Hang on a second, how did we jump to this? What's next, is Contessa going to jump out of a portal followed by some Eldritch Horrors and a few Warp Daemons? Are the fucking Cylons going to come out of nowhere? Is a horde of failed clones going to appear and form some sort of horrifying flesh Voltron? Fuck, is Hive Fleet Behemoth going to appear too?
Its more that its a terrible, terrible attempt at explaining the power when you can LITERALLY USE THE STAR AS THE POWER SOURCE, AMMO, AND EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDED.
@@SephirothRyu I kind of wish the explanation was basically just use a little bit of the star to power it up (kind of like a star forge) and shoot through a hole in hyperspace (maybe using some sort of gateway to direct it or something). Of course, the movie implies the equally stupid explanation that it sucks up the entire star into an itty bitty planet. Then again, the entire concept of a planet-sized superweapon built by a small faction only a fraction of the size of a galaxy-wide empire is pretty dumb. They should have gone a more grounded route like using a biological weapon or a city-destroying weapon.
Starkiller base has been confirmed to be Ilum. It was actually the empire that started mining the massive trench into the planet, in a way to acquire kyber crystals for the death stars' super lasers. Just to add I think this was shown/revealed in Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order if I remember correctly.
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 no at least other people in her field have fucken passion in what they make and not spread feminists propaganda. And hell i couldn't give a shit if ray is the next Skywalker only if they did it right this shit and the ither movies have no passion. No power in writing like the other movies. This js just lazy propaganda bullshit
@@infantjones hell with the mess that is ep IX, I would be preferred them to just remake The Force Unleashed series in live action. It probably wouldve made more sense anyways.
Really, anyone regardless of whether they like, hate, or otherwise feel about the new trilogy should IGNORE this incredibly stupid description of how Starkiller Base works. Like, stupid as in it's on the level that the Sun Crusher is.
That was the point. They wanted it to look like Coruscant so the fans would freak out the first time they saw it fire, without actually having to commit to destroying a world people actually care about.
No the sun crusher is severely limited and is also destroyed as well...SEVERELY limited...little blaster cannot that get blown off ofnit easily and very limited fuel cells...plus let's not forget that if you fire a proton torpedo up the launching tube it blows up inside...the exterior armor also has a lot of weaknesses, just not the ones that were thrown at it...
@@Kolonol1 the Sun Crusher was destroyed by dropping it into a black hole. It survived the trip through a star destroyer as well as the destruction of a couple of suns... it was a tough little ship.
Amen. Let me rephrase that, though: Disney!Lucasfilm - "Legends was inconsistent and constantly contradicted itself, making no sense" Also Disney!Lucasfilm - "Eh, you know how we estabilished facts X and Y in our new and absolutely all-encompassing perfect Canon to explain mcguffin Z? So, those don't really fit the story before the story that was completely disregarded, so it is now McMuffin H, and continuity doesn't matter and thus we are obviously not contradicting ourselves even when we are. Move along."
What would have been the point of the exegol fleet if starkiller base hadn't been destroyed, as starkiller base can destroy multiple planets from across the galaxy, so there would be no need for smaller (in relevance to starkiller base) ships (the exegol fleet) to go destroy multiple planets.
Fear. Redundancy. Dark side-induced dementia. Palpatine was off his meds. It was probably a good idea at the time. Personally, I think it would have been far more interesting if the First Order used more Quintessence-based technology while the Final Order used primarily the Dark Side of the Force(imagine the Xystons using force storm cannons and lightning guns). Would have made them a lot more unique than just "Empire but a different color".
So Palpatine probably started building the fleet after Starkiller base was destroyed? How much time was that? A year? Seems entirely plausible... ? I hate the whole sequel trilogy.
Because it is confirmed that the writers for IX were rewriting the script every day. They had no idea what to do after Trevorrow was utterly screwed over.
Remember, they're just the remnants of the Empire that most people don't think are more then irrelevant terrorists, but they're also more powerful then the Empire at its height at the same time.
@@ReySkywalker2 Fallen Order showed them mining kyber crystals, but even then, the size it's supposedly depicted as shouldn't have the manpower to even operate the base.
Zontar Yeah, we see they mined almost all of the trance by Fallen Order, which was set into 5 years after The Empire formed. Simple math would imply that, in the next 20+ years of the Empire’s reign, they were able to and were the ones to built SKB.
Once the Star is destroyed then the planet will be a burden to make habitable I’d expect so unless they have some bullshit reason for being able to move the planet to another star it’s a shit idea for a base.
Dark energy is just negative mass made every single second by a mysterious cause, there's literally no way it can power the laser either, if it pushed all thet plasma out to destroy planets then it would also push 360 and start destroying the laser barrel thingy
I'm still in the camp that thinks they should have pulled a little from the Old Republic and had Starkiller base be a sort of Star Forge. Its way scarier to have an instant fleet making base than a superweapon. Would have explained how the first order built up their fleet so quickly better imo.
I would have gone all the way and just make it some derelict artifact from an extinct alien species in the unknown regions. They could give vague hints about it being the Rakatans, but make it flexible enough that they could change it later without severe ret-cons. It would be far more believable that an Imperial Remanent would get a leg-up by using xeno techno-sorcery than them magically constructing enough ships to conquer the galaxy without anyone noticing, as well as 2 of the largest ships ever seen.
The biggest sin in my opinion is them being able to see the destruction of these planets from another star system in real time. How close were they to the hosnian system? Or maybe the fact that it's a hyperspace weapon accelerates the light particles to tachyon speeds or something. It's the only way the planets residents could see the blast before getting hit by it. The new trilogy is full of these type of logical errors.
Death By Design Graphics I get where ur coming from, but there is sound in space in the Star Wars universe. However that’s always overlooked by people, certain bits of logic have to be thrown to the wayside for movies of a certain genre to even work. By no means am I defending the sequel trilogy, if ur gonna have that critical lens have it be consistent throughout the entire series.
Ilum is in the Unknown Regions (the galactic west) and the Hosian system is in the Core Worlds. So they created a weapon that can travel through Hyperspace in mere seconds and not hit a single object’s mass shadow along the way.
i was just about to lash out on you for being a toxic youtube comment warrior, it triggered my fight or flight response after reading the first bit of that comment there, but hey what was i expecting. i am a believer that a joke can still be funny if you use it in different ways and formats, i was spared this day. thank wichever lord is above the sky and i will see you.. probably never because i dont think i will run into the same person twice, ariverderci
I like how a lot of people scoff at Legends because of the many “stupid” things in it. The story group has added so much crap into Canon it is making Legends look like a vanilla continuity.
The Star Wars canon is often a case of too many cooks. Here it's like JJ Abrams was cooking a Hamburger Helper tuna noodle casserole and other writers came along and decided that this casserole needs a load of chocolate, Sprite, and sprinkles.
The thing still doesn't make sense, in the movie we see one shot fired which then splits on it's own, to hit multiple planets in a system. So it can be recharged, travel any distance almost instantly, and it's self guided? so much wrong with the new movies.
I saw the title and my first thought was: *You mean other than the fact that removing a star from the system would destroy a solar system without needing to use the laser*
And this is the "definitive canon" we got from Lucasfilm and their "Story Group". I swear, they're always writing themselves into holes, way worse than what occasionally happened in Legends. Sometimes the mystery is better than anything anyone could come up with...
Agreed. This might be - okay, IS - a weird comparison, but if I imagined the Disney Canon and Legends as bedrooms, the Disney one would be terribly disorganized, no real storage system, things all over the floor, and on the desk there are many, many models of various space ships that either aren't finished or haven't been started, but the pieces still lay cluttered all over said desk. Of course, if you put a heck of a lot of work into it, you could organize the room, but it would be such a long and tedious process that the person residing there has simply given up on it - perhaps they never even cared for the room in the first place. The Legends one isn't picture perfect of course, but it is clean, it smells good and you can see that the person that lives here puts great effort into keeping it up to at least a certain standard. A few stupid design decisions have been made in the past, but the owner puts in the time to even them out. My comment is one of the best examples of why my constant ramblings mixed with sleep deprivation really do not make much sense, I am sorry.
@@lobeliaowl2482 that is actually the most intelligently comprehensive analogy I've heard to describe these movies. Do I have permission to use this in the future?
I would have liked to see the First Order have built their technology around Quintessence. Imagine if their stormtroopers had integrated "phantom shields" into their armor, or that they used this sort of "sub-hyperspace" to tunnel through hyperdpace at an ever faster rate than standard hyperdrives.
Lol as cool as that would have been, that would require them to have planned things out from the beginning around the concept of quintessence, rather than JJ just going for visuals and who cares about explanations.
Subhyperspace could explain how the Supremacy could both track things through hyperspace, and be hit by the hyperspace ram. It could partially submerge itself (for lack of a better term) into hyperspace/subhyperspace whenever the tracker was active. The 1st two movies were so close to being pretty decent films, but TROS just ruined everything and made the whole trilogy painful and incoherent.
It was indeed a terrible idea, especially if you consider that the first order was actually being run by the emperor who by this point had already built planet killing star destroyers and was just waiting for someone to pay him a visit like a lonely grandpa.
Starkiller Base as a concept is really dumb, and the way it functions makes no sense. Sure the Death Star was huge, but at least it was practical, while Starkiller Base is just a bunch of fan-fiction based nonsense that bends real astrological science. Yes Dark Energy is actually a scientifically possible thing (it's not something the writers made up, it's actually a scientific concept, look it up!), but it ignores things like the way light travels through space... or the fact that the beam can somehow split up and hit it's targets exactly. Regardless of which explanation given is better or more accurate, it's filled with so many holes that it's enough to drive scientists at NASA crazy due to how many laws of quantum physics this violates. Yes I know it's a fictional franchise set in a more futuristic universe than our own, but that doesn't change the fact that it's stupid enough to violate everything modern science has established to absolutely shatter my suspension of disbelief.
Dude thank you! You’re the only other person I’ve seen bring up how utterly ridiculous it is that the beam splits into five and still hits every target with miraculous accuracy.
@@beardedbjorn5520 I don't care if it's a fictional franchise, I don't care if The Force or anything like that is involved, because even if The Forced was used to excuse it, it doesn't change the fact that it's stupid.
[Before watching]: If this is not about it literally destroying a star by using it as a fuel source/ammo to power after only firing the thing TWICE... Or maybe three times if there was a test shot to someplace from the same star. [Watches]: Oh, great. Some idiot decided to try and drag some astrophysics into this mess. And I use the term loosely. As in, the same level of "astrophysics" that the people who try to sell essential oils and crystals and harmonic waters are at when they try to use with the word "quantum." No, nope. That is not how dark energy works, regardless of which universe we are in. Really. Who put THOSE idiots in charge of the visual guides and novelizations? Whoever it was, both they and these idiot writers clearly need to have more essential quantum harmonic water crystal oils. Seriously, this sounds like DC and Marvel Universe writing now. In the BAD way that it can sound like that.
Is it stated anywhere that the death stars can destroy stars? Because otherwise I see no reason to assume they could destroy a star. Sure, we've seen them destroy planets. But the amount of energy it takes to destroy a planet is not comparable to that needed to destroy a star. The Sun, for instance, has 330,000 times more mass the the Earth.
@@doglover334 I don't see how shooting a giant beam at the sun would cause it to explode. Yet in the movies when we see anything destroyed by them there is giant inexplicable explosion. So... Maybe? Or that's just a stylistic choice. Depends how you look at it.
Why did finn, a literal run of the mill grunt soldier, have such a detailed, in depth description of how it fires? That'd be like a German trench soldier of World War I knowing how the German high command used the Paris gun. Front line troops should have no clue how your super weapon works, or even that it exists unless completely necessary or unavoidable.
"Starkiller uses the star as a gravitational lens - so, I guess, Dark Energy is being pulled from the surrounding area" - Come on Disney, we clearly see in the movie that the planet sucked in the star into it and then shot it. Stop being an absolute idiots in your media.
@@loganhart5924 don't worry, soon Rey will get a stand alone film where she uses her God magic to rebuild illum and replenish it's entire kyber stock. She will arrange the atoms to create planets. Then all will be well
I wish Starkiller Base was Star Forge, not a Death Star. That would've been a more impressive weapon, a factory that could churn out Star Destroyers in minutes.
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I don't think this has been officially confirmed anywhere, but I believe that the Xyston-class Star Destroyers in The Rise of Skywalker use the same basic technology, only quite miniaturized. The laser even looks like the Starkiller beam! As for the "did it eat the star or not?" question, I think the star was temporarily darkened as massive amounts of energy were drawn off of it, but its natural fusion reaction replenished the light after a few hours. I think it is using star energy to either power the dark energy compression needed for its firing, or it is using the solar energy to ignite the quintessence already stored within its core, similar to how nuclear weapons use conventional explosives to start their chain-reactions (or, in the case of hydrogen bombs, they use small fission nukes to begin their fusion reactions).
4:27 a little bit late, but even Jedi Fallen order confirmed it. If you come back to Illum after the nampaign you can see a massive metal ring inside the planet, resembling the Starkiller base
"And it relies on the mass of the bodies to actually rip the beam back into realspace." Why would mass rip the beam back into realspace? We have seen ships use hyperspace very close to a planet's ground, so obviously the mass of a planet does not influence hyperspace in any way.
See this was the first big contradiction I saw in Disney's Canon. Rebels and other sources were very clear about gravity wells and their effects on hyperspace. However the movies continuously would use hyperspace well within a planet's atmosphere (the most obnoxious example being the Falcon jumping through Starkiller Base's shield). So either they can't make up their minds, or they simply don't care.
"We have seen ships use hyperspace very close to a planet's ground, so obviously the mass of a planet does not influence hyperspace in any way" Here's a good example of that for anyone who's interested. ruclips.net/video/K9HximIGPFU/видео.html
While Star Wars is a science fiction (with more “fiction” than “science”) it’s still has most laws of physics,like,how the fuck can they put the energy of a star into an incredibly small planet?
Yeah. How much they upscale shit or subvert you expectations doesn't matter. At least Prequels had something different. This is almost the same story with the most obvious copy on TFA
Haven't seen this video yet, but I just want to communicate how excited I am to see your Local58 video after this (I'm sure Incredible) video. Very exciting.
@@siimkivisild2251 well my opinion is by far the most popular. Just look at the ratings for the last jedi,people obviously crapped on this movie from the getgo.
@@bobobluedog I know , i was just saying that i can respect YOUR opinion but I don't agree with it. I wasn't trying to say that your oppninion was less popular or that people liked the movie.
+Sicivi Shoelace sorry to say, but your opinion is mediocre then. The trilogy was nothing more than flashing lights, good effects and pandering bait. It wasn't original, it wasn't a good story even if it was and it wasn't even consistent. We live in an era of mediocrity, where these half-assed poorly written stories always get a pass from a fairly large group of people, for reasons I just don't get. They are NOT good movies, why did you enjoy them. Please, I genuinely don't understand. Was it because you found them "progressive"? The impressive lights? Because you're simply new to the film scene, and your bar hasn't been raised that much yet? Why.
I like the head cannon i had where it was eating stars to basically fire a concentrated solar flare through hyperspace. To move it didnt have thrusters but it had a massive hyperspace engine, so it would just jump from point to point.
NameyNameName I’m still a fan of Star Wars you moron. Just because your a fan of a franchise doesn’t mean you have to love everything about the franchise you can dislike or hate some parts about the franchise for an example I hate the Sequel Trilogy but I love the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, the old republic era etc.
Ah, so it's Disney canon eating itself alive again whilst stealing a thing from the Voltron reboot prior to _that_ show crashing and burning in truly spectacular fashion.
I don't see how it can be Ilum. Ilum was already destroyed in the Ahsoka novel. But according to that novel Ilum was basically cracked to the core, and molten magma was pouring up to the surface as i understand it. It was apparently completely drained of all its resources, and yet the First Order was still using Starkiller Base as a source of income. A bit of a contradiction there.
@@TeezoTarantino I hate this new canon when they can't even keep it consistent. Besides, Starkiller Base doesn't look like Ilum. In Star Wars the Clone Wars, Ilum was covered in glacier, ice shelves and crystaline formations, and partly covered in water, while Starkiller Base is mostly covered in snow, rocky mountain formations and forests.
The predators don't have a navy, and seemingly don't have much incentive to conquer the galaxy. They'd probably just set up shop on a few backwaters and do what they do. The Xenomorphs really aren't an existential threat to anyone. Sure they can do pretty impressive damage when in an isolated colony with plenty of duct-work, but with no technology their capability to do anything civilization-threatening is non-existent.
Callumunga agree on the Predators, disagree about the aliens. Predators would rather have a good old time hunting difficult prey and the Star Wars galaxy has enough to keep them occupied for fricking eternity. Aliens on the other hand have shown a tendency towards being outright malicious. Give them enough room and they’ll spread like wildfire. That being said I doubt they’d go unnoticed and that the galactic powers wouldn’t do something to contain or outright extinct them. One person infected on a ship that makes it to orbit is enough to cause all kinds of problems. Plus we know the Queen is smart as shit, no reason to believe she couldn’t adapt to flying a ship or birth a baby to do it for her.
A careful combination of both. Also, I remember commenting about Hyperspace being a Technologically based form of an alternate state of being/matter. Thus, as the beam(s) travel, they have no choice but to be visible, unlike ships who do travel…
I remember watching The Force Awakens and The last Jedi for the first time in theaters and not see any kind of problems, only when I saw all those movie reviews and just people complaining and making long lists of nitpicks then when I went to watch the rise of Skywalker and I just couldn't take it, I saw too many problems my brain was polluted by the people and the movie reviews lol
ImperialFzorn Thefinal The main thing isn’t all of the little flaws people point out, no Star Wars fans actually care about that. Star Wars has never really had the best acting or best special effects. The main thing the original trilogy and prequels to a certain extent had the the sequels don’t is heart. The sequels were cash cows first, and good movies second. There wasn’t any story it really wanted to tell. Not a hero’s journey like the original trilogy, a story of rebellion by a group of scrappy militia against a massive galaxy spanning empire. Nor social commentary about the start of oppressive regimes like the prequels and how they rationalized the creation of the Galactic Empire. We don’t even get many good character moments like Anakin and Obi-wan’s fight on Mustafar, or the entirety of the Clone Wars. The sequels butchered decades of lore and character building for money, that’s why most people hate them so much
Idea for a novel Star Wars superweapon: a device that doesn’t blow up a planet, but instead uses the dark side to torture it’s entire sapient population to death
Glad they gave Starkiller Base a better explanation off screen, though there was the Gree dark matter device from Legends that caused black holes, it was a neat weird new idea though I would take the Galaxy Gun instead
It takes more effort and writing to invent an explanation then was put into making the actual movies themselves. I remember coming up with a whole explanation behind the Holdo maneuver that even explained why nobody ever used it before now against say the Deathstar. it's exhausting patching the holes those three movies tore into the universe.
I think one way to reconcile the lore is simply that Starkiller base used a massive tractor-beam like mechanism to draw in the quintessence, and as a side effect it also tore at the star's plasma. Done over a longer period of time Starkiller may have been able to collect enough energy without drawing too much on the star itself, but episode seven kind of implies that the actual attack on the hosnian system was accelerated so they may have just gone all in to get it done fast.
I thought the way Starkiller worked was it was a hyperspace window generator (similar to Hyperwave, the FTL communications in Star Wars), rather than compressing space around the ship allowing it to reach near lightspeed then with baryonic technobabble was able to access the alternate universe of hyperspace, these create a narrow corridor of heavily compressed space between two star systems (and then the message may be forwarded on to another system via a switchboard). Starkiller drew plasma from the sun (and our Sun is 1.3m times the size of Earth so plenty of ammunition) temporarily compressed it and accelerated it into effectively a Laser Plasma Acceleration within the planets core then fired it through a hyperspace window at the target.
I feel like if this story were spread over 3 episodes and were a bit more evolved, then it sequels would become much better. It's not a bad concept, turning a planet into a moving fortress instead of building one from scratch!
In Rebels they show that Starkiller base does Indeed consume the star. When Caz and Poe arrive in a system that starkiller was tested the star has completely vanished and the planets have started to freeze from the lack of solar heat.
After playing Fallen order and watching TFA I just realised that awesome jedi temple on ilum'starkiller base' was completely obliterated without anyone batting an eye . New canon consistency is kriff.
The Suncrusher was also able to destroy star systems by causing a star to become a supernova. It's armor was so tough that nothing could penetrate it, not even a direct shot from the Death Star super laser.
Next update patch notes: Planets destroyed by Starkiller base lowered from 5 to 3.
They nerfed starkiller base
Finally a comment that isn't actively telling everyone how much they hate the sequels
@@siimkivisild2251 the sequels suck
Retrostyler finally, a comment that is actively telling everyone how much they hate the sequels
@@Retostl Hating movies sucks.
Eckhard’s Ladder: “Starkiller base has quintessence.”
Me: “I’m sorry, did we just jump to the Voltron reboot?!”
You mean you didn't notice emperor Zarkon standing in the background during Hux's speech??
I heard quintessence and I could not remember where it came from. Thank you!
Hang on a second, how did we jump to this? What's next, is Contessa going to jump out of a portal followed by some Eldritch Horrors and a few Warp Daemons? Are the fucking Cylons going to come out of nowhere? Is a horde of failed clones going to appear and form some sort of horrifying flesh Voltron? Fuck, is Hive Fleet Behemoth going to appear too?
QUIZNAK
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought Voltron upon hearing this lol
I hate it when a series contradicts itself with its own universes technology.
I know that the sequels do it but also most sci fi series/movies contradict with their own technology
Sim Bert Examples?
Its more that its a terrible, terrible attempt at explaining the power when you can LITERALLY USE THE STAR AS THE POWER SOURCE, AMMO, AND EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDED.
@@PackHunter117 The Kelvin timeline in Star Trek
Star Trek: Picard
Doctor Who
@@SephirothRyu I kind of wish the explanation was basically just use a little bit of the star to power it up (kind of like a star forge) and shoot through a hole in hyperspace (maybe using some sort of gateway to direct it or something). Of course, the movie implies the equally stupid explanation that it sucks up the entire star into an itty bitty planet.
Then again, the entire concept of a planet-sized superweapon built by a small faction only a fraction of the size of a galaxy-wide empire is pretty dumb. They should have gone a more grounded route like using a biological weapon or a city-destroying weapon.
Starkiller base has been confirmed to be Ilum. It was actually the empire that started mining the massive trench into the planet, in a way to acquire kyber crystals for the death stars' super lasers.
Just to add I think this was shown/revealed in Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order if I remember correctly.
Yep, it was confirmed to be Ilum in the Ep 9 Visual Dictionary that Eck references in this video.
NOOOOOO
@Eye Above All she's not evil, she's just like any other high-salary person
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 no at least other people in her field have fucken passion in what they make and not spread feminists propaganda. And hell i couldn't give a shit if ray is the next Skywalker only if they did it right this shit and the ither movies have no passion. No power in writing like the other movies. This js just lazy propaganda bullshit
It was shown
The whole thing makes no sense.
It was just JJ Abrams discovering the name Starkiller in the material, and ran with it.
Starkiller was Luke Skywalker's original name, but it was changed before the first movie came out.
@@ThrawnSr Starkiller is also what Vaders apprentice, Galen Marek, went by
@@LeglessWonder I really doubt JJ Abrams took the name from Marek, though they are pretty comparable in both being an obnoxious power fantasy.
^THIS^
He doesn't give a damn about canon. He just wants his "mystery box".
@@infantjones hell with the mess that is ep IX, I would be preferred them to just remake The Force Unleashed series in live action. It probably wouldve made more sense anyways.
Eck: Starkiller base may even have unlimited power
Palpatine: Heavy breathing
But it isnt the senate
UNLIMITTTTED POOOOOOWEER
Really, anyone regardless of whether they like, hate, or otherwise feel about the new trilogy should IGNORE this incredibly stupid description of how Starkiller Base works. Like, stupid as in it's on the level that the Sun Crusher is.
When I saw star killer base fire I almost had a heart attack because that one city looked like coruscant
That was the point. They wanted it to look like Coruscant so the fans would freak out the first time they saw it fire, without actually having to commit to destroying a world people actually care about.
They had a deleted scene showing the woman being told to go there and I can’t see why they removed it entirely. It made the film confusing.
@@tehrulefoo like fake out deaths in Episode 9?
No worries, Rey could just bring them all back to life, no biggie
Eckhartslatter: starkiller base is the most overpowered super weapon
Me: *laughs in sun crusher*
ImperialFzorn Thefinal
Me: *Laughs in Typhojem the Left-Handed God*
ImperialFzorn Thefinal *laughs in high ground*
No the sun crusher is severely limited and is also destroyed as well...SEVERELY limited...little blaster cannot that get blown off ofnit easily and very limited fuel cells...plus let's not forget that if you fire a proton torpedo up the launching tube it blows up inside...the exterior armor also has a lot of weaknesses, just not the ones that were thrown at it...
@@Kolonol1 the Sun Crusher was destroyed by dropping it into a black hole. It survived the trip through a star destroyer as well as the destruction of a couple of suns... it was a tough little ship.
@@PtrOBrn Don't forget it tanked a glancing blow from the Death Star's superlaser
"Lets blow up some planets nobody cares about"-J.J Abrams
Russell unfortunately it was the important to lightsabers.
Every planet that was blown up nobody cared about.
Illum 😥
*sad fan noises*
Romulus remember.
"Legends was inconsistent and constantly contradicted itself, making no sense"
Disney - "Hold our Kool-Aid"
Amen.
Let me rephrase that, though:
Disney!Lucasfilm - "Legends was inconsistent and constantly contradicted itself, making no sense"
Also Disney!Lucasfilm - "Eh, you know how we estabilished facts X and Y in our new and absolutely all-encompassing perfect Canon to explain mcguffin Z? So, those don't really fit the story before the story that was completely disregarded, so it is now McMuffin H, and continuity doesn't matter and thus we are obviously not contradicting ourselves even when we are. Move along."
Disney - "And drink it."
What would have been the point of the exegol fleet if starkiller base hadn't been destroyed, as starkiller base can destroy multiple planets from across the galaxy, so there would be no need for smaller (in relevance to starkiller base) ships (the exegol fleet) to go destroy multiple planets.
Fear. Redundancy. Dark side-induced dementia. Palpatine was off his meds. It was probably a good idea at the time.
Personally, I think it would have been far more interesting if the First Order used more Quintessence-based technology while the Final Order used primarily the Dark Side of the Force(imagine the Xystons using force storm cannons and lightning guns). Would have made them a lot more unique than just "Empire but a different color".
So Palpatine probably started building the fleet after Starkiller base was destroyed?
How much time was that? A year?
Seems entirely plausible... ?
I hate the whole sequel trilogy.
Because it is confirmed that the writers for IX were rewriting the script every day. They had no idea what to do after Trevorrow was utterly screwed over.
Because plot
@@zoomertoast3703 True
Remember, they're just the remnants of the Empire that most people don't think are more then irrelevant terrorists, but they're also more powerful then the Empire at its height at the same time.
If Canon didn't fuck up the size of the first order fleet
The Empire built StarKiller Base though, as shown in Fallen Order.
@@ReySkywalker2 Fallen Order showed them mining kyber crystals, but even then, the size it's supposedly depicted as shouldn't have the manpower to even operate the base.
@@ReySkywalker2 they didn't build it, they just mined it
Zontar Yeah, we see they mined almost all of the trance by Fallen Order, which was set into 5 years after The Empire formed. Simple math would imply that, in the next 20+ years of the Empire’s reign, they were able to and were the ones to built SKB.
The major flaw is saying Starkiller Base runs on Dark Energy when we clearly see in the movie it consuming a star. It's even in the freaking name!
Yeah, it falls into the Jar Jar Abrams "That looks cool, we'll worry about it making sense later" trap
Exactly.
Once the Star is destroyed then the planet will be a burden to make habitable I’d expect so unless they have some bullshit reason for being able to move the planet to another star it’s a shit idea for a base.
Dark energy is just negative mass made every single second by a mysterious cause, there's literally no way it can power the laser either, if it pushed all thet plasma out to destroy planets then it would also push 360 and start destroying the laser barrel thingy
@@xenon8117 like the death star?
I'm still in the camp that thinks they should have pulled a little from the Old Republic and had Starkiller base be a sort of Star Forge. Its way scarier to have an instant fleet making base than a superweapon. Would have explained how the first order built up their fleet so quickly better imo.
I wish palpatine had discovered and used a star forge in episode 9
I would have gone all the way and just make it some derelict artifact from an extinct alien species in the unknown regions. They could give vague hints about it being the Rakatans, but make it flexible enough that they could change it later without severe ret-cons.
It would be far more believable that an Imperial Remanent would get a leg-up by using xeno techno-sorcery than them magically constructing enough ships to conquer the galaxy without anyone noticing, as well as 2 of the largest ships ever seen.
That would make Ep9 make some sense if the really big weapon was a star Forge and it had been cranking out Palpy's fleet this whole time.
Me too! That would explain how the FO got their big ass fleet. Seriously, that makes no sense.
I mean they shouldn't have done a bigger but stupider remake of a new hope in the first place
The biggest sin in my opinion is them being able to see the destruction of these planets from another star system in real time. How close were they to the hosnian system? Or maybe the fact that it's a hyperspace weapon accelerates the light particles to tachyon speeds or something. It's the only way the planets residents could see the blast before getting hit by it. The new trilogy is full of these type of logical errors.
Death By Design Graphics I get where ur coming from, but there is sound in space in the Star Wars universe. However that’s always overlooked by people, certain bits of logic have to be thrown to the wayside for movies of a certain genre to even work. By no means am I defending the sequel trilogy, if ur gonna have that critical lens have it be consistent throughout the entire series.
Ilum is in the Unknown Regions (the galactic west) and the Hosian system is in the Core Worlds. So they created a weapon that can travel through Hyperspace in mere seconds and not hit a single object’s mass shadow along the way.
It's fantasy.
@@dustinakadustin it's bullshit
@@dr.katlak7847 okay, stop watching star wars then. Cause it's all bullshit and ridiculous and never really been about realism.
Lol, but the X-wing is THE most over powered
Who would win?
One massive system killer
Or
One wingy boi
the reason why luke destroyed the first death star because luke's x-wing was flying above the death star, giving him the high ground
@@cress5580 ok that joke is incredibly old and increasingly annoying...BUT...your usage of it was awesome XD
i was just about to lash out on you for being a toxic youtube comment warrior, it triggered my fight or flight response after reading the first bit of that comment there, but hey what was i expecting. i am a believer that a joke can still be funny if you use it in different ways and formats, i was spared this day. thank wichever lord is above the sky and i will see you.. probably never because i dont think i will run into the same person twice, ariverderci
@@cress5580 from a certain point of view
I like how a lot of people scoff at Legends because of the many “stupid” things in it. The story group has added so much crap into Canon it is making Legends look like a vanilla continuity.
Two words: Sun Crusher.
THANK YOU!
Finally someone understands true power 👍
That is still Canon to me.
@@simonwillis1529 and i was nice for not mention the Centerpoint Station.
Both because the ship was practically indestructible and it could stealth drop torpedoes to kill a solar system.
Episode X: There will be a galaxy-sized superweapon that can blow up other galaxies
*laughs in Gurren luggen*
The Star Wars canon is often a case of too many cooks. Here it's like JJ Abrams was cooking a Hamburger Helper tuna noodle casserole and other writers came along and decided that this casserole needs a load of chocolate, Sprite, and sprinkles.
But that the first cook got the idea to cook a Hamburger helper tuna noodle casserole in the first place is a large part of the problem
@@SpektralJo Precisely. It's a very safe choice.
The thing still doesn't make sense, in the movie we see one shot fired which then splits on it's own, to hit multiple planets in a system.
So it can be recharged, travel any distance almost instantly, and it's self guided? so much wrong with the new movies.
Ridiculous how uncoordinated all of Disney Star Wars is
I saw the title and my first thought was:
*You mean other than the fact that removing a star from the system would destroy a solar system without needing to use the laser*
And this is the "definitive canon" we got from Lucasfilm and their "Story Group". I swear, they're always writing themselves into holes, way worse than what occasionally happened in Legends. Sometimes the mystery is better than anything anyone could come up with...
Agreed.
This might be - okay, IS - a weird comparison, but if I imagined the Disney Canon and Legends as bedrooms, the Disney one would be terribly disorganized, no real storage system, things all over the floor, and on the desk there are many, many models of various space ships that either aren't finished or haven't been started, but the pieces still lay cluttered all over said desk. Of course, if you put a heck of a lot of work into it, you could organize the room, but it would be such a long and tedious process that the person residing there has simply given up on it - perhaps they never even cared for the room in the first place.
The Legends one isn't picture perfect of course, but it is clean, it smells good and you can see that the person that lives here puts great effort into keeping it up to at least a certain standard. A few stupid design decisions have been made in the past, but the owner puts in the time to even them out.
My comment is one of the best examples of why my constant ramblings mixed with sleep deprivation really do not make much sense, I am sorry.
Yeah they should have just have someone say something about Starkiller using the power of a star to power it and just leave it at that
What holes are here?
@@lobeliaowl2482 Actually that analogy is pretty spot on, I think.
@@lobeliaowl2482 that is actually the most intelligently comprehensive analogy I've heard to describe these movies. Do I have permission to use this in the future?
I would have liked to see the First Order have built their technology around Quintessence. Imagine if their stormtroopers had integrated "phantom shields" into their armor, or that they used this sort of "sub-hyperspace" to tunnel through hyperdpace at an ever faster rate than standard hyperdrives.
Lol as cool as that would have been, that would require them to have planned things out from the beginning around the concept of quintessence, rather than JJ just going for visuals and who cares about explanations.
Subhyperspace could explain how the Supremacy could both track things through hyperspace, and be hit by the hyperspace ram. It could partially submerge itself (for lack of a better term) into hyperspace/subhyperspace whenever the tracker was active.
The 1st two movies were so close to being pretty decent films, but TROS just ruined everything and made the whole trilogy painful and incoherent.
So we all agree: it was a terrible idea to make a third death star.
I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that. Easily one of their most tone-deaf moves.
@Eye Above All Everything in the Disney Star Wars is super-duper. Even AT-ATs turned into the Mechagodzilla.
No, we don't all agree...
@Eye Above All Damn, if only they named it Freudian Nightmare instead of Starkiller base. :D
It was indeed a terrible idea, especially if you consider that the first order was actually being run by the emperor who by this point had already built planet killing star destroyers and was just waiting for someone to pay him a visit like a lonely grandpa.
When Eck says Legends and Canon you know shits about to go down
Starkiller Base as a concept is really dumb, and the way it functions makes no sense. Sure the Death Star was huge, but at least it was practical, while Starkiller Base is just a bunch of fan-fiction based nonsense that bends real astrological science. Yes Dark Energy is actually a scientifically possible thing (it's not something the writers made up, it's actually a scientific concept, look it up!), but it ignores things like the way light travels through space... or the fact that the beam can somehow split up and hit it's targets exactly.
Regardless of which explanation given is better or more accurate, it's filled with so many holes that it's enough to drive scientists at NASA crazy due to how many laws of quantum physics this violates. Yes I know it's a fictional franchise set in a more futuristic universe than our own, but that doesn't change the fact that it's stupid enough to violate everything modern science has established to absolutely shatter my suspension of disbelief.
Dude thank you! You’re the only other person I’ve seen bring up how utterly ridiculous it is that the beam splits into five and still hits every target with miraculous accuracy.
@@beardedbjorn5520 I don't care if it's a fictional franchise, I don't care if The Force or anything like that is involved, because even if The Forced was used to excuse it, it doesn't change the fact that it's stupid.
@@Masterge77 exactly. In my opinion it is the most ridiculous thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and know one remembers for silly it is.
Man it really feels as though eckhart is starting to hate star wars more and more everyday....
Just to stupid stuff in the sequels. He’s done a couple vids on the good stuff
He knows quality and what we have now isn’t quality he has lots of good vids and agree with him
He'd never admit to that.
Jonathan Salas Can’t say I blame him. All they did was copy and paste from the EU and dumbed down Luke and the others.
When Rise of Skywalker is all sucked dry of content. Do what must be done.
The problem with things not making sense is the same problem of inconsistency of new movies.
0:59 bruh we got a stormtrooper walking around in space
In other words, the writers still can't decide how their plot devices actually work
To be honest I felt that The force awakens was like a retold of a new hope accorded to some critics.
That's what it literally is. It's a terrible Sequel cause it's actually a reboot masquerading as a Sequel.
[Before watching]: If this is not about it literally destroying a star by using it as a fuel source/ammo to power after only firing the thing TWICE... Or maybe three times if there was a test shot to someplace from the same star.
[Watches]: Oh, great. Some idiot decided to try and drag some astrophysics into this mess. And I use the term loosely. As in, the same level of "astrophysics" that the people who try to sell essential oils and crystals and harmonic waters are at when they try to use with the word "quantum." No, nope. That is not how dark energy works, regardless of which universe we are in.
Really. Who put THOSE idiots in charge of the visual guides and novelizations? Whoever it was, both they and these idiot writers clearly need to have more essential quantum harmonic water crystal oils.
Seriously, this sounds like DC and Marvel Universe writing now. In the BAD way that it can sound like that.
Pablo Hidalgo wrote that trash for the visual guides.
Hyperspace, Lightsabers and space dogfights now that's fine, but don't you dare touch that dark energy.
Wasn't the whole point about turning the EU into legends and having the Disney Story Group to have more consistency throughout Star Wars media?
I just wish they didnt have starkiller base at all, but its done now...
Chris Orr I totally agree. I would have preferred something entirely different.
I agree, it's their to make you freak the first time, like wow look how big it is holy Shit! Then on multiple viewings you realise it's dumb.
As if I needed more reasons to dislike Starkiller Base...
0:19 technically the death stars could probably destroy an entire star system by shooting its sun
Well played.
Is it stated anywhere that the death stars can destroy stars? Because otherwise I see no reason to assume they could destroy a star. Sure, we've seen them destroy planets. But the amount of energy it takes to destroy a planet is not comparable to that needed to destroy a star. The Sun, for instance, has 330,000 times more mass the the Earth.
@@Trex-or6cd but it's also more explosive, i bet
@@doglover334 I don't see how shooting a giant beam at the sun would cause it to explode. Yet in the movies when we see anything destroyed by them there is giant inexplicable explosion. So... Maybe? Or that's just a stylistic choice. Depends how you look at it.
“You see the almighty annihilates stars”
The dumbest superweapon in star wars is it the star crusher. JJ Abrahms, .
"hold my beer"
They shouldn't have tried to overexplain this outside of the movies 'cause the answer we got from it was satisfying
You've got some great videos man. Keep up the awesome work!
So, does this explain away how people on the doomed planets saw the light of the approaching energy blast - that travels faster than light?
Why did finn, a literal run of the mill grunt soldier, have such a detailed, in depth description of how it fires? That'd be like a German trench soldier of World War I knowing how the German high command used the Paris gun. Front line troops should have no clue how your super weapon works, or even that it exists unless completely necessary or unavoidable.
"Starkiller uses the star as a gravitational lens - so, I guess, Dark Energy is being pulled from the surrounding area" - Come on Disney, we clearly see in the movie that the planet sucked in the star into it and then shot it. Stop being an absolute idiots in your media.
7:33 sounds like the Penrose process. A incredibly simple yet absurdly effective way of getting energy
It is confirmed that starkiller base is Illum. The kyber crystal planet the Jedi used to take younglings.
Darth Gerald: A Star Wars Channel Its on wookiepedia so it is at least generally accepted
Luke, somewhere in the distance: *"tHE sAcrED JeDi pLAneT!"*
@@loganhart5924 don't worry, soon Rey will get a stand alone film where she uses her God magic to rebuild illum and replenish it's entire kyber stock. She will arrange the atoms to create planets. Then all will be well
I wish Starkiller Base was Star Forge, not a Death Star. That would've been a more impressive weapon, a factory that could churn out Star Destroyers in minutes.
It seems like they literally just stole this "Quintessence" lore BS from the non-very-good Neflix Voltron series, it's ridiculous.
The episode 7 novelization came out in January 2016, Voltron Legendary Defender started in June 2016, so they didn't steal it from Voltron.
@@Lexivor they never talked about "Quintessence" in the episode 7, but later
Everything in Disney wars is stolen, stolen and poorly executed.
Actually they stole it from Aristotle or maybe just theoretical physic.
Eck even describes where the terms comes from.
@@frenchmainwt They talked about quintessence in the novelization of The Force Awakens, which still came out before Voltron.
I don’t know what it is and I know it’s not technically yours But whenever I hear your intro it brings me into a soothing good place in life because I know I can worry about something amazing in a cool way
Echkharts had been dislusioned from starwars
Can you blame him? The franchise has been butchered beyond all recognition.
We ALL have been with the new trilogy
@@tehrulefoo waa waa waa
@@stargatecommand714 Has disney released a good main series star wars movie yet? No? Ok stfu.
@@zynarax They have.
I don't think this has been officially confirmed anywhere, but I believe that the Xyston-class Star Destroyers in The Rise of Skywalker use the same basic technology, only quite miniaturized. The laser even looks like the Starkiller beam!
As for the "did it eat the star or not?" question, I think the star was temporarily darkened as massive amounts of energy were drawn off of it, but its natural fusion reaction replenished the light after a few hours. I think it is using star energy to either power the dark energy compression needed for its firing, or it is using the solar energy to ignite the quintessence already stored within its core, similar to how nuclear weapons use conventional explosives to start their chain-reactions (or, in the case of hydrogen bombs, they use small fission nukes to begin their fusion reactions).
"Even more stupid" enough said about ep 7, 8, and 9
4:27 a little bit late, but even Jedi Fallen order confirmed it. If you come back to Illum after the nampaign you can see a massive metal ring inside the planet, resembling the Starkiller base
A “Small, Big rift”?
Am I hearing that right??
According to Neil Degrase, if Starkiller base were to really destroy a Star as fuel, than it could destroy as much as 1000 planets with a single shot
"And it relies on the mass of the bodies to actually rip the beam back into realspace."
Why would mass rip the beam back into realspace? We have seen ships use hyperspace very close to a planet's ground, so obviously the mass of a planet does not influence hyperspace in any way.
See this was the first big contradiction I saw in Disney's Canon. Rebels and other sources were very clear about gravity wells and their effects on hyperspace. However the movies continuously would use hyperspace well within a planet's atmosphere (the most obnoxious example being the Falcon jumping through Starkiller Base's shield). So either they can't make up their minds, or they simply don't care.
@@Riptor25 actually the most obnoxious in my mind is Poe's bullshit skipping on the opening of TRoS
"We have seen ships use hyperspace very close to a planet's ground, so obviously the mass of a planet does not influence hyperspace in any way"
Here's a good example of that for anyone who's interested.
ruclips.net/video/K9HximIGPFU/видео.html
While Star Wars is a science fiction (with more “fiction” than “science”) it’s still has most laws of physics,like,how the fuck can they put the energy of a star into an incredibly small planet?
The Star Wars Movie 7, 8 and 9 is the Remake to the New Hope, the Empire strikes back and the return of the Jedi.
Damn right they are. Rip offs I say.
Yeah. How much they upscale shit or subvert you expectations doesn't matter. At least Prequels had something different. This is almost the same story with the most obvious copy on TFA
Haven't seen this video yet, but I just want to communicate how excited I am to see your Local58 video after this (I'm sure Incredible) video.
Very exciting.
So what you're saying is
We can build Starkiller base?
Ferb, I know what we're doing today
Your next video should be about how the Jedi order got all it’s credits. I’d always wondered how they afforded those pricey eta-2s
Exactly I hate the new trilogy. It is a disgusting remodel of a beloved series that does nothing right.
I respect your oppinion but i don't agree with you
@@siimkivisild2251 well my opinion is by far the most popular. Just look at the ratings for the last jedi,people obviously crapped on this movie from the getgo.
@@siimkivisild2251 I completely agree with you.
@@bobobluedog I know , i was just saying that i can respect YOUR opinion but I don't agree with it. I wasn't trying to say that your oppninion was less popular or that people liked the movie.
+Sicivi Shoelace sorry to say, but your opinion is mediocre then. The trilogy was nothing more than flashing lights, good effects and pandering bait. It wasn't original, it wasn't a good story even if it was and it wasn't even consistent. We live in an era of mediocrity, where these half-assed poorly written stories always get a pass from a fairly large group of people, for reasons I just don't get. They are NOT good movies, why did you enjoy them. Please, I genuinely don't understand. Was it because you found them "progressive"? The impressive lights? Because you're simply new to the film scene, and your bar hasn't been raised that much yet? Why.
Quarantine hasn't allowed Eckhart is replace his filter recently, hes going all out on the Sequel Trilogy.
I still prefer the Suncrusher, able to ingnite supernovas, you can take out solar systems and fleets
I like the head cannon i had where it was eating stars to basically fire a concentrated solar flare through hyperspace. To move it didnt have thrusters but it had a massive hyperspace engine, so it would just jump from point to point.
Rip and tear the Sequel Trilogy apart until it’s done! Btw I still love Star Wars.
If the sequel trilogy makes anyone stop being a fan, then they weren't a fan to begin with.
NameyNameName I’m still a fan of Star Wars you moron. Just because your a fan of a franchise doesn’t mean you have to love everything about the franchise you can dislike or hate some parts about the franchise for an example I hate the Sequel Trilogy but I love the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, the old republic era etc.
I love your videos and watching them put this 24 hours by now what no I’m talking
well seeing as the damn thing blew up i'd say it having any power at this point would be overpowered but thats just me
Ah, so it's Disney canon eating itself alive again whilst stealing a thing from the Voltron reboot prior to _that_ show crashing and burning in truly spectacular fashion.
I feel sad knowing that ilum was StarKiller base and it got destroyed 😔
I don't see how it can be Ilum. Ilum was already destroyed in the Ahsoka novel. But according to that novel Ilum was basically cracked to the core, and molten magma was pouring up to the surface as i understand it. It was apparently completely drained of all its resources, and yet the First Order was still using Starkiller Base as a source of income. A bit of a contradiction there.
@@onlypeaceindeath Its confirmed its Ilum The First order converted it to Stsrkiller base
@@TeezoTarantino I hate this new canon when they can't even keep it consistent.
Besides, Starkiller Base doesn't look like Ilum. In Star Wars the Clone Wars, Ilum was covered in glacier, ice shelves and crystaline formations, and partly covered in water, while Starkiller Base is mostly covered in snow, rocky mountain formations and forests.
'Starkiller was powered by Quintessence' *now picturing Voltron in the Star Wars universe
#AskEck
Can The Star Wars Universe Survive an Invasion of The Aliens and Predators from the Alien and Predator Movies?
The predators don't have a navy, and seemingly don't have much incentive to conquer the galaxy. They'd probably just set up shop on a few backwaters and do what they do.
The Xenomorphs really aren't an existential threat to anyone. Sure they can do pretty impressive damage when in an isolated colony with plenty of duct-work, but with no technology their capability to do anything civilization-threatening is non-existent.
Callumunga agree on the Predators, disagree about the aliens. Predators would rather have a good old time hunting difficult prey and the Star Wars galaxy has enough to keep them occupied for fricking eternity.
Aliens on the other hand have shown a tendency towards being outright malicious. Give them enough room and they’ll spread like wildfire. That being said I doubt they’d go unnoticed and that the galactic powers wouldn’t do something to contain or outright extinct them. One person infected on a ship that makes it to orbit is enough to cause all kinds of problems. Plus we know the Queen is smart as shit, no reason to believe she couldn’t adapt to flying a ship or birth a baby to do it for her.
Disney owns ALIEN and Predator too, so I guess we can expect a crossover, lol!
It’s like they’re trying to fit some many different ideas together despite them seemingly contradicting one another
Lol “small big rip” just goes to show how little Disney cares to make anything actually make sense and not contradict themselves.
A careful combination of both.
Also, I remember commenting about Hyperspace being a Technologically based form of an alternate state of being/matter. Thus, as the beam(s) travel, they have no choice but to be visible, unlike ships who do travel…
I've said it many times before: the sequels are sooo frustrating. I want to love them, but I just can't
Same
I remember watching The Force Awakens and The last Jedi for the first time in theaters and not see any kind of problems, only when I saw all those movie reviews and just people complaining and making long lists of nitpicks
then when I went to watch the rise of Skywalker and I just couldn't take it, I saw too many problems
my brain was polluted by the people and the movie reviews lol
ImperialFzorn Thefinal The main thing isn’t all of the little flaws people point out, no Star Wars fans actually care about that. Star Wars has never really had the best acting or best special effects. The main thing the original trilogy and prequels to a certain extent had the the sequels don’t is heart. The sequels were cash cows first, and good movies second. There wasn’t any story it really wanted to tell. Not a hero’s journey like the original trilogy, a story of rebellion by a group of scrappy militia against a massive galaxy spanning empire. Nor social commentary about the start of oppressive regimes like the prequels and how they rationalized the creation of the Galactic Empire. We don’t even get many good character moments like Anakin and Obi-wan’s fight on Mustafar, or the entirety of the Clone Wars. The sequels butchered decades of lore and character building for money, that’s why most people hate them so much
Einstien And Enfield exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
ImperialFzorn Thefinal I had the same experience
Idea for a novel Star Wars superweapon: a device that doesn’t blow up a planet, but instead uses the dark side to torture it’s entire sapient population to death
But I like the concept of Starkiller actually killing a star to charge itself.
Glad they gave Starkiller Base a better explanation off screen, though there was the Gree dark matter device from Legends that caused black holes, it was a neat weird new idea though I would take the Galaxy Gun instead
TFA really could’ve kicked off a great trilogy..
It takes more effort and writing to invent an explanation then was put into making the actual movies themselves. I remember coming up with a whole explanation behind the Holdo maneuver that even explained why nobody ever used it before now against say the Deathstar. it's exhausting patching the holes those three movies tore into the universe.
I know that Starkiller base is overpowerd and just a boring ripoff of the Death Star but i actually like the weapon.
You know your in-universe lore is really *flipping* broken when your novelists have to contradict what you see on screen to make it believable.
First (: oh I'm actually second lol
Very polite of you to not state the weight of Mrs. Octuptara! I appreciate that
They Should Make Canon “Kids Star Wars Storyline” And Make Legends “Mature Storyline”
The first two death stars didn't work out too well, so let's try it again.
did eck say quintessence? skeksis want quintessence! come come eck, sit in chair, look at my crystal... yes, yes!
Nicholl-Dyson Beam for the win
I remember in Stargate SG1 a race so advanced used captured energy and gravity to power there ships so this reminds of that a bit!! Lol
Best outro ever. Those eyes ...
I think one way to reconcile the lore is simply that Starkiller base used a massive tractor-beam like mechanism to draw in the quintessence, and as a side effect it also tore at the star's plasma. Done over a longer period of time Starkiller may have been able to collect enough energy without drawing too much on the star itself, but episode seven kind of implies that the actual attack on the hosnian system was accelerated so they may have just gone all in to get it done fast.
I thought the way Starkiller worked was it was a hyperspace window generator (similar to Hyperwave, the FTL communications in Star Wars), rather than compressing space around the ship allowing it to reach near lightspeed then with baryonic technobabble was able to access the alternate universe of hyperspace, these create a narrow corridor of heavily compressed space between two star systems (and then the message may be forwarded on to another system via a switchboard). Starkiller drew plasma from the sun (and our Sun is 1.3m times the size of Earth so plenty of ammunition) temporarily compressed it and accelerated it into effectively a Laser Plasma Acceleration within the planets core then fired it through a hyperspace window at the target.
I feel like if this story were spread over 3 episodes and were a bit more evolved, then it sequels would become much better. It's not a bad concept, turning a planet into a moving fortress instead of building one from scratch!
In Rebels they show that Starkiller base does Indeed consume the star. When Caz and Poe arrive in a system that starkiller was tested the star has completely vanished and the planets have started to freeze from the lack of solar heat.
After playing Fallen order and watching TFA I just realised that awesome jedi temple on ilum'starkiller base' was completely obliterated without anyone batting an eye . New canon consistency is kriff.
Starkiller base it was big it was stupidly over-powered but finally it got blown up by rebels
The Suncrusher was also able to destroy star systems by causing a star to become a supernova. It's armor was so tough that nothing could penetrate it, not even a direct shot from the Death Star super laser.
Good vid eck