Why I Chose a DCT Over a Manual on Both of My M4's
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2020
- In today's video, I explain why I chose a DCT over a manual on both of my BMW M4's! I suspect this video will be fairly controversial and a lot of die hard manual fan boys probably won't want to agree with me, but that's fair. Again all of what I say in this video is just my personal opinion so don't take it as an insult lol! I hope you guys enjoyed, and as always if you could go ahead and give me a thumbs up on this video as well as subscribe, I would appreciate it!
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Six speed owner here... DCT is definitely faster and the obvious choice for city daily duties but, ya gotta admit, the six speed console looks so proper;)
It most definitely does look proper in the console 😎
It's his car, so let him choose the transmission he prefers, at the end of the day if u only love manuals remember it's his car not yours 🤙
Totally with you on the versatility of the DCT on my F82. I swear the car has so many personalities depending how you use the DCT and engine settings. Calm as a kitten in the city or parking lot to shifting instantly with great power when needed. Love it!!
Couldnt agree more, that's why I love it in mine too!
Manual f80 M3 checking in 🙋♂️ You can disable auto rev match in any mode by the way, not just traction off. You’re right about the rubbery feeling though, even my old Sti felt better rowing gears
Oh i wasn’t aware that you could disable it! Thank you for the correction, & i appreciate you watching the video 🤙🏼
@@SimplyCarThings how to disable?
@@marlborom2c829 You have to code it out, or use bootmod3 it has a really easy option to control rev match on/off for any mode you want
I’ve owned 2 manual M3’s and a dual clutch M2 and I’ll go out on a limb and say that whoever claims the manual is better, has probably never driven a dual clutch. DCT>Manual.
I test drove the dct first and still ended up picking the manual m4. The m4 simply wouldn’t be special to me if it didn’t come with a manual.
@@LegendInThaMakin I can respect that. My current car (F80) is a manual too. He makes good points though, some of which are more than just opinion, and having owned both, I gotta agree with him. With that being said, we’re all going to be begging for manuals again once all these cars start having 10 speed automatics and all this other silly shit car manufacturers are implementing for better fuel economy.
Good point. I remember Jonny Lieberman in one of the Motortrend BMW videos said the BMW manual felt too outdated compared to the DCT.
While my M2 is DCT though sometimes I do wish I got a manual car. If I do get a manual car as a second car though it’ll probably be from another brand that makes a better manual.
I have an M4 with DCT also and you make some great points, most important one being personal preference. I also think it’s an underrated point that these were made for DCT, and I’m sad to seem them go in G8x generation. I love manuals as well, but I’m tired of the ‘not a real enthusiast spec’ when the manual isn’t even that great in these.
Most definitely at the end of the day it's all about what YOU want, and what YOU will enjoy! And i completely agree with you haha
Love your content man
really appreciate that my guy! 🙏
I bought a new M240i and opted for the ZF8 for the same reasons! Not missing a manual one bit, because I just had it in my previous vehicle the last 8 years!🙂
Another banger bro love the energy 🤙🏼
Appreciate it my guy! glad you enjoyed the video
I think a lot folks really do not understand how great the DCT in F8xs are, I would put a close second or third to Porsche's PDK. It is really that good I was very surprised and continue to be.
In complete agreement with you on this, after driving numerous exotic supercars the dual clutches in those vehicles never felt any better than what's in this car. Aside from PDK i'd say
I drive a m2c manual, but I am totally agree with everything you said. DCT and manual all have there own advantage, you will be most likely to compromise if this is the only car you have. I chose the fun over the speed, but honestly if I can afford 2 sport cars at same time and one of them has to be a M, the M car must be the DCT and I can get better manual fun on a BRZ, Miata or Cayman. like you said, the bmw manual is so rubbery. I installed a CAE short shifter to fix that, it shifts so much greater but I get so much cabin noise, for long distance driving, it drones my ears.
I would prefer a manual Omar but at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference and that is all that matters 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
100% bro, thanks for watching!
I had a choice between a 335is with DCT and a e92xi manual.
I went with the e92xi.
That was before I found out the 335is was very limited
But I'm just glad to have a manual 3 series.
After owning two 6MT M4's (2016 base & 2018 Comp), I just purchased a 2020 Comp DCT (same color combo as in the video) and it's a night and day difference regarding performance! I'm a die-hard manual fanatic, but the DCT is incredible and is best suited for the S55 in the F8x honestly. I'm currently looking to Honda or even Nissan (400Z) for my manual fix.
I had originally considered the G80 M3 6MT to add to the stable, but it's way too expensive, heavy any ugly for my taste. Maybe I'll pick one up used in a few years.
Spot on! I'm looking for a dct m4 and still have my manual E92 M3 for the itch to row gears 😁
@@micraw714 a manual E92 M3 is DEFINITELY the way to go!! And NOTHING beats that sound! I think I might consider going that route myself, just have to make sure the bearings have been serviced
@@rlarocque0214 oh absolutely, they're a blast to own! Between the sound and driver connection, they're hard to beat 😊 I went with ACL bearings and Carillo bolts on mine for peace of mind and it ran me about $2600 in parts and labor but totally worth it 👌
💯 agree with everything, it’s the fun of a stick with the ease and convenience of an automatic and very well implemented on this platform
Very well said man! 👌🏼
Love my F82 Comp DCT.
When you go to the track do you manually change the gears or do you let the car works itself?
Keep up the great work on the videos! Thanks
Have you driven an e9x m3 in dct? If so were the shifts more harder then the f82 m4? I heard that the e92 m3 shift harder then the m4. I have an e92 m3 and it litterly breaks the tires loose 1rst -3rd gear and I have to be careful on turns.
Fully agree, great explain video, thanks. Looking forward to your first track day with this M4! Do you plan to do some mods first, or drive it on the track as it is right now, and then throw on some mods along the way?
Cheers buddy
I have a manual 1JZ G35 and I’d prefer a DCT F8x if I were to buy one... I cannot explain why I like the DCT more but like you said “personal” lol don’t matter what anyone else thinks
It is a shame that new m4s don't come with a DCT
this is so true, the DCT makes these cars feel so special and i cant help but think that the ZF8 is going to water down the experience of the G8X
The DCT weighed 99 pounds heavier than the manual option. I can see why they got rid of it. The ZF 8 speed is awesome thoufh
@@JiuJitsuM4 weight wasn’t why they got rid of it though. It was a cost reduction measure due to ease of compatibility given the fact the G8X will share the modular xDrive systems with the M5/M8
@@14nightwolves exactly, kind of how the last gen M5 had a DCT but not the new M5. Weight is a factor but not the most important factor. The car is heavy anyway
@@JiuJitsuM4 That’s very true, I definitely agree 👌🏼
Yea i've been driving stick all my life, and am just over it, i get tired driving them in traffic and just cruising around. I own DCT now and love it.
Yea I still love manual but DCT's are just so badass in my opinion
@@SimplyCarThings Question are these N55 possy traction?
Have you ever tried the manual in a gt 350? Id like to know how that compares
Do you change out your DCT oil? Since BMW claims it to be a life time fill... I'm caught in 2 minds as my local dealer do not do the change as they follow BMW's recommendations. And I wonder if it's a good idea to change out at other shops. It's close to 100,000kms.
Health issues made the DCT the much better choice for me. I love this DCT! It makes you respect it.....if you do not, you get the “herky jerky” or “I’m learning how to drive a manual” result! Lol. But it is so brutally responsive!! I am disappointed BMW went away from the DCT in the new M4. So now, my F83 has a better transmission than the G series, plus, it actually looks like a BMW!
Couldn’t agree more! even though we shift with paddles the gearbox still feels alive and every shift is so crisp
Dct with the gts transmission flash 🔥
that’s a killer combo 🤙🏼
Dct all the way, F the haters. They r fake enthusiasts.. Probably never have driven a dct m4
Fake? What...
@@thepcmrtim fake=youtube race car driver, get it my gay bro?
😂 i'm definitely a big DCT fan boi can't lie
@@SimplyCarThings I got myself a M235i with only 27k miles on it, with ZF 8 sp-auto, I love it.. its fast enough for subribian roads day to day driving. What I love about it is the size..tho its not a dct but its good enough. I learned a lot about BMWs from your channel, thanks.
If you are more focused on performance than the DCT wins. If you are more focused on fun and enjoyment it is a 6MT. I've always been a manual driver, but I think the DCT's are great too.
agreed!
You are so right
I think once you go above 450 bhp you really need to go dct once on the track you are going that fast 💨 manual is hard work to row them that quick
You doing see and pro racing cars in manual
Yea most definitely, at least that’s how I see it. But everyone has their preference 👌🏼
Ive had a manual 335i n54 and 2 dct 335i n55, I still drive the dct and love it, its so frickin fun and so good
No such thing as a dct n55 335i
@@LegendInThaMakin ah yes there is in europé, you guys have it only in the IS
Oh that’s got to me a wonderful combo! the DCT is really epic
@@SimplyCarThings yeah dude its absolutely lovely!
@@peterlappland did not know that. In America the dct only comes on the N54 equipped to the 335is. When I owned a 335is a few years ago I had mine in a manual though.
Mostly good and valid points but the part where you talk about manual takes away focus from other part of driving is not always accurate. It may be a distraction when you’re first learning a manual but once you get use to it, I believe it enhances your focus on the drive as you are more connected to the car/track
We need video dct vs manual rolling race please
For me manual any day... one thing I’m not willing to settle on
cant blame you man, nothing ever matches the feel of a manual
I love the M4
I’ve had 2 M2s and went for DCT both times, I personally think these cars are too fast for a manual
I like both hands in the wheel when I’m going for it ✊
As long as you have something you enjoy, it should not matter to other people. Whether its a civic or a m4
This is very true, great point!
When it come to a discussion for yourself wich gearbox you take, you should choose the dct.
If you want a manual car you definitely take that stick shift.
Both are fun and imo we are not race drivers that need the extra milliseconds on track.
On the M3 and M4 rather choose the dct, on a M2 Probably more the manual due the concept of this little monster, look at the BMW 1M...
but everyone choose his own option.
Even people like Chris Harris bought a manual M2 for himself
What happened to your bronze wheels? Are you going to put them on the new M4?
i still have them but they're up for sale at the moment, probably will go with a different set of wheels this time around!
I’m a little confused, is DCT automatic, do all non manual m4 have the dct?
yes all non manual M4's came equipped with the DCT. Technically its not a traditional automatic because it does not utilize a torque converter
Dct is made for that engine. Goes much better with the power band. The car is too big to want that outdated rubbery manual
My thoughts exactly
Wasn't your M235 also automatic?
The Gray Hyundai Elantra has a brake light out lol
Is this a competition M4?
No it’s a base
I love manual, it's what I have in both my e92 M3 and E92 335i but I really didn't like it in my old F80 M3. I never felt a true driver connection with that car but I think had it been DCT, I could've focused more on the limits of the car thus ultimately feeling more connected. I know that probably sounds ass backwards 🤣
No, I get it. The problem to me the F80 manual has just lacked feel to me. I am still working to get the DCT to read my mind, but when it is not I can just tap a paddle and instantly the problem is solved.
@@Steven-xj2rf Exactly! It was like adding more driver involvement via the MT just didn't mesh well with the way the car is designed but with dct, you can just keep both hands on the wheel, flick the paddles, and really push/ have more fun with the car 😁 my current car is pdk and love that transmission too!
@@micraw714 I had the same journey as you. I really did enjoy my E90 with manual and that was my first choice until I drove both in the F80.
@@Steven-xj2rf yep, exactly! I'm thinking after my 981 cayman sells, I might try to get into a dct F8X and hopefully keep the MT E9X also 🙂 would be a good combo!
@@micraw714 that would be. Is the 781 pdk or manual?
I'm really torn personally. For me, manual all day but like you said, BMW manuals aren't the best feeling and they were designed around DCTs but having 2 pedals in a sports car doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just elitist pride but part of me just likes having a car normies can't drive lol.
The elitist part of me says get the manual but the engineering side of me says get the DCT. Guess I'll have to drive them both to find out lol
"2 pedals in a sports car doesn't sit right with me" lolwut? 2 pedals with paddle shifters is... literally a sportscar.
Everyone on the internet loves saying they love manuals but you never actually see them.
This is the truth honestly
Same reason I bought the M2C S55 DCT over the 6speed. Having manuals before, I chose the DCT so I could push it in autocross and track...and its faster 0-60.
Absolutely a great reason to opt for the DCT, that also played a large part in my decision as well
As an older guy, I'm tired of shifting. No offense to the younger guys! My M2 has the mDCT and it works very well. The shifts are seamless and buttery smooth. Only very rarely will the computer goof and I suffer a momentary glitch.
Can't blame you! The DCT is an exceptional transmission option
Stick is great for weakend toy and track. Daily I would not want a manual. DCT is mad quick.
Tip, wipe your steering wheel with a damp towel so it won’t become shiny and gross! Lol.
Well explained. And for the record, why would someone get on your channel, which is 90% a BMW Channel, and as the host, had several Bimmers in his ownership, be accused of not being a purest? Don't figure Ommar 😆😆. Every has an opinion, but nobody can put an opinion in your mouth about what you like and know to be true, you feel me?
IMO the M4 is the car for the DCT and the M3 is the car for the 6 speed
The e92*
It’s the same car what😂
@@YUNGLACE_ bruh what
@@YUNGLACE_ I’m saying the f80 m3 is meant for DCT too, and that the e92 m3 is meant for 6 speed
@@YUNGLACE_I mean that to me the M4 is the car to bring to the track and try and be as fast as possible with, but on the other hand the M3 is the ultimate car for the streets for having fun rather than the fastest times. Like you wouldn’t bring a sedan to the track before a coupe- but I’m not saying that the M3 is really objectively any different than the M4.
It's because everyone complains that manuals are disappearing from dealerships but very few actually do what needs to be done about it. 😂😂
They build the cars around what sells. The manuals will only get worse and less available as less bmw owners opt for it. Truthfully the damage has already been done. I have a dct in mine purely because it was the only option, which sucked. Its a great gear box but your never going to be great at driving a manual, as aluded to in thise video, if you don't drive one.
I'd never buy an automatic but it's a dirty secret M2/M3/M4 manuals are horrible, there is a 1.2 seconds of throttle lag programmed in the ECU to protect the drive train when you shift and it feels horrible to drive. Of course not a single reviewer has ever disclosed this, and many shut up about it to sell these at a premium as "legendary" when really they are the most disappointing manuals BMW ever made.
Geez, i never knew that was a thing. Truly unfortunate, but I'm sure the aftermarket has a fix for it
@@SimplyCarThings Problem is all tuners focused on DCT, just like you said car was made for it. So for 5 years nobody could figure out how to tune this out. Now there has finally been some advancement in the last few months. You can get up to speed on breakthroughs here: f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1699999
DCT far better.
I’ve had the manual M3 for a while and I wish I had gotten the DCT. After driving it it really feels like a faster and more precise car.
that's sort of how i felt as well. I still think there's a lot of fun with the manual in these cars
BMW manuals are trash but better than regular BMW auto. 12 BMWs in and I got with DCT on all my ///M cars and SMG on my e46. All my non ///M cars (BMWs) I get 6 speed manual. I love DCT.
Totally in agreement with you, all non M cars i’d go for a manual too. The ZF8 in the newer ones is pretty quick though but the manual feel is lacking
the new m3 g80 manual will be the best M of all time mark my words! the most pure car there is!
You think so? I have a tough time believing that 😂
Auto for a daily. Manual for a weekend toy