in Dune part 2 or not, but we filmed a segment with them for an Apple TV show I worked on in 2022.
In the book, Giedi Prime is described as a world receiving a small fraction of solar light and with a vegetation with reduced level of photosynthesis. Using infrared is a nice way to highlight this, as if the light band was much narrower than our own.
This! it's very clear in the books!
It also explains why the Harkonnens and every one of their servants is so pale.
Yes but we've already seen Geidi Prime in the first film...
@@avocatobobble At night. Yes.
@@avocatobobble inside a building. In the trailer for Dune Part 2, the interior scenes seem to add a fraaaction of colour to the image vs being out in the direct sunlight.
Just watched the movie. The way it transitions from regular to infrared footage is mindblowing.
I think I’ve figured out how they did that 👀🤔
Only noticed that on my second viewing. Incredible stuff.
@@HaydenSmithiewe need a video on that!❤
They probably filmed with 2 cameras to get the infrared and visual spectrums and spliced them together
@@oigliyj Nice, thanks!
Well now we know it's because the planet has a black sun, which is SUPER cool. Makes the whole planet feel alien.
All new meaning to the song: Black Hole Sun
@@yupnope3171black hole sun
Wont you co- oh fuck OH FUCK THE SUNS A BLACK HOLE WE'RE FUCKED
@@yupnope3171rather Sol Niger Within
Color is emotion, a total lack of color deepens the stark, emotionless aspect of the Harkonnen, and - if it's IR - it feels better, more real to the eye. It places Giedi Prime in contrast to Caladan...
I would not call them emotionless. their emotions are if anything more extreme. with a singular focus.
No, its to show how Geidi Prime gets less solar light, as described in the book
emotionless i'd call it greyed out like soviet blocks in a cloudy day. black and white actually conveys a lot of emotion, this is why a lot of portrait photography is done in black and white, it captures the soul. the harkonens were not emotionless, quite the contrary, but their emotions were quite dark and evil. black and white cinematography really captured that intensity. back in 2022 i did s short video of a dune like planet and i also imagined it it black and white to convey more emotion in a different way, very cool to see villeneuve doing that in a big production.
@@euclois Awesome comment, thanks
The Harkonnen do know emotions... intense fear and intense rage.
I do infrared photography as a hobby, what I like is the contrast between light and dark is beautiful. Infrared in human is special, they make your skin look pale and soft, the eye color is deep and dark, the effect is same to all skin type. And it's good for showing faction with cruel emotionless with monotone color. It's cold and weird, and it's look uncanny.
yeah used it at a wedding once and while the bride was really nice and very good looking the image looked like she was some angel of death not an evil one tho😂😅
Do you have any good recommendations of image studies that show the difference between simple black-and-white vs. infrared photography? i.e., why the latter rather than the former?
Great description
In the Books is also discribed, that the Harkonnen homeworld Giedi Prime has a black sun. So the infrared scenes outdoor on Giedi Prime is a perfect way to show this. The scenes inside the bildings are colored because of the artificial light. I love this details.
“Infrared is not something we see a lot of”. True. So true. 😂
Will they film a Clockwork Orange remake in Good Old Fashioned Ultraviolet?
Oh man, something felt different when I saw those shots in the trailer, but it didn't click that it's IR. Just more reason that Villeneuve is one of our generation's very best.
using the infrared for gierdi prime was such a clever idea. Denis said in the interview that he loves to try crazy new stuff like this
Back in 1993 when I was engaged to my 1st wife.... a good friend of mine - who was a photographer - shot our "engagement" photos in Infrared. It's a fantastic look, and it makes your skin look flawless too.
I've been shooting digital infrared portraiture since 2016, and have dabbled in near-IR film stocks. In looking at this footage, it has all the aspects of having been shot in IR. The alabaster skin and pale lips being two.
Costuming and lighting (or, more to the point, controlling the light if they're shooting anywhere other than outdoors in bright sunlight) certainly matter, too. While I shoot IR portraits in the same way as I do standard portraits, using the same lighting equipment, more consideration is needed for outfits and makeup.
As for the focus-shift in IR with traditional SLR and DSLR cameras, that is eliminated when shooting on mirrorless, since the focus goes directly to the sensor. No need for focus adjustments at all.
I read Dune some 40 years ago, and don't much remember it, so I can't say from a story perspective why they'd shoot in IR, but if that's what they did (vs. using some post-production filter setting), that's really neat.
Gedi Prime has its star at the end of its life cycle and emits light in IR spectrum. You can notice the color shifts as the characters move in and out of the shadows. Incredible.
Now that i've seen the movie and know what planet they used the infrared for it makes so much sense why they would use it to depict the specific world we saw. Man Dune Part 2 was so incredible. Really hope they turn Dune: Messiah into a movie as well. Denis Villeneuve can be trusted with the books.
Infra-Red would also affect focus, as the wavelength of light is longer. Older film SLRs lenses had an extra focus setting in red to indicate where one would have to focus if one were using infra-red film. This film would also have to be loaded in complete darkness. Ultra-violate films needed lenses with no UV coating. Nikon had a special 100mm F2.8 that was used to photograph injuries, as the UV light from a specialised flashgun could penetrate the top layer of skin to show the damage still recorded by the dermis.
Did they shoot these sections on film? It's pretty easy to get a full-specturm digital camera - in simplest explanation for the non-camera geeks reading, Most sensors see more then the human eye, and all DSLR and Digital Cinema sensors have filter layers that cut off IR and UV. The camera can be sent to a specialist for either having the filters removed (which can often destroy the sensor if done wrong), or having a specially ordered filterless sensor fitted. DSLR/Mirrorless is usually the filter removal process, cinema cameras are a special order for the manufacturer, if the manufacturer recognises the name of the Cinematographer being prestigeous enough for the manufacturer to make the effort.
I doubt the focus offset would efect the pullers since they're manually focusing off of a live digital view anyway. It might actually be easier to see what's going on
"True" IR film needs special treatment, but what is now available for photography (like Ilford SFX 200 or Rollei IR) is rather "extended" to near infrared and can be handled like any other material. Just that the filter reduces sensitivity big times (around 6 stops), so it does not seem likely that film was used, but rather a digital camera with full-spectrum conversion (the UV+IR filter removed from the sensor) and filters - much more flexible. No problem with focussing when previewing through the sensor.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes I never heard of ultra-violate light before; at first I thought you might have meant ultra-violent, which is what A Clockwork Orange was filmed in (which in itself is curious, since the color orange doesn't generally register on ultra-violent cameras).
@@c.augustin Digital cameras that have a setting for IR generally have two separate filters, one that filters out the infrared spectrum when not set to IR mode, and the other that filters out most visible light when set to IR. The latter may be a digital filter, though, meaning that the blue and green components are discarded, leaving only the extended-range red components.
The Events that take place on the planet of the Harkonnens (Geidi Prime) are filmed in Infrared
As a budding pro photographer I shot quite bit of infra-red back in the day - back in the early 80's! It was fascinating stuff to use. This was of course pre photoshop and digital effects so creating these effects in camera was way cool and probably hard to appreciate now that any effect is an AI prompt away. I saw the shorts for Dune and immediately thought, man that looks like infra-red!
Awesome, I really want to shoot some infrared on film. I’ve actually just borrowed my friends digital infrared camera 📷 it’s pretty incredible how the image looks!
@@HaydenSmithie if you get the chance to shoot film, try out some filters. The results can get pretty freakie.
Infrared Black and White looks totally different how we see the world. The skin is quite bright, the blue sky is dark. Plants are bright. But there are no plants.
Hey man loved the video! Just wanted to tell you that Austin Butler just confirmed on the Graham Norton show that the Arena sequence was in fact shot in IR. Good work!
One of the differences of shooting in IR vs visible light is that IR scatters less inside the skin and penetrates deeper into tissue, before (partly) scattering back out. To our perception, this makes soft or thin tissue even softer and thinner. In the ears for instance, this effect is quite apparent.
Giedi Prime is a misused rock spinning around a weak and pitiable sun, filming it in infrared is pure genius!!
the movie was a visual feast for the eyes in IMAX. absolutely breathtaking.
I definitely think it’s worldbuilding-so far it seems like it’s outdoor daytime shots on this planet leading me to think it’ll have something to do with the sunlight there. This scene in the book takes place during the timeline of the story and isn’t one of Paul’s visions
well, you were 100% correct, it is supposed to represent the "black sun" of Giedi Prime.
June part two was amazing!
I was trying to explain this to my friend after we saw the movie, it's the most subtly insane sci-fi thing ever. White light without color is impossible, my comparison was like that of infrared cameras (not infrared as in FLIR). It didn't even occur to me that they could have filmed it in infrared!
IIRC many of the night scenes in Nope were filmed using infrared in parallel to a conventional camera, in order to make all of the day for night that they did in that movie more convincing
"Understated Gorgeous" would be a good description of the visuals for Nope.
I worked on an Apple TV show in 2022 (hasn't come out yet) and we filmed a segment in infrared. The cameras were pretty awesome and it was a fun couple of days.
which show? is it worth uncancelling my subscription?
@@carlosandleon That's actually a hard question to answer, the worthiness of renewing your subscription, because what I experience on set would not be indicative of what you would experience on screen. What I see and read from day to day forms, often, a completely different idea of what the show will become. That said, I cannot say anything about the show, other than it's called Sugar and you should be able to find the IMDB page for it and make your own determination.
The Zone of Interest also has a nice surprise for fans of infrared/thermal sequences
I'm so excited for that movie!
@@Theghostdiaries Apologies for the tiny spoiler :P hope you enjoy!
Infrared can render the subject supernatural, surreal and/or ghastly. Infrared is fun to play with.
After watching the film, It was film in Geidi Prime was filmed in infrared to express the sadistic nature of that civilization.. something is void.. and it is haunting.
IR was used by Hoyte Van Hoeytyema on a couple of pretty big movies recently. Ad Astra and Nope if anyone's interested.
IR photography is used to terrific effect in "The Zone of Interest", a film that everybody should see.
This film is so deeply rooted in reality that it captures the shift in the light spectrum caused by the local star, allowing viewers to see the world through a different spectrum.
It's a stylistic decision, not a realism one. Every star emits infrared light -- including our Sun. There's nothing "rooted in reality" about this.
I think IR was a great choice for Geidi Prime to contrast with Arrakis which is orange, red, brown. Aside from all the amazing technical reasons, it was spectacular.
Hey Hayden! Interesting observation you made here.
I am also an infrared photographer ( @670NM on VERO) and I think the main reason they used IR in these shots is, because in infrared the skin looks brighter and more surreal and also the eyes look different, alienated, otherworldly. Maybe also later they want to show something like "dream visions" of the same character, maybe surrounded by some vegetation/trees (if any exist in the world of Dune?!) and then the visuals really make sense.
But I can guarantee you these shots are in infrared - look at the actors lips, they are completely bright and the eyes look glassy, empty.
Nolan: Films some Oppenheimer scenes in Black and White IMAX
Villeneuve: TIENS MON BIÉRE!
I think the reason people don't really talk much about infra red photography/filming any more is because film is almost redundant. Which is a shame because essentially it will become a lost art. It can be simulated with digital manipulation but it will never be the same. Looking forward to seeing it in context of the whole movie.
Have you informed the film directors about this?
almost redundant makes it sound like eventually it will, which it wont
@@michaelkennedy8270They meant photosensitive film as a recording medium, not movies.
@@Elriuhilu Thank you for the clarity! I really wasn't thing too well was I?!
There's a filter on you phone camera to stop it from picking up IR light. If you remove that and add a normal light filter you get a IR digital camera...
It gives a very dramatic style. Certain colors pop more or are softer. It is visually very unique and tricks the brain into know what they are looking at is real, but not right. Quite fun.
These scenes take place on Giedi Prime (the Harkonnen homeworld), so I think that's absolutely the reason. Either a basic visual differentiation, or maybe cannonically the sun is a red dwarf (I don't believe the sun is mentioned in any of the books, but could be wrong).
Mentioned as a “black sun”, most take that to mean a low mass star, with most of its light in the IR spectrum. That coupled with the polluted atmosphere of the Planet.
the books do mention that Giedi Prime's sun is a rather dim star that doesn't emit much light - and turns out this was absolutely the reason. Interior shots all looked normal, only exteriors were filmed this way. They even combine both types of footage when Feyd Rautha looks out the window, the world outside is colourless, but the corridors and rooms inside look normal.
Pure clarity and detail. If 2001's space shots had been filmed in properly lit infrared, it would have been magnitudes more wondrous to behold
They were not Infared cameras. They were Arri L
Thank you, I had no idea about this before watching your video
I thought they filmed it in infrared to emphasize how merciless the landscape and heat is on planet Arrakis, just like the Harkkon. When I watched the gladiator scene, I had the urge to squint because the scene seemed too bright and hot. 😅
Scientist not photographer, but I work with a lot of IR remote sensing data. I never use it on all bands, you generally use a band combination (RGB - whichever color and replace with IR). Depending on what bands you replace you are able to see wavelengths that are not normally visible to the human eye. If you replace all three bands (RGB) with IR you get B&W. I you use NIR (Near Infrared) you get that specific super rich B&W. It’s able to still make details you normally wouldn’t notice become vibrant. It also makes the sky dark and clouds extremely bright, I want to say contrast but selective difference or negative sounds more accurate I guess, (not photographer again) because it’s giving a different tone to things than you’d normally see, maybe that is just contrast I’m not sure. It looks surreal when you see it though.
Super excited for Dune 2.
Random question, I’m still it school and I didn’t fully understand it but is this similar to how infrared spectroscopy works and allows you to identify different bond/functional groups ?
@@rubiksworld2170not really.
Chemical identification thanks to infrared is due to the fact that the bonds are polar and vibrate in some way. There charge asymmetry produce light at the vibration frequency and this is often in the infrared.
On the other hand filming in IR here means using the blackbody radiation from the sun as a broadband light source: it emits a continuum of light from uv to ir. Filming in IR in this context surely means using a silicon image sensor (sensitive to less than 1um) with a filter to remove low wavelength (let's say 800nm).
It's totally possible to make a camera sensitive to only specific chemical bonds. But it's not very useful from a cinematography point of view.
Also yet another another user use of it is of course thermal imaging where the source is now every objects own broadband emission. It can be used for cinema, but it's definitely weirder looking than just very near infrared.
@@baptistedelplanque8859 thank you for taking the time to explain this!!
The planet Geidi Prime is supposed to have a wrecked ecosystem and in the movie version, the Harkkonen are damn near nocturnal because of the pollution in the sky. It's probably supposed to be how the locals see in low light.
When I was in college…years ago… I had the privilege to use infrared film. Oh my god, the images I caught on that film were breathtaking.
As an infrared photographer, this immediately caught my eye. I, a nobody, even wrote to the cinematographer asking questions about these shoots. Can’t wait to see this movie.
There is a scene at the start of the introduction of Giedi Prime that explained that it has a 'black sun' which assumedly only emits infrared light
Thanks for explaining it!!! It made me love the movie even more!!! 😃😃😃 ... because there are still so many things that humanity has not even tried, and this special effect, cinematography, showcases that!!! 😊😊😊
They look like the marble statues, it's so amazing!
at 2:05 it definitely looks like it was filmed on Full Spectrum.
Most likely. Or mixing.
I thought while watching the movie in IMAX that the scene on Geidi Prime during the celebration, that the fireworks looked extraordinarily weird. Not just black and white, but mind-bendingly strange. Maybe that’s the effect from the infrared. Very interesting ! Thank you.
My father is a professional photographer and he shot in infrared often. One of the coolest things is the simple fact it brings out details we can’t see. Clouds in the sky that show up in ir but not visible light because that patch of sky is reflecting heat but not defusing visible light. Different fabrics reflect ir differently than visible so what looks all black in visible is or can be very different shades of grey in ir.
I knew it! Nobody around me noticed except me when I was watching it at the cinema. Great deeing a video on it.
Ah, that makes sense. The look of those scenes was awesome. The filming in infrared gave the scenes a heightened stark desolate feel, that just shooting in the bright sunlight of the desert would not convey It goes with the paleness of the everyone on Giedi Prime.
Just came from the theater. That darkstar planet reminds me of shadow realm of Thor 4. Incredible otherworldly experience!
Probably because Oppenheimer had black and white sequences too, for which they had to invent a new type of IMAX film, so the Dune guys wanted to do the same thing, but as they were shooting in digital, this was their only option for making the technical aspect of the BW sequences interesting.
it makes sense to have scenes happening on giedi prime being caught like this, cant wait to see it
Because the planet is close to dark sun and the sun light is InfraRed spectrum, giving this visual to the planet surface
Infrared photography makes it easier to do the compositing shots separating the background from the photograph. It also allows you to avoid atmospheric conditions naturally occurring in big exterior scenes again making it easier for the effect department to separate the background. It also allows you to control the artificial lighting of the scene with foreground lights, not spilling onto the background, and it allows for creative infrared light make up and costume decisions.
Story reasons aside, I think they make it pretty clear in the movie that the local star of Giedi Prime only emitted black and white light (whatever that means).
Im surprices i dont see anyone mention the moon rover scene from Ad Astra. They used infrared cameras to have a distinct difference between the surface of the moon and the space around. And it worked so well!
Look into the 'Nope' movie. They also used Infra red filming to produce day/night imagery. It's getting used a lot more than you'd think.
Those shots of the trees at 1:08 are absolutely insane!! I had no idea shooting in infrared could give that effect.
It might be a reflection of how the Harkonnens see the world due to them maybe having altered physiology.
If they shot in infrared and standard simultaneously, they could do some neat compositing effects by using them together.
I hope Villeneuve just uses this technique without trying to justify it pragmatically from context of the movie, unlike people keep suggesting. I mean, there's nothing wrong with shooting a scene a certain way because it just fits it and enhances the overall impact, even though it's inconsistent. There is no reason to have to be on a specific planet that may look like in infrared or have a flashback or whatever. It's experimental, but this director has the balls to do it and do it well.
That basically means Kodak made IR films for IMAX now, which also means sometime in the future these IR films could be re-spooled and available for the market. I'm definitely ready for that
It could be to show the bleakness of Giedi Prime, in which this method appears to be used.
The guy basically said "I was going to do a video about this topic but didn´t find anything so sorry for that, still give me that view, thanks"
One reason could be is that it's meant to differentiate the Harkonnen world as much as possible from the rest of the universe, showing it to be as alien to others they've become, apart from a sane reality and nothing we'd be welcome in or would wish to visit.
It makes the scenes with Feyd, and the Baron look absolutely grotesque. Which is PERFECT for them.
Since infrared is, by definition, not visible to the human eye, it has to be mapped into the visible spectrum. IR is not necessarily black and white nor is it necessarily false color. The mapping into the visible spectrum is similar to color grading except that there is no visible starting point. The decision to map into black and white or into a full or limited spectrum false color is a creative choice. The choice to map into grayscale/black and white is common. One could argue that B&W IR is the most true version because you are simply mapping IR intensity into greyscale intensity. Mapping IR into color seems more artificial because the color bands in the visible spectrum may have little to no meaning in the IR spectrum so they might seem to introduce a random artificiality. The cool thing about B&W IR images is that they are just as valid as regular B&W images. They are real light (IR) bouncing off real objects to create very realistic images because the mapping is so simple, it introduces no arbitrary artificialness. That said, a B&W image from visible light will typically look substantially different from a B&W image taken from IR light, even if you normalize contrast and overall brightness. The magical thing about B&W IR images is that they are very real yet reflect our world in a way that we don't normally see it. It is as if we had alien eyeballs to see our world in a different but equally valid way. This may be why B&W IR is used in films. It keeps the images very real but simultaneously looks very different from how you have ever seen the world before. That view through "alien eyeballs" gives the viewer space to experience and interpret the action in new ways.
The military uses infrared (thermal, not “night vision”) to make humans stand out in clear contrast to their surroundings. This is useful at night but it’s not a “night vision camera.” True night vision is used to intensify ambient light that wouldn’t be visible to the naked eye but it almost certainly wasn’t used here.
I absolutely enjoyed this movie, especially the infrared portion. I can't wait to see what will come of cinematography going forward.
I didnt know Devin Townsend was getting into acting. Good on him for branching out /sarcasm
The lighting is easy. But you buy the lights from security suppliers instead of film or photography suppliers, that way you can get IR Floods and IR Spots.
All the Infra red scenes we've seen so far are actually on the Harkonnen homeworld of Geidi prime, which is a different planet to the rest of the story which is set on Arakis. I'm guessing its a stylistic choice for the way the planet and the light from its star being different to what you see in the Arakis solar system.
Someone else's video talked about Geidi Prime's sun being too cool for proper visible colors, so infrared was actually the dominant outdoor light. I don't recall him talking about reengineering the populace.
maybe that's why the fireworks in giedi prime was so bizarre. genius
2:56 you answered at the end. Herbert made a lot of connections between ecology and society, it is very obvious by the fremen's way of life in Arrakis - and the fremen were space refugees, a people who had been kicked out of other planets by the powerful houses until they settled in this miserable planet and had to adapt to it.
If a black star could only emit infrared light, perhaps the people living in its orbit would develop aggressive traits in this particular ecology, which is what I believe Dune II portrays.
Giedi Prime is a very unique planet. It's sun has a very diffrent hue and intensity then other stars. This is explained in the books.
I think Villeneuve wanted to reflect this fact. Colors would be very diffrent in Giedi Prime.
i love how skin seems to glow almost in infrared
It's possible that they just used, say, only the red channel from an RGB camera and mapped that to greyscale; possibly with only a narrow band of red lighting used too. Would make it far easier to make sure props and lighting are suitable while still achieving much the same look.
The choice could also be intended to evoke things like surveillance and trail cameras, a more detached, clinical or predatory view of the world.
"Black sun" - I'm not sure it's possible but that was the idea. Sun without colour.
One reason for shooting in infrared is that, to my knowledge, black and white IMAX film has only existed for a short time. I think 60mm black and white film was created recently by Nolan (or his team/DOP) for Oppenheimer. It's possible Villeneuve didn't know about the creation of this film before beginning work on Dune part 2, or, didn't have access to it, or, it's potentially cheaper to shoot in infrared rather than on actual film. Just speculating though.
Great vid… and I Learned something
Neat idea, but I just don't think these shots are in infrared. In a few of them, the warrior has his mouth open. If it was infrared, the inside of his mouth would be brighter than his skin. And the stadium shot (which is obvious CGI anyway) wouldn't have sharply defined shadows from the sun, instead there would be a blurry effect across the sun's path as the sand that HAD been in the sun slowly cools.
You are thinking of thermal infrared, which is much deeper into the spectrum. The infrared spectrum that is captured by infrared-sensitive sensors or film, that is closer to the visual color red, certainly captures sharp delineations between sun-lit areas and shadow. Near-infrared doesn't capture heat - it instead simply captures surfaces that reflect infrared light. That is consistent with the look achieved by using such films as Kodak HIE, or by removing the infrared-blocking sensor on a digital camera and replacing it with a visual-spectrum-blocking filter instead.
Different fabrics reflect different spectrums of light differently the same how makeup vs skin may react to light differently. A lot of experimenting to work everything out to see what works and doesn’t.
Infrared captures the temperature emanating from an object rather than reflection.
So with infra red the object itself is the light source.
It's likely that beings from a different planet see light on a different part of the light spectrum than we do. The director probably wanted to show the perspective of these beings by filiming the scenes on a different part of the light spectrum.
the cinematographer just confirmed he took the infared filter on the alexa out for the arena scene
This is awesome! Can't wait for Dune 2:)
Denis Villeneuve briefly talked about the somewhat risky decision to use what he referred to as IR for filming of the Geidi Prime scenes while he was on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, right around the time of the release in the US.
It looks like most of the infrared scenes are going to be on Giedi Prime, and the Harkkonens are visually based off of insects in Denis' movies (the armor resembles ants and the spice harvesting ships are in the shapes of ticks). Blood sucking insects rely on infrared vision to find food, so using infrared light to film the scene of the Harkkonens, the blood suckers of Dune, participating in gladiator-style blood sport is incredibly evocative and intelligent on Denis' part.
i think its shallow and pedantic
Infrared filming was used to create effect of other planet Giedi Prime with it's own atmosphere, own star and own lighting.
Well if you read the book all of the shots we see in the trailers are on Giedi Prime. So perhaps that is what it looks like when in the sun on Giedi Prime? That would be pretty cool actually.
"I, Cuba" by Calatozov was shot on infrared film.
I have an associates degree in film studies. This is the best science fiction movie that has come out in a long time. I absolutely loved it what a great movie. 👍
Also, shooting in IR requires the focus to be ajusted since IR wavelength is slightly different.
But man, that look!
I had a suspicion, but it was so hd i couldnt tell. Thats wild, i love this movie!
The Baron [2:04] looks the kind of predator we expect to see in nocturnal wildlife documentaries; infr-red both presents us (by association) with creatures of Darkness, and (visually) brings out a worm-like Paleness in the Harkonens.