@@billcutting2681no. Because if he kills his brother,he won't be there for his fiancee and even if what he did was the right thing,his own family might press charges
Amen. Yet, it's sad and disgusting how that's been (and sometimes still is) a generational pattern in some families. Never talk about it, never hold the abuser accountable, just try to rug sweep it to protect the family reputation. I've gotten to see that ish in action first-hand. When I tried to go to my aunt (abusive father's sister) about how said abusive father treated me, she gave me some weak sauce excuse of "That's just how he is". I eventually called her tf out because I know she was once the silenced victim in the family and she had the bold-faced audacity to try and do it to me. Didn't go the way she hoped when I brought that hypocrisy on her part up.
Not justifying the parents but from the sounds of the story the mother did not believe it even happened. Or if it did most likely believed the other son that he was having an 'affair' with his brothers gf rather than what he actually did. Then slowly convinced her husband of the same. I have sadly met plenty of parents who turn a blind eye to their children's wrong actions and stay in denial.
@@user-ix7rj3pc7r Yep, I personally have some shit in my extended family that's more f'ed up than this story. And the parents of the perpetrator also refuse to see what evil their son has done. Even took him in their home after he was released from prison. I think those parents can't face the truth because the truth is that those parents probably had a big part to play in not raising their kid right. They would have to acknowledge their own responsibility in creating a monster.
@mortaldao8044 you are far more likely to be graped than be falsely accused of it. 8 accusers means he did it, end of story. You don't get that many accusations from nowhere. Guy is a grapist.
@@jerichonikolai in addition it's not easy to get someone actually convicted of grape. There have to be evidence, eye witnesses, proves that he was there and then. If he was found guilty on all 8, they must had plenty of papers on him.
Brother must’ve been the golden child. In their attempt to protect one guilty son they lost all their kids so enjoy what’s left of your family. Awful family to even ask that of OP. The older brother was lucky he was alive or not yet in prison.
Not necessary..They must have simply done that to save their reputation because they might be afraid if this news about their eldest leaks out they might be accused for bad parenting(just their thought).....Could have been this☝🏻🤷🏻♀️
The judge probably thought that the brother can be happy to be still alive. Also the sister is a hero and badass in that story. Handling such a dance between opposing sites in the same family is hard.
This reminds me of my dad. My uncle got arrested years ago for molesting (possibly more) his own children. Yet I still remember him always being around growing up, me being alone with him as a kid and never being told about what he did till I got older. I got so mad at my dad that he risked all of our safety for his disgusting brother. There also was a situation not too long ago where my uncle, his new wife (new as in not his original who’s kids he molested). At the wedding they had a little 5 year old girl and apparently their mom disappeared and now they worked with child services to adopt her. They are also the most impulsive liars you will ever meet and my dad still trusts what they say. After the wedding I asked my dad for their address so I can call CPS, I said if they’re actually working with child services, there won’t be a problem, but if they’re not and that little girl is at risk of being touched/roped than I didn’t want to risk it. My dad flat out refused to, and he was the only one in my family still in contact so it took months till we found out where he worked and I called CPS. Luckily the little girl got taken away, but apparently the neighbors had reported seeing him touching the little girl (they didn’t know his history) 😭 I hope she can be safe and heal from that. I can never forgive my dad though.
Asking him to forgive a criminal brother is crazy. What he did was a choice of badness. He doesn’t get a free pass. He tried to SA his fiancee and was caught red handed. Then the parents foolishly supported him. Forgiveness in this case wouldn’t help but being investigated and put on rehab
The thing is - even if OP wanted to forgive his brother, it's not his place to decide whether to forgive him or not. OP's fiancee was the one his brother assaulted so it's ultimately up to her whether or not to forgive and forget. OP shouldn't forgive unless his fiancee does. She's the one that can choose to forgive him or not. Tbh I doubt that he'll be forgiven by OP and his fiancee - I wouldn't forgive him if I were in OP or his fiancee's position.
I disagree, his brother broke OP's trust in him by betraying him with an attempt to SA his bride to be. Breaking that brotherly bond of trust is a separate enough injury that OP's forgiveness should be separate from his fiancee's forgiveness instead of a package deal.
What about the gf's "trust" in OPs brother not to try and s assault her? What about breaking the bond OP mentioned about his gf and his brother being close until his brother attacked her? OPs GF is the victim here, not the brother, not the OP. The ACTUAL victim of SA.
You lost me. Even if op's fiance DID forgive that monster I'd never forgive him absolutely not. Even if the assault wasn't directed to him. Op is still a victim by proxy. His own brother cause him such chaos and trauma that most definitely counts as a victim as well. To live with that monster and to now know how much of a monster he was. That's traumatic.
@raelynm3902 Op is a victim by proxy. He lost a brother and a hero asks found out the horrible truth that his brother is a monster. And to witness him in the act. He didn't even hear it from someone. He WITNESSED the love of his life be sexually assaulted by his own brother. If that's not traumatic I don't know what is. Maybe his being a victim isn't on the same wave length as Op's fiance, but don't cast out his feelings like that! They were BOTH VICTIMS.
@@raelynm3902I don't recall saying that her forgiveness wasn't something that was needed. Just that OP isn't automatically required to forgive his brother if his fiance does. Even if she is a saint and forgives the injury done to her that doesn't mean OP should be required to forgive him 'because he wasn't actually the injured party anyway so its not his decision'. He was an injured party and he shouldn't be obligated to forgive that injury if his fiancee decides to forgive the injury done to her. They both have to separately agree to forgive the guy for him to be let off the hook for his awful actions.
If it’s anything like the “communities” I know, I think the mother just wants to save public shame and would rather sacrifice her son and his fiancée than the family’s reputation. Well now she’s got no sons and a bucketful of community shame to contend with.
Something I like about this story is that the OP thought of his brother doing it to others through reddit itself, and posting was the reason he actually got to avenge the victims and his wife Edit: I mean that the redditors suggested the brother did it to others since the brother attempted to do it under the same roof as the OP and many other family members
The brother sounds like a predator and this was not his first time. The only problem was that he got caught, his not sorry his only sorry he got exposed.
That's why you press charges. For op's gf sake too. Because deep down she might feel op is part of the family that covered up what happened. Have a police file.
not in this case. Rape/Sexual Assault cases have low conviction rates, and since it's his word vs. hers scenario, there is a large chance the brother would've gotten away(especially because the parents would've most likely defended him) while OP would've gone to jail for certain because of the visible evidence of the assault.
@@066kshitizvsingh4 The damn shame of the low conviction rate is because bastard females lie about being sexually assaulted, groomed, or raped. It puts the real victims in a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" scenario.
honestly, the person who originally commented the theory of the brother having a history of s3xually assaulting women deserves an award, because if not for that person, the brother wouldn't have gone to jail, and, maybe worse, op and his fiancé would still be going through the aftermath (or it would've taken a lot longer). but yeah, gg's to that one dude and his comment 👍
I think you'd be happy to know that these types of stories from reddit (this one specifically too) are fake. The theme for these is always "Guy has partner who gets raped, but its by an alien whos actually her father" and then they always cater the rest of the post edits and whatnot to the comments. Its so shitty and its just engagement bait. You'll find these accounts created a while ago with a small amount of posts because they delete all their past attempts of engagement bait when one of them goes viral. The truth is that people who experience this kind of stuff don't post it on reddit for everyone to see. Just some lonely losers faking a very real thing for engagement because thats the only way they get validation.
A drunken kiss attempt I can forgive, put it out of my mind. But this? And then to find out what kind of creep he really is? I can't swear that I wouldn't be in prison for attempted homicide after this.
Considering there have been cases of burglars suing for injury while breaking into somewhere and WINNING in this country? (No idea if this happened in the US, but something tells me probably not) Probably not.
@@archangelspythonsthat depends on the state. Some state throw you to jail for a decade of you say something bad to a woman and others gives fines and one year of prison.
I gotta give OP credit for not knocking out his mother's teeth when she said it's time to forgive him and also at the fact that she's been covering for his brother all this time.
Got a feeling brother decided to so it because she wasn't part of their community, so she was "less" than him To do that right around family leads me to believe mommy and daddy dearest knew, and that brother is a serial offender. EDIT: ffs. Into the woodchipper they go
Family or not: abuse is abuse. That monster doesn’t deserve forgiveness. The fact ops own mother and father are willing to give their wicked son free pass is just disgusting.
If my family did this, I would be disgusted. The memories from something like this never leave you. You are left with them for the rest of your life, and the feeling of his touch on your skin. I hope op and his fiance are doing better now.
I must say, OP was VERY LUCKY, he caught the bastard in the start, before he could do the "act", thus stopping a NTR right there, i can only think in how horrible it could have been if his brother was sucessful.
OP and his fiancée were so brave to overcome this trauma, and it really sucks that OP's family weren't supportive. But massive shoutout to OP's sister, a true and pure-hearted sibling right there.
He tried to rape someone who'd rejected him. Even if it wasn't his brother it was still unbelievably horrible. The Bible preaches forgiveness but even if I could forgive that person would never be part of my life again. He tried to assault her twice, I highly doubt he wouldn't do it again.
about story 1: family is crazy, predators don't usually change (OP's brother is very likely not to). I would be livid if my son tried something like that and he would no longer be considered family.
Sadly a lot of parents doesn't think like that. More common is the same line of thinking for mental illness- "I didn't raise a failure, so they got nothing wrong with them, you are wrong for thinking that" They take it as a offense towards them and how did they raise their child, so denial it is...
In so many of these stories the parents get so caught up trying to protect their Golden Child that in the end they end up losing him and the rest of their children
This happened to my best friend. Full assault though. Everyone called her a liar. Fast forward to other groups females friends saying the exact same stuff about the brother that my friend had accused him of. Brother has gone on to r*pe many more and because his Daddy is rich, he is still walking free. The justice system is a joke.
If this is remotely true & if i had to name someone who is worse than the ropist brother than they are OP's parents tbh i don't even have a senctence to describe them iter than that if i was in op's shoes i would have gone permanent NC with them.
The fiancee's comment about feeling threatened everywhere she went in public was too real, I remember finals were going on at the time so I had to just push through it but man I hated how my skin crawled everywhere I went in those first few months
I would tell my mom that I'll forgive him when my fiance feels safe enough to be around him. When she gets over her trauma. When she can feel safe again. That should shut her up.
@the_weird_girl2042 In theory it does seem reasonable enough. For one, fiance might never get over it, and after it happening twice I don't think she would even want to feel safe around him, so no forgivness Second, it would reinforce that the problem isn't "brother touched something mine" but "He assulted a woman and it's unacceptable" Like, maybe it would be easier to understand for delusional mother, but maybe not
@the_weird_girl2042 if you think so. People are different, I would probably hope that the mother is just confused and there is a way to talk to her senses If family really cares it's hard to cut them off... On the other hand if they did care, then it's hard to believe they would just let this whole story happen so maybe your way is cleaner
Dude, what the hell was the mother and other family members doing? Like, THE HELL! You think four years is enough to forgive someone like that! 1000 Years isn't enough! I'm glad he's going to stay in jail for the rest or his life and hopefully his inmates make it hard on him in there.
As a victim of sa myself, I'm disgusted with the family trying to push him to forgive. I gave my abuser to his face but that was after nearly 2 decades, 10 of which he wasn't part of my life at all, and a LOT of healing. It was on my terms and no one else's. I forgave, let go of the hurt and rage, and moved on.
this reminds me of how i was ass@ulted in my own bed while i was asleep when i was younger and the justice that never happened. My heart goes out to his fiancée/wife and everyone else that sick bastard hurt, its a long road to recovering from such a traumatic experience but when you have the right people in your life it really does help.
My sister and I was SA by our oldest male cousin for yrs from the age 8 to 10. One day me and my sister was playing outside I was playing with my other cousin and the next door neighboor son. I saw my oldest cousin say something in my grandma ear and she called me to get her a pitcher of water. I knew that my cousin will be their waiting for me. So I asked the cousin who I was also playing with. To count to 100 and if I'm not back to come and get me. He asked why and I said please just do it. So I went inside to get the water and their he was waiting for me with his pe*ns in his hand I cried because I knew what he was going to do and I said no please but he said if I did come or say anything he will hurt my sister and plus no one will believe me because I'm my mothers daughter. While he was SA me my cousin finally came and saw and told. The kicker my family brushed it under the rug and act like nothing happen. When my grandma passed away I lft that place amd went to live with my mom. 30 yrs later I find out that the same thing happen to my mother with her brother and they did the same think to her. I did find out that he is in jail for SA his own kid. To this day I do not socialize with that side of my mother family the only time they seen me was when my grandfather passed away in 2006 and I never looked back. After a lot of therapy I found out that the people who can hut you the most is your family while . I hope OP and his fiance are living their best life and not thimking about those Aholes
Comes to a country doesn't want to connect to the natives: we have the same right to live here as anyone else. Yeah, this will bring us all peace and harmony.
I wish I would have spoken or someone would have walked in when it was happening to me but they didn't and it happened for 2 years I was little and it was another girl who was older then me it took me 3 years after it happened to tell my mom and dad it was hard and only 2 of my sisters know who did it I am so glad I was able to forgive them tho even tho it was so hard I did cuz she is my mom's best friends daughter and my sisters best friend and she doesn't remember doing it I really wish I didn't but sadly I do but I can talk with her an stuff but never alone with her and if there's one thing people don't talk about is how it affects you as you get older like I can't have people talking about it at school or at all cuz I start to get mad and sad and I get panic attacks and it's just not good but anyway I thought I would share
I'm sorry your so-called "parents" are pressuring you to forgive your brother who abused your fiancee in their own home. I know parents don't want to believe the worst about their children, but the truth is the truth and forcing you to "forgive and forget" won't change it. It also makes it more likely that your brother will do it again to someone else because he got away with it.
This is probably the greatest Reddit husband I've ever read about. He's normal. He's there for his wife. He has a normal human reaction to such a terrible monster. I love him and I hope for the best for this couple to heal together and have a nice life
My position is that a wrong against me I can forgive. Typically I will forgive because it is a burden for me as well as for the person who wronged me. It is mine to forgive. A wrong against somebody I love I cannot forgive. Never. Even if the wronged loved one forgives them I simply cannot. It is not mine to forgive. OP's mom is asking the wrong person for forgiveness. She should be begging the girl(s) he assaulted. Obviously that is just too far beyond the pale.
I don't mean this as terrible as it may sound, but it's kind if a relief that my family isn't the only f****d up family that would protect people like that. It is all my extended family and some of them are passed on now but i was 9 years old when my Uncle was sent to Prison for being a "rock spider" (Aussie slang for a pedophile) I had been close with that Uncle but my Mom always made sure I WAS NEVER ALONE WITH HIM. This Uncle had abused their younger sister and My Mom was the 1 who caught it happening and he said he would only stop "hurting her if my Mom slept with him" my Mom was 17 and he was in his mid 20s and he had been abusing their very young sister who was 9 at the time it all came out. My GRANDPARENTS DEFENDED HIM. He went to Prison not for this but for abusing his Gurlfriends teenage daughter..... and the Gurlfriend knew and let it happen until the School got involved and the Mom turned it all around and claimed she never knew......... though she had enabled and later learned she had been part of it? Never really knew if she had been involved. My Grandparents defended him cos he was my Grandma's fave since her pregnancy was very difficult with this Uncle. My grandpa Defended him cos he was no better... cos about 10 years before my Grandpa had a CONSENSUAL ADULT LIKE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS OTHER OLDER DAUGHTER. So My Grandpa knew that he and his 1st born song were alike....... My Mom and only 2 others of her 12siblings in total did not get abused at least in that way. I will clarify this UNCLE NEVER DID ANYTHING TO ME but it shattered my ideal of men for a long time and did start to make me have to face the fact I had been abused by a different Uncle from my Mom's Family. Family seriously sucks so bad sometimes. I feel so terrible thus man and his fiancee went thru all of this but I admire how strong they became together in it. Maybe I am bitter from my own family issues. But I do know this is not how families or just people should act and be. And scumbags shouldn't be protected in this stuff simply because they are "family". And I admit because of what happened to me and how twisted and screwed up my Mom's family is, it really destroyed me as a person for a lot of years of my life. Thank goodness bot all families or people are this screwed up and there is always hope in moving on and breaking cycles. This story breaks my heart cos I relate in ways, but I am so glad this Guy did was right even though it was his brother. Sometimes blood isn't thicker then water.
IF… and that’s an extremely gigantic IF you AND your fiancé ever decide to forgive your brother (and parents at this point) it can ONLY EVER be on your time. Your brother is a pervert and a predator who doesn’t deserve forgiveness. He’s never even apologized for his disgusting behavior. Your mother is obviously favoring your undeserving brother. Pathetic! The best thing you can do is being respectful and supportive of your fiancé and sister. My mother stuck up for my brother to once she found out that he had molested me when I was a child (he was 5 1/2 years older than me). This doesn’t surprise me. 😢
I was visibly HAPPY when I heard that the creature pretending to be a brother was sentenced to life in prison. But srsly, EIGHT TIMES, that thing has ZERO self control
the part where the brother is convicted of 8 charges and has a life imprisonment sentence is kinda suspicious, of course i don't know if it's real or the details of his case but i'd guess it wouldn't go down like that in court, it would be believable if he said like 3 or 4 charges and like 20 years sentence...
If I could speak, I'd say "oh well, I guess you and dad would also expect sis to forgive if it were to happen to her. Hold on. What if dad expect you to forgive in your own case?! Wow! Between family against morality and common sense, I choose morality. Bye a--holes~!"
I think I can understand the parents because I watched this type of behaviour (Here in a 3rd world country, I dunno if it happens the same in USA) when their children got caught... It doesn't matter if it's SA, thief or unalaving people, they always says that their did nothing wrong, THEY ARE INNOCENT. They can't get that they raised a failure of human being and all the victims he/she left. The parents see their child as a poor baby who made a mistake, go %100 denial and keep it even after the trial. I hope OP never talks to them again.
Op is a amazing guy n I'm so happy he defended his gf like he did. How dare they ask you to forgive. That's just down right repulsive. NC is the best choice
I'm honestly not surprised that this isn't the first time the brother tried to rape someone but op's family are insane to expect op and his fiance to forgive using 'he's family' card on them, well after the court case and hearing from the many victums he's hurt they'll hopefully think twice before they try pulling that sh*t again.
Some parents will completely overlook the transgressions of their children, because they believe none of that matters. But unfortunately it does matter, and we all have to face accountability for our wrongdoings. In this case, didn't sound like older brother was remorseful at all and that he's entitled to forcing himself onto women. He's where he belongs now.
My response to the mom wanting forgiveness is “my forgiveness is that he got to live that day, no more than that”
Forgiveness is not a free pass
Hard agree. "Is he breathing? Then there is my forgiveness, do not dare ask more of me than that."
@@ESPHMacD "I can always resend that forgiveness if you'd like"
And that's more forgiveness than he deserves
@@ESPHMacD "My forgiveness is that he is here instead of a cage."
How is his brother even alive, I feel like the betrayal of your own brother doing that rather than a stranger would make me see red.
Damn, his family stopped him
"8 women" ie ambulance chasing / regret snuggle
Because he is a coward, who comes to Reddit and makes a story instead of a well crafted plan, when he knows where the guy lives, and who he is
@@billcutting2681no. Because if he kills his brother,he won't be there for his fiancee and even if what he did was the right thing,his own family might press charges
i mean op did say he beat the shit out of him, if he does anymore, he will be arrested and his gf will be alone
YOU SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO RECONCILE WITH ABUSERS. FAMILY OR NOT
Amen. Yet, it's sad and disgusting how that's been (and sometimes still is) a generational pattern in some families. Never talk about it, never hold the abuser accountable, just try to rug sweep it to protect the family reputation. I've gotten to see that ish in action first-hand. When I tried to go to my aunt (abusive father's sister) about how said abusive father treated me, she gave me some weak sauce excuse of "That's just how he is". I eventually called her tf out because I know she was once the silenced victim in the family and she had the bold-faced audacity to try and do it to me. Didn't go the way she hoped when I brought that hypocrisy on her part up.
this!!!!
The fact the parents defended the brother really shows some family doesn’t deserve the gathering they think they’re saving in their final moments.
Not justifying the parents but from the sounds of the story the mother did not believe it even happened. Or if it did most likely believed the other son that he was having an 'affair' with his brothers gf rather than what he actually did.
Then slowly convinced her husband of the same.
I have sadly met plenty of parents who turn a blind eye to their children's wrong actions and stay in denial.
@@user-ix7rj3pc7r Yep, I personally have some shit in my extended family that's more f'ed up than this story. And the parents of the perpetrator also refuse to see what evil their son has done. Even took him in their home after he was released from prison.
I think those parents can't face the truth because the truth is that those parents probably had a big part to play in not raising their kid right. They would have to acknowledge their own responsibility in creating a monster.
he probably manipulated them, shove money into their ass during covid, used his kid aslo for manipulation
If it's true, it's insane how redditor's commenymade them look into his history and actually get him convinced. Rare justice
We all know those 8 others are all lying
@@mortaldao8044 why are you like this?
@@verakrot"We all know those 8 others are all lying."
Op: 8 victims, including my fiance.
Hold on, he might be on to something.
@mortaldao8044 you are far more likely to be graped than be falsely accused of it. 8 accusers means he did it, end of story. You don't get that many accusations from nowhere. Guy is a grapist.
@@jerichonikolai in addition it's not easy to get someone actually convicted of grape. There have to be evidence, eye witnesses, proves that he was there and then. If he was found guilty on all 8, they must had plenty of papers on him.
The people who insist victims forgive their attackers are the ones who scream the loudest when THEY become victims.
I wonder how those ugly parents would feel if forced to take in a bunch of crooks because they "have nowhere to go"...
Brother must’ve been the golden child. In their attempt to protect one guilty son they lost all their kids so enjoy what’s left of your family. Awful family to even ask that of OP. The older brother was lucky he was alive or not yet in prison.
He doesn't have to be a golden child. Parents often have blinders on when confronted with monstrous things their kids do.
That's not necessarily true ...
Not necessary..They must have simply done that to save their reputation because they might be afraid if this news about their eldest leaks out they might be accused for bad parenting(just their thought).....Could have been this☝🏻🤷🏻♀️
His brother is a monster, but op is with no doubt a good man. Happy to know that all victims got justice.
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The brother's life in prison will probably turn into a death sentence if the inmates find out why he's in there
The justice was too late imo
The judge probably thought that the brother can be happy to be still alive.
Also the sister is a hero and badass in that story. Handling such a dance between opposing sites in the same family is hard.
This reminds me of my dad. My uncle got arrested years ago for molesting (possibly more) his own children. Yet I still remember him always being around growing up, me being alone with him as a kid and never being told about what he did till I got older. I got so mad at my dad that he risked all of our safety for his disgusting brother.
There also was a situation not too long ago where my uncle, his new wife (new as in not his original who’s kids he molested). At the wedding they had a little 5 year old girl and apparently their mom disappeared and now they worked with child services to adopt her. They are also the most impulsive liars you will ever meet and my dad still trusts what they say. After the wedding I asked my dad for their address so I can call CPS, I said if they’re actually working with child services, there won’t be a problem, but if they’re not and that little girl is at risk of being touched/roped than I didn’t want to risk it. My dad flat out refused to, and he was the only one in my family still in contact so it took months till we found out where he worked and I called CPS.
Luckily the little girl got taken away, but apparently the neighbors had reported seeing him touching the little girl (they didn’t know his history) 😭 I hope she can be safe and heal from that. I can never forgive my dad though.
Also, when I told my dad I had called CPS on them he said “I knew you wanted to tear that family apart”.
That’s horrible. Thank you for trying to save that little girl.
Dude I'm so sorry he's your dad
@@anubishound8179 ya, I love my mom but I don’t go home very often 😅
@@deztheray8935bro that’s downright insane, I’m sorry but what is wrong with your dad coz that’s just nasty 😭
Asking him to forgive a criminal brother is crazy. What he did was a choice of badness. He doesn’t get a free pass. He tried to SA his fiancee and was caught red handed. Then the parents foolishly supported him. Forgiveness in this case wouldn’t help but being investigated and put on rehab
Rehab => *Prison
The thing is - even if OP wanted to forgive his brother, it's not his place to decide whether to forgive him or not. OP's fiancee was the one his brother assaulted so it's ultimately up to her whether or not to forgive and forget. OP shouldn't forgive unless his fiancee does. She's the one that can choose to forgive him or not. Tbh I doubt that he'll be forgiven by OP and his fiancee - I wouldn't forgive him if I were in OP or his fiancee's position.
I disagree, his brother broke OP's trust in him by betraying him with an attempt to SA his bride to be. Breaking that brotherly bond of trust is a separate enough injury that OP's forgiveness should be separate from his fiancee's forgiveness instead of a package deal.
What about the gf's "trust" in OPs brother not to try and s assault her? What about breaking the bond OP mentioned about his gf and his brother being close until his brother attacked her? OPs GF is the victim here, not the brother, not the OP. The ACTUAL victim of SA.
You lost me. Even if op's fiance DID forgive that monster I'd never forgive him absolutely not. Even if the assault wasn't directed to him. Op is still a victim by proxy. His own brother cause him such chaos and trauma that most definitely counts as a victim as well. To live with that monster and to now know how much of a monster he was. That's traumatic.
@raelynm3902 Op is a victim by proxy. He lost a brother and a hero asks found out the horrible truth that his brother is a monster. And to witness him in the act. He didn't even hear it from someone. He WITNESSED the love of his life be sexually assaulted by his own brother. If that's not traumatic I don't know what is. Maybe his being a victim isn't on the same wave length as Op's fiance, but don't cast out his feelings like that! They were BOTH VICTIMS.
@@raelynm3902I don't recall saying that her forgiveness wasn't something that was needed. Just that OP isn't automatically required to forgive his brother if his fiance does. Even if she is a saint and forgives the injury done to her that doesn't mean OP should be required to forgive him 'because he wasn't actually the injured party anyway so its not his decision'. He was an injured party and he shouldn't be obligated to forgive that injury if his fiancee decides to forgive the injury done to her. They both have to separately agree to forgive the guy for him to be let off the hook for his awful actions.
If it’s anything like the “communities” I know, I think the mother just wants to save public shame and would rather sacrifice her son and his fiancée than the family’s reputation. Well now she’s got no sons and a bucketful of community shame to contend with.
What an awful family (The people supporting the brother)
golden child
Something I like about this story is that the OP thought of his brother doing it to others through reddit itself, and posting was the reason he actually got to avenge the victims and his wife
Edit: I mean that the redditors suggested the brother did it to others since the brother attempted to do it under the same roof as the OP and many other family members
Thank god for the people who were smart enough to recognize that.
The brother sounds like a predator and this was not his first time.
The only problem was that he got caught, his not sorry his only sorry he got exposed.
How the brother is free
He should be rotting in jail
are you referring tthe first mentioned in the post? the OP had already addressed that
He isn’t lol
That's why you press charges. For op's gf sake too. Because deep down she might feel op is part of the family that covered up what happened. Have a police file.
Op's lawyer is right. There was no evidence of what the brother did, but there is obvious evidence of what he did
not in this case. Rape/Sexual Assault cases have low conviction rates, and since it's his word vs. hers scenario, there is a large chance the brother would've gotten away(especially because the parents would've most likely defended him) while OP would've gone to jail for certain because of the visible evidence of the assault.
@@066kshitizvsingh4 The damn shame of the low conviction rate is because bastard females lie about being sexually assaulted, groomed, or raped. It puts the real victims in a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" scenario.
Brother would never make it out of town if that was my fiancee..
Forget out of town, he wouldn't have made it out of the house
@@sharkeatinpizza Forget the house, bro wouldn't make it out of his room.
@@ariaslackOr the bed
honestly, the person who originally commented the theory of the brother having a history of s3xually assaulting women deserves an award, because if not for that person, the brother wouldn't have gone to jail, and, maybe worse, op and his fiancé would still be going through the aftermath (or it would've taken a lot longer). but yeah, gg's to that one dude and his comment 👍
I think you'd be happy to know that these types of stories from reddit (this one specifically too) are fake. The theme for these is always "Guy has partner who gets raped, but its by an alien whos actually her father" and then they always cater the rest of the post edits and whatnot to the comments. Its so shitty and its just engagement bait. You'll find these accounts created a while ago with a small amount of posts because they delete all their past attempts of engagement bait when one of them goes viral.
The truth is that people who experience this kind of stuff don't post it on reddit for everyone to see. Just some lonely losers faking a very real thing for engagement because thats the only way they get validation.
A drunken kiss attempt I can forgive, put it out of my mind. But this? And then to find out what kind of creep he really is? I can't swear that I wouldn't be in prison for attempted homicide after this.
Would OP's mom deny what her son did if he had done what he did to a kid?
Probably
as long as that son of hers gave her grandbabies
I heard about similar cases before, the family usually tries to cover it up. It doesn't matter to them even if it's a child
She wouldn’t be so forgiving if he’d done it to his own sister
yeppppp
That lawyer friend is an idiot, there is no way he would be arrested for acting to prevent a rape.
Considering there have been cases of burglars suing for injury while breaking into somewhere and WINNING in this country? (No idea if this happened in the US, but something tells me probably not)
Probably not.
@@SwiftGale1 well, he tried to bring his brother down with him, and the judge told him to sit down and shut up
Because there were 8 victims and his injuries were no longer there.
I'm pretty sure this was in a different country besides the U.S and some countries (Japan for example) really couldn't care less about S.A
@@archangelspythonsthat depends on the state. Some state throw you to jail for a decade of you say something bad to a woman and others gives fines and one year of prison.
I gotta give OP credit for not knocking out his mother's teeth when she said it's time to forgive him and also at the fact that she's been covering for his brother all this time.
Ikr
Got a feeling brother decided to so it because she wasn't part of their community, so she was "less" than him
To do that right around family leads me to believe mommy and daddy dearest knew, and that brother is a serial offender.
EDIT: ffs. Into the woodchipper they go
Yes and amber turd never lied about Johnny Depp. Those 8 others all exaggerated. At worst it was regret snuggling after drinking
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Depends on if the other victims were the same. I think he is more an opportunistic criminal than anything else.
Hmm the brother running from the cops shows he did do something shady
That’s insane. To think that 8 peoples lives are completely changed and affected because of 1 man is insane
"Why doesn't our son see us anymore?"
Just wait. They'll pull that some day. Smfh
Family or not: abuse is abuse. That monster doesn’t deserve forgiveness. The fact ops own mother and father are willing to give their wicked son free pass is just disgusting.
If my family did this, I would be disgusted. The memories from something like this never leave you. You are left with them for the rest of your life, and the feeling of his touch on your skin. I hope op and his fiance are doing better now.
I must say, OP was VERY LUCKY, he caught the bastard in the start, before he could do the "act", thus stopping a NTR right there, i can only think in how horrible it could have been if his brother was sucessful.
OP and his fiancée were so brave to overcome this trauma, and it really sucks that OP's family weren't supportive. But massive shoutout to OP's sister, a true and pure-hearted sibling right there.
Imagine the mom didn't force OP to reconcile with his brother, that guy might have escaped the consequences. Props to mom!
He tried to rape someone who'd rejected him. Even if it wasn't his brother it was still unbelievably horrible. The Bible preaches forgiveness but even if I could forgive that person would never be part of my life again. He tried to assault her twice, I highly doubt he wouldn't do it again.
It preqches forgivness yes but alao that some crimes are beyond forgivness
W judge
W for the Judge
Jackass was bold enough to do this in a house full of people. The audacity and horror.
If OP's parents did know about this, then they could be charges as accomplices to his brother.
about story 1: family is crazy, predators don't usually change (OP's brother is very likely not to). I would be livid if my son tried something like that and he would no longer be considered family.
Sadly a lot of parents doesn't think like that. More common is the same line of thinking for mental illness-
"I didn't raise a failure, so they got nothing wrong with them, you are wrong for thinking that"
They take it as a offense towards them and how did they raise their child, so denial it is...
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In so many of these stories the parents get so caught up trying to protect their Golden Child that in the end they end up losing him and the rest of their children
This happened to my best friend. Full assault though. Everyone called her a liar. Fast forward to other groups females friends saying the exact same stuff about the brother that my friend had accused him of. Brother has gone on to r*pe many more and because his Daddy is rich, he is still walking free. The justice system is a joke.
If this is remotely true & if i had to name someone who is worse than the ropist brother than they are OP's parents tbh i don't even have a senctence to describe them iter than that if i was in op's shoes i would have gone permanent NC with them.
OP should say "you want forgiveness? Get religion"
Which religion? I think that is the issue…
@@woocashwombat3897 it's a quote from Spider-man 3
It's implying that you'll only get forgiveness from religion
@@woocashwombat3897Christianity.
I really wonder how much the parents knew about the brother
The fiancee's comment about feeling threatened everywhere she went in public was too real, I remember finals were going on at the time so I had to just push through it but man I hated how my skin crawled everywhere I went in those first few months
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I would tell my mom that I'll forgive him when my fiance feels safe enough to be around him. When she gets over her trauma. When she can feel safe again. That should shut her up.
@the_weird_girl2042 In theory it does seem reasonable enough. For one, fiance might never get over it, and after it happening twice I don't think she would even want to feel safe around him, so no forgivness
Second, it would reinforce that the problem isn't "brother touched something mine" but "He assulted a woman and it's unacceptable"
Like, maybe it would be easier to understand for delusional mother, but maybe not
@the_weird_girl2042 if you think so. People are different, I would probably hope that the mother is just confused and there is a way to talk to her senses
If family really cares it's hard to cut them off... On the other hand if they did care, then it's hard to believe they would just let this whole story happen so maybe your way is cleaner
You're far too nice, your brother should be in prison, he is a danger to all women not only your fiancee
Well, in the end, OOP said his brother was going to prison for the rest of his life, so...
Dude, what the hell was the mother and other family members doing? Like, THE HELL! You think four years is enough to forgive someone like that! 1000 Years isn't enough! I'm glad he's going to stay in jail for the rest or his life and hopefully his inmates make it hard on him in there.
As a victim of sa myself, I'm disgusted with the family trying to push him to forgive. I gave my abuser to his face but that was after nearly 2 decades, 10 of which he wasn't part of my life at all, and a LOT of healing. It was on my terms and no one else's. I forgave, let go of the hurt and rage, and moved on.
Op gave his brother hell and if Op's brother is in jail the inmates will give it to him roping doesn't fly in prison
Jesus Christ. What an absolute nightmare. Thank GOD that monster is behind bars.
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Only if the kids are 6-8, which is very weird because they shouldn’t be on internet.
@@aspiraal Agreed
NTA you invite whoever you want to
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this reminds me of how i was ass@ulted in my own bed while i was asleep when i was younger and the justice that never happened. My heart goes out to his fiancée/wife and everyone else that sick bastard hurt, its a long road to recovering from such a traumatic experience but when you have the right people in your life it really does help.
I'm so sorry that had happened. I wish the best for you, and justice to be held against the attacker.
Trust isn't something that can easily be repaired. That's why the poster from the first story isn't talking with his brother.
It's horrifying to expect this from parents & brother....
Bro ruined the brothers life and sent him to prison forever 😂😂😂
he ruined his own life
Crazy that he was put away forever for rape, America court system makes that basically impossible
This story is horrible but I’m happy it has a kinda happy ending
Also W Sister through all this
i agree with op 4 years is not enought time.
My brother would not be alive for long.
Wtf is that family crazy
OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. NOOOOOOO. bro would not be in the hospital,if it were me he would be in his GRAVE
Sorry but for anyone wanting someone to forgive their attacker's and trying to force it. I'd go no contact and side with my partner
The parent’s reaction makes me think that this wasn’t the first time that this had happened.
Post Update- Called it!
My sister and I was SA by our oldest male cousin for yrs from the age 8 to 10. One day me and my sister was playing outside I was playing with my other cousin and the next door neighboor son. I saw my oldest cousin say something in my grandma ear and she called me to get her a pitcher of water. I knew that my cousin will be their waiting for me. So I asked the cousin who I was also playing with. To count to 100 and if I'm not back to come and get me. He asked why and I said please just do it. So I went inside to get the water and their he was waiting for me with his pe*ns in his hand I cried because I knew what he was going to do and I said no please but he said if I did come or say anything he will hurt my sister and plus no one will believe me because I'm my mothers daughter. While he was SA me my cousin finally came and saw and told. The kicker my family brushed it under the rug and act like nothing happen. When my grandma passed away I lft that place amd went to live with my mom. 30 yrs later I find out that the same thing happen to my mother with her brother and they did the same think to her. I did find out that he is in jail for SA his own kid. To this day I do not socialize with that side of my mother family the only time they seen me was when my grandfather passed away in 2006 and I never looked back. After a lot of therapy I found out that the people who can hut you the most is your family while . I hope OP and his fiance are living their best life and not thimking about those Aholes
Comes to a country doesn't want to connect to the natives: we have the same right to live here as anyone else.
Yeah, this will bring us all peace and harmony.
Just one thing how tf does he remember when he was so"drunk"
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OP: “It sounds racist but it’s not”
Me: Ummm Yes…Yes It Is Racist🤨 Like Huh???
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You want forgiveness get religion
broh if that is my brother, he wont be alive now and I would be jailed.
btuh ot sngered TellTales so bad that an opinion was given on the story, thats how you know this situation is so fucked
I love how the first three words of this all had a letter wrong but it freaked my brain out for a moment. But also so true yeah.
I don't think he would've gotten into too much trouble. He was stopping an attacker. I would hope they wouldn't bring a case against him.
I wish I would have spoken or someone would have walked in when it was happening to me but they didn't and it happened for 2 years I was little and it was another girl who was older then me it took me 3 years after it happened to tell my mom and dad it was hard and only 2 of my sisters know who did it I am so glad I was able to forgive them tho even tho it was so hard I did cuz she is my mom's best friends daughter and my sisters best friend and she doesn't remember doing it I really wish I didn't but sadly I do but I can talk with her an stuff but never alone with her and if there's one thing people don't talk about is how it affects you as you get older like I can't have people talking about it at school or at all cuz I start to get mad and sad and I get panic attacks and it's just not good but anyway I thought I would share
Aww u poor soul
I hope u have fully recovered from ur trauma u deserve so much better
God bless you 🩷✝️
@@YourLocalStranger1288 thank you
I'm sorry your so-called "parents" are pressuring you to forgive your brother who abused your fiancee in their own home. I know parents don't want to believe the worst about their children, but the truth is the truth and forcing you to "forgive and forget" won't change it. It also makes it more likely that your brother will do it again to someone else because he got away with it.
This is probably the greatest Reddit husband I've ever read about. He's normal. He's there for his wife. He has a normal human reaction to such a terrible monster. I love him and I hope for the best for this couple to heal together and have a nice life
Stop keeping her as fiancée. Marry her! Make her your wife!
I don't believe a word of this. No cops called, I don't give two craps if that's a stranger/brother..were filing a police report.
People like you are literally the problem
Not everyone reacts exactly as you would, that doesn't make it a lie
My position is that a wrong against me I can forgive. Typically I will forgive because it is a burden for me as well as for the person who wronged me. It is mine to forgive.
A wrong against somebody I love I cannot forgive. Never. Even if the wronged loved one forgives them I simply cannot. It is not mine to forgive.
OP's mom is asking the wrong person for forgiveness. She should be begging the girl(s) he assaulted.
Obviously that is just too far beyond the pale.
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The parents were so happy to ‘keep the peace,’ op I would’ve been in jail
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I don't mean this as terrible as it may sound, but it's kind if a relief that my family isn't the only f****d up family that would protect people like that.
It is all my extended family and some of them are passed on now but i was 9 years old when my Uncle was sent to Prison for being a "rock spider" (Aussie slang for a pedophile)
I had been close with that Uncle but my Mom always made sure I WAS NEVER ALONE WITH HIM. This Uncle had abused their younger sister and My Mom was the 1 who caught it happening and he said he would only stop "hurting her if my Mom slept with him" my Mom was 17 and he was in his mid 20s and he had been abusing their very young sister who was 9 at the time it all came out.
My GRANDPARENTS DEFENDED HIM. He went to Prison not for this but for abusing his Gurlfriends teenage daughter..... and the Gurlfriend knew and let it happen until the School got involved and the Mom turned it all around and claimed she never knew......... though she had enabled and later learned she had been part of it? Never really knew if she had been involved.
My Grandparents defended him cos he was my Grandma's fave since her pregnancy was very difficult with this Uncle. My grandpa Defended him cos he was no better... cos about 10 years before my Grandpa had a CONSENSUAL ADULT LIKE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS OTHER OLDER DAUGHTER. So My Grandpa knew that he and his 1st born song were alike....... My Mom and only 2 others of her 12siblings in total did not get abused at least in that way.
I will clarify this UNCLE NEVER DID ANYTHING TO ME but it shattered my ideal of men for a long time and did start to make me have to face the fact I had been abused by a different Uncle from my Mom's Family.
Family seriously sucks so bad sometimes. I feel so terrible thus man and his fiancee went thru all of this but I admire how strong they became together in it.
Maybe I am bitter from my own family issues. But I do know this is not how families or just people should act and be. And scumbags shouldn't be protected in this stuff simply because they are "family".
And I admit because of what happened to me and how twisted and screwed up my Mom's family is, it really destroyed me as a person for a lot of years of my life.
Thank goodness bot all families or people are this screwed up and there is always hope in moving on and breaking cycles.
This story breaks my heart cos I relate in ways, but I am so glad this Guy did was right even though it was his brother. Sometimes blood isn't thicker then water.
I can only imagine how peaceful the wedding would be with a monster in jail and no one around who supported him
IF… and that’s an extremely gigantic IF you AND your fiancé ever decide to forgive your brother (and parents at this point) it can ONLY EVER be on your time. Your brother is a pervert and a predator who doesn’t deserve forgiveness. He’s never even apologized for his disgusting behavior. Your mother is obviously favoring your undeserving brother. Pathetic!
The best thing you can do is being respectful and supportive of your fiancé and sister.
My mother stuck up for my brother to once she found out that he had molested me when I was a child (he was 5 1/2 years older than me). This doesn’t surprise me. 😢
I was visibly HAPPY when I heard that the creature pretending to be a brother was sentenced to life in prison. But srsly, EIGHT TIMES, that thing has ZERO self control
the part where the brother is convicted of 8 charges and has a life imprisonment sentence is kinda suspicious, of course i don't know if it's real or the details of his case but i'd guess it wouldn't go down like that in court, it would be believable if he said like 3 or 4 charges and like 20 years sentence...
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If I could speak, I'd say "oh well, I guess you and dad would also expect sis to forgive if it were to happen to her. Hold on. What if dad expect you to forgive in your own case?! Wow! Between family against morality and common sense, I choose morality. Bye a--holes~!"
I think I can understand the parents because I watched this type of behaviour (Here in a 3rd world country, I dunno if it happens the same in USA) when their children got caught... It doesn't matter if it's SA, thief or unalaving people, they always says that their did nothing wrong, THEY ARE INNOCENT. They can't get that they raised a failure of human being and all the victims he/she left.
The parents see their child as a poor baby who made a mistake, go %100 denial and keep it even after the trial. I hope OP never talks to them again.
what the fuck? run away from your family
So like, I would be questionin how many of my family members have committed rapes, based on how casually they seem to consider the action lol
Op is a amazing guy n I'm so happy he defended his gf like he did. How dare they ask you to forgive. That's just down right repulsive. NC is the best choice
I'm honestly not surprised that this isn't the first time the brother tried to rape someone but op's family are insane to expect op and his fiance to forgive using 'he's family' card on them, well after the court case and hearing from the many victums he's hurt they'll hopefully think twice before they try pulling that sh*t again.
Some parents will completely overlook the transgressions of their children, because they believe none of that matters. But unfortunately it does matter, and we all have to face accountability for our wrongdoings.
In this case, didn't sound like older brother was remorseful at all and that he's entitled to forcing himself onto women. He's where he belongs now.
"He was not itimidated by the local children"
*DAMN BRO TF DID THE CHILDREN DO TO YOU?*